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The Big Issues - Wednesday 24th March 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: In for Caadie Wolf this morning. While we've chop and
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Speaker 1: changed this segment a few times, it was this time
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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday morning. We bumped it back to a Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: but back to a Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: Again to get it right in this place. Maddie, it's
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Speaker 2: either it's either Katie or it's Hailey. But you know
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Speaker 2: there's always some sort of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Has one shame though, Well, well I was going to say,
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Speaker 1: and Damie Hale, good morning to your bike.
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Speaker 2: Maddie Hawaiian detective shirt today Maddie's unshaved.
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Speaker 1: Da if you didn't like you've stepped off a plane
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Speaker 1: from Hawaii, though.
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Speaker 3: Big big call out to Katie Wolf, who's not film.
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Speaker 3: I hope Katie feels better soon.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, she's a workaholic and she did want
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Speaker 1: to battle on, particularly this week being a parliamentary sittings
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Speaker 1: week here in the territory.
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Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe that she is crooked.
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Speaker 2: I mean, every time I look at it, she's a
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Speaker 2: picture of health and fitness, and she's.
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Speaker 1: The fittest and healthiest person I know. Yes, but she's
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Speaker 1: battling a bit of a cough at the moment, which
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Speaker 1: has triggered a bit of asthma as well, so she's
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Speaker 1: resting up good. No, it's not at all. No, no
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Speaker 1: lies of the healthiest person.
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Speaker 3: We passive smoke with what comes off your shirt.
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Speaker 1: That is too.
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Speaker 4: Gentlemen.
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Speaker 1: I want to get into one of the top stories
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Speaker 1: of what's probably not been the week but the month now,
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Speaker 1: and that's the ongoing controversy in Parliament House in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: This week again we've heard more allegations of leude acts
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Speaker 1: performed in minister's offices. This is just one of many
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Speaker 1: reports and allegations that we've heard coming out of Parliament House,
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Speaker 1: allegations of sexual assault inappropriate behavior. Before we discuss this, though, Dave,
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Speaker 1: you pointed something out before that I do want to
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Speaker 1: acknowledge as well, and that we are three blokes sitting
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Speaker 1: in the room talking about this this morning and at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day. A lot of this is
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Speaker 1: about the behavior that women have copped whilst in Parliament
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Speaker 1: House as well, so in many ways we are probably
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Speaker 1: not qualified to talk about this. But no, no, but
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Speaker 1: insane that you have both represented the territory in Canberra before.
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Speaker 1: I mean, is it as bad as these allegations that
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Speaker 1: we're hearing has it been a toxic culture for a
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Speaker 1: long time and we're only just hearing about it, or
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Speaker 1: has it gotten worse? And this is not what you
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Speaker 1: remember the Parliament House that you served in.
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Speaker 4: Well go, I'll go first.
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Speaker 3: There's no other workplace in Australia like Parliament House in Canberra,
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Speaker 3: you know all of us, and Dave will attest this
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Speaker 3: that you everyone picked something to do when they get
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Speaker 3: there in regards to a bit of sport. So some
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Speaker 3: people ride, some walks, some play touch footy. I played
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Speaker 3: touch footy, other swim, do weights, whatever it is. So
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Speaker 3: Julio and the member for Paramatta came and saw us
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Speaker 3: as a group when we first went in and said, look,
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Speaker 3: she put on ten kilos in the first three months
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Speaker 3: as a polly simply because of the time.
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Speaker 2: She didn't actually came out with a keg.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So you spend so much time at your desk, you're
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Speaker 3: always working, you're always at functions, you're always doing something
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Speaker 3: like that. And so she said, find an exercise that
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Speaker 3: you like. So I started. I played touch footy. So
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Speaker 3: your day would start at five thirty in the morning,
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Speaker 3: invariably you'd leave the German debate might finish at ten
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Speaker 3: o'clock at night. There's nowhere in Australia outside the private
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Speaker 3: sector where people would work for that amount of time
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Speaker 3: and then you would have alcohol readily available from say
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Speaker 3: lunchtime onwards. I remember the whip came in and told us,
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Speaker 3: as young pollies, be careful with alcohol. Alcohol can be
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Speaker 3: a real danger in this place.
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Speaker 4: Just be really.
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Speaker 3: Careful with it, all right. This was our alcohol education.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, drinks are in the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 3: courtyard at.
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Speaker 4: Quarter past six. That was our alcohol education.
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Speaker 3: There was an expectation that you would go to friends
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Speaker 3: of tourism or friends of the cattleman, or friends of
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Speaker 3: manufacturing or friends of whatever, and you would represent the
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Speaker 3: government as part of being a backbench or a minister,
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Speaker 3: and you would go from about four o'clock onwoods most Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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Speaker 3: and there will be alcohol there. So it's a unique place.
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Speaker 3: It's certainly the culture. Obviously it's broken. Like when you
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Speaker 3: see what's coming out now around the treatment of women.
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Speaker 3: This is a bloke's issue, all right. This is while
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Speaker 3: it's women that are the victims of it, it's about
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Speaker 3: men not being involved in this stuff. And it's sad
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Speaker 3: to see that our parliament has got to a point
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Speaker 3: where we need to have a broader discussion around all
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Speaker 3: the things that happened in parliament, and alcohol is one
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Speaker 3: of them. And you talk about work life balance, there
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Speaker 3: is no work life balance for a politician, particularly for
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Speaker 3: the twenty one weeks that you're in Canberra. There is
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Speaker 3: no work life balance to pay.
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Speaker 2: I think, HAILI look, you know, I hear what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: But the circumstance you pointed out has been the case
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Speaker 2: since Adam was a boy. I mean, that's basically that's
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Speaker 2: been the nature of the you know, political life. I
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Speaker 2: think since Federation, you know, people would come in and
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Speaker 2: meet politicians, they'd always be trying to put on functions
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Speaker 2: and the like and that. But what we've got in
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Speaker 2: recent times, I think the twenty four hour news cycle
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Speaker 2: has had a lot to contribute to it. You know,
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Speaker 2: it really irritates me when I see these stories and
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Speaker 2: the like, because fundamentally, it's not about government of Australia.
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Speaker 2: It's not about how we run the economy, how we
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Speaker 2: deliver health services, how we deliver education services, how we're
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Speaker 2: going to repay debt. You know, none of these things
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Speaker 2: are about putting food on the table for our average Australians.
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Speaker 2: They're all about scandal and they don't make wonderful media
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Speaker 2: commentary and all of that sort of stuff. We've had
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Speaker 2: these things happen, you know, for years. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: draw your attention to what happened in the Territory Parliament
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Speaker 2: back in two thousand and two, you know, the sex
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Speaker 2: on the speaker's chair and desk and all of that
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff with a couple of staffers. Now we
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Speaker 2: had a female Chief Minister at the time, Claire Martin,
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Speaker 2: and a female Speaker Rain Brahm. That issue was, you know,
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Speaker 2: whilst it made headlines, was quickly swept under the table.
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Speaker 2: Nobody did anything about it and the like. You know.
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Speaker 2: But these days all of this feeds into the grist
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Speaker 2: and starts to create a story that, oh, well, everybody
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Speaker 2: in the Federal Parliament is some sort of a sex fee,
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Speaker 2: some sort of an alcoholic, can't control themselves, and we've
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Speaker 2: lost focus of what parliament is all about, and that's
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Speaker 2: fundamentally the running of the country. And you know, whilst
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Speaker 2: it makes good headlines and it keeps people talking in
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Speaker 2: the streets, I don't think it does anything at all
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Speaker 2: to enhance our belief in democracy in this country.
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Speaker 1: But they are serious allegations that need to be addressed.
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Speaker 1: And coming back to your point, Haighy, of.
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Speaker 2: Of course they're serious allegation, but they're not allegations to
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Speaker 2: do with the government of this country. They are allegations
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Speaker 2: to do with police. If there's crimes committed, people should
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Speaker 2: be you know, they should be investigated by police and
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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Are they to do with the
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Speaker 2: management of the country. I doubt it. I don't think so.
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Speaker 2: These things have been going on, like I say, since
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Speaker 2: Adam was a boy.
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Speaker 1: But the argument obviously being is that this job that
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Speaker 1: you sign up for, Hailey, and you know you pointed
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Speaker 1: out how incredibly busy it is. You know, you start
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Speaker 1: at five point thirty, you don't finish until ten o'clock
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Speaker 1: at night.
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Speaker 4: There's no apprenticeship.
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Speaker 1: And is that from some of the commentary that I'm
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Speaker 1: reading over the last couple of days, one of the
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Speaker 1: issues is there is a lack of HR departments and
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Speaker 1: training and the like. And does the line become blurred,
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Speaker 1: like you said, between your work life and your functions
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Speaker 1: and the alcohol consumption. Is it all blurred and there's
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Speaker 1: just not I mean, obviously these allegations are criminal allegations
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Speaker 1: and there is a clear line in the sand there.
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Speaker 1: But what goes on at Parliament House is it just
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Speaker 1: not well defined enough? Like where are we going wrong?
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Speaker 2: That's sorry about that.
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Speaker 3: Look, I think it's never just one thing. And I
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Speaker 3: agree with Dave to a point that there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of really good work obviously goes on in Parliament House,
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Speaker 3: and there's awesome members of Parliament, there's awesome staff that
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Speaker 3: do a really good job, and of course the staff
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Speaker 3: of Parliament. You know, there's three there's over three thousand
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Speaker 3: people actually in that building.
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Speaker 2: On a busy day there's six people.
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Speaker 4: So it's a it's not a small operation.
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Speaker 3: But I think that holistically there is obviously there is
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Speaker 3: issues and I've I've heard I've read some commentary around
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Speaker 3: how you know, because because staffers seem to be getting younger,
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Speaker 3: you lose some of that experience, and I know that
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Speaker 3: it's not a friendly it's not family friendly. So for
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Speaker 3: a person, if a couple of a baby and whoever's
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Speaker 3: decided to stay home and do the printal leave, often
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Speaker 3: people that have got kids, or often young women that
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Speaker 3: are looking to start, a family will be pushed to
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Speaker 3: the side, and you find that there's younger and younger staff.
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Speaker 3: And I all that with even with Kevin Rudd's office,
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Speaker 3: we went from having when he first got elected, there
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Speaker 3: was certainly there was a lot of gray haired men
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Speaker 3: and women in the office, and over the period of
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Speaker 3: the three years, suddenly there was younger staff members and
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Speaker 3: people that could give up sixteen hours a day, and
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Speaker 3: people that didn't have to worry about family, and people
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Speaker 3: that didn't have partners.
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Speaker 4: So there was.
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Speaker 3: Actually a demographic that started the change within the time
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Speaker 3: that I was there as well.
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Speaker 1: And do you reckon that's when we've seen the shift as.
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Speaker 3: Well, possibly because I think there's a balance, like I'm
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Speaker 3: not saying you shouldn't have young people, but you need
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Speaker 3: to still have some of the old heads, some of
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Speaker 3: the people that know the traps and know some of
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Speaker 3: the stuff that goes on and some of the stuff
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Speaker 3: to be wary of. And you know, I sort of saw,
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Speaker 3: but you know, because the demand and Dave's right about
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Speaker 3: this twenty four hour news side, it's just pumping constantly.
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Speaker 3: Every office has media advisors and media people and what's
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Speaker 3: the messaging and what do we want the public to hear.
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Speaker 3: The public gets seek and tired of hearing spin that
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Speaker 3: comes out in the media department.
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Speaker 4: And so these.
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Speaker 3: People are younger and younger because they can work longer
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Speaker 3: and longer hours, and they don't have the distraction of family.
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Speaker 3: They don't have kids, and so what we've actually seen
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Speaker 3: is a lot of the experience. A lot of the
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Speaker 3: gray headed men and women that have been around the
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Speaker 3: traps have lived lives, and they're the type of people
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Speaker 3: we want contributing to public policy.
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Speaker 4: But they're being pushed.
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Speaker 3: Out and younger people have come in that can actually
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Speaker 3: work for longer hours.
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Speaker 1: Hello Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at MIXEDBEO
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Speaker 1: four nine dot com. Mattapworth filling in for Caadi Wolf
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Speaker 1: this morning. We're doing the big Issues with Dave Tyner
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Speaker 1: and Damian Hale. Gentlemen, Yesterday we saw the news from
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Speaker 1: the government that they're going to introduce and proposed youth
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Speaker 1: justice changes that.
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Speaker 5: Include automatically look you, ask me, let me tell you.
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Speaker 4: Can you get some control of the show.
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Speaker 1: This is what I was most fearing today, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: when I can do every interview, all right, this is
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Speaker 1: what it includes automatic revocation of bail, expanding the list
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Speaker 1: of prescribed offenses. Others include the expansion of electronic monitoring,
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Speaker 1: toughening the Trafficked Act, and changes to youth diversion. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: the government has allocated five million dollars for upgrades to
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Speaker 1: youth remand centers. The government say they're working on the
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Speaker 1: new measures and they'll be ready for parliament in May,
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Speaker 1: but the opposition say they have proposed similar legislation that
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Speaker 1: they plan onto introducing into parliament today.
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Speaker 2: I believe we.
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Speaker 1: Spoke Katie spoke with Police Minister Nicole Madison yesterday, who
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Speaker 1: wouldn't really rule in or out on supporting the oppositions legislation.
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Speaker 1: But given that they're drafting their own legislation at the moment,
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Speaker 1: I don't think they'll support it. Same again, the opposition
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Speaker 1: leader Lee of Finocchiaro said that they were open to
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Speaker 1: supporting the government's legislation, but Lea said that theirs is
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Speaker 1: ready to go right here, right now, gentlemen, what do
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Speaker 1: we take on this all?
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Speaker 2: Well, now you can go now it's your turn.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think.
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Speaker 3: Now, let's be honest. What we all saw in that
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Speaker 3: springs you can't with that stuff. You can't pretend it's
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Speaker 3: not happening. That's there for people to see, and it
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Speaker 3: was unsavory across many fronts, with all different types of
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Speaker 3: people involved in it. And I think that what's been said.
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Speaker 3: I think the government's heard loud and clear. Now the
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Speaker 3: opposition will are the opposition for a reason.
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Speaker 4: Now they're going.
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Speaker 3: To push hard and they're going to put forward and
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Speaker 3: their views and probably I don't think the government will
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Speaker 3: go to the extreme site as to where the opposition
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Speaker 3: wants them, but certainly the government has recognized that they
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Speaker 3: need to come a little bit more back towards the middle.
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Speaker 3: There is a balance between the carrot and the stick,
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Speaker 3: and I think that unfortunately, I think what we've seen is,
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Speaker 3: you know, there's not enough emphasis on the stick, and
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Speaker 3: I think that some people are saying a lot of
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Speaker 3: people within the community would like to see more done
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Speaker 3: to protect the community.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: I know the government's got a lot of focus on
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Speaker 3: early intervention, supporting families and things that will make a
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Speaker 3: difference down the track, but it's not going to make
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Speaker 3: a difference in the short term. And so the government's
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Speaker 3: listened to the community and they've come back and said
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Speaker 3: all right, well, we need to do something here and
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Speaker 3: now because the here and now is.
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Speaker 4: Where the issue is.
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Speaker 3: Will continue to invest in the programs that we have,
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Speaker 3: programs around diversion and trying to help families and trying
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Speaker 3: to help young people. But people are sick and tired
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Speaker 3: of unlawful behavior, particularly in youth, and the public belief
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Speaker 3: that there's no consequences. And when there's no consequences to
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Speaker 3: your actions, no one's held accountable, it'll only get worse.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, Harley sort of raises some issues,
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Speaker 2: you know that's on everybody's mind, and you've got to
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Speaker 2: give him credit. He does actually reflect what the community
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Speaker 2: is seeing. People are outraged about this, but you know,
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Speaker 2: as I always say, Maddie with Labor, don't listen to
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Speaker 2: what they say. Look at what they do and what
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Speaker 2: they do in the space of crime and law in
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Speaker 2: order is nothing like what they say they're going to do.
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Speaker 2: The reality is, you know, this is the government that
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Speaker 2: acted on the Mick Gooder and that Royal Commission report
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Speaker 2: to let all the kids out of don dhe you know,
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Speaker 2: send them back to their communities. Poor Indigenous kids shouldn't
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Speaker 2: be locked up in don Dale let them out, and
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Speaker 2: they did. And you know, at times I find it
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Speaker 2: incredibly heartless the way these people sort of treat criminals.
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Speaker 2: You know, they have no regard for the community that
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Speaker 2: they're sending them back to. You know, when all those
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Speaker 2: kids came out of Don Dha, where did they go?
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Speaker 2: I tell you where they went. They went back out
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Speaker 2: on the streets. They caused more crime. Now we're trying
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Speaker 2: to find more and more ways of letting more and
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Speaker 2: more people back onto the streets whilst trying to appear
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Speaker 2: tough on crime. You know, it's just not in the
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Speaker 2: labor DNA to be tough on crime, to try and
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Speaker 2: clean up crime. Their heart is with the criminals, not
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Speaker 2: the victims, the criminals, and they're always trying to find
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Speaker 2: reasons to let him out, defund the police, you know,
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Speaker 2: all sorts of things.
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Speaker 3: You know, it comes out, well.
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Speaker 2: What have you done for policing, I mean for policing,
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Speaker 2: got a dysfunctional police force, Police are investigating police. You
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Speaker 2: know all you've done is undermind police, Well hang on,
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Speaker 2: you've had a fellow down there in Central Australia. You know, now,
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Speaker 2: no one knows what the circumstances are with that about that.
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Speaker 2: But the first reaction of that is, oh, hang on,
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Speaker 2: let's let's have him investigated by every jurisdiction under the sun. Now,
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Speaker 2: there was a range of ways to investigate that, but
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Speaker 2: the government weren't weren't interested in that. They wanted to
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Speaker 2: come down hard and show that the police officer was
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Speaker 2: being investigated. That's not supporting your police. They've never supported
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Speaker 2: the police. They've got police at war with themselves. And
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Speaker 2: they seem to think that because they say I built
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Speaker 2: a new police station, that everyone says, oh, good on you,
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Speaker 2: you're tough on crime. Well you're not. You're week on crime.
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Speaker 2: You've always been weak on.
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Speaker 3: Dave doesn't take long to go after labor on this,
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Speaker 3: I think. But what I don't delve into, and what
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Speaker 3: I don't drag up out of the past, is the
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Speaker 3: fancy of the COLP between twenty twelve and twenty and sixteen. Now,
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Speaker 3: I'm happy to bring in the figures around what was
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Speaker 3: taken out of diversionary programs in all of springs. Look
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Speaker 3: where the where the federal money was taken out by
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Speaker 3: the federal government out of remote communities in the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 3: Over five hundred million dollars a year, and I'm happy
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Speaker 3: to go and get dragged those things up, but I won't.
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Speaker 4: I won't take it because.
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Speaker 2: Actually had people have We got.
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Speaker 4: Shut down and took.
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Speaker 2: A lot of money out of down on crime.
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Speaker 3: You took a lot of money out of diversionary programs
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Speaker 3: in Alla Springs, and now we're seeing the result of
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Speaker 3: your work.
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Speaker 4: But i't bring it up.
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Speaker 2: But this is labor play. It's about spending money. It's
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Speaker 2: not actually about about cutting crime. They seem to think
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Speaker 2: that spending money is all you need to do, and
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Speaker 2: they do that willy nilly with other people's money all
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Speaker 2: the time. That's why we've got say, nice, goddamn debt,
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Speaker 2: it's coming out of our ears. But have we've seen
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Speaker 2: an improvement in a reduction in crime. No, In actual fact,
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Speaker 2: we've got chaos despite coming fact that they're spending record
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Speaker 2: amounts of money.
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Speaker 1: Coming back to the issue of what's been presented today though,
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Speaker 1: is the opposition is going to present their their solution
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Speaker 1: in parliament. The government came out yesterday and said we're
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Speaker 1: working on it. We'll see one in May. Obviously, you guys.
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Speaker 2: See compliment, but let's wait and see what happens with
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Speaker 2: labor because I can tell you, while they might talk tough,
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Speaker 2: what they come out with is guaranteed to be wishy washy.
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Speaker 2: Their heart's not in it.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's good to see that Lea and Michael Gunner
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Speaker 3: are working on an issue that concerns the whole community.
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Speaker 3: There's been crime across the territory before now, and it's
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Speaker 3: good to see that working together. I'm glad that Dave's
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Speaker 3: no longer in the Parliament because you wouldn't.
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Speaker 4: Be up take a by party. He has not got
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Speaker 4: a bipartisan bone in his body.
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Speaker 2: You've recognized everything, but you've recognized the fact that there
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Speaker 2: is crime on the streets.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: It's hit you in the in the head, treasure. No,
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Speaker 2: but well, it's come from your current affair. You mentioned
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Speaker 2: that yourself the other day. It's come from a current affair.
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Speaker 2: It's quite confronting, exactly now. We're only now only the
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Speaker 2: labor guys are starting to realize that we've been saying
18:28
Speaker 2: the same thing over and over and over again. We've
18:30
Speaker 2: got to have a better system of dealing with criminals
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Speaker 2: in this jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to step in here before the
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Speaker 1: boxing gloves come out.
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Speaker 2: Listen, Son, you don't appreciate a good debate.
18:44
Speaker 1: Just a bit hot and a bit scared right now?
18:48
Speaker 2: Who will drink that you worry Maddie.
18:52
Speaker 1: Just finally, gentlemen, we've got about two and a half
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Speaker 1: minutes left. I want to touch on the COVID nineteen
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Speaker 1: vaccine rollout and I feel this, this could blow up again,
18:59
Speaker 1: but I'll I'll give you endemic.
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Speaker 3: I'm the only one in the here that actually believes
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Speaker 3: that we needed I know, I know you do. So
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Speaker 3: it will be interesting to see what Dave thinks of
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Speaker 3: the rollout of the vaccine We don't need.
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Speaker 1: A leaked email has revealed the government admitted to significant
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Speaker 1: issues of the vaccine rollout, despite previously insisting it was
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Speaker 1: still on track. This is a report from the ABC
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Speaker 1: this morning. The second stage of the roll out, Phase
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Speaker 1: one B started this week with six million more Australians
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Speaker 1: now able to get the JAB, but the phase has
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Speaker 1: been plagued with complaints from GPS about an undersupply of vaccines,
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Speaker 1: being unable to keep up with the demand, and not
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Speaker 1: enough direction on when and how people should book an appointment. Gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: do you think the Australian Republic are losing confidence this rollouts.
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Speaker 2: By the sound of these never all vaccines to go around.
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Speaker 2: There are certainly people out there who are at risk.
19:50
Speaker 2: And I note that the very first people to get
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Speaker 2: vaccinated were the Chief Minister and the Chief Health Officer,
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Speaker 2: two blakes who are leased at risk of ever catching coronavirus.
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Speaker 2: So there you go, Maddie. I mean, well that's happened
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Speaker 2: all over the world.
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Speaker 3: Right, that's the minister from Sweden.
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Speaker 2: He's getting my talking just quickly.
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Speaker 1: Do you think are the public losing faith in the
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Speaker 1: vaccine rollout?
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Speaker 4: Look?
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Speaker 3: You know, I think that with all these types of things,
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Speaker 3: you'd love to see them run smoothly, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 4: But you know, we're a vast country.
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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of people that a lot of
20:32
Speaker 3: competing interests around states and territories.
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Speaker 4: I take Dave's point.
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Speaker 3: But like you know, Prime ministers and Chief ministers leaders
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Speaker 3: around the world, it's about confidence, that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: There's a tiny, tiny fracture of the population that are
20:51
Speaker 2: at risk of death from this. They should be the
20:54
Speaker 2: first people to get vaccinated and it's a disgrace. I
20:57
Speaker 2: think that you know, these political leaders think it's good
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Speaker 2: politics to be seen to be in front of the queue.
21:04
Speaker 2: I think it's just disgraceful. We'll get out in age
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Speaker 2: care homes and that's what it's about. Sitting the support vaccines.
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Speaker 2: I've got no.
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Speaker 3: Sing that you shouldn't have them, So this is about
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Speaker 3: leaders showing leadership.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm not on the side of anti vaxers.
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Speaker 2: I think if you know there's a lot of research
21:24
Speaker 2: that's taken place with these drugs and that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sing it both ad minute before you'll get it.
21:29
Speaker 2: I'm not few enough to get vaccinated, but if they
21:31
Speaker 2: tell me that I've got to be vaccinated before I
21:33
Speaker 2: get on a plane, I'm going to be trying to
21:35
Speaker 2: get my way to the front of that line.
21:37
Speaker 3: Well, just on vaccinations in the UK, for instance, seventeen deaths
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Speaker 3: the lowest since I think August or something. Seventeen gets
21:44
Speaker 3: in twenty four hours, and they put it down to
21:46
Speaker 3: simply because more people are getting vaccinated. Let's just get
21:50
Speaker 3: it out there the most vulnerable, as Dave says, after
21:53
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister and Chief ministers obviously, and then we'll
21:58
Speaker 3: see where are we on the list.
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Speaker 2: I'd probably be the top getting the we won, and
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Speaker 2: I probably want to there's grace for lifestyles we lead Haley.
22:08
Speaker 3: Well, it could actually it could actually be a really
22:11
Speaker 3: dodgy batch. Let's test it on Hale and and see
22:15
Speaker 3: what happens with that.
22:16
Speaker 2: Again, they go, well, they must have your immune systems
22:19
Speaker 2: a crocodile through what.
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Speaker 3: Well I haven't had Tash files ring me the health
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Speaker 3: minister and urgently asked me to get vaccinated. So I'm
22:29
Speaker 3: sort of thinking maybe around twenty twenty four I'll get
22:32
Speaker 3: the call you should be safe.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I couldn't give a stuff about getting vaccinated. Really,
22:37
Speaker 2: I'm not that bad. Well, I do support people getting
22:41
Speaker 2: vaccinated days at risk, but you know if if the
22:44
Speaker 2: minute they say that you can't get on a plane
22:46
Speaker 2: unless you've vaccinated, well I'll be.
22:51
Speaker 4: So it'll be quantison je.
22:52
Speaker 2: I'll absolutely be lining up to get a vaccination because
22:56
Speaker 2: I like to get around a bit if I can.
22:58
Speaker 4: And I'll be getting vaccinate when it's my go.
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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, we'll have to leave it there. This has been
23:04
Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: You've got a tough enough man. I mean, if you
23:08
Speaker 2: get flustered by.
23:10
Speaker 4: We're having to hold down the turn.
23:13
Speaker 2: You were never going to seceed either way. You're going, mate, You've.
23:16
Speaker 1: Got you've got no plans to.
23:18
Speaker 2: Put on a bit of lipstick or something and get
23:21
Speaker 2: a better sense of him.
23:22
Speaker 3: Totally saves himself all week for this this. We've heard
23:29
Speaker 3: his alarm go off at eleven. That's when he gets
23:31
Speaker 3: out of bed mode. Days he bounces out of it.
23:33
Speaker 1: We've got to get to the news.
23:34
Speaker 2: You and I'll have to have a drink. I'll give
23:36
Speaker 2: you some tips. And when do we get a chriscious.
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Speaker 1: Week?
23:40
Speaker 2: When do we get Christmas?
23:42
Speaker 1: Drenks figure it out, saying we've got to go.
23:45
Speaker 2: Come one able to wind us up better than that.
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Speaker 4: Years for Christmas.
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Speaker 2: Dream on, mate, We'll go to get criminals news. Come on,
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Speaker 2: there is