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Sharri | 10 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Danikiti Giorgio
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Speaker 2: filling in for Shari. Coming up tonight, Sydney streets explode
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Speaker 2: as anti Israel and anti Australian protesters clashed with police.
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Speaker 2: As a former Australian of the Year calls to globalize
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Speaker 2: the inter FATA, Voters in Susan Lee's own safe seat
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Speaker 2: are turning against her. Will Angus Taylor move for a
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Speaker 2: spill Before the end of the week, I'll speak to
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP Tony Payson and King Charles Back's a police
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Speaker 2: probe into his brother Andrew, as Keir Starmer's leadership hangs
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Speaker 2: in the balance. I'll go live to London and catch
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Speaker 2: up with gb News host Emily Carver on the ongoing
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Speaker 2: Epstein fallout. But first tonight, what the heck has happened
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Speaker 2: to Australia. The Australia I grew up in, respected police officers,
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Speaker 2: The Australia I grew up in, respected our values. The
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Speaker 2: Australia I grew up in waved the Australian flag and
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Speaker 2: sung the national anthem with pride, and I just wonder
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Speaker 2: did we take that civilized and for the most part,
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Speaker 2: harmonious society. For granted, the people who brought shame to
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Speaker 2: this country last night at the anti Australia, Anti Israel
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Speaker 2: Sydney protest hate us, They hate everything that we stand for.
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Speaker 2: They do not want peace. But welcome to Australia. In
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, twenty seven arrests nine people charged the
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Speaker 2: majority with assaulting police. Meanwhile, close by, Jewish Australians who
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Speaker 2: had gathered to listen to Israeli President Herzog speak went
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Speaker 2: into lockdown and were told but they could only leave
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Speaker 2: under police protection because of what was going on nearby.
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Speaker 3: As you know, there was a protest up to town Hall.
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Speaker 4: I went a little bit longer than expected.
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Speaker 5: We're fearing a crowd and I'm ensure you say passage
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Speaker 5: out of you here.
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Speaker 3: If we could just be patient with us for thirty minutes,
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Speaker 3: please will assure you say passage out of here again.
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Speaker 2: What is this Australia When a group of people are
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Speaker 2: basically told you're not safe, as they haven't been since
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Speaker 2: October seven, twenty twenty three. But here we are where
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Speaker 2: Jews still need escorts. Nothing has changed in Anthony Arbernese's
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Speaker 2: Australia despite his insistencies.
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Speaker 6: As I have said repeatedly, we need to turn the
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Speaker 6: temperature down in this country. We need to turn it
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Speaker 6: right down.
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Speaker 2: Turn the temperature down, Prime Minister. It's been two years
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Speaker 2: of you talking about turning the temperature down. Keyword there
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Speaker 2: talking And where are we at. Not even two months
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Speaker 2: after the biggest terror attack on home soil, Anti Israel
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Speaker 2: protesters have chanted globalized the intera FATA, attacked police and
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Speaker 2: baited one another to set the Israeli and Australian flags alight.
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Speaker 2: And the problem is, and this is what the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister still has knock grasped, is that these people are
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Speaker 2: emboldened and will use any and old tactics to intimidate
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Speaker 2: Jews and the West for that matter. Have a look
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Speaker 2: at this example. In the middle of last night's protests
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Speaker 2: in Sydney, a group of Muslim men decided to get
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Speaker 2: on the ground and start praying, despite police issuing a
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Speaker 2: move on. Notice, guys, look, you're not fooling anyone by
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Speaker 2: bending over in the middle of a violent protest in
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Speaker 2: the name of Islam. Spare me the act. This was
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Speaker 2: a deliberate display of dominance a total weaponization of religion.
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Speaker 2: New South Wales police had given the order get out
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Speaker 2: of town Hall in Sydney and this group, led by
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Speaker 2: a man named Sheikh Wasam Chaikawi, dropped on the floor
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the city. And who is this
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Speaker 2: sheikh or is the convener of the Muslim Vote movement.
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Speaker 2: He defended the actions of two Bankstown nurses who allegedly
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Speaker 2: threatened to kill Jewish patients, prompting the school he works
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Speaker 2: for ordering him to work from home. He was then
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Speaker 2: reinstated after kids and teachers at Grandville Boys School in
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Speaker 2: Sydney staged a protest where they chanted alawakbah. He and
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Speaker 2: the rest of those who pray knew exactly what they
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Speaker 2: were doing. They knew that they'd be moved on, which
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Speaker 2: allows them, of course to claim racism, discrimination against Muslims,
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Speaker 2: Islamophobia and say, oh, well, no, we were praying, that's all,
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Speaker 2: and we're actually lucky that police got them off the floor.
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Speaker 2: In the UK, they wouldn't have even have touched them.
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Speaker 2: And look where the UK is at And all this
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Speaker 2: does is show contempt for us. Now, if you want
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Speaker 2: to go and pray, go to your mosque. Go to
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Speaker 2: your place of worship, not in the middle of the
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Speaker 2: city in a deliberate defiance of a police order. And
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Speaker 2: here was the Premier, Chris Mins on this.
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Speaker 5: The circumstances facing New South Wales police was incredibly difficult.
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Speaker 5: It was in effect in the middle of a riot.
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Speaker 5: Now police have to make critical early decisions in those circumstances.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't designed to pick on or target a particular community.
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Speaker 5: It's not representative of a long standing relationship and I
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Speaker 5: think fair minded people would look at the context of
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Speaker 5: that interaction before condemning you South Wales Police.
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Speaker 2: And well done to the Premiere for speaking such common sense.
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Speaker 2: Anthony AARBERINEESI didn't want a bar of it.
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Speaker 6: I note that the New soth Wales Police have said
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Speaker 6: they will examine the footage which was taking place last night,
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Speaker 6: including I note that many people who saw the footage,
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Speaker 6: particularly of the people who were praying and then action
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Speaker 6: was taken, will want to know all of the circumstances
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Speaker 6: around that and I'll allow the police to do their job.
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Speaker 2: Right On Q the Australian National Imam's Council said the
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Speaker 2: recent footage of Muslims praying in the city during the
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Speaker 2: protest against the appalling visit of the Israeli president. Being
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Speaker 2: heavy handedly pushed and forcibly moved by police while in
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Speaker 2: prayer is shocking, deeply disturbing, and entirely unacceptable. Police are
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Speaker 2: entrusted to protect the community, uphold public safety and de
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Speaker 2: escalate tensions, not to interfere with religious worship or inflame
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Speaker 2: an already sensitive situation. An already sensitive situation. Well, we
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be in this situation had Hamas terrorists not attacked
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Speaker 2: Jews the same Hamas terrorists. Muslim groups seem to not
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Speaker 2: want to call out the same terror attacks. Muslim groups
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Speaker 2: don't want to call out for what they are acts
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Speaker 2: of Islamic extremism. The Lebanese Muslim Association said Muslim worshippers
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Speaker 2: were physically manhandled and prominent Imam Sheik Wassam Chaikhawi was
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Speaker 2: ordered to cease leading prayer. While New South Wales police
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Speaker 2: may attempt to characterize this conductor's crowd control, the reality
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Speaker 2: was the public and forceful suppression of peaceful religious practice.
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Speaker 2: Interrupting peaceful prayer is beyond the pale. It is unacceptable, unjustifiable,
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Speaker 2: and unast Australian praying in the middle of a protest
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Speaker 2: is political. It's got nothing to do with religion. If
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Speaker 2: police tell you to move on, you move on. That's
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Speaker 2: actually the law in this country, and you're not above
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Speaker 2: the law. So you can go on stage and act
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Speaker 2: and call it a prayer. And it's time for these
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Speaker 2: Muslim associations to start taking some accountability now. Anti Israel
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Speaker 2: protesters were last night told that they were not to march.
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Speaker 2: They lost a Supreme Court battle, but they didn't listen.
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Speaker 7: During the first part of the speeches, it was peaceful.
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Speaker 7: We were working continuously with the organizer. However, speakers were
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Speaker 7: inciting the crowd too much. We had made it clear
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Speaker 7: throughout the week that a march through the CBD was
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Speaker 7: not acceptable. The police did what they needed to do,
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Speaker 7: which was to hold the line and then form and
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Speaker 7: move the protesters back with a view to dispersing them.
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Speaker 7: That was designed to keep the community safe. Having an
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Speaker 7: angry and violent mind marching on police is not a
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Speaker 7: situation that I want our officers in.
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Speaker 2: And of course, lead organizer and professional protester Josh Lee's
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Speaker 2: claimed police brutality.
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Speaker 8: This was a violent attack on protesters in order to
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Speaker 8: roll the red carpet out for someone who has incited
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Speaker 8: a genocide in Gaza. The vast majority of people in
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Speaker 8: that crowd was not just some small minority either directly
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Speaker 8: experienced or witnessed all around them. Really sickening acts of
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Speaker 8: police brutality against people who were just trying to disperse.
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Speaker 2: The Left are obsessed with playing the victim. Do they
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Speaker 2: look like victims to you?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 2: I think law abiding citizens will see the footage and
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Speaker 2: not think it was police brutality. Police were not at faultier.
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Speaker 2: They were set upon by a bunch of baying anti Australians.
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Speaker 2: And I praise the response from police, go hard on
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Speaker 2: these people, protect us and protect our values. But imagine
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Speaker 2: had that been the response at the steps of the
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Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House when the Israeli flag was set alight
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Speaker 2: and where are the Jews was chanted? And I've got
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Speaker 2: to say one of my favorite moments from last night
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Speaker 2: was when an officer picked up cafes belonging to protesters
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Speaker 2: and threw them in the bin. Please rid us of
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Speaker 2: this nonsense. And they probably belonged to one of the
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Speaker 2: legion of professional left protesters who just jump on every
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Speaker 2: cause as they tie themselves in knots of guilt, just
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Speaker 2: like Grace Tame. Here is the twenty twenty one Australian
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Speaker 2: of the Year. Ladies and gentlemen, Grace Tame has gone
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Speaker 2: from an advocate for sexual abuse survivors to silent on
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Speaker 2: the rape and torture of Israeli women at the hands
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Speaker 2: of her muss. She should be immediately stripped of her
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Speaker 2: Australian of the Year awards. She doesn't deserve the honor,
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Speaker 2: she doesn't deserve the accolades that come with it. And
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Speaker 2: this is one of the greatest honors Australia can bestow
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Speaker 2: on someone and she's thrown it in our faces. One
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Speaker 2: Nation MP Barnaby Joyce was strong on this today.
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Speaker 1: Is that the sort of thing that should see her
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Speaker 1: stripped of that honor? Yes on The answer to that
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Speaker 1: is yes.
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Speaker 9: And the form of her words, if it's followed through
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Speaker 9: brings about the death of people, is that what you want,
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Speaker 9: Grace Tame, is that the gift you give back to
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Speaker 9: Australia after one of the greatest honors Australia could bestow
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Speaker 9: on you.
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Speaker 2: And of course the leader of the Greens threw in
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Speaker 2: the gender.
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Speaker 10: Card well, the gender dynamics of that call are pretty apparent,
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Speaker 10: aren't they? Two extreme conservative men who have a terrible
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Speaker 10: track record of standing up for women's rights anyway, now
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Speaker 10: calling for a brave Australian Grace Tame, who has every
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Speaker 10: fiber of her being defined as a social justice warrior.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, isn't it. I Meanwhile, till Zarie Steggel was
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Speaker 2: falling over herself.
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Speaker 10: Laura, we have freedom of speech in Australia. She is
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Speaker 10: entitled to hate speech, lauds Now. I do not agree
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Speaker 10: these we do, and those hate speech laws go to
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Speaker 10: if you are in urging or encouraging harm to be
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Speaker 10: brought upon Australians. That is what the hate speech for
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Speaker 10: speech is.
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with what.
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Speaker 10: Is being chanted, but I also respect that there are
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Speaker 10: This is.
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Speaker 2: Encourage very common. It doesn't know you and we wonder
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Speaker 2: why one nation is so popular. And I just want
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Speaker 2: to show you these very contrasting scenes. The Israeli president
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Speaker 2: came to Australia to lay a reef at the scene
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Speaker 2: of the Bondai massacre and to pay his respects. And
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Speaker 2: today he went to a Jewish college where look at
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Speaker 2: these kids, They're all smiles, and this is what peace
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Speaker 2: looks like. It's quite different to the Australia we saw
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Speaker 2: last night. I miss the good old days. What the
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Speaker 2: heck has happened to this country? Joining me now is
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Speaker 2: former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and GXO Strategies director Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you both on. Thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for joining me on the show. Look, want to start
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Speaker 2: with these protests, but in the last couple of hours
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Speaker 2: we've seen protesters again. They're in Sydney. They've actually staged
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Speaker 2: another protest. They're calling this one against police brutality, so
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Speaker 2: they claim. But it's the same old rhetoric.
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Speaker 4: Have a look at this, Chrisman's good to hell, Well.
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Speaker 2: Here we go again. I mean, holy, they'd be pretty
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Speaker 2: dumb just to do it, to repeat last night's scenes
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Speaker 2: outside of a police station. But it's not Your IQ
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Speaker 2: is the highest, clearly with these people, clearly, But I mean,
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Speaker 2: is this not the anti Israel behavior that the Bondi
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Speaker 2: massacre taught us was so dangerous in the first place? Absolutely,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you just be so proud as her mother? I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you send that out on the Christmas card to
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Speaker 2: all the family and friends out there. I mean, this
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Speaker 2: is the kind of behavior that led to the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 11: It is the weakness of this Prime minister. It is
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Speaker 11: the weakness of this federal government. Chris Means at least
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Speaker 11: has taken a strong stand here and given police the
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Speaker 11: powers to do that. Unfortunately in other states like Victoria
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Speaker 11: they don't. Is because we've got the weakness of the
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Speaker 11: Allen government. But it is this sort of sentiment throughout
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Speaker 11: Australia that you are one hundred percent right when you
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Speaker 11: talk about it denigrating our values and who we are
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Speaker 11: as a nation, and that grace time is just an
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Speaker 11: absolute disgrace, absolute disgrace for someone who was an Australian
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Speaker 11: of the Year to be fundamentally calling for the murder
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Speaker 11: of Jewish people, which is what that chant means. Be
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Speaker 11: under no illusion as to what that chant means. And
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Speaker 11: the fact of former Australian of the Year is up
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Speaker 11: there publicly chanting it is disgraceful. But the weakness that
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Speaker 11: you can guarantee will see from Alban Easy and the
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Speaker 11: cohort of Tony Burke, etc. As they protect their Southwestern
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Speaker 11: seeds it'll be crickets.
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Speaker 2: Oh of course. I mean, you know the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: today is still talking about keeping the temperature down.
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Speaker 11: Well, he was desperate, he was devastated. He wasn't that
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Speaker 11: devastated when Bondai happened. No, you know he's perceiving as
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Speaker 11: police brutality. Well this is what helped me. Now I
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Speaker 11: completely agree.
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Speaker 2: And you know, Cameron, these protesters last night, right, they
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Speaker 2: were told that they're not allowed to march, they were
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Speaker 2: given a Supreme Court order, they defied it.
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Speaker 4: They knew exactly.
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Speaker 2: What they were doing yesterday. Yet they're all coming out saying, oh, no,
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Speaker 2: it was police brutality. We're innocent. Why do the left
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Speaker 2: always play the victim?
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Speaker 12: And look are they just a bunch of thugs, total
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Speaker 12: thugs on the streets of Sydney. And it's your point,
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Speaker 12: totally on Australian they're not chearing our values.
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Speaker 1: As the country.
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Speaker 12: But no, you're right, don't disobey the laws, disobey the courts,
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Speaker 12: do everything else. Because they're a bunch of professional lefty,
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Speaker 12: hardcore protesters and Israel haters and Australia haters. In the
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Speaker 12: end of the day, just a bunch of haters. You know,
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Speaker 12: backed in with the Islamic extremists, Greens extremists, and not one.
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Speaker 1: Of them, not one of them.
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Speaker 12: There when people are being sword in Tehran by the
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Speaker 12: Islamic regime in Iran, not one of them, not one
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Speaker 12: of them. No, but peaceful Israel. Let's have a good
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Speaker 12: old riot in the Sydney for that. No, they're a
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Speaker 12: disgrace and no wonder they're back out there again because
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Speaker 12: we've got nothing better to do than hate Australia and
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Speaker 12: hate our values.
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Speaker 2: And it's such a shame that we've gotten to this.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you just you get to a point where
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Speaker 2: you just don't even recognize this great country of ours anymore.
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Speaker 2: And it's such a shame and it is a blight.
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Speaker 2: But this has been going on for more than two years. Now.
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Speaker 2: Enough is enough, seriously, because we've got to start taking
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Speaker 2: back our values. It can't go on. Let's move on.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Susan Lee. She's survived another day,
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Speaker 2: but I guess for how much longer. But have a
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Speaker 2: look at this. Voters in her own safe seat of
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Speaker 2: Aubrey are openly talking about walking away from the Liberal Party. Locals.
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Speaker 2: They're calling her lazy, Susan saying she just goes around
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Speaker 2: and around. Look holy, but they're pretty, they're pretty blood.
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Speaker 11: Let's be right, there's a group down there that have
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Speaker 11: stood against Susan over the last couple of elections. Right,
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Speaker 11: So I don't think it would have been particularly hard
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Speaker 11: to find a few people to give themselves.
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Speaker 2: Well, look a quote. I know that you're a big backer.
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Speaker 2: I know you're a back and you've got to know,
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Speaker 2: but you've got to admit. You've got to admit. Don't
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Speaker 2: you think that the time has come?
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Speaker 11: Well, what I do know is that James Patterson, John
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Speaker 11: o'dunheam Angus Taylor are all sitting City and Shadow Cabinet
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Speaker 11: haven't seen any movement, but they've been going to meetings.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what kind of values are they holding?
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Speaker 11: And again they're sending the women out to ask the
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Speaker 11: questions and without the boys having the gumption. I mean,
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Speaker 11: John O's been out there, but the rest of them
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Speaker 11: are all Ah. I still back season one hundred percent.
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Speaker 11: It is the absolute lack of moral fortitude being shown
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Speaker 11: and it's pathetic. Let's see if they do have the
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Speaker 11: gumption to stand up. But if the Liberals think changing
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Speaker 11: the leader is going to fix the problems, then they
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Speaker 11: are just sorely, sorely mistaken. What is happening in the
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Speaker 11: Liberal Party is an absolute rot. You can almost smell
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Speaker 11: the death decay from here. And it's been pushed by
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Speaker 11: a certain group within the middle of the organization and
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Speaker 11: it's filtering up and it's filtering down, and it's absolutely
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Speaker 11: destroying the Liberal Party. It's not about the parliamentary leadership.
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Speaker 11: It's about a decay of an entire organization.
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Speaker 2: Which is such a shame. It's such a blight for
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Speaker 2: conservative But if you're a.
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Speaker 11: Conservative woman, if you're a conservative woman, where are you
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Speaker 11: going to put your vote?
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Speaker 2: Well, we've got to one, pa, Well they've got.
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Speaker 11: A conservative You've got a Conservative party with the first
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Speaker 11: ever female leader. They haven't even given her twelve months
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Speaker 11: and they've undermined it from day one. One nation who's
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Speaker 11: never been an advocate for DEI values.
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Speaker 2: I've got to forbid lead.
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Speaker 11: I don't know, it's sorry, no, no, no, I don't play
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Speaker 11: for gender car I've never been a gender person. But
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Speaker 11: the fact that this group of little, big swinging fallacies
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Speaker 11: have not been able to contain themselves from day one,
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Speaker 11: and I hope quite frankly, if they if they bring
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Speaker 11: on a challenge, that they receive the same loyalty and
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Speaker 11: support from the party room as Dave shown.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, what's your analysis on this, because obviously the polling
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Speaker 2: is bad. It can't go on like this andres Taylor
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Speaker 2: still hasn't put his hand up because where is it?
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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on? So much? So
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Speaker 2: much character? Cameron?
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Speaker 12: Isn't that well if Angus Taylor is the answer, what
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Speaker 12: the hell was the question?
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Speaker 2: Not what I ask you?
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Speaker 1: Exactly right, Holly, not.
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Speaker 12: But look, the reality is that Lee can't defend herself
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Speaker 12: just on gender alone.
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Speaker 1: Holly.
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Speaker 12: I mean, she's no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: But she's hopeless. She's hopeless.
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Speaker 12: The Liberal Party are in the absolute death spiral because
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Speaker 12: she's the leader.
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Speaker 1: She's got to move off the stage.
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Speaker 12: You might talk about unfairness, that's fine, but the reality
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Speaker 12: is Lee has put them into a death spiral.
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Speaker 1: She can't get out of it. She's got to leave.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it can go how much longer?
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Speaker 13: Though?
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Speaker 2: I do take Colly's point on this though, even with
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Speaker 2: a change of leader, what does that mean now? Because
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Speaker 2: the party doesn't have any policies there's nothing on the table.
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Speaker 2: You know, what does it mean for Conservative voters? But
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Speaker 2: I just want to talk on that point about one nation. Clearly,
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Speaker 2: the surge there is rattling the coalition, but if you
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Speaker 2: have a look at the latest news poll numbers suggests
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Speaker 2: that preference flows could still keep Pauline Hanson's party from
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Speaker 2: actually converting this hype into seats, with Labour being the
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Speaker 2: main beneficiary there. Cameron, what does this mean for one Nation?
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Speaker 2: I guess if they want to try and convert this
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Speaker 2: popularity into actual votes.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think they get Senate quite as I mean,
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Speaker 12: Holly will know that, and I think you and I
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Speaker 12: have discussed this, so they'll get They'll do really well
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Speaker 12: in the Senate from those numbers, so it doesn't matter
20:58
Speaker 12: about preferences, but the lower House it depends how concentrated
21:01
Speaker 12: that vote is. And in my home state of Queen's Lane,
21:03
Speaker 12: I think in some of those electrics their vote will
21:05
Speaker 12: be high enough like the Greens are in other states
21:07
Speaker 12: to get some seats potentially if they keep it at
21:09
Speaker 12: that level. And let's not forget that Labour's voters are
21:12
Speaker 12: losing to one Nation as well, so there's a churn
21:14
Speaker 12: going on here. It's not shotting up in Newspole, but
21:16
Speaker 12: Labour voters are shifting to One Nation as well as
21:19
Speaker 12: well as Liberal voters. We're going to Labor in the
21:21
Speaker 12: current circumstance. So one Nation will do really well in
21:24
Speaker 12: the Senate that's guaranteed on these numbers, and potentially pick
21:27
Speaker 12: up a handful of low House seats in some probably
21:30
Speaker 12: more likely conservative voting electorates.
21:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's your rate on that? Then? How would
21:35
Speaker 2: that work? Because if it's going to flow into Labor,
21:38
Speaker 2: then that's a problem.
21:39
Speaker 11: Well, look, I mean the problem is that both Labor
21:42
Speaker 11: and the Coalition over the years have been determined to
21:45
Speaker 11: put one Nation last. But I think what we're saying
21:47
Speaker 11: in there's a change in the elect in the electorate
21:50
Speaker 11: of where their preference is going, where their votes are going,
21:52
Speaker 11: and we're seeing it with what's happening with the tail movement.
21:55
Speaker 11: We've seen what's going on in some of the seats
21:56
Speaker 11: where you've got independency in that are hanging on for decades.
22:00
Speaker 11: So look, I think we're going to see a lot
22:02
Speaker 11: of changes. I think we're going to be really it's
22:04
Speaker 11: going to be really interesting to see what happens at
22:06
Speaker 11: some of the state elections that don't have compulsory preferential voting.
22:11
Speaker 11: But I think One Nation will do well in the Senate.
22:13
Speaker 11: I think it'll do well in the Senate across the country,
22:15
Speaker 11: which could give them the balance of power, which in
22:18
Speaker 11: a lot of ways is as effective because you can
22:21
Speaker 11: be so you know, you really can drive through you know,
22:26
Speaker 11: and a serious agenda if you hold the balance in
22:29
Speaker 11: the Senate. But they will have to run lower House
22:32
Speaker 11: candidates because that's how you man the boots to even
22:34
Speaker 11: get the how to vote Senate cards in people's hands.
22:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, it's going to be interesting. And as I said,
22:38
Speaker 2: it's about convert. I mean, they're writing this great wave
22:41
Speaker 2: of popularity right now, let's see if it can actually
22:44
Speaker 2: convert to votes. We've got to talk about the Weather Bureau.
22:46
Speaker 2: Remember when the Bureau of Meteorology spent one hundred billion
22:49
Speaker 2: dollars of your money on that dreadful, bungled website rebuild,
22:54
Speaker 2: while we've now learned there's been another one point one
22:57
Speaker 2: five million again of your money spent just trying to
23:02
Speaker 2: tweak it. Camra. They're just not getting it.
23:06
Speaker 4: Right, are they.
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Speaker 12: No, it's a shaker and I'm a Queenslander and we
23:10
Speaker 12: used to rely on Bomb and especially during summer, like
23:12
Speaker 12: we're a psychloe state. We all knew how to read
23:14
Speaker 12: it when any where the thunderstorms are coming from, the
23:16
Speaker 12: old system was just fine, and then we have this
23:18
Speaker 12: awful thing.
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Speaker 1: No one can understand. It's disastrous. And then to find
23:22
Speaker 1: out one hundred million dollars later looked completely awful, completely awful.
23:26
Speaker 2: It's a shocker, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: We're ire at that time, Holy and I mean, it's
23:28
Speaker 11: your dreadful, it's just gentful.
23:30
Speaker 2: It's not even a good side.
23:31
Speaker 11: I mean, we a show on the weekend and we were,
23:33
Speaker 11: you know, we'd a band playing at the pub, so
23:35
Speaker 11: desperately looking where the rain was, and you know, my
23:38
Speaker 11: husband said, we'll check the bomb. I'm like, why, why
23:40
Speaker 11: good is looking out the window? It's your finger up.
23:44
Speaker 2: We've all become amateur meteorologists because of it.
23:46
Speaker 11: We may as well just if we were as wrong
23:48
Speaker 11: as a metrologist and still got paid where.
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Speaker 2: We're pretty lucky. No, I totally agree, Cameron Milder, Holy Hughes.
23:54
Speaker 2: Great to have you by Bomb. Thank you so much
23:55
Speaker 2: for joining me on the program. Well let's return now
23:58
Speaker 2: to Susan Lee's leadership. I want to bring in liberal
24:01
Speaker 2: MP Tony Payson. Tony, it's good to catch up again.
24:04
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me. I guess it's not a
24:06
Speaker 2: matter now of if. But when she goes right, does
24:09
Speaker 2: Angus Taylor challenge tomorrow do you think?
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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, Danika. The reality is where the coalition
24:18
Speaker 3: primary vote stuck in the teens, we've got a situation
24:21
Speaker 3: that's completely untenable. The sense I get from my colleagues
24:25
Speaker 3: is they want this brought to a head, and they
24:26
Speaker 3: want it brought to a head quickly, and quite frankly,
24:29
Speaker 3: that means it has to be resolved this week and
24:32
Speaker 3: I'm hopeful that the actors in this drama can play
24:34
Speaker 3: it out swiftly so that, as you've been saying with
24:37
Speaker 3: your previous guests, we can focus on policies not personalities.
24:41
Speaker 3: Because I don't agree with a lot that Holly just said,
24:44
Speaker 3: but what I agree with completely is that we need
24:48
Speaker 3: to focus on a policy and a suite of policies
24:51
Speaker 3: that can interest the Australian people and stop talking about ourselves.
24:57
Speaker 2: Well, just on that point. So, even with a new lead,
25:00
Speaker 2: you've got to put the right policies in but you
25:02
Speaker 2: also need a leader who's going to take charge and
25:05
Speaker 2: actually make some critical changes, be that conservative voice and
25:09
Speaker 2: make a difference so that the party isn't labor like
25:12
Speaker 2: for lack of a better word. Is Angus Taylor the right
25:14
Speaker 2: man for the job in your view?
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Speaker 3: In my view, Angus would make a fantastic leader who
25:21
Speaker 3: meets the criteria talking about the Liberal Party needs a
25:25
Speaker 3: leader on its center right. Our best leaders have always
25:28
Speaker 3: come from the center right and we need to get
25:32
Speaker 3: down to the hard work of working on a set
25:34
Speaker 3: of policies. The best moment we've had from the coalition
25:39
Speaker 3: and Liberal Party's perspective in the last nine months was
25:42
Speaker 3: when we resolved to dump net zero. That was hard
25:45
Speaker 3: work that was done between colleagues and watching Angus Taylor
25:49
Speaker 3: and Andrew Hasty walk in that room together to achieve
25:53
Speaker 3: that outcome, in my view, was the high point, and
25:55
Speaker 3: we need to get back to answering the questions that
25:58
Speaker 3: Australians want us to on immigration, on cost of living,
26:02
Speaker 3: on the cost of energy. These are the things that
26:05
Speaker 3: people will focus on, and these are things we need
26:08
Speaker 3: to release into the community after we've done the hard
26:11
Speaker 3: work which I'm sad to say absent net zero just
26:15
Speaker 3: hasn't occurred.
26:17
Speaker 2: Look, I agree with that point. But the other issue is,
26:21
Speaker 2: of course the moderates and the party. I mean you
26:23
Speaker 2: mentioned immigration there. You've got some moderates saying that they
26:26
Speaker 2: are basically they're saying they're scared of the term mass migration,
26:29
Speaker 2: they're calling inflammatory. You've got some who are saying, well,
26:31
Speaker 2: why don't we align ourselves with the tilS and make
26:33
Speaker 2: more of a centrist party, essentially taking the party more
26:36
Speaker 2: to the left, which I think that would be a disaster.
26:39
Speaker 2: So what do you do with the moderates? How do
26:42
Speaker 2: you handle this moving forward?
26:46
Speaker 3: Well, we need to come together as a team. It
26:48
Speaker 3: can't be all one way and not the other. But
26:52
Speaker 3: the battle that's raged inside the Liberal Party now over
26:55
Speaker 3: the course of the last five years, I think has
26:58
Speaker 3: been resolved by the uptake in primary vote for One Nation.
27:03
Speaker 3: For too long, this idea that we needed to lurch
27:06
Speaker 3: to the left was gaining some currency. Like myselfs and
27:10
Speaker 3: others were suggesting our real under soft underbelly was on
27:14
Speaker 3: our right flank. We're seeing that now with One Nation.
27:17
Speaker 3: And you know, if some of my colleagues are scared
27:20
Speaker 3: of the phrase mass migration. They need to get out more.
27:23
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, they need to go and speak to everyday
27:25
Speaker 3: Australians who are using that term to describe some of
27:29
Speaker 3: the frustrations they're experiencing. Whether it's when they're looking to
27:33
Speaker 3: rent a home, when they're going to an auction, whether
27:35
Speaker 3: whether they're lining up for GP services or at the hospital,
27:40
Speaker 3: or having trouble in rolling their children in schools. These
27:43
Speaker 3: are the challenges and we need a suite of policies,
27:46
Speaker 3: including on migration that speaks directly to middle Australia. That
27:52
Speaker 3: was the secret source that Howard was able to tap into,
27:55
Speaker 3: that Tony Abbott was able to tap into. We can
27:58
Speaker 3: turn this around the right leadership. We need bold policies
28:02
Speaker 3: and we need to stick together as a team and
28:04
Speaker 3: sell it as a united force.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:06
Speaker 2: Look absolutely, And as I was mentioning with the panel
28:10
Speaker 2: just before, right now there's not a lot of options
28:12
Speaker 2: for Conservative voters and you can understand why one nation
28:16
Speaker 2: is actually so popular because the Liberal Party is bleeding
28:19
Speaker 2: voters to one nation right now. So look, I mean
28:22
Speaker 2: we're all watching with bita breath to see what happens.
28:24
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Malcolm Turnbull's back
28:27
Speaker 2: with his warped two cents on the Liberal Parties, saying
28:30
Speaker 2: that they've abandoned the political center and drifted into an
28:33
Speaker 2: ideological la la land. He's even floated the idea that
28:36
Speaker 2: there should be real competition for centrist voters. Have a listen, you.
28:40
Speaker 14: Know, given that the center is the political battleground of
28:43
Speaker 14: Australian politics, there really should be some competition there. But
28:48
Speaker 14: I think regrettably the Liberal Party and the National Party
28:52
Speaker 14: at the moment are no longer buy their own choice
28:56
Speaker 14: competing in the center.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 14: I'm not about to start one today or announced one today,
29:01
Speaker 14: and I'm not you know, I'm still a member of
29:03
Speaker 14: the Liberal Party with a large help well Tony.
29:06
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's looking to announce his own
29:08
Speaker 2: centrist party and know what he's doing. But what's your
29:11
Speaker 2: response to that?
29:14
Speaker 3: Well, look, I've felt a strange force in the building today.
29:17
Speaker 3: I now know why hearing those comments. I mean, if
29:20
Speaker 3: Malcolm thinks that the Liberal and National Parties have entered
29:24
Speaker 3: some sort of la la land, the reality is people
29:27
Speaker 3: aren't leaving the Liberal Party because it's lurched too far
29:30
Speaker 3: to the right. People are leaving the Liberal Party because
29:33
Speaker 3: we aren't presenting cogent.
29:36
Speaker 2: Policies that speak to what.
29:38
Speaker 1: They're looking for.
29:39
Speaker 3: I mean, I would have loved to ask Malcolm the question, well,
29:42
Speaker 3: how is it then on your hypothesis that one nation
29:47
Speaker 3: has a primary vote close to twice that on recent
29:51
Speaker 3: newspoll of the Liberal and National parties. The truth is
29:55
Speaker 3: we're being deserted, not because we're too right wing, but
29:59
Speaker 3: because we're not center right enough, and we're not releasing
30:04
Speaker 3: policies discussing policies that respond to the needs and desires
30:08
Speaker 3: of Middle Australia in particular. And I'm sorry, Malcolm, but
30:12
Speaker 3: you probably need to spend a little less time at
30:14
Speaker 3: Point Piper and maybe a bit more time in electrics
30:18
Speaker 3: like mine, where people don't live in harbourside mansions.
30:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe just stop adding embarrassing commentary and here,
30:25
Speaker 2: there and everywhere. It's just a shocker. Really, Tony Paca, good,
30:29
Speaker 2: good to have you on. Thank you so much for
30:31
Speaker 2: joining me on the show. Really appreciate it. Stay with us.
30:33
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, a Labor MP wants the
30:36
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism Royal Commission to include racism towards indigenous people.
30:41
Speaker 2: Why must they always conflate this issue? David Adler will
30:44
Speaker 2: join me more or for more on that next welcome back.
30:51
Speaker 2: Let's return now to those ugly anti Israel and anti
30:53
Speaker 2: Australia protests. Joining me is former Australian Jewish Association president
30:58
Speaker 2: David Adler. David, it's good to see you again. Thank
31:00
Speaker 2: you so much for joining me. First, I want to
31:01
Speaker 2: start by getting your reaction to the scenes we saw
31:04
Speaker 2: last night in Sydney.
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Speaker 15: Well, it was a disgraceful display. We're supposed to have
31:11
Speaker 15: a system of law and order in this country and
31:14
Speaker 15: the court had made a decision that there was an
31:17
Speaker 15: exclusion zone for protests. Of course, the radical activists ignored
31:24
Speaker 15: the court order and they left the police with an
31:26
Speaker 15: impossible situation. I must say that there was some rejoicing
31:31
Speaker 15: in our community to finally see a bit of pushback
31:35
Speaker 15: from the New South Wales police because for two and
31:38
Speaker 15: a half years almost there's been a lack of law
31:42
Speaker 15: enforcement when it comes to the incitement of anti Semitism,
31:48
Speaker 15: and we've seen the emboldenment and the dreadful incidents which
31:54
Speaker 15: have occurred right across the country. Culminating in the fourteenth
31:57
Speaker 15: of December with the massacre at Bondei Beach. So maybe
32:01
Speaker 15: we've seen a little bit of a flicker of pushback
32:04
Speaker 15: in law enforcement, which we certainly welcome.
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Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder had that law enforcement been there
32:10
Speaker 2: on the steps of the Sydney Opera House when the
32:12
Speaker 2: Israeli flag was set alight, when where are the Jews
32:15
Speaker 2: was chanted? I mean, maybe it could have changed the
32:18
Speaker 2: trajectory of what we've seen over the last two and
32:20
Speaker 2: a bit years one hundred percent.
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Speaker 15: And that displays the lie that this is a reaction
32:26
Speaker 15: to what Israel has done in Gaza, because on the
32:29
Speaker 15: ninth of October twenty twenty three, when those opera house
32:33
Speaker 15: events occurred, Israel had done nothing, hadn't even prepared for
32:38
Speaker 15: its response of going into Gaza. So what were they doing,
32:42
Speaker 15: what were they writing about? It was more a celebration
32:46
Speaker 15: of the attack that Hamas was successful in against Israel,
32:53
Speaker 15: slaughtering twelve hundred people, taking two hundred and fifty one hostage,
32:57
Speaker 15: all the devastation in the south of Israel. And that's
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Speaker 15: what they were there at the opera House doing and
33:06
Speaker 15: zero arrests despite a range of laws being broken and
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Speaker 15: that whole area has CCTV coverage and no arrest.
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Speaker 2: And nothing at all, no exactly. Plus you know the
33:21
Speaker 2: flags of terror groups being waived. You know, week in
33:23
Speaker 2: week out, it's been everything. Let's talk about Grace Tame
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Speaker 2: and here's a reminder of what happened last night, David.
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Speaker 2: How can that be an Australian of the Year, one
33:44
Speaker 2: of the highest, probably the highest honor you'll ever get
33:47
Speaker 2: in this country, and that's on display.
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Speaker 15: Look, it's an absolute disgrace. And I was looking at that,
33:54
Speaker 15: and I was thinking, it's that Grace Tame trying to
33:57
Speaker 15: emulate Greta Thunberg in some ways, jumping on every radical cause.
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Speaker 15: But she's actually crossed an additional line. Calling globalized. The
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Speaker 15: into fada is calling for mass murder. There have been
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Speaker 15: a couple of interfadas in Israel. It's characterized by suicide bombings,
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Speaker 15: by blowing up buses with civilians in it, stabbing attacks,
34:29
Speaker 15: shooting attacks. An Australian girl, a daughter of a friend
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Speaker 15: of mine, her name was Malcolm Roth, was blown up
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Speaker 15: in a pizza parlor in Jerusalem in the second into Farda,
34:45
Speaker 15: and we saw a bit of what globalized the into
34:49
Speaker 15: Fada means when it was applied in Bondai Beach. That
34:54
Speaker 15: is what globalized into the Intavada looks like now in
34:59
Speaker 15: a Australian of the Year carries with it as status
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Speaker 15: and responsibility. She has brought that institution into disrepute. She
35:09
Speaker 15: has therefore bought brought our country into disrepute. I know
35:15
Speaker 15: that it's an arms separate from government, the National Australian
35:18
Speaker 15: Day Council, but I think the government should recommend to
35:22
Speaker 15: that council that she be stripped of the award. It
35:26
Speaker 15: is inappropriate that she carries from this day forward the
35:30
Speaker 15: status of being an Australian of the Year.
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Speaker 2: I completely agree with you. It is not an honor
35:36
Speaker 2: to give somebody who really just throws it back into
35:38
Speaker 2: our faces, throws it back into the faces of Jewish Australians.
35:42
Speaker 2: I think it was absolutely pauling and I completely agree
35:44
Speaker 2: with Barnaby Joyce's sentiments. He was very strong on this.
35:48
Speaker 2: I found this quite puzzling, David. Indigenous Australians Minister Melanderry McCarthy,
35:54
Speaker 2: she's calling for racism against Indigenous Australians to be included
35:58
Speaker 2: in the anti Semitism Royal Commission. Now what bothered me
36:01
Speaker 2: the most about this is, I mean the Prime Minister
36:04
Speaker 2: was dragged, kicking and screaming from the start to start
36:06
Speaker 2: a royal commission. But every time anti Semitism is raised,
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Speaker 2: Labor conflates it with Islamophobia. And now we have a
36:14
Speaker 2: labor and pace saying well, we can't have an anti
36:16
Speaker 2: Semitism Royal Commission without racism towards Aboriginals being included as well.
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Speaker 2: What's your response to this, Well.
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Speaker 15: You've got a question whether there was ever the intent,
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Speaker 15: even though he was dragged, kicking and screaming, as you
36:31
Speaker 15: put it, to that point, to have a legitimate royal
36:34
Speaker 15: commission that focused on the actual subject. And I don't
36:41
Speaker 15: think it's good to mix those. I think that perhaps
36:44
Speaker 15: there should be an inquiry into aboriginal issues broadly. I
36:49
Speaker 15: know that Senator just Enterprise has been calling for that
36:52
Speaker 15: for some time, particularly the financial aspects. Okay, if that
36:57
Speaker 15: is a requirement, if that has benefits to it, but
37:01
Speaker 15: we want the focus to be on the motivation, particularly
37:06
Speaker 15: of the people that undertook the massacre, which is radical
37:10
Speaker 15: Islam extremism, and what might have brought that to be
37:17
Speaker 15: and that means having a look at the actions or
37:20
Speaker 15: inactions of government. It means having a look at the
37:23
Speaker 15: sort of things that were happening in the protests for
37:26
Speaker 15: the last couple of years, which helped to seed the atmosphere.
37:32
Speaker 15: And so there's been escalation, escalation, escalation leading to a massacre.
37:37
Speaker 15: So there needs to be a laser focus on causation.
37:42
Speaker 15: Why our organization had reservations about the hate speech laws
37:46
Speaker 15: because it raises a whole series of peripheral issues rather
37:50
Speaker 15: than focusing on what happened at Bondai Beech.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and this Royal Commission needs focus. There's so much
37:57
Speaker 2: that's happened. We can't be conflating this issue with this issue.
38:00
Speaker 2: It solely has to be focused on the last few
38:02
Speaker 2: years and more. David Ada, good to have you in
38:05
Speaker 2: the studio. Thank you so much for joining me. Really
38:07
Speaker 2: appreciate your time stay with us. Coming up after the break,
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Speaker 2: the newly appointed top intelligence official warns Islamic extremism is
38:14
Speaker 2: absolutely not a thing of the past, that its persistence
38:18
Speaker 2: is remarkable. That's next, welcome back.
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Speaker 16: Well.
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Speaker 2: The new head of the Office of National Intelligence, Kathy Klogman,
38:27
Speaker 2: is warning Islamist extremism remains a top threat to Australia.
38:31
Speaker 2: Here she was at Senate estimates.
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Speaker 17: It remains a very close focus of many colleagues across
38:39
Speaker 17: the national intelligence community. The problem globally of Islamic extremist
38:45
Speaker 17: terrorism remains right up the top of the list when
38:50
Speaker 17: it comes to global extremist action and terrorism threats.
38:56
Speaker 2: And yet I am yet to see Tony Burke boot
38:59
Speaker 2: out one radical Islamic hate preacher. But of course when
39:02
Speaker 2: it comes to neo Nazis is all over it. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this and more strategic analysis Australia
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Speaker 2: Director Michael Schubridge. Michael, thank you so much for your time.
39:11
Speaker 2: So she's saying Islamic extremism is not a thing of
39:14
Speaker 2: the past. Is this just a reassessment or a reminder?
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Speaker 16: Well, it's really interesting is that it goes. Her predecessor
39:23
Speaker 16: as the head of the Office of National Intelligence, gave
39:27
Speaker 16: two statements to Parliament in October and early December last year,
39:31
Speaker 16: and there was a laundry list of threats and challenges
39:34
Speaker 16: to Australia that he mentioned the authoritarian axis of foreign
39:39
Speaker 16: economic coercion, espionage, cyber transnational crime. But on that list
39:45
Speaker 16: there was not global Islamist terrorism as a threat to Australia.
39:50
Speaker 16: So back then it wasn't at the top of mind.
39:53
Speaker 16: But now we're told by his replacement that global Islamist
39:57
Speaker 16: terrorism remains at the top of the list. This does
40:01
Speaker 16: look a little bit like a polite rewriting of history
40:04
Speaker 16: in the aftermath of the Bondie attacks.
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Speaker 2: But shouldn't that worry all of us then? I mean,
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Speaker 2: if it's only just coming about now, or they're openly
40:12
Speaker 2: saying what have they been doing for the past ten
40:15
Speaker 2: fifteen years, it's not a new concept. Yeah.
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Speaker 16: This again, if you go back to what Andrew Shearer
40:24
Speaker 16: said to the Parliament as he was departing. He talked
40:27
Speaker 16: glowingly about how capable our national intelligence community was and
40:32
Speaker 16: how they'd uplifted their skills and they were so well
40:35
Speaker 16: placed to protect Australia from the threats that we faced.
40:39
Speaker 16: And as I say, about a week after he gave
40:42
Speaker 16: that statement, in early December, there was the Bondie attack,
40:46
Speaker 16: the worst terrorist attack in our history. So I think
40:49
Speaker 16: there's an aura of self protection and complacency in our
40:54
Speaker 16: national intelligence community around terrorism. I know there are dedicated
40:59
Speaker 16: people in different AIS agencies but frankly, it was not
41:02
Speaker 16: top of mind. And now it's back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it should so we'd hope it's top of
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Speaker 2: mind now, that's for sure. I found it interesting, Michael.
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Speaker 2: The intelligence had also talked about the growing problems from
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Speaker 2: what she described as a more chaotic, disordered world. What
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Speaker 2: is this? Who's creating this chaotic world?
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Speaker 16: Well, again, I think it's what she's not saying that
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Speaker 16: is interesting here. So you can get our intelligence folk
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Speaker 16: to talk about the axis of authoritarianism, so China, Russia, Iran,
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Speaker 16: and North Korea. But unfortunately there's some destabilizing happening in
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Speaker 16: the US alliance network and some of that is this
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Speaker 16: radical shift in how the Trump administration views allies and
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Speaker 16: partners as problems, not advantages. And our officials are silent
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Speaker 16: on this, but frankly it should be making us rethink
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Speaker 16: many things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And you mentioned China there. That has to
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Speaker 2: be number one on the rethink list. China's done us
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Speaker 2: wrong in more ways than one, especially when it comes
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Speaker 2: to defense. It's not what friends do. She also spoke
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Speaker 2: there about backing the view that the Indo Pacific is
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Speaker 2: this EPI center. What does it actually mean day to
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Speaker 2: day for Australia, Well.
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Speaker 16: It should mean a lot, but it appears not to
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Speaker 16: mean as much as you would think. A defense is
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Speaker 16: going to have its cented estimates. Grilling tomorrow in the
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Speaker 16: Parliament here. I hope that in that questioning they say
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Speaker 16: why the Albanesi government is shoveling two point six billion
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Speaker 16: dollars out of the defense budget over the next four years,
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Speaker 16: which is a reduction from the plan they revealed in
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Speaker 16: the budget last year. So Australia should be lifting our
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Speaker 16: defense spending quite significantly. Japan is doubling theirs, for example,
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Speaker 16: But we're really sitting on our head and hoping everything's
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Speaker 16: going to be fine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and I have discussed this before. Two
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Speaker 2: point six billion doesn't seem like a good bang for
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Speaker 2: your buck when you consider that the amount of sight's
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Speaker 2: actually being sold, and as you mentioned, it's certainly leaving
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Speaker 2: us open. Michael Schubridge, I've got a sorry.
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Speaker 16: About extra money that's been cut. I'm talking about extra money,
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Speaker 16: not the property sales money. This is two point six
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Speaker 16: billion in cuts over the next four years, cuts to
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Speaker 16: the defense budget from the plan the government put forward
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Speaker 16: in last year's budget.
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Speaker 2: Wow, so it's even on top of that. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just a disaster, Michael. Unfortunately, we've got to leave
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Speaker 2: it there. It's good to see you as always. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for joining me on the program. Coming
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Speaker 2: up after the break, King Charles pledges to cooperate with
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Speaker 2: police as the Andrew and Epstein saga continues. Plus Keir
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Speaker 2: Starmer digs in, telling MPs that he won't walk away
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Speaker 2: as labels civil war goes public will get gb News
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Speaker 2: host Emily Carver's read on both of those. Next back,
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Speaker 2: King Charles says he will support the police investigation into
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Speaker 2: his brother Andrew as it probes the former Royals links
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Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein. In a statement, Buckingham Pallace says, while
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Speaker 2: the specific claims in question are for mister mount Batton
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Speaker 2: Windsor to address, if we are approached by Thames Valley Police,
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Speaker 2: we stand ready to support them as you would expect.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is gbing New's host Emily Carver, Emily,
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Speaker 2: good to see you. Thank you for joining me. Look,
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Speaker 2: we've saw the King heckled even in public this week
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Speaker 2: over this. Is this the Palace drawing a line under
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Speaker 2: Andrew or trying to contain the damage.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I think it's very difficult for them to
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Speaker 13: draw the line. I mean, he's already stripped. The King
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Speaker 13: has already stripped his brother of all his royal titles.
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Speaker 13: He's being moved from one house to another, to a
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Speaker 13: smaller place to live, away from Buckingham Palace, away from
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Speaker 13: his brother, the monarch. But is it enough. I think
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Speaker 13: an increasingly an increasingly large number of people want to
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Speaker 13: see him go to Congress and testify. They want to
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Speaker 13: see true stability. I mean, the King being ready, standing,
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Speaker 13: ready to work with the police over his brother is
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Speaker 13: quite an extraordinary development, isn't it. Of course this relates
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Speaker 13: to Andrew's previous role as the UK's trade Envoy. Now
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Speaker 13: the allegations are that he may have abused his role
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Speaker 13: by sharing confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein, which would be
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Speaker 13: a huge abuse of his position. Of course, there's been
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Speaker 13: a stream of other CD allegations against the former princes
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Speaker 13: in the last few days, relating to hosting Epstein and
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Speaker 13: young foreign women in Buckingham Palace while the late Queen
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Speaker 13: was away in power moral that Andrew has, of course
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Speaker 13: vehemently denied any wrongdoing, but the palace being forced to
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Speaker 13: issue such a statement, King Charles Hearing heckling every time
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Speaker 13: he seems to go out and about in this country.
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Speaker 13: I do wonder if more needs to be done now
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Speaker 13: to try and to try and make sure that there
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Speaker 13: is a sense of accountability in this country. Stripping his
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Speaker 13: titles may not be enough.
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Speaker 2: No, look, I think you're completely right, and I thought
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Speaker 2: that was an extraordinary statement by Buckingham Palace to put
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Speaker 2: it out. We don't often see those sorts of statements.
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Speaker 2: But look, it's not looking good for the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Kiirs Starmer over there, and the fallout from the Epstein
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Speaker 2: files having a massive impact on him. We saw a
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Speaker 2: senior labor figure in Scotland broke ranks and called for
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Speaker 2: him to go, blaming failures at the heart of Downing Street.
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Speaker 2: In a closed meeting with labor MPs, Starmer made it
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Speaker 2: clear he's not going anywhere. He said, I have won
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Speaker 2: every fight I've ever been in, after having fought so
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Speaker 2: hard for the chance to change our country. I'm not
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Speaker 2: prepared to walk away from my mandate and all my
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Speaker 2: responsibility to my country, or to plunge us into chaos
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Speaker 2: as others have done. Emily, I noticed that Starmer was
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Speaker 2: in a cabinet meeting an hour ago, interested to see
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Speaker 2: the outcome there. But can he really survive this?
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Speaker 13: Yes, I mean cabinet meetings are sometimes half an hour,
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Speaker 13: there's sometimes two and a half hours. I'm sure this
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Speaker 13: one will be a particularly long one, as kissed Darma
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Speaker 13: fights for his political life. But yes, at the moment,
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Speaker 13: we still do have a government, the cabinet a meeting.
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Speaker 13: But the question is how long can he seriously cling on?
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Speaker 13: Yesterday was an absolute circus, a day of resignations, the
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Speaker 13: labor leader in Scotland calling for him to resign, talk
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Speaker 13: of cabinet ministers launching a coup, ministers briefing against each other,
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Speaker 13: Ministers even sharing their own messages with Mandelson to try
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Speaker 13: and I don't know get the on the front foot
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Speaker 13: b Kistarma, yes, decide rather than step down, he'd round
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Speaker 13: up all his MPs into a competing room and essentially
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Speaker 13: beg them to stick with him. But the only reason
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Speaker 13: I think he's still in this position, that he is
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Speaker 13: still Prime Minister, and that the cabinet are still backing him,
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Speaker 13: at least publicly, is because absolute government is the most
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Speaker 13: unpopular in decades and decades and decades, if not ever,
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Speaker 13: and we've got elections coming up, so I don't think
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Speaker 13: anyone in that cabinet is currently thinking, you know what,
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Speaker 13: I want to be the man or the woman to
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Speaker 13: take our party into those elections and get an absolute thumping.
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Speaker 13: So he lives another day.
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Speaker 2: He lives another day, well for for how long? We'll say,
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Speaker 2: and we're on my sad time, but how much has
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Speaker 2: this diminished public trust in labor? Okay, it looks like
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Speaker 2: we've lost Emily Carver there, but I.
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Speaker 13: Mean absolutely massively. I mean Peter Mandelson.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it does look like we've lost Emily Carver there,
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Speaker 2: but look, I mean this is a massive problem for
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Speaker 2: UK labor right now. I don't know how much longer
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Speaker 2: Kios Starmer can stay there. You've even got the Deputy
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Speaker 2: David Lammy, who's an absolute fool himself, coming out saying
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Speaker 2: that he had warned Kir Starmer about Peter Mandelsson. You've
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Speaker 2: got his rivals shaping themselves up and you know what
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Speaker 2: this does. This is very very good for reform UK.
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Speaker 2: Nigel Faraj would be sitting there going this is exactly
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Speaker 2: what he would want, so keep doing it. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: that's what they're saying. Thank you for your company, shrry
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Speaker 2: me back tomorrow tomorrow night. Now it is time for
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Speaker 2: Paul Murray. Good night,