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S02Ep25 - Party and Bullshit w The Boys · The Bull Brotherhood

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  So when we're talking about a bull, there's a
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  difference between a bull or somebody who picked
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  up the basketball and they've been playing in
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  elementary school and that person who's at a
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  collegiate level and a person who's at a pro
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  level. Oftentimes couples get upset when a guy
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  who they wanted to be who they hope to be at
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  a pro level, is at an elementary school level,
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  but they're all the size there. This bully was
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  22. He barely, he just got his first car. He
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  only had two girlfriends. The fuck you know about
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  dealing with a grown woman and her spouse? What?
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  That expectation that couples have, and then
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  they'll turn around and go, these boys ain't
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  shit. Well, I mean, Junior don't know what he's
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  doing. This podcast contains explicit adult content,
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  mature themes, and candid conversations about
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  comfortable with Frank talk about sex, kink,
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  dominance, or emotional power, this probably
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  isn't the show for you. But if you're ready to
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  step into your masculine edge and embrace a lifestyle
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  that demands mastery, welcome to the Brotherhood.
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  and the art of dominance in ethical non -monogamy.
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  This is not your average lifestyle podcast. This
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  is for men who lead, men who master, and men
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  who leave a lasting impression. If you're here,
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  you're not just curious. You're ready to elevate.
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  So to all the bulls, hot wives, stags, and open
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  -minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Ladies
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  and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another
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  informative episode of the Bull Brotherhood podcast.
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  I'm one half of your podcast team tonight, Brian
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  Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma Male, the lone wolf
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  himself. And I'm coming at you with three of
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  the originators of the Bull Brotherhood tonight,
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  along with another gentleman, which has come
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  to us from the great state of Colorado. who I
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  think a whole lot of, and I think the members
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  of the Brotherhood are going to enjoy talking
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  to tonight. But anyway, I'm going to kick it
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  off by saying what's up to my nephew. You know
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  him, ladies and gentlemen, as Socrates. What's
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  up, dawg? What's good? Hey, go Niners tonight,
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  y 'all. They playing the Rams. Go Niners in Australia.
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  All right, now. And coming to us from down in
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  Tampa, Florida, he is the, to me, he's the voice.
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  He makes a certain hotel takeover go, all right?
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  And he's the leader of that Velvet Curtain, our
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  boy Dimitri. What's up? Hey, what's going on,
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  my brothers? Glad to be here finally again. Let's
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  make it happen. Yes, sir. And coming at us from.
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  The ATL, ladies and gentlemen, and I'll put emphasis
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  on ladies. It is always a pleasure when I have
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  my dog from the Old Faces podcast, our dog, our
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  brother from another mother, Mr. Mocha, a .k
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  .a. Dark Gable. What's up, dog? What's going
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  on, fellas? Always good to be on. Feels like
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  it's been a long time, so thank you for inviting
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  me on. I know, right? Motherfucker looking like
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  Mr. Damn Olympia on the down. or these damn kicks
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  on fucking Instagram. Y 'all check it out. Check
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  it out. I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to
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  tell you. The motherfucker made me go to the
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  gym twice today. Shit. And last but not least,
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  go ahead. No, I said, look, man, I'm fighting
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  his old age. I got to do what I can do. He's
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  sitting there talking about some old damn age.
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  Talking to somebody that's damn near 60. Hey,
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  look. Hey, you over there beating up old age,
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  too. I see how you be getting it in in the gym.
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  So, hey, you know what I'm talking about. Brother,
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  I'm trying to tell you, bro. Like Daddy said,
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  keep having birthdays, baby. I'm trying to tell
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  you. I'm trying to tell you. All right? And,
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  ladies and gentlemen, finally, coming at us from
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  the great state of Colorado, as I said before.
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  He's been in this game as a bull and as a facilitator,
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  educator, and cultivator. I'm going to say that
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  once again because that shit sounded good. Facilitator,
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  educator, and cultivator. He's been in this game
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  for about 20 -plus years, y 'all. Again, coming
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  at us from the great state of Colorado, I'm giving
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  you Trey War. What's up, brother? Hey, thank
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  you, gentlemen, for having me. I've been looking
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  forward to this for a hot minute, and that's
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  an understatement. I'm glad to be here. Well,
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  it is a pleasure for you to be on the podcast,
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  right? And as I told you before, you know, before
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  we started, you got the four of us here tonight,
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  and we are very, very happy to have Demetri and
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  Mocha here because these guys are going to –
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  they are the creme de la creme, right, along
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  with Socrates. You know, we wish we had everybody
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  here to just talk to you one time, but, I mean,
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  like I said. Whenever we get a chance to get
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  together and just chop it up as brothers, like
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  I said, fellowship, you know, it's a beautiful
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  thing. It really is a special thing. So I'm,
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  I mean, I'm, I'm open to the, I'm open to like
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  whatever topic wants to be discussed first tonight.
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  You know what I mean? So I'm, it's, it's open
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  form. Somebody, somebody get it going. Well,
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  I'll kick in here and say. I'd like to just hear
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  from everybody, like, what's up with y 'all?
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  Like, what's going on in life right now? You
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  know, every one of us has big things, you know,
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  that we're trying to do in this community. And,
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  you know, we love this community. We love lifestyle.
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  We love women. We love dating and marriage. And,
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  you know, we take it on. And so, you know, like,
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  I don't know, start with D. Man, what you up
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  to that you're excited about, Dimitri? Like,
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  that's going on right now in your life. You know,
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  whether it's dreams of what you're doing in the
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  future or whatever you're doing right now. Oh,
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  well, as you know, as I said before, let me try
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  this, baby. Well, you remember, like I said,
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  I sat at a table set for six and I was the only
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  one there for a long time. And I'm going to have
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  a full table. And I said, you know what? I think
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  we have to add some more cheers, you know. And
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  again, to train more, welcome my brother. But
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  right now, I appreciate you more, my brother.
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  I want to, right now I'm all about my brand,
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  where I'm at, especially with the Splash, the
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  Splash family and stuff. It's continued to grow.
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  But right now, I try to focus more on the individual
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  aspects of my brothers to try to get them on
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  the same, you know, path, I would say. I'm still,
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  I guess, I'll put myself in the back burner and
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  just try to keep pushing and moving my brothers.
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  That's pretty much where my direction has been
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  for the past year, maybe two years now, because
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  I know what... But we all know what success feels
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  like. And I don't want us to be at that level
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  of success and just be stuck in that plateau.
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  I want us to continue to grow, excel by all measures
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  and measures. And that's just key to add on to
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  the plate. As well as, like I said, Trayvon,
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  I heard great things about you myself, my brother.
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  And again, welcome. And we want to add it to
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  that whole list. of living our fellow brothers.
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  Well, that's been my journey right now. It's
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  continued, it's constantly continued to live
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  our fellow brothers up, to represent the cause
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  and the truth and the passion. It's just that
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  plain and simple. I'm still moving in the lifestyle
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  as well as the vanilla world for the cause of
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  the brotherhood. That's about it for right now.
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  Sounds good. Sounds good. Sounds good. Hell,
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  I'll go ahead and talk now. Y 'all know me, brothers.
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  I'm always blessed but never stressed. You know
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  that I am twice retired but still working. I
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  can't send my ass home. I did have a setback.
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  I did have a setback, but God has brought me
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  through that. Her light is shining bright inside
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  of me. And it's definitely making me see things
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  in a different light, you know? And I have moved
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  forward. You guys hear me always talk about that
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  word evolution, evolution, evolution. And I know
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  I can speak from all of you guys in that we have
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  been in this game for a long time, all right?
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  A long time. I remember at Splash Atlanta, we
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  were adding up the years. God damn, we've been
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  in this game a long time. We've been in this
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  game a long time, man. And I know each of us
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  has our own set of goals that we want to accomplish
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  individually. I know the soccer teams and I have
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  something that we want to accomplish. I know,
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  Mocha, you getting back into it, the things you
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  want to accomplish. And I know, Dimitri, your
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  dream is to see all of us. be successful. And
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  that's, I'm, I'm with Dimitri. I'm with Dimitri
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  on that too. I want us as a, as a brotherhood
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  to eventually come together and take this, um,
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  take this brotherhood and take these parties
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  and events to another level. I really, I think,
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  I think if we all eventually could come together,
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  put our thinking caps on and, and, and, and,
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  you know, sit down and have a business plan on
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  how to come up with our version of, say, a big
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  -time event. I know that shit would be successful,
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  y 'all. I really do. I know it would be successful.
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  Each one of us knows a lot of people in different
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  spectrums, you know? Demetri, you probably know
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  more than anybody, along with you, Mocha, because
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  you guys have been in the Splash Mocha realm
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  for so long. But I do think, though, if we can
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  sit down and actually have that conversation
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  of where we all could come together at one time
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  and create a big event, and then we can sit down
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  and help each other, you know, take our individual
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  thoughts and bring it and, you know, make that
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  work. I think we can be highly fucking successful
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  around here. And I'm talking about blow people
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  out of the water, you know. i watched atlanta
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  was big for me when the six of us were up there
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  on that stage the way the people were looking
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  at us when we were walking around and stuff and
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  they knew that they're like okay those are the
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  guys right there that's the brotherhood you know
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  um i talk about aura i talk about charisma we
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  stand out i ain't trying ladies and gentlemen
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  i'm not trying to sound conceited right now or
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  cocky or anything like that but you know she's
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  my mother god rest her soul she said honey it's
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  not cocky she's like you're just being confident
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  and i know the six of us are very very confident
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  and we're very very good at what we do as bulls
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  as men as quality gentlemen so i know if we can
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  sit down and come together and you know finalize
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  one huge event with us together and then like
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  i said break down into the into the groups and
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  help each other with our individual goals It'd
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  be on. It'd be on. All right. I know it would.
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  So that's why I'm thinking that's, that's, that's
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  how I'm thinking right now. And also bringing
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  in quality gentlemen like Trey war, you know,
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  who has his own mindset on how I'm, I mean, hell
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  he, he even calls himself gentlemen, a Zeta male.
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  Now, if y 'all know about the male hierarchy,
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  yes, that does exist. That does exist. Matter
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  of fact, a zeta and a sigma are very, very similar.
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  But if a sigma conforms, as I have conformed,
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  a zeta just don't give a fuck. But I'm going
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  to let Mr. Trey Ward take that and go with it.
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  All right. Hold on, hold on. Before it sounds
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  all disrespectful, I'm still with the program.
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  I just, you know, there's the lone wolf and there's
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  the lone, lone wolf. I've been operating like
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  that for a long time. But, you know, first, before
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  I say anything, I want to give all of you all
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  your flowers because the reason why I'm here
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  is because I sought you out. When I decided to
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  get back in the game after a hiatus. i looked
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  around to see who was doing what i want to do
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  in the game and i'll explain how i came to what
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  i want to do and what i came from so you can
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  understand the significance of what you you gentlemen
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  mean to me when i when i finally discovered you
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  did my research on you and decided to try to
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  find a way to get in contact so i come from People
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  call it the Midwest, but technically it's the
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  South. I come from the last slave state that
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  was created in the Union, Missouri. And Missouri
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  borders Illinois. And when I was growing up...
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  I spent a lot of time in St. Louis and some college
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  towns, and I saw a lot of things happening. This
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  was in the late 80s into the early 90s when I
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  was coming of age. And experiences that I had
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  showed me what was going on, not just in the
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  lifestyle, but specifically when it came to the
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  commodification and fetishization of black men.
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  Before those were words, I was experiencing it
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  at a young age. the things that i was i was always
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  on the edge of activities um in my early 20s
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  um i stumbled into or actually i was recruited
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  into becoming an entertainer at an adult theater
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  and by an adult theater i truly mean massive
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  two -story video screens showing movies when
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  that movie eyes wide shut came out eyes wide
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  shut the that went on in that movie was similar
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  to what i was doing in this club and getting
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  paid to do it and it went into me working with
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  affluent couples and and seducing women at the
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  request of their husbands and things like that
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  before i knew what it was before i knew what
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  it was called i was involved in it and then i
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  went out to the west coast la hollywood and was
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  involved on the fringe of the adult video business
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  out there and i saw how the lifestyle went out
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  out there and then i came to colorado and because
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  of the connections of the things that i was involved
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  in i was hooked up with a group of brothers called
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  the horsemen and it was the second version of
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  the horseman the first version of the horseman
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  ended in an actual uh pretty prolific scandal
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  that reached the news but the second iteration
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  you know at the time they called us a gangbang
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  crew but it was a crew of brothers that were
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  sought after for the express purpose of entertaining
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  affluent wives who wanted to get blacked before
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  it was being called blacked and i didn't like
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  how it operated so i got out quick i got my code
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  name but i got out and the entire time in all
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  three of these these experiences i kept thinking
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  to myself there's got to be a better way to do
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  this there's got to be a way to do this with
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  sophistication with class with what's a with
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  a vibe that speaks to our intellect of our ingenuity
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  of of how elite we can be and as i kept waiting
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  to find it i just sat on the back burner because
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  if it wasn't at the level that i wanted to be
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  at i wasn't going to be there and then i'm trying
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  to remember how i first came across you brothers
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  but as soon as i heard a splash mocha and oh
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  that's what it was michael c he's an anklets
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  i came across the podcast but he still hadn't
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  talked about the brotherhood yet and then um
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  there's a brother who should not be named but
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  a brother that has a podcast out of out of uh
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  i think he's in florida and in vegas i didn't
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  like his vibe i didn't want anything to do with
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  what he was doing he was he's too much of a salesman
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  but I caught an episode of P's and A's. You guys
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  probably know who I'm talking about. You probably
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  know who I'm talking about. Damn, I'm sorry.
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  I didn't mean to chuckle like that, but damn.
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  I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean to laugh. I'm sorry.
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  I apologize. Keep going. Keep going, man. But
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  anyway. I heard the Sigma male in a conversation
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  with Michael C. And then I heard another episode
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  where Mr. Mocha entered the room. And then I
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  heard another episode where Socrates was involved
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  in pagan. And I started hearing gentlemen that
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  had the mindset I was looking for. And I think
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  I told Socrates about this originally. When I
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  heard Brian Morgan's story, I was like, damn,
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  I thought I was the only one that went through
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  that. I thought I was the only one that had that
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  experience. And then I hear Michael C's story,
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  and I'm like, wait, hold up. I've had part of
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  that experience too. Wait. And the more I heard
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  of you brothers, the more I realized there are
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  other men out there moving like I want to move.
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  I must be in their orbit. I have to connect with
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  them because that's where I belong. I don't need
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  to be doing this all by myself because I want
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  to bring, Colorado is prime for what you brothers
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  are doing, but ain't nobody doing it right or
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  nobody's doing it anymore. And so I thought,
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  if I want to go fast, I can do it myself. If
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  I want to go far. I can connect with some like
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  -minded brothers and we can build something long
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  -lasting. So that's why I'm here. I have to say
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  this. I always call Colorado the interracial
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  capital of the United States. I always refer
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  to that state. People sleep on the state of Colorado.
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  I'm telling you, it is full of hot wives. It
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  is full of damn real cuckold couples. And they
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  do not play. When they see brown skin, dark skin,
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  light skin, don't make no damn difference. As
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  long as that brother knows what he's talking
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  about, he's genuine, he's upscale, you can have
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  a ball. I was at Fort Carson for a little bit,
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  so I know what the fuck I'm talking about. Oh,
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  my goodness. But, yeah, I'm going to stop on
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  that one. I started sweating. Gable, Gable, where
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  you at? I'm here, man. I'm here. I'm just sitting
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  back and enjoying the show. It's been a minute
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  since I've been on, so I'm just listening, just
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  listening. So how do I answer that question that
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  Socrates asked? What have I been up to? Really
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  just living life, man. I think balance within
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  the lifestyle and within regular life has always
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  been something that I've tried to do. And it's
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  very apparent by the way we are with our podcast.
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  I always put our life into a certain perspective.
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  So, you know, we have periods where we're always
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  in the lifestyle, but we have periods where we're
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  more active than other times based upon family,
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  based upon work, based upon everything that's
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  happening. And as a couple, we value balance
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  more than anything. So it's, you know, it's just
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  the living life, man. And I mean, in a good way,
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  not in a stressful way, but just, Really enjoying
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  just doing what we do. Nothing extreme, nothing
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  crazy, but we've been having a good time. We
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  enjoy each other, but we also have been, during
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  the summertime, we always have more of our kids.
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  Our kids are around more. They're usually either
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  in country or out of school. So during the summertime,
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  a lot of times we just kind of sit back and do
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  the family thing. Now, of course, you know, we
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  always find time to slip out and do what we do.
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  But, you know, we just, as always, you know,
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  been just keeping it balanced, man. Just now
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  that we're back with the house is empty again
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  and, you know, everybody's feeling good. We are
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  trying to expand our horizons. We are constantly
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  trying to grow. And I'm definitely, you know,
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  after 20 plus years in the lifestyle, I feel
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  like I keep growing in the lifestyle. I learn
• 24:02
  a little more every single year. And that concept
• 24:07
  and thought process of anything that is living
• 24:13
  and surviving is growing. And anything that's
• 24:16
  not growing is dying. It's how I live. So in
• 24:21
  the lifestyle, it's just constantly growing.
• 24:24
  And I've been, you know, even, even when you
• 24:27
  don't hear from us or hear about us, believe
• 24:29
  me, we're racking up the experiences. We're racking
• 24:32
  up the good times. And, you know, right now we're
• 24:36
  just, I'm back. I'm ready to get out here and
• 24:39
  talk some shit. It's hang out with the fellas,
• 24:42
  you know, act a fool. So, you know, right now
• 24:45
  I'm just sitting back and enjoying the vibes,
• 24:47
  listening to you guys, you guys talk. You know,
• 24:51
  I'm ready to get in there. You know, Mike ain't
• 24:53
  here, so I ain't got nobody to argue with. You
• 24:55
  know, usually me and Mike, we, you know, I ain't
• 24:59
  got nobody to just launch an attack on, you know
• 25:02
  what I'm saying? So I'm kind of sitting back
• 25:05
  and, you know, I ain't going to attack the new
• 25:07
  guy because, you know, I don't want him to dislike
• 25:08
  me. I got to give him a couple episodes. You
• 25:11
  know what I'm saying? So, you know, when this
• 25:13
  is done, I'm going to have to call Mike and just
• 25:15
  talk shit. I listened to that last episode over,
• 25:21
  was it episode 173 of the Keys and Anklets? I
• 25:24
  listened to you throw rocks at him. So I know
• 25:27
  what I'm getting myself into. I did my research
• 25:29
  on you. Hey, look, anytime we all in the same
• 25:33
  room, I promise you I'm drunk. I promise you.
• 25:37
  By the end of the podcast, I can't even feel
• 25:40
  my feet. You know what I'm saying? Don't hold
• 25:44
  me to nothing that I did. Trey, it's such a beautiful
• 25:50
  thing to be in a room and watch all of these
• 25:54
  guys interact. All right? i just i sit there
• 25:58
  and i i watch them and it's you can feel you
• 26:01
  can feel the love right they can sit there mocha
• 26:04
  and mike can drone on each other all night long
• 26:07
  but you you sit back and you say damn you two
• 26:10
  love each other you know what i mean um i can
• 26:14
  sit i can sit there i can sit there beside uh
• 26:19
  dimitri and we just look at each other grinning
• 26:22
  because we both or, like, saying the same thing
• 26:24
  without saying a fucking word, you know? I mean,
• 26:28
  it's just the way it is. It's just the way it
• 26:30
  is. Socrates over there, he might be fucked up
• 26:35
  probably and shit. Smiling. In the corner, stop.
• 26:42
  Smiling and shit, you know what I mean? But it's
• 26:45
  just a beautiful thing, man. It's a beautiful
• 26:47
  thing. And, of course, I left out, you know,
• 26:50
  our brother out there in California. Exactly.
• 26:55
  Who I just met, you know, for the first time
• 26:58
  in Atlanta. And he was everything that I had
• 27:02
  envisioned. You know, I had spoken to him on
• 27:06
  the phone, but he was every damn thing that I
• 27:08
  envisioned. So believe me, you are surrounded
• 27:11
  by some wonderful gentlemen here. And if I'm
• 27:15
  saying it, if I am saying it, and I know that,
• 27:19
  you know, I grew up not... Not damn caring about
• 27:24
  having a bunch of male friends, really. Cats
• 27:28
  hated on me, and I was like, okay, I'll just
• 27:30
  be by my damn self. And that's the way I was
• 27:33
  until, really until now. You know, I may have
• 27:37
  had some damn acquaintances coming up in the
• 27:39
  Army, but if you were not on that damn level,
• 27:42
  like I rode, then... Hey, it stopped at the gym.
• 27:48
  You know what I mean? We might work out together
• 27:49
  or something, but you ain't down coming into
• 27:51
  this world. So you know what I'm talking about,
• 27:54
  D. You know what I'm talking about. If I can
• 27:59
  pop in on that, I wanted to say something to
• 28:02
  you, brother. And this is, again, leading back
• 28:04
  to why I wanted to connect with you guys. I've
• 28:08
  got, I do not use the word friend lightly. there
• 28:14
  are very very few people that i call friends
• 28:16
  and i have three close friends back home used
• 28:19
  to be four but we lost one of them god rest his
• 28:23
  soul um but even those close friends that grew
• 28:27
  up with me from the 80s there was a part of me
• 28:32
  that i couldn't share with them i took one of
• 28:34
  them i took one of them to a party and it freaked
• 28:37
  him out and so i knew i couldn't share that with
• 28:39
  him And so there was a part of me that I always
• 28:42
  felt that I had to carry alone. That's where
• 28:45
  that lone, lone wolf came from, was feeling like
• 28:49
  even amongst my brothers, there was a part that
• 28:52
  I couldn't share. And then, like I said, to hear
• 28:55
  you all having the conversations that you have,
• 28:57
  the freedom with which you speak, the variations.
• 29:02
  and the deviations in the game that you all experience
• 29:05
  and dabble in and have perfected but you all
• 29:08
  come together and you accept one another you
• 29:10
  champion one another you encourage one another
• 29:13
  i'm like i don't have to be alone i ain't got
• 29:18
  to be out here by myself i can connect with some
• 29:21
  people and be the full spectrum of who i am i
• 29:24
  can be the anime nerd i can be the techie i can
• 29:28
  be the two -way gunsmith within the same group.
• 29:32
  So I'm excited. Hey, we're about to call him
• 29:35
  Daniel Moon. Hey, brother, I'm half a survivalist
• 29:41
  over here, so I got you back. That's a beautiful
• 29:44
  thing. I like that. I like that. I definitely
• 29:47
  like that. I'll give you this, of course, a full
• 29:53
  one. We have a conversation with that brother.
• 29:58
  Get yourself a thesaurus and a dictionary because
• 30:01
  you use a lot of big words. Oh, he is definitely
• 30:07
  deep. He is definitely deep. But here again,
• 30:11
  though, I put Pagan along right there with damn
• 30:14
  Mocha. I mean, Mocha and Mike. I mean, those
• 30:18
  are three deep cats. And, you know, I can just
• 30:23
  put out a big word. Yeah, yeah, you know what
• 30:26
  I mean? But I can sit back and listen to the
• 30:28
  three of you guys all night long. I really can.
• 30:31
  And just chime in when I hear something that,
• 30:34
  like, makes the sigma come out of me, and I just
• 30:37
  chime in. But, yeah, I can do that, though. And
• 30:41
  let me ask a question, man, to all the brothers
• 30:43
  right quick, all right? And let me see if I can
• 30:47
  get this question right. What do you see that's
• 30:51
  going on in the game right now? What, as far
• 30:56
  as like bulls, what do you see in the game that
• 31:00
  is like turning you off? And what do you see
• 31:04
  amongst these bulls that's like a positive for
• 31:08
  you guys? And I know I'm probably aiming at like
• 31:11
  maybe Dimitri more because you've been to all
• 31:13
  the splashes. And I know you attend a lot of
• 31:16
  events. You know, Mocha, I know you said you've
• 31:20
  been out. for a little while but still though
• 31:22
  anybody can chime in from going to splash and
• 31:24
  stuff like that what how are you like grading
• 31:28
  these so -called brothers that are you know that
• 31:32
  are bulls now um well i would say a big red flag
• 31:41
  to me a lot of guys are attaching your tool to
• 31:50
  the term bull, and they think this is all that
• 31:54
  matters. Or they have minimal education and logic
• 32:01
  about being a bull. And I say this in a seminar,
• 32:06
  I say the problem I see is the fact that a lot
• 32:11
  of these guys are, they have the book, they got
• 32:14
  the book of knowledge. But what they do is they
• 32:17
  read the title and they read the ending. They
• 32:19
  know there's just a purpose in the middle. And
• 32:21
  they create their own version. It's very, very
• 32:27
  fucking destructive because when these couples
• 32:30
  get with that guy for a limited amount of time
• 32:32
  and then she get with a guy of a real quality
• 32:35
  bull and now you have to reprogram her. You got
• 32:39
  to think about... But it's just a discussion
• 32:42
  of her path and journey with this guy or performer,
• 32:45
  I'm going to call him, and how many more people
• 32:47
  that he led down that path. So it's like a lot
• 32:50
  of companies, they come into Splash to be the
• 32:55
  frag. They want to really take the time and learn,
• 33:00
  not just learn, though. They want to have that
• 33:06
  moment. They want to have that experience with
• 33:08
  a quality book. And also, I flip it back on them
• 33:12
  too. Like, hey, look, you also got to do your
• 33:15
  homework. You can't just settle for what you
• 33:17
  see. You can't, you know. You guys are letting
• 33:21
  social media, you're letting porn, you're letting
• 33:25
  all this bullshit out here warp your mind and
• 33:28
  your mental on what a bull really is. And these
• 33:32
  guys are trying to come into the organic lifestyle
• 33:34
  and display that pattern. as well as that type
• 33:40
  of conversation. I call it jibber -jabber because,
• 33:44
  you know, once these guys get before us, they
• 33:46
  start talking, you know, they make an ass out
• 33:48
  of themselves because they don't know what the
• 33:50
  fuck they're talking about. They can't have no
• 33:52
  conversation of logic, reason, or silver. And
• 33:56
  that's a big, big red flag. A lot of guys don't
• 34:00
  have the experience or the education about being
• 34:03
  a bull. They're just here to fuck. And it's a
• 34:07
  very, very selfish pattern. Now, what I give
• 34:13
  my honest prayers to is you have a certain amount
• 34:15
  of brothers that's out there that want to learn.
• 34:21
  They ask. And I think that's a beautiful thing
• 34:24
  to see a few guys come to me and they say, hey,
• 34:27
  Dimitri. And when I think this is what, in quotes,
• 34:31
  hey, Dimitri, take me to be my mentor. And then
• 34:34
  I go, well, I would do even better. I have mentors.
• 34:38
  My brothers are also my mentors. I say, now they
• 34:42
  all have podcasts and platforms that you can
• 34:47
  learn from. Let me turn you on to them. And then
• 34:51
  that's when I start sharing you guys' platform.
• 34:53
  Because I don't want to be a Messiah or a person
• 34:57
  who says that my experience would be gospel for
• 35:00
  them. I think with the minds of all six of us.
• 35:04
  That's a lot of knowledge that these guys would
• 35:06
  absorb if they wouldn't sit down and take the
• 35:08
  time to do it. And then when they apply that
• 35:10
  to real life experiences and realize that they're
• 35:13
  actually creating experiences, the outcome would
• 35:17
  be a plus. But trust me, guys, it's really, really
• 35:21
  hard. It's very, very toxic because it's so easy
• 35:25
  for many, many people to get out of here and
• 35:27
  just do fucked up shit because they just don't
• 35:30
  care. They don't care. and there's a lot of guys
• 35:33
  like this like i said pretend to be a bull they
• 35:38
  don't care and you got many guys doing that but
• 35:42
  you got that one guy that does care they're trying
• 35:44
  to fix what these guys up it's tiresome but i'm
• 35:47
  not stopping and i'm not giving up i'm going
• 35:49
  to continue to do that that's like i said that's
• 35:52
  all called that's our journey so those are my
• 35:57
  red and green flags right there Good deal, good
• 36:02
  deal. Who else? Well, I'll say I've been out
• 36:11
  for a minute, and I stayed out because of what
• 36:15
  I've seen for a long time. And what I saw is
• 36:18
  so many young men see this as a numbers game.
• 36:23
  They just try to wrap up matches on their belt,
• 36:25
  and they don't follow the campfire rule. Leave
• 36:29
  it better than you found it. They're literally
• 36:33
  all over the place and leaving broken marriages
• 36:36
  and abused women in their wake. But one of the
• 36:41
  biggest things for me was when I got out, the
• 36:46
  reason why I got out was they had such low opinion
• 36:51
  of black bulls. We were only worth the size of
• 36:57
  what was between our legs. And one was as good
• 37:00
  as another. I'll tell you a story about something
• 37:02
  that happened to me and the reason why I quit
• 37:05
  working at the club and quit working with the
• 37:07
  couple that I've been working with. And it was
• 37:09
  because I decided that I was going to kick it
• 37:13
  up a notch and get into adult film. And I realized,
• 37:17
  for me, I'm not a performer. I can perform, but
• 37:21
  I'm not a performer. I needed a connection. I
• 37:25
  needed to feel something with the person I was
• 37:28
  with. Otherwise, it wasn't going to work. And
• 37:31
  in the film industry, that ain't it. You show
• 37:33
  up, you do your job, you get out. They don't
• 37:35
  care if you like each other. But I decided I
• 37:40
  was going to take a break because I needed to
• 37:41
  reset my mind. And my main chick that I was dating
• 37:45
  at the time, she was trying to earn a living
• 37:47
  as a dancer. and in the club and doing other
• 37:51
  things. And so me taking a break, I was impacting
• 37:54
  her wallet. And I didn't know, but behind my
• 37:57
  back, she started going to the club. My club
• 38:00
  was another dude. And it took me two weeks to
• 38:05
  get my head right. I show back up at the club
• 38:07
  solo one night. And one of my couples, one of
• 38:10
  my regulars, the wife says to me, oh my God,
• 38:13
  last weekend was such a blast. You were amazing.
• 38:15
  And I'm like, what you mean? And she goes, you
• 38:20
  remember? You and your girl, you were here last
• 38:22
  weekend. I'm like, oh, wasn't? And I decided,
• 38:26
  hold on, hold on. Let me play along and see if
• 38:28
  I get more information. I go, oh, I forgot, I
• 38:30
  forgot. Was I wearing glasses? She goes, yeah.
• 38:32
  I knew exactly the dude that my girl went there
• 38:35
  with. And the fact that these couples who I thought
• 38:38
  I had a connection with, who I thought I was
• 38:40
  bonding with, I cultivated something with. The
• 38:43
  fact that they couldn't recognize me from another
• 38:45
  dude. That told me everything I needed to know.
• 38:49
  And I quit the game right then and there. You're
• 38:51
  not going to break me. You're not going to break
• 38:53
  my spirit. But now with the way things have grown,
• 39:00
  and this is before Splash Smoker existed. This
• 39:05
  is before I heard about Bliss Cruise and some
• 39:08
  other things that I'm going to be doing some
• 39:10
  more research and attendance on. I didn't know.
• 39:14
  that there were some people out there trying
• 39:16
  to represent the game properly, trying to cultivate
• 39:21
  a level and ethic, a principled approach to it,
• 39:28
  not just laying good wood. but building strong
• 39:32
  foundations relationships leaving couples better
• 39:36
  than you found them so that the next bull that
• 39:38
  comes along isn't having to undo the damage you've
• 39:42
  done they can build upon the foundation that
• 39:44
  you've laid because they never belong to us they
• 39:48
  are with us and under our care for as long as
• 39:51
  they choose to be and then when they decide to
• 39:55
  move on no harm no foul go do your thing i'm
• 39:57
  going to go on to my next one that's how i look
• 39:59
  at it That's dope. It is. Very, very interesting.
• 40:06
  Very, very interesting. Very interesting. Now,
• 40:09
  of course, we leave Mocha and Socrates, who have
• 40:15
  been very, very quiet, ladies and gentlemen,
• 40:17
  right now. I understand, Mocha. I understand,
• 40:20
  Mocha. You soaking it all in. But I ain't crazy.
• 40:24
  I ain't crazy. I know you can take all that shit
• 40:27
  in. All right. I'm going to save you for last.
• 40:30
  I'm going to save you for last. Nephew. Copy
• 40:33
  that. Nephew. Where you at? Where you at? Where
• 40:40
  you at? Yeah, so, man, no, I was, I don't know.
• 40:46
  I'm like, everything that was said has been beautiful.
• 40:50
  That's all. Let me just take a deep breath from.
• 40:54
  I feel like Neil in the matrix. I first get a
• 40:57
  download of every karate martial arts. There
• 41:00
  is. And I'm like, give me a second. Let me, let
• 41:04
  me process that download real quick. It's funny.
• 41:15
  You guys asked that you funny. You asked that.
• 41:17
  I don't think we talked about it, but I've been
• 41:19
  thinking about that a lot. And what was on my
• 41:23
  mind. Was I see a lot of cats out there and I'm
• 41:28
  probably because I'm really coming into my own
• 41:31
  100 percent authentic, authentic life. But I'm
• 41:36
  seeing a lot of cats and this is maybe how I
• 41:40
  used to move. I'm seeing a lot of cats moving
• 41:42
  in the direction of the hot wife or the milf
• 41:46
  or the unicorn as opposed to leading. And I feel
• 41:53
  like. It tied into a lot of what you guys are
• 41:56
  saying because it's like, when I walk in, I want
• 42:00
  to be the authority in the room. I want to be
• 42:03
  leading this event. I want to be at least part
• 42:06
  of why we're having a great time. Now, I could
• 42:10
  be chilling. I could be in the corner stuck,
• 42:12
  but I'm still, that's where my mindset is. I'm
• 42:18
  not saying this is anything wrong. I just don't
• 42:20
  like the way the game is going this way. Where
• 42:22
  it's like they're moving with the wind with everybody
• 42:25
  else. And it's cool until it starts crossing
• 42:30
  into that's not really who you are. And that's
• 42:32
  not really what it's about. And that's not really
• 42:36
  even, you know, what you like. And they're doing
• 42:40
  it just because she's hot and because. I just
• 42:44
  want this opportunity. And my point is not any
• 42:47
  of that. The worst part is, no, I know couples
• 42:51
  on the other side of town or if you'd be willing
• 42:54
  to travel or if you're, you know, would open
• 42:58
  your horizons, there are other couples that you're
• 43:02
  going to love to be with that you being your
• 43:05
  authentic self is going to be great. And so it
• 43:09
  doesn't even need to be that way. And I just
• 43:12
  seen people moving so quickly. You know, one
• 43:15
  minute they're pro something and this is how
• 43:18
  they feel. And the next minute they're on the
• 43:20
  other side of the game, like completely different.
• 43:24
  And it's starting to be obvious to me. And so
• 43:28
  that's just something that's really been bothering
• 43:30
  me. But like I said. There was times when I was
• 43:35
  searching for who am I in this lifestyle? How
• 43:39
  do I want to express myself? Do I want all of
• 43:42
  the nerd and the, you know, Asperger's type stuff
• 43:46
  and, you know, thinking three different processes
• 43:53
  at once and, you know, not noticing that I'm
• 43:56
  appearing like a robot sometimes, you know, like,
• 43:59
  do I want all of that out? I understand. On the,
• 44:07
  what I'm really loving, I think really comes
• 44:10
  from the brotherhood. And that is people are
• 44:13
  starting to email us. You know, people like Trey
• 44:17
  Ward are starting to reach out. There's other
• 44:20
  people that we're really excited about. There's
• 44:22
  some other gentlemen that are going to come out
• 44:24
  on the podcast that we're excited about that
• 44:26
  you guys are going to get to meet later. And
• 44:29
  people are really looking to say, One, like Trey
• 44:35
  Ward was saying, I really want to find gentlemen
• 44:38
  that are doing it how I'm doing it, and if I
• 44:41
  can't, I'm just out the game. Like, that's almost
• 44:45
  like military -grade discipline for it, in my
• 44:50
  opinion. And I'm like, those people are out there.
• 44:56
  That's exciting. And I know it's more than just
• 44:59
  Trey. Well, I know it's more than the people
• 45:02
  that we've had on our podcast. Right. We talked
• 45:04
  to you. The people are out there saying, you
• 45:06
  know what? There's a there's a way to do go about
• 45:09
  doing this. That's authentic. That's taking our
• 45:14
  pain as well as our pleasures and helping other
• 45:18
  people learn from those experiences while we're
• 45:22
  still. evolving and learning and growing and
• 45:26
  calling each other mentor and and and people
• 45:31
  like seeing trey war come in here and his enthusiasm
• 45:36
  i see myself like i i what i feel like one day
• 45:42
  it was like oh this is how mr mocha feels when
• 45:47
  who already don't check his phone And has told
• 45:50
  me, look, I love you so much, nigga. I check
• 45:53
  my phone sometimes. And I'm like, this is how
• 45:56
  he must feel when I'm texting him 25 questions.
• 46:04
  Like, nigga, you better be glad I love you. No,
• 46:09
  but it was exciting at the same time. I was like,
• 46:12
  oh, I remember this enthusiasm. I remember this,
• 46:17
  like, I found my tribe, and I got about 75, but
• 46:21
  I'm only hit you with 10 today, you know, questions
• 46:24
  that I got and perspectives. And he's called
• 46:28
  me and be like, hey, man, I just got to get this
• 46:29
  out of my chest. And, you know, and I'm like,
• 46:33
  talk to me. And I'm like, oh, I get to see myself,
• 46:37
  you know. And these gentlemen are out here, and
• 46:41
  they're. They're hungry to identify with what
• 46:45
  we're talking about. And we're hungry to identify
• 46:48
  with their perspectives, you know. And we're
• 46:52
  also saying there's parts of the game that, you
• 46:56
  know, is why we're in the game to say, you know,
• 46:59
  we at least have a different perspective. If
• 47:02
  it ain't down right now, that's some fucked up
• 47:04
  shit, you know. And so it's so exciting. to see
• 47:12
  it from this perspective, you know? And so thank
• 47:16
  you. All the guys that are reaching out to us,
• 47:18
  I just want to say thank you. You are just as
• 47:23
  much of a pleasure to us as we are to communicate
• 47:28
  with you. You know, I've been on Instagram sometimes
• 47:31
  counseling people, like, down in their marriages
• 47:37
  or in a bull just... you know, walked out of
• 47:41
  the room feeling like a used, like you say, Mandingo.
• 47:47
  This is, you know, I've heard these stories 10,
• 47:50
  15 times now. And I love it. And I'm here to
• 47:55
  help. And we're all here learning our craft and
• 48:01
  improving our craft and evolving and becoming
• 48:05
  better to our community. So I'm just, I love
• 48:08
  it. Hey, not to interrupt you guys, but if you
• 48:16
  guys don't mind, let me talk with your mentor
• 48:17
  to let you know how scary this shit can possibly
• 48:21
  be. And I'm going to just state about the individuals.
• 48:26
  I'm going to start with you, Socrates. The negative
• 48:34
  with these so -called bulls are these guys. I'm
• 48:36
  going to call them performers. I can't call them
• 48:38
  bulls. I'm going to call them performers. These
• 48:42
  are guys or potential people that's going to
• 48:44
  be looking to put your wife. You're not going
• 48:48
  to want that type of brother engaging with your
• 48:51
  wife. Let's go with Mr. Mocha. Mr. Mocha, you
• 48:54
  also host parties, so I'm pretty sure you have
• 48:58
  had the experiences on top of being with your
• 49:01
  wife. You have to make these brothers not only
• 49:04
  just engage with your wife, but also your partners.
• 49:08
  And I've been to your parties, so I know how.
• 49:11
  discipline you are about your rules so i know
• 49:15
  just how hard you go out on these guys before
• 49:18
  they come to your house now and again if the
• 49:23
  guys you've been you pick yes you had great success
• 49:26
  but when those level of guys aren't around the
• 49:29
  world and these people these performers are looking
• 49:33
  at social media for what is your eggs and all
• 49:37
  this other to give them The imagery of what a
• 49:42
  bull is supposed to be is very fucking damaging
• 49:44
  and crazy. Also, with you, B Morgan, think about
• 49:48
  it. You may end up with a couple that's been
• 49:53
  so fucking toxic and fucked up over this past
• 49:55
  guy that you have to defrag and reprogram. And
• 50:01
  it may be many, many more out there like that.
• 50:03
  You know, Trey Warren, you just been backed out
• 50:06
  by a friend that's supposed to be your bull brother.
• 50:11
  If he had the dumbness and the discipline of
• 50:16
  brotherhood and understanding, that bullshit
• 50:18
  would never happen. This is why I say that. That's
• 50:22
  why I say we all have these doors that can fuck
• 50:27
  up the lifestyle for us. And that's why I say
• 50:32
  it's so fucking important that you got to keep
• 50:35
  pushing the truth out there. It's called a good
• 50:38
  truth. Fuck the feelings. Get that truth out.
• 50:41
  Make sure they understand it. They read you loud
• 50:44
  and clear. And if they don't understand it, say
• 50:46
  that shit to them again. Over and over to them.
• 50:48
  That shit is ingrained in their brain. And then
• 50:51
  let them apply that to actions. That's one of
• 50:55
  these big red flags that I'm trying to turn green.
• 50:59
  Didn't mean to go off on a tangent, but that's
• 51:01
  just the method behind the madness of, you know,
• 51:03
  trying to keep these guys on a bull level. But
• 51:07
  it needs to be said, though. Dimitri, that's
• 51:09
  why we're here. It needs to be said. This is
• 51:12
  a podcast where we are uncensored, unedited,
• 51:16
  and damn sure not ashamed to come out and speak
• 51:23
  the damn truth. And to all of the potential brothers
• 51:28
  out there who are calling yourselves bulls right
• 51:33
  now and stuff, it's kind of like what Dimitri
• 51:35
  said. there's one thing to be uh a i won't say
• 51:40
  p but a corn star and there's another thing to
• 51:43
  be a content creator right there are many out
• 51:46
  there doing videos but a lot of them are content
• 51:50
  creators like the ones that are actually doing
• 51:53
  you know the adult films they are the ones who
• 51:57
  they know how to perform uh and here again performing
• 52:01
  is more than just you know, the physical, but
• 52:04
  it's also the emotional and everything that goes
• 52:06
  along with it. So that's why we're here, brothers.
• 52:10
  That's why we're here. Mocha, where you at? Front
• 52:16
  and center. So, you know, I'm taking it all in.
• 52:23
  I'm taking it all in. Yeah, just a lot of stuff.
• 52:26
  No, I'm not going to let that shit out. All right,
• 52:29
  all right. So I will start with... I think it's
• 52:34
  a mindset. And I think that, like, I listen,
• 52:40
  I hear some of the experiences, and I've talked
• 52:44
  to hundreds of fellas in the lifestyle, and it's
• 52:49
  a mindset. I can say I have never, ever, ever
• 52:53
  felt like a piece of meat. I've never had that
• 52:58
  feeling where I just felt like a big black cock.
• 53:02
  I've said this before. If I interact with a couple,
• 53:07
  I can walk into a room as a BBC. But if I leave
• 53:13
  that room after interacting with someone and
• 53:18
  I'm still just a BBC, that's my fault. Full stop.
• 53:26
  That has nothing to do with them. Because...
• 53:30
  When I step into that situation, that's my opportunity
• 53:34
  to show through the way I move, the way I speak,
• 53:38
  the way I fuck, and the way I present myself
• 53:43
  to be more than just that. Now that leads into
• 53:47
  the next thing. It's experience. A lot of people
• 53:52
  tend to forget that when you're dealing with
• 53:56
  multiple people, and multiple personalities,
• 54:00
  you have to learn. If anybody can grab a basketball
• 54:08
  and throw it at a hoop, that doesn't make you
• 54:12
  a professional basketball player. How many times
• 54:15
  do you have to dribble the ball and shoot the
• 54:18
  ball before you make it to the pros? How much
• 54:22
  experience do you have to have exactly? One of
• 54:27
  the things that I've noticed is you have guys
• 54:34
  who've been in a lifestyle for many, many years,
• 54:37
  but within those many years, they lack experiences
• 54:41
  where I can say that I have honestly been with
• 54:47
  hundreds of couples throughout my lifestyle experience.
• 54:53
  That means many different... many different situations,
• 54:59
  many different dynamics. And each time I learned
• 55:04
  a little bit more. As a bull, the bull you are
• 55:08
  today, you are because of every experience you
• 55:13
  had. So as a bull, I am a sum total of every
• 55:17
  couple and every experience that I've had up
• 55:20
  to today. I talk to guys who've been lifestyle
• 55:25
  or lifestyle adjacent for two decades, and they'll
• 55:28
  say, oh, I've been in the lifestyle for 20 years.
• 55:30
  We're no shit. You've been with two couples a
• 55:34
  year for the last two decades, maybe. So in order
• 55:40
  for you to fit into the category as an experienced
• 55:44
  bull, you require experience. You have a lot
• 55:50
  of guys out here who aren't trying to be bad.
• 55:55
  They just don't know. They just haven't been
• 55:59
  in enough situations to know how to flow with
• 56:05
  the situation. Because if I meet 20 different
• 56:09
  couples, that is 40 different people. That is
• 56:17
  a whole lot of different dynamics because every
• 56:20
  single couple you interact with, their relationship
• 56:22
  is as unique as a fingerprint. And trying to
• 56:27
  take what you learned from the last couple and
• 56:29
  make that your exact experience with the next
• 56:32
  couple is going to be failure. But it takes experience.
• 56:36
  And believe me, in all my experience, I got a
• 56:40
  whole lot of embarrassing moments, a whole lot
• 56:41
  of failures, a whole lot of fuck -ups. And at
• 56:44
  the end of the day, When I hear a guy who's a
• 56:48
  quote -unquote dominant bull blaming that experience
• 56:52
  on someone else and you're not dominant because
• 56:54
  you're not taking responsibility for the failure,
• 56:56
  I got to come back and do better. I got to look
• 57:00
  at the game footage, figure out what I did wrong.
• 57:03
  I got to learn how to read her, learn how to
• 57:07
  read him. I have to know who I am as a person.
• 57:12
  There's a lot of bulls out here who are super
• 57:14
  emotional. Super sensitive. Okay, if you're a
• 57:18
  super sensitive person, you're not going to do
• 57:20
  well when you're trying to deal with two different
• 57:22
  personalities. You have a couple who love each
• 57:26
  other, who's been in a relationship, and who's
• 57:28
  trying to navigate letting someone else come
• 57:30
  into their relationship. Because you bring a
• 57:34
  lot of emotion into that relationship, even if
• 57:36
  you aren't emotionally connected. You stepping
• 57:39
  into a relationship, you have completely changed
• 57:41
  the dynamics of a couple's... There's a lot of
• 57:47
  power in that. And that being said, a lot of
• 57:52
  the bulls who are out there aren't bad guys.
• 57:55
  And they're not intentionally fucking up. They
• 57:59
  just don't have enough experience to know what
• 58:02
  to do. You know, you can't, you know, once again,
• 58:09
  just because you know how to make scrambled eggs,
• 58:14
  don't make you a fucking chef. And you got a
• 58:17
  lot of guys running around scrambling eggs, calling
• 58:19
  themselves chefs. And here's the thing, not because
• 58:23
  they don't think they're chefs. They think that
• 58:27
  they are based upon the experience that they
• 58:29
  have. So that don't make them bad guys. So when
• 58:34
  I'm looking at it, it's like, all right, these,
• 58:38
  a lot of guys just lack experiences. and then
• 58:43
  you have the guys who have lots of experiences,
• 58:45
  but they are not flexible. They step into a couple's
• 58:51
  relationship, and they don't know how to pivot.
• 58:54
  They don't know how to call an audible. They
• 58:57
  don't know how to pay attention. They don't know
• 59:01
  how to control their dicks. You know, don't get
• 59:05
  me wrong. I mean, when I first meet a couple,
• 59:10
  Yes, my first goal is to get some sex and offer
• 59:16
  some sex. Okay, but because that's the ultimate
• 59:20
  goal. You're not meeting couples because you
• 59:22
  want to go to Bible study with them. You're not
• 59:24
  meeting couples because you want to wind up in
• 59:27
  a bedroom with your dick out. All right? Now,
• 59:30
  you're building around that. All right, you're
• 59:34
  going to build around that because... it's easy
• 59:37
  to go, ah, you know, it's not just about sex.
• 59:39
  What if you give that lady some trash dick? You
• 59:43
  could be the nicest guy in the world, and she
• 59:46
  ain't inviting you back. Or she's going to invite
• 59:50
  you back reluctantly. Or you fall to the bottom
• 59:53
  of the totem pole. You know what I'm saying?
• 59:55
  And if you got great dick, but you don't have
• 1:00:00
  the ability to read. What's happening in real
• 1:00:04
  time? How many times have you been in a situation
• 1:00:08
  with a couple where you saw the husband come
• 1:00:13
  into pieces and you stopped? All right. There's
• 1:00:18
  a lot of bulls who've never experienced that.
• 1:00:21
  And if you've never experienced that, you don't
• 1:00:23
  got enough experiences. Or you don't pay attention
• 1:00:27
  well enough. How many times as a bull have you...
• 1:00:31
  playing with a woman and you wind up on the phone
• 1:00:33
  with her husband for four hours because he's
• 1:00:36
  breaking down because he didn't expect to see
• 1:00:38
  what he saw. How many times as a bull have you
• 1:00:41
  been in a situation where you've had to have
• 1:00:43
  a conversation with a wife? Hey, I'll tell you
• 1:00:45
  this one time. The next time you try to go around
• 1:00:48
  your husband with me, we're not going to play
• 1:00:51
  anymore. And by the way, I am going to have this
• 1:00:53
  conversation with him. Okay. Most of you guys
• 1:00:59
  I've talked to have never experienced that because
• 1:01:01
  either A, they just said, fuck it, let me use
• 1:01:04
  my dick. B, they're not aware enough of what's
• 1:01:08
  going on around them to see that there's something
• 1:01:10
  going on and being able to salvage the situation
• 1:01:14
  and build that trust. So a major part of it is
• 1:01:18
  going to be knowing yourself, getting more experiences,
• 1:01:23
  getting rid of your ego, asking questions. having
• 1:01:28
  conversations, communicating. And every time
• 1:01:31
  you have a failed situation, don't go soaking
• 1:01:35
  a corner like a little bitch and be like, this
• 1:01:38
  company is trash. No. There's something that
• 1:01:41
  I didn't see. Because if I'm the leader, if I
• 1:01:46
  am the leader, everything is ultimately my fault.
• 1:01:50
  And I'm going to take on that responsibility
• 1:01:51
  and go, you know something? There has to have
• 1:01:54
  been something I could have done better. Whether
• 1:01:56
  that was saying, you know, some guys, you are
• 1:02:00
  really nice people, but you're not. I don't think
• 1:02:02
  we have good chemistry together. And when they
• 1:02:04
  go, no, no, we do. Yeah, no offense. Thank you
• 1:02:07
  very much. But, you know, maybe, and I've done
• 1:02:10
  this so many times, you guys aren't ready yet.
• 1:02:14
  I would let you get a few more experiences under
• 1:02:16
  your belt because I don't have the ability to
• 1:02:21
  be what you need me to be. When we're talking
• 1:02:25
  about a bull, there's a difference between a
• 1:02:30
  bull or somebody who picked up the basketball
• 1:02:34
  and they've been playing in elementary school
• 1:02:38
  and that person who's at a collegiate level and
• 1:02:45
  a person who's at a pro level. Oftentimes, couples
• 1:02:48
  get upset when a guy who they wanted to be who
• 1:02:53
  they hoped to be at a pro level. It was at an
• 1:02:57
  elementary school level, but there were all the
• 1:02:59
  signs there. This bully was 22. He barely, he
• 1:03:06
  just got his first car. He only had two girlfriends.
• 1:03:11
  The fuck you know about dealing with a grown
• 1:03:13
  woman and her spouse? That expectation that couples
• 1:03:20
  have and then they'll turn around and go, these
• 1:03:21
  bulls ain't shit. Well, I mean, Junior don't
• 1:03:25
  know what he's doing. And if you want Junior,
• 1:03:27
  you know, you're going to have to be a little
• 1:03:29
  more patient and have a little more communication
• 1:03:30
  with Junior. And then Junior's going to have
• 1:03:32
  to understand, hey, I want to be a bull. I got
• 1:03:35
  to get more experiences. And now I get off the
• 1:03:39
  soapbox. Again, ladies and gentlemen, as only
• 1:03:47
  Mr. Mocha can break that shit down. That's why
• 1:03:49
  I said your ass was going last. Because I knew
• 1:03:52
  you had listened to everybody else. And I knew
• 1:03:55
  you were going to come there with that. But can
• 1:03:58
  I bite off something that you said? And this
• 1:04:02
  goes out to all the bulls out there, hopefully,
• 1:04:07
  that are listening. Whether you're a young bull
• 1:04:09
  or you're an older bull or you're somewhere in
• 1:04:11
  the middle. All right? Just because if you are
• 1:04:17
  able to say, look, I haven't had a lot of experiences
• 1:04:22
  and stuff, and maybe I'm not what you guys are
• 1:04:25
  looking for right now, that doesn't make you
• 1:04:28
  a failure. That doesn't make you a failure. To
• 1:04:32
  me, that makes you a grown -ass man because you're
• 1:04:36
  able to see. to come out and be honest with a
• 1:04:39
  couple and say look i'm just not that i thought
• 1:04:43
  i was experienced but i'm i haven't had these
• 1:04:47
  experiences that you are you know or maybe wanting
• 1:04:50
  or thinking that you know i have you know what
• 1:04:53
  i mean and a lot of times a couple will look
• 1:04:55
  at a guy and he might be i mean he might be you
• 1:04:59
  know late 20s or whatever and stuff and and and
• 1:05:03
  body by you know body by jake and and he looks
• 1:05:06
  like the definition of everything that they want
• 1:05:09
  until they you know it's time to talk and sit
• 1:05:15
  down and you know meet the husband and greet
• 1:05:18
  the husband and greet the wife and like you said
• 1:05:21
  know how to read the energy in the room and and
• 1:05:24
  he just He finds out that, hey, you know, and
• 1:05:27
  all of that can get inside of a bull's head.
• 1:05:30
  And then when it's time to perform, you can't
• 1:05:33
  perform. So if you want to save that embarrassment
• 1:05:39
  because it happened to me before when I was a
• 1:05:44
  young man, I thought I knew. But here again,
• 1:05:48
  my handler had to sit me down and she had to
• 1:05:50
  school me. She had to school me. She was like,
• 1:05:52
  baby, it's not about, you know. Just the performance.
• 1:05:57
  You got to know how to do this and that, et cetera,
• 1:05:59
  et cetera. That's why I tell guys, if you are
• 1:06:01
  not evolving, if you are not learning something
• 1:06:04
  after every encounter that you have, then you
• 1:06:07
  are wrong. You should sit down regardless of
• 1:06:12
  like you've got somebody that you can talk to
• 1:06:14
  or you just sit down with yourself. All right.
• 1:06:16
  And just like have a little checklist. Did I
• 1:06:18
  do this? Did I do that? You know, how did I how
• 1:06:21
  did I talk to the husband? You know, how did
• 1:06:23
  I talk to the both of them? How did I interact
• 1:06:25
  with her? You know, not on the physical level,
• 1:06:29
  but like getting inside of her head. You just
• 1:06:31
  talk about being able to talk to where, you know,
• 1:06:34
  she's really, really feeling you. I mean, she's
• 1:06:36
  really, really feeling you to the point of where
• 1:06:38
  it's like, God damn, he's got me going right
• 1:06:40
  now. I've even forgot. that we were supposed
• 1:06:43
  to have sex. That's some bonding shit right there
• 1:06:47
  when you have a woman like that. And that comes
• 1:06:50
  with, here again, just like Mocha said and Dee
• 1:06:52
  said, that comes with fucking experience. That
• 1:06:55
  comes with experience. So here again, if you
• 1:06:59
  ever get in that damn situation, don't be scared
• 1:07:02
  to say, look, I'm not there yet. And like I said,
• 1:07:08
  it does not make you a failure, right? It makes
• 1:07:11
  you successful. It makes you successful. It really
• 1:07:14
  does. It makes you successful. Go ahead. Go ahead.
• 1:07:20
  If I may, this is kind of on topic, but it takes
• 1:07:25
  it to a different tangent. I got a question for
• 1:07:27
  the group. I heard talks about green flags and
• 1:07:31
  red flags. I want to put this question out there.
• 1:07:35
  so that maybe it will help others but specifically
• 1:07:37
  i want to pull the brothers right here in the
• 1:07:39
  brotherhood vast majority of communications that
• 1:07:45
  i get from couples starts with initial contact
• 1:07:48
  from the husband now for me one of my red flags
• 1:07:53
  when it comes to couples contacting me when initiated
• 1:07:58
  by the husband is anytime i hear anything that
• 1:08:02
  suggests She is not currently aware or actively
• 1:08:07
  involved in this engagement with me. I don't
• 1:08:13
  like being a surprise to the wife. I don't like
• 1:08:15
  being asked to seduce a woman who does not know
• 1:08:20
  of my existence already. So that's a red flag
• 1:08:24
  for me. I'm curious, amongst the brotherhood,
• 1:08:26
  when it comes to being contacted by husbands
• 1:08:29
  initially, what are your red flags? That was
• 1:08:33
  definitely a flagrant foul right there. Flag
• 1:08:35
  on the play. You know, flagrant. Flags flying
• 1:08:40
  from everywhere. Hit him in the forehead with
• 1:08:42
  a red flag. No. No. That's one of my pet peeves
• 1:08:46
  in life. Exactly. Exactly. Nah, we ain't doing
• 1:08:55
  that. I have to agree too. I got to say that
• 1:08:59
  pretty much. the primary flag for me as well.
• 1:09:05
  There can't be no type of contact, engagement,
• 1:09:08
  or conversation, nothing with the wife. You know,
• 1:09:12
  not only that I declined, I probably was going
• 1:09:16
  to block him too. I don't want to have nothing
• 1:09:19
  to do with him. Especially at the age I'm in
• 1:09:23
  now, I just don't have no rules, no type of bullshit.
• 1:09:26
  And that's just some bullshit I don't want to
• 1:09:29
  get involved in or invested in. I'm out. I was
• 1:09:34
  just about to say, Trey, at the four of us, you're
• 1:09:39
  talking to our ages right now, especially me.
• 1:09:45
  I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me.
• 1:09:46
  Anything can come out of my damn mouth now. Anything
• 1:09:51
  can come out of my mouth now, man. I'm to the
• 1:09:54
  point I have no patience with just... what i
• 1:10:00
  consider just absolute disrespect disrespectful
• 1:10:02
  from you know like that situation like that that's
• 1:10:07
  no uh because trust and believe if you contacted
• 1:10:11
  me from a site or something like that any profile
• 1:10:15
  that i have any profile that i have believe me
• 1:10:20
  it's going to be everything about me is going
• 1:10:22
  to be written in that profile and you're going
• 1:10:24
  to know okay this dude right here is he is legit
• 1:10:28
  He's not sending me some bullshit. I'm not reading
• 1:10:31
  bullshit. This guy right here, this is who I'm
• 1:10:33
  going to meet. Okay. So, you know, if you try
• 1:10:36
  to bypass anything like that, then I'm like,
• 1:10:40
  I'm like Dimitri and, and, and local, you know,
• 1:10:42
  Can I throw something out there just for couples
• 1:10:48
  that might be listening? Because I mean, I've
• 1:10:51
  had this conversation. I've had, I've had this
• 1:10:53
  conversation with a couple who's reached out
• 1:10:55
  to me online. And I shut him down and blocked
• 1:10:58
  him. Then I wound up seeing him in person in
• 1:11:00
  real life. And he's like, oh, I tried to hit
• 1:11:02
  you up online. And I'm like, yeah, I remember.
• 1:11:05
  But you said that, well, you know, I just wanted
• 1:11:09
  to make sure that you would like my wife and
• 1:11:11
  that my wife would like you first. I'm like,
• 1:11:12
  well, my recommendation to couples, if you look
• 1:11:17
  online and you see a guy that you... aren't sure
• 1:11:23
  if he's going to like your wife, my recommendation
• 1:11:24
  is for you to select three or four guys' profiles
• 1:11:28
  and say to your wife, honey, I'm going to reach
• 1:11:30
  out to these guys. I'm going to reach out to
• 1:11:33
  these four guys. Which one of these guys do you
• 1:11:36
  like and which guys do you not like? That way
• 1:11:39
  you can pre -qualify. So now when you reach out
• 1:11:42
  to me and say, hey, my wife is interested in
• 1:11:45
  you. Please take a look at our profile. You know,
• 1:11:48
  is she your type? If I say yes, cool, now get
• 1:11:53
  her involved. But I'm not about to sit here and
• 1:11:56
  have the classic, what would you do to my wife?
• 1:12:00
  The fuck am I supposed to know? I don't even
• 1:12:02
  know the lady. I mean, I don't know. You know,
• 1:12:07
  I'm not about to sit here and give you spank
• 1:12:10
  bank material for me not to, no, I'm not doing
• 1:12:13
  that. So, but I do respect the fact that there
• 1:12:16
  are some couples out there. I've definitely met
• 1:12:18
  couples where the guy's like, hey, I'm going
• 1:12:20
  to be honest with you. I didn't want to present
• 1:12:23
  you to my wife and then you turn around and not
• 1:12:25
  like her because, you know, it would hurt her
• 1:12:27
  feelings, blah, blah, blah. Okay, great. So go
• 1:12:29
  ahead and give her three or four options. And
• 1:12:31
  that way, if I say, no, thank you, you can say,
• 1:12:35
  oh, well, no, I didn't reach out to that guy.
• 1:12:38
  Or you can make it whatever bullshit you need
• 1:12:40
  to. But this is the way that you can kind of
• 1:12:45
  spare her feelings if that's what your goal is.
• 1:12:49
  And the whole you're vetting the guys? Absolutely.
• 1:12:52
  I vet guys for my wife. But before I do all of
• 1:12:56
  that, it's, hey, honey, you like this guy? Yeah,
• 1:12:58
  cool. I'm going to reach out to him. And if he
• 1:13:01
  bites, because I'm going to put it out there,
• 1:13:04
  hey, how you doing? Saw your profile. My wife
• 1:13:06
  really likes you. Please take a look at our profile.
• 1:13:09
  If she's your type. Respond back if not, thank
• 1:13:12
  you very much for your time. That way it's left
• 1:13:14
  open -ended. I mean, he can jump in there and
• 1:13:17
  respond or not respond, but he understands from
• 1:13:21
  the very beginning that I'm not about to sit
• 1:13:22
  here and fucking sext you. I mean, I'm not doing
• 1:13:25
  that. And I don't like when people do it to me.
• 1:13:29
  I respect those answers. And if I may, I got
• 1:13:33
  another question for the Brotherhood. That's
• 1:13:38
  going. We talk about how we're, like, I like
• 1:13:43
  to use the word cultivate. We're cultivating
• 1:13:45
  experience. We're starting with seduction, a
• 1:13:48
  little bit of education, some sprinkle in, just
• 1:13:53
  some passion, and you create a nice little mix
• 1:13:56
  that can bring on, I don't want to use the words
• 1:14:01
  obsession or addiction, but you create a repeat
• 1:14:05
  customer. I'm curious. Because it seems like
• 1:14:10
  the big thing now are these meetups at Splash
• 1:14:14
  or these meetups at other, I'm not going to name
• 1:14:17
  any other events. They can promote themselves
• 1:14:20
  wherever they want. But I'm curious. One of the
• 1:14:24
  things that I want to bring to the life itself,
• 1:14:29
  I'm like Mr. Morgan, let's not call it a lifestyle,
• 1:14:32
  it's a life. is anyone out there creating experiences
• 1:14:39
  beyond the hotel takeover the resorts takeovers
• 1:14:44
  uh i want because colorado is such a beautiful
• 1:14:47
  state we've got so many things here we get all
• 1:14:50
  four seasons we have just amazing things you
• 1:14:53
  can do i'm trying to create some experiences
• 1:14:56
  and to cultivate some activities where it's not
• 1:15:00
  just in the bedroom it's not just in the bar
• 1:15:03
  it's not just in the club it is you know something
• 1:15:07
  outdoors some activity that you know gets the
• 1:15:12
  blood flowing the heart rate pumping you you
• 1:15:14
  you're out in the sun you're having some fun
• 1:15:16
  and it ends in the bedroom you spent all day
• 1:15:20
  connecting and experiencing life itself and and
• 1:15:24
  activating your bodies so that when you create
• 1:15:27
  that physical union later. There's just that
• 1:15:30
  much more into it. I'm curious, is there anything
• 1:15:32
  like that already going on anywhere else? Well,
• 1:15:36
  me personally, I actually call it the girlfriend
• 1:15:40
  experience. Where, you know, I give them that
• 1:15:46
  time and say, We do events or activities or sightseeing
• 1:15:51
  or whatever the case may be able to do. But the
• 1:15:53
  thing about it is, like I said, I get the girlfriend
• 1:15:55
  experience. So it's everything that I pretty
• 1:15:57
  much have planned out. I plan that event out
• 1:16:00
  throughout the day. It can be a nice evening
• 1:16:06
  on the beach. It can be a nice walk through the
• 1:16:08
  city. It could be an evening at the hall where
• 1:16:11
  I'm gambling. It could be some almost anything
• 1:16:15
  where she's on my arm enjoying. the environment
• 1:16:19
  but we're doing it together uh of course you
• 1:16:23
  know there's some touching and hitting playful
• 1:16:27
  foreplay in the middle of it because you know
• 1:16:30
  it's like i also call what i like to call teasing
• 1:16:33
  the public you know you do a little bit of risque
• 1:16:36
  action or touching and you get the eyes watching
• 1:16:40
  you they're getting the blood going so once you're
• 1:16:43
  getting a call you get back where you're trying
• 1:16:45
  to go you go in like rats So, yes, I do that
• 1:16:49
  pretty much a lot. It's called giving them that
• 1:16:53
  girlfriend experience. Now, it's different when
• 1:16:56
  you come down to a hot wife experience because
• 1:16:57
  sometimes the husband is there where he's also
• 1:17:02
  there for the experience, but he's also out of
• 1:17:05
  the scene. Well, when we actually have a dinner,
• 1:17:09
  I would have him sitting at the bar, you know,
• 1:17:12
  and when that kid comes to pay that bill, I sit
• 1:17:15
  at the bill to his face. You know, that bill
• 1:17:19
  does not touch the table because I don't want
• 1:17:21
  nothing to interfere or interrupt the experience
• 1:17:24
  that we have. And during that, it's just pretty
• 1:17:27
  much a great conversation of me. The homework
• 1:17:32
  that I did on her, I want to just simply then
• 1:17:36
  put in a conversation to be able to know her
• 1:17:38
  from her POV or her experiences. And then let's
• 1:17:43
  hope that leads to the bedroom as well. Nice,
• 1:17:47
  nice. So based upon what you said, like to me,
• 1:17:54
  that is going to be understanding that we all
• 1:17:58
  hunt differently. We all have different styles.
• 1:18:02
  So there are certain things that get each person
• 1:18:04
  turned on. That kind of goes, that's definitely
• 1:18:08
  the category of number one, knowing yourself.
• 1:18:12
  And this is, that's a very good point because
• 1:18:16
  There are some guys out there who are not turned
• 1:18:20
  on by the let's walk in the room and fuck. They
• 1:18:23
  need more buildup. That's your hunting style.
• 1:18:27
  You like Coke or Pepsi. How do you like to get
• 1:18:30
  yourself prepared? Because that's another major
• 1:18:33
  failure of a lot of guys is they don't know themselves
• 1:18:36
  or they don't acknowledge what they need. If
• 1:18:39
  you're a guy that needs that buildup. but you
• 1:18:42
  keep trying to force yourself to play with couples
• 1:18:44
  who don't require that buildup, then you're already
• 1:18:46
  setting yourself up for failure. You know, now
• 1:18:49
  if you're the guy who don't want all of that
• 1:18:53
  and you have the ability to quickly build rapport
• 1:18:56
  and quickly pull that energy out of her, then
• 1:19:01
  you're just going to hunt differently. So that's
• 1:19:04
  going to be a hunting style and a personality.
• 1:19:09
  And as you know, what, What do you need to do
• 1:19:13
  to present the best version of yourself? And
• 1:19:18
  if you know that you're not good at just walking
• 1:19:22
  in with the wham bam, thank you, ma 'am, then
• 1:19:24
  that means that you need to cultivate a style
• 1:19:30
  and a hunting technique so that you can get a
• 1:19:35
  couple comfortable enough. to allow you to do
• 1:19:39
  that and that's where communication comes in
• 1:19:41
  you know represent yourself as as you are in
• 1:19:46
  your profiles and your initial conversations
• 1:19:48
  hey this is what i like and i can tell you i
• 1:19:53
  have turned down lots of couples because somebody's
• 1:19:56
  like hey i'm the kind my wife needs you to take
• 1:20:00
  her out and hold her hand and do all this stuff
• 1:20:02
  no i'm not doing that right up front because
• 1:20:07
  For me, rapport building is different. For me
• 1:20:12
  personally, if I'm all over you like that, it's
• 1:20:18
  because I've been inspired and there's a chemistry
• 1:20:20
  there. I'm not faking chemistry because what's
• 1:20:22
  going to happen is I'm now going to do all of
• 1:20:27
  this stuff that I felt was fake or forced. And
• 1:20:31
  when I get to the bedroom. I'm going to give
• 1:20:33
  you some mediocre meat. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:37
  And then on the other side of that, you know,
• 1:20:41
  if I have built rapport with a couple and it
• 1:20:48
  feels natural for me to do that with her, then
• 1:20:51
  yes, I'm going to do it. So to me, it kind of
• 1:20:54
  goes both ways. I've always been that person,
• 1:20:56
  like within the lifestyle, chances are you're
• 1:21:00
  going to fuck first. And when I said earlier,
• 1:21:05
  if you leave the room and you're still just a
• 1:21:07
  BBC, for me, chances are as I'm going to build
• 1:21:10
  that rapport, we're going to have great sexual
• 1:21:12
  chemistry and sexual energy. And then, by the
• 1:21:14
  way, holy shit, we're talking about stuff. Man,
• 1:21:16
  we're firing on multiple levels. You know, her
• 1:21:20
  husband is super cool. I like talking to this
• 1:21:22
  guy. The wife is super cool. I like talking to
• 1:21:25
  her. And, hey, by the way, you guys want to go
• 1:21:27
  hang out one day? Ah, shit. For me, it's an organic
• 1:21:30
  thing. I don't require that buildup. But that's
• 1:21:35
  me personally. One of my boys who is a bull supreme,
• 1:21:39
  very experienced, on point, always get good reviews.
• 1:21:44
  He's the guy who's like, nah, I want to just
• 1:21:47
  fuck. Let's go grab a drink first. You know,
• 1:21:50
  let's go hang out. So that to me is all about
• 1:21:53
  hunting style. So that's going to vary between.
• 1:21:57
  who you are and what gets you where you need
• 1:22:00
  to be and what's going to make you present to
• 1:22:03
  her the best. How can anyone go after that shit?
• 1:22:13
  He just broke that shit. Both of y 'all just
• 1:22:15
  broke that shit down. I ain't got damn word to
• 1:22:17
  say. That just kind of, that just kind of, uh,
• 1:22:23
  I know, Trey Ward, that just kind of summed it
• 1:22:25
  all up to me. I mean, Socrates, what you got
• 1:22:27
  to say? No, yeah, nothing. I mean, everything
• 1:22:33
  was laid down. Yeah, forget it. No, ditto. Wait
• 1:22:38
  a minute, wait a goddamn minute. Socrates, you
• 1:22:42
  have motherfucking days every week. Well, you
• 1:22:45
  got something to say. Every hour he got one schedule.
• 1:22:55
  What are you talking about? All right. I am.
• 1:23:02
  I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I'm just
• 1:23:10
  like. Everything else, I mean, that's why I have
• 1:23:13
  a day every week because I have turned some people
• 1:23:17
  down. I remember the day I said literally because
• 1:23:22
  I was quoting Pagan or any of these gentlemen
• 1:23:27
  here. I remember the day I said I put my AR -15
• 1:23:31
  down and I picked up my sniper rifle. I literally
• 1:23:37
  said that to myself. I dropped a whole body of
• 1:23:41
  playmates. And I started turning down a whole
• 1:23:46
  lot of people. And I said, no. And I started
• 1:23:48
  becoming an intellectual sniper. I started. asking
• 1:23:51
  real Socratic questions to get deep into their
• 1:23:54
  soul, and I'm turning them down quicker than
• 1:23:57
  lickety -split. Hey, hey, man. Hey, hey, hey,
• 1:24:00
  hey, hey. Hold on a second. The fuck is a Socratic
• 1:24:05
  question, man? Don't be throwing... Hey, listen,
• 1:24:07
  Pagan ain't here right now. When Pagan comes
• 1:24:09
  back, we'll do all that shit, all right? Speak
• 1:24:12
  English. A Socratic question... A Socratic question
• 1:24:17
  is... Well, let me tell, let me, I'll say it
• 1:24:22
  the way people say it is. And then I want to
• 1:24:24
  tell it the way it really is. So Socratic question
• 1:24:26
  is, is, you know, the answer, but instead of
• 1:24:30
  telling the person, you're going to ask him a
• 1:24:34
  bunch of questions to get them to discover the
• 1:24:37
  answer for themselves. Right. That's how they
• 1:24:39
  usually explain it. But the way Socrates really
• 1:24:42
  taught it was you don't attach yourself to anything.
• 1:24:47
  You just listen purely. And then ask to understand
• 1:24:52
  deeply. And then we all might discover. And what
• 1:24:57
  you realize is that they didn't even really know.
• 1:25:00
  And they're kind of talking it out with you helps
• 1:25:03
  them kind of to discover what they want. So I,
• 1:25:07
  I just. I did the Trey Wars, and I'm so excited
• 1:25:11
  about this, brother. I call these niggas every
• 1:25:14
  day. What's up? I got five questions for you.
• 1:25:18
  How much time you got? And I studied these brothers.
• 1:25:22
  Y 'all think I'm playing? I made infographs about
• 1:25:26
  them. I just studied them. And I don't. The infographs
• 1:25:32
  are impressive. Yeah, like, I'm kind of nerdy
• 1:25:38
  with it. I kind of got deep with it. Like, so
• 1:25:40
  I'm implementing these things, and I can't really
• 1:25:46
  add anything to everything. I seriously can't.
• 1:25:49
  What am I going to say? Listen to what the fuck
• 1:25:53
  they said? Like, I became authentic. So what
• 1:25:56
  happened is the nerdy, I allowed my nerdy, like
• 1:25:59
  real crazy nerdy side came out. And all of a
• 1:26:03
  sudden, what bubbled up is couples that really
• 1:26:07
  like bulls that are Sigma. You know, he has,
• 1:26:12
  I'm the authority in the room, but we're going
• 1:26:15
  to talk about how we're going to implement Socratic
• 1:26:19
  methods along with AI. along with old school
• 1:26:25
  principles of houses. And, you know, and we're
• 1:26:29
  all fucking nerding out and fucking the shit
• 1:26:32
  out of everything and doing everything we want
• 1:26:36
  to do in a weekend because of these brothers
• 1:26:40
  putting their foot on my neck and saying, you
• 1:26:43
  better be your fucking self. Or, you know, Making
• 1:26:50
  sure that I'm not going to just allow you to
• 1:26:54
  use me as a pawn for you guys to work your bullshit
• 1:26:58
  out because you aren't really ready for this
• 1:27:01
  lifestyle. So I'm going to save you trouble and
• 1:27:04
  myself by saying, no, I'm going to pass. You
• 1:27:08
  know, that is why I get a date every week because
• 1:27:12
  what's happening now is the flywheel is turning.
• 1:27:16
  When you reject. You know what's a real weird
• 1:27:20
  thing is when you reject a couple, ten of them,
• 1:27:23
  out of ten, nine are going to curse your name.
• 1:27:27
  Motherfucker, who do you think you are? One of
• 1:27:29
  them is going to say, you know what, he's right.
• 1:27:32
  I'm probably not ready. But my friends that brought
• 1:27:35
  me in, they are ready. I'm going to introduce
• 1:27:39
  them. And that's like my real story. It was like,
• 1:27:44
  thank you, man, because you know what? We really
• 1:27:46
  needed to talk about this marriage and lifestyle
• 1:27:49
  and these things. And guess what? We really believed
• 1:27:53
  that we were not serving the Lord and we were
• 1:27:56
  just falling into sin. But we don't judge. And
• 1:27:59
  our friends are lifestyle for 20 years and it's
• 1:28:02
  worked out for them. And I'm going to introduce
• 1:28:04
  you. And these these couples are fucking dope.
• 1:28:07
  That's all I can say. Why? Because. Mr. Mocha
• 1:28:11
  would call me and curse me the fuck out. Have
• 1:28:13
  me in tears. Nigga, if you don't get this right,
• 1:28:17
  get your shit together. Hey, listen. Why am I
• 1:28:20
  the villain in everybody's story? Because, nigga,
• 1:28:23
  you the villain. Play it well. Wait, wait, wait,
• 1:28:29
  wait. While everybody's beating up on Mr. Mocha,
• 1:28:32
  I look forward to getting beat up on Mr. Mocha,
• 1:28:35
  I have to say. Exactly. The way you broke out,
• 1:28:38
  the way you answered the question I asked, okay,
• 1:28:41
  so I'm going to tell you this about me. I am
• 1:28:44
  a natural thorn, but also a professionally trained
• 1:28:47
  interrogator. I just have a natural inclination
• 1:28:50
  to want to know the why. Much like Socrates and
• 1:28:54
  the Socratic method, my whole idea is I want
• 1:28:57
  to know the why of what you do, why you do it
• 1:29:01
  the way you do it, what compels you, what's deep
• 1:29:04
  down beneath what you think, what you want. I
• 1:29:07
  want to know why you want it, why you truly want
• 1:29:09
  it. But iron sharpens iron. You can't get better
• 1:29:14
  without getting challenged. You know, growth
• 1:29:16
  sits in discomfort. Growth doesn't come from
• 1:29:20
  comfort. Comfort is stagnant. So, but I ask these
• 1:29:25
  questions because I want to hear from you gentlemen
• 1:29:29
  who are doing it at a level at or above my own.
• 1:29:33
  I want to hear from you what you found. And it
• 1:29:37
  makes me question myself. Does that jive with
• 1:29:40
  what I believe? And if it doesn't jive. what
• 1:29:42
  is it i'm possibly missing i'm not so arrogant
• 1:29:45
  as to believe that i have all the answers in
• 1:29:48
  fact i know i have very few and there are others
• 1:29:50
  out there that i can learn more from but i bring
• 1:29:53
  that in when i interact with women specifically
• 1:29:56
  and i'm trying to also bring that with couples
• 1:29:59
  but i'll focus on the women if a woman says i'm
• 1:30:02
  a size queen i want to know why It ain't enough
• 1:30:06
  that you say you like a big one. I want to know
• 1:30:07
  what it is that triggers that because I use that
• 1:30:11
  later in the seduction. If you like a pinky in
• 1:30:16
  your ass, I want to know why she likes the pinky
• 1:30:19
  in her ass. I'm trying to figure all that out
• 1:30:22
  because it is part of my toolkit so that when
• 1:30:26
  I'm balls deep inside of her and I whisper something
• 1:30:29
  in her ear, it's going to press on those buttons
• 1:30:32
  that I've learned as I've interrogated her. i
• 1:30:35
  try to try not to be brutal with my interrogations
• 1:30:37
  i try to be polite i try to be sophisticated
• 1:30:40
  gentle but i'm trying to get deeper than that
• 1:30:45
  surface level conversation she's having with
• 1:30:47
  all these other bulls uh as as the great mr morgan
• 1:30:51
  says i want to claim her mind okay i want to
• 1:30:56
  get in there know how that thing works Because
• 1:31:00
  then when I start pulling these little strings
• 1:31:02
  and that thing starts getting wet, and then I
• 1:31:05
  finally touch that kitty and she roars. She doesn't
• 1:31:10
  meow. She doesn't purr. She roars because I primed
• 1:31:13
  that engine right. That's why I'm coming at it.
• 1:31:15
  So that's why I asked the question. It helps
• 1:31:17
  me understand how you all think and the angles
• 1:31:20
  that you come from. But you heard what Mocha
• 1:31:25
  said, though, right? And it's all about you developing
• 1:31:29
  your own style. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's six.
• 1:31:33
  It is six of us. And the six of us are alike
• 1:31:36
  in a lot of ways. But how we maneuver at events
• 1:31:40
  and how we maneuver in our private lives in this
• 1:31:44
  life, you know, it benefits each one because
• 1:31:48
  we have our different styles. We do. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:31:54
  Yeah, and that is really the main thing, brother.
• 1:31:58
  And to the other brothers out there listening,
• 1:32:00
  develop your style. Here again, just what Socrates
• 1:32:04
  said, be your authentic self, all right? I'm
• 1:32:09
  going to say that three fucking times. Be your
• 1:32:10
  authentic self. Be your authentic self. Don't
• 1:32:14
  be afraid to be who the fuck you really are.
• 1:32:17
  And then develop that style, what works for you.
• 1:32:20
  And believe me, you will be successful. It'll
• 1:32:23
  take time, but you'll be successful. It'll get
• 1:32:25
  to the point of where people will start talking.
• 1:32:30
  You know, couples will start talking. They'll
• 1:32:32
  be like, okay, you got to have your shit together
• 1:32:35
  when you fuck with B Morgan. This is how he is.
• 1:32:39
  You know what I mean? They've been around you.
• 1:32:41
  They know. That's a very, very good statement
• 1:32:46
  you're saying. I'm not meaning to interrupt you.
• 1:32:49
  Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, bro. No, it's great
• 1:32:52
  that you said it because I wish people understood
• 1:32:54
  the importance of what you just said, and that's
• 1:32:57
  to be your authentic self. Like, we all have
• 1:33:05
  been to Splash where we have saw other people
• 1:33:07
  trying to emulate other people. We go, oh, you
• 1:33:09
  trying to be like him. And you see that shit
• 1:33:12
  don't work. You see it don't work. And we just
• 1:33:16
  got to see it. And the girls, the music come
• 1:33:20
  up. What am I doing wrong? Motherfucker, you're
• 1:33:23
  not being you. You're trying to be me. Like,
• 1:33:27
  be you. I can't be the best version of you. So
• 1:33:31
  just be you. Be your authentic self. And it will
• 1:33:35
  work. I promise you. I promise you. That's all
• 1:33:40
  I can say, man. Oh, yeah. As much as we, as Moca
• 1:33:46
  say, as high level, operators. We watch and observe,
• 1:33:51
  trust and believe those couples are watching
• 1:33:54
  and observing you. They've already gone through
• 1:33:57
  their Rolodex and they know who the brotherhood
• 1:34:00
  is. They know who certain ones are and they're
• 1:34:04
  like, okay, this is what we're looking for. So
• 1:34:07
  they may get there, they may speak, they may
• 1:34:09
  not speak, but they will watch you and see how
• 1:34:12
  you navigate the room. Okay, I've had a couple
• 1:34:16
  couples come up to me and they were like, and
• 1:34:18
  this is when I first, my first couple times going
• 1:34:21
  to Splash. They were like, yeah, you're a very,
• 1:34:24
  very popular guy. I said, you're a busy guy.
• 1:34:27
  You know, you got out of the elevator and turned
• 1:34:29
  right back around and went back up. And I was
• 1:34:31
  like, goddamn, you were really fucking observing
• 1:34:33
  and shit. You know what I'm saying? And they
• 1:34:35
  were right. I got out of the motherfucking elevator,
• 1:34:36
  took about five, six steps. Somebody grabbed
• 1:34:39
  me. I went right back up the elevator. You know?
• 1:34:42
  So couples watch you, man. They watch everything
• 1:34:45
  that you do. And here again, those couple of
• 1:34:49
  times I was thirsty, especially that first time
• 1:34:51
  I was thirsty. And then I realized when I went
• 1:34:54
  back home, you know, when I went back home, though,
• 1:34:58
  I went back home and I was like, Brian, that's
• 1:35:01
  not you. You just you just sit here like like
• 1:35:04
  nothing is bothering you. You're not fazed or
• 1:35:06
  anything. I was like, OK, this is you begin to
• 1:35:10
  see who I am now. You automatically know that,
• 1:35:15
  no, I'm not going to go upstairs with just any
• 1:35:19
  couple. Okay? Not putting down couples. Go ahead,
• 1:35:24
  Mo. So I'm going to jump right on that same train
• 1:35:29
  that you two were on about being your authentic
• 1:35:31
  self. Because we've talked about this before.
• 1:35:38
  A lot of people don't understand the difference
• 1:35:40
  between being creepy and being sexy. It's simply
• 1:35:46
  who's doing it. I literally, no exaggeration,
• 1:35:52
  watched a guy do something, say something, behave
• 1:35:59
  in a certain manner to a female, and she goes,
• 1:36:03
  oh my God, that guy was creepy. And then an hour
• 1:36:08
  later or less, I watch another guy do the exact
• 1:36:12
  same shit. And she was like, oh, my God, he's
• 1:36:17
  so sexy. So I say that to say this. If you do
• 1:36:23
  what I do, it may not turn out the same. You
• 1:36:29
  can't. If you copy my style and my approach.
• 1:36:36
  At best, you can be second best. Being yourself,
• 1:36:43
  your authentic self, when you go into it and
• 1:36:48
  you are yourself, that's going to be your drawing
• 1:36:54
  board and your clean slate. That's where you
• 1:36:57
  start at. And you hone your authentic self when
• 1:37:02
  you're approaching people, when you're doing
• 1:37:03
  things. You figuring out, like Socrates, Socrates
• 1:37:10
  enjoys being able to talk about the things that
• 1:37:13
  interest him, and there was a time when talking
• 1:37:16
  about the things that interest him embarrassed
• 1:37:18
  him. He's learned that he can talk about the
• 1:37:24
  things that interest him, but he learned how
• 1:37:28
  to smooth out the edges. You can ask what Mr.
• 1:37:34
  Mocha does or would. B Morgan does or Dimitri
• 1:37:37
  does or what Trey does or what Socrates does
• 1:37:40
  all day long and then you can take perfect notes
• 1:37:43
  and you can go and do exactly what I did and
• 1:37:48
  it's not going to turn out the same because you're
• 1:37:53
  not me and you haven't honed that particular
• 1:37:57
  behavior or those skill sets for the last almost
• 1:38:03
  five you know you know, my adult life since I
• 1:38:06
  was a teenager, I'm always attempting to be me.
• 1:38:11
  So in a lot of scenarios outside of the lifestyle,
• 1:38:17
  I'm very inquisitive and I do want to understand
• 1:38:20
  the nomenclature or something, throwing out a
• 1:38:24
  big word for y 'all since taking it here, how
• 1:38:27
  you take something apart and put it back together.
• 1:38:29
  All right. But. When it comes to me as a person
• 1:38:34
  and lifestyle, I am never trying to offer the
• 1:38:38
  next dude's experience. So that's what makes
• 1:38:43
  us all unique. She is not looking for the experience
• 1:38:49
  that her husband gives her. She's not looking
• 1:38:52
  for you to give her the experience that her favorite
• 1:38:54
  bull gives her. She's looking for you to bring
• 1:38:57
  your own brand. She didn't go out to the restaurant,
• 1:39:01
  do the same goddamn thing she cooked at home.
• 1:39:04
  She wants them to differ. So as long as you understand
• 1:39:07
  that she is looking for your brand, I've told
• 1:39:12
  husbands many times when they're trying to give
• 1:39:14
  me instructions, well, give me an opportunity
• 1:39:18
  to fail. Let me see if she likes what I do. And
• 1:39:22
  if she doesn't like it. Then, you know, with
• 1:39:24
  all due respect, maybe I'm not the right guy,
• 1:39:26
  but I don't need instruction on how to fuck your
• 1:39:28
  wife. Just tell me what she don't like. She don't
• 1:39:30
  like me to put nothing in her ass, and she don't
• 1:39:33
  like, you know, any weird shit. Cool. Tell me
• 1:39:37
  what she doesn't like, and then I'll figure out
• 1:39:39
  the rest. Right. And that's where that whole
• 1:39:44
  concept of know thyself. You have to be honest
• 1:39:47
  with yourself about what you desire in the lifestyle,
• 1:39:51
  what you want. And then you start from there,
• 1:39:54
  and it's all practice. You practice, practice,
• 1:39:57
  practice, practice. And just like, and I say
• 1:40:00
  practice, and it may sound kind of fucked up
• 1:40:02
  that you're practicing on couples, but guess
• 1:40:04
  what? They're fucking practicing on you, and
• 1:40:07
  it's two of them and one of you. So you're going
• 1:40:12
  to practice and continue to get better at your
• 1:40:15
  craft, which is going to equate to a couple having
• 1:40:19
  a better experience. Agreed. Agreed. I mean,
• 1:40:24
  to clarify, I'm in full agreement. Authenticity,
• 1:40:29
  being yourself, knowing yourself. The reason
• 1:40:33
  why I ask the questions is I look at this in
• 1:40:36
  some ways, it's kind of like if you're familiar
• 1:40:38
  with the Myers -Briggs test or the Enneagram,
• 1:40:41
  the idea of understanding yourself, sometimes
• 1:40:45
  you have to be presented with variations to see.
• 1:40:51
  No, I don't identify with that. I'm more this
• 1:40:54
  other way. Or even Brian Morgan's The Sigma.
• 1:41:01
  Everybody was so familiar hearing about alphas,
• 1:41:04
  then they started hearing about betas. But a
• 1:41:07
  lot of people don't know about deltas. They don't
• 1:41:09
  know about gammas. They don't know about omegas.
• 1:41:12
  And even fewer people know about zetas. So until
• 1:41:16
  you know they exist and you know how they operate,
• 1:41:19
  you don't understand where potentially you may
• 1:41:22
  fall in. So sometimes I ask those questions to
• 1:41:25
  present to people, hey, there's variations out
• 1:41:28
  there. You may think, oh, oh, I'm a lot like
• 1:41:32
  Socrates. And then you find out, actually, I'm
• 1:41:34
  like Socrates and a little bit of pagan mixed
• 1:41:37
  with a little bit of Mr. Mocha. Hold on. I got
• 1:41:40
  my own little lane right here. Let me cultivate
• 1:41:43
  what I got going. So that's where I was coming
• 1:41:46
  from, was trying to hit that so people could
• 1:41:49
  see the variations of even one simple question.
• 1:41:52
  Like, we all had the same red flag, but I was
• 1:41:54
  kind of hoping somebody would have a different
• 1:41:57
  red flag that no one had heard of. Damn, I didn't
• 1:42:07
  even bring silence to the interview, Tombo. No,
• 1:42:08
  no, no. No, but here again, though, those red
• 1:42:10
  flags all come here again with that experience.
• 1:42:13
  You know what I mean? very true very true we
• 1:42:16
  have we have all we've all been through so much
• 1:42:20
  um and here again you hear me you know my favorite
• 1:42:23
  one of my favorite words is what evolution evolving
• 1:42:26
  evolving and between the six between the six
• 1:42:30
  of us we could probably have we probably would
• 1:42:34
  have one hell of a damn uh encyclopedia of of
• 1:42:39
  of you know escapades and and do's and don'ts
• 1:42:43
  and all the uh great times we have and all the
• 1:42:47
  fucked up times that we have you know and even
• 1:42:50
  though they may have been fucked up here again
• 1:42:52
  we learn from them we learn from them um and
• 1:42:56
  that here again that's not a bad thing that you
• 1:42:58
  fail all right That's not a bad thing that you
• 1:43:02
  fail. You learn from every experience. If you're
• 1:43:04
  not learning from every experience, gentlemen,
• 1:43:06
  then this isn't the life for you. It really isn't.
• 1:43:10
  Amen. Stop calling yourself a bull. Okay? In
• 1:43:16
  my opinion. Just to throw it out there, so anytime,
• 1:43:22
  like, just if you present a question, we don't
• 1:43:26
  usually assume that that's what you're saying,
• 1:43:28
  but the question is being answered because somebody
• 1:43:31
  out there has that question. Somebody out there
• 1:43:34
  is wondering that, and that is a great, I mean,
• 1:43:38
  you're throwing up an alley -oop, and now we're
• 1:43:40
  able to thoroughly answer some listener's question
• 1:43:43
  or thoroughly adjust the behavior of someone
• 1:43:47
  who thinks that's the way to go because, you
• 1:43:49
  know, it is great to hear different viewpoints,
• 1:43:53
  but within the lifestyle, one of the biggest
• 1:43:54
  challenges, especially, believe it or not, For
• 1:44:00
  the guys who come into lifestyle, there's a lot
• 1:44:02
  of pressure on them. There's a lot of pressure
• 1:44:04
  for guys to come in and to perform. And I say
• 1:44:09
  this all the time as a married person with a
• 1:44:12
  wife who's in the lifestyle, very much in the
• 1:44:14
  lifestyle. It's much easier being a couple than
• 1:44:19
  it is being a single man. You have to perform.
• 1:44:25
  You. are expected to be a fucking mind reader.
• 1:44:29
  Even, you know, me and Mike C, one of our great
• 1:44:31
  debates, is to me, he's always kicking the guys
• 1:44:36
  in the ass. And I'm like, dude, no. Do you know
• 1:44:39
  who actually trains the guys? You know who teaches
• 1:44:43
  the guys to be who they are? They're not having
• 1:44:47
  experiences with a bunch of dudes. They're having
• 1:44:49
  experiences with a bunch of couples. And like
• 1:44:52
  I said earlier, I... Mr. Mocha, as a bull, I
• 1:45:00
  represent the sum total of every couple that
• 1:45:03
  I've experienced. So they made me who I am, learning
• 1:45:08
  from them, learning from my experiences with
• 1:45:12
  them. The couples at the end of the day are the
• 1:45:15
  ones who educate the bulls. Because as a hunter,
• 1:45:18
  you know who educates you? The prey. The things
• 1:45:24
  that you're hunting, the things that you're tracking,
• 1:45:27
  they educate you. I know that based upon this
• 1:45:31
  pattern, this animal is going to be here at sunrise.
• 1:45:35
  I'm not telling them it would be there. I'm learning
• 1:45:38
  from their patterns and their habits. So the
• 1:45:41
  couples teach bulls to be bulls and better bulls
• 1:45:44
  or worse bulls. That being said, it's very difficult
• 1:45:48
  for bulls. To really learn all the game from
• 1:45:55
  other bulls. Because talking to me and talking
• 1:45:57
  to all the fellas, that's the instruction manual.
• 1:46:00
  That's the cookbook. But I know a whole lot of
• 1:46:03
  people with a cookbook that's still going to
• 1:46:06
  fuck up the food. You know what I'm saying? Yep.
• 1:46:10
  Yep. Accurate. Church. Church. Preach. Facts
• 1:46:24
  on facts on facts, brothers. I'm telling you.
• 1:46:29
  I'm trying to think of another red flag. I can't
• 1:46:31
  think of one. Usually you got a thousand of them.
• 1:46:35
  Well, but that was a major one, though, that
• 1:46:37
  was touched on. So, you know, and we can keep
• 1:46:41
  going with that all night. I thought it was beautiful
• 1:46:44
  when you brought up that. I think a lot of young
• 1:46:49
  bulls out there especially don't know to redirect
• 1:46:52
  your wife back to her husband. That is, you pointing
• 1:46:57
  that out is beautiful because that's something
• 1:46:59
  that, again, it brings shame on bulls when you
• 1:47:03
  got young bulls out there that are, you know,
• 1:47:05
  basically, you know, pulling wives from their
• 1:47:10
  husbands. And it may not even be intentional.
• 1:47:12
  He's just, he's thinking he's, hey, my dick's
• 1:47:14
  so good, she wants to see me on the side. I didn't
• 1:47:18
  do nothing wrong, but you fucking the whole thing
• 1:47:21
  up for everybody else because now that rumor
• 1:47:23
  gets out, people start thinking that's what bulls
• 1:47:25
  do. It is what bulls do. I had my scumbag season.
• 1:47:33
  I had my scumbag season. But once again, it's
• 1:47:37
  experience that taught me later on down the road,
• 1:47:40
  hey, this isn't the right way to go. You're going
• 1:47:43
  to get a lot more. out of enjoying the experience
• 1:47:47
  because let's keep in mind, there's a lot of
• 1:47:49
  bulls, quote unquote, who are not bulls. As a
• 1:47:55
  bull, you are expected to communicate or in some
• 1:47:59
  way, shape, or form have some sort of interaction
• 1:48:03
  with the couple. There's a lot of guys out there
• 1:48:06
  who just want to fuck the wife. That's it. And
• 1:48:10
  I'm going to tell couples right now. Couples
• 1:48:14
  fuck up the game because they walk up to some
• 1:48:16
  dude who has been in lifestyle for three days
• 1:48:20
  and says, hey, you know, I really want you to
• 1:48:22
  be a bull for my wife. Does that mean I get to
• 1:48:25
  stick my dick in her? Yes. I'll be a bull, a
• 1:48:27
  goat, a cow, whatever the fuck you want to call
• 1:48:29
  me. Yes, I'm that guy. No explanation. So now
• 1:48:35
  you've got a whole group of dudes out there who
• 1:48:40
  call themselves bulls. But they don't want to
• 1:48:42
  talk to their husband. Hey, man, look, just drop
• 1:48:45
  it. Listen, drop the bitch off. Let me dig my
• 1:48:47
  dick in her. That's their mentality. You know
• 1:48:50
  what I'm saying? As opposed to understanding
• 1:48:53
  that as a bull, if you're going to claim that
• 1:48:55
  title, you may be in a situation where, okay,
• 1:49:00
  the husband says to you up front, look, I like
• 1:49:01
  to be in the room watching. Okay, that's the
• 1:49:04
  agreement that y 'all set up. So now you're saying,
• 1:49:06
  man, I'd be a lot more comfortable if your husband
• 1:49:08
  wasn't here. You're doing some scumbag shit.
• 1:49:11
  You know, or if you have a husband who's like
• 1:49:13
  you or something, I don't necessarily want to
• 1:49:15
  watch, but I like to, I'm that guy who I want
• 1:49:19
  to have a beer with the dude that my wife is
• 1:49:21
  fucking and I want to talk about my wife with
• 1:49:24
  him. And man, that's just kind of weird. But
• 1:49:26
  you say that after you fucked his wife 12 times
• 1:49:28
  and then keep flaking on the guy for the beer.
• 1:49:31
  You know, there's a lot of things that comes
• 1:49:34
  with having that title. And once again, there
• 1:49:37
  were a whole lot of dudes that think they're
• 1:49:39
  bulls because some couples saw them and said,
• 1:49:42
  man, that guy would look real good fucking my
• 1:49:44
  wife. You want to be her bull? I don't know what
• 1:49:46
  the fuck that means, but yes. If that means I
• 1:49:48
  get the fucker, I'll be the bull. So you got
• 1:49:50
  a bunch of guys running around thinking that
• 1:49:51
  bull just means I'm a white fucker. No. That's
• 1:49:56
  a single male, a .k .a. manicorn. But you are
• 1:50:00
  there because you just want to fuck the wife,
• 1:50:02
  and that's cool. couples usually tell guys, like,
• 1:50:06
  most dudes don't start off calling themselves
• 1:50:08
  bulls. Most dudes is called a bull by a couple.
• 1:50:12
  And then if you meet an old -ass couple, they'll
• 1:50:14
  call you a stud. You know what I'm saying? It
• 1:50:16
  just kind of depends on, you know, who it is.
• 1:50:19
  But most dudes take on titles and behaviors based
• 1:50:23
  upon what the first few couples they fucked with
• 1:50:26
  asked of them. Because contrary to popular opinion,
• 1:50:32
  99 % of single males in the game, when they're
• 1:50:36
  first coming to the game, are very compliant,
• 1:50:38
  extremely compliant. And they've been compliant
• 1:50:44
  to the first five or six couples who usually
• 1:50:48
  have very little etiquette, usually have very
• 1:50:54
  little respect for their time, and then that
• 1:50:57
  guy turns around and starts doing that to other
• 1:50:59
  couples. When you got some guy messaging your
• 1:51:02
  wife, messaging you at 2 o 'clock in the morning,
• 1:51:04
  what the fuck is wrong with this guy? Well, the
• 1:51:06
  last three couples, the first three couples I
• 1:51:08
  played with only messaged me at 2 o 'clock in
• 1:51:11
  the morning. So he thinks that's okay. So most
• 1:51:15
  of that education actually comes from couples.
• 1:51:18
  So we do spend a lot of time throwing rocks at
• 1:51:21
  dudes, but a lot of this education really should
• 1:51:25
  be turned around to the couples. who want to
• 1:51:28
  bring a guy into their bedroom because you play
• 1:51:31
  a huge role in the training and the behavior
• 1:51:35
  because, let's be honest, couples, you may have
• 1:51:40
  met some bulls or some single guys who have no
• 1:51:44
  class, who have no style, or who are just fucking
• 1:51:48
  dumb, but you haven't met a whole lot who are
• 1:51:51
  just flagrantly disrespectful or flagrantly rude.
• 1:51:57
  Usually, you'll call them rude or disrespectful
• 1:51:59
  when they annoy you, but there's very few people
• 1:52:03
  in all the years I've been in this lifestyle,
• 1:52:05
  and don't get me wrong, there are some, but most
• 1:52:07
  of them will complain about a guy doing something
• 1:52:10
  that they think is dumb, but, but, there are
• 1:52:14
  three other couples that think that guy's fucking
• 1:52:16
  brilliant for doing that exact same thing, which
• 1:52:18
  is where you circle back to experience. An experienced
• 1:52:22
  bull, over time, starts to identify. What thing
• 1:52:26
  is going to be good for this couple and what
• 1:52:29
  thing is not going to be good for that couple?
• 1:52:31
  And only experience can do that for you. Yeah.
• 1:52:40
  They need to really know what dynamic they're
• 1:52:45
  leading it to also when it comes out. Very, very
• 1:52:52
  similar, but also very, very, very different.
• 1:52:55
  And I was actually talking with Michael C. actually
• 1:52:59
  this morning. And we was talking about how certain
• 1:53:03
  guys would just get pissed with a couple, ask
• 1:53:08
  them a question. And, you know, that pretty much
• 1:53:11
  tells you their level or their experience in
• 1:53:16
  the lifestyle. They get upset off a question,
• 1:53:21
  you know. You know, what we was actually talking
• 1:53:25
  about was, we was talking about how there are
• 1:53:29
  so many degrees and levels of cuckolding. And
• 1:53:33
  I said, first and foremost, I never yuck another
• 1:53:36
  person's yaw. I said, but there are couples out
• 1:53:40
  there that would ask guys, like, hey, are you
• 1:53:42
  comfortable with peanut and fluffy? And that
• 1:53:46
  guy may shout out, oh, hell no, what the fuck
• 1:53:48
  wrote you? Blah, blah, blah. Motherfucker, how
• 1:53:50
  you spending? No, they have to ask you these
• 1:53:52
  questions. And these guys, they pop up into this
• 1:53:57
  angle, this rage, understanding that this couple
• 1:54:00
  is just asking questions for a fool or a bull
• 1:54:05
  to be comfortable for them. So if he can blow
• 1:54:10
  up at you like that, he's not the guy. He's not
• 1:54:13
  that bull. He's not a bull. you're not appearing
• 1:54:15
  but he's just if he can't hear you he can't hear
• 1:54:17
  you out he has not done his homework he hasn't
• 1:54:25
  been thorough he may have checked out uh uh what
• 1:54:29
  is it to be a bull or what is it like to be a
• 1:54:31
  bull the characteristics of a bull but you have
• 1:54:33
  to check all the blocks You have to find out
• 1:54:37
  what cuckolding is. You have to find out what
• 1:54:39
  hot wifing is. You have to know how to deal with
• 1:54:41
  the wife. You have to know how to deal with the
• 1:54:42
  husband, both separately and together. It's all
• 1:54:46
  an equation, gentlemen. It's a big equation.
• 1:54:48
  And if you fuck up and don't get that equation
• 1:54:52
  right, you will not be successful. And another
• 1:54:58
  thing, you have to be patient than a motherfucker.
• 1:55:02
  Have some patience, gentlemen. You have to be
• 1:55:05
  fucking patient. All right. Because here again,
• 1:55:07
  uh, you might not know something, but the couple
• 1:55:12
  may not know a whole lot either. Okay. And a
• 1:55:16
  lot of times you may make a friendship by being
• 1:55:21
  patient. And the three of you all research this
• 1:55:25
  thing together. I've actually done that before.
• 1:55:28
  I had the patience of Job and the three of us
• 1:55:33
  went and researched things together before we
• 1:55:36
  ever even thought about pulling our clothes off.
• 1:55:38
  And then through that trial and error, we started
• 1:55:41
  doing certain things slowly. And, you know, it
• 1:55:45
  led up to putting everything together and we
• 1:55:49
  having some great damn times together, you know.
• 1:55:53
  So here again, here again, have that patience,
• 1:55:56
  John. All right. Have that patience with your
• 1:55:58
  couples as well as with yourself. And with couple
• 1:56:02
  couples is definitely, there's an art to making
• 1:56:06
  people comfortable enough to be honest with you.
• 1:56:09
  Because once again, we go back to what DJ said,
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  you know, the experience, the experience of,
• 1:56:17
  the experience is going to help you tell a couple,
• 1:56:22
  Hey, thank you for being honest, but I'm not
• 1:56:24
  into that. And then the next level will be being
• 1:56:31
  able to communicate, hey, I understand that you're
• 1:56:34
  into this. These are my boundaries. I'm still
• 1:56:37
  willing to play with your wife, but these are
• 1:56:39
  my boundaries. I just ask that you don't violate
• 1:56:42
  my boundaries, and I'm not going to treat you
• 1:56:45
  any kind of way. Or you respectfully completely
• 1:56:50
  bow out, and that's where the couples have to
• 1:56:53
  be mature. Because I think the worst thing that
• 1:56:56
  couples can do is wait until you have interacted
• 1:57:03
  with the wife multiple times. And then you try
• 1:57:06
  to slip something in there, you know, or slip
• 1:57:08
  in some type of behavior that you haven't discussed.
• 1:57:11
  And now when the guy responds poorly, now you're
• 1:57:17
  telling everybody, Oh, this guy was an asshole.
• 1:57:19
  And this guy was so rude and disrespectful, but
• 1:57:21
  you, you know, omit your attempt at deception
• 1:57:28
  or your dishonesty. And for the bulls, there
• 1:57:35
  is nothing wrong, and I will say this, and this
• 1:57:37
  is going to get you a lot of respect, in saying,
• 1:57:39
  hey, to be upfront, I have minimal experiences.
• 1:57:44
  I would love to play with your life. I would
• 1:57:47
  love to... I'm interested in being a bull, but
• 1:57:52
  what does that look like to you? Because what
• 1:57:56
  it looks like to one couple is completely different
• 1:57:59
  to another. And I mean drastically different.
• 1:58:03
  In the couple lifestyle, you have the very mild
• 1:58:07
  to the very extreme and everything in between.
• 1:58:12
  And experience is going to teach you to control
• 1:58:16
  your face when somebody asks you to do something
• 1:58:18
  that you're like, I wouldn't do that in a million
• 1:58:21
  years and have that grown -up conversation because
• 1:58:26
  when you respond poorly, now you're going to
• 1:58:29
  be in a situation where you have someone who
• 1:58:31
  may say, yeah, go ahead and play with my wife,
• 1:58:33
  but now that person is on edge and uncomfortable
• 1:58:36
  because, not because they won't respect your
• 1:58:40
  boundary, but because now you have the husband
• 1:58:43
  who's... internally questioning himself and he's
• 1:58:47
  internally you know worried about what you think
• 1:58:49
  about him and now you ruin that experience as
• 1:58:53
  opposed to giving that person a avenue to be
• 1:58:57
  honest and be respectful because you know it's
• 1:59:03
  very difficult for some guys to understand I
• 1:59:05
  talked to a dude like two weeks ago about something
• 1:59:08
  very similar where he was like yeah man Now that
• 1:59:11
  I know that couple's into this, I'm not going
• 1:59:13
  to play with them. Well, that's kind of hypocritical.
• 1:59:17
  That's like, you know, you asking the guy like,
• 1:59:20
  Hey, is it cool? You know, ask the wife, can
• 1:59:22
  I, can I fuck you in the ass? And she goes, no,
• 1:59:24
  I'm not into that. And then you'd be like, ah,
• 1:59:27
  nah, fuck that. I'm, you know, I'm not going
• 1:59:29
  to play with you. So you expect, you expect her
• 1:59:33
  to be okay with the fact that you want to fuck
• 1:59:37
  her in the ass. And she says, no, but you're
• 1:59:39
  not going to, Be willing to respect the husband
• 1:59:43
  who's honest and ask, hey, are you okay if I
• 1:59:46
  do this? And you go, no, no, that's not my thing.
• 1:59:48
  You can trust that that husband is going to be
• 1:59:50
  respectful and not do it. There are very, very,
• 1:59:54
  very few guys who I've talked to when a husband's
• 1:59:56
  had that conversation that he did violate that.
• 1:59:59
  Don't get me wrong. You're absolutely positive
• 2:00:02
  that you have guys or husbands who will try to
• 2:00:04
  sneak some shit in on you. And then those guys,
• 2:00:07
  all right, yeah, we done talking. And, you know,
• 2:00:10
  we don't have to talk anymore. You violated.
• 2:00:14
  I would not do anything to your wife that you
• 2:00:17
  didn't give me permission to do or she didn't
• 2:00:18
  give me permission to do. The fact that you are
• 2:00:22
  attempting to take liberties, then now I'm going
• 2:00:26
  to behave to you like you would behave to me
• 2:00:28
  and say, hey, we don't interact anymore. I agree.
• 2:00:35
  Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Gentlemen,
• 2:00:42
  we have been going at it, what, for, damn, since
• 2:00:45
  7 .30, correct? Eastern Standard Time? It's now
• 2:00:49
  9 .40. Dang. And I've enjoyed every minute. I've
• 2:00:55
  enjoyed every doggone minute. Socrates, this
• 2:01:00
  is the quietest I've ever been around your ass,
• 2:01:04
  all right? I'm telling you. This is the quietest
• 2:01:08
  ever. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Do
• 2:01:12
  you want us to sign this off for now? I mean,
• 2:01:15
  we can come back at another date and have a part
• 2:01:18
  two. Yeah, yeah, let's sign it off. You know,
• 2:01:23
  we hit them with a lot of stuff and a lot to
• 2:01:25
  process. But I do want to do this again. But
• 2:01:29
  I will say I want to welcome Trey Ward to the
• 2:01:33
  Brotherhood. I want to say this and then we'll
• 2:01:37
  sign off. I have been quiet because, like, this
• 2:01:42
  is surreal for me. Like, I had a moment where,
• 2:01:49
  you know, you guys know my wife, Siren of Freedom,
• 2:01:52
  and she's always my wife. And so... And as soon
• 2:01:59
  as the podcast was going, she's flashing her
• 2:02:01
  tits at me. She's shaking her ass in my face.
• 2:02:04
  She's doing all this. I'm trying to concentrate.
• 2:02:07
  And I had a moment of thinking, okay, I used
• 2:02:11
  to dream of this, right? I'm on here with my
• 2:02:13
  boys. I'm living this life. I'm enjoying it.
• 2:02:18
  And I get to chop it up with them. And I was
• 2:02:22
  like, this is the life I wanted to live. And
• 2:02:25
  I'm seeing. Trey Ward's in here, and I'm like,
• 2:02:28
  this is why I wanted to build our portion of
• 2:02:35
  the brotherhood, because we're always going to
• 2:02:37
  give credit to Michael C., who really, really
• 2:02:40
  pushed these ideas and wanted to bring us together
• 2:02:44
  and saying lone wolves can interact with each
• 2:02:48
  other, you know? And so I'm just sitting here
• 2:02:54
  taking it in. And at the same time saying, man,
• 2:02:58
  I felt like, you know, this has come full circle.
• 2:03:04
  Because when we first started this podcast, this
• 2:03:08
  is what I envisioned. There's people like my
• 2:03:11
  man coming on here. And every time you spoke,
• 2:03:14
  I was like, this is music to my ears. I love
• 2:03:18
  everything this brother's saying. I'm trying
• 2:03:20
  to find something to disagree with him about.
• 2:03:24
  I'm like, and he wants to soak up what we have,
• 2:03:28
  and this is what the brotherhood is about. And
• 2:03:31
  so I couldn't be more happier. So I'm just like,
• 2:03:33
  yeah, I'm listening, I'm soaking it in, and I'm
• 2:03:37
  letting these gentlemen that I get to talk to
• 2:03:40
  all the time share their wisdom of, like they
• 2:03:44
  said, heartache and pain, successes, repetition,
• 2:03:50
  noticing patterns. accepting who you are, who
• 2:03:54
  you're not, where your lines are and where they're
• 2:03:56
  not, man, this is a beautiful thing. So I just
• 2:04:01
  want to welcome you, brother, to the brotherhood
• 2:04:03
  and all you other guys that reach out here, you
• 2:04:07
  know, like we're open. We want to have people
• 2:04:13
  that want to be better and want to do this at
• 2:04:18
  a high level. So with that, I'll say. Yeah, let's
• 2:04:21
  sign off and do it again, you know? Absolutely,
• 2:04:26
  absolutely. We'll definitely do a part two of
• 2:04:28
  this. And before I do the signing off, as usual,
• 2:04:33
  I would like to thank Mr. Mocha and Dimitri,
• 2:04:36
  my brothers, for sitting in tonight and we just
• 2:04:40
  sitting down and chopping it up about some very,
• 2:04:42
  very good topics. And to all the brothers that
• 2:04:47
  hopefully will listen tonight and couples. uh
• 2:04:50
  like i always say you know if we see you all
• 2:04:53
  right let's go that means come on in and and
• 2:04:57
  and chop it up with us all right that's what
• 2:04:59
  we're looking for looking for quality quality
• 2:05:01
  couples as well as quality bulls um and last
• 2:05:06
  but not least trey war welcome to the brotherhood
• 2:05:09
  sir i appreciate it it's welcome it is a blessing
• 2:05:14
  it is a blessing thank you guys for letting me
• 2:05:17
  in Welcome to the Brotherhood. And ladies and
• 2:05:21
  gentlemen, again, we will have a part two coming
• 2:05:25
  up in the very near future, hopefully. I don't
• 2:05:29
  know what else to say, but it has been one hell
• 2:05:30
  of a podcast, and I've enjoyed my brothers. I
• 2:05:36
  am the Sigma Male, Brian Morgan, along with the
• 2:05:38
  nephew, Socrates, the Velvet, Velvet Curtain
• 2:05:43
  himself, Dimitri, Mr. Mocha, and Trey War. Wishing
• 2:05:48
  everybody a good night. To all the brothers that
• 2:05:50
  were listening tonight, a good night. And all
• 2:05:53
  the ladies, hot wives, sexy sluts out there,
• 2:05:57
  good morning. Until we meet again, auf Wiedersehen,
• 2:06:02
  cheers, bye -bye. Y 'all have a good night.