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The Bolt Report | 9 September · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Keeps the reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight another disgusting protest by pro Palestinian supporters, with even
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  Speaker 2: buskers attacked.
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  Speaker 3: I was hitting the face with a steel pole.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't do anything, but the protests seemed to be working.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you about the extraordinary grants the Abenezy government
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  Speaker 2: is now handing out to young Palestinians. Meanwhile, the government
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  Speaker 2: is panicking after another bad poll, getting its national president
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  Speaker 2: to now abuse the Reserve Bank for allegedly causing the
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  Speaker 2: constantiving crisis. That's actually more the government's fault.
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  Speaker 4: The Reserve Bank is simply punching itself in the face.
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  Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister keeps posing as a fan of
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  Speaker 2: one AFL team after another again on the weekend. But
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  Speaker 2: it's not fooling the fans.
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  Speaker 5: Well, because I feel like the Prime Minister this was
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  Speaker 5: for the good of himself.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty more coming up, including shocking findings on suicides by
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  Speaker 2: our serviceman. But first today, a perfect example a metaphor
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  Speaker 2: for the decline of Australia made disastrously worse by this
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  Speaker 2: Albanza government, is a story that helps explain how after
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  Speaker 2: years of getting richer Australians under this government are getting
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  Speaker 2: poorer per person and fast. Today the ABC actually raised
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  Speaker 2: the alarm. The poorest of the poor had just had
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  Speaker 2: a house in their town camp destroyed up in the
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  Speaker 2: Northern Territories Kacadou Park. But let's track back a couple
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  Speaker 2: of months ago. Promise Anthony Albanize, he showed he just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't get that wealth has to be created if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to spend it on your woke causes. He decided
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  Speaker 2: to ban mining or the massive uranium deposit up in
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  Speaker 2: the Kakadu National Park in Jabaluca, one that would jobs
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  Speaker 2: and royalties for local Aborigines.
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  Speaker 6: Especially today, I'm proud to announce that our government will
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  Speaker 6: be working with the traditional owners to make Jabaluka part
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  Speaker 6: of Kakadir National Park once and for all. This means
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  Speaker 6: they will never be mining at Jabaluka.
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  Speaker 2: Now, before Albanize he made that extraordinary call. He discussed
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  Speaker 2: that with Peter Garrett, the midad Or rocker and anti
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  Speaker 2: uranium hysteric, someone who's had Albanesia real fanboy dancing through
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  Speaker 2: his anti nuclear tune at midnight all concerts. But the
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  Speaker 2: head of the company that actually owned that mining lease
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  Speaker 2: Era got only ten minutes of FaceTime with the Resources
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  Speaker 2: Minister ahead of this decision to destroy its one big asset.
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  Speaker 2: Thera is now suing the government.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: The company says it still hasn't got to copy the
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  Speaker 2: government's advice and mine should be banned. It's apparently as
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  Speaker 2: secret as the secret Aboriginal business that Environment Ministerstania Pleivasek
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  Speaker 2: relied on to last month effectively cancel of un billion
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  Speaker 2: dollar gold mine in New South Wales. Now, it's true
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  Speaker 2: the traditional owners at Kakadu are very happy that this
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  Speaker 2: uranium mine nearby is now banned. But who they expect
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  Speaker 2: will now pay for everything that they want? Where do
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  Speaker 2: they think the country's wealth comes from? Shouldn't they do
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  Speaker 2: their bit to help earn it now? I've wondered about
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  Speaker 2: that since learning many years ago that the Crocodile Hotel
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  Speaker 2: at Kakadoo, owned by these Mirror traditional owners had only
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  Speaker 2: one Aboriginal worker. Even the digitidoo player back then was white.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's no change, of course, but I note
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  Speaker 2: that the head of the mirror Gunjmi Aboriginal corporation that
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  Speaker 2: helps run the area is a Dutch woman and the
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  Speaker 2: corporation's chief executive for the main town of Jabaru isn't
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  Speaker 2: mirror either. And now this corporation is pulling down houses
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  Speaker 2: of a town camp occupied by non Mirror Aborigines out
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  Speaker 2: of the area who came to Jabborou years ago for
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  Speaker 2: work when the range of uranium was running. It's now
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  Speaker 2: closed as well now they're Spokesman Kevin Bulavana says. The
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  Speaker 2: forty or so town camp residents who still live in
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  Speaker 2: the eleven remaining houses also this's for demolition. Don't want
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  Speaker 2: to move. It's home for them and they don't have
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  Speaker 2: anywhere else to go to. But that local Aberaginal corporation
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  Speaker 2: is that all the houses are safe. They're in bad condition.
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  Speaker 2: They've got to go anywhay to make way for a
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  Speaker 2: new road to take tourists to the Kakadu Park through
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  Speaker 2: Jabaluka this time and not around it with the uranium
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  Speaker 2: mining band.
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  Speaker 7: You see.
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  Speaker 2: They want to make Jabaluka now a tourism center, which
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  Speaker 2: is all very good. But again I ask who is paying.
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  Speaker 1: For all this?
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  Speaker 2: With uranium mines now closed or banned, and some of
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  Speaker 2: the parks attractions often close for cultural reasons, well, guess
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  Speaker 2: who does pay? It's again money from the clouds. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the operators of the old Ranger uranium mine that was
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  Speaker 2: near the town. They're going to pay for renovating one
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  Speaker 2: hundred old worker houses in Jabbaru. You see what good
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  Speaker 2: a uranium mind can do. But without mine now closed,
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  Speaker 2: they'll soon pack up and go away, which leaves the
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  Speaker 2: Northern Territory government already up to its neck in debt frighteningly.
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  Speaker 2: So it's now going to have to spend one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and thirty five million dollars to make Jabaru a tourist
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  Speaker 2: town instead. And of course taxpayers are still in the
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  Speaker 2: hook for the roads, the housing and the welfare.
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  Speaker 7: So how is it all going to be funded? Certainly
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  Speaker 7: not by uranium mining now.
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  Speaker 2: The government's just killed off a huge energy source for
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  Speaker 2: the country as well, by the way, and the mining
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  Speaker 2: company RA is now so short of cash that it's
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  Speaker 2: desperately trying to raise more than two hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 2: just to stay in business. All this stinks of incompetence
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  Speaker 2: and woke dreaming. And as always, it's the poorest of
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  Speaker 2: the poor who must pay when a government and a
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  Speaker 2: people forget what it takes, what it takes to build
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  Speaker 2: a country's wealth. The Oublizy government is really panicking now,
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  Speaker 2: with another poll showing that if it does win the
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  Speaker 2: next election, it'll be only just it'll lead the support
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  Speaker 2: from the Greens and left wing teals. The cost of
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  Speaker 2: living crisis is what's really hurting it. So last week
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  Speaker 2: Treasured Jim Charmers, as we discussed last week, blame the
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  Speaker 2: Reserve Bank for that for smashing the economy of high
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  Speaker 2: interest rates, was really just cleaning up the mess call
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  Speaker 2: both caused by too much spending and too much inflation.
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  Speaker 2: And on Friday his friend and mentor, Wayne Swan, the
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  Speaker 2: Labor President and former Treasurer, turned on the abuse of
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  Speaker 2: the bank.
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  Speaker 4: The Reserve Bank is simply punching itself in the face.
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  Speaker 4: The Reserve Bank is putting economic dogma over rational economic
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  Speaker 4: decision making, Hammering households, hammering mums and dads with higher rates,
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  Speaker 4: causing a collapse in spending and driving the economy backwards
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  Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily deal with the principal pushes when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to higher inflation.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Michael Kroger from a Victorian Liberal Party president,
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  Speaker 2: and Steve Conroy, former Labor senator and Cabinet minister.
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  Speaker 7: Michael.
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  Speaker 2: This seems to me very much a tag team effort,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it. Charmers and his friend Wayne Swann to blame
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  Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank and force it to cut rates and
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  Speaker 2: the election to save Labour's skin.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I've been saying for weeks. And Stephen Conroy,
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  Speaker 8: our friend here tonight, he's in on it too. It's
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  Speaker 8: all about blaming the Reserve Bank and to take pressure
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  Speaker 8: off the government. But what's going on here. Let's be
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  Speaker 8: framed by what's going on here. This government's in serious
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  Speaker 8: trouble and Andrew they're doing anything they can to blame
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  Speaker 8: somebody else. And by the way, they're in trouble before
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  Speaker 8: they make it announcement in New Course, and that announcement
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  Speaker 8: is that Labour are going to preference the Greens at
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  Speaker 8: the next city election ahead of the Liberal National Parties
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  Speaker 8: in every seat. That's what they're going to do. Albanize
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  Speaker 8: is going to preference the Greens. He's saying to the
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  Speaker 8: Australian public our views. What does that mean? It means
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  Speaker 8: he's saying our views are closer to the Greens than
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  Speaker 8: they are to the Coalition. So that hasn't been publicized.
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  Speaker 8: The Labor will try and keep it under the carpet.
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  Speaker 8: But that's what they're going to do. So every Jewish
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  Speaker 8: person out there in this country, every moderate labor, blue
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  Speaker 8: collar labor voter, has got to know this Prime Minister
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  Speaker 8: thinks you should preference the Greens. And they're going to
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  Speaker 8: preference the Greens in the seat of McNamara where Josh
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  Speaker 8: Burns's Jewish Labor member, and they're going to ask Jewish
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  Speaker 8: voters in Macnamara to preference the Greens against the Coalition.
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  Speaker 8: So if he thinks he's in trouble now, once that
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  Speaker 8: becomes public, he's going to be in more trouble.
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  Speaker 7: Andrew Steve Conroy, is this true?
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  Speaker 2: Surely Labor now must be thinking policy of giving preferences
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  Speaker 2: to the Greens after what they've done John voters of Australia,
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  Speaker 2: after what they've done to wealth creation in this country.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not taking my hot tips on what Labour's prefacing strategy.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to be from the.
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  Speaker 9: Former you know that's what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 8: You know that's what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I agree.
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  Speaker 9: The word Michael said, and Michael's in no position at
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  Speaker 9: all to give judgment on this.
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  Speaker 1: But if we come back to the question you asked, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: you are with a reserve You're in a reserve bank.
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  Speaker 1: You know the reserve bank.
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  Speaker 9: And look, Andrew, you know I have been focused on
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  Speaker 9: the reserve banks mismanagement of monetary policy for well every year,
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  Speaker 9: long before Michelle Bullok took over, when Phil Lowe.
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  Speaker 1: Was still in charge. They have fundamentally.
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  Speaker 7: But can you go back to their modeling to deal
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  Speaker 7: with this.
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  Speaker 2: You are in a position to you are in the
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  Speaker 2: position tonight I've left.
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  Speaker 1: Is it truth? Okay? Is it true or not? And look,
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  Speaker 1: I am a feather duster when you're running.
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  Speaker 8: You're running the show down here with your mate Miles
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  Speaker 8: and whatever you pick. Look, I appreciate. Are you going
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  Speaker 8: to preference? Will you give a commitment tonight?
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  Speaker 9: I'm not on the ALP National executive, which makes when
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  Speaker 9: you give that commissions. I'm not a member of the
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  Speaker 9: national executive. Michael, you know it, keep shouting and you
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  Speaker 9: know my views on this, Michael, you know my views
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  Speaker 9: on the Greens filth, how they are a disgrace, anti Semitic,
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  Speaker 9: The Greens Party have a lot to answer forth going
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  Speaker 9: on to give them prefer streets of the streets of Melbourne,
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  Speaker 9: on the streets of Sydney, and the Greens are responsible
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  Speaker 9: whipping up disgrace or anti semitism, and that is just
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  Speaker 9: on the record.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to prefer absolutely a.
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  Speaker 7: Fasty that is well said.
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  Speaker 2: We can have a Stephen Conroy that is really well said.
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  Speaker 2: You call them filth, you call them anti Semitic, and
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  Speaker 2: you're going to say that Labour should of course not
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  Speaker 2: support filth and anti semitism.
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  Speaker 9: Correct, Well, I think Labor will have to balance the
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  Speaker 9: position of the Greens on this and many other issues
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  Speaker 9: with the position of them anti semitical part Let's give
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  Speaker 9: them assurances they should I mean no, let's absolutely Labor
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  Speaker 9: should consider this well.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm a feather duster too, but I can tell
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  Speaker 8: you this. I'm not running the show, but I can
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  Speaker 8: tell you the Liberal Party and the National Party will
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  Speaker 8: be putting the ALP ahead of the Greens in every.
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  Speaker 1: One of one hundred field. That's great. If you personally,
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 9: If you hadn't personally been in charge of putting Adam
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  Speaker 9: Bant ahead of the Labour candidate in Melbourne, all those.
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  Speaker 8: Years ago you did two thousand involved then.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, you did it and you look for Adam Vanned
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  Speaker 9: the rock in Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: It was a shocking diss all those years ago.
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  Speaker 9: It was liberal preferences and you've also preferenced the Greens
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  Speaker 9: I think the last couple of elections ahead of Labor
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  Speaker 9: here in Victoria. So don't try and put on fake
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  Speaker 9: outrage to me, the Liberal Party in Victoria have been
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  Speaker 9: prefacing Greens out of Labor.
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  Speaker 8: They were wrong, and not that the other time, but under.
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  Speaker 9: The blast state election preference Green.
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  Speaker 8: But Richard Dida Tari there was a moment where the
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  Speaker 8: Greens on fral becoming becoming more mains.
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  Speaker 1: It was never my view.
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  Speaker 7: But now interrupted.
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  Speaker 1: An extreme march.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen can interrupt. There's too much over talking. Can I
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  Speaker 2: just say you've you've called them filth, you call them
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitic, and you were quite correct. I come here
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  Speaker 2: to this debate with clean hands. You were quite correct
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  Speaker 2: to call out the Liberals for having preferenced the Greens
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  Speaker 2: in the past. I said then it was a disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: I repeat it now. It's even a bigger disgrace because
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  Speaker 2: the Greens have got, if anything, more radical. Given that,
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  Speaker 2: given that you say the Liberals are wrong to preference them,
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  Speaker 2: then given you say their filth and anti Semitic, Now
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  Speaker 2: isn't it a terrible moral error for Labor to preference
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  Speaker 2: the Greens?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think Labor has to have a good hard
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  Speaker 9: look at this issue over the next six months before
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  Speaker 9: they make the decision. But I think they need to
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  Speaker 9: weigh up the Greens behavior, the Greens attitude. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: the Greens themselves are splitting over this issue. So I
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  Speaker 9: think there is a legitimate argument that we had inside labor.
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  Speaker 9: What do you think that about? What is going to do? Personally?
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  Speaker 9: Think that your opinion, my opinion, My opinion is not
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  Speaker 9: relevant to the discussions that will take place.
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  Speaker 1: I am you're a power brochure. What do you think?
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  Speaker 8: What do you think they should do?
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  Speaker 7: Let's move on. I'm not going to get a straight answer.
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  Speaker 7: Let's move on.
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  Speaker 2: But can I ask Michael I went through the spit
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  Speaker 2: about the canceling of a uranium mine, the Jabluka one
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  Speaker 2: by Albanesi after a discussion with Peter Garrett, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell you know? Peter Garrett, I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: do you think is going to say? What's a rocker
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  Speaker 2: got to do with it?
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  Speaker 7: Anyway?
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  Speaker 2: Then there's the one billion dollar gold mine. It's just
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  Speaker 2: canceled because of secret aboriginal business. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 2: becoming a really weird habit. Given how poor Australians are getting.
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  Speaker 2: We can't afford this.
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  Speaker 1: No, of course not.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, this is what happens when labor politicians
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  Speaker 8: bow down to and are overly influenced by hard left activists.
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  Speaker 8: And that's what happens. Albanize, who've influenced the Voice the
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  Speaker 8: best example of all. You know, hard left activists took
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  Speaker 8: him under his under their wing. He he bowed down
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  Speaker 8: and agreed with them, put this extreme proposition to the country.
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  Speaker 1: If he listened to talking about.
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  Speaker 8: Average voices, talking about mining, he might have he might
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  Speaker 8: have got somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Mind Albaniz, he gives in all the day long to
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  Speaker 1: the hard left activists.
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  Speaker 8: And that's why that's why the middle Australia, the working
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  Speaker 8: middle class Fanning minds, Michael, Yeah, Banning minds, Yeah, promoting
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  Speaker 8: racial division in this country. Yeah, anti Semitism, it goes
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  Speaker 8: on and on and on. This bloke is not for
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  Speaker 8: middle Australia. He's not for the working.
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  Speaker 1: Middle class, right, the banning minds. Yeah, we know about that.
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  Speaker 1: Conversation about that that Andrew gart.
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  Speaker 8: The nineteen seventies is back again with the known ywigs
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  Speaker 8: party and stopping the gold mining news was on spurious grounds.
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  Speaker 1: This is what happens, Michael.
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  Speaker 9: He's not answer like an answer to your question, Andrew
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  Speaker 9: mppy to answer your question. So let's look clear. Tanya
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  Speaker 9: follows the law. Okay, Tanya has in the not in
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  Speaker 9: the last twelve months, approved a number of minds. You
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  Speaker 9: just don't want to mention the fact she's approved a
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  Speaker 9: bunch of minds over the last twelve months. Just look
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  Speaker 9: it up Google, close the whole ende. Tanya has done it.
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  Speaker 2: Object to this particular industry.
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  Speaker 9: But what she has to do, what she has to
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  Speaker 9: do is actually follow the law.
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  Speaker 1: She has followed the law and approved. The law does
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  Speaker 1: not say you must.
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  Speaker 2: Because some people claiming to be Aboriginal, claiming to be Fortunately,
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  Speaker 2: the traditional earners say we don't like it. When the
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  Speaker 2: traditional owners say we don't have an objection, that is
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  Speaker 2: up to her.
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  Speaker 7: That's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's not in the law. That's on her. Michael Kroegers,
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy, thank you both.
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  Speaker 7: For your time.
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  Speaker 2: Listen our EVE Safety Commissioner. I've been worried about this
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  Speaker 2: person for a long time. She's now at war again
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  Speaker 2: with Twitter or now it's called X since you must
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  Speaker 2: look it over, and at war again with free speech.
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  Speaker 2: Julie Inmanngrant has a real problem free speech. She made
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  Speaker 2: that very clear the Davis Conference three years ago.
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  Speaker 10: We have increasing polarization everywhere, and everything feels binary when
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  Speaker 10: it doesn't need to be so. I think we're going
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  Speaker 10: to have to think about a recalibration of a whole
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  Speaker 10: range of human rights that are playing out online, you know,
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  Speaker 10: from freedom of speech to the freedom you know, to
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  Speaker 10: be free from online violence.
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  Speaker 2: And as our E Safety Commissioners, she's now got real
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  Speaker 2: power to shut people up and make them argue that
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  Speaker 2: she would prefer. She's already tried to bully X into
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: taking down video of a Christian bishop in Sydney being
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: stabbed allegedly by Muslim youth, and she's also ordered to
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  Speaker 2: take down a post criticizing the appointment of Australian activists
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  Speaker 2: Teddy Cook to a World Health Organization panel. Cook identifies
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: as a man after breast removal surgery, and Immongrant said
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: the tweet that she objected to was intended to cause
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: serious harm to Cook because the mis gender is the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: complainant and implicitly equates transcendent identity with psychiatric condition. And
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: today in Mangrant's Commission was in the federal court to
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  Speaker 2: fight X yet again, because X is challenging a six
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  Speaker 2: hundred and ten thousand dollars fine that Inmongrant handed it
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  Speaker 2: for allegedly not answering questions about its policies to tackle
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  Speaker 2: child sexual abuse material online. Joining me is Reuben Kirkham,
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  Speaker 2: co founder of this free speech union. Rubn Kirkham, Thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much for your time. What is at stake
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  Speaker 2: in this court hearing and what about it concerns you?
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  Speaker 11: Well, So, this hearing is about a find that the
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  Speaker 11: Safety Commissioner has imposed upon X Corps of over six
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  Speaker 11: hundred thousand dollars for simply choosing not to give information
• 18:50
  Speaker 11: that the E Safety Commissioner has demanded. The problem is
• 18:54
  Speaker 11: that the E Safety Commissioner is being selective and here
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: they're finding but also that the commissioner is not meeting
• 18:59
  Speaker 11: us own obligations to disclose information.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Let's go to this hypocrisy that you mentioned, because it
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: does strike me she is angry at X for not
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: responding to her questions, even though it was the original
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: incarnation Twitter that didn't. But has she responded to your
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: requests about what you claim is spying by her office?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: It was monitoring social media accounts to find what people
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: were saying online about her.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Well name.
• 19:31
  Speaker 11: So we set up an online tool for people to
• 19:34
  Speaker 11: make simple freedom of information requests to the office of
• 19:38
  Speaker 11: the Safety Commissioner, And it was essentially a request saying,
• 19:42
  Speaker 11: are you collecting records on me? An answer should be
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: really simple no, you know, should take five minutes. But
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: of course they are collecting these records that they say
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: they're not collecting, so they now finding it very burdens
• 19:54
  Speaker 11: them to deal with five hundred requests directed to them
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: and another five hundred requests director to Akma, who employees
• 19:59
  Speaker 11: are the Safety Commissioner's staff. Some of the responses included
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: nearly three thousand pages of documentation about in response to
• 20:08
  Speaker 11: one person's request. Most of the time she's refusing to
• 20:13
  Speaker 11: reply at all because we gave Twitter addresses as the
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: response point, and she's saying, well, that's not appropriate, but
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: you can use a fax machine number and I'm quoting
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: fax machine. I'm not making it up. It's not a
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: turner phrase. They are suggesting X handles. We don't want
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: to use them to respond, but fax machines give us
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: a fact number. Please do Let's go back to the
• 20:38
  Speaker 11: previous century and do.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Things that way.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: They spropriate, but apparently she's got them. This is incredible,
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: all right.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: So there she is with a fax machine and a
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: quill pins and a carrier pigeons.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: The Safety Commissioner.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Right has denied your claim that she has been actually
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: spying on people.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: She's ann to Senate committee here she is have listened.
• 21:03
  Speaker 12: And we are certainly not using social listening tools like
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: meltwater to measure anything other than how e Safety's conversation
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: is being recorded.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: A number of government agencies use these tools.
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: It's a very key brand and marketing tool. There are
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: no names or searches for Australian individuals. That is deliberate misinformation.
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: Ruby Kirkham your response to that, well, I guess that
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: is what you might term misinformation. If you look at
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: a freedom of information disclosure logue on her website, go
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: and see some of the enormous responses to those requests,
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: and those are the small number she's replied to. She
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: has been collecting an enormous amount of data on ordinary
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: Australians who criticize her. That's the apparently the sole goal
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: of her monitoring. But this is not the sort of
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: e safety we're looking for in Australia. It's not the
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: sort of e safety that may, for example, have been
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: conceived in East Germany and the Soviets. Instead, it is
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: an attack on individual freedoms. You cannot have any government
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: agency collecting this sort of data and it has an
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: amazing chilling effect on people online that the government is
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: monitoring you. Yeah, sure that the minute they had not
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: worked out what to do with that data, which explains
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: why they're finding it so difficult to apply to all
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: the freedom of information requests. But they might do later.
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: And you should be very concerned that you've got an
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: office who thinks its role is to collect information about
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: how it's being perceived and criticism and then using that
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: to monitor individual citizens and their social media accounts.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, why, well, who will who's the E safety
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Commissioner to protect us from the E safety Commissioners? Thank
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: you so much for keeping an eye out for.
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: Us, thank you so much for having us.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: After the break, the American election could be over in
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: just two days time. Over for Kamala Harris as prepares
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: for a first debate with Donald Trump, who is now
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: ahead in the polls.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: There's a big chance that the.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: US presidential election that will be held in November will
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: actually be decided on Wednesday, our time, Wednesdays, when Kamala
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Harris is to stop hiding and come out to finally
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: debate Donald Trump, and just when a big poll in
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the New York Times shows Trump just the head of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: her now forty eight to forty seven, which is actually
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: terrible for Harris. At Trump's vote in this poll is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: actually higher than he got in the election he won
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and the one he lost. His supporters are in fact
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: more likely to be scared to say who they supports.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: Vote tends to be underestimated.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: And it's a national poll which includes the big states
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of California and New York, so he actually has to
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: win in the smallest states who is normally stronger. So
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: this all makes the debate very crucial. That's a redundancy crucial.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Worse for Harris is that voters seem to be seen
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: through the media hype about her. They can see if
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: she hasn't given a single real press conference since becoming
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: the candidate, and she's given just a single interview blathering
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: on the friendly CNN for just eighteen minutes of talking
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: time with a running mate and coach Tim Walls there
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to help her hold her hand almost literally.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: Nora has Harris revealed many policies at all.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So the Washington Post, for instance, of left wing paper,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: is that reporting what she's actually buying when our campaigning
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: with a post like this, Kamala Harris just bought creamy
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: pepcorn dressing, base Fox Points seasoning, Trinidad lemon garlic marinade,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Turkish seasoning, and Tuscan sun set salt free Italian seasoning.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: That's real journalism right there. Give that man a pulitzer
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and the vacuum now is being filled with clips of
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Harris talking not about foreign policy but lipstick.
• 25:13
  Speaker 13: And so I keep taking the lid off and having
• 25:15
  Speaker 13: my cup out so that I don't have that big
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: lipstick mark on the lit. So I said, can we
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: do something about the color of the lid?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Four years of that cackle in the White House joining
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: me is the country's sop Foreign Affairs Rudder. Greg Sheridan
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of The Australian Greg, this debate on Wednesday will be
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: as fatal to come of the Harris as the last
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: one was to Joe Biden. Couldn't he was not clean
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: out of the race.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be, Andrew.
• 25:46
  Speaker 14: My guess is it probably won't be, because surely she
• 25:50
  Speaker 14: will have been coached within an inch of her life
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: and prepared with you know, sixteen or twenty pretty good
• 25:56
  Speaker 14: ziggers and so forth, and she's not incognitive to client
• 26:00
  Speaker 14: in the way Biden is. I thought her CNN interview
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: was hopeless and very bad for her because it just
• 26:06
  Speaker 14: showed this inane, meandering, crazy sort of style of answering
• 26:12
  Speaker 14: she has. But she didn't laugh. She'd been told not
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: to laugh, and she had a few lines which you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: CNN and the other pro Democrat media could lap up.
• 26:25
  Speaker 14: So I guess she'll avoid disaster. That would be my guess.
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: Trump sometimes does himself a lot of harm in debates
• 26:32
  Speaker 14: as well. I think the rules are going to be
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: the same as they were last time, and that helped
• 26:36
  Speaker 14: Trump because it meant that he couldn't, you know, bluster
• 26:40
  Speaker 14: over the top of Biden. And he let Biden kill
• 26:43
  Speaker 14: himself with his terrible answers. And the best chance this
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: time for Trump, I think, is if Harris just meanders
• 26:53
  Speaker 14: on or does get one of her laughing fits. It
• 26:56
  Speaker 14: is strange how all senior American politicians have developed traits
• 27:00
  Speaker 14: of personality which make them look like raving lunatics on air.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: That's true too. Are the poles? What do you make
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: of them?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: I think what they're showing us is that it's a
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: dead heat. It's very hard to analyze. It looks like
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: Harris had her pole bounce, her convention bounce before the convention,
• 27:25
  Speaker 14: and the bounces dissipating. It's hard to know whether the
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: New York Times Siena pole is an outlier or is
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: the beginning of a trend back to Trump. It's a
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: fascinating pole, but I couldn't quite follow it because it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 14: still had Harris ahead in the battleground states but Trump
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: ahead overall, which means he must be winning the Republican
• 27:47
  Speaker 14: states by a million miles, because, as you point out,
• 27:50
  Speaker 14: it would factor in California and New York as well,
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: where he'll be losing by a million miles. Trump should
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: win on the issues. Harris has a lot more money,
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: and she's scheduled to outspend him in the last two
• 28:05
  Speaker 14: weeks of the campaign by more than three to one.
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: So I think this is a desperately close race. And
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: everything so far has been unpredicted, and I guess we'll
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: have plenty of unpredictable stuff still to.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Come back home.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: A Royal Commission into Suicide of Veterans has handed down
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: its report to greg after three years of investigation. Look,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: no matter how often you hear these sorts of figures,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the findings are stunning. Says that over the past quarter
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of a century we've had sixteen hundred and seventy seven
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: serving and ext serving defense personnel died by suicide. That's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: in fact, more than twenty times more than died in
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: active duty in that period. But the Royal Commission chief
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: says that's not new, it's just ignored.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: Here is failure and leadership.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: What is clear from some of the horrible stories that
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: we've heard is that many people simply turn the blight
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: up blind eye over many years and felt it was
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: too hard greed. This is an indictment of the Defense
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Force and of many governments on both sides.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Isn't it. Yeah, I think it is, Andrew. It's a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: terrible tragedy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 14: People go into the defense force because of a love
• 29:18
  Speaker 14: of service and a love of country, and they don't
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: commit suicide.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Generally while they're in uniform.
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: But it seems that the point of separation is a
• 29:29
  Speaker 14: terrible thing for them. They go from a very close
• 29:33
  Speaker 14: family and an existential purpose to being cut adrift. And
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: of course if they are unwell, the defense bureaucracy is
• 29:41
  Speaker 14: a nightmare to deal with. I mean, I just deal
• 29:43
  Speaker 14: with it as a journalist, and it's a complete nightmare
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: if you were depending on it for your wellness and
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: so on. I don't want to make any sort of
• 29:54
  Speaker 14: cheap political point out of this, but I do think
• 29:56
  Speaker 14: we have a problem with the way we regard defense
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: and service. The recruitment adds are terrible. They're all about
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: self realization. Defense is not about self realization. It's about
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: sacrifice and duty. We're not a culture that really values
• 30:12
  Speaker 14: sacrifice and duty. Also, our soldiers are warriors. They have
• 30:16
  Speaker 14: to be warriors, and yet we're a culture that says
• 30:19
  Speaker 14: there's something wicked about being warriors. But I don't claim
• 30:24
  Speaker 14: for a second to have the answers. I just think
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: we need to be open to any ex serviceman who
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: is who is experiencing trouble, and we want them to
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: be able to find a helping hand.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right in the cultural issue in
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: America as much it should be, probably is a bit
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: easier for veterans because they're honored, admired, thank you for
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: your service, all that kind of thing wherever they go,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and so they don't lose that sense of being someone,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: which you might get here just quickly, Greg, you did
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a fine piece on the weekend, or this big submarines steel.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: A hell of a lot of money is costing us.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: It's got to come from somewhere. Unfortunately, it seems to
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: be coming from the rest of the military.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: The Albaniza government is killing our military in order to
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: pay for UCUS because it won't increase the budget. So
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: you can have August, or you can have a credible
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: defense force, or you can have the current budget. You
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: can have any two, you can't have all three. So
• 31:25
  Speaker 14: we're getting ORCUS and the current budget, which means we're
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: killing everything else in defense. The list of canceled and
• 31:33
  Speaker 14: endlessly delayed capabilities is shocking. And of course even under
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: UCUS we only get the eight submarines by the mid
• 31:41
  Speaker 14: twenty fifties. And if you've got eight submarines, that means
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: that the best you've got two or three reliably in service.
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: They're not a strategic game changer themselves, even though I
• 31:51
  Speaker 14: support them. Better nuclear submarines are more powerful and conventional.
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: But it is one of the greatest unremarked scandals of
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: our time. And I don't think the opposition make enough
• 32:00
  Speaker 14: of this, what the Albanese government is doing to reduce
• 32:04
  Speaker 14: our defense capability while it shields itself. With all the
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: happy talk about ORCUS, which is all off in the distance,
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: and the happy talk about cooperation with the Biden administration.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: It's weird, isn't it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: We can't have nuclear power stations, they say, because they
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: won't be here for another fifteen years, but we can
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: have nuclear submarines, which, as you say, you know most
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of them won't be here for another twenty thirty years. Anyway,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: there you go sort that out. After the Thank you
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: very much for your time, Greg, I really appreciate it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: After the break another nasty pro Palestine protests, but I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: have to say they seem to be working. Just look
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: at the millions the Ovenizi governments just promised. The young
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Palestine mist runs to another ugly pro Palestine protests yesterday.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: You know, to me, these protests don't prove israelis war criminals.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Judging by many of the protests, most sympathy is Israel.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: And I wonder why the Galbanese governments are now spending
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars of your money pandering to these protesters. Now,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: yesterday in Red Melbourne there was another protest for Palestine
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that weighed so much of police time. Some protesters even
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: monster a couple of busters in Burke Street Mall, leading
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to a fight with police in about three thousand dollars
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: damage to the buses, violins and other equipment and a
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: bruise or two.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I was hitting the face with a steel pole. Who
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: he didn't do anything?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Now, if that was outrageous, so's the Albaniza governms Lad's
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: response to the anger of Muslims and Palestinians. Here the
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: governors sneaked out an offer of cash to them. That
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: shows exactly what's wrong with this multiculturalism and exactly what's
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: so dangerous when the government imports Palestinians from terrace around
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Gaza without even an interview. Now, this press release from
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the system Minister of Immigration says the government wants to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: help Muslims affected by the war in Gaza and build
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and I quote social cohesion. So they say they'll spend
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: first of all, two point four million dollars to community
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: services that support young Australian Muslims to make connections and
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to tackle division, prejudice, prejudice and hate. But I wonder
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: whose hate it really means. I mean, is it the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: hate that had just showed you from those protesters. Are
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: we spending millions and young Muslims something getting angry and
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: causing harm? That has to be a worry. Why do
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: we import immigrants that we're now that's scared of. We
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: certainly don't seem to be needing grant slate this to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: stop Jews getting angry or Hindus. The Obities government is
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: also giving another two point six million dollars specifically to
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: help Palestinians build connections here to lower the hate. And
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: here's the crazy thing, the multicultural idiocy. None of the
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: grants go to groups dedicated to actually assimilating Palestinians into
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Australia's mainstream culture. The opposite of the four groups eligible
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: for these millions is Palaestinin Community of Western Australia, which
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: says it aims to keep the connection to culture and
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: tradition of Palestine Australians. It's advertised the protest against the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: government of behalf, it says of the political Intifada. Also
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: in line for funding is the Palastinian That Australia Relief
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and Action Foundation, which declares we live and work on
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: stolen land, Thanks very much.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: And a third is called Glimmer of Hope.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: That's a Palestinian group that says it is dedicated to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: providing cultural services to the Palestinian community of South Australia,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: which includes yearly mourning of the quote continued Palestinian.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: Catastrophe at the hands of Israel. Join me.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Daniel Wild, Deputy Executive director of its Due of Public Affairs.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Stephen Travura, an author and senior lecture and history a
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Campion College. Daniel grants like these they don't they look
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: like paying off Muslim groups rather than lowering the hate.
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: Well, they certainly do. Andrew, and I think this goes
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: to the Balkanization of Australian society that we're more divided
• 36:09
  Speaker 15: than we ever have been, I think in any time
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: since World War Two. A point that you've made often,
• 36:14
  Speaker 15: which is that we're becoming a nation of religious and
• 36:17
  Speaker 15: ethnic enclaves. We are no longer uniting around our shared values.
• 36:22
  Speaker 15: And what's worse is that the government is actively encouraging this.
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: You know, you've got the right wing of the Labor Party,
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: the left wing of the Labor Party, and then you've
• 36:31
  Speaker 15: got the Palestinian wing of the Labor Party led by
• 36:34
  Speaker 15: Tony Burke and Chris Bowen, who are terrified of losing
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: their seats in Western Sydney to potentially Muslimani political parties.
• 36:41
  Speaker 15: And now they're throwing tax payer dollars hand over fist
• 36:44
  Speaker 15: to try and solve the political problem. But this is
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: the pointy end of the failure of multiculturalism, which Whitlam
• 36:50
  Speaker 15: started in the seventies Paul Keating put on steroids. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 15: now we've got identity politics, critical race theory, which says
• 36:57
  Speaker 15: Australia is a bad racist country, political correctness which says
• 37:01
  Speaker 15: that you're not allowed to talk about this otherwise you
• 37:03
  Speaker 15: get caught to rasis. So we're terribly divided Andrew and
• 37:06
  Speaker 15: unfortunately this government is only making a bad situation much
• 37:10
  Speaker 15: much worse.
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: Stephen Java.
• 37:14
  Speaker 16: For any immigration policy to work, that is, for it
• 37:17
  Speaker 16: to be able to integrate people successfully into the pre
• 37:20
  Speaker 16: existing culture, you have to first be able to say
• 37:23
  Speaker 16: that you have a pre existing culture. And the problem
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: with the ideology of multiculturalism is that it lies and
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: says that Australia never had and does not have a
• 37:33
  Speaker 16: pre existing culture, but that our culture is multiculturalism.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Well wrong.
• 37:38
  Speaker 16: Our pre existing culture was British, was and is British
• 37:42
  Speaker 16: and Christian. And so as long as we deny that,
• 37:47
  Speaker 16: we have no grounds really by which to say, well
• 37:50
  Speaker 16: these sort of these people are probably better to bring
• 37:53
  Speaker 16: in over these people because they're more likely to assimilate
• 37:56
  Speaker 16: to the pre existing culture. This is the problem with multiculturalism.
• 38:00
  Speaker 16: It creates a problem that it cannot fix. And until
• 38:03
  Speaker 16: we get rid of the ideology of multiculturalism and say
• 38:07
  Speaker 16: this is what our pre existing culture is and this
• 38:09
  Speaker 16: is the way we do things here will never solve
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  Speaker 16: this immigration problem.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if these scrants were for girl guides or the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Scouts or oz Kick or something like that to accept
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to bring in people from different cultures. I'd say, fine,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: that's integration, but this is not. This is separation. Speaking
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: of exactly that, Daniel, we seem to have this desire
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: to split ourselves by race or trape. Last week I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: showed the Victorian Government's Aboriginal Europe Commission, supposedly truth telling Commission,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: putting three whites in the dock to say how awful
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: whites had been to our Aborigines and making claims too
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: of concentration camps and all this kind of wild stuff. Today,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: now there's been a community meeting to discuss making a
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: treaty or this is on the weekend, a treaty with
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: the people claim to represent people claim to be Aboriginal.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Now these are the people identifying as Aboriginal who are
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: on the treaty authority.
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  Speaker 1: The treaty process is now live. We're open for negotiation.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: This is all state government sponsored state government, another state
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  Speaker 2: government body. How useful is this talk of a treaty
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: which the government hopes to get underway by the end
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: of the year.
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  Speaker 15: Well, Andrew, this is an example of the crisis of
• 39:34
  Speaker 15: democracy we have in Australia. Mainstream Australians, their voice doesn't
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: count anymore. We just voted against this. Sixty percent of
• 39:41
  Speaker 15: Australians voted against the Voice And if you like the
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: trifector of Voice treaty and so called truth telling. Now
• 39:48
  Speaker 15: what is truth telling? Well, it's basically the rewriting of
• 39:50
  Speaker 15: Australian history. So it has to justify reparations payments. So
• 39:54
  Speaker 15: if you're sitting at home today and you've voted no,
• 39:56
  Speaker 15: you might be wondering, well, what's the point in voting anymore?
• 39:59
  Speaker 15: In this country? The political class just ignores the views
• 40:02
  Speaker 15: and values of mainstream Australians and it appears to be
• 40:05
  Speaker 15: the case that there's no conduit by which mainstream Australians
• 40:08
  Speaker 15: can have their values represented and implemented in the political system.
• 40:12
  Speaker 15: That's why trust and confidence in our democracy is declining rapidly.
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  Speaker 15: It was a sixty percent no vote, and don't forget
• 40:18
  Speaker 15: that wasn't just a political thing. That was Australians of
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: all kinds of backgrounds, religious, ethnic, political backgrounds. As you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 15: three quarters of federal labor seats voted no to the
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: Voice to Parliament. But the political establishment across Australia has
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: ignored that and continues with their plans to divide Australians
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: by race, either through a treaty or through other processes,
• 40:41
  Speaker 15: which are creating a two tiered racial society.
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  Speaker 7: Honestly, Stephen, I don't get it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: If you've got one of your four grandparents, is it Aboriginal,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and you choose to call yourself Aboriginal ignoring the other three.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Fine, knock yourself out.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: But basically I don't think I owe you anything, least
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: of all the treaty. I mean, if you really want something,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: go and get the three other grandparents to give something
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: to the one that's Aboriginal, if they really insist. But
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: this is becoming a self actualization frolic that's going to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: divide us.
• 41:18
  Speaker 16: Oh, absolutely divide us, but also even worse, continue to
• 41:22
  Speaker 16: be a distraction against the real problems. Every year, the
• 41:25
  Speaker 16: Federal government publishes the Closing the Gap Report, which is
• 41:30
  Speaker 16: a report detailing the disadvantages between Indigenous Australians and non
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: Indigenous Australians. From page six of the two thousand and
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: three report, that's the latest report, this is what it says.
• 41:41
  Speaker 16: It says suicides among Indigenous Australians, adult incarceration, the removal
• 41:46
  Speaker 16: of children from their parents, and the under development of
• 41:50
  Speaker 16: children are all all getting worse, that is the last report.
• 41:56
  Speaker 16: They're all getting worse. And all the other metrics that
• 41:58
  Speaker 16: the report, most of the other metrics that the report
• 42:01
  Speaker 16: talks about are either getting worse or are not on track.
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: And no one has ever explained how any of this
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: is going to be fixed or even improved by a treaty.
• 42:14
  Speaker 16: No one's ever explained that. And this is one of
• 42:16
  Speaker 16: the reasons Australian's the.
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: Voice absolutely correct. It's worse than that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: It's actually got worse under two what is it two
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: or three decades now of the so called reconciliation movement,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: which put shifts the focus through how whites supposedly feel
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: about aborigines instead of saying what can we practically do
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: to fix what's on the ground.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: A lot of it in needing.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Input and effort from averages themselves. This is the fundamental
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: problem and I don't think we're ever going to get
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: over it until we get over ourselves. Daniel Wilde and
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Steve Trevera, thank you so much for your time. After
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the break another.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, this is incredible.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albnezi switches scarfs again and again and again to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: win AFL fans, but there's been a backlash. Plus there's
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: a killing in Britain that has absolutely shocked the nation.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: What do you hear who's been arrested? Prime ministers play
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: with fara when they trying to gain votes through sport.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albneasy is actually an Inner L rabbitoz fan, but
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: it's posed as a Collingwood AFL fan and also as
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: a Swan's AFL fan. And on the weekend was at
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the Hawthorne Bulldogs game as a Hawks AFL fan.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: It's great, You're gonna fill the atmosphere right around the
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: ground to around the jay.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Was an awesome night, enjoyed.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Good on you.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: The former Richmond Great Nathan Brown wasn't buying it well.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Because I feel like the Prime minister this is for
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: the good of himself going into the Hawthorn rooms. This
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: this sickens me.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: He's had a look at the pole vote all over.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton is closing and he he's in front.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: There's a gap.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: He feels like I need to look like a common man.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go into the Hawthorne rooms. Give it up, elbow.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Now one's buying it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: But if you thought just Australian prime ministers get booed
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: at the sport. French President Emanuel Macron is now so
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: unpopular that he not only got booed a month ago
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: at the opening of the Paris Olympics, he got booed
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: again on the weekend at the end of the Paralympics.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: We can't show you the booing because of rights footage
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, but it went on for the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: best part of a minute. Joining me from London is writer,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: commentator and broadcast at is the Kraku. It is so
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: wonderful to see you again. How did d Emanuel Macron
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: become so unpopular?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Well, he it's quite an incredible feat.
• 44:45
  Speaker 17: He just happened to ignore the will of the French
• 44:47
  Speaker 17: people just that small, that small issue. And President Macran
• 44:51
  Speaker 17: has been quite unpopular basically since his election, and this
• 44:54
  Speaker 17: is not uncommon. French presidents tend to be quite unpopular.
• 44:56
  Speaker 17: I mean holand so holand had some of the lowest
• 44:59
  Speaker 17: ratings in history, which is saying something because the French,
• 45:01
  Speaker 17: generally speaking, tend to hate their presidents. But following the
• 45:05
  Speaker 17: French elections in the summer, which was sort of blatantly
• 45:10
  Speaker 17: just distorted to try and remove the influence of the
• 45:13
  Speaker 17: Front Nacierale in a way that I think is extremely undemocratic.
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: Macron has now named Michelle Barnier as the new Prime Minister,
• 45:23
  Speaker 17: who was basically Britain's antagonists during the Brexit negotiations, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 17: so the French are very confused that they've been protesting
• 45:31
  Speaker 17: as they usually do against this because they don't understand
• 45:33
  Speaker 17: why this random technocrat has been elected as or has
• 45:37
  Speaker 17: been appointed as the French Prime Minister when he.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Wasn't even elected. He's just come out of nowhere.
• 45:42
  Speaker 17: He's like a muster room or or fungus that's just
• 45:44
  Speaker 17: sprung up out of the blue. And there also are
• 45:47
  Speaker 17: the issues with his presidency as well, the fact that
• 45:50
  Speaker 17: you know, in the short space that he has left,
• 45:51
  Speaker 17: he's basically going to be a lame duck president because
• 45:53
  Speaker 17: not only is he hated by the French public, but
• 45:55
  Speaker 17: also everyone in the Senate also despises him.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Esther are going to change tech quite dramatically. I have
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: been absolutely shocked by the killing of this eighty year
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: old man in Leicester who was walking his dog when
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: he was kicked to death apparently in the throat allegedly,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: police are now arrested of all things, a boy and
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: a girl both aged just fourteen, plus another boy and
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: two girls aged twelve even younger. What does this fell you?
• 46:31
  Speaker 17: It tells us a very uncomfortable truth, which is the
• 46:33
  Speaker 17: rotting of British society. Unfortunately, incidents like this, while are
• 46:39
  Speaker 17: not common, are not becoming less common. So these kinds
• 46:43
  Speaker 17: of incidents involving young people and violence are becoming more
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: and more prevalent in the news and it's indicative of
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: major issues that we have in this country regarding how
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: children are raised, you know, the kinds of homes that
• 46:54
  Speaker 17: they come from, the lack of respect for authority. You know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 17: young people these days can are seeing people get burgled,
• 47:00
  Speaker 17: having their phones, you know, nicked, seeing people getting away
• 47:04
  Speaker 17: with petty crimes with impunity, and yet they see no
• 47:06
  Speaker 17: police presence.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: They're seeing a Prime Minister that's.
• 47:08
  Speaker 17: Calling riots due to the brutal murder, the stabbing of
• 47:13
  Speaker 17: three girls at a tailor swift dance class as just
• 47:15
  Speaker 17: sort of a congregation of racist as So, if the
• 47:18
  Speaker 17: whole country would have.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Breathed a sigh of relief, if we.
• 47:20
  Speaker 17: Found out that the person who killed those young girls
• 47:22
  Speaker 17: was a white, white British male.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's completely toned up.
• 47:25
  Speaker 17: But this is the environment that young people are growing up,
• 47:27
  Speaker 17: and they're growing up in a country where law and
• 47:29
  Speaker 17: orders seems to mean less and less.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: You know, they have very few rules.
• 47:34
  Speaker 17: Most I think over forty percent of children now are
• 47:36
  Speaker 17: growing up in single parent homes and we know that
• 47:38
  Speaker 17: the statistically that makes you more likely to go down
• 47:41
  Speaker 17: a life of crime. So it's actually indicative of rot
• 47:44
  Speaker 17: in British society, a much bigger problem than just saying
• 47:47
  Speaker 17: these are sort of bad apples and that not all
• 47:50
  Speaker 17: young people are like this. It's actually a much bigger
• 47:52
  Speaker 17: societal problem and getting to grips of it is very
• 47:54
  Speaker 17: uncomfortable because unfortunately we have to have conversations about the
• 47:57
  Speaker 17: kinds of households that are producing such young people, the
• 48:00
  Speaker 17: kinds of demographics, and what's making it more likely for
• 48:04
  Speaker 17: young people to turn to such acts of violence. If
• 48:06
  Speaker 17: you see the sort of the stabbing pandemic that we have,
• 48:08
  Speaker 17: in this epidemic that we have in this country, it's
• 48:10
  Speaker 17: mainly people under the age of twenty five.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Why is that? Why is it young people that are
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: mainly stabbing each other?
• 48:15
  Speaker 17: With impunity, even though there's so many measures to try
• 48:18
  Speaker 17: and bring down the levels of life crime in this country.
• 48:21
  Speaker 17: And that conversation is very uncomfortable to have, but it
• 48:23
  Speaker 17: has to be had or else it's just going to
• 48:25
  Speaker 17: keep getting worse and worse.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I could see all the trip wise you were
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: laying there in the sort of conversation you wanted to have.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: In this case, we won't be known, we won't be
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: told much about the background of these kids because their kids,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: and that's exactly what we do need to know. That
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the parents should be in the dock with them. It's
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: the correctly Thank you so much for your time. That's
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: it for me, coming up now, Sherry Maxon.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: Good night,