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UK Column News — 3rd July 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the third July twenty twenty sixth, just after
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Speaker 2: one o'clock. Welcome do UK Collin News. I'm your host
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Speaker 2: Mike Rominson. Joining me by video link today are Charles
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Speaker 2: Mallett and Basil Valentine. Later in the program, we're going
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Speaker 2: to be covering the pushback and Vallunteer, and we'll have
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Speaker 2: a report from Tehran by Patrick Hennison, and we will
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Speaker 2: have news of this week's remaking the State Conference, including
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Speaker 2: a very interesting speech by Darren Jones, who's Chief Secretaries
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Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister. But we're going to begin today
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Speaker 2: Charles with well people, more people being stopped at airports
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Speaker 2: under terrorism legislation.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Mike, good afternoon, Good afternoon all. Yes, indeed, find
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Speaker 3: the person, then find the reason. Now we've been talking
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Speaker 3: quite rightly a lot about the State Threats build the
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Speaker 3: National Security States Threat State Threats Bill twenty twenty six
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Speaker 3: force through Parliament at an incredible rate. This is where
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Speaker 3: we were on Wednesday, where it had just been through
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Speaker 3: its third reading in the House of Lords. Since then
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Speaker 3: it is now in its final stages consideration of amendments,
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Speaker 3: so royalassent being the next step. Now very closely related
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Speaker 3: to this, because of course it falls under the very
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Speaker 3: enlarged banner of national security. We have this element of
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Speaker 3: people being picked up at airports for all kinds of
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Speaker 3: spurious reasons. And Vanessa mentioned in passing Dan Kovlik, the
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Speaker 3: lawyer who was stopped at John Lennon International Airport and
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Speaker 3: he's put a message on X with an ironic picture
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Speaker 3: of John Lennon there by the statue of Liberty. But
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Speaker 3: he was stopped in Liverpool with anti terrorism police. He says,
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Speaker 3: concerned about my opposition to the genocide on Gaza and
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Speaker 3: the war on Iran, they seize my phone, computer fingerprints
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Speaker 3: and DNA samples. Now this is a pattern that's been
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Speaker 3: repeated many a time. And the other message that I
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Speaker 3: put out on the news on Wednesday came from Jesse
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Speaker 3: Winnie who said that he had returned from Minsk and
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Speaker 3: that he was detained at Birmingham Airport under the Counter
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Speaker 3: Terror and Border Security Acts and he also had his
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Speaker 3: phone and other belongings sees. Now, I'm pleased to say
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Speaker 3: that Jesse joins us on the news program today. Jesse
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Speaker 3: a very warm welcome to UK column. Just tell us
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Speaker 3: about what you were doing in Belarus and how you
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Speaker 3: found it there.
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much for having me.
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Speaker 5: Charles.
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Speaker 4: Well, firstly, nothing, Leal just wanted to make that very clear.
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Speaker 4: So I was invited by myself and a small delegation
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Speaker 4: of people from the Workers' Party of Britain George Galloway's
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Speaker 4: party a note to NATO, were invited to go to
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Speaker 4: Belarus for the fourth International Anti Fascist Conference. This event
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Speaker 4: is really to highlight the increasing threat of fascist ideologies,
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Speaker 4: rehabilitation of fascist legacies, particularly in Ukraine, that we see
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Speaker 4: through the resurrection of the legacy of Stepan Bandera, the
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Speaker 4: infamous Ukrainian Nazi who participated in several of the maskers
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Speaker 4: committed by the Nazis and his own men guarded the
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Speaker 4: infamous concentration camps of Europe. So it's also about restoring
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Speaker 4: our collective memory of an anti fascist struggle in the
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Speaker 4: Second World War. Alongside that, I was meeting people in Belarus, politicians,
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Speaker 4: journalists in the country, and everything we did there was
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Speaker 4: broadcast really, you know, on our social media platform, so
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Speaker 4: there was nothing shady going on, you know. I mean,
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Speaker 4: we'll talk about what happened with the police, but you know,
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Speaker 4: I surrendered my phone. I have, I had, and I
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Speaker 4: continue not to have anything to hide. I have nothing
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Speaker 4: to hide at all. So that's what I was doing there, really, Okay,
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Speaker 4: And obviously the narrative is put forward that Belarus, because
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Speaker 4: it's within the Russian orbit, is therefore to be considered
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Speaker 4: a threat or at least to intend us harm or
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Speaker 4: certainly not benevolent towards the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 3: How did you find it being in Belarus with the
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Speaker 3: Belarusian people, I.
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Speaker 4: Mean, there were nothing but friendly. I mean, that was
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Speaker 4: one tweet I had. But my next tuitet was that
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Speaker 4: actually the Belarussians know more about Shakespeare's Sonnets, that they
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Speaker 4: love the music of Dame Vera Lynn. You know, they've
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Speaker 4: read the novels of Charles Dickens. They're more pro British
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Speaker 4: than our own existing political class. They have nothing but
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Speaker 4: love for Britain, our culture. I mean, we contributed so
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Speaker 4: much to culture and the idea that Beller Russia, or
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Speaker 4: even Russia for that matter, is hostile to the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 4: It's totally divorced from the real geopolitical context that surrounds
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Speaker 4: the Ukraine War. To this day, Ussians, the Russians or
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Speaker 4: Belarussians are only hostile to us insofar as we are
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Speaker 4: hostile to our government is hostile to them. But actually
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Speaker 4: talking to people, they were very welcoming. They're very pleased
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Speaker 4: that actually there are people in the West who do
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Speaker 4: mean for peace and diplomacy, and so long as you
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Speaker 4: go to those countries with that kind of outlook, then
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Speaker 4: then they are nothing but welcoming. And it's not about
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Speaker 4: being pro Russia or pro beller Ussian. It's about being
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Speaker 4: pro Britain, because it's ordinary British men and women who
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Speaker 4: are going to be the first to die in a
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Speaker 4: full scale war against Russia and Belarus. And no sane
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Speaker 4: person in Britain wannst We're just being fed this war propaganda,
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Speaker 4: totally divorced from the facts, totally divorced from the context.
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Speaker 4: That's manufacturing consent for our government's hostile foreign policy to Russia.
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Speaker 4: And and as soon as that stops, so too will
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Speaker 4: this perception of Russi or Belarussian hostility to Britain.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think you make a very good point about
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Speaker 3: the escalation of hostility as it's perceived to be coming
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Speaker 3: from the United Kingdom. Now let's go into the detention itself,
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Speaker 3: just explain how that happened, what happened, and indeed what
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Speaker 3: the next steps are going to be for you.
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Speaker 4: Sure, So you know I've been traveling to Russia several times,
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Speaker 4: so naturally the questions that were put to me under
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Speaker 4: detention is my reasoning behind going to Russia? What political
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Speaker 4: connections I have in Russia? Who do I know in Russia?
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Speaker 4: Who do I know here? What political connections I have here?
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Speaker 4: What my views are on the Ukraine War, which I
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Speaker 4: make very clear on all my social media platforms, and
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Speaker 4: you know, even going on shows and podcasts like these,
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Speaker 4: I've got again, I've got nothing to hide. I wear
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Speaker 4: my heart and my mind on my sleeve, so people
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Speaker 4: need only ask.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 4: But it with with that that said, you know, I
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Speaker 4: am briefed on the risks of traveling to Russia and Beller,
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Speaker 4: Russia for that matter, So I always figured that being
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Speaker 4: stopped under the Terrorism Act is is going to be
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Speaker 4: a very real possibility. And I'm surprised I actually took
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Speaker 4: this long to happen, if I'm being honest, because you know,
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Speaker 4: it was George Galloway first, then it was the General
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Speaker 4: Secretary of the Workers Party of Britain the last time
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Speaker 4: he went to Beller, Russia. So you know, I knew
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Speaker 4: my my, my, my head was going to be on
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Speaker 4: the block sooner rather than later. So it came as
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Speaker 4: no surprise that I walked up to the scanners at
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Speaker 4: Birmingham Airport put my passport down to get them scanned.
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Speaker 4: It got rejected. I told me to seek help. I
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Speaker 4: was then pointed to the service desk, showed them my
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Speaker 4: passport and I got Then I got accosted by the police,
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Speaker 4: who were actually very lovely to me by the way
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Speaker 4: they were. You know, they were just normal, you know,
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Speaker 4: working class lads who are just working under orders. So
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Speaker 4: but you know, they still had to do their job.
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Speaker 4: So I was deprived of any rights to remain silent.
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Speaker 4: I wasn't free to leave, so I had them contact
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Speaker 4: my consulates. I'm so legally in Irish citizen. I was
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Speaker 4: frisked shirt search. My phone and other bits of literature
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Speaker 4: I have in my bag are still under police possession
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Speaker 4: and I was questioned for the space of four hours
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Speaker 4: and I only left the airport at ten past two
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Speaker 4: in the morning. So but it was a very fairly
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Speaker 4: quick process. I was nothing but cooperative and polite to them.
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Speaker 4: So it wasn't as painful as I've heard other experiences
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Speaker 4: to be.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So obviously we will take the positive that it
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Speaker 3: was conducted in a cordial sense. But nonetheless, the fact
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Speaker 3: that you've articulated they were just operating under orders is
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Speaker 3: clearly terribly alarming. And you were just explaining before we
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Speaker 3: went live about the what's going to happen with regard
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Speaker 3: to George Galloway's action that's in progress.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so so you know, luck, I said that they
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Speaker 4: were acting under orders of the higher up. I asked
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Speaker 4: him why I was detained. The police officer said that
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Speaker 4: even he wasn't privy to that information, that he just
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Speaker 4: got sent instructions to pull me aside and ask me
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Speaker 4: these questions that were sent to him. So it's really
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Speaker 4: the circumstances that are the most hostile aspects of it.
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Speaker 4: I wonder how the Irish government feels that one of
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Speaker 4: their citizens is being deprived of the right to remain
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Speaker 4: silent under under police detention. So we do have an
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Speaker 4: ongoing legal case as to why George Galloway was stopped.
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Speaker 4: He has his law firm in Ireland and their case
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Speaker 4: is now the scope of their case has now been
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Speaker 4: expanded to include the incident with me and why I've
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Speaker 4: been detained, because it's different people, but it's the same
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Speaker 4: circumstance that we have people like myself, George Galloway and
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Speaker 4: my other party comrades that are being detained and we're
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Speaker 4: not being told why. We're not being told what are
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Speaker 4: the factors that led to us being detained. Unfortunately, the
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Speaker 4: Terrorism Acts makes it clear that the government's under no
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Speaker 4: obligation to explain why we're being detained. They said it
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Speaker 4: needs not be arbitrary, but then gives a whole bunch
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Speaker 4: of qualifications that means, yes, it is an arbitrary It
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Speaker 4: is arbitrary detention, which is a total contradiction to human
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Speaker 4: rights as well as being deprived the right to remain silent.
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Speaker 4: You know, people charged with serious criminal convictions have more
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Speaker 4: rights than we do under the Terrorism Act. And I've
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Speaker 4: done nothing wrong. There's no evidence to say that I've
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Speaker 4: done anything wrong or illegal. You might disagree with what
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Speaker 4: I'm doing, you might disagree with my views, but I'm
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Speaker 4: not doing anything illegal. And yeah, I'm being treated not
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Speaker 4: simply like a criminal, but like a terrorist. So that's
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Speaker 4: the state at which our governments are at. What our
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Speaker 4: government is is at and that's the extent of its
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Speaker 4: respects for human rights.
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Speaker 3: Jesse, thank you very much dude for joining us, and
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Speaker 3: we wish you luck with that. I would just round
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Speaker 3: off by saying pointing back to the Labour Manifesto where
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Speaker 3: of course it was written as they were changing the
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Speaker 3: rules that Labor will take the approach use for dealing
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Speaker 3: with non state terrorism and adapt it to deal with
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Speaker 3: state based domestic security threats. This is where we are
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Speaker 3: like back to you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Charles, and thank you Jesse. We're going to
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Speaker 2: talk now, but some of the changes that are happening
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Speaker 2: with governance in this country. So let's bring this on screen.
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Speaker 2: Because rees DID is a Westminster thing tank formerly NIM Reform.
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Speaker 2: I guess the change of NIM because of the Reform Party,
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Speaker 2: but anyway, it held its flagship one day conference on
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Speaker 2: Wednesday at BT's London head office. The event described Britain
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Speaker 2: as being a broken state. It called for dismantling top
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Speaker 2: down democracies, rethinking institutions and challenging existing funding models. And
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Speaker 2: it had three main panels going the technological state, the
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Speaker 2: de centralized state, and the delivery state. Now, the keynotes
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Speaker 2: came from Darren Jones MP, whose chief Secretary to the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, and Steve Reid MP. So here's Darren Jones MP,
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Speaker 2: but also Nick Timothy MP and Reforms Danny Krueger. So
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Speaker 2: this is definitely a cross party exercise. And speakers also
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Speaker 2: included Home Office and Ministry of Justice, Permanent secretaries, representatives
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Speaker 2: from the government, Digital Services and Sovereign AI Unit Chairman
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Speaker 2: James Wise, as well as people from the private sector
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Speaker 2: including Norse Group, BT Deloitte. Now, Jones was absolutely pushing
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Speaker 2: the idea of imposing key performance indicators on the civil service,
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Speaker 2: and of course this is a brand new thing. But
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Speaker 2: I just want to highlight a few of the comments
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Speaker 2: from his keynote speech. So he spoke about the introduction
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Speaker 2: of KPIs that just said, this is something of course
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Speaker 2: of the civil service has been fighting for decades. He
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Speaker 2: spoke about Project Reset, which was aimed at removing the
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Speaker 2: protections and limitations on state access. That's my interpretation of it. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: he spoke about the breakneck speed of the introduction of
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Speaker 2: AI into government, and he spoke about the new propaganda
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Speaker 2: capability being built. This is through a new government media unit,
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Speaker 2: which is for better storytelling because it's creative content, he said,
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Speaker 2: which rebuilds trust and government nothing to do with governments
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Speaker 2: doing the things that people want. It's about people being
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Speaker 2: told that they actually want what government wants. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: he then went on to say that if the public
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Speaker 2: doesn't believe that we're making a difference, because it's because
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Speaker 2: they don't see it and will continue to lose the argument.
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Speaker 2: But he also spoke about the need for ministerial training,
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Speaker 2: in other words, make sure they don't think for themselves,
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Speaker 2: not that they ever have, but anyway that this will
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Speaker 2: guarantee that they're absolutely on the policy train. And this
14:19
Speaker 2: is going to be known as the National School. And finally,
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Speaker 2: on devolution itself, he spoke about the creation of a
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Speaker 2: proper department for the Prime Minister and the Cabinet. So
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Speaker 2: my interpretation is that, you know, devolution is not actually
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Speaker 2: going to be about part of the people. Devolution is
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Speaker 2: about the centralization of power and the ability to wield
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Speaker 2: that part at local level, and we're witnessing the tearing
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Speaker 2: up of the nation. They are there may be some
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Speaker 2: are going to be some people that celebrate that, but
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Speaker 2: the question is what will remain standing once this is
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Speaker 2: all torn down? And at this point I'm beginning to
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Speaker 2: see an AI driven smart city led an optagon which
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Speaker 2: is being guided by a dictatorship sitting in number ten. Buzzil,
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Speaker 2: just very quickly, what are your thoughts on this? And
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Speaker 2: you know, effectively we're seeing Sorry Burnham's smart city agenda
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Speaker 2: being rolled out in front of us.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Mike, And there's a big overlap here with the
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Speaker 6: likes of Peter Teal, who's invested heavily in movements that
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Speaker 6: aim to build entirely new city states from scratch. Teal
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Speaker 6: has back projects like Prospera, which is a privately operated
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Speaker 6: semi autonomous zone and charter city in Honduras that's attempting
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Speaker 6: to bypass all traditional political structures and governance, and also
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Speaker 6: an organization called Praxis, which is a proposed Internet native
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Speaker 6: network state that aims to build a ten thousand person
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Speaker 6: physical city governed by tech princes pools which read AI. Pallanteers,
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Speaker 6: Joe's Lonsdale, Sam Altman of Open Ai also involved in this.
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Speaker 6: The idea is a digital nation that will transition into
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Speaker 6: a physical city state, the goal being to establish charter
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Speaker 6: cities with special economic zones and their own legal frameworks,
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Speaker 6: minimal bureaucracy, and an accelerated technology development through AI and biotech.
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Speaker 6: Seems like there's a big overlap here with Andy Burnham's agenda.
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Speaker 2: Right absolutely, And we're going to talk much more about
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Speaker 2: this an extra and particularly the new government propaganda machine
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Speaker 2: that they're building at the moment. But let's move on
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Speaker 2: then to Iran. And Patrick's not with us this week
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Speaker 2: because he is in Tehran at the moment and he's
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Speaker 2: sent us this report.
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Speaker 7: Is Patrick Kenningson reporting for UK Colin News last Friday
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Speaker 7: on the News program. We were trying to get somebody
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Speaker 7: on the show. He couldn't make it. He was in Tehran.
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Speaker 7: He's someone we really wanted to speak to. Hussein chev
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Speaker 7: he's on the Leadership Council of the Workers Party of
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Speaker 7: Britain otherwise known as Hawes and as If Bye luck
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Speaker 7: I managed to run into him.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 7: I'm here in Iran for the funeral this week of
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Speaker 7: the Supreme Leader Iotola Ali Hamane is going to be
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Speaker 7: a huge national event. We're here to report on that,
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Speaker 7: to document on that and also what's going on with
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Speaker 7: the politics and with the war with the United States
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Speaker 7: has It's really great catching up to you.
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Speaker 1: It's an absolute pleasure to have you here.
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Speaker 8: It's good to see independent journalists coming here to document
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Speaker 8: what's going to happen, because this is going to.
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Speaker 1: Be an absolutely huge, historic event.
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Speaker 8: The last time the Supreme Leader of Iran, who's veried
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Speaker 8: some twenty million people hit the streets of Tehran, it's
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Speaker 8: not going to be the same this time, because it's
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Speaker 8: not going to be just in one city.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be here Nashia Iraq, and he has
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Speaker 1: been the leader.
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Speaker 8: Of Iran for a lot longer thanius.
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Speaker 7: So more than forty years, thirty seven, almost.
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Speaker 1: Seventy seven to thirty nine. I'm not quite sure all
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Speaker 1: the time.
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Speaker 8: I'm very like he is literally a two generational leader.
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Speaker 7: Let's just put that in perspective. For let's say, fifteen
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Speaker 7: million people in the streets of Tehran for the big procession,
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Speaker 7: just in this city. The population of Tehran, you know,
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Speaker 7: during the day, it's twelve million.
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Speaker 1: Correct, at night it's less.
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Speaker 7: Because people commuter space, but that's more than the population
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Speaker 7: of the city. Absolutely be longing to the city, absolutely
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Speaker 7: and then around the country millions more so what are
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Speaker 7: we talking about? What percentage of the Iranian population will
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Speaker 7: be attending around Iran will be attending the various ceremonies,
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Speaker 7: what what percent?
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Speaker 8: I would say to you, it's going to be at
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Speaker 8: least fifty percent, because home as well will have millions
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Speaker 8: of people. Cabala, which is in Iraq, will beaten millions
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Speaker 8: and millions.
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Speaker 1: This is this is Iraq as well.
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Speaker 8: This is in Iraq because at the heart of Shea
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Speaker 8: Islam is Naja and he's been taken there as well
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Speaker 8: because at the end of the day he has he
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Speaker 8: is a leader of a.
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Speaker 1: Huge sector of the year followers.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 8: So and Mashad Mashad is where he's going to get buried.
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Speaker 8: There will be again and that's correct. Yeah, Sosa is
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Speaker 8: buried there, and so they want to bury him in
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Speaker 8: the same place as that. It's it's as good a
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Speaker 8: place as anywhere in Sheer islamt is buried apart from Kanda,
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Speaker 8: I would suggest for Iranians, Masha is the place. It's
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Speaker 8: the harm of Emson.
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Speaker 7: What's what's like for you has because you've been watching
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Speaker 7: this drama unfold here from Afar, from Britain, from your
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Speaker 7: home in Britain, and I know that you've been under
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Speaker 7: a certain type of medical duress personally with a major
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Speaker 7: injury and medical condition ye're trying to overcome. You had
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Speaker 7: an opportunity to come here, and you took that opportunity,
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Speaker 7: didn't you.
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Speaker 8: It was actually the first opportunity that I was given
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Speaker 8: by my medical team because I have got broken back.
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Speaker 8: My T twelve is completely shattered and then an operation
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Speaker 8: that's put metal up and down my spine from T
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Speaker 8: ten down to L two and my back stabilized enough
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Speaker 8: for my surgeon on surgical team on the seventh for
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Speaker 8: men to say to me, we give you permission to
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Speaker 8: get on a plane, because before then they've refused because
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Speaker 8: they said, you know, if you go into some bad
20:54
Speaker 8: what's it going when you're the plane goes up and
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Speaker 8: had too much They said, you could be a dangerty
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Speaker 8: about eurbance. If there's bad turbulence, I could have been paralyzed.
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Speaker 8: But on the seventh of May, they looked at my back,
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Speaker 8: a slight piece of boneless fuse to the bottle of
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Speaker 8: by this support thing that's been put in there, I
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Speaker 8: was given them permission to come. It was the first
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Speaker 8: opportunity that I had to leave the country, and there
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Speaker 8: was only one place I was going to come to
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Speaker 8: in a wartime, and that is Iran. Because I think
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Speaker 8: it's really important for people to understand something about the
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Speaker 8: Iranian psyche. Every other war that you can think of
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Speaker 8: where Americas come in and attacked that country, Yeah, millions
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Speaker 8: of people left. Talk about Syria, millions left, talk about Iraq,
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Speaker 8: Millions left. All of these invasions that took place into Europe,
21:44
Speaker 8: of all of these countries, Afghanistan, Libya, all of them
21:47
Speaker 8: were because Americans, through the interest or for the interest
21:52
Speaker 8: of Israel, attacked these countries.
21:54
Speaker 1: People left ran away.
21:56
Speaker 8: The exact opposite happened with Iran, and I am only
21:59
Speaker 8: one hundreds of thousands of people that bought themselves here.
22:03
Speaker 1: You've met some of them since she absolutely.
22:06
Speaker 7: That's an incredible thing.
22:07
Speaker 5: People wouldn't expect that.
22:09
Speaker 8: The amazing and funny thing was Turkish newspaper outlets sent
22:14
Speaker 8: teams to the border with Turkey and they had their
22:17
Speaker 8: cameras trained on the border for it to get flooded
22:20
Speaker 8: by Iranians coming out, and all they had was streams
22:23
Speaker 8: of people walking past them to go in. So they
22:27
Speaker 8: turned the cameras around and started interviewing these people and going,
22:30
Speaker 8: what are you doing for attorney to our country? And
22:32
Speaker 8: they're saying, why are you coming so because we can't
22:34
Speaker 8: come by air. The air is locked, so we can
22:36
Speaker 8: only come by land. And there's people coming from Russia,
22:39
Speaker 8: people coming from Germany, people coming from California, people coming
22:42
Speaker 8: from everywhere.
22:43
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about just average people. I'm talking
22:45
Speaker 1: about doctors.
22:46
Speaker 8: I'm talking I mean, I'm a retired person. I'm a retiree.
22:50
Speaker 8: I don't have to come out. I can go and
22:51
Speaker 8: retire to Thailand wherever I want, which is what I
22:54
Speaker 8: was supposed to do. But there's no way I'm going
22:57
Speaker 8: to go to retirement while there is a war against
23:00
Speaker 8: our country. And that's the same attitude of hundreds of
23:03
Speaker 8: thousands of Iranians from all over the world.
23:08
Speaker 1: Surgeons, X ray questions.
23:11
Speaker 8: These are just the people that you see on video
23:12
Speaker 8: that are like, why are you coming back?
23:15
Speaker 1: Because this my country? Why you know there's a war.
23:18
Speaker 8: That is a defining thing about the Iranian people from
23:21
Speaker 8: all over the world. We have a love for our country,
23:24
Speaker 8: we have a love for this nation, we have a
23:26
Speaker 8: love for our culture, and we're not going to allow
23:28
Speaker 8: it to be destroyed by the hands of israel An America.
23:32
Speaker 8: It's not going to happen.
23:33
Speaker 7: That's a take we're not going to hear in the
23:34
Speaker 7: BBC has and we're grateful that you could share that. No,
23:39
Speaker 7: I know, we have to move on right now to
23:42
Speaker 7: other engagements. We'll be back to talk about the ceremony,
23:47
Speaker 7: the weekend's national festivities of this great historic moment. I
23:52
Speaker 7: look forward to talking to you, thank you as well
23:54
Speaker 7: as other people from this country to get their reactions
23:58
Speaker 7: about this historic week in Iranian history.
24:01
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26:10
Speaker 2: the High North, the Arctic. This has been a topic
26:13
Speaker 2: that we've been talking about for the last couple of
26:15
Speaker 2: years because it's become central to the anti Russia propaganda
26:19
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26:23
Speaker 2: from British government and the US as well.
26:27
Speaker 3: Yes, propaganda is exactly the right word to what I'm
26:29
Speaker 3: going to do to contextualize it is set it alongside
26:32
Speaker 3: a separate event, one that one might say is much
26:37
Speaker 3: more significant and should be paid significant amounts of attention to,
26:40
Speaker 3: which is the situation in Sudan. And here we have
26:43
Speaker 3: James Karauk speaking yet again to the United Nations Security
26:47
Speaker 3: Council saying that the effectively calling for humanitarian access and
26:53
Speaker 3: saying this conflict cannot be resolved by military means, and
26:57
Speaker 3: then I quote he says all parts of must act
27:00
Speaker 3: now to prevent further harms to civilians, which means we
27:05
Speaker 3: will do nothing now. Conversely, we have the NATO Allied
27:11
Speaker 3: Joint Force Command Norfolk banging the drum about Arctic sentry
27:17
Speaker 3: and specifically contributing to strengthening NATO's readiness, interoperability and collective defense.
27:22
Speaker 3: So the point I'm making here is that when with
27:25
Speaker 3: a genuine humanitarian crisis and genocide going on in Sudan,
27:28
Speaker 3: the focuses of the remaining elements of the British Navy,
27:33
Speaker 3: the Royal Navy, the Hybrid Navy, as Gwinn Jenkins is
27:37
Speaker 3: given to referring to it is conducting exercises. If we
27:40
Speaker 3: can just put this on screen please, is conducting exercises
27:43
Speaker 3: up in the High North. All smiles there with the
27:46
Speaker 3: Admirble commanding Joint Force Command Norfolk and as well the
27:51
Speaker 3: Prince of Wales. And of course the reason I'm putting
27:53
Speaker 3: the Prince Wales on screen is this is the aircraft
27:56
Speaker 3: carrier was of course due to be going south and
28:00
Speaker 3: southeast in order to support the actions with regard to Iran,
28:04
Speaker 3: but it isn't. Instead it describes itself as having had
28:07
Speaker 3: the privilege of hosting esteemed journalists from a number of organizations.
28:11
Speaker 3: And we just get to the heart of it, which
28:13
Speaker 3: is that it's all about the photo opportunity. Here we
28:16
Speaker 3: have pictures being taken of the carrier. It's no wonder
28:18
Speaker 3: that we refer to this sort of thing as operational theater.
28:22
Speaker 3: So that's just the massive contradiction in terms of taking
28:26
Speaker 3: action in an area where of course there is no threat,
28:29
Speaker 3: there is no situation to deal with as such, other
28:32
Speaker 3: than the propaganda and upholding it.
28:35
Speaker 2: Absolutely thank you for that, Charles Basil. Let me welcome
28:38
Speaker 2: you back. And Polunteer. We've been covering that the polunteer
28:42
Speaker 2: story for quite a long time now, but there seems
28:45
Speaker 2: to be a better pushback building, oh.
28:49
Speaker 6: Big pushback building. And the Telegraph yesterday reported that Andy Burnham,
28:55
Speaker 6: soon to be crowned Prime Minister, is going to kick
29:00
Speaker 6: out of the NHS when the contract is up for
29:03
Speaker 6: a MINEUW in February. Of course, it remains to be
29:05
Speaker 6: seen whether he actually acts on that initiative, but nevertheless,
29:12
Speaker 6: as we mentioned earlier, this drive towards city states and
29:17
Speaker 6: facial recognition technology which may well be diverted through Pallenteer.
29:23
Speaker 6: I saw this week that the Mayor of London is
29:27
Speaker 6: rowing back on his commitment to kick Palenteer out of
29:31
Speaker 6: the Metropolitan Police in London. So you know that we're
29:36
Speaker 6: a long long way from being rid of them, I
29:39
Speaker 6: should say, And if it isn't them, then it'll be
29:42
Speaker 6: somebody else running the facial recognition technology. Now, on that score,
29:47
Speaker 6: I'm delighted to say I'm joined on the program now
29:49
Speaker 6: by investigative journalist Johnny Vedmore.
29:53
Speaker 5: Good old friend, Welcome to the program, Johnny.
29:56
Speaker 9: Thank you for having me on. It's nice to see you, Basil.
29:58
Speaker 9: Always nice to talk you, and especially about something that's
30:01
Speaker 9: so important as what's happening. And in a sense it's
30:05
Speaker 9: operational theater all around, because really Palenteers assign the implementation
30:11
Speaker 9: in all parts of British society, including the NHS, including government,
30:16
Speaker 9: including police, is a sign of the police state. That's
30:20
Speaker 9: what we see coming upon us. And I think that
30:22
Speaker 9: also now stretches to protest movements to politics itself. I
30:27
Speaker 9: think the police state looks like it's being implemented and
30:30
Speaker 9: Palenteer is in a sense just a symptom of that.
30:32
Speaker 9: And when you talk about facial recognition technology, well it's
30:37
Speaker 9: nuanced between the contracts that the police, especially if we
30:42
Speaker 9: concentrate on the police forces in the UK, how they
30:46
Speaker 9: use facial recognition technology and how that links in with Palenteer.
30:52
Speaker 9: They'll claim that Palenteer doesn't do facial recognition. They use
30:57
Speaker 9: South Wales Police, Metropolitan Police use any c neo face
31:04
Speaker 9: to recognize faces, like in Cardiff the other day in
31:08
Speaker 9: the Metallica gig they've got free vans and they're using
31:11
Speaker 9: what's called neo face recognition, and they'll claim it keeps
31:15
Speaker 9: no data, it holds no data on people, retains no data.
31:18
Speaker 9: But it has to be working off data in the
31:20
Speaker 9: first place, and those data, that data is partially integrated
31:24
Speaker 9: through Palenteer Foundry systems, which basically integrates disparate information and
31:31
Speaker 9: data from all of these different systems into a wider
31:35
Speaker 9: database and allows them to basically be used ensemble. So
31:42
Speaker 9: it's a lot more nuanced. But thanks for having me
31:44
Speaker 9: on to talk about it. I look forward to it.
31:47
Speaker 6: Shabana my mood. The Home Secretary is talked about a
31:50
Speaker 6: panopticon of control. So in addition to facial recognition software,
31:56
Speaker 6: where else do you think Palenty and other government Asians
32:00
Speaker 6: for that matter, are seeking to control our lives?
32:02
Speaker 9: Johnny, Absolutely everywhere, Okay, I would say that from my experience,
32:08
Speaker 9: especially over the past three four years, I've partially been
32:13
Speaker 9: infiltrating what I see as undercover police operations that have
32:19
Speaker 9: taken over both sides of the protest movement. Any protests
32:22
Speaker 9: that happens in Cardiff, both sides appeared to be controlled
32:26
Speaker 9: by the police. They not only coordinate with the police,
32:30
Speaker 9: they have police attaches. Most of them are funded by
32:34
Speaker 9: people involved or leading them. Are funded either via these
32:38
Speaker 9: very nefarious sort of units linked to organizations that have
32:45
Speaker 9: links to Tommy Robinson and others of course, like for instance,
32:49
Speaker 9: Voice of Whales in Cardiff. I would love them to
32:52
Speaker 9: be a real protest unit, but I went on a
32:55
Speaker 9: protest with them and they had the police remove me
32:58
Speaker 9: from the protest. They actually formed a line in twenty
33:01
Speaker 9: twenty three that only I was not.
33:03
Speaker 5: Able to cross.
33:04
Speaker 9: Everybody else could come and go, and everybody could go,
33:07
Speaker 9: but they pulled me out because I'm too dangerous, because
33:09
Speaker 9: I'm not under control. Because all of the protest movements
33:12
Speaker 9: are under control. And I think that what people have
33:16
Speaker 9: to realize is that, and we'll get onto the planeteer
33:19
Speaker 9: part of it is that almost at every part of
33:22
Speaker 9: what is being implemented is a police state, and so
33:25
Speaker 9: the expression of the police state will come out in
33:27
Speaker 9: the protest movements and the control of the protest movements,
33:30
Speaker 9: but also in politics, and I think that's partially what
33:33
Speaker 9: we're seeing with Reform. I think a lot of Reform
33:36
Speaker 9: candidates they have links to people who want to institute
33:41
Speaker 9: the police state, and a lot of the it's not
33:45
Speaker 9: only protests, but it's politics that is also being swallowed
33:50
Speaker 9: up by this and all of them on all sides.
33:52
Speaker 9: However much Andy Burnham tries to claim that he'll come
33:56
Speaker 9: and change the game, and he'll refuse this and refuse that.
34:00
Speaker 9: With Palentiner, it's all just rhetoric. They know they're going
34:04
Speaker 9: to lose to in a landslide to Reform. They know
34:07
Speaker 9: they're going to lose. This is a third way switch
34:09
Speaker 9: for me. They're entering in a left wing that sort
34:13
Speaker 9: of looking politician that they can purge once they've lost
34:17
Speaker 9: to Reform, which will happen, and they'll say, oh, we
34:20
Speaker 9: swung too far left, so we're going to go back to,
34:23
Speaker 9: you know, the Keastarma type or the Ed millerban type,
34:26
Speaker 9: and we're going to go back to this third way
34:28
Speaker 9: politics is how they do They purge the left so
34:30
Speaker 9: that permanent revolution can never be a thing, and then
34:34
Speaker 9: they institute the police states. Slowly through that, and I
34:38
Speaker 9: think we're seeing that happening. I think everybody can can
34:41
Speaker 9: accept it now, however much they try and pull it
34:43
Speaker 9: back here or pull it back there. It's it's already
34:47
Speaker 9: endemic within the system. Our politics, Whitehall, all of NHS
34:54
Speaker 9: have massive holes now where data sets are being swallowed
34:58
Speaker 9: up by these companies paying big companies like Pallenteer to
35:03
Speaker 9: actually take masses of our data when that data's with
35:07
Speaker 9: gold dust and we're paying them, so there's obviously something
35:11
Speaker 9: wrong there. I did an article on called Depalenteer, which
35:15
Speaker 9: was on the German progression, and the Germans are a
35:18
Speaker 9: bit further behind than Britain on how Palenteer has been entered.
35:23
Speaker 9: Only four German federal states as so far adopted Palenteer technologies,
35:29
Speaker 9: but one of those states has adopted it in the
35:31
Speaker 9: sense that any other state can go and use their databases.
35:34
Speaker 9: So suddenly opens up to a national front. And this
35:37
Speaker 9: has happening on all fronts.
35:39
Speaker 5: When I go and.
35:39
Speaker 9: Talk to the people who are standing outside the police,
35:43
Speaker 9: who are standing outside the facial recognition vans in Cardiff
35:47
Speaker 9: the other day in a Metallica gig, I went up
35:50
Speaker 9: and I asked them about it, and they told me
35:53
Speaker 9: a selection of carefully worded lies about how the data
35:58
Speaker 9: is used. They don't know what I do. They don't
36:00
Speaker 9: know one of my jobs is to research the technocratic
36:03
Speaker 9: digital panopticon rising up around us. In actual fact, when
36:07
Speaker 9: I ask them, none of the police officers four police
36:10
Speaker 9: officers I asked, didn't know what a panopticon was, and
36:13
Speaker 9: they're standing in front of what is essentially the digital
36:17
Speaker 9: panopticon in essence, but they would tell you that, oh no,
36:22
Speaker 9: Palenteer won't be involved with this. This is any c technology.
36:27
Speaker 9: This has nothing to do with with that. But as
36:29
Speaker 9: soon as those faces of recognition software is going, it's
36:34
Speaker 9: using data that has been wielded and put together from
36:38
Speaker 9: multiple sources. Bipalenteer and Palenteer is is all over the
36:43
Speaker 9: police now and if you, for your request any information
36:46
Speaker 9: about it, they'll say, oh, you know, we cannot not
36:50
Speaker 9: confirm or deny. And that is nearly on every front.
36:54
Speaker 9: So they've got to a point where they use two
36:56
Speaker 9: basic technologies with Palenteer within the police and the US Okay,
37:00
Speaker 9: Gotham system, the Foundry system. The Gotham system is about investigation,
37:06
Speaker 9: is about looking for leeds is about profiling people, is
37:10
Speaker 9: about trying to solve crime before it happens, which is
37:16
Speaker 9: obviously a worrying idea that they're going to criminalize you
37:19
Speaker 9: before you've even committed a crime pre crime, of course.
37:22
Speaker 9: And then they've got the foundry system, which is how
37:25
Speaker 9: they link all of the databases together. So the NEC
37:29
Speaker 9: technology will use Palenteer at some point and all of
37:33
Speaker 9: these programs will be linked and there'll only be a
37:36
Speaker 9: couple of companies who are actually involved in a lot
37:38
Speaker 9: of this technology. If you look at the NEC technology itself,
37:43
Speaker 9: the neofaced technology that was created partially with the backing
37:47
Speaker 9: of the National Institute for Standards and Technology as a
37:51
Speaker 9: response to September the eleventh and the War on Terror.
37:55
Speaker 9: It was about two thousand and nine that they started
37:57
Speaker 9: giving grants and awards to any seed to say, hey,
38:00
Speaker 9: because this facial recognition technology is far enough advance, it
38:04
Speaker 9: is probably going to take the lead in the future,
38:06
Speaker 9: so we want to be all in now that that
38:09
Speaker 9: doesn't These aren't separate companies anymore. As soon as they
38:13
Speaker 9: start getting combined within one database, they all become part
38:16
Speaker 9: of what is the police state, and the police state
38:18
Speaker 9: is all around us.
38:19
Speaker 6: It is.
38:22
Speaker 9: Not just growing out of nowhere, it is infiltrating every
38:26
Speaker 9: single part of society.
38:28
Speaker 6: Johnny, Police and NHS. Johnny, thanks very much, Mike. I've
38:33
Speaker 6: got some news from you about pushback against Pellaneer elsewhere
38:38
Speaker 6: well in date.
38:40
Speaker 2: Thank you Johnny for that. I've got to say, if
38:42
Speaker 2: we're skeptical what Burnham might do, it's already happening in Spain.
38:46
Speaker 2: So if we bring this on screen, the Spanish government
38:48
Speaker 2: has begun, or do a quick translation over here, has
38:51
Speaker 2: begun issuing directives to state controlled bodies to blacklist volunteer.
38:56
Speaker 2: They are using national security as a justification and if
39:00
Speaker 2: expressed concerns about the risk of classified material falling into
39:04
Speaker 2: Pollenteer's hands. Now the Spanish equivalent of number ten is
39:08
Speaker 2: known as on KLOA, and they have instructed companies overseen
39:13
Speaker 2: by the State Society of Industrial Participation otherwise known as
39:17
Speaker 2: SEPPI to hold future contracting with Palanteer. This impacts the
39:24
Speaker 2: likes of Telephonica Indra and also the military ship shipbuilder Nevantia,
39:29
Speaker 2: and in fact the Navantia contract was almost at the
39:32
Speaker 2: point of being signed. And this is also happening in France,
39:37
Speaker 2: because the French Foreign Minister announced on the tenth of
39:42
Speaker 2: June that France would cease working with Paleteer and so on.
39:47
Speaker 2: So we're going to see perhaps we're seeing a bit
39:49
Speaker 2: of pushback here. Spain already has a sixteen and a half
39:54
Speaker 2: million euro contract signed in twenty twenty three with the
39:57
Speaker 2: Armed Forces Intelligence Center, and that contract to scheduled to
40:01
Speaker 2: expire in November this year, and so I presume that's
40:04
Speaker 2: not going to be renewed at that point. One of
40:08
Speaker 2: the sort of general issues that people have expressed is
40:12
Speaker 2: with respective volunteers, that of vendor lock in, and so
40:15
Speaker 2: perhaps when that contract is changed in November, maybe we'll
40:21
Speaker 2: see just how much of an impact that is on
40:24
Speaker 2: SPIN and how much vendor lock in is a thing.
40:30
Speaker 2: So we'll talk more about this in extra have no doubet,
40:33
Speaker 2: but Charles, let's come back to you.
40:38
Speaker 3: Yes, thanks very much, Mike. Yeah, we're going to talk
40:40
Speaker 3: about the Information Commissioner's office, or at least the rearrangement
40:43
Speaker 3: of the deck chairs there, because we have John Edwards,
40:47
Speaker 3: the previous Information Commissioner, who has recently resigned after what
40:54
Speaker 3: he's described as inappropriate use of inappropriate humor and poor
40:58
Speaker 3: judgment which has caused defense. But he also said in
41:01
Speaker 3: a note that he put on LinkedIn that the rapid
41:03
Speaker 3: advancement of technology presents enormous opportunities, but it must be
41:07
Speaker 3: safe and accessible for everyone. Unfortunately that is not always
41:11
Speaker 3: the reality. Now, whether that was a genuine concern of
41:15
Speaker 3: his or not, I suppose we will never find out,
41:17
Speaker 3: because he is now gone. Worth reminding me, of course
41:20
Speaker 3: that he is a New Zealand. And now as for
41:22
Speaker 3: his replacement, a man called Paul Arnold. Paul Arnold has
41:26
Speaker 3: stepped into the breach, and I think the important thing
41:29
Speaker 3: to know about him is that he was awarded an
41:31
Speaker 3: mb for services to not just regulation but also equality,
41:36
Speaker 3: diversity and inclusion, which might explain why the ICO logo
41:41
Speaker 3: looks like this at the moment.
41:43
Speaker 10: Now.
41:43
Speaker 3: The reason for talking about this is not just the
41:45
Speaker 3: change of personnel and the direction the organization in so
41:49
Speaker 3: far as politicization might appear to be going, but also
41:53
Speaker 3: because of what was exposed ironically through freedom of information
41:57
Speaker 3: requests back in March of this. And the link, of
42:02
Speaker 3: course is that the ICO is supposed to be the
42:05
Speaker 3: arbiter in sofar as the correct procedures are adhered to
42:10
Speaker 3: for freedom of information request. Now, in response to somebody
42:15
Speaker 3: asking if there were going to be any changes to
42:18
Speaker 3: regulations surrounding freedom of information requests, there was a release
42:23
Speaker 3: from the ICO suggesting an initial suggested suite of provisions.
42:27
Speaker 3: It was all rather euphemistic language, but I think the
42:29
Speaker 3: pieces to pull out are in an internal email ironically
42:34
Speaker 3: to the Director of FOI Transparency. It was written that
42:38
Speaker 3: the focus of the suggested suite of provisions is on
42:40
Speaker 3: reducing the impact of requests. So straight away we're given
42:45
Speaker 3: the impression that it's not the information itself that matters here,
42:50
Speaker 3: it is the system. So that is incredibly revealing, but
42:54
Speaker 3: also in terms of what could be done about it,
42:57
Speaker 3: one of the suggestions is that to allow refusal of
43:00
Speaker 3: FI requests for information in respect of which there is
43:04
Speaker 3: little public interest in its disclosure. And of course critical
43:07
Speaker 3: part there is to consider how very subjective that is
43:10
Speaker 3: in so far as it may be applied to anything,
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Speaker 3: because of course it is being handed to the public
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Speaker 3: authority or then to the ICO as to what is
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Speaker 3: or what is not in the public interest. Now, critical
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Speaker 3: to all of this, in so far as understanding it,
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Speaker 3: are the number of requests and how they've changed over
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Speaker 3: the last five years, but also why. And this is
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Speaker 3: the graph showing the increase to more than double what
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Speaker 3: they were in twenty twenty forty twenty twenty gone up
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Speaker 3: to ninety four thousand last year. And the question has
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Speaker 3: to be asked why And is this because government is
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Speaker 3: not providing the public with the information that they desire,
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Speaker 3: or because it's pursuing an agenda which it does not
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Speaker 3: seem to be held accountable to or four or is
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Speaker 3: it simply that public department's public authorities are not responding
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Speaker 3: in the first instance, in an honest sense, there'll be many,
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Speaker 3: many reasons for this. But what's pointed out by Mischconderrea,
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Speaker 3: which has written in an article about the exposing of
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Speaker 3: this entitled is the ICO exploring ways to gut the
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Speaker 3: foi at As they quite rightly point out, there's a
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Speaker 3: strong argument that regular use of FOIA is actually the
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Speaker 3: mark of a mature democracy and engage public and a
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Speaker 3: transparent society will not if ICO has anything to do
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Speaker 3: with it. And then they go on to say, but
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Speaker 3: another question arises, it's far from clear that it's the
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Speaker 3: ico's role to propose legal changes to FOIA and that
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Speaker 3: is of course a fundamental point to this. What business
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Speaker 3: do they have as the arbiter to suggest that there
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Speaker 3: should be changes to the legislation which they are supposed
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Speaker 3: to adhere to, and so in terms of the job
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Speaker 3: that they have to do. And now just to finish
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Speaker 3: off slightly at an oblique angle, but nonetheless a very
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Speaker 3: important one and something that we will be explaining more
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Speaker 3: in greater detail. This was a respon on that Brian
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Speaker 3: Gerrish had from the ICO pursuing a subject access request
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Speaker 3: with Plymouth City College. There will be more to come
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Speaker 3: on this, but the point here is that the ICO
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Speaker 3: denied a further investigation because they decided that the information
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Speaker 3: provided in line with the published framework did not satisfy
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Speaker 3: their criteria and therefore it was not worth investigating. So
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Speaker 3: I go back to the subjective nature of what is
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Speaker 3: or is not in the public interest. So a lot
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Speaker 3: of questions to ask about what the ICO is empowered
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Speaker 3: to do and what it is proposing that is done
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Speaker 3: with the law. But as I say, there'll be more
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Speaker 3: to come on UK columns dealing with Plymouth City College.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Charles Basil. Back to you then
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Speaker 2: and well, the question is a US UK trade deal
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Speaker 2: involving the NHS.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Mike.
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Speaker 6: It seems every week there's a new story about just
45:58
Speaker 6: how truly awful the starma regime has been, particularly in
46:02
Speaker 6: the mismanagement of public finances, but this one surely tops
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Speaker 6: the lot. If we go back to just the first
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Speaker 6: of December last year, the government announced the UK US
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Speaker 6: Pharmaceuticals Deal as a landmark which would safeguard medicines access
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Speaker 6: and dry vital investment for UK patients and businesses. Sounds fantastic.
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Speaker 6: The government agreed to a nine percent tariff on UK
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Speaker 6: pharmaceutical and medical device exports to the United States for
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Speaker 6: the next three years. This was all part of a
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Speaker 6: broader UK US trade and economic negotiation focusing supposedly on
46:43
Speaker 6: strengthening bilateral cooperation in strategically important areas, including life sciences
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Speaker 6: and pharmaceuticals. But and here's the kicker. In return, the
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Speaker 6: British government committed to increasing NHS spending on new US
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Speaker 6: medicines from zero point three percent this year to at
47:04
Speaker 6: least zero point six percents of GDP by twenty thirty six.
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Speaker 6: This means that medicine spending overall will increase from roughly
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Speaker 6: ten percent to twelve percent of the NHS budget, meaning
47:18
Speaker 6: that the NHS will have to divert around forty five
47:22
Speaker 6: billion pounds from essential services to pay for new medicines
47:27
Speaker 6: under the terms of the deal. Now, research published in
47:30
Speaker 6: the BMJ, the British Medical Journal has found that this
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Speaker 6: commitment to spend so much more on new branded medicines
47:37
Speaker 6: over the next decade without any increase in NHS funding,
47:42
Speaker 6: will inevitably create substantial opportunity costs elsewhere themselves, then having
47:49
Speaker 6: a direct effect on population. Health ministers have been accused
47:54
Speaker 6: of caving into American demands to spend billions of pounds
47:58
Speaker 6: a year extra on drugs applied to the NHS after
48:02
Speaker 6: pressure from Donald Trump, and unsurprisingly, the potentially devastating impact
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Speaker 6: on NHS care has caused growing alarm. Now this analysis,
48:12
Speaker 6: which was published this week in the British Medical Journal,
48:16
Speaker 6: that was authored by three academic Samuel Cross, Carl Claxton
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Speaker 6: Andrew Hill, and it really is the document the government
48:23
Speaker 6: hoped would never be written. Ministers themselves refuse to publish
48:28
Speaker 6: their own impact assessment, so the health economists did the
48:31
Speaker 6: work for them using the government's own methods. Their conclusion,
48:36
Speaker 6: diverting NHS funds to pay more for new drugs will
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Speaker 6: cause roughly two hundred and twenty nine thousand excess deaths
48:45
Speaker 6: in England alone over the next ten years. If you
48:49
Speaker 6: include the dock on damage to adult social care, the
48:53
Speaker 6: figure rises to more like two hundred and ninety one thousand.
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Speaker 6: The way this deal operates is through three instruments, each
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Speaker 6: one to rapchet First. Ministers took powers in March of
49:04
Speaker 6: this year to instruct the National Institute for Health and
49:08
Speaker 6: Care Excellence NICE to raise its cost effectiveness thresholds. This
49:13
Speaker 6: means that over twenty years NICE will approve a medicine
49:18
Speaker 6: if it delivers a year quality of life for between
49:21
Speaker 6: twenty to thirty thousand pounds from April that is up
49:24
Speaker 6: to twenty five to thirty thousand pounds the same pills,
49:27
Speaker 6: the same benefits, but a higher price by decree. This
49:31
Speaker 6: led the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments to describe this
49:35
Speaker 6: use of ministerial direction as an unexpected and irregular use
49:40
Speaker 6: of enabling power. In other words, the government bent the
49:43
Speaker 6: machinery of the state to satisfy a foreign power, and
49:48
Speaker 6: bypassed Parliament to do so Secondly, the industry rebate scheme
49:52
Speaker 6: that clawsed back excess drug spending, known as VPAG, has
49:56
Speaker 6: been gutted in twenty twenty five. The rebate twenty three percent.
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Speaker 6: Under the new arrangement, it falls to fourteen and a
50:02
Speaker 6: half percent with anti circumvention clauses that legally prohibit the
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Speaker 6: NHS from recovering the money through any other route. Britain
50:12
Speaker 6: has effectively negotiated a treaty clause that acts against the
50:16
Speaker 6: interests of its own health service. And Thirdly, the government
50:19
Speaker 6: is committed to doubling national spending on new medicines from
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Speaker 6: zero point three percent to zero point six percent. The cumulus,
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Speaker 6: the cost of which will be forty five billion, the
50:29
Speaker 6: annual cost by twenty thirty six eight point eight billion,
50:32
Speaker 6: which is one hundred and seventy million pounds every single week.
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Speaker 6: Samuel Cross is a professor at the Department of Pharmacology
50:41
Speaker 6: at the University of Liverpool. He co offered the report
50:44
Speaker 6: and said that the agreement benefits pharmaceutical companies and comes
50:49
Speaker 6: at the cost of NHS patients who would have guessed.
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Speaker 1: Who would have guessed?
50:56
Speaker 2: Indeed, puzzle thank you for that more. An extra I'm
50:59
Speaker 2: sure Charles back to you then, and the Enoch work kiss.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, which I hope people will be familiar with.
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Speaker 3: But this is the Irish school teacher from Wilson's Hospital
51:13
Speaker 3: School in County Westmeath who refused to go along with
51:16
Speaker 3: the school's apparent change of policy on transgenderism and in
51:20
Speaker 3: particular the calling of a child by a different name
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Speaker 3: and a different set of pronouns, which ENoC Buck refused
51:28
Speaker 3: to do and challenged the school on and was initially
51:30
Speaker 3: suspended and then sacked and has spent the last nearly
51:34
Speaker 3: two years in prison. He has just been released and
51:37
Speaker 3: this is what he had to say when he came out.
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Speaker 11: This morning and we saw George Creegan releasing me here
51:44
Speaker 11: from Catharine Prison. But honder the pretext that the DApp
51:47
Speaker 11: that's the Disciplinary Appeals Panel is over, he said, and
51:52
Speaker 11: is at an end. And Judge Creegan knows full well
51:55
Speaker 11: that the Disciplinary Appeal Panel was cheered by Miss clear Call,
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Speaker 11: the chair of the Disciplinary Panel of the Church of Ireland,
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Speaker 11: and I would say one of the most powerful women
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Speaker 11: in the Church of Ireland, also the wife of mister
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Speaker 11: Lyndon McCann senior counsel, one of the most powerful men
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Speaker 11: in the Church of Ireland. That's beyond doubt, far and
52:16
Speaker 11: away one of the most powerful men. A legal assessor,
52:19
Speaker 11: the legal assessor to the Archbishop of the Church of Ireland,
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Speaker 11: sits in numerous high roles within the Church of Ireland.
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Speaker 11: Now Judge Cregan knows all this. He knows it full well.
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Speaker 11: He was informed of it in court weeks ago, and
52:31
Speaker 11: he knows full well the seriousness of a party being
52:35
Speaker 11: judge in their own cause. And he knows that in
52:39
Speaker 11: my situation, suspension a very serious matter, a rare occurrence,
52:44
Speaker 11: that it's important that the process would be procedurally meticulous.
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Speaker 5: He said.
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Speaker 10: The appeal panel process is over now.
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Speaker 12: Enoch Berks School, Wilson's Hospital.
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Speaker 5: School is a Church of Ireland school. It's one of
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Speaker 5: the auspices of the Church of Ireland.
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Speaker 12: And to think that the person nominated by the State,
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Speaker 12: by the Minister for Education to sist on nuts appeal
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Speaker 12: of his dismissal is a woman who is a high
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Speaker 12: ranking individual within the Church of Ireland and who's married
53:19
Speaker 12: to someone who is really has an unprecedented and unparalleled
53:23
Speaker 12: rule in that organization is simply scandalous.
53:30
Speaker 3: So even in that short clip of the two brothers
53:32
Speaker 3: speaking there, it's very obvious it's an incredible level of
53:36
Speaker 3: corruption and perversion. And now with it in mind that
53:41
Speaker 3: the reason that Eno but took the stance that he
53:44
Speaker 3: did was first of all on religious grounds, but also
53:48
Speaker 3: to prevent harm to children. And this is specifically what
53:52
Speaker 3: he had to say about that.
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Speaker 11: Also, Judge Brian Kreegan saying today that he was releasing
53:57
Speaker 11: me from prison because the school was now over and
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Speaker 11: children would be safe, that that that I wouldn't be
54:04
Speaker 11: there in their way again a total untruth. When I
54:07
Speaker 11: stood there in the car door in Wilson's Hospital, Sciol,
54:09
Speaker 11: my school children coming up shaking hands me, wanting photos,
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Speaker 11: wanting signature, is delighted that I was there, wanting me
54:16
Speaker 11: to sign their their their jumpers at this time, at
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Speaker 11: the end of year.
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Speaker 10: And Brian Kreegan knows, uh knows all this. And yes,
54:23
Speaker 10: what we saw on our screens last week, the Pride parade,
54:27
Speaker 10: the privacy, the perversion, the Satanists, men dressed in black,
54:31
Speaker 10: men like dogs, barking, all of this, that's he's he's
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Speaker 10: happy with that, That's okay with that for children, the
54:38
Speaker 10: children are safe apparently, with that no problem to Judge
54:42
Speaker 10: Brian Kreegan.
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Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna put on screen now some footage
54:48
Speaker 3: from that parade in Dublin just last week, in order
54:52
Speaker 3: that there is some idea given to what they are
54:56
Speaker 3: talking about, because it is important to get the message
54:59
Speaker 3: across that the they are not using hyperbole, they are
55:02
Speaker 3: not providing a fictional account of what it is that
55:07
Speaker 3: they are concerned about. And this was footage from the event,
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Speaker 3: which exactly like they say, appears to be of no
55:15
Speaker 3: concern to either the state or indeed the Church of Ireland.
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Speaker 3: Now I would just finish off by saying that there
55:22
Speaker 3: are great parallels here with the case of Kevin Lister,
55:27
Speaker 3: who was teaching in Swindon and fell foul of a
55:31
Speaker 3: similar set of circumstances, albeit not related at all to
55:37
Speaker 3: the church. But I did record an interview with him
55:39
Speaker 3: called the Preservation of Fantasy Transgender Ideology, and I would
55:43
Speaker 3: encourage you to listen to that just to get a
55:45
Speaker 3: sense of how incredibly prejudiced the system is with specific
55:49
Speaker 3: regard to this issue.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that, Charles Basil. Let's come
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Speaker 2: back to you then, for in case you missed it, Yes,
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Speaker 2: thanks Mike.
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Speaker 6: This is our very quick roundup of the events of
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Speaker 6: the week, and starting with yes, surprise, surprise, Donald Trump
56:11
Speaker 6: is America's top crypto scammer. Just last year he made
56:17
Speaker 6: one point four billion dollars from ramping crypto currencies and
56:23
Speaker 6: then getting out again. Apparently it's the first time he's
56:26
Speaker 6: genuinely been a billionaire, and his whole family have been
56:29
Speaker 6: on the grift ever since he was re elected. Next up, Lettigno,
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Speaker 6: who our great ally in the Middle East, said this
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Speaker 6: week that the wars will never end. You won't see
56:43
Speaker 6: that reported in the UK press, of course. Next up,
56:49
Speaker 6: we've got another story. This is Gallett's disteal at Baron
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Speaker 6: le could nest Set member, former Minister of Education, who
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Speaker 6: after October the seventh said, erase Garza from the face
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Speaker 6: of the earth. Let the girls and monsters die, and
57:07
Speaker 6: let them die badly. Gaza should be wiped off the map. Well,
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Speaker 6: they've succeeded in doing that, and fire and brimstone on
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Speaker 6: the heads of the Nazis in Judea and Sumeria, so
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Speaker 6: she said. Now, this week there was a debate in
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Speaker 6: the Knesset about whether or not the Red Cross should
57:27
Speaker 6: be allowed to visit Palestinian prisoners in the Israeli torture
57:31
Speaker 6: goulag And this is what she had to.
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Speaker 13: Say, casual Bagats. She had the chavitria mitri lat juni
57:42
Speaker 13: yes loura clakats and a hysteria miit it the shabbas
57:48
Speaker 13: tlava domikan. They have a kerasil mahapa bocal happyguas barati
57:57
Speaker 13: velilta dam arahaya.
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Speaker 14: Lipshavalas valmedinati silkulaato schabbas the given socot so let me
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Speaker 14: called mahaba buckle larem as chabbas that is panuela vamo.
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Speaker 13: Cenova da frito.
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Speaker 12: Let's lava.
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Speaker 13: Don't be sume panin thea often be sume panin thea
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Speaker 13: often leada.
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Speaker 6: Under those circumstances, should the Red Cross be allowed to
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Speaker 6: visit Palestinian prisoners, because of course they will discover just
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Speaker 6: how inhumanly they are being tortured. Even the Nazis allowed
58:48
Speaker 6: the Red Cross into prisoner of war camps. And of
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Speaker 6: course her problem is not with the torture, but the
58:55
Speaker 6: fact that it will be discovered.
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Speaker 5: So on we go. Also this week.
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Speaker 6: Ford rehiring human engineers because artificial intelligence failing to match
59:08
Speaker 6: the quality checks. Who could have possibly guessed it? Also
59:14
Speaker 6: this week, in nineteen seventy, the UK and Norway were
59:19
Speaker 6: roughly equal, almost no debt, and owned all their public services.
59:24
Speaker 6: Now the UK owns nothing. Of course, we've privatized everything
59:27
Speaker 6: and has three trillion pounds of debt, mean, while Norway
59:31
Speaker 6: still owns everything and has the equivalent of ten trillion.
59:35
Speaker 6: That's how privatization works. Wasn't in a brilliant idea? Should
59:42
Speaker 6: white people really stop having children? Well? According to one
59:47
Speaker 6: German feminist sociology, she says that Westerners have a moral
59:52
Speaker 6: duty to remain childless and take in more refugees instead.
59:58
Speaker 6: So forget about continuing your family line or anything like that.
1:00:03
Speaker 6: But remember the Grace replacement. That's all a conspiracy theory.
1:00:08
Speaker 6: Now we've got a really bizarre intervention. This is our
1:00:14
Speaker 6: comedy moment of the week. Lord Alan West is the
1:00:17
Speaker 6: former First Sea Lord. He was also then co opted
1:00:22
Speaker 6: into the Blair government as Under Secretary of State for
1:00:25
Speaker 6: counter Terrorism and he still sits in.
1:00:28
Speaker 5: The House of Lords. Apparently we need.
1:00:32
Speaker 6: To look out because Chechen stormtroopers are coming. Let's have
1:00:36
Speaker 6: a look at this clip.
1:00:38
Speaker 15: Things like welfare. To be quite honest, they are unimportant
1:00:42
Speaker 15: when you lose a war and you have Russian Chechen
1:00:45
Speaker 15: stormtroopers coming down the street, raping women and killing people.
1:00:48
Speaker 15: I mean, that's how important defense and security is.
1:00:55
Speaker 6: Russian and Chechen stormtroopers are going to be running down
1:00:58
Speaker 6: the streets, raping our and shooting us in our beds.
1:01:03
Speaker 6: That's what passes for analysis from senior officials and members
1:01:10
Speaker 6: of the House of Lords, former First Sea Lord. Extraordinary
1:01:13
Speaker 6: how these people get these jobs and unsurprisingly.
1:01:18
Speaker 5: Here we go last one of the week.
1:01:21
Speaker 6: We need to stop ben more on defense because look,
1:01:23
Speaker 6: think about it. If Russia invaded Britain, they'll turn us
1:01:26
Speaker 6: into a sham democracy run by oligarchs, drag us into
1:01:30
Speaker 6: illegal wars and use state powers to repress activists and
1:01:34
Speaker 6: steadily erode free expression. And we can't have that, can we.
1:01:39
Speaker 6: Quite apart from the stormtroopers raping us and shooting us
1:01:43
Speaker 6: as we sleep, Mike.
1:01:46
Speaker 2: Thank you, Basil, thank you for leaving the program on
1:01:49
Speaker 2: the humorous note. Fantastic, We're going to stop there. I
1:01:53
Speaker 2: think Jolly will be with us for extra so for
1:01:56
Speaker 2: UK col members stick around on the live stream and
1:02:00
Speaker 2: we'll have more to discuss with him on Valannteer and
1:02:03
Speaker 2: a whole host of other topics today, So we'll be
1:02:06
Speaker 2: back in a few minutes, but in the meantime, have
1:02:08
Speaker 2: a great weekend. We'll see you for another news program
1:02:11
Speaker 2: on Monday as usual. Don't forget to pick up a
1:02:13
Speaker 2: copy of the magazine. See you then, Bye bye,