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Democrat Gay Bashing, Podcast Shanks Mislead Women, & Is Europe About to Get Based w/ Emma-Jo Morris · The Alex Marlow Show

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  Speaker 1: It is The Marlowe Show with Emma Jo. Best time
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  Speaker 1: of the week. Emma, I want to take the audience
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  Speaker 1: on an arc today.
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  Speaker 2: We start with the biggest story that's going on right
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  Speaker 2: now in the world, which is the riots in France
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  Speaker 2: that we're closing in on the weekend. You'll probably be
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  Speaker 2: coming out this episode over the weekend. And they've already
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  Speaker 2: put on the calendar they're rioting Saturday. So it might
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  Speaker 2: be the day this comes out or the day before.
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  Speaker 2: I put these out usually Saturdays and Sundays. But they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be rioting, and the rioting is spreading. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to go into Italy and other places.
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  Speaker 1: As well.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to figure out if that's connected to
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  Speaker 2: the broader narratives in American politics this year, where we're
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  Speaker 2: closing in on an election.
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  Speaker 1: Republicans should be losing.
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  Speaker 2: They might lose, but they should be losing given the
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  Speaker 2: state of the economy, given the state of the unpopular
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  Speaker 2: war that we're in, even though the economy.
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  Speaker 1: Is not nearly as bad as people think.
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  Speaker 2: And The war is very justifiable if you want to
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  Speaker 2: break it down, but it's not popular.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just talking pure politics. It's not popular.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, though, the Democrats could blow it with
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  Speaker 2: the radicalism and the fact that they have cozied up
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  Speaker 2: to radical Islam. They're making excuses for the Ilhan Omars
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  Speaker 2: of the world who probably needs to be denaturalized and
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  Speaker 2: deported and obviously removed from the Congress.
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  Speaker 1: We'll touch on that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to see if some of these big
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  Speaker 2: trends that we're seeing in Europe whether or not he
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  Speaker 2: could have implications for the American election because of the
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  Speaker 2: issues the left is on right now. And I want
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  Speaker 2: to get back to, we got some new Cornell updates.
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  Speaker 2: I've got some new, some of the woke women podcasters
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  Speaker 2: are back out there trashing men again. And we're just
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  Speaker 2: all walking around thanks to the secular godless left. just
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  Speaker 2: pretty much bummed out with America. And will that message
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  Speaker 2: actually resonate? I don't know if it will. So that's
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  Speaker 2: the big arc where I want to go. But let's
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  Speaker 2: start with what's going on in France. And first of all,
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  Speaker 2: give me your thoughts on the riots themselves. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's some interesting comments made by Marine Le Pen in French.
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  Speaker 2: So I can play them and you can translate because
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  Speaker 2: as we learned on last week's show, you're forced to
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  Speaker 2: speak French Canadian. So you have to know the language.
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  Speaker 2: So you'll help us with that. But give me your
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  Speaker 2: 30,000 foot before we get into some specifics.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, look, it wouldn't be the first
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  Speaker 3: time that Europe was a bellwether for the U.S. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: preceding 2016 and Trump's election, we.
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  Speaker 1: Had Brexit.
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  Speaker 3: And famously, Bill Clinton saw those results and kind of
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  Speaker 3: looked around and said, are we in trouble? And so
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that it would be unheard of. I
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  Speaker 3: also think that the images coming out of France are
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  Speaker 3: so powerful. I'm pretty sure I saw an oak door
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  Speaker 3: on fire. I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Among other things, and the frame and the beautiful European
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  Speaker 3: art all around it. But in any case, the oak
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  Speaker 3: door is on fire. And I can't imagine that those
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  Speaker 3: images don't stir something in American conscience, especially because.
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  Speaker 4: We were so close to that.
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  Speaker 3: Under the Joe Biden administration, we were importing millions of
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  Speaker 3: people from the third world.
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  Speaker 4: The country, honestly, was just at our fingertips from being lost.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that these images are a reminder to
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  Speaker 4: the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Population of what's at stake if Democrats take back power,
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  Speaker 3: because obviously the first thing they're going to do is
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  Speaker 3: like fly back everybody that we deported on our dime.
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  Speaker 2: I have to say, I would say that three minutes
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  Speaker 2: for the first askance Camp of the Saints reference is
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  Speaker 2: probably a new record even for this show. They've come
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  Speaker 2: up pretty early on, but this is That's the quickest
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  Speaker 2: move to Camp of the Saints.
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  Speaker 1: No, but it really is.
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  Speaker 2: That was why there was so much discussion of this
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  Speaker 2: when Breitbart was talking about the fact that the multiculturalist
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  Speaker 2: experiment was not working a decade ago.
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  Speaker 1: It's not out of disrespect for people like.
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  Speaker 2: You, Emma, who come in and work and immediately want
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  Speaker 2: to be part of the fabric of the country and
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  Speaker 2: raise Americans and contribute exorbitantly to the tax base.
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  Speaker 1: It was never about that.
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  Speaker 2: It was always about why do we import people from
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  Speaker 2: countries who we would never even visit And we're bringing
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  Speaker 2: them here and we're just making them as part of
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  Speaker 2: the welfare state. We're, according to USCIS data that came
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  Speaker 2: out this week, 61% of illegal aliens got on welfare somehow.
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  Speaker 2: Like they should be deported the second they apply for
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  Speaker 2: any of that. And they somehow got themselves on welfare.
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  Speaker 2: It's the, that should be, that's a disgrace. Like it's
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  Speaker 2: not just unaffordable. It's also a, it's embarrassment. And so
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  Speaker 2: when do we choose to internalize it? When do we
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  Speaker 2: hit critical mass on this? And, Looking at France, how
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  Speaker 2: else can you look at it other than that this
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  Speaker 2: is migrant-based terrorism combined with far-left radical activism?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I just want to say I'm very
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  Speaker 3: flattered by that statement, except that I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: the audience knows this or even that you know this,
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  Speaker 3: but I still read Celsius.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm very glad to take that.
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  Speaker 2: That is, I have to say, maybe the greatest SNL
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  Speaker 2: bit in recent times.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone has to look this up.
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  Speaker 2: Nate Bargatze, who I don't regard as the funniest, but
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  Speaker 2: he's got a bit where he does George Washington when
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  Speaker 2: he's rallying troops for the Cross of Delaware and explaining
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  Speaker 2: all the stuff we're going to do in America. And
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  Speaker 2: it's all the bizarre units of measurement that we choose
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  Speaker 2: to use. Like how we will not go by the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the world.
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  Speaker 1: The whole world is going to start.
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  Speaker 2: It embraces different units of measurement and we just hold
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  Speaker 2: firm on stuff like Fahrenheit.
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  Speaker 3: Well, my American father, who I chain migrated here through,
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  Speaker 3: never forgets to remind me that only one unit of
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  Speaker 3: measurement got us to the moon. Very, very boomer take,
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  Speaker 3: but very true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Great take.
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  Speaker 3: So, no, but, you know, look, I mean, you're right,
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  Speaker 3: and the economic statistics on mass migration are revolting, and
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  Speaker 3: they really make you sick. But I think what we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing in France, and maybe what the more compelling point
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  Speaker 3: is about mass migration, is that, you know, yes, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I guess they are apparently ostensibly rioting over, like, some
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  Speaker 3: social service thing, but really... What we are watching and
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  Speaker 3: I think what the more compelling thing is about immigration
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  Speaker 3: and what gets me worked up about immigration is the
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  Speaker 3: cultural effect of importing people who don't come from cultures that.
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  Speaker 4: We can recognize.
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  Speaker 3: And what happens when you don't have one or two
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  Speaker 3: or 10 or 15, but you have millions. And what
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  Speaker 3: that looks like over the long term and frankly, over
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  Speaker 3: the short term, these people are young.
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  Speaker 2: And we also learned that they're also going to be
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  Speaker 2: the CEOs. We learned that this week from Jacob Fry
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  Speaker 2: that all the Somali migrants are going to be the
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  Speaker 2: future CEOs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, right. Okay, bud.
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  Speaker 2: So do you recall, Emma, how they immediately tried to
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  Speaker 2: frame the French riots as this was about textbooks and professors?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, class sizes.
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  Speaker 2: I made a point to look up which stores were
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  Speaker 2: looted during the riots.
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  Speaker 1: Any bookstores? Just to make sure. It was only the
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  Speaker 1: campus bookstore, I found out. That was it. Oh, also
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  Speaker 1: Louis Vuitton, Burberry, Dior, Hermes, Ralph Lauren. What else? What
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  Speaker 1: else did we get?
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  Speaker 4: Man, you got a lot of learning in those places.
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  Speaker 1: Celine, that's a good brand. A lot of good reports.
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  Speaker 4: It's not funny. It's honestly not even funny.
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  Speaker 1: It's not funny. It was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: A minimum of 1500 shops were looted.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm skeptical.
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  Speaker 2: If you're telling me it was just, it was just the,
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  Speaker 2: the student lounge where they get the latte.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's exactly, you know, look, I mean, the French
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  Speaker 3: are no strangers to rioting. Um, and they love doing that.
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  Speaker 3: And it's, that is a, you know, uh, That is
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  Speaker 3: a prominent part of their culture. However, these riots are
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  Speaker 3: not about the usual French preoccupations.
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  Speaker 4: They're third-worldist expressions of rage.
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  Speaker 3: And that's really kind of, I guess, the main cultural
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  Speaker 3: trait that I'm referring to and that Americans are freaking
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  Speaker 3: out over, which is, like, it's just about destruction of
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  Speaker 3: the first world and of the West and of the colonizers, oppressors, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like a.
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  Speaker 4: A manic like expression of, of resentment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 2: And, uh, it is, the question is though, will it
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  Speaker 2: inspire the rest of the continent to wake up?
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  Speaker 1: And there's a chance that it will, but it depends
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  Speaker 1: on something interesting.
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  Speaker 2: They got a lot of, she sent out a trolly
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  Speaker 2: tweet where she said, yes, Islam is compatible with the Republic.
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  Speaker 1: I've said it 10 times.
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  Speaker 2: On the other hand, Those who seek to impose Sharia
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  Speaker 2: in France will find me standing their way.
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  Speaker 1: Muslims, however, have no reason to worry.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of presidential to say it that way, and
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  Speaker 2: I get that. But overall, and again, it's like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think Islam is compatible with the West, but I
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  Speaker 2: do think that many Muslims are because they choose to
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  Speaker 2: abide by certain tenets and not by others.
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  Speaker 1: And It's a that's that's acceptable. I accept that.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, I don't have them at the front
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  Speaker 2: of the line for me for people I want to import.
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  Speaker 2: It seems a little too mealy mouth, but it comes
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  Speaker 2: from a longer statement that she made. And I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to play a little bit of this.
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  Speaker 1: It's in French. So it's mostly just get the texture.
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  Speaker 2: And then Emma, you can say what she's really saying,
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  Speaker 2: but just to provide some some A.V., Okay, so tell.
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  Speaker 7: Me what we're watching here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she hasn't made the statement yet. She's winding
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  Speaker 3: up to it, but what she's just... said is basically that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she is respectful of religious liberty and of
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  Speaker 3: liberty in general. And she hasn't said that Muslims aren't
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  Speaker 3: welcome in France or aren't allowed in France.
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  Speaker 4: You can play more. She's about to wind up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll play more and hopefully maybe we can get
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  Speaker 2: some AI translation in there so people can read along.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I've said it ten times.
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  Speaker 7: I know it's going to annoy some people who are
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  Speaker 7: going to jump on their chairs and say it's odious.
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  Speaker 7: What is not compatible with the Republic is Sharia. What
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  Speaker 7: is not compatible with the Republic is fundamentalist Islam.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 7: That's not compatible with the Republic. It is clear, and
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  Speaker 7: it has even been recalled in a statement of the
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  Speaker 7: European Court of Human Rights, which said that Sharia is
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  Speaker 7: incompatible with democracy.
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  Speaker 1: So those who are adepts of.
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  Speaker 7: Islamist fundamentalism and who seek to impose Sharia in France
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  Speaker 7: will find me on their way. Muslims, they have absolutely
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  Speaker 7: no reason to worry. They will continue to exercise their religion,
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  Speaker 7: to have their beliefs without any difficulty.
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  Speaker 4: Let me remind you anyway.
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  Speaker 3: So what she said is Muslims don't have any reason.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just translating what she just said. Muslims don't have
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  Speaker 3: any reason to worry about living in France. And she
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  Speaker 3: is supportive of their right to practice their religion. And
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  Speaker 3: she emphasized that she believes in liberty, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: the French motto is liberty, equality, and fraternity. Right. So
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  Speaker 3: she's like really emphasizing that like, you know, if you practice,
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  Speaker 3: which by the way, this is a totally sensible position.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess the reason why we should play this
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  Speaker 3: in light of the riots and also there was a
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  Speaker 3: big American reaction to this. This clip went pretty viral
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of American influencers, politicians, political people on
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  Speaker 3: the right were pretty upset because the first line was
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  Speaker 3: the only thing that was actually posted in English, which was,
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  Speaker 3: I think that Muslims.
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  Speaker 4: Are compatible with France.
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  Speaker 3: But what, so what she said was, yeah, so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're allowed to be a Muslim, just like you're allowed
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  Speaker 3: to be Jewish or whatever. But then what she goes
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  Speaker 3: on to say is what is incompatible and just what
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  Speaker 3: will go on the road, you know, like what's going to,
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  Speaker 3: what isn't welcome in France is Sharia and fundamentalism. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think that that's interesting because, okay, obviously fundamentalism,
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  Speaker 3: like in the sense of like, you know, terrorism or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: which I guess is what islamic fundamentalism is usually like
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  Speaker 3: looks like um obviously but she says something in particular
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  Speaker 3: which she says sharia sharia isn't allowed and that is
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  Speaker 3: really the central uh philosophical basis and expression of islam
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  Speaker 3: um as we understand it as something that's hostile to
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  Speaker 3: the west and and really honestly is fundamental to being
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  Speaker 3: religious um in islam and so you know She's basically
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  Speaker 3: making a very boilerplate French point, which is you can
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  Speaker 3: basically be acceptably religious. You can't be very religious. And
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  Speaker 3: if you're going to seek any accommodation or make any
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  Speaker 3: imposition on French society based on your religion, you can't stay.
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  Speaker 3: And that's obviously in line with Le Pen's, like, general
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  Speaker 3: take and that she's had for like 20 years and,
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  Speaker 3: and what we all appreciate and frankly agree with about her. And,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought that that was worth kind of clarifying here,
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  Speaker 3: which is like, she's not living out.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And, and what's interesting is that that's a moderate position
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  Speaker 2: and it's interesting how the whole left keeps getting more
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  Speaker 2: radical and then they act like we're the, we're the
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  Speaker 2: crazy ones. And like, that's like a very moderate position
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  Speaker 2: for a Western country. And, but the question is, is,
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  Speaker 2: is this going to translate? Will Europe finally say we've
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  Speaker 2: had enough? And I don't know if they're too late
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  Speaker 2: because their birth rate is so low. And we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about that via a segue where we, you highlighted some
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  Speaker 2: cuts with this woman named Zannie Minton. Bed-O's or something.
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  Speaker 2: She's the editor-in-chief of The Economist. And she comes up
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  Speaker 2: when she.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, your main thing, her name, is that she's
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  Speaker 4: some obscure, like, random person. She's the editor-in-chief of The Economist. No,
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  Speaker 4: it's big.
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  Speaker 2: I was an Economist subscriber before I realized I was
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  Speaker 2: only getting a very small sliver of the.
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  Speaker 1: But I was much younger.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was only getting a small sliver of
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  Speaker 2: what actual a foreign policy perspective is an economics perspective was.
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  Speaker 2: And I decided I could probably get a more efficient...
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  Speaker 2: I could probably get a more efficient diet of news
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  Speaker 2: looking elsewhere. But this is in the pre-Zanny era, so
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  Speaker 2: maybe I should go back with the great Zanny in there.
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  Speaker 2: But in this interview, she's talking to Alice Feidel, who
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  Speaker 2: is the leader of the Alternative for Deutschland, which is
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  Speaker 2: the AFD party, which is described as far-right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're far-right. I think they're pretty much
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  Speaker 1: reasonable right.
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  Speaker 2: And she's a very interesting person because she's got a
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  Speaker 2: background because she's one of the most hardcore people people
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  Speaker 2: who has mainstream political success in the country and also
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  Speaker 2: is married to a woman and his children. And this
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  Speaker 2: makes for a pretty interesting conversation with the great Zannie.
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  Speaker 1: Let me play some of it for you.
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  Speaker 5: I read the, I think it's all 252 pages of
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  Speaker 5: the manifesto of your colleagues in Saxon Anhal. Quote, an
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  Speaker 5: intact family consisting of mother, father, and children is proven
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  Speaker 5: to be the best prerequisite for good and healthy child development.
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  Speaker 5: That is what it says in the manifesto. You and
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  Speaker 5: your wife are raising two children in Switzerland. She is
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  Speaker 5: Sri Lankan born. You clearly do not follow this description.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I don't need to. Well, I don't need to.
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  Speaker 8: Because actually my wife is Swiss. That's the reason why.
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  Speaker 8: And it's always a fun fact. But anyway, I can...
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  Speaker 8: Advocate for a family comprising of a man, of a woman,
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  Speaker 8: and children. Because this is a model in which over 90%
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  Speaker 8: of the children grow up. I can be for this model.
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  Speaker 8: And I also sign this. And the party, for instance,
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  Speaker 8: completely tolerates a model like me.
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  Speaker 2: Um, and this is just, it's, I have so much
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  Speaker 2: to say already, Emma, but I want you to take
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  Speaker 2: the first crack at it and then I'll play some.
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  Speaker 1: More in a second.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'll just point out two things, like, before
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  Speaker 3: I get to, like, the main thrust of what I
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  Speaker 3: think about this. First of all, she's acting like this
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  Speaker 3: woman is, like, in hiding somewhere with her wife and kids. Like,
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  Speaker 3: they're in Switzerland, like, as if they've had to flee. Like,
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  Speaker 3: because Munich and Zurich are, like, it's like saying, you
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  Speaker 3: raised your wife and kids, you raised your kids with
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  Speaker 3: your wife in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 6: Like.
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  Speaker 3: Two hours away or something like that. But anyway, first
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  Speaker 3: of all, dumb comment. Second of all, other dumb comment
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  Speaker 3: is trying to make her responsible or acting like it's
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  Speaker 3: a gotcha about Like I was saying this before the show,
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  Speaker 3: it's like such a microaggression, very ignorant, probably right wing
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: that she that she claims that this woman can't have
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: an opposing view about transgenders because she herself is gay.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: It's just I just found that like very retro in
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: terms of its lack of sophistication about this issue.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: But sorry, go ahead.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I just think it's a remarkable thing because, you know, we, Emma,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: you're in a marriage to a woman and you have children.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And I agree with the premise that the ideal model
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: is for a mother and father.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: But we all know there's a lot of exceptions.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And you can still say one is the ideal and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: tolerate and be open. to other alternatives that maybe all
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: else being equal aren't your preference, but it isn't the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: end of the world when those things exist. And I
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: just found this to be kind of awesome to see
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: her just stay flat out. Oh yeah, my version of
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: things is not the ideal and that's okay. And I
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: will co-sign that. And so what are you going to
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: do about it, lady?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: And there's this phrase, I think about this woman that
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I think other people in her party has said that
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: She's like, she's biologically gay, but not politically gay.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Nothing like that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: And then J.D. Vance has this variation of that, which
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: is normal gay. But yeah, exactly.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Like, obviously, right.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't have to, it doesn't, it's not
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: a brain disease.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: You know, you can still acknowledge that 90% of the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: population is heterosexual and like gets married and has kids
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and that that's the best thing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I just thought this is awesome, especially with our personal
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: history doing the show together.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: But let's play some more.
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: But it may be also the fact I'm very liberal
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: about lifestyles. I think everyone should live his own life.
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: And the state should not interfere in every aspect of life.
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: And I'm completely opposing the queer policy and gender stuff.
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: I think this really distorts people, especially when they are young.
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: For instance, in Germany, they got this law in the
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: last government. that young people can change their, not only
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: young people, but starting at a young age, that people
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: can change their gender once a year.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: And this is ridiculous and very disturbing and irritating, especially
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: for young people, for teenagers. And we need to go
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: back to a normal policy and not having constructions like
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: social genders and not having biological genders. I think it
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: is the wrong way and really distorts especially young people.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Did you think the great Zanny had any idea that
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: she was going to get owned like that?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Like that was just a, she's got to be accustomed
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I think you were reminding me that she was on
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: with Bannon recently and he took her to the woodshed
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and a couple of things.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I can't believe she's actually alive and sitting here with
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: this woman to get killed again.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Figuratively, figuratively.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Is that what they said? But yeah, so no, like exactly.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I just find this so compelling. And I mean, if
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I find it compelling, then I would think that the
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: broader audience does too, especially because only because I'm kind
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: of more, I guess, aware or immersed in this space,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: but it made me, it was thinking, I kind of
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: spurred out when I saw this and it made me
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: think of something that I had read a while ago
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: and I, and I kind of dusted it off and,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: and did a little more research on it, but it's like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: She's looking down at this woman and thinking that she
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: has her so good asking this question as if she
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: has her in a gotcha or that she's some sort
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: of hypocrite. I found this especially ignorant because there is
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: actually something that exists in the fringes of society which
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I would consider gays are. It's funny because this woman
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: is literally the leader of the I think, the party
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: that's going to be in power when they do their elections.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And yet she does find herself, because of her nature,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: because of her affliction, depending on who you ask, still
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: in a position where she's not fully mainstream and she
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: never will be.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: And it's impossible for her to be.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: And that then gives her this perspective that's actually really
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: valuable and really sensitive, you know, There's a space on
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: kind of the edges of the mainstream and on the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: fringe where you have people who exist and live there always,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and they kind of end up patrolling that space. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: that's how you have a lot of gay people. who
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: speak out very strongly against what they think is going
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: too far. Because there is such thing as too far.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: It's not just mainstream and then everything else.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: The fringe has boundaries, too.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: And it's the people who are within the fringe but
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: still in touch with the mainstream and sensitive to the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: mainstream and involved in the mainstream.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: That actually get to set those boundaries, really.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Aside from the fact that, like, you know, obviously everybody
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: has a place in the public discourse, but I guess
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: among people on the fringes of society, when you have
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: people kind of lecturing about what's, what's okay and what's normal,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: you know, that can sometimes come off as like, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden, like sitting in a hut in Pakistan,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you know, banging on about infidels.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: You know, whereas when you have gay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: People making those claims about like, what's, what's absurd and
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: like ridiculous and way too much, it has a lot
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: more weight. First of all, because, you know, They exist
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: testing the boundaries of what's okay. And that's just a
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: normal part of their existence.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: It's also part of their survival to know what's okay.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: But more interestingly, it's like.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: I looked up this.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Kind of like a study. And it was by a
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: sociologist in the early 20th century. And it's called Human
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Migration and the Marginal Man. The Concept of the Marginal Man.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: And it's really interesting because he says... The insider experiences
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: social conventions as reality, but the marginal person experiences them
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: as conventions. So it's like if you're super mainstream, you
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: just take for granted what is normal and you think
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: that that's just reality. But somebody who has to actually
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: live in some sort of defiance of what's mainstream has
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: to test, okay, what's real and what's just kind of
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: something that people say and what's acceptable and what's beyond
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: the place of acceptance. And so because of that, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: they're constantly kind of pressure testing society and protecting society
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: from its more radical elements. And I just find that
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: really interesting. I find her place in that conversation really interesting.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And I find it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Extremely condescending for this woman to claim that because she's gay,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: she can't make that statement.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so, and I'm glad you brought up
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the Bin Laden thing because I was just thinking about
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: analogies where you need the edges to police themselves because
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: it's better for people who are on the fringes of society.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this with Muslims.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Like, after 9-11, we were all clamoring, like, where are
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the moderate Muslims? And we got one guy named Zutty Jasser.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Like, that's it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: There was, like, one guy put his hand up and said,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I don't dig it. And everyone else just went about
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: their business, and then they, 25 years, I'm exaggerating for emphasis,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: but there are very few, you can name very few
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: moderate Muslims. I think if I stopped a, if I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: went down to UCLA, and I put out a, one
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of those mics with the little, little, puffy patch on
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: top and said, do you know any moderate Muslims? They
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: couldn't name one person. There's not one person they would name.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: No one would have a single name. And I think
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: that's an amazing thing that we did that for, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: we kept, we were waiting for it, never happened.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: The same thing with some of the trans stuff.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I've been critical of the L's and the G's for
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: not distancing themselves from the T's when privately, and I
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: think some sort of mid-level gay commentators would say stuff
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: like that. Like, I don't get the tease stuff. Like,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: don't let me in with the tease. There need to
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: be a more robust effort for the L's and the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: G's to say, hey, the tease is not us. That's not,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: we don't want to get lumped in. We don't want
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to be in Dave Chappelle's car. with the, with the teas.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: If we're not all going in the same direction.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Not all going the same place. And yet very few did.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And then even the ones who did like, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Caitlyn Jenner said that men should be beating women in sports,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: which is fine. But as I've said so many times
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in the show, he shouldn't have sat for the sexy
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: vanity fair photo shoot. Like, like, like that was a real,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that was a real mistake, I think. So it's the,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: we didn't get enough of the teas, uh, some of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the adult teas and the Elgin G's saying like, wait
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a minute, this is getting crazy. Like, why is a
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: six foot six guy with a big nutsack beating women
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: in high school sports?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Like, why are we doing that? Yeah, for real.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Seriously, we didn't get that. So that's where I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: this is a call for all the people. If you
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: find yourself in one of these communities, you got to
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: police your own.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And they're extra effective because it's like people think that,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: you know, the left loves to say this, and they
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: try to do this, that social norms come from some
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: sort of like, you know, like body or institution that's
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: above us and that then dictates what our norms are down.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And that's actually not true at all. The way that
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: norms change is by regular people coming into contact with
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: an idea and then kind of negotiating that idea between themselves.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: And then that just turning into what the culture, the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: end of that negotiation is what the culture ends up being.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: And so if you have people who are only coming
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: into contact with like psychotic leftists, and that is what the, the,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: whatever group you're talking about is represented by, um, whether
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: it be post nine 11 or whether it be, uh,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: post Leah Thomas. It's the people actually who are most
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: impactful in making the world more comfortable for themselves are
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the people themselves talking and expressing themselves in everyday life.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: And so if you can call out things that are
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: obviously offensive or things that are obviously great at the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: sensibilities of regular people, then you're actually helping marginalized people
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: and yourself at the same time. Again, like that's a
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: That should be a survival instinct. But somehow, I don't know.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Activism or the gay industrial complex has kind of like
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: bullied people out of it or made them doubt that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it's a political thing.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I think the left likes
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to move people as blocks and they wanted to assemble
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a bigger block. So then you pressure people both socially.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And it's about social pressure. It's about trying to move
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: blocks of voters at the same time. And I think
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: that that's why they really were able to convince all
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the L's and the G's and the T's are in
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the same car.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: And they're just not always in the same car. Okay,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I got more because now we got....
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I want to get the great Zanny back on some
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: strong footing here, calling the far-right politician a Nazi.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Let's see how this goes.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: We don't have extremists in our party. We are not
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: an extreme party.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Party.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: It's an unserious framing to be very harmful to our reputation.
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: It doesn't work anymore.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: There are in your party, very clearly, small but clear, frankly,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: neo-Nazi elements.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: No!
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, Björn Höcke, twice found guilty and fined for
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: using Nazi slogans. Just recently, these reports about four advisers
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: to your leader in Sachsen-Anhalt, they were part of the
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: banned neo-Nazi youth movement? Are you denying that there are,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: you're saying there's nobody in the AFD with any proto-fascist tendency?
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: Oh my goodness, this interview has been going very well.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: No, it's important.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: Yes, yes.
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: It's really important. But it's completely, these accusations are completely unfounded.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, then categorically tell me that that is not the case.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: And and if there were you would throw them out.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Oh categorically okay so so what's your take so far
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: how's the.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Great are the nazis in the room with us right.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Now show me on the doll where the nazis touched you.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I love the dismissal of the question, by the way. Yeah,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I know. I agree.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: This is how you do it. I mean, this is
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: just really good stuff. Like, what are you talking about here?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Of course not. Just act like you're crazy for even
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: bringing it up.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: You can see.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: The genuine bewilderment and then immediate contempt that follows that drive-by.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Because... I mean, as conservatives, we're all used to this. Yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: all the time.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Any remotely center-right position that you take, if it deviates
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: from the left, it's all of a sudden far right.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And that is literally just a smear and psychological terrorism
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and a bullying tactic in order to get you to
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: freak out and back off your point. And the way
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that she just so casually throws down such an outrageous
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: line and an outrageous insult, let alone to this woman
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: who is a lesbian, is just ridiculous.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you see the stuff that gets cherry-picked. There's
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: some members of the AFD who think that Germany being
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: obsessed with their Nazi guilt and Nazi past is not
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: healthy for the country. Like, it just I mean, coming
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: from a country where we had slavery and we never
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: stopped talking about it and it makes us all deeply unhappy.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I kind of understand that maybe that there's some point
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: where you don't obsess over it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: If you don't forget it, you don't forget it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Should be allowed.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it sounds like an okay debate point. Like
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: we at least talk about it, right? And of course
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you could cherry pick radical people in any group, but
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: this is where I want to start segueing back to stateside,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: but not before I note, Germany goes to the polls
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in January. So we're coming up. We're just a couple
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: of months away, three months away from presidential election here.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, France is also six months.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and France is in six months.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So we could see some real shifts and you can
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: see it pretty rapidly. If you look at Latin America,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: which was thought of as communist until Trump 45, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: now it's basically majority conservative.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: It just, majority MAGA, it can happen. And so- Look,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, if we.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Get France and Germany- With Le Pen and Vidal, I
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: think we.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Get the world of Obama.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: And Maloney in Italy, who's been disappointing in some ways,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is pretty good.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: We get Obama's ideal world.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right. Yeah, and we're also going to get
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: all the women. All the women are going to be
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the world's going to be run by women.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Run by women. Oh, man, that's delish. That is delish.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It's the, the, the, see, this is a bit like,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I got to go down to, I got to go
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: down to the third street promenade.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: There's no one there now.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Cause all the shops are boarded up, but I got
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to go somewhere and just say, do you believe that France, Germany,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and Italy should all be run by women the same time?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: God, that's good.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: That is good.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Someone please steal the idea and send it to me. No,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: somebody has to ask.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Him about that in, in, uh, his next interview is,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: is are you, are you excited for the.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Female run Europe? Um, and if not, why?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Are there, is it only women with the right opinions?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: You show it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: That would be very, that would be very chauvinist. That
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: would be very, uh, uh, right wing of him.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And so it's a, just to start segueing back, uh,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: stateside looking at, some things that we got going that
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I wanted to get your thoughts on is the, we've
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: got a, today, we got a big October surprise. We
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: got an October surprise that it was revealed, Emma Jo,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: that there was a, there is, was, I don't know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: a member of the U.S. Senate who's a closeted Republican,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and he's part of the closetocracy of people who have
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: compromised on them because they employed male prostitutes. Allegedly, at
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: some point, I'm going to play a little cut of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: this video from this closetocracy documentary that's allegedly being put
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: out by Harry Sisson, who I'm told is not gay,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: despite his online behavior. Despite the allegations. Despite his entire
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: online persona he's crafted for himself. And the Young Turks Network.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Let me play this cut.
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: My name is Kelvin. I had sex with Lindsey Graham
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: as a minor.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I'm Corey and I had sex with Senator Lindsey Graham.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I am Jesse and I had sex with Lindsey Graham.
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: He just said, okay, I think we're done here. I
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: need you to go get dressed. He's like, the $ 120,
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: your payment, is on the rafter that basically where my
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: coat was hung. I didn't notice it before. When I
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: got over there, suddenly it was.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, so these guys are gay prostitutes. One of them
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: said they were 17. It's the.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I'll throw it to you first before I share my opinions.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: How will Lindsey Graham recover? I mean, look, I don't
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: really get it.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, aside from the fact that he's dead, so
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: he's not really running for office right now, couldn't be
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: reached for comment either. Since when is someone being gay
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: an own from the left? And I say that, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I'm being kind of tongue-in-cheek, because actually the left constantly uses.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Homosexuality as a slur, and I find that, I guess,
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: kind of ironic.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Because they're the ones who, I mean, insist that it's
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: homophobic to say that someone... with a penis is not a,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: is not a woman. Uh, and yet somehow this is
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: supposed to be like some sort of big damaging video. Uh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: it just, it just always stuns me because the left, like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, what are they trying to do here?
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: What's the point of this? It's not flattering. They're trying
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: to shame Lindsey Graham.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: It's gay bashing. It's flat out, but.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: We're shaming him, right? We're shaming him for being gay.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Is that, and, and okay.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Like, okay.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Is that like, I I'm confused.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very confusing. They're very schizophrenic.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: And the remaining clips I've got on the other subject matters,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: you'll see this, that they're just very confused in the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: sexuality stuff right now. They can't decide if they're extreme
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: prudes or if they're into gangbangs at the frat party.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Like, they really can't decide.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And I've noticed this phenomenon, I think I brought up
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: on our last show, about how they're on the— they love
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the sex worker's but they hate the patrons. Anyone who
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: uses the sex workers are bad, but being a sex
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: worker is great and should be celebrated.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: No one's ever squared that circle. I don't even know
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: where the logic would be.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: The strain logic here, what they offered, Cenk Uygur of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the Uygur Muslim fame, Cenk Uygur, That's where the name
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: comes from, right?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's got to, right?
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like it. It sounds like there's
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: a related origin.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Go on. Yeah, the Young Turks guy.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: His justification was this was basically could be used to
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: compromise Lindsey Graham.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: First of all, he's dead. He's dead. So it's a
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: how is this going to compromise him?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Second of all, I don't think anyone offered how he
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: was compromised with it, how it was used against him.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: So.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you would raise the hypothetical when
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: he's dead. Third of all, I just delight in the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: fact that they were probably making this when he died,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: which is sad that he died. But just like, imagine
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: when they got the news, when they had this documentary,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: they were teeing up for an October surprise and like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Graham's not going to be here. And so the whole
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: conversation is going to be that all this was, he
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: wasn't blackmailed and now we're going to be outing a
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: dead guy who can't defend himself. And that's going to
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: look disgusting. I just would have loved to have been
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: a fly on the wall in that room when they were,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: when they were talking through all this stuff.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I wonder, like, I mean, the thing that came
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: to my mind, and again, I obviously have no proof
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: of this and we can't ask Lindsey Graham, but I
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: just assume that when I saw this that they can
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: just come out now because the NDAs are probably not
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: enforceable anymore because the guy's dead. Yes.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: And I wonder what I wonder, will there be consequences
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: for something like this? Because it is objectively gross, right?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, does anyone think that this is a good thing?
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Aside from it that it's classless, I'm still kind of
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: hung up on, are they insinuating that him being gay
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: is shameful? And are they insinuating that him being in
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: the closet is shameful? Because being in the closet is
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: one of the most painful things and brutal places that
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: somebody could be psychologically. Like, that's, like, really, really sad.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: And I wouldn't envy him if he was in the
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: closet for his whole life. Like, that's really sad.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And also, what if he wasn't?
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: We're dunking on that?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: What if he wasn't?
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and then there's also the possibility that this
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: is all just.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: total slander i mean i don't whatever who knows why.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Does this even matter what if he just had a
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: low drive and never got married and got his he
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: enjoyed his life just having a lot of political power
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: and having fun doing that and like what if he
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: wasn't and i bet he was like i don't i
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: mean i've got reasonable gaydar i think and i'm i'm
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: not purporting to put out some sort of conspiracy that
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: he was like actually a real he was a real
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Lothario ladies band like he was a real Casablanca I'm
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: not saying that but I'm saying what if he was
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a straight guy and he just was not that animated
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: by those sorts of things in his life and then
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you're doing this while he's dead like that's even worse
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: And who's to say I trust all these gay prostitutes
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: who were banging on Lindsey Graham for $ 120?
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I don't trust you. Like, who are you?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: One of them got the cauliflower ear, too, and what's
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that about? It's like, I don't trust these guys.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, totally.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I find it fascinating that this is what the left,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, for a supposedly strong position, this is a
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: very strange conversation to want to have.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I just find it very interesting that this is, it just,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: they're trying to control the narrative.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Is this what we're doing when we're winning? Yeah.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: It's the, it's the, so, and it's now they're, you
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: need to attack his sister, by the way. So it's like,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: could you imagine any family, just insert whatever family comes
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: first to mind. Imagine that you're running for office, a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: woman running for office, and you're getting attacked because your
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: brother was a closeted gay.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I seriously, like, don't know. I mean,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: how does one respond? It's like, is your brother gay
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: or is your sibling gay? It's like, I don't know. Like,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: This is just so bizarre.
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: How long?
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: I can't understand it. I truly can't understand it coming
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: from any angle.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But this has been such a recurring theme because I
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: talk so often about how the Democrats have acted as
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: though they have some sort of monopoly on compassion, that
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: they're the more empathetic ones, and they're the ones who
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: are more tolerant.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: And then we just play the AFD.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Woman describing brilliantly what tolerance is all about, that you
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: could think of something as the ideal, as they'll tolerate
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: things that are not meeting that ideal. And then you've
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: got the left being like, yeah, the dead guy was gay,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: so let's out him.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: For real. What?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And these are their champions.
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: For real.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I know.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: It's, yeah, well, we know, like, the left, like, wraps
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: themselves in tolerance and rainbows and, like, whatever as a
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: disguise for what they actually are, which is totalitarians. And
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: this is just, like, seeking maximum pain. For the sake
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: of it, because this person is running for office, this
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: person isn't even alive.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: It's also noteworthy that it's, in our modern times, for better,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: for worse, and usually this is for worse, that if
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: you want to be a senator, you have to endure
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the public colonoscopy.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Pardon the expression.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to be that way.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Are you hearing it if you like it?
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Does it have to be that way, though?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Could we have any sort of dignity or privacy allowed
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: to people? Or is there no level where we just go,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: that's too far? Because I would like for there to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: be some line. I'm not saying that the line for
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a private person and a line for a public person
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: has to be the same. I understand that. I'm a
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: news person. I report on stuff that people don't want
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: reported about them every day. Every day, I put out something,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: someone doesn't want reported about them.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I understand that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: But can we ask ourselves... is there a line and does,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I used to think outing was a cross it. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: used to think everyone agreed on that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: A hundred percent. Uh, yeah.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Ask Gawker.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Uh, but yeah, like, I mean, look, I'm the first
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: person like to, in my journalism career to not care about, um,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: you know, is this story polite or not or whatever. Um,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: but it always has to just be newsworthy. And like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: as an editor, I watch this, um, and think, I
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: don't get it. Like, I just don't get what the
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: news hook is other than just humiliation.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: But that's not a news hook.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, I'm talking as a person who had
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden laptop and like, you know, for exhibitionism's sake,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you could have just put like this guy's nudes out,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: but you can't do that because they don't have news
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: value unless you're just a pig.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I want to make a segue here because, again, we're
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: trying to keep up with what's couth and what's uncouth
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: because now all of a sudden being gay and in
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the closet is uncouth to the left. Also, the left
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: now is policing jokes and they've got comedians policing jokes
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: again because I guess Woke One wasn't crazy enough. We're
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: back on policing jokes. And a guy named Kenan Thompson,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: who's been on SNL forever, he was on when I
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: was growing up a show called All That.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Which is a kid's sketch comedy show yeah yeah yeah
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: i remember that wow.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: He has a very long career doing sketch comedy and
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: he's taken issue with shane gillis calling women whores at
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the do we say women be acting like whores at
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the gym or whatever he said let's uh play this
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: cut at a forum with axios which i want your
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: thoughts on that too emma but let's play the cut
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: first you.
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: Know yeah i know shane and i don't know him
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: to be you know a mean person necessarily um But yeah,
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: if he were to come back, I'm sure we would
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: have a conversation of like, how do you think that went?
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: You know what I mean? And what do you think
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: you could have done?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Like a little kid.
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: I would just sit him down and be like, yeah,
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: so what do you think we could change there, pal?
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: And just figure it out. But yeah, I guess it's
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: just finding the balance of both things, like allowing creative liberties,
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: but also kind of like watching your step as far
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: as you know, harmful words are concerned because I think
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: everybody's just, like you said, everybody's focusing in on this
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: one specific word or one specific part of the monologue.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: All right, I can't hear any more rambling. Your thoughts?
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, now that just makes sense. It's a media panel.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like, why? Like, what?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Like, they dusted this guy off and put him on
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: an Axios thing? But yeah, anyway, I find this interesting
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: because for the left, it's like, it's like, Making fun
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: of someone lightheartedly in the context of a comedy routine
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: is not allowed and is sinful. But making fun of
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: somebody completely serious, like, sorry, shaming somebody not in the
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: context of making fun of them as a joke, but
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: completely seriously, as in the context of the video you
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: just played before this, that's totally fine. Or is it
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: only if the demographic is right-wing coded or explicitly right-wing
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: as opposed to left-wing coded, like, as I guess women
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: are supposed to be?
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: This all just feels, like, incoherent to me.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't think Shane Gillis was
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: trying to be, like, harmful, whereas that video outing somebody
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: is absolutely harmful.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: One of them gets this sort of like somber, somber.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Somber election. That's right.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: For three weeks.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: And the other is celebrated by one of the most
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: progressive producers in the country.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: I'm just I find the left like, you know, they
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: really have no class.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: They really have no class.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: And I, it is the opposite of the Axios in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the background. He's just slouched over in his chair. And
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I think he was trying to kind of make a
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: joke there, but it wasn't really a very good joke.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And he's got the super dark shades and it just,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: it's so here, here's the point. He says he went
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Shane Gillis to watch his step. I don't want comedians
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: to watch their step. I want them to push the limit.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I want them to entertain. I want them to come
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: up with ideas that the rest of us are too
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: afraid to share publicly.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: That's what I want.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want them living in fear because one day
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: you can't say women who are wearing nothing but spandex
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: and sports bras to the gym are dressing like whores.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: That's such a minor thing. And as I noted on the,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I think it was either with you Emma or on
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the live show or somewhere. The whole monologue, he's crushing himself.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's relentlessly self-deprecating. This is a rare bit where he's
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: making fun of something not himself. It's seven minutes of
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: him just roasting himself brutally. And he says, and by
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the way, women are dressing like whores at the gym, right?
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: And it's like, which is true. They are, which we discussed.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Intentionally, by the way, and publicly.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: On purpose, so they're going to look at them, and
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: so that they can get likes online, and this is
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a phenomenon, and it's worth joking about, because it's funny,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: and it's also happening, and it's real. But, like, watch
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: your step and talk to him like a kid. See,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I think this was sort of a botched bit, but
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I just find it wild that Kenan Thompson, who ostensibly
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: is a professional comedian, I can't recall laughing at something
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: he's done, but I don't... I don't know, he's, I guess,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: a mildly amusing person, and the thought... that he's going
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: to talk to a guy who literally is the Guinness
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: record for selling out stadiums, Jane Gillis.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: He's going to sit him down and talk to him
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: like a kid. That flew out of his mouth. I'm speechless.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I really am.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like the sunglasses and the slouch to me
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: appeared that he's trying to, like, look cool while he's saying, like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: the most, like, nagging and obnoxious and kind of, like,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: unchill thing that he could say, which is, like, scolding
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: another comedian for like not being like nice enough to
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: women or something like it's just i guess he's trying
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: to play something off that he knows is um not
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: he's trying to improve the image from what he's actually saying.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly and it's all uh just a i don't
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: know why there aren't more people pointing this out All right,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: so my good friend Ezra Doulas, who works for me
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: at Breitbart News, he caught something on the Call Her
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Daddy podcast, which is where a lot of women go
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: to get demonically possessed, I guess, which is one of
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the most popular podcasts in the world. They talk about
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of adult content, sex and dating and stuff
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: like that. The host, Alex Cooper, is known for inventing
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: a blowjob technique, apparently. So that's where she got famous
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: with that. And she got a lot of business deals
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that come from producing such content, which is free to
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: produce it. But she's with actress Sophia Bush, who's on
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: her third marriage. First two were with men. She's now
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: on one with a woman. And this is... how they
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: talk about men in marriages. Let me play this cut
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: for you, Emma. We can get really, really in our
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: heads about, oh my God, I feel like I'm, maybe
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't leave this marriage because can I even get better?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And the answer is always yes.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: The answer is always yes.
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: And this idea that it's too late or you're too
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: old or who are you to want more?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: That's patriarchy.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: That is crazy.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: We don't need it. Emma, your thoughts?
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: That's so awful. Yeah, I saw this clip today and
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: it's so bad. It's just so harmful to people. I mean,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think that women watch this podcast and get, like,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: into some sort of trance where they all of a sudden, like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: lose their judgment. I don't want to go that far,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: you know. But at the same time, it's just, like,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: such an awful and, like, unflattering conversation for the people
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: having it, at least.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: You know, and it just, I mean, it goes to show, obviously,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: they have no regard for marriage. But, like, I think
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: what's more sad about it is that they clearly have
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: no concept of love. And it's like, well, yeah, like,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: out of, like, 8 billion people in the world, like,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: you could probably always find somebody, like, hotter or nicer
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: or smarter, I suppose. But, but like, that's not the
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: point of marriage or companionship or love. You know, it's,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I think when you're in love with somebody, the rest
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: of the world just kind of falls away because they become, they,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: they become their own category of one.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: And, and Ideally, you'd like that to stay that way
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: for the rest of your life.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: And there's tons of things that you can do, obviously,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: to maintain that feeling. But I think that that's precisely
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: the feeling of being in love is that it doesn't matter.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: You don't even regard it. You don't even notice it. Yeah.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And you're just hurting the women who are receiving this advice.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: That's the not to. take something seriously, I probably ought not.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: But if anyone's hearing this and getting advice, a lot
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: of women can't always do better.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the time that part of.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: What keeps spark in a marriage is when you're competing
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to try to impress your spouse and try to make
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: your spouse feel like you think of them as that's
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: my girl or that's my guy. And you want them
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: to desire you and you want to earn that. But
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: you also want to have the commitment because that's also
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: reassuring in the tougher moments. And if for me, I
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: don't know my marriage, if I didn't feel like my
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: wife was a hundred percent committed to me, then it
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: would be very bad for it. We would, it would
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: just become a, you know, I'm, I'm not a divorce guy,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: so I don't know we divorced, but it'd be like, I,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: we would, it would just become business. Like it would
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: just be like a business of the house, which is
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: so depressing. Am I just even talking about that? It's
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: so depressing. It's a, all the love comes from the commitment.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Like that's where it comes from. And then from there,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: you aren't narcissistic. You don't just think about yourself all
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the time. You think about how do I serve you?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: How do we serve each other? And it's a two-way street.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: It's not a one-way street. It's going to be a
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: two-way street and you compliment each other. And that's the
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: essence of a meaningful marriage. And that's, I guess, not
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: sexy enough podcast talk. It's more fun to tell a
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: bunch of people say, oh no, you can do better.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: You are the best. You're better than anyone else. I
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: know you want me, boy, but you can't have this.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Like, it's like, well, is that making, how's that going?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Is that working out?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like we've gone down this road where that's
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: been the general advice from the podcast crowd for a while.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So how are the relationships doing? Are they improving?
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Every other podcast seems like it's a relationship podcast or
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: relationships better than ever, I assume, because there's so many
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much that I'm thinking about while
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: you're talking and thinking about that clip that don't even
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: know if I can like say this stuff like on
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: a podcast not that anything is crude or crass but
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: it just I don't know I mean I'm not caller
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: daddy you know so it always feels strange to talk
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: about this in an audience of thousands of people but
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I mean it also like makes me wonder like if
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: they've ever I mean I know that uh the host
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: has a kid now and and she's obviously been with
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: this guy who she's with I don't know if they're
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: married or but they've been together long term but it
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: really makes you wonder because I guess the subtext or
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: what's implied in this conversation is that like, you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you can get better, like better romance and better sex.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Like all like elsewhere.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: And, and, um, commitment dampens that in some way, which,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm trying to measure what I say and,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: and practice some restraint in this conversation, but it's like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: that's not how it is.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: That's not how it works. If anything, like commitment's hot.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: And, um, you can, you can definitely, I think within the,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: within the boundaries of commitment actually is where, um, full
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: expression and ease, um, exist.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I know that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: There are people maybe who say otherwise, but like these girls,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: but I don't know how true that is. I, that's
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: just the opposite of my experience and the opposite. I
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: think of, of like what, what proves all like actual
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: happy marriages is that, It's only within commitment that you
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: actually have true freedom, first of all, to discover yourself,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: to be yourself, to express yourself. And that's in the
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: relational sense and in the sexual sense.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just playing with this concept.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about how a marriage can be like
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: a novel in a way where it might start off
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: and that's very exciting time and that's a great time.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: But as you get further into it and you're really
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: invested in it, it's really a part of your routine,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like you're reading it. And maybe you're looking forward to
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: more at a certain point. You're thinking like, wow, I
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: really appreciate everything that I've been through. And also, I'm
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: really excited about what's coming next. And maybe the best
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: stuff comes well into it. Even though you were excited
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: at the start, maybe the best parts are later on.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of how I've conceptualized it. There's so
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: many surprises in a long time. Marriage, I just had
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: my 14th anniversary with Mrs.
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: Dr.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Marlowe.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: As I say on pretty much every show, we started
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: dating when we were 17. We're 40 now. Though she's
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: also 34 occasionally, depending on, you know.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also 25. Yeah, sure. But it's the.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: There's so many surprises.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: There's just so many things have gotten so much better
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: than I never would, never to cross my mind when
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: we got married at 26. Like it was like, it
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: never crossed my mind. Like some of the things we're
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: enjoying now. And it's the, and it would be impossible.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I won't lay out all the detail, but there's just
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: so many moments are just so fantastic. And it's just,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get there if you're trying to
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: do better every four to six years, like Sophia Bush does.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: Well, that's it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: And you miss out on the crazy intimacy of of
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: going through so many years with somebody and and being
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: known like as as naturally happens by spending every single
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: day and and going to sleep next to somebody every
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: night um for i mean in your case it's like
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: 20 years yeah you know over those years it's like
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: that the you reach a point of closeness that like,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just can't, I mean, I don't under like, again,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: like these people are so, I don't understand this mentality
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: at all because I mean, I think that marriage is
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: one of the happiest and, and, and deepest experiences, most
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: fulfilling experience in so many ways that you can have.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: And to think about it as this thing that, not
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: only is disposable, but that there is any draw whatsoever
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: in trying to start again three times.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I always like to do cool
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: and interesting things, and that does guide a lot of
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: my decisions on close calls. I try to take the
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: more interesting... thing, what's a better, not as something hard
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: or easy, is it fun or pleasurable? A lot of
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: time I go with, well, what's more interesting? And I'll
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: tell you, the most interesting thing I got going is
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: my marriage. I don't know if I predicted that would
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: be the case, but it's very interesting. It's very interesting
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: to forge a life with a complex individual who, there's
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: so many dynamics. There's just there's love there's parenting there's
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: financial stuff of course there's you know intimacy stuff there's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: so many layers in america it's completely fascinating and rich
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: it's almost indescribable and then we it's a just the
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: thought that you're coaching young women who are already running
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: incredibly depressed to think that yeah even if you're in
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: a marriage maybe you should get out of it just
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: i it's it's almost that's what i'm saying it's hard
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: to even take it seriously.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, it's like sad because I mean, again,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: like I don't want to assume and I hope not
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: that there aren't legions of women who are like following
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: this advice. But, you know, we can make assumptions based
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: on at least the people who are saying this stuff.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, there's a real lack of
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: depth to life when you.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Live that way. You know, exactly. Like, interesting. I mean, yeah,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: for sure. It's interesting. And it's also like transcendent.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another one.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Link up.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: It's a sacrament for me. In my faith. Yeah, my
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: faith is a sacrament.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: It's one of the most important days of your life
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: in the religious sense as well. I think that there's
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: so much. It does speak for itself. It's one of
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: those proverbial things where it's just the absolute nature of
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: how they deliver it. It's just the horrible nature of
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: the advice, the fact that it's coming from such hypocrites.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Alice Cooper finally got married after being basically a public— uh,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: floozy for years, got married and seems to like it,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: like likes being married, seems to like her husband has
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: a baby. And so it's like, and still recommending everyone
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: get out of your marriage. You can always do better.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Okay. So it's a, but here, let's sign her up
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: for another few more deals, uh, for endorsements.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Let's, um, I, I got a Cornell Ray Pokes update
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: for some reason, Katie Couric, who I ran into her,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: she doesn't know me or anything, but I didn't not
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: looking good. She's aging rapidly. So I'm wondering if she's
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: sick or something. I did see her in Beverly Hills.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Looks very, very frail. She's a podcasting, I guess. And
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: she had on that Cornell professor that we brought up
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: last time, Kate Mayne. Kate Mann, I think it's pronounced Mann,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I think, who was the advising the student reporters about
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: the Jane Doe, who broke the Jane Doe story and
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: saying that men are rewarded for rape culture at Cornell.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: We got a new cut of her. I don't want
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: to share this with you.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Here it is.
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: And are we talking about this enough? Like, in a sense,
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: I know this is a conversation parents are having and
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: certainly something people worry about.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: But when we have a book like.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt that really doesn't mention
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: rape and says social media, it's not great for boys,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: but it's worse for girls because of mental health, it
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: seems to me to completely omit what is in a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: way the most striking and pressing problem about age in
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: terms of social media use amongst young people, which is
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: I worry about, if I can put it candidly, the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: rapey generation.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: The anxious generation is about online addictions and how it's
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: ruining childhood.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: It's not about rape.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: So it's a, that's almost like saying that there was
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: a book about baseball, but it didn't, it didn't mention rape.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: So it's not related.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: And, It shows you where this woman's head's at. Okay,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: let me play the rest.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: If I can put it candidly, the rapey generation. I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: worry that many of these problems are getting worse. We
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: are clear in the data that the problem of sexual
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: violence is not getting better. And I do think we're
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: seeing some indications that it's getting worse. And why wouldn't
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: it be, given the way online spaces and misogynistic politics.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Love to see Katie just nodding along.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Those of you who are just listening, and I'm a listener,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I totally sympathize, but she's just nodding. This woman is
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: spitting absolute pablum at her, and Katie Couric looks like
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: she's half asleep, her head super low in the frame,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: and she's nodding along like, I agree with this, the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: rapey generation.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: We should be talking about rape every second. Let's never
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: stop talking about rape.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: Pornography and YouTube and all the rest of it is
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: pushing this content and saying this is normal, this is sexy,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: this is cool, and this is the way to be
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: a man. Like, I think we need to absolutely make
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: this strange again for people and say, how did we
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: get here and how are we letting this happen to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: boys and young men who really need better influences and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: also to be, I think, exposed to much less in
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: the way of social media in order to avoid some
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: of these problems.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, I kind of like where she, I think men
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: need better mentors and probably less social media. I think
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: that's true.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: But it's the, if I'm a man, Emma, and I'm
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: watching that, and we're going to try to call it
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the rapey generation now, it's just like, dating's over. It's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: just like, why even try to date? Because you know,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: if it gets, do you remember back in Me Too,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I have a few favorite Me Too's to cite. But
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite ones to cite was Aziz Ansari,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: who got Me Too'd. He's a small comedian. And it
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: sounded like he had an awkward date, like he had
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: a bad date. And then he got basically lumped in
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: with the Harvey Weinsteins of the world because he had
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: a bad date. And that's the sort of thing where
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I just thought that was so over the top. And
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: any guy who's not just suave, debonair, super handsome, super sophisticated,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: hearing this, thinking, well, if I take a woman on
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: a date, she doesn't like.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: It, then.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: this is just, it's just a green light for more
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: false rape, rape accusations.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. Like the whole time I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: was listening to that, I'm like, what is she like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: defined rape as? Like, because the way that she's talking
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: and she's mashing up so many, like what I think she,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: she's cobbling together so many different things that I don't
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: think there was any like coherent definition between everything that
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: she was saying. It's like, on the one hand, she's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: talking about like porn and like that exposure and, And
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: so I'm, like, thinking to myself, like, okay, is rape
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: called just, like, extreme sexual tastes? Because that is, like,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: a real thing, and that's probably unique to this generation,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: or at least it's emerging as something more common where
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: people are getting, like, you know, more, like, kind of,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: I guess... the limits of what's what's acceptable in sex
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: is kind of like expanding because there's so much ubiquitous
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: access to to porn and I'm like okay that's supposed
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: to be rape and like maybe like there's something to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: that although I wouldn't use the word rape and then
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: she's she's talking about like obviously the the students I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: think is the context of this conversation but that wasn't
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: what happened at all. If you read the report of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: what the girl said, there wasn't anything particularly extreme or
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: that you would imagine was influenced by porn or had
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: anything to do with that. So I was trying to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: like link together what she was saying to find some
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: sort of definition of the terms here.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: And I couldn't find it. And then it just makes
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: me think, well, yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Like this is just like, some strange like ritual exercise
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: of demonizing men and like scaring them and for that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: matter scaring women i mean women are vulnerable to physical
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: over being physically overpowered so like if they think that
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: like the men of their generation are all rapists like
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: what does that do to women's perception and ability to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: like connect with guys uh like this woman is just
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: utterly toxic and stupid.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, both of those things, and thus she is a
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: professor at Cornell.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Right, of course, and she plays perfectly.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Here's where I wanted to wind up, Emma.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: So there's an ad that's playing in Ireland that you
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: have to really see this to believe this. I'll try
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: to break it down, but this is the natural evolution
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: of our obsession over consent, which, again, just to state
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: the obvious for the source-funded freaks who monitor the show,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I am, I, you should not be raping anyone.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: You should not be engaging any behavior where you don't
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: have consent.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: But it is absurd to think that we're just going
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: to stop every four and a half seconds and get
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: some sort of a signed waiver, like you're in the
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Fifty Shades of Grey movie, like for whatever activity is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: going to take place. like you're on some sort of
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: pornography set, you know, like sign off on all the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: stuff ahead of time.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: That's not romantic. That's not going to increase intimacy.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: That's not going to increase, that's not going to preserve
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  Speaker 2: Western civilization if we have that standard.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the, we're going to die off if that's
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  Speaker 2: where we're going. And that is exactly where we're going.
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  Speaker 2: And here's some evidence from Ireland.
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  Speaker 1: Granny, grandma. Not everyone wants a hug, even from the
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  Speaker 1: people who love them. Awkward?
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  Speaker 9: Maybe.
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  Speaker 7: Important?
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: We-consent.ie is here to help.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm going to play this again, and then
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  Speaker 2: I'll describe it for anyone who's just in the car.
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  Speaker 2: But it starts off with a normal family home.
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  Speaker 1: There's a knock at the door. It's grandma and grandpa.
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  Speaker 2: There is a son or grandson who looks very white,
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  Speaker 2: like the white parents. And he immediately embraces the white grandparents.
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  Speaker 2: And then there is a much more cafe au lait
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  Speaker 2: colored individual.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why they made this decision. But I guess, look,
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  Speaker 1: we have mixed families now, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: But a little older girl slash young woman who is
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  Speaker 2: now going to get the hug and kiss from grandma,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: their grandparents. And she is going to reject it. And
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: then the whistling comes on with the note about consent.
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  Speaker 1: Not everyone wants a hug, even from the people who
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: love them.
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  Speaker 9: Awkward?
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  Speaker 5: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Important? Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm relieved to say, Emma, that this one did seem
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  Speaker 2: like it got a lot of backlash. It seemed like
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  Speaker 2: even the establishment press was saying that this is just way.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Over the top here.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that this made it to air, some
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  Speaker 2: ad for some group, consent group, the problem is your.
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  Speaker 1: Grandparents hugging you.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, there was a group at the bottom
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  Speaker 4: of that that was some sort of rape group.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what was the group
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: that put out, I'll solve that, but what else did
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: you see in that thing that struck you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, if I was like, if my
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: brain was more fried than it is, which I know
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: people can't even imagine that possibility, but if it was
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: more fried than it is, I would think that this
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: was some sort of like vast conspiracy to just like,
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  Speaker 3: just like destroy all bonds possible for any sort of
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  Speaker 3: familial relationships at all. Because it's like, consent for your
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  Speaker 3: grandparents to give you a hug and a kiss? It's like,
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  Speaker 3: what is going on? Like, there's something so evil about
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: what that implies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is where we need to be able
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  Speaker 2: to have agency over our own lives, and this is
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: a word that's popularized by the left, and it's a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: good word, and it matters, because I'm kind of a hugger,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: and I don't have a lot of close personal friends.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not hugging constantly, but I love to make physical
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: contact with my children. I like to hug my children.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: When they're upset, I'm not what I was. What's the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: quiet parenting? What's the trendy parenting?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: Gentle parenting.
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  Speaker 1: What is it called?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Gentle parenting.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever it is. I'm not that either.
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  Speaker 2: But there is, for a couple of them, when they're
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: in a tirade of some sort, like a 45-second hug
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  Speaker 2: that just knocks it right out.
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  Speaker 1: And it just, it is a good move. And those
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: of you who.
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  Speaker 2: Are young parents who've not tried that, sometimes your instinct
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: is to yell or something, but sometimes it's the big hug.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Bring it in. Hold them as they try to squirm away.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: That is a move that works.
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  Speaker 2: And we're saying that, well, we need to start granting
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: consent for your 13-year-old to give you a hug. And
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: this is the group, the Dublin Rape Crisis Center, which
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: from my quick research does get government funding. So the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Irish state does send money to this group. And they're
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: on a kick to get us to stop hugging family members.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: It is another one where, how do you take it seriously?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should, Emma, like maybe we should start taking
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  Speaker 2: this stuff seriously. This is really, really bad.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, what you just said is
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: so real.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: And that is like your kids having like a chemical
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: reaction to that. Like, first of all, I mean, they
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: get regulated when they can't regulate themselves and you hug them,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: they get regulated by you. And aside from like the
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: you know, the oxytocin and dopamine. Like, there's all these
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: hormones that get released when you get a hug from
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: your family. And, like, I mean, the concept of applying, like,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: sexual consent, which is obviously what consent is shorthand for,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: to a relationship with your grandparents, to me, is, like,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: so deranged, postmodern in the scariest way. And sharing, like,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: crossing categories that are disgusting. in their implication and in practice.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: And all that'll do, again, like we're talking about, you know,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: this talk of like rape culture and how freely people
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: use the word rape and what that does to damage
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: relationships between like, you know, romantic interests of men and women.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Imagine like what extending that kind of like glib mischaracterization
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: of can do to relationships between family members.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, what exactly were they getting at?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: It's so depressing. It's such a depressing thought that that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: could be where we're heading. And I just don't think
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: we are, but there's everything wrong with this. First of all,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: we need to have some ability to parent our own
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: kids and grandparent our own kids. And it's interesting because
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I've got, just like all grandparents have their own quirks
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: to them, And one thing that's, for me, that I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: think about a lot is that I really have a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: policy that I try to almost never say no to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: the grandparents. And I try to put myself in their
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: shoes that when I'm 70 years old and I have grandchildren,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: God willing, that I'm not going to want my kids
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: telling me what to do if it's within reason. So, like,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: if the grandparents want to do something, I try to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: let them. I try to say, yeah, I try to
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: be supportive. If they want to hug for my kids,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: my kids don't want to hug them back, I'm going
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: to be giving them a talking to. And maybe they'll
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: throw a tantrum and then maybe I'll hug them too.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And there'll be like a lot of hugging going on.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: But it's the thought that like the grandparents, you got
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: to think twice. Last point here, Emma, and then I'll
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: throw it back to you. What you said about sexual consent,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: we went so quickly from, I grant you permission to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: enter my body to your grandparents hugging you. Like, would
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: this take like three years? We went that whole arc?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: Seriously. Well, that's exactly. And maybe like I'm thinking about it.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: It's like, OK, like if you want to have a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: conversation about like kids being allowed to have boundaries, like
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: maybe that's a different conversation. But also hugging and kissing
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: your grandparents is I mean, it's just a matter of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: basic respect. like, I've never entered my grandparents' house and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: not greeted them with a hug and a kiss because,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, aside from the fact that boundaries in that
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: circumstance or consent would never even occur to me, I'm, like, eight,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: but also it's, like, that is the only acceptable and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: appropriate way to show, like, to greet somebody in that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: position in your life. It's just, this conversation, like I
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: can't even, it's very difficult for me to think about
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: all of these things that we have always taken for
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: granted because they've always just been cultural norms and, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: gestures of, of, of respect and, and love for people
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: who naturally earn that place in my life without having
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: to do anything. And, and I feel like this just
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: flattens all of the culture that that come so naturally
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: to us.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: It's funny, it's like this conversation is kind of coming
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: full circle.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: And I was, you know, being maybe a little bit arrogant,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: talking about how, you know, the people on the margins
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: of society can notice and be sensitive and kind of
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: like more intellectually advanced on what norms and what's norms
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: and what's real and what's convention. And now I'm sitting
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: here looking at the left really outdoing me on this.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they really are.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: So this is my point is that we're in, I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: opened up the conversation today talking about how we're close to,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: elections are happening as I'm pointing on every show. that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: we're already voting. And I say, I got my ballots
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: on the table. I'm looking at it right now. It's the,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: I can vote today if I feel like it. So
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: it's the, do we think the fact that the, you know,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: the Iran war is unpopular and the, the stuff is
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: too expensive.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: That's all real. Okay. I get it.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: But the Democrats and the left globally are so scary.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: And I, that's why I brought in the French stuff.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: And now we end up in Ireland with them taking
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: the consent stuff to this level. And do people understand,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: are people wisening up to the world is going to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: be a lot more fascist and a lot less fun
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: if we continue to go down this road where we're
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: indulging radical wokeism and Islam?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we have a fun time on this
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: show and we talk about cultural stuff and stuff that
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: isn't like the hard news. But I think that actually,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: you know, if you go to 30,000 feet, this show
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: and these conversations are exactly where the left is like operating.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: And what they're doing isn't any particular policy per se.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: It's ripping apart the fabric of our society through culture
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: and through poisoning our culture, more specifically. And this is
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: like the most extreme and I find like a... aggressive
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: and like stunning example of that where you're now poisoning
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: the idea of a relationship between granddaughter and grandmother. There's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: like almost nothing I could think of that's more pure
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: and like innocent and just good.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: Than that relationship.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: And the idea of whatever they're insinuating, bringing the conversation
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: there and trying to call attention to that and and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: bring it back up to be litigated is something that
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: is so insidious and disgusting.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: And it's like, that's where the left is the most destructive.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: You know, you could talk about their policy on immigration,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: which is definitely bad. You could talk about their policy on,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: on socialized medicine, which is horrific. But I find that
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: there's some cord that's struck by the left. They find
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: a way to get to that really gets under my skin.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: It actually like makes the hair on the back of
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: my neck stand up when I think about it.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: The one thing that I've thought about, I mean, I've
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: thought about so many things, but I've thought about for
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: so long how the older I've gotten, the more I've
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: just embraced that family is everything and it's the only
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: thing you can count on.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: It's your greatest respite. It's your greatest source of joy
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: and support.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: And the fact that some government-funded NGO or whatever this
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: thing is is trying to interfere with the family dynamics
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: it really is outrageous and i'm glad it was completely
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: rejected i do even have pulled the uh ad which
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: is fine just the fact that this got approved by
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people i would love to see if
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: any of them went to cornell i know it's in
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: ireland but i bet you someone someone went to went
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: to professor man's class.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah no totally it's This is like, you know, it's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: maybe this is a conversation for another podcast. One day
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: we have to talk about maybe next show because it
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: is the midterms and all of this is now very relevant.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: But we have to do a show where we talk
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: about the origins of the democratic socialists and the progressive
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: movement writ large in America because it's a very interesting story.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: And the OGs, at least in the U.S., when they
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: see this in their private social circles are absolutely appalled.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: They are absolutely appalled by where the left has taken
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: the movement from the original DSA, which is what this
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: is all kind of an outgrowth of. And it's all
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: very interesting.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: But where are they? They got to release their own fringes. Yeah, seriously, right?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: Seriously, you know where they are? They're in MAGA.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of them are. All right,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Emma Jo, I appreciate this as always. Thanks for giving
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: the audience the gift of a long episode. They always
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: ask for more on the Emma Jo episodes. The only
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: one where they ever say, which I take some personal
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: offense to this, the only one they ever say, I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: wish it was longer.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Like, no one ever says that about my other shows.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: No way.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: Don't tell me that I already have enough ego problems all.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: The YouTube comments are we love Emma Jo and then
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: some people suggest I have you on more often which
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: I always find interesting she's the only one who comes
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: on every week so it's the but it's a look
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: it's a something's working here Emma I appreciate you at
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• 1:18:13
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• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: today thanks to Missy for putting this together go in
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  Speaker 2: peace to love and serve the Lord
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.