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WoW to OSRS: Guzu · Wall Friends

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Welcome back to the podcast miniseries Wow to Old School,
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where I'm interviewing Wow streamers that tried Old School
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Runescape, finding out what they liked, what they disliked, what
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they think of Wow now, what they think of Old School now, just
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talking about stuff. We've got quite the episode
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today, one of the most wholesome streamers you can come across on
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Twitch. He just so happened to be the
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very first Wow streamer to take that leap and try Old School
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Runescape. Streaming Old School and posting
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a hardcore series to YouTube. This streamer unintentionally
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caused a lot of other people to do exactly what he did.
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He's gone in hardcore. Iron Man, well, you know, was
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guideless. Completely guideless.
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He's known for falling down a hole somewhere in World of
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Warcraft and solving old school puzzles like it's national
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treasure. Enjoy this discussion with
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Goozu. Goozu.
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Yes. How long have you been playing
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World of Warcraft? Oh.
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God, I don't even know. I don't know.
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Listen, I play, I started playing back in 2005, so that is
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a long time ago. I've had a little bit of a
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break, you know, between some years.
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But I, I, I, I have a solid, I would say like 16-17 years under
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my belt probably. Wow, it's it's so interesting
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everyone has said so far, like I've noticed with Wow players,
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anyone who started like 2000 and five 2006, they've all basically
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taken a break at some point during some expansion, but it's
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like spread out like you never know when their break came.
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It could have been like during Wrath or not until like Legion
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or something like it's all over the place.
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Whereas Runescape players it's always like, oh, when did you
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take a break? 2012 EOC When that happened,
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that's when I was gone. Everyone like left during that
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I. Was not there anymore.
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I mean, that's like the big breaking point in the game,
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right? I think it's because the the
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Runescape evolutionary combat was a very defining, OK, this is
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now different, very different. But with Wow, it was very
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gradual. Slowly, it became like a
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different game, right? Yeah, it it definitely was a
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slow burn of a change. So with your time on Wow, just
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having played so long, what kind of play style would you describe
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yourself as? Like I know in Only Fangs it was
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essentially you're either new or a sweat, no in between.
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But when it comes down to it, like, how would you describe
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yourself as a Wow player? I mean, for me, I'm, I'm very
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heavily a classic Wow player, like vanilla Wow, That that's I
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guess my jam. That's what I really love,
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right. So I never really got into like
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the whole arena or mythic US pushing and stuff like that.
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I was more so I love the old school MMOI love, you know, the
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world PvP aspect, the rating and that stuff.
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So I played on a classic Wow. I played rogue and warrior for
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the most part, mostly rogue to begin with.
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And I did a lot of world PvP and I really loved rating and like
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parsing and raids and stuff. So mainly that.
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But you know, just the classic, basically just vanilla, right?
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Gotcha. It's like, did you ever find
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yourself taking it more seriously than you thought you
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would? Like, streamer aside, like as a
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player, did you ever like kind of log in with a serious face?
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Like, I'm going to get this done today, you know, like for a
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period of time. I mean, I don't know, I always
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played quite a lot, but I mean, when I got back into playing
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Classic Wow again, which is when I really started having a big
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burst of of gameplay again in it is it was back in 2018, I think,
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but there was a private server at that point called Nostalgias
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that I ended up getting coversed into playing in the beginning.
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I was like, I'll, I'll just play casually, you know, once in a
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while and then you get, you know, you know how it goes with
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Mmos, you just start losing your whole life into it, right.
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But I don't know, I, I feel like back when I did like the, when I
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first got into Classic Wow again, like in 2018-2019, I, I
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really played a lot. It was even before I was
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streaming it. It was like my whole life
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outside work and and school and stuff.
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Yeah. It's like 2019 when when Classic
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came out. Is that kind of when you'd
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pretty much just total Focus Classic, not looking back, no,
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no retail sort of thing? It was a bit before that it was
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about Nostalius. I don't remember.
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Nostalius was actually in 2016. I think it.
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Gotcha. Yeah.
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So I started quite a bit before Classic was actually even
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announced. I was like, you know, hopping
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from private server to private server kind of deal, kind of a
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deal. But it was a bit more niche
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because it was, there wasn't really anything official, but
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it's back when it was announced. That's when I went crazy with
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it. Yeah, yeah, I've noticed a lot
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of players were in that private server era, like in Runescape,
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it was the same thing around the EOC time.
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Like that's why they had finally gotten the courage to like pull
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Old School Runescape because there were so many private
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servers basically hosting Old School Runescape already that
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were making money and stuff. So I guess it's like the same
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situation and Wow. So it's really interesting that
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everybody like there seems to be so many players like Wow players
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that did try private servers are become a part of like a private
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server community. So that's super interesting just
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how prevalent it was. But with that stuff in mind,
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looking at just the landscape of World of Warcraft right now,
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because you know, there's classic anniversary, there's
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just regular classic, there's hardcore classic, there's these
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season of discovery servers, there's just like there's Legion
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remix, there's Mop classic. Like there's so much going on
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over there. So like since you've been over
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here a little bit at at the in the old school world and you
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kind of just take a glance back at the World of Warcraft, just
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environment the community right now.
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What are what are your like thoughts on it collectively?
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Like when you just glance over there and and see it in its
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current state. I mean, I'm obviously coming
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from a very like classic based view or like I, I love vanilla
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and like that thing. I can it's, it's look, it looks
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messy and I feel like it's, it's, I would love for there to
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be more communication and like, more like, you know, what's
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going on? Because for me it feels like a
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little bit like Wow. I guess Wow has always been
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seasonal, but it became more like, oh, now we have classic
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Sod sees the mastery, sees the discovery hardcore.
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Now we have Mr. Pandaria. Where's that going?
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Nobody knows. Where's sees the discovery
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going? Well, we don't know.
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Maybe there's an update, maybe, maybe not.
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Maybe your character's gone and it, it feels a bit like you're
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left in like the unknown, which is really strange.
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And going over to Runescape, something I've really noticed
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that is that there's a lot of communication and you really
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know what's happening and it feels like the game you're
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playing is like it. It matters a lot more because
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it's a singular game, right? Whereas Classic is very
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scattered and you don't really know where the focus is anymore.
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Right, when I talked to Annie about this, she gave an
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interesting perspective of like, if you are a Wow player that
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plays all the versions, it almost feels like you kind of
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have like a backup of work to do and you're trying to like bounce
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between the things to catch up and keep up just because of how
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many things are going on constantly over there and really
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kind of unpredictably going on over there, like you just never
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know. So it's kind of tough to balance
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it all or choose your main game sort of thing.
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And. In in a way, it feels like, it
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feels like what Blizzard kind of wants is that they want people
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to play all the versions. So like, you're not playing, I'm
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not playing Wow, I'm playing every version of Wow, right?
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And I have like 4 different characters.
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So a really interesting thing that they did actually back in a
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few years, a few months ago with Seasonal Discovery, they did
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their final raid, the Scarlet Enclave, and there's a boss
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called Balnasar in that raid. And then they came out with a
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Mr. Pandaria. And then they did like a little,
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I guess, event where if you went into the season of Discovery and
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you killed Balasore, you got a free Mr. Pandaria boost.
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Weird. So that they're trying to
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coercing people to go from Sod to MOB, right?
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And then now we don't know where MOB is going.
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And Sod is kind of like in the in the Loll as well.
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So you're copying from all these versions of the games, but you
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don't really know where the main focus really is anymore, I feel
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like. Yeah.
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And now that you mention that, I do remember when they first did,
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I think it was, it was Mop Remix, I'm pretty sure.
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And there was like the incentive for used to go try it because
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they would get cosmetics in retail or something like that.
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So it's like, which I guess is a similar system to what old
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school has with leagues where is like you go participate in this
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temporary game mode and then you can get rewards on your main
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account sort of thing. So I guess that makes sense.
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But there just seems to be so much of that bouncing around to
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like the incentives and all that.
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So I don't know that's it's very complicated feels like.
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It's it's also a bit of FOMO as well because a lot of the game
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modes that whenever you do them. It's you can.
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Catch up on so many stuff that there's so many unique rewards
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that you can only get during this game mode.
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I remember when they did Plunderstorm, which was like a
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battle Royale style wild game that they did for like a period
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of time. You could gain 50 levels in that
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game mode, if I recall correctly and there was unique rewards
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tied to that event that you can only get at that point, right?
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And then whenever the event is over, it's gone.
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So people were like really annoyed that they had to play
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this game mode to get their rewards in in current college.
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Yeah, I guess they they combat that in old school by making the
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the rewards tradable. So people are like doing it just
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to go sell it in the main game and then if you weren't there.
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You could just buy it on the. GE or something That's that's
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fair. Yeah, it's, I didn't realize
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that really like why they did that.
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I guess it's the fight the FOMO thing because FOMO is not very
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liked by old school community. That I've noticed.
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Definitely, yeah. Just thinking about all of the
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different Wows, there's obviously the discussion of, you
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know, classic Plus. And I know you've kind of doved
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into classic plus discussions a lot and kind of chimed in on a
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lot of different other creators talking about it.
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So when you envision classic plus, what exactly do you see?
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Because it's, it's like when I think about classic wow or just
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Wow format in general, this very like vertical progression of
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journeying to Max level and then grinding for Priebus and then
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grinding for Bis until the next thing comes out where you grind
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again for Bis and like keep, keep that cycle going.
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So in in like the situation of a classic plus like this thing
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that everyone's kind of, you know, seeking after, what do you
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envision that being that kind of separates it from all these
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other game modes and different versions of Wow that we've had
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so far? So I, I, I guess the biggest,
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the, the thing with World of Warcraft is that it's strongest
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suit and what's made it such a big MMO has been that vertical
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progression. We're like, oh, we have vanilla
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Wow. And then now there's a new raid.
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And then that raid kind of, you know, is a lot more powerful
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than the previous raid. And then there's a new power.
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And then now we have the burning Crusade with Ilidan.
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And then now we have with, you know, they have all these big
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characters and all these big moments that like progresses the
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game. But at this point now it's
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become a little bit of the Achilles heel, I guess of the
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the game. Because a lot of people are
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searching for a little bit more of an Evergreen experience with
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an MMO where they can invest their time in like a more of a
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horizontal versus vertical way. But when it comes to classic
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Wow, to circle back to classic plus, I think there's a lot of
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ways that they can expand upon the game in in a way where you
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stay true to what the game was or is, I suppose without having
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the power creep go crazy. I don't know how they would do
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it in terms of gearing and progression, maybe cosmetics or
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challenges or certain different unique items that will be
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utilised in certain different scenarios.
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But I, I think just expanding upon the current worlds in a way
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that would make sense for, for what it is, right?
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Stay true to a classic RPG. Don't make it too modern is what
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I'm trying to get at right. Also, I'm rambling a little bit
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here, but it's also a big thing for me to for them to work on
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zones and like different new areas and like but stones that
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would make sense because we we've had talks about I had to
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talk today about with my stream about a potential BG because
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there was a scrapped BG called Ashara with the Ashara
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battleground. There was supposed to be one
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there and that's something that they never really got to do.
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There's also the whole Kerosan thing and there's stuff in
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Uldum. There's a lot of zones within
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the game that essentially have an entrance to a new area, which
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was then explored later in the expansions, but we never really
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got to see in vanilla right. So they can do it like such, but
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how would they do it with the wild format?
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I don't know because that would go a kind of against the wild
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format with the new content and new rains, right?
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Do you think that they would benefit in trying to experiment
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with things like that? Would introduce more like
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horizontal progression, like basically making all professions
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available to everybody. Like you don't have to just
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choose three or whatever. Like stuff like that.
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Would you think would help at all?
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It's a slippery slope and it's very difficult because when you
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start changing a lot of the core fundamentals of what classic
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like vanilla Wow is it, it becomes a whole different game
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altogether, right? But I think it's about maybe
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taking what really works in the game at its base state, like the
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not no changes, but like the base of what anniversary is, for
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instance, right now in in vanilla Wow classic.
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And expanding upon that, maybe there could be some sort of a
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thing where you could enhance the professions in some way or,
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you know, make people able to use more professions or make
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them more worthwhile or stuff like that.
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Right. I, I think there's a lot of of
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great things that that OSRS has done that Wow could kind of take
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a note from, but obviously not copy because it's just different
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Mmos and a lot of things that work in Runescape won't work in
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Wow. Right.
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Do you have any like examples that you've thought of over the
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past few months that like, wow, I I hope that World of Warcraft
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looks at this and implements some kind of version of it.
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That's a difficult thing, but I, I, I think my main thing that I
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really love about old school is the fact that there's a lot of
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solo content that you can do. Cuz yeah, maybe it is.
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Maybe I'm antisocial OK, but I love in my MMO that I can do my
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own thing if I want to. 100%, you know.
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Yeah, I love yeah. So I would love to see more like
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challenges or like it, it could be like a, we have something, we
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have something involved in Legion called Mage Tower, which
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was like a solo challenge that could get harder and harder with
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no real like gear upgrades, but it was like cosmetics and like
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some cool shit, stuff like that. So like challenges and like some
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solo dungeon or solo things like that that you could do.
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I think would be really interesting if they could make
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it work in that way. Have you ever just like a side
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note on this? Because this is definitely
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related. Have you ever tried Star Wars?
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The Old Republic? The MMO?
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Oh. I very briefly, not very I have
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like 10 hours maybe in it. OK, I, I had like a super big
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phase of playing that game and you know that they definitely
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were heavily inspired from World of Warcraft, like in their, you
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know, the, the structure of combat and progression and all
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that. And the thing that they did to
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actually create solo content is make it so that you have
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companions that like follow you around and they can be a healer.
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Like you can assign them a role to play and you could like level
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them up and they follow you around.
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It's just an NPC that follows you around and like heals you
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and stuff. So essentially if it's you can
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get to Max level just single player because you have a healer
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with you kind of thing. Would you think like a system
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like that would potentially work?
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Like something that would allow you to go do content that
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already exists that wouldn't really be accessible as a solo
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player with a system like that. I I don't know how well that
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would be received. I know that's something that the
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World of Warcraft has done in Dragonfly with something called
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dill. So I don't know if you know
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about that. I don't.
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Think so. Delves is essentially like a
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solo dungeon with a with levels that you can go deeper and
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deeper. And then you have anpc called
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brand brand bronze beard that you can assign to be a healer or
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ADPS and you can essentially have a follower.
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Yeah. So they have actually done this
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in, in, in, in current retail while, but I'm not sure how well
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that would be received in, in the classic.
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Yeah, that's just, that's an interesting thing that was that
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was just the one thing I could think of for the current style.
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But yeah, yeah. So hopefully they they do if
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they, since I guess there are whispers of them, you know,
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having some sort of classic plus project, who knows how true it
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is, but hopefully they do kind of experiment with more of, you
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know, that single player MMO. But you're not alone sort of
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thing that that the vibe that old school kind of has because I
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think that's very sought after with the the current age of MMO.
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Players, yeah, yeah, I think people really like that.
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I think they've done a lot of great things as well with
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seasonal discovery, because IA lot of people say that that's
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that was like the testing ground for for classic plus it could be
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cobium, but they did a lot of cool things that there's on the
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topic that we're talking about right now.
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There was a challenge that you could do as a warrior in
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syllabus where you would go on this big tower essentially and
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then you would fight some boss with like some very rough like
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one shot mechanics. And there was no like in centric
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like there was, there's no like gear upgrade that was like
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insane. But you could get some cool
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sunglasses if you got to level 100 or something, which I
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thought was pretty cool. Don't like stuff?
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Like that, that works, but I guess to to transition a little
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bit into Yeah, that'd be interesting.
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The main topic at hand, I've been asking everybody this and I
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have a little more insight on your reason, which I'm happy
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about. But talking about the initial
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reason that you tried out Old School Runescape, because you
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were probably the first Wow streamer to really start this
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movement. But just tell me about your
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thought process of of wanting to kind of look at Old school, make
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an account, log in and try it in front of everybody.
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So I mean, obviously I've streamed World of Warcraft now
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for seven years. I started in 2018 and it's been
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my main like content that I've been doing and I've been like
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making videos on and streaming and stuff like that and it's
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been really great. I love it.
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But I reached a little bit of a point where like I got quite
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burned out of like, you know, levelling new characters and
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doing it again and doing it again.
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So I, I went into a little of a lull with it and I ended up
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doing a lot of variety gaming for my stream and my myself as
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well did like Belder's Gate and a bunch of RPGs and a bit.
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But eventually I got like, I got like that itch to, to play an
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MMO again. And I really wanted to like kind
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of delve myself into like a longer kind of experience with
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an MMO. And I've spoken to a lot of my
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friends and they always, always told me that, oh, you know, you
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got to try Old School Runescape. Like I, I think you would love
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it. Like, I think it'd be great.
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Oh, you should try it out, even if it's just for a little bit.
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And then I was like, you know what, I'm kind of a little bit
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burned out on Wow. I'm doing a lot of variety
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stuff. Maybe it's time to give it a
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try. And at first there was like OK,
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I'll do a little video series on it where I stream it for a week
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and then I'll be like my 7 days of Runescape, right?
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And that was my idea. But I never really had an idea
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to play it long term. It was just like OK, I'll table
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my toes into it, probably think it's OK and then move on.
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But. It, it, it kind of became this
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whole thing with like I, I just got so sucked into it.
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And then I had such positive feedback for my approach to the
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game as well. And it, it, it, those things
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kind of feed into each other, you know, like I'm having fun
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and then my, my YouTube and my stream is really, really
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positively, you know, engaging with my content too.
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So I was like, man, this is really something and it, it made
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me take my time a little bit more with the game rather than
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rushing it. And I think that's what made me
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really enjoy myself a lot because I was reading the
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quests. I was like, you know, trying to
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learn things blind and have this really open mind approach to it
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where I'm not trying to get anywhere fast.
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I'm just trying to play a game and have fun, right?
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And that that's, that's kind of what I tried to do with with it
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at first. Just like, OK, I'll just play
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the game and have have fun. And it turned into a lot more.
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It definitely, definitely did turn into a lot more I had
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remembered cuz I ever since the first only things I wasn't even
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a part of it. But I've I started following a
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lot of wild guys after that, just cuz, you know, Flutten was
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a part of it and I'd saw her play with so many people.
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And I remember coming across your videos.
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I think actually the first time I had seen your stream is the
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the wow video, like the my very first wow video that I made,
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like the stand alone one when I tried all of them.
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And that was the first time I'd I'd come across you is, is
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reacting to it. And then I think before that I
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realized that you'd also watched a Gary video and it, I remember
21:37
watching that one and, and you had said in there you were
21:40
thinking about trying old school and that was like a year before
21:44
you'd tried. So I like this is this has been
21:47
on your mind for a while. Like they kind of like in the in
21:49
the back of your head, like, you know, maybe I should try it out.
21:52
So to kind of have that timing come around, you know, right
21:57
after only things. Well, I guess not right after,
21:58
but you know, only things that kind of died down a few months
22:01
and everybody kind of in this, I guess this limbo of like what to
22:06
do next, cuz everyone just got done doing a huge committed
22:10
grind. And I think the timing couldn't
22:13
have been better for getting into everything.
22:15
And and I remember you saying you saw Mad season, try it out,
22:19
which is what maybe you want to kind of dive into.
22:22
Yeah, so like, I I mean, I played bowl my whole life,
22:25
right. And like I really love the
22:26
classic game. So I always thought like, oh,
22:29
what what is Runescape right, Like, right.
22:31
But I always thought like, oh man, if you Runescape is kind of
22:34
like that, you know, it's like that game you play if you don't
22:36
play Wow. So it's kind of like there was
22:38
always been like this like underlying feud between Wow and
22:41
Runescape players. But I've always wanted to try it
22:44
out to, to like, like just to see what it is.
22:47
Because I've been told by so many people that there's so much
22:50
more to it than just what it looks like at first glance,
22:54
right? Because let's be honest, it
22:55
looks quite dated, right? Yeah, but.
22:58
Absolutely. Yeah, but I've been playing with
23:01
the thought of doing it, but I never really got around to it
23:03
because I feel weird committing to an MMO when I'm already
23:06
playing Wow, right? So I'm doing Wow and I'm hopping
23:09
to Runescape and back to Wow and that stuff.
23:11
So I never really did it. And this was just like a perfect
23:14
opportunity. And I definitely, we'll be
23:16
honest, when I, I, I saw Matt Season's videos and I'm like,
23:19
damn, this looks pretty interesting.
23:21
Maybe I should give it a try, you know?
23:23
Especially the way he's playing because IBA is just completely
23:27
blind. Guide list Like that's a nutty
23:29
way to to approach the game like it's it's tough as a as a brand
23:33
new player. Like before you guys had all
23:36
come over here and and a couple of you guys trying it, you know,
23:39
completely guide list. One of my buddies named Alien
23:42
Food is doing Oh. Yeah, dude.
23:45
Quest Cape like he's just playing through the game guide
23:48
list like unguided. This is a serious name and he
23:51
had played runescape already like he's already played it and
23:54
people were that interested in someone playing guide list.
23:56
So all of you guys coming over here and actually having zero
24:00
experience with the game guide list is like a whole new level
24:03
of like Oh my God, like that's insane sort of thing.
24:07
Are you playing guide list still like are you, are you kind of
24:10
where are you at with it? So like.
24:12
For me, it's like a bit of an in between, right?
24:13
Because obviously I'm live streaming, so there's going to
24:15
be a lot of just people telling me things like randomly, right?
24:19
But quests, I, I don't look up anything, I don't use the wiki.
24:23
I do everything blind as as much as I can, right?
24:27
Because sometimes I get a little bit stuck and since I'm
24:29
streaming, I kind of want to, I don't want to get stuck on
24:32
something just to be stuck right.
24:34
So like with the fermining trials, I ran into like a part
24:37
with a where you got to go find some beer and put it into like
24:40
some crazy stuff, right? Yeah.
24:42
And it was like, dude, I don't know how to do this guys.
24:44
Please give me a hint. So like I have my give me hints
24:47
or like I had AI had a meme at some point where they were
24:50
linking me movie titles with hints, which is pretty funny.
24:54
So I I do most of it, most new concept I try to do blind, like
24:57
I try to learn bosses blind as well.
24:59
And I think that for me that's been the fun part of it.
25:03
Just being able to experience such a fleshed out MMO for the
25:07
first time. Blind is really unique.
25:11
I mean, you know this for now as well, right?
25:12
So definitely, yeah, it's it's, you know, it's a unique thing to
25:16
do when on Rune Light, there's like a built in Wikipedia button
25:20
in the top right, like near your mini map.
25:22
Like that's how much people rely on guides, even those new
25:25
players and veteran players. It's, you know, it's just a part
25:28
of the game for a lot of people. But do you remember like your
25:33
first week of playing old school?
25:37
Because I mean, you said you would had only really intended
25:38
to play for a week. And but but do you, if you
25:42
rewind and kind of like remember your first few days of playing
25:47
and experiencing it, just kind of what was going through your
25:50
mind about old school as a game? Because I'm assuming it, it had
25:53
kind of been very unexpected come coming at angles that you
25:58
didn't see. Do you remember kind of what you
26:00
were thinking as you were going through that very, very early
26:03
game? I mean, OK, this is going to
26:06
sound weird, but at first it kind of gave me a little bit of
26:09
nostalgia about being like, I don't know, 10-8 years old and
26:13
then logging into like, you know, Q8 or mini mini clip or
26:17
whatever those websites were called, the browser websites and
26:20
just booting up. Did you know Adventure Quest?
26:24
Oh yeah, I played it. I had like the permanent $20
26:27
membership to that, Yeah. Yeah, those games, it gave me
26:31
that feeling of just, I don't know, just silly, silly game in
26:36
a way, but in a in a very positive way.
26:38
But at first it was like, OK, well, this is kind of fun.
26:40
I'm like messing around. I'm learning all these crazy
26:43
mechanics like I'm learning to cook and to fish and to kill
26:46
goblins and stuff. But it slowly became more and
26:50
more like, damn, there's a lot of thought in this game.
26:53
There's a lot of like thought process put into all these
26:55
things. And I think the the biggest
26:57
thing that got me was the quests.
26:59
I think when I did the the murder mystery quest in in house
27:03
Mistalin, I think it's called. Yep, that was like, that was
27:07
really special because of like, damn, there's some good like fun
27:11
humor and like silly wittiness, which I really, really
27:14
appreciate it. But I don't know, it felt so it
27:19
felt like being lost in a new world a bit, which I really
27:22
enjoyed. Current players, like veteran
27:25
players would pay unlimited money to experience that initial
27:29
first week again, because a lot of us didn't, you know, I mean,
27:32
it's like, you know, your first week playing World of Warcraft
27:35
in 2005, you know, it's like you can't remember even the, the
27:39
whole feeling because it's been so long ago.
27:41
So that's how, you know, all of us are trying to like live
27:44
vicariously through all the you guys.
27:45
And I'm sure just watching that first week of just, you know,
27:49
not knowing what everything is, It's such a good thing to to
27:53
feel it's it's awesome. Yeah, yeah, I remember when I
27:58
watched you and all the other people come over to only things
28:02
as well, and I saw your reactions to dungeons.
28:05
I'm like. Yeah.
28:06
I remember feeling like that going to whaling caverns and.
28:10
Getting lost in the caverns. And it's one of those things
28:12
like you don't realize how precious those memories are for
28:16
players. They've been playing for a long
28:18
time. Because when I'm making those
28:19
videos that go through whaling caverns and all the dead minds,
28:24
and there's these little details that I just think of as a little
28:27
funny thing. But then it's such a big deal to
28:30
players because they're like, I can't believe that, you know,
28:33
players don't see that anymore. You know, they don't realize
28:36
that this is this way sort of thing.
28:38
So it's, it's such a special thing seeing, you know, like an
28:41
MMO that is so dear to you be experienced by somebody like in
28:46
modern day. It's it's awesome when you
28:49
started progressing your account a little bit.
28:51
This is a, a, a huge phrase that's being said.
28:55
I've been asking everyone this. It's very interesting to hear
28:57
the answers, but I'm sure you've heard it 400 times by now of
29:02
this statement that progression matters in old school Runescape.
29:07
People throw that around a lot to the point where it made me
29:10
even question whether it was still even true because of it's
29:13
like the, you know, the the psychological thing of
29:16
repetition and like everyone's saying it so much that is it
29:19
actually true sort of things I don't even know anymore because
29:22
it's not my thing to really judge.
29:24
So from a long time Wow player, when someone says you know
29:29
progression matters in old school runescape, do you agree
29:32
with that and and why or why not?
29:35
I I think the thing that that Runescape, Old School Runescape
29:39
rather has done really, really well is that they've made it so
29:43
that you feel like the things you're doing matters in the
29:47
sense that like, OK, now I'm going to barrows and I get my
29:51
Barrow drop. Now I have that for good.
29:53
Now I can utilise this for go to moons and then whenever I get my
29:57
moons items and I end up green locking the moons.
29:59
Now I have all this gear that I can forever use and I don't have
30:02
to go back. So you it's like this never
30:05
ending checklist of things that you can kind of do that will
30:08
allow you to do more things. So I think the way that the game
30:11
opens up is really great. And I also think that they've
30:16
done such a good job at making it feel rewarding and the, the
30:19
sense of like, OK, in the beginning, there's a lot of
30:22
stuff that happens, a lot of like level ups and, and items
30:25
and stuff like that. It can be very overwhelming.
30:27
But eventually it, it evens out to the point where whenever you
30:30
actually get those drops, it feels meaningful.
30:33
When it comes to World of Warcraft, it's done very
30:35
differently because a lot of the things you attain while
30:37
levelling and throughout your journey kind of gets replaced
30:41
quite quickly. And I think that's the way that
30:42
they mean like, oh, well, things matter, right?
30:45
Because when I have these things that matters.
30:47
And when I have my prayer levels, it will never go down.
30:50
I can I can have 70 prayer lockout lock back a year from
30:54
now and it's still 70 out of 99, right?
30:56
100%. So I, I really think they've
30:59
done a really good job at just firing up people's dopamine
31:03
receptors of getting a drop and then never having to farm it
31:06
again. You know, like I like, like the
31:08
other night I got my fishing barrel, you know, and I'm like,
31:11
dude, now I can fish like twice as efficiently and like, I'd
31:14
never have to get that again. You know, that like that.
31:17
I think that's that's what they've done so good.
31:19
Definitely. I guess it's very telling that,
31:23
you know, when thinking about something like Barrows, the fact
31:26
that it does become a pit stop for most players, like
31:29
especially Iron Men that's been in the game since 2005.
31:34
Like, you know, even all through the 12 years of Old School's
31:37
existence putting its own content in, you still stop at
31:40
Barrows like you're always going to be doing that.
31:43
So they've done such a good job of like, balancing all of the
31:46
progression and like the armor and, you know, monitoring power
31:49
creep and all that, which is probably one of the hardest
31:53
things to manage in developing an MMO.
31:56
Dude, I don't know how they've done it so well because like it
31:59
feels, it feels good. Like they've they've really done
32:03
a good job at at managing the power creep and making sure that
32:07
OK, you're not going to like like you're not going to get
32:10
some item and now you're twice as strong, right?
32:12
Like, it's it, it feels really good the way that the
32:16
progression works in this game, which I think is very surprising
32:19
for how much content there is to do.
32:21
Yeah, definitely. And Sardako actually talked
32:23
about this in his new video that he posted about item identity,
32:28
which I thought was really interesting because I've never
32:30
really thought about it of just the fact that when you go and
32:35
get an item, you know, it it means something.
32:37
Even if it's just like a rune scimitar.
32:39
It's like that's such an important thing that you don't
32:42
skip or you don't, you know, take for granted what do you get
32:45
it sort of thing. And it's, you know, you remember
32:48
a rune scimitar. Whereas like in World of
32:49
Warcraft when you're level 40 and you get some, you know, blue
32:52
drop somewhere. Like it's nice and it makes you
32:54
feel powerful, but you don't even remember the name of it.
32:57
Probably like unless you've played the game forever and you
32:59
just memorize all these things, like, you know, you just, it's
33:03
just an item that it's just this thing that you have and you
33:06
know, you move on from it pretty quick.
33:09
So it's just the fact that all of these items that you come
33:13
across or grind for are always going to be in your mind on your
33:18
your journey there. So it's such a cool system that
33:22
I never really thought about in that way.
33:24
That's a really cool part that they've managed to fit in the
33:27
game somehow. I don't know how they, I don't
33:29
know how they did it. I don't know.
33:31
Yeah, they've done a really good job at making things matter a
33:34
lot, like on the long term. And like you, you feel like you
33:37
build up all these different sets that has different purposes
33:40
for different like things, right?
33:41
It's like, oh, I want to use my rings, my recurring for this
33:45
boss or I want to have my tanking set when I do moon, so
33:48
the moon set I can use for this. And then there's a lot of like
33:50
things that you use for other things, which I, which is what I
33:53
think they, they've done a good job with.
33:55
You have things for certain situations, which is where the
33:59
vertical versus horizontal thing comes into play, right?
34:01
Where like it's not like a power creep was like, now you get a
34:05
new axe and now this axe is 10% better or 50% better.
34:08
It's a different axe for a different purpose.
34:11
Right. Yeah, it's such a good system
34:15
that kind of like, you know, intertwines with each other and
34:17
it, it's just, it's great. It's they, I mean, they had a
34:21
really good foundation, like the old school team had a really
34:23
good foundation to start with. You know, you got to give, give
34:26
them a credit from, you know, the 2007 and before days.
34:30
Like, you know, they, they set it up nicely and but they've
34:32
done an incredible job at kind of managing it over the years.
34:37
Do you personally have a favorite grind that you've done
34:40
so far? A favorite grind when you say?
34:43
I mean, people always get very picky when you talk about grinds
34:47
in this game. I'm saying anything I'm saying
34:49
if whether you liked standing still at a sand crab for a week
34:53
straight or if you wanted to get to a certain, you know, finish a
34:57
certain storyline for the quests to get an item or just to have
35:01
the quest line done. Like what?
35:03
When you look back at some of like the most enjoyable times so
35:07
far, what what comes to mind first?
35:10
The biggest moment for me obviously is getting my fire
35:13
Cape, like going into the fire caves lined and like seeing Jad
35:18
and getting one shot and then like learning him afterwards.
35:22
That is by far the biggest moment for me.
35:25
But I I think like bosses. I love doing bosses.
35:29
I've recently learned to do Suram and I love PBM in this
35:32
game. I think it's really good.
35:34
So I would say like the fire cave bossing and inquesting.
35:38
I've been really a big fan of questing in this game.
35:41
I think it's been so amazing and I'm really excited for Blood
35:43
Moon Rises next year because Since of the Father is still my
35:45
favorite quest. Oh yeah, it's a great, great
35:47
quest line. Yeah, yeah.
35:49
Big fan of quest personally, for some reason, I don't know why,
35:52
but I do love quests. Oh yeah.
35:55
I've noticed that. Definitely always been my
35:59
favorite. It's just, I love the the fact
36:02
that, you know, our player never in this version of Runescape,
36:06
not the not in the other one, but in this version, you know,
36:09
our player never exceeds an adventurer.
36:13
You know that you're never a champion or hero or anything
36:15
like that. You're just a guy, which is so
36:17
it has this charm. Yeah.
36:19
You stumble into things by accident, you mess things up.
36:21
And then you suddenly like, it's so funny looking at all the
36:24
quest storylines because half of them it's like you, you're, you
36:26
find yourself in, in this like extraordinary situation, like
36:30
this world ending if you don't do anything about its situation.
36:34
But half the time you started that situation like because you
36:37
did something you weren't supposed to, which is really,
36:39
really funny. Like it's a very funny story
36:42
that we experienced. Somehow, some way, it works out.
36:47
Miraculously, it works out somehow.
36:50
And even then, when it works out, no one's really
36:53
congratulating you. They're kind of just like, yeah,
36:55
well, that was your fault to begin with.
36:57
So good, I guess. Good job, but don't let that
37:00
happen again. Sort of.
37:01
Things please don't come here again.
37:03
It's a great vibe. Like I love that.
37:06
Yeah, I love it. So I'm glad you like the quest.
37:07
It's like itself, too Seriously. I'm glad.
37:09
Oh, it's amazing because I mean, it's pretty meta nowadays even
37:12
as new players to just kind of toggle on the quest helper and.
37:16
Oh, I love it. I love the dialogue and the
37:18
wittiness and like it's so good. They they nailed it, especially
37:22
the new ones like the new quest coming out that the old school
37:25
team's writing like they've got some crazy creativity that I'm
37:29
so excited to see what they do after this.
37:33
Real quick, you said that you've been doing some bossing.
37:36
What like bossing have you done so far?
37:38
I mean, I'll sort of raids of course I've done TOA, but I've
37:43
done Barrows, I've done some Vorcath, I've done some moons,
37:48
obviously a ton of moons. And I have recently learned Sora
37:53
how to do Sora. So I've killed Sora 26 Times Now
37:57
as well, which I also tried to learn blind.
37:59
Nice. Yeah, Zolra.
38:01
Not my favorite content to say the least.
38:03
I do not I. Really like it actually.
38:06
Really do you yeah, I guess I never I never took the time to
38:08
really learn it because I I never did the grind on an Iron
38:11
Man and I wasn't going to do the grind on a main account for no
38:13
reason. So I've never really like, you
38:15
know, done the traditional learn Zolra rotation and, you know,
38:20
just grind it out for a while, but I'm sure it'll have to
38:24
happen eventually. But that's cool.
38:27
That's cool. The bossing has been enjoyable.
38:30
Moons is so cool. I thought that's a that's a dope
38:33
place. Yeah.
38:35
When it comes to you know, your current, like you know, present
38:38
day right now journey of old school, you know, twitch
38:42
audience aside, YouTube success aside, why do you find yourself
38:46
still logging in and playing in terms of you know, do you have
38:51
some long term goals in mind or is it kind of just like you like
38:55
living in the moment playing or you know where are you at in
38:58
that sense? I.
39:00
Mean generally I'm a very goal oriented person and I I like
39:03
challenging myself So for the time being for me it's like I
39:07
want to finish off the quest Cape, which I have currently 23
39:11
more quests to go and after that I want to try to take on inferno
39:15
Cape. I want to see if I can learn
39:17
that and then do that and then to kind of take it as it goes.
39:20
But I, I, I like challenges and I like having like goals to work
39:23
on and stuff like that. And so far I think Runescape has
39:28
been great at keeping me busy and keeping me interested
39:32
because whenever I finish a current thing, there's already
39:36
another thing which I really like.
39:37
I don't know if it'll be like that forever, but for the time
39:42
being, I really enjoy learning bosses and learning quests and
39:46
learning rates and, and challenges.
39:48
So that that's probably what I've been enjoying a lot with
39:51
with the game. Yeah, your pace has definitely
39:54
felt very natural, especially compared to a lot of the the WOW
39:57
guys so far. I'm a turtle man.
40:00
Yeah, it's the best way to do it and it is it is by far the best
40:04
way to go about it, which I'm really glad because it felt like
40:08
when all the Wow guys were coming over, everyone's got Wow
40:12
brain initially of, you know, the best way to that, you know,
40:17
it was put so far was that it it feels like every Wow expansion,
40:22
like kind of no matter what Wow you're logged into, it almost
40:26
feels like you are on a timer, like you're yeah, you need to
40:31
get to that end game point, that best in slot point before the
40:37
next patch happens or before the next expansion happens.
40:39
Like you are constantly rushing to that point with everybody.
40:44
I think a lot of that also comes to to with the fact that it's
40:47
like a content race, because if you're the first ball person to
40:50
do this, then like a lot of people will, you know, be hyped
40:53
about it. So like it's like, yeah, it's
40:55
like a race between content and then also between like, I don't
40:59
know, just experiencing everything.
41:01
And then I think also like the a lot of the ball people are very
41:05
competitive with each other, so they want to like kind of like
41:08
push each other, which is fucking crazy because they're
41:10
all playing like 1618 hours a day.
41:12
Yeah. But yeah, you're right,
41:13
certainly. Right.
41:14
That's probably the fastest paced new player I've ever seen
41:19
ever. Crazy.
41:20
I don't know. I don't know.
41:22
He is just a gamer at heart. He's already messaging me about
41:27
Inferno and I was like, hate to break it to you brother, but
41:30
I've procrastinated that content for about 7 years now.
41:33
So move along to the next OSRS guy.
41:36
So, but it just goes to show like you don't need to rush
41:41
content ever during your time playing.
41:45
So it's, it's very funny watching like all the the Wow
41:48
guys like the fact that there's so many Wow guys doing raids
41:51
already like going and doing chambers of Zurich together.
41:55
It's like, dude, you guys know you can crazy relax a little
41:58
bit. Rightly, you're doing content
42:00
that was out in 2017 like this. It's not going anywhere and
42:05
you're still going to be here. So you don't have to do this
42:07
like, but if they're loving it, then why not, you know?
42:10
I think you get, you get caught up in the hype, right?
42:12
You get caught up in the and you want to just keep going and it
42:15
just goes crazy I guess. Have you personally felt like
42:18
any of that, like Speaking of FOMO, like have you felt any of
42:21
that knowing that these guys are kind of doing that end game
42:25
content? Not really because I, I went
42:28
into this with the approach of just having fun and then trying
42:31
to experience a game. I'm, I'm not trying to race
42:34
anyone. I, I've been having a lot of fun
42:36
playing it with, with that in mind.
42:39
They're like, OK, I'm just trying to like have fun and like
42:42
explore the game. I don't want to try to rush
42:44
anything. So I play pretty slow compared
42:47
to the other wild people, but I I haven't really felt like I
42:50
need to speed up my stuff because of that, no.
42:54
That's good. That's very good mentality to
42:56
have. Yeah, most updates I have a
43:00
little sprinkle of FOMO because a lot of my friends that play
43:04
are so fast at doing things like day one need to start completing
43:08
it, need to video out, need to like go record myself completing
43:11
it sort of thing. And I'm just like, man, we're
43:14
still going to need to do this anyway, like a few months from
43:16
now whenever we're going to progress.
43:18
So like, I don't really want to do it day one.
43:20
Like let me wait a second. I don't want to do that.
43:23
So I I'm constantly feeling that little, little bit of it of just
43:28
like, Oh yeah, that looks cool. Like, I wish I was doing that
43:30
with you guys right now, but you know, it's fine.
43:34
Yeah, definitely. Just take.
43:35
Your time with things, definitely just on your own
43:37
piece. But I guess recently there's
43:38
been, we kind of knew that after all the Wow guys came over,
43:41
there was going to be a few that did what you initially wanted to
43:47
do of just kind of trying it for a week or two and then, you
43:49
know, backing out. And then there's also guys like
43:53
Shobeck who are kind of hitting this like obstacle in the road
43:55
right now of like, you know, not really feeling it, not really
43:59
motivated. Why do you think that is that
44:03
some of these guys just kind of went back to Wow or just stopped
44:07
playing entirely, you know, rather than sticking around like
44:10
a big chunk of you guys did. I.
44:12
Mean there could be a lot of reasons for it, right Maybe it's
44:14
not like a game they had intentions of like maning down
44:17
the road for years to come right Maybe it's something they just
44:19
like, OK, let me see how this game is and check out the MMO
44:22
and and feel out the how the grass is on the other side of
44:26
the fence right and then go back to my own thing and maybe come
44:29
back and check it later again or maybe some people like damn, OK,
44:33
this game has a lot to offer. Let me play it a lot way too a
44:37
lot and then burn out and then like feel like I have to do
44:40
something else because I've played it like 20 hours a day
44:43
but ultimately like I'm I'm just happy that people are giving it
44:46
a try and will all of them play forever?
44:49
No, probably not. I think it's very few people
44:52
that will but I I can speak for myself that like I I definitely
44:56
learned to appreciate a lot of what Runescape is and the
44:59
community and the game and stuff like that and I think that's
45:03
something that I didn't really expect to happen this way.
45:05
I think a lot of people from the Runescape community perhaps
45:08
expected while players to join, shit on the game and leave,
45:11
right. Yeah.
45:12
So I think I think it's been overall a very positive
45:15
experience for for most people. But some people won't play
45:18
forever. And I think that's fine.
45:20
You know, you're not forced to play a game.
45:21
I I I think it's, it's good just giving it a try and playing once
45:25
in a while if you feel like it or playing it a whole ton, like
45:27
like a joker, right? Like I think it's OK, but like,
45:30
I don't know, some people probably burned out and some
45:32
others just wanted to check out how it was and then had no more
45:35
intentions of playing long term, right?
45:37
Yeah, I I just had wondered if, you know, for a lot of these
45:40
guys, it's because it really is the the amount of trends that I
45:44
saw when everyone was was trying it for the first time of just
45:48
this very. You know, your brain is so
45:50
attuned to vertical progression and kind of like seeing a list
45:55
and going down the line and following a path like that's set
45:57
for you kind of thing. And and so it's such a different
46:01
experience and different mentality.
46:04
And especially when a lot of the guys were, you know, logging in
46:08
1214 hours a day, you know, just go in full throttle.
46:12
It's like, man, that that can burn you out so fast, so
46:17
abruptly. It's like it's almost not
46:20
surprising that a lot of the the guys were I.
46:23
Mean. Kind of clocking out basically.
46:26
If you put in that many hours on it, it's I mean that's insane.
46:29
I mean I'm playing a lot. I, I, I play like, you know, 678
46:33
hours, you know, most days, but I, I still like, I do some other
46:37
games, I delve into other content and I still plan on
46:39
doing that. It's not like now I play
46:41
Runescape forever, but I've, I've really have been enjoying
46:44
my journey so far with the game. And I'm definitely, you know, I
46:49
it's, it's a game that like, OK man.
46:51
Like even if I one day maybe don't play as much, I would
46:54
still be really hyped for new content and new quests and
46:57
stuff. Because, you know, I wouldn't
46:59
have played it for over 100 days if it was just for, like, you
47:02
know, a quick detour, I guess, Yeah.
47:05
But yeah, definitely not. Yeah, it's it's good that it's
47:08
kind of become that. I guess on that note, do you see
47:11
yourself continuing OSRS down the road like for, I mean, I
47:16
don't wanna say years to come, but maybe years to come, who
47:19
knows. Do you think it's become like a
47:21
permanent part of your cool belt of games to play?
47:25
Yeah, I would say so. I don't know if it's a game
47:26
I'll, I'll main forever. Like now this is my main thing
47:29
and I'm going to just play it forever.
47:30
But yeah, it's a game that I've really come to appreciate and
47:33
it's definitely a game I'll even if I stop playing at some point,
47:36
I'll be able to come back to and play again.
47:37
And that's where it's great that like I don't lose my progress if
47:41
I one day feel burned out or I want to do some other stuff a
47:43
bit. I, I wouldn't feel forced to, to
47:47
have the FOMO of like, oh man, now I lose my progress because I
47:50
can just start playing again if I feel like it, right?
47:52
And I think that's a really good thing.
47:54
Yeah, 100. Percent.
47:55
Yeah, that's good. When it when it comes to, you
47:58
know, 'cause right now I think Grid Masters probably the first
48:02
like temporary game mode that you've seen come out and it's
48:06
the first temporary game mode we've had that's not dead man
48:08
mode or leagues. Do you see yourself, I guess
48:13
probably this first one like that, since everyone's kind of
48:15
new, it's not the most appealing thing because it kind of getting
48:18
the content organically in the main servers is probably the
48:21
best course of action there. But do you see yourself playing
48:25
future temporary game modes like that, like participating, even
48:28
if you're kind of like on a hiatus from old school?
48:30
Oh yeah. I think that'll be great.
48:32
I think that'll be awesome. I mean, for sure, I, I, I think
48:36
temporary game modes are a really good like reprieve from
48:38
like the main game and make sure like just have fun with it and
48:41
see the game in a different light, right?
48:42
Even for myself, the Gridmaster was really fun to play for two
48:46
days. I got really, I got a little bit
48:48
burned out on it, I won't lie, because it was too much
48:51
happening. Yeah, there's a lot going on.
48:54
But yeah, I mean, if there's ever a future league, I would
48:56
definitely be down to check it out, especially if I knew more
48:59
about the end game and more bosses and stuff, you know,
49:01
because then you can see how fast you can do those or
49:04
whatever. Yeah, yeah, it definitely helps
49:06
with. I know Jag X kind of takes the
49:08
approach of like, you know, maybe this can introduce new
49:12
players or casual players to more end game content to kind of
49:16
give them an introduction to it. But it it also is a very it
49:20
could be very overwhelming. So that that that makes sense.
49:24
I hadn't asked anyone else this, but I feel like it could be
49:27
since you are pretty deep in the old school community at this
49:31
point and you know, you've got an audience that's, you know,
49:34
coming from both games and you've you've just seen this big
49:38
surge looking at Soda Poppin. I've talked to him a little bit
49:44
just, you know, privately because he's not just taking a
49:47
break from old school, he's taking a break from streaming
49:49
entirely. So it's like a whole different
49:51
situation. But he did experience this
49:53
little like, I guess tribalism from the old school community
49:57
just because he went and played Wow for like a few days.
50:00
Granted, it was a very loud minority, but it it was enough
50:05
to just kind of make him like upset with the old school
50:08
community. So as a streamer with a large
50:11
audience, does that kind of give you any worry to the, you know,
50:16
go back to Wow or try and put OSRS down for a little bit or
50:21
what? What's your mentality behind,
50:23
you know, making sure that you know, this doesn't pigeonhole
50:27
you into just like OSRS? Yeah.
50:29
I mean, as a content creator, it's always something that you
50:31
gotta keep in mind whenever you're doing something that if
50:34
you're doing a game that has a very, very strong community and
50:38
you end up doing something else, they might not be very happy
50:40
with you. But ultimately for me, as long
50:43
as I am currently enjoying what I'm doing and I'm having fun
50:46
with it, I'll do it. But that's what I said as well.
50:49
Like, I don't know how if I'll keep playing this game.
50:51
Maybe one day I'll do something else and come back to Runescape
50:53
later. And there might be some people
50:55
that would be unhappy with that, given that's probably a vocal,
50:58
vocal minority, but it happens and it's something you got to
51:02
keep in mind. And I don't know, I, I try not
51:05
to get to me too much because I, I, I'm just trying to have fun
51:09
with the games, right? And then enjoy myself.
51:11
I've definitely noticed that sometimes we're like, I'm doing
51:13
other games. I'm like, where's Runescape?
51:16
Or did you quit Runescape? Did you?
51:17
Quit. Yeah.
51:18
Yeah, and it's becoming a little bit of a meme, I guess in the
51:20
stream, but there are some people that genuinely wonder,
51:22
right? Yeah, I've noticed Showbik has
51:25
gotten quite a lot of backlash for his his sudden, you know,
51:28
break or quitting or whatever, which is a little bit sad.
51:31
I think it's also like a lot of vocal minorities.
51:34
Maybe it's also because he, you know, banter a little bit back
51:38
and it like snowballed and stuff, but.
51:40
Yeah, I think so. You.
51:41
Know it's yeah, but it's a bit unfortunate that it can get to
51:45
the point where people are, you know, getting very annoyed with
51:48
a with a streamer doing something different.
51:50
But I think ultimately they just want people to enjoy their game.
51:54
And you know, but again, it can definitely, it can definitely
51:58
spin out of control a bit. But you know, just because
52:01
someone is not playing your game for a little bit doesn't mean
52:03
that they hate it, right? Yeah, I've always tried to
52:05
advocate, you know, for streamers and content creators
52:08
to just do what they're enjoying because it's, as an audience
52:12
member, it's usually pretty easy to tell, you know, whether
52:15
they're enjoying what they're doing or not.
52:19
So it's, I think I think it's important and healthy,
52:24
especially to not just play one game, you know, like to broaden
52:28
the horizon a little bit, but. I, I love Runescape and I've
52:31
been playing it majority for like the past 100 days now, 1/4
52:34
of a year almost. But I've also been like doing
52:37
different variety games. I'm playing through like Zelda
52:39
and like a bunch of other stuff that I've ever done, and I'll
52:42
continue to do that because I like it and a lot of my
52:45
community members in my stream likes it, right?
52:48
As much as I still enjoy Runescape, I also want to do
52:50
other things right. Yeah, especially as someone that
52:54
you know, you've definitely taken the opportunity to kind of
53:00
express a lot of different opinions on game elements and
53:05
different parts of games, especially Runescape and Wow.
53:09
And I feel like playing other games, whether it's another MMO
53:12
or just an RPG like Baldur's Gate, it, it gives you insight
53:16
into different game worlds that can help kind of give some
53:21
insight when there's discussions happening for, for updates or
53:25
directions to take and just kind of talking with an audience
53:28
about what's going on or what your thoughts are.
53:31
So I, I've, I've found that it helps a lot for, you know, video
53:35
essays. And I'm sure whenever you're
53:36
talking with chat about stuff, it's definitely influenced a
53:39
little bit to think about other things you've played.
53:43
Yeah, I mean, a lot of my stuff is definitely like more live
53:45
conversations and stuff. I, I, I don't like think I like,
53:48
I don't like do like big essays like you do, but it, it still
53:51
really helps in like formulating your thoughts or like thinking
53:54
about certain mechanics in different lights, right?
53:56
100% So I guess one last question here.
53:59
So it's probably the most important one.
54:01
It's not, it's not even close. What would you rate Old School
54:06
Runescape out of 10? Oh.
54:11
Man, that's a big question, huh? Out of 10?
54:15
I mean, obviously I I can rate it out of what I have seen so
54:19
far and it obviously in the MMO, you know, space I guess yeah
54:24
man, I don't that's hard it. Is it is.
54:27
Really good it. Before I say though, I will say
54:31
Runescape knows exactly what it is.
54:35
And it it is, it is unapologetically itself.
54:38
And I think that's what makes it so good because if you like this
54:42
type of game, it is the perfect game.
54:44
But it's not for everybody. But for me, from what I've
54:48
played, I mean, I don't know, at least like an 8 or a nine, I
54:52
think, yeah, it's a really, it's the game that it is.
54:59
It's a really old school style MMO and you get what you get,
55:03
right. And I think it does what it does
55:07
good. Yeah, I'm trying to formulate my
55:09
words here. I'm not really getting them out.
55:10
Right, I get what you say I. Completely hopefully what I'm
55:15
saying is coming across a. 100% but I mean, anything Old School
55:20
Runescape related that you've been thinking about during the
55:24
conversation that we didn't really cover?
55:26
On the top of my head, I can't really think of anything at the
55:29
moment. I feel like we've covered a
55:30
broad aspect of it. Yeah, anything you don't like
55:33
about old school that just really grinds your gears when
55:36
you log in. You know what I hate The
55:40
community. No.
55:41
I suck. Fuck him.
55:44
No, I don't know. Not on the top of my head.
55:46
No, I think it does what it does well.
55:49
And it's not a game for everybody, but that's OK because
55:53
for the people that like it, it's a freaking amazing game.
55:55
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
55:58
It just makes me think of it. All you guys came over here.
56:01
And then when it comes to old school understands its own
56:05
identity, you know, we get the the gem crab like immediately
56:09
when you guys come over here, it's like, oh, yeah, here's a
56:10
crab that you stand at for 10 minutes at a time.
56:13
It's like, we were already doing this anyway.
56:14
But now, Yep, you don't have to fight for a world for it
56:16
anymore. It's like, oh, it's like, OK,
56:18
you guys know what this game is like, you know what your own
56:21
game is? Go.
56:21
What's up? Yeah.
56:23
So that was it was good timing, I guess.
56:25
That's awesome. Yeah, that was.
56:28
Well, I think we've been talking for almost exactly an hour or
56:31
so. That's awesome, man.
56:32
Perfect timing, I guess. Yeah, that was good.
56:34
Yeah, man, thank you so much for taking time out, especially
56:37
after stream. I know how tough it is after
56:39
stream to do anything whatsoever, so I really
56:42
appreciate you doing that after you're of course a long stream
56:45
like that. Man, that's awesome.
56:47
No. You're good of course man, it
56:48
was a fun conversation. Glad that you had me in mind for
56:50
it. Yeah, 100%.
56:52
There's no way I wouldn't. This is still a way.
56:55
Yeah, man, I, I hope your your journey is going to be even
56:59
better than you expect from here on out.
57:01
I think a lot of people are just everyday looking forward to
57:05
seeing what you're up to on old school.
57:07
Even if you know, you take a break from it, I'm sure you're
57:10
always going to have people that are interested in what whatever
57:12
journey you got going on. So.
57:15
It'll, it'll definitely be a game I can always see myself
57:18
playing and and enjoying. So that that's been a big eye
57:21
opener for me for sure. A. 100% dude.
57:22
Oh yeah, Thank you so much. Once again, a huge thank you to
57:26
Guzu for joining me today after his stream.
57:28
Takes the endurance of a champion to do things like that.
57:31
Super thankful that he gave this game a shot that, you know,
57:34
caused that domino effect and brought so many creators, so
57:38
many great creators over to old school.
57:40
Guzu's links are all down below. Make sure to go stop in while
57:43
he's streaming, Say hi, follow his eyes YouTube, subscribe to
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his Youtubes, go support him any way you can.
57:48
Next episode's guest is one of the sweatiest gamers of all
57:52
sweaty gamers, a master of efficiency, a speed demon.
57:56
He was one of the last Wow streamers to try old school, and
57:59
I'm pretty sure he's got the highest total level out of all
58:02
of them, which is no surprise considering he was the very
58:05
first player to hit level 60 in the 2019 original release of
58:09
Classic Wow. I'll see you guys next episode
58:12
when we talk with Joker.