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ESP Trials in Education | Walter Bosley · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: been employed by the FBI. He is an inactive reserve
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Speaker 1: officer as well as an Air Force Special Agent and
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Speaker 1: Following military service, he is an author, researcher, writer and investigator.
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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime and to be Walter Bosley, Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the show. How's it going, hey, writer, Good to be back.
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Speaker 2: I always enjoy being here and talking about these things
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Speaker 2: that we like to get into.
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Speaker 1: Ooh. And speaking of things, we've had a couple of
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Speaker 1: conversations kind of planning out what we're going to talk
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Speaker 1: about here today, and first off, things are coming on.
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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. And as you know, I'm writing my
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Speaker 1: next documentary. It's going to be on the DA Army
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Speaker 1: Intelligence Stargate program. And how I kind of stumbled upon
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Speaker 1: the topic of what we're going to be discussing here
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Speaker 1: today is I was going back and reading through all
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Speaker 1: the documents, you know, to make sure that everything, you know,
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Speaker 1: that my memory was accurate and that I could write
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Speaker 1: everything down to get this script all ironed out right,
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Speaker 1: and I stumbled across this paragraph within the Sunstreak document,
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Speaker 1: which Sunstreak was the former name of the Stargate program.
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Speaker 1: It had many different names. They relabeled it and renamed
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Speaker 1: it several times. And this document says from the sun
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Speaker 1: Streak that only one scientific claim of detection of remote
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Speaker 1: viewing is known, which is Chinese scientists claim to have
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Speaker 1: detected remote viewing during their experiments with children. Okay, and
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Speaker 1: then this line underneath it, which looks like that it
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Speaker 1: was tried to be redacted here. It looks like someone
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Speaker 1: tried to like mark this out here. I had Trey
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Speaker 1: Hudson on and we kind of talked about this as
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Speaker 1: well before and he this was his like work, like
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Speaker 1: this is what he did for the DODS. He redacts,
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Speaker 1: did a bunch of documents and approve them for release
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Speaker 1: whenever they've been be classified. He was in the classifications department,
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Speaker 1: right And under here says work to replicate these experiments, however,
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Speaker 1: is ongoing at SRI. And I thought that that was
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Speaker 1: a very interesting statement. Okay, what does that exactly mean?
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Speaker 1: Does that mean that SRI is trying to duplicate the
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Speaker 1: experiments that the Chinese were doing on children. That's what
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Speaker 1: it seems like whenever you read the document here is
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Speaker 1: that they're making it seem like that SRI is trying
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Speaker 1: to duplicate the experiments that the Chinese are doing on
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Speaker 1: children to assess they have psychic abilities. So then I
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Speaker 1: was like, okay, I need to look into this a
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Speaker 1: little bit further. So then I started doing more research
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Speaker 1: on it, and I stumbled across a bunch of TikTok videos, which,
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Speaker 1: you know, whatever about TikTok, it doesn't really matter. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of solid information on there. So I'm scrolling
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Speaker 1: through TikTok and I'm looking about looking at these people
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Speaker 1: that are talking about the gate programs within public school okay,
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, this is really interesting. Hey. Then
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Speaker 1: that's when I called you up. I had no idea
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Speaker 1: really about any of this, but I wanted to like
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Speaker 1: verify it because it's very difficult to actually verify if
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Speaker 1: there were psychic experiments going on with children within school
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Speaker 1: because I haven't found any documentation on it. And I
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Speaker 1: was like, well, Walter, Walter will probably know about this.
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Speaker 1: You know, you worked for the FBI as an Air
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Speaker 1: Force from our special investigator for the Air Force. He
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Speaker 1: probably knows and lo and behold, you knew a lot
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Speaker 1: about these programs that are going on in public schools
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Speaker 1: and you were involved, So let's start there.
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Speaker 2: Well, there were a lot of kids involved in this
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Speaker 2: in multiple states. What I know about my experience with
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Speaker 2: it was it started in first grade. As far as
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Speaker 2: I know, it might have started in kindergarten. But I
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Speaker 2: remember in first grade being pulled out of class by
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Speaker 2: a guy in a suit, which seems to be a
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Speaker 2: com thing, but then you know, back then people wore
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Speaker 2: suits more. I guess this is in the late sixties.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I would be told to read just
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Speaker 2: a list of words, and I would read them, and
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Speaker 2: he'd smile and nod and say, okay, thank you, Walter,
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Speaker 2: and send me back in. I guess i'd pronounce them properly,
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Speaker 2: enunciated correctly. And I do recall earphone tests. I don't
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Speaker 2: recall some people recall what was said. If I heard it,
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Speaker 2: it might heard, you know, the recording again and I
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Speaker 2: jogging my memory, but I do remember the headphone tests
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Speaker 2: in first grade. I remember this going on, being pulled
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Speaker 2: out of class and being told to read a list
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Speaker 2: of words and state them, you know, more than once.
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Speaker 2: This went on more than once, and on my first
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Speaker 2: day of second grade. I then was informed my second
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Speaker 2: day of second grade, because the first day pulled out
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Speaker 2: of the room again, and on the second day when
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Speaker 2: I showed up for school, I was informed and my
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Speaker 2: mom was informed that I was being moved up into
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Speaker 2: the second third grade combination class, kind of an advanced course,
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Speaker 2: and these kinds of things were pulled out of the
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Speaker 2: class by the guy in the suit read this, thank
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Speaker 2: you very much. Went on through second grade and through
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Speaker 2: third grade, and then in fourth grade. What was interesting
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Speaker 2: was in third grade, I think it was I won
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Speaker 2: the school spelling bee. I'd beat everyone in my own
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Speaker 2: grade and the fourth, fifth, and sixth graders, so that
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Speaker 2: that's kind of an interesting note there. But in fourth grade,
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Speaker 2: my pediatrician prescribed this yellow fluid. It was as thick
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Speaker 2: as pepto bismol, and I was told, you know, my
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Speaker 2: parents told me, was that I had some type of
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Speaker 2: asthmatic condition. Okay, and for one year, one year only,
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Speaker 2: I had to take a little cup of this daily,
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Speaker 2: and I just accepted that it was for some asthmatic
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Speaker 2: condition in childhood. But then when I started hearing of
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Speaker 2: people in this program, which I'll describe more what I
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Speaker 2: know about the program, they had to drink a weird
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Speaker 2: thick liquid as well, and so it was talking with
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Speaker 2: you that I thought, well, I'll be darn. I wonder
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Speaker 2: if the asthmatic condition was just the excuse, you know,
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Speaker 2: with they working with doctors. I don't know, it could
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Speaker 2: have been very easy for them to work with doctors.
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Speaker 2: But what I and my sisters were in was what
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Speaker 2: California in the late sixties early seventies called MGM mentally
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Speaker 2: Gifted Minds, and other states called this different things, and
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Speaker 2: it was just a way My understanding, what I know
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Speaker 2: about it from my parents and from the perspective of
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Speaker 2: the school is that it was just a way for
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Speaker 2: them to gauge, I guess aptitudes and maybe IQ or
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Speaker 2: or you know again primarily you know, what's your aptitude
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Speaker 2: for this, for that, what you're learning, you know, level
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. And in first grade, the you know,
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Speaker 2: they use these phonics systems right in the US to
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Speaker 2: teach reading or advance your reading level, to teach you,
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Speaker 2: you know, to advance your language skills. And the one
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Speaker 2: I was in was this program called ITA. It was
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Speaker 2: this weird alpha bet that you know, helped you help
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Speaker 2: the students understand the sounds of letters, you know, short vowel,
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Speaker 2: long vowel, that kind of thing. But it was a
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Speaker 2: weird alphabet, you know. And I was only exposed to
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Speaker 2: this in first grade. You know, the whole class was.
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Speaker 2: And while I was, you know, in first grade and
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Speaker 2: under I and then second grade in the combined Advance course,
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Speaker 2: and then I went on to a third grade class,
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Speaker 2: I was still being pulled out of the room and
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Speaker 2: asked to read read these words. Now, after fourth grade
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Speaker 2: it stopped because we moved back, well, we moved to
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Speaker 2: West Virginia. When I say back to West Virginia, I've
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Speaker 2: talked about it before, just a few months after I
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Speaker 2: was born, because my dad's from there. We moved to
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Speaker 2: West Virginia, and I spent I think the first two
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Speaker 2: or three years of my life better part of three
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Speaker 2: years in West Virginia, Mothman Country, to the exact mineral wells,
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Speaker 2: while all them Offman stuff was going on. Interestingly enough,
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Speaker 2: Then we returned to California, and it was after the
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Speaker 2: return to California that I was exposed to this program
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Speaker 2: we're talking about describing. And then after I finished fourth grade,
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Speaker 2: my dad got a hanker in to move back to
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Speaker 2: his hometown again, and so we moved to West Virginia
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Speaker 2: for two years and I didn't have any of these
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Speaker 2: sessions with you know, being pulled out of class, wasn't
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Speaker 2: taking the liquid anymore, and never again did that happen.
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Speaker 2: But in my case, while I was in high school,
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Speaker 2: my uncle who was my mentor, started showing up more,
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Speaker 2: and then his mentorship of me began as I was
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Speaker 2: finishing college, and most people who know my story know
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Speaker 2: that that's about when my career was getting kicked off.
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Speaker 2: And in that early mentorship, my uncle, who had retired
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Speaker 2: with forty four years in the US intelligence community himself,
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Speaker 2: when he finally retired in the early years of his mentorship,
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Speaker 2: he told me, he says, you've been watched and assessed
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Speaker 2: since you were a child. Says you and your sisters.
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Speaker 2: He says, I'm developing you because your sisters just aren't.
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Speaker 2: Some of this stuff scares them, it doesn't scare you,
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Speaker 2: and they're just not interested in it. He goes, You're
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Speaker 2: the one I'm developing because you're the one that is
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Speaker 2: the more curious one. But it was that comment that
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Speaker 2: I had been assessed and observed and watched since childhood
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Speaker 2: that then I, you know, kind of started doing the math, realizing, well,
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Speaker 2: was he referring to the MGM program, you know. And
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Speaker 2: then when this all came out and we learned that
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Speaker 2: this was part of is it gate or gateway.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's where the confusion comes in because there's the
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Speaker 1: gate programs, there's the Monroe Institute Gateway programs, and then
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Speaker 1: you have the Stargate program and all these things are
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Speaker 1: very similar and has created a lot of confusion within people. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Heuster here says also a school of parapsychology and with
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Speaker 1: association with Duke University. That is correct. The government was
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Speaker 1: funding studies to the Parapsychology Foundation in the sixties along
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Speaker 1: with Duke University. But that's the where the confusion really
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Speaker 1: starts because if they are gate programs, that is what
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Speaker 1: it's been commonly referred to in schools as like the
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Speaker 1: gate programs. Which is very interesting because me and Trey
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Speaker 1: we were watching a video which I'm going to play
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Speaker 1: some of the clips from the video here later on
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Speaker 1: in our discussion here to the maybe try and trigger
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Speaker 1: some memory from you, the same video that me and
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Speaker 1: Trey watched before. But there's a that's been in there
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Speaker 1: that are that's triggering people. Okay, that's like triggering their memories,
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Speaker 1: and it's this voice that supposedly these kids are putting
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Speaker 1: on these headphones that are going through a hearing test.
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Speaker 1: Then a voice comes over the headphones and says, you
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Speaker 1: should be hearing this in your right ear. If you're
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Speaker 1: not hearing this in your right ear, turn your headphones around, okay,
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Speaker 1: which then brings into the dyslexic things that you were
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Speaker 1: just kind of you know, talking about. Right. But during
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Speaker 1: my conversation with Trey, he says that he knows exactly
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Speaker 1: where this clip of audio, this triggering people is coming from,
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Speaker 1: and he's right. He said that the audio is from
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Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute Gateway programs. And then I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: how are people remembering hearing the Monroe Institute Gateway HEMI
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Speaker 1: sync tapes in grade school or in school in public
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Speaker 1: school period, Okay. And then I'm like, all right, Well,
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Speaker 1: if we take the document that I just showed I
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Speaker 1: face value and SRI is trying to duplicate some of
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Speaker 1: the experiments that the Chinese were doing on children, it
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Speaker 1: would make sense that SRI would have a contract with
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Speaker 1: like the government, and then they would also have a
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Speaker 1: contract with the Monroe Institute as well, because we know
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Speaker 1: it's verified in the documents that Army Intelligence paid the
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Speaker 1: Monroe Institute money to send their Army Intelligence people to
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Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute to study to see if it will
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Speaker 1: help them with their psychic spy stuff. And several of
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Speaker 1: the people that has been a part of the that
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Speaker 1: I've interviewed, like Lim Buchanan. You've had limb Buchanon on
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Speaker 1: as well, doctor David Morehouse, he was on a roundtable
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Speaker 1: with me, you and Trey and doctor Paul Smith and
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Speaker 1: several other people. I've talked about how the Gateway tapes
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Speaker 1: were also at Fort Meade, Maryland where they were doing
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Speaker 1: their remote viewing and targeting the foreign assets right to
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Speaker 1: get data information. So, like what has happened here is
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Speaker 1: that SRI has done some sort of contract with the
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Speaker 1: government to put these kinds of programs in schools to
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Speaker 1: try and assess children. Because it would be illegal for
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Speaker 1: the government to run experiments on children, heavily illegal, especially
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Speaker 1: if they were caught, then it would be like they
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Speaker 1: would be completely done. So the easiest way would be,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, to wrap the experiments up into the
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Speaker 1: public school system, right, making an educational thing and put
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Speaker 1: it into the school system and then tell the parents
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Speaker 1: that they're they're being put into like this gifted program,
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Speaker 1: which they probably were. They probably were smarter than a
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Speaker 1: lot of people, because I've talked to a few people
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Speaker 1: about this, and it was almost exactly like what you
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Speaker 1: mentioned with like the reading level. I know someone personally
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Speaker 1: that it's not an influencer. They don't. They're not like
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Speaker 1: a person who does podcasts or whatever. And someone that
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Speaker 1: I know that's close to me said that they were
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Speaker 1: in the gifted program and it was because of their reading.
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Speaker 1: It was because of their reading level. They were very
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Speaker 1: young and they had like a college grade reading level.
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Speaker 2: Yep. They were the sisters.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it seems like that's what's going on, is
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Speaker 1: that there was some kind of contract between SRI, the
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Speaker 1: Monroe Institute, and the government and it was kind of
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Speaker 1: put under this banner and then it was put into
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Speaker 1: the public school system as like a cover. Because they
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Speaker 1: couldn't do it just directly, you know, send your kids
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Speaker 1: in to get tested for psychic abilities or be part
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Speaker 1: of this gifted program, right, they had to use like
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Speaker 1: they had to cover it in some kind of way,
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Speaker 1: and the easiest way to do it was wrap it
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Speaker 1: into the public school system.
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Speaker 2: I would like to know of those of us who
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Speaker 2: went through this, how many of us were the kids
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Speaker 2: of US military veterans. And I'll bet you'd find several
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Speaker 2: of us. Like you know, I've written a book about
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Speaker 2: my dad's weird stuff that went on with him during
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Speaker 2: his Air Force career, and I'm wondering if that was
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Speaker 2: their avenue, their loophole to do this with the kids.
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Speaker 2: Remember during the Cold War, you know, it was all
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Speaker 2: about everything for national security. And you know, I'll bet
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Speaker 2: if you looked in if I looked in the contract
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Speaker 2: my dad signed. Because when you go in the military,
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Speaker 2: you're signing a contract. You sign the away you give
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Speaker 2: Uncle Sam the right to jab you with test medicines
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Speaker 2: and pharmaceuticals because you are a military member. You actually
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Speaker 2: your constitutional rights are reduced when you go into the
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Speaker 2: military active duty, and one of those things is you
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Speaker 2: sign away to be a guinea pig on you know, pharmaceuticals.
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Speaker 2: So you know what else, what other loopholes might they
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Speaker 2: have had. Well, you know Walter and his sisters, they're
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Speaker 2: the children of you know, Staff Sergeant Bosley who had
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Speaker 2: this high clearance and worked in the early space program. Stuff,
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Speaker 2: and you know, we got to keep an eye on them,
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Speaker 2: you know, because one of them might have the aptitude to,
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Speaker 2: you know, get in the fight, which I ended up
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Speaker 2: doing for twenty years. But you know, you never know
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Speaker 2: what kind of loophole as a kid of you know,
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Speaker 2: a service member. I'm researching. I'm digging into that at
19:47
Speaker 2: kind of an angle on that in a rather famous
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Speaker 2: case that I'm not going to talk about yet, but
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm curious to know how many how many
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Speaker 2: of the kids in the program had parents that had
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Speaker 2: been in the military before them, it'd be interesting.
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Speaker 1: I would say parents that were in the military. I
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Speaker 1: would also say that the school was besides some sort
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Speaker 1: of research institute, I would say that if they didn't
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Speaker 1: get into drugs and become an alcoholic in their life,
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Speaker 1: because that was another thing that one of the people
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Speaker 1: told me as well, is that they kind of got
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Speaker 1: bullied for being in this gifted program because they were
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Speaker 1: the only ones, so it kind of wrecked their socialization
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Speaker 1: and then they got into other things. So I think
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Speaker 1: that if they didn't the information didn't completely implode upon them,
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Speaker 1: and they didn't become drug addicts or alcoholics or whatever,
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Speaker 1: then they probably got involved into the military through that organization.
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Speaker 1: So that's one of the things that Tray was putting
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Speaker 1: together as we were doing the show. He was like,
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Speaker 1: does this have something to do with my career path?
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Speaker 1: And like, what directions winning?
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Speaker 2: I think it did with mine. You know, we'll have
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Speaker 2: to talk sometime, you know, you're talking about Fort Meade
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Speaker 2: and the Stargate program. We'll have to have a conversation sometimes.
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Speaker 2: But I learned years later that the language training program
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Speaker 2: I was in for eleven months that should have been
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Speaker 2: in Monterey, That's where the FBI always sends her people.
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Speaker 2: We were sent to Fort Meade instead, and we were
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Speaker 2: within visual of the Project Stargate building where they were
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Speaker 2: doing that. And I found out years later from more
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Speaker 2: than one source that we were training targets for remote
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Speaker 2: viewers at Fort me We were there just studying Russian,
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Speaker 2: but there were some things that happened and in some things,
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Speaker 2: and you know, one of my sources of confirmation and
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Speaker 2: verification on that was Limb and himself. So we'll have
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Speaker 2: to talk about that. You might find that to be
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Speaker 2: really interesting. But yeah, I think Trey is onto something
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Speaker 2: with you know, look at his career path. Look at
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Speaker 2: my career path. You know, again, just like I asked
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Speaker 2: the question how many of us were the kids of veterans,
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Speaker 2: how many of us went into military and particularly military
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Speaker 2: or civilian you know, intelligence, the intelligence community.
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Speaker 1: Well, then you also talk about this substance that people are,
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Speaker 1: you know, being asked to take or being made to
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Speaker 1: take that there's been different explanations for what the substances
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Speaker 1: are depending on what school you went to and what
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Speaker 1: part of the country you were in and where your
22:46
Speaker 1: school was. So like with you, it was for your asthma,
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Speaker 1: that's what I was told.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's a little bit lighter of a
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Speaker 2: yellow than inside my cup here, and I was that's
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Speaker 2: all I know, you know, that's what I was told.
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Speaker 2: It was for anismatic condition, but it was as thick
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Speaker 2: as pepto bismol and it had kind of a weird aftertaste.
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Speaker 1: He was told that it was a vaccination. Other people
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Speaker 1: were told that it was vitamins.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean.
23:16
Speaker 1: So they're using different excuses depending on where you are
23:21
Speaker 1: for the substances. And with the video that we're going
23:26
Speaker 1: to watch that's on this other people remember it being
23:31
Speaker 1: like a thick drink, like a pink drink like it's
23:37
Speaker 1: but yeah, there might be something that's like trying to
23:41
Speaker 1: get people off of the trail, and it might have
23:42
Speaker 1: been like yellow like what you're saying.
23:46
Speaker 2: You mentioned real quick. The audio we're going to listen
23:48
Speaker 2: to about the Monroe Institute recording. If you hear it,
23:51
Speaker 2: you should be hearing this in your you know, whatever
23:54
Speaker 2: you I do. That part seems familiar to me, you know,
23:57
Speaker 2: as far as what ear I'm hearing it in that
24:01
Speaker 2: part seems familiar to me. But the last sentence in
24:04
Speaker 2: there doesn't seem familiar to me.
24:07
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, it doesn't have the full Monro Institute
24:11
Speaker 1: clip in there. That's just what's played afterwards. What's triggering
24:15
Speaker 1: everyone is like you're hearing this voice in your right ear,
24:18
Speaker 1: and that's all that's in the video. But oh, okay,
24:20
Speaker 1: it goes on if you were to listen, because I
24:23
Speaker 1: went back and I listened to the full Monroe Institute
24:27
Speaker 1: tape to see what was said before it and what
24:30
Speaker 1: was said after it. And that's what was said after
24:34
Speaker 1: it is that if if if you're not hearing this
24:38
Speaker 1: in your right ear, then turn your headphones around. But
24:41
Speaker 1: let's listen to this video because it's I think that
24:45
Speaker 1: this may trigger some more thoughts and ideas about what
24:49
Speaker 1: exactly happened. And we're going to put the fair use
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24:56
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25:05
Speaker 1: and research. And this is covered under fair use because
25:10
Speaker 1: we were going to be commenting and educating the public
25:13
Speaker 1: on these school gate programs. And the clip is from
25:18
Speaker 1: the Sane Dawson YouTube channel, So here we go.
25:23
Speaker 3: That brings me to the theory that you were talking
25:26
Speaker 3: to me about, and I was like, oh my god,
25:27
Speaker 3: save it for the podcast. We got a bunch of
25:29
Speaker 3: emails about this.
25:30
Speaker 4: We're talking about the program. Yeah, are you familiar with
25:33
Speaker 4: the program in schools?
25:35
Speaker 3: Yes, it was thed I remember, like the weird tech.
25:39
Speaker 1: They're beeping out the Gate program just because they don't
25:43
Speaker 1: want to be I guess they think that it might
25:47
Speaker 1: be some kind of legal issue or something. I don't
25:49
Speaker 1: know what they're but I think that they're saying gate
25:53
Speaker 1: Way program again, which is another really confusing aspect to its.
25:57
Speaker 4: That have different names, but all of it was under
25:59
Speaker 4: the guy of the government is providing extra time to
26:03
Speaker 4: students that they think are more.
26:05
Speaker 1: Equipped to exist exactly.
26:07
Speaker 3: Well, there was the weird I remember, like the weird tests.
26:11
Speaker 4: Yes, so this they used to test us in the nineties,
26:14
Speaker 4: at least I remember being tested. They would do a
26:16
Speaker 4: bunch of weird tests. Sometimes they would even say that
26:18
Speaker 4: they were doing a hearing test or an eye test.
26:21
Speaker 4: And because I don't want to be sued, I'm scared now.
26:24
Speaker 1: Just a theory, just a.
26:25
Speaker 4: Theory that when you put on those and by the way,
26:29
Speaker 4: like I don't know, can you still see? Like the
26:30
Speaker 4: hearing tests, they'd take you to a portable that they like, Yeah,
26:33
Speaker 4: it's like a trailer. Yeah, you go into the portable,
26:36
Speaker 4: you sit down at a place there's cards up so
26:39
Speaker 4: you can't see the person sitting next to you. There's
26:41
Speaker 4: like no windows around. They say, sit into this little
26:44
Speaker 4: tiny cubicle that we've made, and there's like a box
26:47
Speaker 4: it almost looks like a nineteen eighties like plastic briefcase,
26:52
Speaker 4: like a box, and they put it down and you
26:54
Speaker 4: put on these like old ass like headphones, and then
26:58
Speaker 4: a voice comes on and it's like a man's voice
27:00
Speaker 4: from the fifties, and it says something like do you
27:03
Speaker 4: remember a box?
27:06
Speaker 1: Oh?
27:06
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything but that the the headphones test happening.
27:14
Speaker 2: It's and I can remember my first grade class pretty vividly,
27:19
Speaker 2: but I don't I remember going through that. I remember hearing,
27:24
Speaker 2: you know, stuff, but I don't remember the details about
27:28
Speaker 2: exactly where I was sitting. So, for what that's worth, was.
27:33
Speaker 1: It removed from the school though, or did this happen
27:37
Speaker 1: inside of the school, was like a different building adjacent
27:39
Speaker 1: to the school.
27:40
Speaker 2: My best recollection would be it happened in the school,
27:43
Speaker 2: but it might have been in another classroom, in another room,
27:46
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. When I was pulled outside of
27:47
Speaker 2: the class to read the list, that was literally right outside.
27:51
Speaker 2: They would have a desk set up, you know, in
27:54
Speaker 2: a chair for the guy in the suit, and he
27:56
Speaker 2: would have his pre printed papers and he would put
27:59
Speaker 2: them in front of me and he'd point to a
28:01
Speaker 2: particular There were multiple lists of words, and he would
28:03
Speaker 2: point to the list and he'd just tell me read
28:05
Speaker 2: those words, and I would rattle through them and yeah,
28:14
Speaker 2: all right, let's.
28:15
Speaker 1: Continue, all right. The voice you're about to hear is
28:18
Speaker 1: just in your right ear.
28:19
Speaker 4: Get ready for a hearing test made just for you.
28:21
Speaker 2: You should be hearing my voice in your right ear.
28:26
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's the two second clip.
28:29
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
28:30
Speaker 1: That's triggering all these people online. You should be hearing
28:35
Speaker 1: my voice and you're right ear. Hmm.
28:38
Speaker 2: That's interesting as long as he's not saying mine is
28:41
Speaker 2: the last voice that you will ever hear? You know
28:45
Speaker 2: that that would freak me out. Yeah. I remember doing
28:48
Speaker 2: these tests with the headphones, but I don't remember that
28:53
Speaker 2: specific voice. But you know this is these were kids
28:56
Speaker 2: in the nineties, and that recording might have been after
28:58
Speaker 2: my time, you know, because my last experience with what
29:03
Speaker 2: we're talking about, the overtly being pulled out of the
29:06
Speaker 2: class was I finished fourth grade in this, you know,
29:12
Speaker 2: going into the summer of nineteen seventy three, So I
29:16
Speaker 2: started between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen seventy three was
29:20
Speaker 2: when I was involved in this. So it's been a while.
29:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yours was way earlier. Yeah, what people are
29:31
Speaker 1: being triggered. It was like people from like the nineties,
29:34
Speaker 1: But I didn't get it because I didn't go to
29:36
Speaker 1: public school. I went to Christian school, so the but
29:41
Speaker 1: there is something weird that did happen to me, like
29:44
Speaker 1: with the vision test and stuff that after we're done with.
29:48
Speaker 4: The video, they're saying, this is not a hearing test.
29:52
Speaker 4: That is actually the beginning of a hypnosis what very
29:57
Speaker 4: famously used by a lot of people. So I'm going
29:59
Speaker 4: to butcher all of this a little bit. But when
30:01
Speaker 4: it came to world the Cold War, that's like around
30:05
Speaker 4: that same time this organization started which was I think
30:09
Speaker 4: was called the National Defense Education Act was created, which.
30:14
Speaker 1: I need to look more into that act. When it
30:17
Speaker 1: is was this, well.
30:22
Speaker 2: You know her comment about some people think it was
30:26
Speaker 2: a hypnosis thing. What the light that went on in
30:30
Speaker 2: my head was, well, is it something like that? Why?
30:34
Speaker 2: I can't remember the details of the hearing test. I
30:39
Speaker 2: mean I can I see thee I remember this this guy,
30:44
Speaker 2: I remember his name, you know, mister Cottrell. And this
30:48
Speaker 2: was one of the one I remember most that would
30:51
Speaker 2: pull me out of class. I went to Merles Casey
30:54
Speaker 2: Elementary School in Roalito, California when this was going on,
30:58
Speaker 2: and then halfway through third grade I moved to Foothill
31:00
Speaker 2: Elementary over in Community in riverside called Arlington, But I
31:06
Speaker 2: can remember, you know, mister Cottrell's name. I remember being
31:08
Speaker 2: pulled out of the class and reading the list. But
31:11
Speaker 2: when it comes to the hearing stuff, it's weird. It's
31:14
Speaker 2: just I know that I went through it. I just
31:16
Speaker 2: can't remember any details.
31:19
Speaker 1: And that's what that's the common problem with a lot
31:22
Speaker 1: of people that are remembering this is that they cannot
31:26
Speaker 1: remember anything about it. They just remember what happened. So
31:31
Speaker 1: it might be this, does this.
31:33
Speaker 2: National Defense Education Act? Does it reveal something?
31:37
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I need to look more into. I
31:39
Speaker 1: believe this is Eisenhower right here. So Eenhower had to
31:43
Speaker 1: have done this National Defense Education Act. I'll have to
31:48
Speaker 1: look more into it and actually read through the document
31:51
Speaker 1: and figure out exactly what it says. I think she's
31:54
Speaker 1: going to describe some of it, but I have not
31:56
Speaker 1: read it.
31:57
Speaker 4: Well, Defense Education Act was created which links education to
32:02
Speaker 4: national defense, which is weird.
32:04
Speaker 1: And there you.
32:07
Speaker 2: Go from my perspective, you know, the twenty years doing
32:11
Speaker 2: what I was doing and stuff I learned from my
32:13
Speaker 2: mentor that's a big aha. People need to pay attention
32:18
Speaker 2: to what she said about this national defense linking education
32:24
Speaker 2: to national security. Boom. That covers a lot of things
32:28
Speaker 2: they want to do, particularly during the Cold War. And
32:31
Speaker 2: remember this was what a good fifteen or sixteen years
32:34
Speaker 2: before they were caught doing the MK Ultra stuff. Yep,
32:39
Speaker 2: So nineteen fifty eight is deep in the heart of
32:42
Speaker 2: the era of they've got a license to do this stuff.
32:48
Speaker 2: So from my perspective, that's a flag.
32:52
Speaker 1: MK Ultra was supposedly shut down on eighty three and
32:55
Speaker 1: then it was revealed to the public in eighty five,
32:58
Speaker 1: so that was a good amount of time before.
33:00
Speaker 2: But I well, they got in trouble. Remember the Church
33:03
Speaker 2: Committee in the mid seventies is where it really started
33:06
Speaker 2: to like, hey, you guys are doing funny stuff. What's
33:09
Speaker 2: going on? You know? The Church Committee in like what
33:13
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four, seventy five, Yeah, but.
33:19
Speaker 1: I believe it started in fifty two, I believe. So
33:22
Speaker 1: they've been doing there for a while before. Yeah, then
33:26
Speaker 1: got caught in before it became an issue, right continue here.
33:30
Speaker 4: They started funding programs for gifted children around that time.
33:35
Speaker 4: Like when I was in elementary school was the early nineties,
33:37
Speaker 4: and my friend Haley actually was I was in which
33:40
Speaker 4: is a different thing, but it's because I didn't take
33:42
Speaker 4: the test.
33:43
Speaker 1: Seriously, Okay, when did this? Uh? I don't know if
33:49
Speaker 1: I can figure.
33:49
Speaker 2: Out gifted children. See the California program I was in.
33:52
Speaker 2: I was told when I was a kid, or when
33:54
Speaker 2: I was younger, that MGM mentally gifted minds. There's the buzzword.
34:00
Speaker 1: What the program stands for? Mentally gifted mind.
34:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, MGM, mentally gifted mind. That's That's what I've known
34:06
Speaker 2: since I was a kid, that my sisters and I
34:09
Speaker 2: were were part of. What's interesting is my one sister,
34:15
Speaker 2: I won't name her because it's sensitive stuff, but when
34:17
Speaker 2: she was a child, she suffered petty mall epilepsy, and
34:20
Speaker 2: I remember she was on a medicine to help control
34:22
Speaker 2: the petty mall or small you know, grandma is like
34:26
Speaker 2: the major epileptic where you have the overt seizure. Petty
34:29
Speaker 2: mall is the small seizure thing. And you know, some
34:35
Speaker 2: people have tied epilepsy to weird things having to do
34:39
Speaker 2: with psychic experiences and such. And she had to be
34:43
Speaker 2: on a medicine, these little orange pills called zorontan for that.
34:51
Speaker 2: For again, just a couple of years did she grow
34:55
Speaker 2: out of this? I mean, I don't know.
35:01
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the date of when Army Intelligence
35:07
Speaker 1: sent their personnel to Robert Monroe to do the gateway teams.
35:15
Speaker 1: I believe that it was around It's just off the
35:20
Speaker 1: top of my memory. It's in the in the document,
35:23
Speaker 1: it gives the exact date, but I believe it was
35:25
Speaker 1: around seventy two or seventy one, seventy two, something like that.
35:30
Speaker 1: And when did this act come out? The sixty eight
35:34
Speaker 1: is that when they said that that was the date
35:37
Speaker 1: on the on the.
35:39
Speaker 2: What the act? No, the Act was nineteen fifty eight,
35:41
Speaker 2: I think because it was yeah, because it's September second,
35:44
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight. Because that's Eisenhower. He was remembering Kennedy
35:48
Speaker 2: replaced him in the sixty election.
35:52
Speaker 1: Okay, so this was they sent the Army Intelligence people
35:57
Speaker 1: around seventy one seventy two. They had have been they
36:00
Speaker 1: were definitely running these gifted programs before. Oh yeah, so
36:05
Speaker 1: then there. That means that probably around mid seventies or
36:11
Speaker 1: early eighties is whenever they started incorporating the Monroe Institute
36:16
Speaker 1: gateway tapes into the public school system. I mean, that's
36:21
Speaker 1: just a rough, a rough estimate, because you don't remember
36:23
Speaker 1: them in school, but people in the nineties.
36:26
Speaker 2: So I would say, well, I remember I remember something,
36:29
Speaker 2: and it was there were voices in there. I just
36:31
Speaker 2: don't remember that specific voice, and I don't remember beyond
36:36
Speaker 2: something about if you hear this in this year, raise
36:39
Speaker 2: this hand, or do you hear this in your you
36:40
Speaker 2: know that thing, and and standards sound you know, audio
36:44
Speaker 2: tests do that as well. But now they were doing
36:48
Speaker 2: I would say that the maybe that specific recording they
36:52
Speaker 2: started to use in eighty two, but they were doing
36:55
Speaker 2: something like that years before that.
36:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I believe that the MA those Gateway tapes
37:01
Speaker 1: has been around for a long as time. I think
37:07
Speaker 1: since like the fifties. I believe we're like right around
37:12
Speaker 1: in there, maybe right around this time. I'm trying to
37:18
Speaker 1: look it up really quickly. Well look it up. We'll
37:19
Speaker 1: continue listening to this.
37:22
Speaker 4: But she doesn't remember much from the program at all,
37:26
Speaker 4: because when I started, I was like, you were in right,
37:28
Speaker 4: She goes, yeah, I go where the where was it?
37:30
Speaker 4: She goes, you know, it was in like a small
37:32
Speaker 4: room off the library, I think, But like, I don't
37:35
Speaker 4: really remember much about it. And that's the thing most
37:38
Speaker 4: kids and I don't remember very much about I.
37:42
Speaker 1: Was in it?
37:43
Speaker 3: What I think I was in it? I took There
37:46
Speaker 3: was the hearing test.
37:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a.
37:47
Speaker 1: Weird like flash card test.
37:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, where it was like you're predicting the car, Yes,
37:52
Speaker 3: predicting the fucking car.
37:54
Speaker 4: Okay, you might have been in because this is something
37:56
Speaker 4: that all the kids remember, so they.
37:57
Speaker 2: Would get me a nerd room.
37:59
Speaker 4: They all everybody talks about the ropes and the different
38:03
Speaker 4: colored ropes. I was supposed to, Oh my god, you're like, literally,
38:06
Speaker 4: my nipples are so that.
38:09
Speaker 1: Trey also says something about that that he remembers doing
38:12
Speaker 1: a tuss with ropes.
38:14
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I don't recall the ropes. Yeah,
38:20
Speaker 2: I don't recall the ropes. I I remember flash cards,
38:25
Speaker 2: but I don't remember it being that classic predict the
38:27
Speaker 2: shape thing you know that that didn't make my nipples hard,
38:31
Speaker 2: So I must not have remembered.
38:34
Speaker 1: You can only remember it if your nipples.
38:36
Speaker 2: Get rock hard, right, Yeah.
38:38
Speaker 1: That's that tingle. That's a tingle that people get makes
38:41
Speaker 1: your nipples hard the world. But I do have a
38:45
Speaker 1: weird thing with flash cards that I was talking to
38:47
Speaker 1: you about before, when when I was really young, I
38:52
Speaker 1: like experience like entities like coming out of the walls
38:56
Speaker 1: that might so crazy to you, whatever crazy people that is.
39:00
Speaker 1: But whenever I was young, every single night, entities would
39:03
Speaker 1: come out of the walls and surround me around my bed.
39:05
Speaker 1: And I told my parents about it, and they thought
39:07
Speaker 1: something was wrong with my eyes. I thought something was
39:10
Speaker 1: wrong with my vision. And they took me to the
39:13
Speaker 1: doctor at the hospital, and the doctor gave me these
39:17
Speaker 1: flash cards that were like no bigger than like a
39:21
Speaker 1: business card, like a standard business card, and I had
39:24
Speaker 1: these bull's eyes on it and they were like, I
39:28
Speaker 1: don't know, four or five circles within it, and then
39:31
Speaker 1: there was like the bulls eye in the center and
39:32
Speaker 1: there's three of them and they kind of there's three
39:36
Speaker 1: sections of bulls eyes. And he said, can you make
39:39
Speaker 1: these like pop up off of the flash card? Can
39:43
Speaker 1: you turn these eyes? Yeah? They were red, That's exactly right.
39:48
Speaker 1: They were red.
39:49
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember we talked about this. I still
39:54
Speaker 2: experienced this a little bit. But if there's red printing
39:59
Speaker 2: on something, it I'll look at it and it's it's
40:03
Speaker 2: off the paper. Yeah, off the paper. In multi dimensional,
40:10
Speaker 2: So you were experiencing cards that had red colored targets.
40:17
Speaker 1: Yes, red colored bull's eyes.
40:19
Speaker 2: Bullseyes and they extend it off the page.
40:22
Speaker 1: Yes.
40:23
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
40:26
Speaker 1: He's like, can you make these bulls eyes like become
40:29
Speaker 1: three D and come up off off of the page.
40:32
Speaker 2: And I was like, I still do that? Does that
40:34
Speaker 2: still happen to you?
40:36
Speaker 1: I can do it. I can do it on command.
40:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. You were probably good at those magic eye things
40:42
Speaker 2: in the nineties too, right, you know, once your eye
40:46
Speaker 2: locks in you see the three D image emerge off
40:49
Speaker 2: the page. You remember those, they're called magic eye.
40:55
Speaker 1: Uhh No, I'm not familiar with them.
40:57
Speaker 2: You were probably a little kid when they came out,
40:59
Speaker 2: because my son was really young and he was born
41:01
Speaker 2: in ninety Yeah, look at a magic eye. This is
41:06
Speaker 2: the phenomenon that makes that work, is what Sesshaie, my associate,
41:11
Speaker 2: thinks happened to me when I saw the image of
41:16
Speaker 2: Athena on the side of a mountain that I was
41:20
Speaker 2: standing just in the right place at the right time
41:23
Speaker 2: and focus just right, and it was like burned on
41:29
Speaker 2: the side of the mountain, but it it just kind
41:31
Speaker 2: of emerged with more contrast. And I don't know how
41:36
Speaker 2: to describe it, but he thinks it's this magic eye thing.
41:39
Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder, now, who really first put
41:42
Speaker 2: those magic eye things out in the nineties, right, I mean,
41:46
Speaker 2: did they put those out as kind of a tester
41:49
Speaker 2: or a way for people to practice being able to
41:53
Speaker 2: like you were told, make it three D, make it
41:56
Speaker 2: jump off the page. You know. I don't know. It
42:00
Speaker 2: was a novelty item, you know when it was out,
42:04
Speaker 2: but one of the most intriguing novelty items I've ever seen.
42:12
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I do remember these magic eyes. I do
42:16
Speaker 1: remember seeing these. I'm looking it up on Google right now. Yeah,
42:19
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really strange ones, but yeah, I
42:24
Speaker 1: would definitely, I'm looking at them right now. Yeah.
42:27
Speaker 2: Makes me wonder if maybe the person who came up
42:29
Speaker 2: with that as the novelty had some connection to someone
42:33
Speaker 2: who was involved in those cards, right, you know, maybe
42:37
Speaker 2: the Monroe It'd be interesting to find out if the
42:39
Speaker 2: person who created the fun magic eye stuff, if they
42:45
Speaker 2: had some connection to the Monroe Institute. Stranger things have happened.
42:51
Speaker 1: Yes, And he gave me these cards and he said,
42:54
Speaker 1: come back and visit me when you can make all
42:56
Speaker 1: of them pop up off of the cards. So then
42:59
Speaker 1: I went back home and I practiced because I could
43:03
Speaker 1: do like the first one, but I couldn't do the
43:05
Speaker 1: second one or the third one. The first one they
43:07
Speaker 1: got more like in focus as they went, so the
43:10
Speaker 1: first one was like really blurry, right, and then the
43:15
Speaker 1: second one was less blurry, and then the third one
43:18
Speaker 1: was like really pronounced and like.
43:21
Speaker 2: It's the comeback when you can make them all jump. Comment,
43:25
Speaker 2: that to me is really significant, Like you like that
43:29
Speaker 2: was somebody recognized that as a gift or skill that
43:33
Speaker 2: they wanted you to develop.
43:36
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought, And I never went back.
43:40
Speaker 1: My parents never took me back, even though I told them.
43:43
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I can do it now. I
43:46
Speaker 1: figured it out, so.
43:48
Speaker 2: You were able to do it, but they never took
43:49
Speaker 2: you back. Right, Oh, that's too bad. That would have
43:52
Speaker 2: been interesting to see what would have happened next.
43:56
Speaker 1: That would have been really interesting, really really interesting. But
43:59
Speaker 1: he was keen aware enough to not say that you know,
44:04
Speaker 1: I was crazy, or that I was out of my
44:07
Speaker 1: mind or I was yeah, exactly, you had to have known,
44:12
Speaker 1: and that was just, uh, that's just my experience with
44:16
Speaker 1: the flash cards, because they're they're bringing up the flash
44:18
Speaker 1: cards and predicting things. But that's the only thing that
44:23
Speaker 1: I'm aware of that happened to me with flash cards
44:25
Speaker 1: in my interesting was with this doctor asking if I
44:30
Speaker 1: can make the with the things on the card like
44:35
Speaker 1: three D, and I can do. I can. I have
44:38
Speaker 1: to try and replicate it and like make it through
44:43
Speaker 1: uh like you know, photoshop er editing tools so I
44:48
Speaker 1: can get a physical representation of it for people to
44:54
Speaker 1: see exactly what I'm talking about. But yeah, I can.
44:57
Speaker 1: I can do it to this day, like I can yeah,
45:00
Speaker 1: turn things into like I can split things in like two,
45:04
Speaker 1: Like I can make it like an alternative version of
45:08
Speaker 1: like whatever it is that I want to see. Like
45:11
Speaker 1: sometimes like I can have the TV like suparate and
45:16
Speaker 1: the TV will just like float up the wall like
45:18
Speaker 1: a duplicate of the TV and might be going crazy there,
45:25
Speaker 1: but I can do it. It's and it doesn't happen
45:28
Speaker 1: if I don't want it to happen. Yeah, yep, all right,
45:33
Speaker 1: let's continue.
45:34
Speaker 2: Right now the fuck out.
45:36
Speaker 4: Do you also feel like you've had like, do you
45:38
Speaker 4: have reoccurring dreams where you feel.
45:40
Speaker 3: Like I can't do this right now? Okay, do you want.
45:42
Speaker 4: Me to leave you alone? Do you have like reoccurring
45:45
Speaker 4: dreams where you feel like you're like, to some degree,
45:49
Speaker 4: they're predictive of the future, and then something happens that
45:51
Speaker 4: you all.
45:52
Speaker 3: The fucking time my life is that I literally, yeah, yeah,
45:59
Speaker 3: that happened to me very specifically, most vividly on a Saturday,
46:03
Speaker 3: early Saturday evening in January of nineteen eighty one.
46:10
Speaker 2: I had and I have vivid dreams. I had the
46:13
Speaker 2: most vivid dream of my life that I can still
46:16
Speaker 2: remember the details of, and parts of that dream came true.
46:20
Speaker 2: I found myself in those places specifically in that dream
46:24
Speaker 2: came true for well over twenty some years, twenty to
46:28
Speaker 2: thirty years or more, and that has I wouldn't say
46:33
Speaker 2: it's haunted me, but it's been something that it's just there,
46:39
Speaker 2: you know, I would find myself. The first time I
46:41
Speaker 2: went to Germany, you know, was what seventeen eighteen years
46:47
Speaker 2: or so somewhere in there. It was ninety seven. I
46:51
Speaker 2: go to Rudisheim. I've never been to Germany. I've never
46:53
Speaker 2: been to Rudishim, Germany. I turn a corner and there
46:56
Speaker 2: I am, and it just comes back extremely vivid. This
46:59
Speaker 2: was in that friggin dream I had in January of
47:02
Speaker 2: eighty one. I mean specific things, and yeah, that anyway,
47:12
Speaker 2: for what that's worth. I know there's people out there
47:13
Speaker 2: and you're telling stories, and you know, I don't know
47:16
Speaker 2: what to say to those people who just are they
47:20
Speaker 2: have the certainty fetish. If they're not certain themselves, then
47:23
Speaker 2: everybody's bullshitting. I understand that's how this sounds. But the
47:28
Speaker 2: predictive dreaming and that wasn't the only time that's happened,
47:30
Speaker 2: but that that has been the most vivid time. And
47:32
Speaker 2: I asked my mentor years later, I said, what was
47:35
Speaker 2: that dream? What happened to me? And what he told
47:38
Speaker 2: me was you were shown several years ahead of your life,
47:47
Speaker 2: and he said, at some point it'll happen again. And
47:52
Speaker 2: I just remember him telling me. I'm like, what the
47:54
Speaker 2: hell you know? By this time, I'm I think I
47:56
Speaker 2: was FBI or the Air Force at the time. I'm like,
47:59
Speaker 2: what what do you mean? I was showing several you
48:02
Speaker 2: what the hell you know? What does that imply? But yeah,
48:08
Speaker 2: that's that's been my experience with that.
48:12
Speaker 1: Sorry, Early, No, that's really important. It's really important. Dell Graph,
48:19
Speaker 1: which was the operations manager of the Stargate Remove viewing unit,
48:25
Speaker 1: the guy that actually coined the term. Stargate has wrote
48:31
Speaker 1: a book on like dreams and like how like predictive
48:36
Speaker 1: dreams and like I've had him on a couple of times.
48:38
Speaker 1: You should maybe try and get in contact with him
48:41
Speaker 1: and bring him on the show. He's done a whole
48:43
Speaker 1: like He's talked about it several times on my show,
48:47
Speaker 1: and he thinks that that is linked to like it's
48:52
Speaker 1: like it abilities.
48:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have since come to think, come to conclude,
49:02
Speaker 2: come to think. I hate to use the word believe,
49:04
Speaker 2: because I've thought this through. He also said to me,
49:11
Speaker 2: you will understand that dream and what happened to you
49:14
Speaker 2: and that dream and what happened to you, you know
49:17
Speaker 2: in December of seventy nine when I had my weird
49:20
Speaker 2: enlightenment experience, He says, he told me in the mid
49:24
Speaker 2: nineties that I would figure out what it is I
49:29
Speaker 2: had done that that was the result of. And you know,
49:36
Speaker 2: that's a whole other discussion I think I have And
49:39
Speaker 2: I got a kind of confirmation from him before he
49:42
Speaker 2: died as to what I think explained the being shown however,
49:50
Speaker 2: many years ahead of my life, and it's just it's
49:54
Speaker 2: all part of my weird story. But what's interesting is
49:57
Speaker 2: is in the context of what we're talking about here,
50:00
Speaker 2: this you know, is showing up, But go ahead, I
50:05
Speaker 2: don't want to digress.
50:07
Speaker 1: No, that's uh, that's important. That's really important because I
50:11
Speaker 1: think that it's all I think that it's all connected.
50:13
Speaker 1: It's definitely all connected. I mean the programs being tested for,
50:20
Speaker 1: like having flashcard tacks, predictive text, the taking the substance,
50:25
Speaker 1: the psychics experiments, the Monroe Institute, Gateway tapes, predictive dreams,
50:33
Speaker 1: the Stargate program. It's like, all it's all one big.
50:39
Speaker 2: That I believe we were specimens. We were specimens, specimens
50:45
Speaker 2: for study and then development in some cases.
50:52
Speaker 1: All right, let's continue this video because there's more that
50:55
Speaker 1: they talk about here.
50:56
Speaker 3: Ben, I've had all these weird moments and then the
50:59
Speaker 3: next day I mean them and this is crazy.
51:01
Speaker 4: You keep going, Okay, So did they give you a tiny,
51:04
Speaker 4: like a weird little pink drink. Do you remember getting
51:07
Speaker 4: a little pink drink?
51:08
Speaker 1: I thought, this is the pink drink stuff.
51:10
Speaker 3: Does it test my blood sugar?
51:12
Speaker 2: No?
51:13
Speaker 1: So that was blood sugar.
51:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
51:15
Speaker 4: So everybody literally like can you see my nipples? Everybody
51:20
Speaker 4: in the program remembers getting a little pink drink, and
51:24
Speaker 4: after that pink drink, they don't remember much else until
51:26
Speaker 4: something like this happens and there's an exchange and they're like, no,
51:29
Speaker 4: I remember this, and I remember the weird sheapes. And
51:31
Speaker 4: they would show me these cards and they'd want me
51:33
Speaker 4: to know what was on the next card before I
51:34
Speaker 4: saw the card, so I was like predicting what was
51:36
Speaker 4: on the card. And they would put something in a
51:37
Speaker 4: box and i'd have to know what was in the box,
51:39
Speaker 4: and they'd make me wear three D glasses like one
51:41
Speaker 4: red eye, one blue eye, and yeah, so all of
51:45
Speaker 4: that they believe. The theory says is an educational program
51:50
Speaker 4: that's inspired by or directly linked to the mk Ultra program.
51:55
Speaker 1: And yes, yes, I.
52:01
Speaker 2: Remember, and I haven't been able to find it yet.
52:04
Speaker 2: Maybe someone can find it, but I haven't been able
52:07
Speaker 2: to find it yet. But I remember, around nineteen seventy
52:09
Speaker 2: or seventy one, my dad brought home this little block
52:13
Speaker 2: about the size of a Rubik's cube, but it wasn't
52:16
Speaker 2: on hinges. It was different shapes and if it was
52:20
Speaker 2: in a square a cube and you could take it apart,
52:23
Speaker 2: but you had to figure out how to put it
52:25
Speaker 2: back together, and he brought it home one day. I
52:30
Speaker 2: do not recall where he said he got it from,
52:32
Speaker 2: and it was around the house, and you know, we'd
52:34
Speaker 2: fidget with it and I remember figuring out how to
52:37
Speaker 2: do it. My sisters did too. But now now, I mean,
52:42
Speaker 2: now it's like everything's on the table. It's like, Okay,
52:44
Speaker 2: my dad, the guy who had been in the Air Force,
52:46
Speaker 2: had been in the weird stuff that happened to him,
52:49
Speaker 2: He's the one that comes home with this thing, you know.
52:52
Speaker 2: I mean, did they give it to him and say
52:57
Speaker 2: give this to your kids as kind of a another test.
53:02
Speaker 2: I don't know, but if somebody can find that they
53:04
Speaker 2: were plastic and it was these different shapes that would
53:07
Speaker 2: all fit together in a cube about the size of
53:10
Speaker 2: a Rubik's cube, and maybe it was just a common
53:13
Speaker 2: game toy thing back then. But you know, I'm within
53:17
Speaker 2: the context. I have to wonder.
53:21
Speaker 1: This is so strange because if that is true what
53:24
Speaker 1: you just said right there, that they were trying to
53:27
Speaker 1: have these kids predict the next flash car, they would
53:31
Speaker 1: put something on a box, tell them what's inside of
53:35
Speaker 1: the box. That's the type of experiments that SRI was doing.
53:42
Speaker 1: Whenever they first got the contract with the government in
53:45
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two with their remote viewers.
53:49
Speaker 2: Has anybody taken freeze framed on that video and zoomed
53:54
Speaker 2: into those bottles that had the pink stuff in it
53:56
Speaker 2: to read the labels.
53:59
Speaker 1: I don't think that that was an actual I think
54:01
Speaker 1: that that was just like a visual representation or what
54:05
Speaker 1: was going on. I don't think that that was a
54:07
Speaker 1: real quoto. But that is crazy if that is true,
54:12
Speaker 1: that they're doing this in school. I mean, Lyn Buchanan
54:18
Speaker 1: will tell you that that's what sometimes that they would do,
54:21
Speaker 1: that they would put That's how they tested some of
54:24
Speaker 1: the remote viewers is they would put something into an
54:26
Speaker 1: envelope and then they would have their their they would
54:31
Speaker 1: ask the question, what's inside of the envelope? What number
54:33
Speaker 1: is inside of the envelope? Yeah, insanity. So that also
54:41
Speaker 1: confirms that either SRI was directly involved or they indirectly involved,
54:49
Speaker 1: they gave this information to the government and the government
54:52
Speaker 1: put it in there, or like in the document that
54:54
Speaker 1: I brought up in the very beginning of the show,
54:56
Speaker 1: they were involved with experiment on children. SRI was directly
55:04
Speaker 1: involved in these public school gifted programs.
55:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the things that we're talking about that we
55:12
Speaker 2: all experienced. It sounds like this passive type of testing, right.
55:17
Speaker 2: That sounds like something that SRI was one of those
55:23
Speaker 2: organizations that that was kind of their forte to come
55:25
Speaker 2: up with what appears to be an innocuous activity but
55:30
Speaker 2: can tell them a lot. It's telling them more than
55:34
Speaker 2: we're able to guess they're trying to do, you know,
55:37
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't speak.
55:43
Speaker 1: There are several mk ULTRA subprojects out of the one hundred
55:47
Speaker 1: and forty nine subprojects, which you already know this Walter
55:51
Speaker 1: Butt that was directed for figuring out psychic abilities. Yesp yeah,
56:02
Speaker 1: it was a part of the m k Ultra programs.
56:04
Speaker 1: That's what got me interested in this entire topic from
56:08
Speaker 1: the jump was reading through the mk ULTRA declassified projects
56:13
Speaker 1: and realizing that there were subprojects that was related to
56:18
Speaker 1: the development of psychic abilities. And when you look at trauma, well,
56:24
Speaker 1: you know, one of the works, people are traumatized, they're
56:26
Speaker 1: emotionally traumatized and normally heightened.
56:29
Speaker 2: Well you know, and and again the certainty fetish people,
56:37
Speaker 2: you know, the poop pooers, the bunkers, they like to say, ah,
56:42
Speaker 2: well look this general over here wrote a memo that said,
56:45
Speaker 2: this isn't worth anything, nothing comes to this, or or
56:47
Speaker 2: you know, you know how easy when you hit pay
56:51
Speaker 2: dirt okay, and you want to clamp a lid on something, Okay,
56:56
Speaker 2: you know how easy it is for the first step
56:59
Speaker 2: in clamping lid is okay, generate a document that says
57:03
Speaker 2: there's nothing to this. You know, keep moving people, there's
57:06
Speaker 2: nothing to see here, there's nothing to this. Remote viewing.
57:09
Speaker 2: I mean, they can do that. And could it be
57:12
Speaker 2: total BS, Absolutely, it can be total BS. But but
57:16
Speaker 2: if it's if it's within the mandate of protecting something.
57:20
Speaker 2: Look at anti grav research. Anti gravity research was a
57:24
Speaker 2: very open source thing that was being pursued through the
57:28
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties and then suddenly in nineteen fifty eight, no
57:32
Speaker 2: more talk about it in popular mechanics and things like that,
57:36
Speaker 2: no more public discussion. And then beyond that, anybody who
57:41
Speaker 2: did talk about it, Oh they're a kook. We looked
57:44
Speaker 2: into that and there's nothing to it. Well, BS, most
57:48
Speaker 2: people think that the breakthrough was made in that in
57:52
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight, or some level of breakthrough. So they
57:55
Speaker 2: clamped a lid on it. And of course you want
57:57
Speaker 2: to control the narrative with perception management. So the famous
58:03
Speaker 2: I'm not stubblebind but the other general who said, nah,
58:07
Speaker 2: there's nothing to this remote viewing thing, this is done.
58:12
Speaker 2: I question that. I think it might have been that
58:15
Speaker 2: it was quite the opposite, and they decided, okay, we
58:18
Speaker 2: need to clamp a tighter lid down on this, so
58:21
Speaker 2: let's generate the oh there's nothing to this, we're going
58:24
Speaker 2: to stop it. And then we just you know, the
58:28
Speaker 2: army stopped it. So what they do is they just
58:31
Speaker 2: farm it out to another entity, which is the you know,
58:34
Speaker 2: very similar to UFO stuff. The government can honestly say,
58:39
Speaker 2: with you know, culpable deniability, oh we're not storing any
58:42
Speaker 2: captured flying saucers or anything like that. Well, because they
58:45
Speaker 2: learned long ago that private corporations their proprietary material, they're
58:50
Speaker 2: not bound by US law to share that with the
58:52
Speaker 2: public at all. Ever, so they figured out, well, let's
58:56
Speaker 2: start a contract company you know, that's going to be
58:59
Speaker 2: the cadian of this stuff, so that we Uncle Sam
59:02
Speaker 2: can be honest and say we don't have a flying saucer,
59:06
Speaker 2: but the shell contractor that they created to house the
59:11
Speaker 2: stuff so they can still have access to it to
59:13
Speaker 2: study it. You know, they're the ones who are holding it,
59:16
Speaker 2: and they don't have to admit it. There's no law
59:19
Speaker 2: that says a private corporation, even if contracted by the government,
59:24
Speaker 2: has to reveal any of those kinds of secrets. So
59:27
Speaker 2: I've said for years, stop stop stomping your foot at
59:30
Speaker 2: the US government in the Air Force to tell you
59:32
Speaker 2: the UFO secrets, and start demanding and putting the heat
59:36
Speaker 2: on the corporations, the contractors who are probably the custodian.
59:40
Speaker 2: So just like in that situation, you know, remote viewing
59:45
Speaker 2: probably got you know, they play the shell game. It
59:47
Speaker 2: probably got moved over here. So sure, yeah, the army
59:50
Speaker 2: they stopped it because it's just not sensible, good army stuff.
59:54
Speaker 2: But move it somewhere else, you know, move it to
59:58
Speaker 2: a different branch, or move it to a different department
1:00:01
Speaker 2: of the government. Anyway, that's my two cents on that.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: Like the NSSA, that's.
1:00:08
Speaker 2: Right, nay, or you know wherever you know.
1:00:13
Speaker 1: Well, Sam bugs the three D glasses statement here. He
1:00:16
Speaker 1: says the blue and red three D glasses as well,
1:00:20
Speaker 1: around the same time, in the same program, probably, which
1:00:23
Speaker 1: what does three D glasses do? Right? It makes things
1:00:28
Speaker 1: three D. So could they be testing their vision to
1:00:32
Speaker 1: get them used to doing this magic eye thing, okay.
1:00:40
Speaker 2: Or so they're not startled so that they're not startled
1:00:44
Speaker 2: when it happens naturally. Perhaps where you go.
1:00:48
Speaker 1: You know, that was probably the reason for because if
1:00:53
Speaker 1: you were to put three D glasses on and you
1:00:55
Speaker 1: weren't doing the magic eye thing, the bull's eyes would
1:00:57
Speaker 1: pop up because they're blurred. Oh my god, Walter, Oh
1:01:02
Speaker 1: my god. That's why they were blurred.
1:01:06
Speaker 2: So that they would pop easier.
1:01:10
Speaker 1: And then they got clearer. So the advanced form of
1:01:14
Speaker 1: the third bull's eye is the most clear. And so
1:01:17
Speaker 1: if you weren't doing the magic eye thing and you
1:01:19
Speaker 1: put three D glasses on, they would automatically pop up
1:01:23
Speaker 1: off of the.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the glasses might have been. The glasses might
1:01:28
Speaker 2: have been for those who couldn't do it naturally.
1:01:31
Speaker 1: Yes, to try and train them, to get them to
1:01:35
Speaker 1: the point that they could do it without the glasses to.
1:01:38
Speaker 2: Bring them up. Oh my god, there you go, you know.
1:01:43
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sorry the people that are gonna
1:01:46
Speaker 2: you know, debunk and they say it and be all negative.
1:01:50
Speaker 2: It's like I can't help you, you know, it's just
1:01:53
Speaker 2: it's just not something that you know you're going to
1:01:56
Speaker 2: be open to. But when you've got you know, traces
1:02:00
Speaker 2: and hints and documents and stuff that showed that certainly
1:02:03
Speaker 2: the US government, the intelligence community, community, the national defense
1:02:08
Speaker 2: community was digging into this stuff, was pursuing this stuff.
1:02:13
Speaker 2: You know, you can't just write it off as you know,
1:02:17
Speaker 2: all fantasy. There's something to this, there's something to all
1:02:24
Speaker 2: of this that we're talking about, something legit. Otherwise they
1:02:27
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been they wouldn't have been fooling with it
1:02:30
Speaker 2: if there wasn't something.
1:02:33
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense, so much sense, and I
1:02:38
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to put that together if I
1:02:41
Speaker 1: didn't have that doctor give me that flash card. Yeah wow,
1:02:49
Speaker 1: Well so that's a whole other thing too, that we
1:02:52
Speaker 1: could probably do a whole other show on, which is
1:02:55
Speaker 1: the the UFOs. And people have claimed that I forget
1:03:01
Speaker 1: who it was. It was one of the approved people
1:03:05
Speaker 1: to talk about UFOs and Congress and all that, you know,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: one of these people, Dave Groscher, Jeremy Corbell, or one
1:03:10
Speaker 1: of them, one of the other approoved people, James Fox.
1:03:13
Speaker 1: Maybe I was talking about how they would use remote
1:03:18
Speaker 1: viewers to control the unmanned UFO craft HM right, where
1:03:27
Speaker 1: they would connect their minds on Earth to the craft
1:03:32
Speaker 1: and be able to remotely pilot the craft with their mind. Interesting, right,
1:03:41
Speaker 1: that is a whole other robbital.
1:03:43
Speaker 2: And notice how we get into the nineties and then
1:03:48
Speaker 2: that's when it emerges that you know, oh, the Roswell
1:03:52
Speaker 2: aliens were controlling their craft with their mind, you know,
1:03:58
Speaker 2: And that seems to coincide with after years of doing
1:04:02
Speaker 2: this mind sciences research and remote viewing stuff that you know. Oh, now,
1:04:06
Speaker 2: let's lay that onto the Roswell thing, right, which you know,
1:04:11
Speaker 2: I you know me, I'm long convinced that Roswell had
1:04:14
Speaker 2: not a damned thing to do with extraterrestrials. And anytime
1:04:18
Speaker 2: I get these angry debaters, you know, oh, how you
1:04:22
Speaker 2: know this guy doesn't know any of the information. All
1:04:25
Speaker 2: the information that they cite about the et hypothesis was
1:04:29
Speaker 2: disproven years ago or proven to be lies and stuff.
1:04:32
Speaker 2: But they're newbies and they're believing the old stuff. I think,
1:04:38
Speaker 2: with Colonel Corso in particular, I think stuff that we
1:04:43
Speaker 2: were developing on our own was through the years attached
1:04:48
Speaker 2: to Oh we got it from the Roswell craft. Oh
1:04:51
Speaker 2: we got it from the Roswell aliens, because we want
1:04:53
Speaker 2: to keep it secret that this is just very human
1:04:57
Speaker 2: developed Earth developed in our case, US government developed stuff,
1:05:04
Speaker 2: you know. And they it's it's like they created this
1:05:08
Speaker 2: Roswell et myth as they're catch all for Oh, we couldn't,
1:05:14
Speaker 2: we couldn't develop this on our own. It was a
1:05:18
Speaker 2: it was a gift, an unintended gift from the Roswell
1:05:21
Speaker 2: alien crash. And and there's enough people that want to
1:05:26
Speaker 2: believe that it was et that you're not going to
1:05:29
Speaker 2: convince them otherwise. But the clue to the key that
1:05:35
Speaker 2: the people that are most vehement about that, they're almost religious,
1:05:38
Speaker 2: and their devotion to it is the anger when you
1:05:42
Speaker 2: throw something at somebody that really shakes the foundations of
1:05:46
Speaker 2: their inner beliefs and their faith in whatever it is.
1:05:51
Speaker 2: It's a very human response to get angry because you're
1:05:55
Speaker 2: throwing an existential threat at them, you know. And the
1:05:58
Speaker 2: Roswell e t folks they get that way. So anyway,
1:06:05
Speaker 2: that's another aside.
1:06:06
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, I'm in a complete agreements with you and
1:06:12
Speaker 1: your research. I share your same belief about the Roswell crash.
1:06:16
Speaker 1: It's more likely that it was a test flight for
1:06:20
Speaker 1: the very first space operations that they were doing after
1:06:23
Speaker 1: World War Two, and then got out of hand and crashed,
1:06:26
Speaker 1: and then they had to something and cover it up,
1:06:28
Speaker 1: and then it became a really big phenomenon in nineteen eighty.
1:06:32
Speaker 1: No one talked about it, No one cared about it
1:06:34
Speaker 1: until nineteen eighty and that book came out by what's
1:06:39
Speaker 1: his name, the big UFO researcher that came on and
1:06:43
Speaker 1: said that it was all made upmore right more? Bill Moore,
1:06:48
Speaker 1: William Moore, Bill William Moore. That's what made Roswell take
1:06:54
Speaker 1: off in the zeitgeistav ufology. Nobody cared about it before
1:06:59
Speaker 1: they all, right, let's continue this video.
1:07:05
Speaker 4: MK Ultra program was when they were fucking around with
1:07:07
Speaker 4: mind control and psychedelic drugs, and like the men who
1:07:10
Speaker 4: talked to goats ship and also I would say stranger
1:07:13
Speaker 4: things because.
1:07:14
Speaker 1: Men who's there at goats But I'll give her a part.
1:07:19
Speaker 4: All of this sounds a lot like what happened to eleven.
1:07:21
Speaker 4: Everybody who was in the not everybody, but like most
1:07:23
Speaker 4: people I've spoken to don't remember a thing about it.
1:07:26
Speaker 4: They have all those things that you remember they think
1:07:29
Speaker 4: that was the hearing and seeing tests in school, and.
1:07:32
Speaker 1: So what was their goal?
1:07:33
Speaker 2: What we didn't want to prep these kids for.
1:07:35
Speaker 4: They wanted to prep these kids to start learning how
1:07:38
Speaker 4: to which you fucking later did in a video astral
1:07:43
Speaker 4: projection astral projection and that thing that you did where
1:07:48
Speaker 4: he gets cheesecake factory remote viewing. Yes, so all of
1:07:52
Speaker 4: the kids that they were thrown off. Yeah, and then
1:07:55
Speaker 4: and it's crazy because I was thinking about that on
1:07:57
Speaker 4: the way over here, stressed. And so the point was
1:08:00
Speaker 4: because they were worried about all these things going on
1:08:03
Speaker 4: like that this was the educational defense system that they
1:08:05
Speaker 4: were putting together because kids have like a thinner veil
1:08:08
Speaker 4: and are more open and more suggestible. And the extension
1:08:11
Speaker 4: of this where it becomes a little cuckoo nuts okay.
1:08:14
Speaker 1: Is this does get a little cuckoo for, but not
1:08:22
Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility.
1:08:25
Speaker 4: Well, so, like, honestly, like I'm with the theory to
1:08:27
Speaker 4: this point because I know that the government does weird stuff,
1:08:30
Speaker 4: and I know that they get like creative about things,
1:08:33
Speaker 4: like there's a bunch of private companies that their sole
1:08:36
Speaker 4: existence is to be creative and come up with weird weapons,
1:08:40
Speaker 4: like different weapons development things like that's their sole function
1:08:43
Speaker 4: of purpose. So of course someone's gonna think like, oh,
1:08:45
Speaker 4: let's tap into the next generation. The step further is
1:08:49
Speaker 4: that they believe that these kids were specifically being taught
1:08:55
Speaker 4: how to communicate with you.
1:08:58
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I cured.
1:09:01
Speaker 3: I have talked about.
1:09:04
Speaker 1: The theory. I don't know. Possibly, but Tray in the
1:09:10
Speaker 1: video said that he had an encounter with an entity
1:09:16
Speaker 1: when he was growing up and he had a drawing
1:09:20
Speaker 1: of it. Cool, he had a drawing of it. Walter,
1:09:26
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird.
1:09:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, and Trey's a level had a guy,
1:09:30
Speaker 2: you know when when someone like that. I didn't have
1:09:32
Speaker 2: my UFO experience till twenty fourteen, you know, and I've
1:09:35
Speaker 2: been into this stuff all my life, but I didn't
1:09:37
Speaker 2: have my bona fide UFO experience till you know, I
1:09:40
Speaker 2: was you know what fifty one, I think? You know,
1:09:48
Speaker 2: have you seen the drawing of the.
1:09:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, he showed the drawing in on our show.
1:09:53
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I got to finish watching that then, Okay.
1:09:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, showed the drawing of the h the gray alien
1:10:01
Speaker 1: that he that he saw when he was a kid. Okay,
1:10:07
Speaker 1: And that kind of struck a like a chord with
1:10:11
Speaker 1: me as well, because my family also seeing really strange
1:10:17
Speaker 1: things that I was informed about whenever I.
1:10:20
Speaker 2: Was older and you were in West Virginia too, right, Yes,
1:10:26
Speaker 2: we both know that place is a friggin doorway.
1:10:34
Speaker 1: Yep. Really strange, really weird. My family, my dad specifically
1:10:39
Speaker 1: seeing very strange things while he was growing up. I
1:10:42
Speaker 1: wasn't informed of it until I was around eighteen nineteen
1:10:45
Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, we had like entities and craft and like,
1:10:54
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think. I don't know what
1:10:56
Speaker 1: to think about it.
1:10:58
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's some. I think there's some. I
1:11:02
Speaker 2: hate that it's the only term we got, but that's
1:11:05
Speaker 2: why I prefer to call them the tua en. But
1:11:08
Speaker 2: you know those others that emerge in fairy lore, so
1:11:12
Speaker 2: to speak, those interdimensionals. You know, Jacques Valet, before he
1:11:15
Speaker 2: sold out to the Et hypothesis people, his research was going.
1:11:24
Speaker 2: What he was finding was more and more in interdimensional beings,
1:11:28
Speaker 2: and the tua specifically he had you know, identified, and
1:11:36
Speaker 2: and yet nobody wanted to hear that. Nobody wants to
1:11:38
Speaker 2: hear that, just like Joshua Kutchen in his oh, what's
1:11:43
Speaker 2: it called the Ecology of Souls or something. His his
1:11:48
Speaker 2: incredible work connecting death and the realm of the dead
1:11:56
Speaker 2: with UFOs. And you know, he's written a thick but
1:11:59
Speaker 2: I think of titled the Ecology of Souls, but thick
1:12:04
Speaker 2: work and it's two volumes. You know, he was intrigued
1:12:07
Speaker 2: with the question that Anne Streeber had said, you know,
1:12:11
Speaker 2: brought up to Whitley where her comment, you know, before
1:12:14
Speaker 2: she passed, was I think this UFO thing has something
1:12:17
Speaker 2: to do with the dead. And you know that that
1:12:20
Speaker 2: when I first heard that, I found that intriguing as hell.
1:12:23
Speaker 2: And Joshua Kutchen really has done a deep dive and
1:12:26
Speaker 2: written this amazing book, you know, on that theme of
1:12:31
Speaker 2: there's something interdimensional connected with this UFO stuff, and I
1:12:36
Speaker 2: certainly think that has to do with what we're talking about.
1:12:41
Speaker 2: The weirdness in West Virginia. You know, Woody Drnberger injured
1:12:45
Speaker 2: Cole Mothman. But but that's just the that's just the
1:12:49
Speaker 2: stuff people have heard about. You know, there's a monster, yeah,
1:12:54
Speaker 2: Flatwood's monster and and uh and all of that. It's
1:12:58
Speaker 2: it's a weird That area is just one of those
1:13:02
Speaker 2: weird doorway areas.
1:13:05
Speaker 1: Yep, very strange.
1:13:07
Speaker 3: This experience on the podcast before and in real life
1:13:10
Speaker 3: when I was really young and I saw three gray
1:13:14
Speaker 3: aliens outside of our bedroom window as on the top bunk,
1:13:16
Speaker 3: and it like scarred me for life, and Mom told
1:13:18
Speaker 3: me they were Guardian angels and I freaked the phone.
1:13:20
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you have shared that on this podcast.
1:13:22
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry. Wait.
1:13:25
Speaker 4: Literally a lot of the kids also like, that's another
1:13:28
Speaker 4: one of how three times not to make this and
1:13:30
Speaker 4: they say gray aliens?
1:13:31
Speaker 1: Spencer.
1:13:32
Speaker 3: How many times have I said, I think aliens are
1:13:33
Speaker 3: gonna contact me.
1:13:34
Speaker 1: We need to get a camera.
1:13:35
Speaker 3: I've been like, that's gonna happen, and we're going to
1:13:38
Speaker 3: film that.
1:13:38
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, and aliens are coming. They're coming to
1:13:44
Speaker 1: give me. What about the camera? No one ever has
1:13:46
Speaker 1: a camera on them whenever they're about to see the aliens.
1:13:49
Speaker 4: Though, I'm so stressed your cat had to come.
1:13:54
Speaker 1: I need to leave you, like the dress needs to
1:13:55
Speaker 1: leave us. I don't want to be around for the aliens.
1:13:58
Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's the thought. The thought is that
1:13:59
Speaker 4: they were teaching them.
1:14:02
Speaker 2: With my UFO encounter, I did have presence of mind
1:14:05
Speaker 2: to run in the house and get the camera and
1:14:07
Speaker 2: I got it on video. But we I say we
1:14:12
Speaker 2: because there was another witness with me. We both realized
1:14:16
Speaker 2: that what we were seeing with our eyes the camera
1:14:20
Speaker 2: did not capture, and that people have reported that all
1:14:24
Speaker 2: the camera captures is you know, this light doing something
1:14:28
Speaker 2: weird and the stuff that the glowing stuff, I call
1:14:32
Speaker 2: it hot stuff, glowing stuff that was spilling over the edge.
1:14:37
Speaker 2: But we were seeing it. It looked much closer and
1:14:40
Speaker 2: we were seeing greater detail. I had to do a
1:14:42
Speaker 2: drawing and sketch, you know, but I did have the
1:14:46
Speaker 2: presence of mind to run and get my camera. And
1:14:49
Speaker 2: it stayed there like it was waiting for me to
1:14:52
Speaker 2: get my camera and before it started moving again.
1:14:58
Speaker 1: That's weird, really weird.
1:15:02
Speaker 4: How to astra project into like conference rooms with aliens?
1:15:06
Speaker 1: Are the aliens going to be nice?
1:15:08
Speaker 2: Ask him?
1:15:09
Speaker 4: It seems like you knows.
1:15:09
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just trying to decide.
1:15:11
Speaker 3: I'm around all obsessed weirdly into aliens.
1:15:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, so weird.
1:15:15
Speaker 4: Well, And I asked another friend of mine because her
1:15:17
Speaker 4: husband was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that I was
1:15:19
Speaker 4: abducted as a child, and I was like, I hit
1:15:20
Speaker 4: her up, and I was like yo, was your husband
1:15:22
Speaker 4: in the program too?
1:15:24
Speaker 1: He wasn't. What if that's why you're so into this
1:15:29
Speaker 1: genre of thing conspiracy.
1:15:33
Speaker 2: This is the weirdest day.
1:15:34
Speaker 1: Of my life. There might be something It might be
1:15:39
Speaker 1: something to that as well.
1:15:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think what we're seeing here is the
1:15:46
Speaker 2: thing that all these people have in common myself, you Trey,
1:15:51
Speaker 2: is look at the common other weird experiences that this
1:15:54
Speaker 2: has seemed to lead to, or seem to have been
1:15:58
Speaker 2: a part of it all along. I mean, did they
1:16:00
Speaker 2: select certain kids because they already knew we were being exposed,
1:16:05
Speaker 2: you know, or we were having these strange encounters with
1:16:09
Speaker 2: these others? Were they were they the source of these encounters?
1:16:15
Speaker 2: You know? Were we being were they projecting things to us?
1:16:19
Speaker 2: You know? These are the questions that arise. But it's
1:16:21
Speaker 2: interesting how the people that as kids went through this
1:16:26
Speaker 2: also have these very strange, weird things that happened. So
1:16:31
Speaker 2: you ask, did they know that about us, or did
1:16:36
Speaker 2: it happen because we had a certain aptitude that they
1:16:41
Speaker 2: spiked development in.
1:16:45
Speaker 1: Could be could be the combo of them both, It
1:16:49
Speaker 1: could be both of those things simultaneously. Marien, I think
1:16:52
Speaker 1: that it would It's not out of the realm of possibility,
1:16:56
Speaker 1: like what you were mentioning before that you were kind of,
1:17:00
Speaker 1: you know, looked at your whole life like they were
1:17:03
Speaker 1: keeping track of what.
1:17:05
Speaker 2: You already told me, where you were.
1:17:06
Speaker 1: Going, what was going on in your life, you know,
1:17:10
Speaker 1: and blinking Arno's name right now. But there's been several
1:17:16
Speaker 1: people that have made, you know, similar comments to that
1:17:21
Speaker 1: that they had found out that they had been you know,
1:17:24
Speaker 1: kind of surveiled. Yeah, their whole life. Do you want
1:17:28
Speaker 1: to see my UFO video? Yes? Okay, So this was
1:17:33
Speaker 1: filmed in the backyard of a house in Colorado through
1:17:38
Speaker 1: military grade night vision goggles. I've showed this on the
1:17:41
Speaker 1: show a couple of times, but this is real footage.
1:17:47
Speaker 1: I've seen it as I'm recording it, and.
1:17:52
Speaker 2: Well that's in there with kind of the dim outline
1:17:55
Speaker 2: of light.
1:17:57
Speaker 1: Yep, it's a boomerang, so flying giant boomerang or flying backwards. Ol.
1:18:06
Speaker 2: That's cool. And I'll bet let me ask you this.
1:18:11
Speaker 2: Were you able to see it with you said you
1:18:13
Speaker 2: did this through night vision goggles. Were you able to
1:18:15
Speaker 2: see it with the naked eye?
1:18:18
Speaker 1: I wasn't able. I didn't want to put the night
1:18:19
Speaker 1: vision goggles down because they were being it was being
1:18:22
Speaker 1: filmed through the night vision.
1:18:24
Speaker 2: Go oh, I see okay, because I was just going
1:18:26
Speaker 2: to ask if you were able to see more details
1:18:29
Speaker 2: more clearly than the video captured. Some people say that
1:18:33
Speaker 2: these things have a way of kind of jamming the
1:18:37
Speaker 2: signal or murking up the visual so they can't be
1:18:42
Speaker 2: recorded easily.
1:18:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really strange. And I seen it, and
1:18:47
Speaker 1: I was tracking it, and I was telling everybody about it,
1:18:50
Speaker 1: and they had looked but they didn't see anything in
1:18:53
Speaker 1: the sky with their naked eye. But I wasn't about
1:18:55
Speaker 1: to put down the night vision goggles to.
1:18:58
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because you're seeing it that way, right.
1:19:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've shown out a few times and it seems
1:19:04
Speaker 1: like nobody cares. But I think that it was a.
1:19:07
Speaker 2: That's really cool. I'll send you a copy of mine
1:19:11
Speaker 2: you can you can take a look at it. I
1:19:13
Speaker 2: also I have a video on my channel at YouTube,
1:19:16
Speaker 2: Walter Bosley channel that is essentially the presentation I gave
1:19:21
Speaker 2: it Contact in the Desert in twenty twenty one the
1:19:25
Speaker 2: online conference during all that that quarantine nonsense, and I
1:19:34
Speaker 2: tell you know all the details about it, and I
1:19:37
Speaker 2: even showed the pictures and I think a little snippet
1:19:40
Speaker 2: of the video and that, but yeah, I'll send I'll
1:19:43
Speaker 2: send you a link to that and you can you
1:19:46
Speaker 2: can see that. But that's a cool video that you
1:19:48
Speaker 2: got there. That's and there were no flashing lights on it.
1:19:53
Speaker 2: No FAA required marker lights or anything.
1:19:58
Speaker 1: No flashing lights on it, didn't. It just cruises through
1:20:01
Speaker 1: the sky. It's not a bird. It's not flapping. There's
1:20:04
Speaker 1: nothing flapping on it. Well, I don't know, I don't
1:20:08
Speaker 1: know what it is. I've had it for I don't
1:20:10
Speaker 1: know three years now. But uh, yeah, So to kind
1:20:17
Speaker 1: of wrap up our topic here, and I know that
1:20:21
Speaker 1: it's a loaded question, but what do you personally believe
1:20:27
Speaker 1: all the things that we've listened to today, out of
1:20:29
Speaker 1: all the things that we've talked about, I think that
1:20:32
Speaker 1: it's with a without a shadow of a doubt, this
1:20:35
Speaker 1: was definitely happening in public schools. Would you agree with that?
1:20:39
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this was an assessment by somebody in the
1:20:44
Speaker 2: National Defense intelligence community, to put it simply.
1:20:49
Speaker 1: And what do you believe? We heard a few theories there, aliens,
1:20:53
Speaker 1: remote viewing, psychics, the esp dreams, We talked about, you know,
1:21:00
Speaker 1: intelligence getting people ready for the military or a certain
1:21:05
Speaker 1: career path that they want to shepherd them into. What
1:21:08
Speaker 1: do you believe was the purpose? As a former FBI
1:21:14
Speaker 1: agent and a former Air Force special investigator, what do
1:21:19
Speaker 1: you believe that these programs were designed for?
1:21:23
Speaker 2: I in my particular case, from my perspective, I think
1:21:27
Speaker 2: it had everything to do with why my uncle developed
1:21:31
Speaker 2: me and recruited me into what he did. You have
1:21:34
Speaker 2: to remember, I'm still I think I mentioned this year before.
1:21:37
Speaker 2: I'm still not sure exactly what he got me involved
1:21:42
Speaker 2: with because I was while I was working for the FBI,
1:21:47
Speaker 2: I was still you know, off duty. On a particular
1:21:51
Speaker 2: day each week, I would call him. Now this is
1:21:55
Speaker 2: before cell phones. It was on a payphone most of
1:21:57
Speaker 2: the time. But I was supposed to go call him
1:21:59
Speaker 2: and report in and you know, we at and talk,
1:22:02
Speaker 2: and then I would go see him. And this was
1:22:05
Speaker 2: outside of my FBI duties. And then and then when
1:22:10
Speaker 2: I was in the Air Force, the same thing. When
1:22:12
Speaker 2: I was an officer training school. He would show up
1:22:15
Speaker 2: on base and because I'd called him on the phone,
1:22:20
Speaker 2: he'd say be over at the BX, I'll be there,
1:22:23
Speaker 2: and I would have private meetings with him and technically
1:22:26
Speaker 2: I was a trainee and I didn't have privileges to
1:22:29
Speaker 2: go to the BX and meet him in his truck
1:22:33
Speaker 2: and have these conversations. I was technically not allowed, not
1:22:36
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing that, but he told me to
1:22:39
Speaker 2: do it, and I never got in trouble for it.
1:22:42
Speaker 2: But he would fill me in on people in my
1:22:44
Speaker 2: training group, who to watch out for, who to trust,
1:22:48
Speaker 2: you know, things like that. And then even after I
1:22:51
Speaker 2: left the Air Force, who I was working for after that,
1:22:53
Speaker 2: you know, he had even more involvement with that. So
1:22:56
Speaker 2: basically what I'm saying is is all through those years,
1:23:00
Speaker 2: I was essentially reporting to him, no matter who I
1:23:04
Speaker 2: worked for. You know, I had my you know, my
1:23:09
Speaker 2: duties you know in the duty day as an agent
1:23:11
Speaker 2: or as a FBI counterintelligence operative, you know, working for
1:23:16
Speaker 2: my supervisors and stuff like that, but it was understood
1:23:20
Speaker 2: that I was reporting to him and I was being
1:23:25
Speaker 2: developed and trained to be part of something else that
1:23:29
Speaker 2: was extracurricular to FBI, Air Force and the other guys
1:23:34
Speaker 2: I worked for. So and I still that was never
1:23:39
Speaker 2: revealed because he he had a medical issue, a stroke,
1:23:45
Speaker 2: had to retire earlier than expected, and that kind of
1:23:48
Speaker 2: you know, messed up his mentorship, you know, so you know,
1:23:55
Speaker 2: I never he never finally told me, but remember this
1:23:59
Speaker 2: is the guy that taught me how to do necromancy
1:24:03
Speaker 2: and encouraged all this psych of stuff. And he told
1:24:06
Speaker 2: me all along, he says, there are people expecting you
1:24:08
Speaker 2: to know how to do this, you know, flat out
1:24:13
Speaker 2: there's people expecting you to know how to do this.
1:24:16
Speaker 2: And he even told me that. He said, I'm your mentor,
1:24:20
Speaker 2: but you have a sponsor. And he named my sponsor.
1:24:23
Speaker 2: My sponsor was years ago, a very well known congressman,
1:24:28
Speaker 2: a United States senator. Yeah, I've never revealed that name,
1:24:35
Speaker 2: but if I'll tell you off air and you'll know
1:24:39
Speaker 2: the name. And I said to him, I go, really,
1:24:42
Speaker 2: that guy knows I exist. And he kind of laughed.
1:24:44
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, you know, he's not always happy about
1:24:46
Speaker 2: it when you step on your dick, as they used
1:24:49
Speaker 2: to say. Laugh. But he said, I'm your mentor, he's
1:24:52
Speaker 2: your sponsor. And I said, sponsor into what. You don't
1:24:55
Speaker 2: need to know that yet. So you know, when he
1:25:00
Speaker 2: passed away, I you know, left, it was there was
1:25:03
Speaker 2: kind of there's still some MRK and mystery there. I
1:25:06
Speaker 2: have my ideas based on research and things. But that's
1:25:11
Speaker 2: a for what it's worth thing Anyway, I digress, Sorry
1:25:24
Speaker 2: I was muted. I think that a lot of the
1:25:27
Speaker 2: stuff is connected. It's obviously connected. There's a lot of
1:25:32
Speaker 2: things there to dive into, and I'm going to get
1:25:35
Speaker 2: into it in this new documentary. I'm adding a lot
1:25:38
Speaker 2: of the stuff in there, and I think it's going
1:25:40
Speaker 2: to be a really big eye opener and a big
1:25:42
Speaker 2: shock or to a lot of people. Walter, thanks so
1:25:45
Speaker 2: much for coming on, brother, I really appreciate it. Can
1:25:47
Speaker 2: you let people know where to find you online? I
1:25:50
Speaker 2: have your website linked in the description of the video,
1:25:54
Speaker 2: so anybody they can find a lot of your stuff
1:25:58
Speaker 2: through your website, right yeah, yeah, Walter Bossley dot com.
1:26:01
Speaker 2: That's where you go to get my books. Also, we
1:26:05
Speaker 2: just we're having an event, big fun, interesting event in
1:26:11
Speaker 2: Big Bear, California, November, and you can find the links
1:26:15
Speaker 2: and the description of that at Walterbossley dot com. But
1:26:20
Speaker 2: I can also be found at the Walter Bossley channel
1:26:23
Speaker 2: at YouTube.
1:26:25
Speaker 1: Awesome. Thanks everyone in the chat, really appreciate you. All
1:26:28
Speaker 1: of my links are also in the description and also
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