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The Ron Verb Show - 5pm Hour Friday, 08/07/26 · Ron Verb

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Speaker 1: Ron Verb on NewsRadio 570 WKBN. All right, from NewsRadio
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Speaker 1: 570 WKBN and Ron Verb. So Fauci, you took the
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Speaker 1: fifth too often, and you liked Rand Paul and the
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Speaker 1: people that were attacked and silenced during the whole COVID situation.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I have to say, Dr. Fauci more than
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Speaker 2: arguably broke the law in trying to ask for the
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Speaker 2: Fifth Amendment on issues where he's received a presidential pardon,
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Speaker 2: and that's exactly why the Senate... has voted to hold
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Speaker 2: him in contempt, he's taking the fifth where he has
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Speaker 2: no criminal liability. He's taking the fifth on issues for
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Speaker 2: which he was formally pardoned. And you can't have it
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Speaker 2: both ways. But once again, Dr. Fauci doesn't want to
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Speaker 2: take responsibility for locking down the country. He doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to take responsibility for demanding masking and social distancing, all
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Speaker 2: things that have been discredited by this point. It's really
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Speaker 2: a shame that instead of having honest medical advice that
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Speaker 2: relied on tried and true science and research, we had
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Speaker 2: a power-hungry, self-obsessed narcissist in charge. And when you look
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Speaker 2: at the excerpts from Dr. Fauci's diary, it's frightening, Ron.
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Speaker 2: You're looking in the mind of a self-absorbed psychopath. Agreed.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing on the Democrats' side... The strangest people get
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Speaker 1: to winning these primaries, Democrats, Socialists, is the category they
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Speaker 1: fall into. What do you make of those candidates? And
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Speaker 1: why do you suspect in the United States of America
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Speaker 1: they're winning these party elections?
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Speaker 2: Remember that Nazi just meant National Socialist Labor Party. Socialism
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Speaker 2: is dangerous. It has killed people. Countless millions of people
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Speaker 2: over the ages. And if you voluntarily accept the term socialism,
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Speaker 2: if you're not just being attacked, oh, he's a socialist.
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Speaker 2: If you yourself claim the term, you're a dangerous person.
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Speaker 1: But they're winning in the United States of America. It's
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Speaker 1: as though people are saying they don't believe in capitalism anymore.
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Speaker 1: We have young people, and I'd like to know your
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Speaker 1: comments about it, that are they frustrated to say, listen,
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Speaker 1: I'm playing by all the rules, I'm making some decent money,
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Speaker 1: but I can't afford a car, they're $ 50, 000, or a
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Speaker 1: home anymore, or I'm just not able to make it
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Speaker 1: anymore because everything is so damn expensive. that you hear
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Speaker 1: from a lot of younger people, fair argument to make.
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Speaker 1: Is that why they're leading to these Democrat socialists and
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Speaker 1: voting that way?
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Speaker 2: I think so, but what folks are failing to understand
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Speaker 2: is the reason prices are so high, the reason life
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Speaker 2: has become so unfair, is precisely because so many of
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Speaker 2: these socialists have been elected. Real capitalism, true free markets...
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Speaker 2: mean a growing pie and rising tides that lift all
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Speaker 2: of our boats. The reason we're having such a hard
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Speaker 2: time is the socialists are raising our taxes, they're over-regulating us,
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Speaker 2: and ultimately they're killing our economy. If you want to
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Speaker 2: have a better life and more upward social mobility, we
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Speaker 2: need capitalism. We need democracy. Socialism and communism are precisely
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Speaker 2: the reason why countries die. It creates a permanent lower class.
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Speaker 2: for the dictator to rule over. And guess what? Your
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Speaker 2: odds of being the dictator ain't great.
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Speaker 1: Right. But take a look at New York City and
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Speaker 1: who they elected mayor. It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: It is, and they're already regretting it. I think that
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Speaker 2: folks believe that socialism is just like a fair form
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Speaker 2: of capitalism. They don't understand that it's essentially just a kinder,
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Speaker 2: gentler name for communism. There's really not a huge difference
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Speaker 2: between socialism and communism. They both end in the same
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Speaker 2: place where the government ultimately controls virtually everything. and a
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Speaker 2: handful of people hold all of the wealth. And once again,
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Speaker 2: the odds of you being in that handful of elites
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Speaker 2: are not very good. I used to joke with my
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Speaker 2: communist friends, okay, you win, we'll have communism, but I
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Speaker 2: get to be the dictator and you get to be
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Speaker 2: the peasant. Oh, that doesn't sound so good? Well, guess what?
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Speaker 2: Your odds of being the dictator are not in a
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Speaker 2: country of hundreds of millions of people. You're going to
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Speaker 2: be the dictator? You're going to be the one?
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Speaker 1: No, you're not.
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Speaker 2: Communism is only good for the handful of elites that
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Speaker 2: rule society, and socialism is communism-lite.
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Speaker 1: What did you think about the amount of money spent
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Speaker 1: against Tom Massey, and he was defeated as a congressman,
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Speaker 1: with a lot of special interest money coming into that district?
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Speaker 2: I think that there are two very different narratives about
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Speaker 2: the race with Thomas Massey. And I think that folks
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Speaker 2: try to emphasize one over the other. But I really
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Speaker 2: think it's simpler than the narrative of he was fighting
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Speaker 2: the powers that be. I think that Thomas Massey continued
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Speaker 2: to vote against Trump's premier and most important legislation. Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump did not endorse him for reelection, and he lost.
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Speaker 2: President Trump has had a very strong record of winning primaries,
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Speaker 2: and Congressman Massey just refused to vote with the president
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Speaker 2: on his marquee legislation, and Trump said, we need somebody
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Speaker 2: new in there. I really think it's that simple. The
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Speaker 2: Massey that I admire is Brian Massey. I think Tom
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Speaker 2: Massey kind of got drunk on power, and he started
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Speaker 2: voting like a liberal against President Trump.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that as Trump lost his focus, as
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Speaker 1: he lost putting the American agenda first, as we've gotten
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Speaker 1: involved in this war with Iran and regime change and
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Speaker 1: things that he said he spoke against when he was running,
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Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts about this Iran situation
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Speaker 1: and the oil situation and the inflation that's coming from it?
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Speaker 2: Not at all. I think that President Trump has been
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Speaker 2: remarkably consistent with his foreign policy, where other presidents... have
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Speaker 2: had long-term occupations, boots on the ground, armies marching across subcontinents.
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Speaker 2: President Trump has always been a surgeon. He strategically bombs
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Speaker 2: negative assets. And while there is certainly a cost to that,
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Speaker 2: both in human life and in money, compared to ground assaults,
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Speaker 2: President Trump is a surgeon where other presidents have played general.
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Speaker 2: And so I think that with Iran, we continue to
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Speaker 2: see the Trump doctrine at play. He said, I am
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Speaker 2: not going to allow you to have a nuclear bomb,
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Speaker 2: and he stopped them. And the reality, Ron, is that
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Speaker 2: if he did nothing... and a nuclear bomb went off
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Speaker 2: in Tel Aviv or New York City, either one, everyone
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Speaker 2: on planet Earth would say, why didn't President Trump act?
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Speaker 2: A few missiles could have prevented this disaster. Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: did what had to be done, and now he's working
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Speaker 2: to have a quick resolution to the conflict in Iran,
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Speaker 2: in a world where most wars take years and decades.
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Speaker 2: We're talking months. Once again, President Trump is a surgeon
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Speaker 2: where most other presidents have played general, and I think
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Speaker 2: you're continuing to see his policy succeed. The cost has
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Speaker 2: been far less, and the benefit is incalculable because, once again,
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Speaker 2: in a world with weapons of mass destruction, Ron, it
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Speaker 2: takes one virus to It takes one nuclear bomb. It
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Speaker 2: takes one dirty bomb to kill millions of people. And
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Speaker 2: when you see Iran literally launch missiles at every surrounding country,
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Speaker 2: including its allies, we realize that they have no loyalties.
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Speaker 2: They're not even really a government. They are a terrorist-run state,
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Speaker 2: and they cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 1: Why is it not a reality to get this SAVE
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Speaker 1: Act when it comes to voting passed by Republicans that
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Speaker 1: are not, some that aren't supporting it, and Democrats that
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Speaker 1: are not? Why is it such a big deal to
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Speaker 1: say you have to be a citizen and you have
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Speaker 1: to have an ID to vote? And why hasn't that
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Speaker 1: been successful in Trump getting it accomplished?
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, Ron. 80% of Americans reliably support
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Speaker 2: the SAVE Act. and requiring photo ID to vote. If
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Speaker 2: you need photo ID to go on a plane or
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Speaker 2: to tour the Barack Obama Presidential Library, you should have
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Speaker 2: photo ID for the most important thing, for the right
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Speaker 2: to vote. 80% plus of Americans agree. Why hasn't it
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Speaker 2: passed Congress? I'm not the first to say it, but
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Speaker 2: I will say it loud and proud. The problem we
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Speaker 2: have is half the Republicans are really Democrats and half
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Speaker 2: the Democrats.
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Speaker 3: Are really communists.
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Speaker 1: I got to digest that for a minute. But I
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Speaker 1: think it's true. Are you a little bit disappointed that
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Speaker 1: some of the executive orders that Trump put out have
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Speaker 1: not been put into law, that the Republican Party, though
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Speaker 1: it's in charge, hasn't done more?
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Speaker 2: I'm very disappointed because we know that there will be
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Speaker 2: presidents who disagree with Trump in the future. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's the nature of living in a massive constitutional republic
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Speaker 2: from sea to shining sea. And if you don't put
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Speaker 2: something in the law, it doesn't have staying power because
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Speaker 2: the very moment a president who disagrees with you comes
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Speaker 2: into office, they overrule every executive order. You know, Trump overruled.
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Speaker 2: pretty much all of Obama's executive orders. Biden overrode Trump's.
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Speaker 2: Trump's overridden Biden's. I don't want the reforms that are
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Speaker 2: protecting my right to vote and your right to vote.
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Speaker 2: I don't want the reforms... that are protecting our Constitution.
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Speaker 2: I don't want those to be wiped away with a
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Speaker 2: swipe of a pen. These executive orders should have been
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Speaker 2: codified a long time ago. And you're right, Ron. We've
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Speaker 2: got too many rhinos in Congress who secretly don't support
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Speaker 2: our president. And while they're not brave enough to come
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Speaker 2: right out and say it, we're seeing it in their
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Speaker 2: actions and the fact that we just can't get this
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Speaker 2: legislation through Congress, even though we have majorities in both houses.
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about tariffs?
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Speaker 2: I think that Donald Trump is the first president in
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Speaker 2: modern history to push back on the loss of American jobs,
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Speaker 2: particularly manufacturing jobs, to China and overseas. And tariffs are
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Speaker 2: an important tool in the toolkit as part of that.
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Speaker 2: I think the federal courts have inappropriately intervened on these issues.
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Speaker 2: I think President Trump acted well within his presidential authority
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Speaker 2: to levy these tariffs. And we saw incredibly positive results.
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Speaker 2: Look how country after country came to the table and
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Speaker 2: cut their tariffs, cut their fees on American products in
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Speaker 2: response to Trump's policy. He has improved our trading position
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Speaker 2: with the world foundationally in a way that no president
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Speaker 2: before him has. Where Bill Clinton and company gave us
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Speaker 2: NAFTA and we lost American jobs, the hollowing out in
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Speaker 2: the Midwest, Donald Trump has been bringing them back. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: his hands have been tied too many times by the
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Speaker 2: federal courts. And frankly, those unelected judges should be ashamed
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Speaker 2: of themselves because they're not just hurting President Trump. They're
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Speaker 2: hurting the American worker who continues to be at a
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Speaker 2: distinct disadvantage to countries that are using unfair trade practices and, frankly,
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Speaker 2: even using slaves to compete with our workers. I'm sorry, folks,
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Speaker 2: but there are effectively slaves in China and Africa working
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Speaker 2: in factories in countries in inhuman conditions. And then they
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Speaker 2: say to workers in the United States, compete with that cost.
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Speaker 2: You can't compete with free labor. And we should not
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Speaker 2: allow those products to compete with American products. How do
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Speaker 2: we even the playing field? You tear up those slave
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Speaker 2: labor products and you don't reward a country for torturing
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Speaker 2: its own citizenry.
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Speaker 1: Do you think we're getting at a point like if,
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Speaker 1: for example, if I stand in front of a judge,
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Speaker 1: politics shouldn't be a factor at all. It should be
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Speaker 1: what is what are the facts of the case? What
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Speaker 1: is the truth here before we render a verdict? Are
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Speaker 1: we seeing a judicial system as a Duke educated lawyer?
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Speaker 1: Are we seeing a judicial system that's getting too political
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Speaker 1: on all levels? And I'd like you to comment on
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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court as well as. the local courts and
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Speaker 1: courts in between, are they getting too political as opposed
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Speaker 1: to just doing a job of hearing the case and
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Speaker 1: rendering a decision?
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yes. Now, the Supreme Court is in a league
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Speaker 2: of its own. In theory, the Supreme Court is supposed
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Speaker 2: to set new precedent and hear cases of first impression.
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Speaker 2: And so, to some extent, you can argue the Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court is inherently political. It always has been. Fine and
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Speaker 2: fair enough. But what's disturbing to me is to see
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Speaker 2: federal district court judges, to see trial judges who are
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Speaker 2: supposed to, who have taken an oath to uphold the law,
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Speaker 2: not make new law, not reinterpret it in their own image,
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Speaker 2: but uphold the law. It is supposed to be a
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Speaker 2: humble job, Ron. Being a trial-level judge is supposed to
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Speaker 2: be humble. You read the law like any lawyer, you
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Speaker 2: apply it like any lawyer, and you move to the
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Speaker 2: next case. The problem is we've had judges like Boasberg
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Speaker 2: who've seen the opportunity to become celebrities by creatively reinterpreting
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Speaker 2: the law. This is nothing new. Rush Limbaugh would talk
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Speaker 2: about the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals because of their
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Speaker 2: judicial activism. Well, guess what? It's gotten worse. It's not
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Speaker 2: just the circuit courts anymore. Now the federal district judges
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Speaker 2: have gotten the same idea. You know what people want,
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Speaker 2: what average Jane and Joe Americans want? They want to
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Speaker 2: be able to hire a lawyer who can read the
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Speaker 2: law and say, this is how it's going to come out.
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Speaker 2: There's supposed to be predictability. We're supposed to know in advance,
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Speaker 2: is it legal or not? I mean, if you can't
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Speaker 2: even know what the law is, how do you know
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Speaker 2: if you're breaking it? The problem is we have these
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Speaker 2: activist judges. We're just remaking the law as it's politically convenient.
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Speaker 2: You don't even know what the law is anymore because
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Speaker 2: it's become an amorphous blob. Once again, the Supreme Court
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Speaker 2: has always been political, and there are strong arguments that
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Speaker 2: it was created to be political. But we all expect
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Speaker 2: trial judges to simply uphold the law, and unfortunately, you're right, Ron,
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Speaker 2: it's gotten worse.
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Speaker 1: A couple more questions. Break pending. A couple more questions.
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Speaker 1: You've got a few more minutes left.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: All right. I mean, I want to ask him a
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Speaker 1: few more questions about the court system and maybe AOC
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Speaker 1: being a candidate. We're talking with John Pleschnik, commissioner from
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Speaker 1: Lake County, Duke law lawyer. News Radio 570 WKVN. With
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Speaker 1: John Pleschnik on News Radio 570 WKVN. When Biden said
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Speaker 1: when he had to make his Supreme Court pick, I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure I get a black woman. What
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for on the Supreme Court is the brightest
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Speaker 1: legal minds in the country to hear the law, to
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Speaker 1: hear the case and rule based on our Constitution and
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Speaker 1: our law. It seems we're getting further and further away
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Speaker 1: from that. I'm not opposed to conservatives. Because I think
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Speaker 1: that's what conservatives try to do. They try to listen
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Speaker 1: and judge it based on what the law is currently.
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Speaker 1: But with the liberal judges, I don't get that impression.
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Speaker 1: Do you have the same thoughts?
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Speaker 3: I do. I do.
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Speaker 2: And unfortunately, President Biden said the quiet part out loud.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't really looking for the most qualified candidate. He
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Speaker 2: was looking for the most politically convenient candidate. He wanted
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Speaker 2: to get votes by... frankly engaging in racial politics and
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Speaker 2: he also wanted to promote liberal ideology and unfortunately in
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Speaker 2: so doing he completely delegitimized his pick for supreme court
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Speaker 2: and it takes away a lot of confidence of the
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Speaker 2: american people to know that their highest court is being
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Speaker 2: populated by people for political reasons rather than based on merit,
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Speaker 2: because we want the best person for the job. You know,
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Speaker 2: you go in the hospital, you want to make sure
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Speaker 2: you have the best surgeon in the world, not someone
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Speaker 2: who's going to get your congressman some votes or, you know,
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Speaker 2: push a certain political agenda. It's really unfortunate that Biden
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Speaker 2: brought racial politics into Supreme Court appointments the way he did.
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Speaker 2: But once again, the liberal versus conservative divide goes even
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Speaker 2: beyond that. The fundamental question is, should judges make the
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Speaker 2: law or should they interpret the law as it stands?
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Speaker 2: That is the most fundamental question in judicial philosophy. And ultimately,
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Speaker 2: when you look to the founding documents, when you look
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Speaker 2: at separation of powers, it is very clear that our
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Speaker 2: founding fathers intended the legislature to make the law, the
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Speaker 2: executive branch to execute and implement it, and the judicial
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Speaker 2: branch to interpret it. For the judge to make the
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Speaker 2: law is the judge to usurp the role of the
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Speaker 2: legislature and ultimately take power away from the people. Because
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Speaker 2: federal judges are not elected, they are appointed. And we
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Speaker 2: don't have the ability to vote no on a Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court justice when they rule against what we think is right.
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Speaker 2: The only recourse we have when it comes to the
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Speaker 2: law is who we vote for in Congress. And it
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Speaker 2: is unfair, then, to take away Congress's power and hand
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Speaker 2: it to some unelected bureaucrat or judge.
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Speaker 1: Well, you even have the Democrats talking about getting rid
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Speaker 1: of the Electoral College and expanding the Supreme Court for
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Speaker 1: their political purposes. What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 2: Court packing, Senate packing would be the end of the republic.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is we would cease to have
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Speaker 2: a constitutional republic anymore. we would have a communist state.
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Speaker 2: Because at the end of the day, if you can
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Speaker 2: create states out of thin air and pack the Senate,
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Speaker 2: if you can pack the Supreme Court, we have no
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Speaker 2: balance of power anymore, and it just becomes sheer political force.
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Speaker 2: Our Constitution becomes meaningless. The Supreme Court is the guardian
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Speaker 2: of the Constitution, and if you can appoint your nephew,
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Speaker 2: your best friend, any random person in the Supreme Court...
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Speaker 2: There is no longer a Constitution. You have no meaningful
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Speaker 2: Bill of Rights. And frankly, at best, we have tyranny
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Speaker 2: of the majority. At worst, we have tyranny of the dictator.
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Speaker 1: Just I want to ask you about AOC quickly. What
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Speaker 1: do you think about her that's being talked about as
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Speaker 1: a potential presidential run? Because I find it frightening.
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Speaker 2: Let me just say the professor is not impressed with
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Speaker 2: the bartender. The fact that AOC is a congresswoman... is
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Speaker 2: an insult to the American people. She is wholly unqualified.
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Speaker 2: She's not qualified. for dog catcher, let alone Congress. And
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Speaker 2: the idea that she could be President of the United
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Speaker 2: States is, to your point, frightening.
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Speaker 1: All right. Final question. Now, as a Duke, I want
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Speaker 1: to get your quick reaction, attorney. As a Duke law graduate,
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Speaker 1: Good cases aren't won or lost in a courtroom. It's
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Speaker 1: the legwork you do ahead of time that you bring
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Speaker 1: to the courtroom. Would you agree with that statement?
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Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of truth in that statement,
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Speaker 2: but you can certainly lose a course. You can certainly
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Speaker 2: lose a case in the courtroom. I have seen bad
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Speaker 2: attorneys pull that off. You have to prepare in advance
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Speaker 2: of your argument, and that is 90% of the work.
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Speaker 2: But oral arguments matter. Sometimes you change a judge's mind
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Speaker 2: on the spot.
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Speaker 1: I have a world of respect for you, and I'm
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Speaker 1: honored that you've been on the program. Thank you, John.
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Speaker 1: I've got to break. Thank you, Ron.
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Speaker 4: The pressure is on, and now both of Ohio's U.S.
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Speaker 4: senators are calling for that embattled congressman from Ohio to
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Speaker 4: step down.
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Speaker 5: Ohio Senator John Husted said Thursday on X that Representative
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Speaker 5: Max Miller of the Cleveland area should resign from Congress,
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Speaker 5: saying the allegations of domestic violence of which Miller is
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Speaker 5: accused of committing regarding his ex-wife and their daughter should
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Speaker 5: be dealt with in private, not in the House Ethics.
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Speaker 1: Committee, not in a re-election campaign.
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Speaker 5: Husted is joining Ohio's other senator, Bernie Marino, in calling
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Speaker 5: for Miller to resign. Marino is Miller's former father-in-law.
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Speaker 1: I'm Tom Moore.
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Speaker 4: In sports, the freshman running back, Legend Bay, will not
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Speaker 4: join the Buckeyes on the field as preseason camp gets
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Speaker 4: started this week. Head coach Ryan Day confirming that Bay
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Speaker 4: has been suspended for violating team rules and is going
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Speaker 4: to miss a couple of practices. I'm Sandy Collins.
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Speaker 1: What a fascinating day it has been. I mean, to
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Speaker 1: have Commissioner Plushnick from Lake County. And to start off
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Speaker 1: the broadcast, to ask him, you know, tell me about
22:26
Speaker 1: your educational background or your background. To hear him tell
22:29
Speaker 1: that story of how he was homeschooled by his mother,
22:34
Speaker 1: who just, I mean, really did terrific things as far
22:39
Speaker 1: as his education is concerned. And then to see him
22:44
Speaker 1: graduate Duke Law School at the age of 22. And
22:47
Speaker 1: then to go further on to become an accountant and
22:53
Speaker 1: a tax attorney. His education is just really impressive. And
23:03
Speaker 1: to sit here and talk to him about his thoughts
23:07
Speaker 1: about property taxes and what he's doing in Lake County
23:12
Speaker 1: or what they're trying to do on a statewide level.
23:16
Speaker 1: It's just absolutely fascinating to me. And then to hear
23:18
Speaker 1: his thought process on so many of the other national
23:21
Speaker 1: issues outside of all of that, well, what are his
23:23
Speaker 1: thoughts about all of this? You know, I sit here
23:26
Speaker 1: and I must tell you, I just, I sit here
23:29
Speaker 1: and I think this is a brilliant guy. I mean,
23:31
Speaker 1: this is really a smart guy. And just an impressive individual.
23:41
Speaker 1: And when I often talk about how impressed I am,
23:44
Speaker 1: I think DeSantis is the best governor in the country.
23:48
Speaker 1: I think he'd make an outstanding president. And I look
23:52
Speaker 1: at the similarities between Plushnik and DeSantis in the sense
23:56
Speaker 1: of DeSantis is a lawyer. Plushnik is a lawyer. DeSantis
24:04
Speaker 1: is a guy that reads. He doesn't accept what people
24:07
Speaker 1: are saying. He actually reads. He puts time and effort
24:09
Speaker 1: into it. And the one thing I've always learned, not
24:13
Speaker 1: to sound like, and I don't mean it to sound
24:15
Speaker 1: this way, not to sound like a pompous ass or anything,
24:17
Speaker 1: but the one thing that I learned in getting educated
24:22
Speaker 1: throughout the years, I mean, there was no choice in
24:24
Speaker 1: my household. I'll just tell you that right now. As
24:26
Speaker 1: I said numerous times, there was no choice. If you
24:29
Speaker 1: went to my mother and said you were going to
24:31
Speaker 1: drop out of high school, that choice didn't exist. I
24:33
Speaker 1: can assure you of that. As I've said numerous times,
24:36
Speaker 1: you know what the dropout rate in high school should be?
24:38
Speaker 2: Zero.
24:38
Speaker 1: Zero. It's the least we can expect of everybody. So
24:43
Speaker 1: the dropout rate should be zero. We expect you to
24:46
Speaker 1: go to high school and to graduate, whether if you
24:49
Speaker 1: go to vocational school and learn a skill or trade
24:52
Speaker 1: or whatever the case might be. That is the expectations
24:55
Speaker 1: that we should have for everybody. And so there is
24:58
Speaker 1: no escaping those expectations. I mean, to a certain extent,
25:02
Speaker 1: it's parenting. And when I talk to Pleschnik, I just–
25:05
Speaker 1: Think of great parenting that has taken place there from
25:08
Speaker 1: the very beginning to create the man that I just
25:11
Speaker 1: got done interviewing. But when I make the comparison, as
25:15
Speaker 1: I did to him, as I did when I was
25:18
Speaker 1: introducing him to DeSantis, and as I was introducing him
25:23
Speaker 1: as far as his educational background, the philosophies when it
25:26
Speaker 1: comes to governments and taxes that DeSantis has as governor,
25:32
Speaker 1: it's the philosophies. It's what's in the man's soul and
25:36
Speaker 1: brain that has created such a great environment in Florida.
25:44
Speaker 1: And how he values the taxpayer and what's happening to
25:49
Speaker 1: the taxpayer and letting them keep more of their money,
25:54
Speaker 1: his philosophies. His philosophies and the philosophies of Pleschnik are
25:58
Speaker 1: very similar. That was a comparison I was making. They're
26:01
Speaker 1: both very well-educated attorneys. that have very similar thoughts when
26:10
Speaker 1: it comes to taxes and government spending. And I'm impressed
26:16
Speaker 1: with both of them. I mean, at some point, I'll
26:20
Speaker 1: probably reach out to DeSantis and trying to get him
26:22
Speaker 1: onto the program live. At some point, you know, he
26:26
Speaker 1: does have ties to the Youngstown area. So I think
26:29
Speaker 1: that that is doable at some point to have a
26:32
Speaker 1: conversation with with him about his philosophies. Because as I
26:37
Speaker 1: played him to Plushnick, I just thought, you know, it's
26:40
Speaker 1: so refreshing to hear what he has to say about
26:46
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And that's why I make the comparison
26:51
Speaker 1: with what, well, I played him the one DeSantis soundbite,
26:57
Speaker 1: which I think is really spot on when it comes
27:01
Speaker 1: to his philosophies personally. In Florida, and it's not just
27:05
Speaker 1: the state, the philosophies would apply anywhere you go. Let
27:09
Speaker 1: me play you that clip in case you missed it.
27:12
Speaker 1: That isn't what I'm looking for. Let me see here.
27:16
Speaker 1: I've got to find it. I don't want you to
27:20
Speaker 1: hear it because it's the thought process. And you don't
27:27
Speaker 1: have that philosophy around here enough. You do... with DeSantis
27:34
Speaker 1: in Florida. It is really quite impressive. Let me see
27:40
Speaker 1: here where I got to find it. Here we go.
27:44
Speaker 1: Just listen to this. All right. Just listen to a
27:47
Speaker 1: short clip of DeSantis talking.
27:49
Speaker 6: What are you looking to do with Property Texas?
27:52
Speaker 7: Well, we're looking to give people relief from the high
27:55
Speaker 7: cost of living. I mean, we've had a major inflationary
27:59
Speaker 7: period in American history, one of the most inflationary. Groceries,
28:04
Speaker 7: all these things. Who knows what's going to happen with oil?
28:07
Speaker 7: The one thing we control is tax. And so in Florida,
28:11
Speaker 7: local governments get property tax. We don't get it at
28:14
Speaker 7: the state. We've got a plush rainy day fund. We've
28:16
Speaker 7: paid down half our debt since I've been governor. I've
28:19
Speaker 7: got all this great stuff.
28:20
Speaker 1: We're doing great.
28:21
Speaker 7: Local governments, when I became governor, were taking in $ 32 billion.
28:25
Speaker 7: Now they're taking in $ 60 billion. So their revenue has
28:28
Speaker 7: almost doubled in seven years.
28:30
Speaker 1: Why?
28:31
Speaker 7: Because they're assessing the values higher, and the values have
28:34
Speaker 7: gone up. And so we're saying, okay, if you're a
28:38
Speaker 7: Florida resident and you're homesteading your property, that's your primary
28:42
Speaker 7: homesteaded residence. We think that should be excluded. Now, that's
28:45
Speaker 7: about 30 percent of the overall property tax revenue if
28:49
Speaker 7: you just did it on day one. So it's got
28:51
Speaker 7: to go on the ballot in November of 2026. It'll
28:55
Speaker 7: be something that would be phased in most likely. to
28:59
Speaker 7: get to a point very quickly in Florida where 90-some
29:03
Speaker 7: percent are not paying anything, and eventually we'd phase in
29:08
Speaker 7: the elimination. So it can be done, and if we
29:10
Speaker 7: don't do anything, they're going to have $ 84 billion in
29:13
Speaker 7: revenue in 2031. So that's 12 13 years to go
29:17
Speaker 7: from 32 to 84 so when people will say you
29:20
Speaker 7: can't do it you're not going to have any services
29:23
Speaker 7: just ask them did we not have schools and police
29:26
Speaker 7: in 2019 when they were taken in 32 billion of
29:28
Speaker 7: course we did now give them inflation give them population
29:31
Speaker 7: growth give them a couple percent just for kicks on
29:34
Speaker 7: a saturday night that takes you to about $ 46 or
29:37
Speaker 7: $ 47 billion. It doesn't take you to $ 60. So how
29:40
Speaker 7: would you want to do that? Maintain the growth of
29:42
Speaker 7: these governments or give Floridians really historic property tax relief?
29:49
Speaker 1: So he, but I mean, what he says is basically,
29:53
Speaker 1: as Plešnik has said, it's your money. And if we
29:56
Speaker 1: put more of your money in your pocket, that's good
29:58
Speaker 1: for the economy and that's good for you. And ultimately,
30:02
Speaker 1: that can even create more tax dollars, you know, through
30:04
Speaker 1: sales tax, through you spending it and what have you.
30:08
Speaker 1: The philosophy is in too many areas, government feels that you,
30:13
Speaker 1: the taxpayer, get the crumbs and they get the bulk
30:15
Speaker 1: of it. As DeSantis says in Florida, we feel you
30:18
Speaker 1: get the bulk of your money and government gets the crumbs.
30:21
Speaker 1: As I said to Pleschnik, year after year, Florida spends
30:25
Speaker 1: more money this year than it did the year before.
30:28
Speaker 1: Spends less money than they did the year before. Spends
30:31
Speaker 1: less money that year than they did the year before.
30:33
Speaker 1: Not adjusted for inflation. So you can see that they're
30:37
Speaker 1: spending less money. You can see they're doing zero-based budgeting.
30:40
Speaker 1: This is what we have to strive for. And we
30:42
Speaker 1: don't see that here on this level. We don't see
30:45
Speaker 1: that from our commissioners. We don't see that from, in
30:49
Speaker 1: many cases, our local government officials. We just don't see it.
30:54
Speaker 1: As they continue to get these astronomical increases... it's never
30:58
Speaker 1: enough and they were hesitant to give you the doubling
31:01
Speaker 1: the homestead exemption if you will to double that they
31:07
Speaker 1: were hesitant to do that even though they had a
31:09
Speaker 1: windfall of additional money coming in therein lies what the
31:12
Speaker 1: pro what the problems are you're on.
31:14
Speaker 3: The air hi run yeah he is smart he is
31:18
Speaker 3: very smart i uh i'm very impressed with uh His
31:23
Speaker 3: thought process and whatnot and the education was..
31:28
Speaker 1: He's a good man.
31:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's undeniable right there. That's a no-brainer right there.
31:37
Speaker 3: But yesterday, as I said, when it comes to the
31:40
Speaker 3: socialist idea, there's a lot of negative things. When it
31:48
Speaker 3: comes to that, also, there's also there's also some positives
31:52
Speaker 3: in it. We have to learn to find a kind
31:53
Speaker 3: of a balance between those two where, you know, people
31:58
Speaker 3: can have the opportunity.
31:59
Speaker 1: But I would say this to you, just with that
32:02
Speaker 1: being said. I can't I don't need I don't want socialism.
32:07
Speaker 1: I mean, for everyone that's bitching about this country, can
32:11
Speaker 1: I tell you nothing has been easy in life? I mean,
32:14
Speaker 1: no matter what course or what avenue you take, I
32:17
Speaker 1: don't think it's easy to go learn a skill or
32:19
Speaker 1: a trade to become an electrician. It's like going to college.
32:23
Speaker 1: I don't think it's easy to become a good auto
32:24
Speaker 1: mechanic today. I don't think it's physically easy or mentally
32:28
Speaker 1: easy to become a good guy to drywall. I can
32:30
Speaker 1: go in through any number of these things. I don't
32:33
Speaker 1: think any of it is easy. It takes a lot
32:35
Speaker 1: of time, effort, and headache and heartache to do it. So,
32:39
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to tell you, it was going
32:42
Speaker 1: through all those years of college easy. No, it was hard.
32:45
Speaker 1: And it was a sacrifice. And most people didn't succeed
32:49
Speaker 1: and graduate. They dropped out. Just as a lot of
32:52
Speaker 1: people drop out of the trades before they succeed on it.
32:55
Speaker 1: But as I've said to you numerous times, when I
32:59
Speaker 1: looked around at kids I went to high school with,
33:01
Speaker 1: they gave up their 20s to become doctors. Ten years
33:04
Speaker 1: of their life. I wasn't willing to do that. So
33:07
Speaker 1: they made a bunch of money. They deserve to make
33:09
Speaker 1: a bunch of money. That's capitalism in the United States
33:11
Speaker 1: of America. They made the sacrifice for that. I mean,
33:15
Speaker 1: as I'm older and how my life turned out, it
33:17
Speaker 1: has been unbelievable for me what this great capitalistic country
33:22
Speaker 1: has done for me. Unbelievable. So... I'm not into socialism.
33:27
Speaker 1: I'm into saying it's up to you to grab the
33:32
Speaker 1: horns and run with it. Do the best that you
33:34
Speaker 1: can do. It's a great country. Let me move on.
33:38
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I only stayed in college for
33:41
Speaker 3: about two years, and I didn't commit to it, and
33:45
Speaker 3: I never had the passion to fulfill that.
33:46
Speaker 1: Well, it's a sacrifice. It was hard.
33:49
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm here to tell you. It was nothing
33:52
Speaker 3: that's—I'm not— I don't sacrifice just because I didn't finish school.
33:56
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying to you, it was hard, and
33:59
Speaker 1: that's why most people don't finish it. But I don't
34:02
Speaker 1: know how to explain this to you.
34:03
Speaker 3: There was no choice in my— There's also schoolers.
34:06
Speaker 1: I might have been an adult, but there wasn't a
34:08
Speaker 1: choice in my household that I would not complete the
34:12
Speaker 1: mission that was set out for me. My father and
34:15
Speaker 1: mother would not– if I dropped out of college, that
34:18
Speaker 1: was unacceptable.
34:21
Speaker 3: I bet it was unacceptable when my father wanted me
34:25
Speaker 3: to finish school and I didn't. I disappointed him by
34:28
Speaker 3: not doing so because on my epitaph, on my stone,
34:32
Speaker 3: it's going to say I've had the ability to do
34:35
Speaker 3: so much but accomplish so little.
34:40
Speaker 1: See, I don't mean it to sound that way, because
34:43
Speaker 1: anything that I see is difficult and hard. I appreciate
34:47
Speaker 1: anybody that does physically hard work, and there's so many
34:51
Speaker 1: things beyond just the educational aspect of it that is...
34:57
Speaker 1: That's just hard work. I mean, it's putting an effort forth.
35:01
Speaker 1: Once again, it's not easy to be an auto mechanic.
35:03
Speaker 1: It's not easy to be an electrician. It's not easy
35:06
Speaker 1: to be great to finish cement. It's not easy to
35:09
Speaker 1: get up and get a CDL and drive. I mean,
35:14
Speaker 1: I don't know of many people that are successful that
35:17
Speaker 1: it was easy for them. I mean, that's and I'm
35:20
Speaker 1: not trying to say anything negative to you at all.
35:23
Speaker 1: I'm just saying socialism doesn't cut it.
35:27
Speaker 3: Don't punish those people. You've proven your point as far
35:32
Speaker 3: as your which how you feel about it. And I
35:35
Speaker 3: respect that. And and that's even though I disagree somewhat
35:38
Speaker 3: on some things, but I'm not I'm not denying that
35:40
Speaker 3: that's that there's some disadvantages to everything. There's disadvantages to capitalism.
35:47
Speaker 3: There's not as many as someone like... Communism is something
35:51
Speaker 3: that never works. I'm not arguing that point. The point
35:57
Speaker 3: is that I don't believe that you should take out
35:59
Speaker 3: of somebody's pocket to give to somebody else. I don't
36:03
Speaker 3: believe in that. I don't believe that that should be
36:05
Speaker 3: the case.
36:05
Speaker 2: But there's also..
36:07
Speaker 3: You want to be able to give... If I'm blessed..
36:10
Speaker 2: Okay.
36:10
Speaker 3: I'm blessed to have what I have.
36:12
Speaker 1: Okay.
36:13
Speaker 3: Whether through hard work or through luck or whatever.
36:15
Speaker 1: I'm running out of time. I don't want to live
36:17
Speaker 1: like they do in India with somebody starving on the street.
36:20
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with, with what you're saying to, to
36:23
Speaker 1: a certain extent. I don't disagree with it, but you know,
36:27
Speaker 1: I have an older brother that's 10 years older. That's
36:30
Speaker 1: that's much that, that is really who I admire a
36:34
Speaker 1: great deal in my world. And it's extremely smart and, and, and,
36:40
Speaker 1: just was always really smart and did very well in life. Well,
36:45
Speaker 1: that's because he put the effort forth and took a
36:48
Speaker 1: lot of chances. And, you know, he shouldn't be punished
36:51
Speaker 1: for that. Let me take some calls. I tell you what,
36:54
Speaker 1: you call me Monday and we'll pick up this discussion.
36:56
Speaker 1: You're on the air.
36:58
Speaker 3: Ronnie.
36:59
Speaker 1: Yes.
37:00
Speaker 8: You said that you didn't want to be a pompous arse.
37:03
Speaker 3: Yes.
37:04
Speaker 8: I think you just fall into the general arse category.
37:07
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much.
37:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
37:09
Speaker 8: But, um, I wanted to ask Mr. Plesnik, maybe Plesnik 2028, 2032,
37:20
Speaker 8: the blanket pardon that Biden gave. They're talking about no kings.
37:26
Speaker 8: If you could become president and then anybody in your
37:30
Speaker 8: circle could be pardoned for any crime for 10 years,
37:34
Speaker 8: that's a king right there. I don't understand how this
37:39
Speaker 8: is even possible. And I wanted to ask him about
37:42
Speaker 8: that because, I mean, if Fauci was pardoned for a crime,
37:47
Speaker 8: he should at least be able to be charged for
37:49
Speaker 8: that crime, even though he knows he's going to be not,
37:52
Speaker 8: you know, he'll be pardoned at the end. But the
37:55
Speaker 8: United States should be able to see what he did
38:00
Speaker 8: to get the truth out.
38:02
Speaker 1: Right.
38:02
Speaker 2: What's with you?
38:04
Speaker 1: I agree. I'll ask him next time if I remember. Okay.
38:08
Speaker 2: All right.
38:09
Speaker 1: You're on the air.
38:11
Speaker 9: You're not even going to remember what you had for
38:13
Speaker 9: dinner last night.
38:16
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I do remember what I
38:18
Speaker 1: had for dinner. I had Chinese. I had orange chicken
38:21
Speaker 1: and fried rice.
38:23
Speaker 9: Oh, okay. That's great. Well, I'm down here in my
38:27
Speaker 9: wonderful kitchen making up some wonderful sloppy shows for my
38:32
Speaker 9: granddaughter's birthday party tomorrow. I thought you'd like to know that.
38:37
Speaker 1: Where are the helium balloons and all that kind of
38:43
Speaker 1: stuff for the party?
38:44
Speaker 9: Well, this is going to be at my son's house,
38:46
Speaker 9: so they're taking care of all that.
38:50
Speaker 1: You know what? I bet you, in all seriousness, just
38:53
Speaker 1: in my discussions with you, as I say, I'm fascinated
38:55
Speaker 1: by you. I bet you're a hell of a grandpa.
38:58
Speaker 1: I really do.
39:01
Speaker 9: Well, I'm not going to brag. But yeah, I'm going
39:05
Speaker 9: to brag.
39:11
Speaker 1: Let me do my break. I'll come right back to you.
39:14
Speaker 9: I'll be right here.
39:16
Speaker 1: All right. I bet he's a hell of a grandpa,
39:17
Speaker 1: don't you? We might disagree sometimes politically, but he's a
39:20
Speaker 1: good dude. We'll be right back.
39:25
Speaker 6: I'm not great with words after a fight. And I'm sorry,
39:28
Speaker 6: wasn't cutting it this time. So I used Smile Tunes
39:31
Speaker 6: to write a soulful ballad about how she's always right.
39:33
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39:37
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39:40
Speaker 1: Looking to upgrade your home? Ron Furp from the Kingdom
39:43
Speaker 1: of Mahoning. Okay, I bet you're a hell of a grandpa.
39:47
Speaker 1: I genuinely do. You and I have our disagreements politically,
39:50
Speaker 1: but deep down, I think you're a good man.
39:52
Speaker 9: I tend to agree with you on that.
39:57
Speaker 2: I do.
39:57
Speaker 1: I'm glad you come out on that. You agree with
40:01
Speaker 1: me on that.
40:01
Speaker 9: I've been misunderstood a lot in my life, but I'm
40:04
Speaker 9: not a bad guy.
40:07
Speaker 1: No. Has life gone by quicker than you thought? I mean,
40:10
Speaker 1: when you look at how old you are now.
40:15
Speaker 9: Don't blink. Don't blink. That's all I can say. The
40:18
Speaker 9: last 40 have gone by as a blur. B-L-U-R.
40:23
Speaker 2: Blur.
40:24
Speaker 3: R-R.
40:25
Speaker 9: Is it R-R? Whatever. Gone by as a blur.
40:28
Speaker 1: Are you healthy? I mean, overall, are you in pretty
40:30
Speaker 1: good health?
40:31
Speaker 9: Overall, yeah. Yeah. I'm lucky. I feel pretty good. I
40:35
Speaker 9: feel lucky. And my station in life is fine. And,
40:41
Speaker 9: you know, my feet hit the ground every morning. And
40:44
Speaker 9: here I am.
40:45
Speaker 1: Are you enjoying your retirement?
40:47
Speaker 9: I am.
40:48
Speaker 4: I am.
40:49
Speaker 1: What is there about, I mean, after years of working
40:52
Speaker 1: and then not having to work, are you saying it's
40:54
Speaker 1: good not to be able to?
40:57
Speaker 2: I said it before.
40:58
Speaker 9: I'm glad I don't have to wiggle my butt for
41:00
Speaker 9: nobody anymore. Nobody.
41:03
Speaker 1: I remember when my mother retired, she was a school secretary,
41:06
Speaker 1: and she enjoyed her work. She said, my time is
41:10
Speaker 1: now mine, all of my time, to do what I
41:13
Speaker 1: want when I want on my schedule. There you go.
41:16
Speaker 2: Exactly.
41:17
Speaker 9: If I feel like going out and working in the yard,
41:20
Speaker 9: what I used to do is get it all done
41:23
Speaker 9: in a couple, three hours or on the weekend. But now,
41:25
Speaker 9: if it takes me a week and a half, I
41:27
Speaker 9: don't care.
41:29
Speaker 1: When you look at your children who are now adults,
41:31
Speaker 1: are you happy with the outcome?
41:34
Speaker 9: For the most part. For the most part. But, you know,
41:37
Speaker 9: kids grow up to be adults and they have minds
41:40
Speaker 9: of their own. And what your religion, what your politics,
41:45
Speaker 9: what your station in life, you would like, you know,
41:50
Speaker 9: I'm sure you have certain things that you would like
41:53
Speaker 9: them to follow. But it doesn't always work out that
41:56
Speaker 9: way because they see the world in a different way
42:00
Speaker 9: than you do. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay
42:04
Speaker 9: with that. That's fine. They're adults, and they can think.
42:08
Speaker 1: On their own. All right, a quick question with a
42:12
Speaker 1: quick answer. As you review your life, do you say
42:15
Speaker 1: one of your greatest accomplishments was your children?
42:19
Speaker 2: Of course.
42:21
Speaker 9: Of course, without a doubt.
42:23
Speaker 1: And you know what? I enjoy my time with you.
42:26
Speaker 1: It's short today, but... You wrap up the week, and
42:30
Speaker 1: you're just a good guy and a great grandpa, and
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Speaker 1: you have a terrific time tomorrow. Have a pleasant day.
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Speaker 2: All right. Thanks a lot. Take care. All right.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.