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You’ve Never Heard Army Ghost Stories Like These Before (w Suresh Sandrasagaran) · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: I actually had the, the 3rd man I put right
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the jungle. I heard him having
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  Speaker 1: a conversation, like he was literally having a conversation. There
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  Speaker 1: were giggles. This is in Taiwan, OK, in the mountain,
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  Speaker 1: and we are like in the middle of nowhere. The
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  Speaker 1: next slide I see is like way, way far away.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no way nobody's going to come here and
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  Speaker 1: the voices were children.
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  Speaker 1: My name is
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  Speaker 2: Suresh. My name is, my name is Wayne. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired
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  Speaker 2: by the classic horror series. We explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 2: Let me introduce our exciting guest for today's episode. Suresh
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  Speaker 2: Sanja Segaran is an actor, artist, and stunt director who
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  Speaker 2: has appeared in Media Corp shows like Third Rail and
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  Speaker 2: Alienated and even owns his own modeling agency.
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  Speaker 2: Suresh, welcome to the show, my man.
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  Speaker 2: It's
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  Speaker 1: a privilege.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, we're happy to have you here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So today we'll be hearing about Suresh's time in the military,
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  Speaker 2: whether he encountered any supernatural beings and how he brings
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  Speaker 2: together all the recruits and what he wishes that was
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  Speaker 2: more represented in the army horror media, as well as
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  Speaker 2: the importance of horror content in our day and age.
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  Speaker 2: This episode was inspired by the classic Incredible Tales episode,
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  Speaker 2: Third Door. The island in Singapore where military training is
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  Speaker 2: conducted has a long history of allegedly being hunted. From
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  Speaker 2: supernatural sightings at basic military training BMT to pre-military tales
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  Speaker 2: of restless spirits from the island's colonial past, this island
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  Speaker 2: has reached law full of urban legends.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us about your time in the army and if
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  Speaker 2: you have uh any supernatural encounters that you face alone. Yeah, so,
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  Speaker 1: OK, the island is just something that people always generally
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  Speaker 1: just use the island to island, but actually the island
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  Speaker 1: that we live in is way bigger and we have
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  Speaker 1: much more more history that even includes the other island
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  Speaker 1: to where the beaches are, there's always a history in
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  Speaker 1: the
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  Speaker 1: Uh, well, there is a particular island that we use
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  Speaker 1: slice all the time, used to be an execution ground
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  Speaker 1: during Japanese occupation. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: we have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of, uh, yeah, we have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: islands in Singapore that, that, that were used and are
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  Speaker 2: still in use for military use that you cannot go out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so I'm not
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  Speaker 2: surprised.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are some rules to where you can dig,
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  Speaker 1: where you cannot dig, what you should do and shouldn't do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, those rules didn't just come up because of, uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's always a reason there's always being passed on. I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure at this point in time they just don't
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  Speaker 1: know why.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it would just, let's just go with the
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  Speaker 1: flow and just listen to what they want.
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  Speaker 2: No, not that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I mean, I'm just gonna jump right in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they are, they want me to ask this question. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: you were in the military for more than 10 years, right? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And what was the scariest story that you have actually
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  Speaker 2: personally encountered?
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  Speaker 2: Wow,
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  Speaker 1: OK. Um, this was in Taiwan actually. So, uh, this
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  Speaker 1: was the time where I was a platoon sergeant. So obviously, uh,
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  Speaker 1: FUP is what we do early in the morning, so
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  Speaker 1: I got to bring 3 men with me to the
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  Speaker 1: location where we're supposed to be and I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 1: deploy them 2 by the road and 1 right in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the jungle where the triangle is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be.
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  Speaker 1: So, and there's only 4 of us and the entire
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  Speaker 1: platoon is supposed to be coming in around what, 23 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: ish around there. So we had all the time to
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  Speaker 1: be alone there, you know, so like standby and cover,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 1: And uh while I was there, I actually had the,
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  Speaker 1: the 3rd man I put right in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the jungle. I heard him having a conversation, like he
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  Speaker 1: was literally having a conversation. There were giggles. This is
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  Speaker 1: in Taiwan, OK, in the mountain and we are like
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. The next slide I see
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  Speaker 1: is like way, way far away. So
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  Speaker 1: There's no way nobody is gonna come here and and
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  Speaker 1: the voices were children, not adults. So as I was
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  Speaker 1: walking closer to him, I mean obviously I need to,
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  Speaker 1: as much as I don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just bite the bullet on this one. So I
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  Speaker 1: was walking towards him and then next thing I heard
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  Speaker 1: was like footsteps and the leaves rustling. So I'm, I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming they can't, it's like when children run away, you know, and, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and he was like, Sergeant, what, what do you mean
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  Speaker 1: you just scare them away? I was like, I scared them.
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  Speaker 1: Do you, do you realize I'm the only guy here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I scare them away. Just like, yeah, they
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  Speaker 1: are kids. I was like, again, you're in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the jungle, and you know, comparison, we had the biscuits, right?
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  Speaker 1: So on the floor there were actually biscuits with a
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  Speaker 1: child's bite mark at the ages. So we do know
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  Speaker 1: there was a child there. So I'm still kind of assuming,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how people in the village
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  Speaker 1: in the mountains actually, they are nice people there. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how flexible are they with the kids
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  Speaker 1: running around at one a.m. in the middle of the jungle.
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  Speaker 1: So I just let it be, you know, I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's fine. So yeah, after a while the
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  Speaker 1: platoon came, blah blah, everything was happening, and uh in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, so, uh, it's still a little bit very
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  Speaker 1: mild mountain, so that's where we usually go and do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we pee or we brush our teeth or
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  Speaker 1: we freshen up. That's usually where we are, we do it.
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  Speaker 1: So my captain and my inmate, they went up first,
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  Speaker 1: and next thing you know, because I'm the platoon sergeant,
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  Speaker 1: they turned around and said, Suresh, tell the platoon do
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  Speaker 1: not come up.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, OK,
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  Speaker 2: yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sure, I mean, ask them to find another place. Don't
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  Speaker 1: come up here. It's I don't do that. So of course,
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  Speaker 1: after saying that to my platoon, I went up to Ku,
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  Speaker 1: of course, and I didn't know what's going on. It
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  Speaker 1: was a child cemetery.
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  Speaker 2: Oh
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  Speaker 2: my God.
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  Speaker 1: It, it was like the, the headstones were there and
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  Speaker 1: with the pictures, the names, and there was like, actually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had a theory, so I just wanted to,
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  Speaker 1: so I called the guy up. I called my man.
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  Speaker 1: I was like.
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  Speaker 1: The children are down there like this is the child cemetery.
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  Speaker 1: Then he look, you look at, he looked at the headstones.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, you know the picture there, right? He's like, yeah, this,
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  Speaker 1: this is a, this is the and one particular girl
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  Speaker 1: that is very familiar because she had something like very familiar.
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  Speaker 1: This is the girl who was like.
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  Speaker 1: She was there and I was like, OK, so we
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  Speaker 1: had another Taiwanese, our driver, and uh he was there
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  Speaker 1: and then uh we were talking about it, so they
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  Speaker 1: don't really speak English so much. So my friend was
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  Speaker 1: like trying to ask him like, is this like normal?
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  Speaker 1: And he said this, this word me so
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  Speaker 2: uh uh is basically the, the, the legend of the mountain, uh,
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  Speaker 2: mountain spirit slash demon.
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  Speaker 1: She always comes with a female child.
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  Speaker 2: She's red color. She, she, she wears red and she
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  Speaker 2: will trick people into following them and then they, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: they will take them, like literally take them away. Yeah. Then,
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  Speaker 2: then she's like a mountain spirit, she's there. And she
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  Speaker 2: actually has been caught on a VHS tape before in
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  Speaker 2: the 90s.
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  Speaker 2: By a bunch of, I think Taiwanese who were like
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  Speaker 2: walking in the hiking in the mountains and Taiwan is
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  Speaker 2: very mountainous, so yeah, she's all around there and there's
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  Speaker 2: been films about her, it's called the Literate Girl.
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  Speaker 2: But she's not a girl. She's something evil, she's evil.
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  Speaker 1: So I would put them under like, like gin. They
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  Speaker 1: don't belong anywhere, but they have the right to decide
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  Speaker 1: how they want to run and they have their own
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  Speaker 1: independent way of running this thing. Yeah, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, after reading up on this,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like I was like a few seconds away
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  Speaker 1: from physically seeing her.
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  Speaker 2: But I think when the, the higher your rank, the
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  Speaker 2: stronger your aura is because you're in charge of the
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  Speaker 2: lives of so many men, right? And then the spirit
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  Speaker 2: will get scared. So maybe the spirit got ran away.
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  Speaker 2: But what is fascinating is that that spirit is actually
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  Speaker 2: able to manifest in the form of biting into a biscuit.
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  Speaker 2: Digestive biscuit form
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  Speaker 1: digestive
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  Speaker 2: biscuit OK lah. Not bad, not bad. I think they
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to try the MRE.
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  Speaker 1: We usually give our rations the sweet one, the biscuit
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  Speaker 1: or the fruit, the snacks to kids because we go
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  Speaker 1: to places where there are children, you know, because they
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  Speaker 1: are very friendly and they're really nice people, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: that, that soldier, he was, I presume he was conversing
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  Speaker 2: to the thing in Mandarin.
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  Speaker 1: I think he became very um religious after that.
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  Speaker 2: But Mandarin, right, you, you heard them speaking in Mandarin
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  Speaker 2: when you were, but you couldn't tell.
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  Speaker 1: I was 2 a.m. I'm, I'm lucky I'm hearing things.
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  Speaker 1: I was an autopilot, to be honest, but that talking
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit of the thing. I was concerned
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  Speaker 1: of his mental health. I was like, is he,
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  Speaker 2: yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so was that one of the scariest moments?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, that is the, uh, I would say that's
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  Speaker 1: uh C grade actually.
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  Speaker 2: C grade, yeah, got B grade, A grade.
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  Speaker 2: Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that one is, well, that's next level of B grade
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  Speaker 1: one was like the guy. So what happened was we
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  Speaker 1: were training and um.
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  Speaker 1: My sergeant wasn't feeling well and he still followed us.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you know, so of course you're
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  Speaker 1: not training and then you know when you want to pee,
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  Speaker 1: you just, yeah, I think about my home, you just
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  Speaker 1: front of the bush and it was in the jungle,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, so, uh, so he, he peed in
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  Speaker 1: a tree and um when he came back, right, there
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  Speaker 1: was a shift in his behavior.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't as normal. I know he was sick, so
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  Speaker 1: that was, uh, excuse me, we were going by, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there was not feeling well. So everything was done and
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  Speaker 1: in the vehicle when you're going back, see this is
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  Speaker 1: where things got a little bit more intense. So beside my,
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  Speaker 1: beside him, there was another sergeant, and he's a Buddhist,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they have the amulets and uh he, he
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  Speaker 1: was like, we always sitting down when we're going back
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  Speaker 1: to camp, we tend to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: And you can hear him behind like ow, ow, ow,
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  Speaker 1: the the my the other sergeant, the Buddhist sergeant, he
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  Speaker 1: was like ow, ow, and he's holding on to his
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  Speaker 1: chest and I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, are you OK? Like what's going on? And then
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  Speaker 1: he was like trying to take out his amulet and
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  Speaker 1: all three cracked.
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  Speaker 1: All three amulet cracked. So to us, that's not really
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  Speaker 1: a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: He was sitting beside this sergeant who actually went to
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  Speaker 1: pee and he was like, you know, and all three
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  Speaker 1: cracked and he got a little bit worried and paranoid.
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  Speaker 1: So he was like standing up and looking everywhere except
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  Speaker 1: beside him. And this guy was like, he, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the the last end of the bus where you sit, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was like dead staring right up to nowhere, not,
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  Speaker 1: not even a person. So we came back to camp
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  Speaker 1: and we were cleaning our weapons as per normal.
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  Speaker 1: And he wasn't there. So obviously, I went to the
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  Speaker 1: commander's bunk and he was sitting in front of an
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  Speaker 1: open cupboard and looking at the window. And of course
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  Speaker 1: I scolded him. I was like, you know, everybody's clean
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  Speaker 1: the weapon, you got to check your men, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can't just do this kind of thing. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: even move. He just stood up, he walked to the bed,
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  Speaker 1: he just lie down and he just looked out the
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  Speaker 1: nothing and so I was like, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: That's, that's tomorrow's problem. Let's go and do the job.
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  Speaker 1: And then my CSM went to the commander's bunk at
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  Speaker 1: the door, and, uh, of course, you know, if the,
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  Speaker 1: if your in goes to the door and one of
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  Speaker 1: your commanders is sleeping, you know, next thing is Merry Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: So all the euphemisms. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he just, he looked at me. So I'm the one
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  Speaker 1: sitting close to the door. He just looked at me like,
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  Speaker 1: gather all the commanders into the bunk, and I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is definitely Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: So I called my commanders and I went in first
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  Speaker 1: so I can go to the last cupboard and hide
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  Speaker 1: behind because it's going to be a long conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But when I went in, he was like, carry him
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  Speaker 1: because he was on the floor. He's like carry him,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's not feeling well. So I was the
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  Speaker 1: first guy in the bunk as my commanders were coming in,
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  Speaker 1: so I decided to lift him up from under his
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  Speaker 1: arm from the back. I couldn't. He was so heavy,
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  Speaker 1: like so, so heavy. I was literally like using every
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  Speaker 1: force and then my 234 commanders lifting him up.
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  Speaker 1: Even at this point we're still looking at it medically.
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  Speaker 1: We thought like muscle cramp or something. So we put
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  Speaker 1: a chair, we put him on the chair, we removed,
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: started removing his boots, stretcher came in, we made him
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  Speaker 1: lie down to rush him to the medical center. So
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  Speaker 1: he was lying down. We were like strapping him up,
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  Speaker 1: took off his boots. Now this is where things took
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  Speaker 1: a turn because as I grabbed the handle of the head,
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  Speaker 1: his head went all the way back. This part of
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: his head was touching the back of his, and he's
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  Speaker 1: looking straight at me and there was no, it was white.
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  Speaker 1: That's when I dropped it. I like, yeah, OK, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, not in the contract.
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  Speaker 1: OK, I've done many, but this is not what
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  Speaker 1: And my, of course my in to reassure like no
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  Speaker 1: no I think he's just this is normal, this is
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  Speaker 1: like he's not feeling well. I was like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think so too. You better be not feeling well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what is going on. So we rushed
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  Speaker 1: him to the medical center and uh this is where,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: and we all were there and then it took 7
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  Speaker 1: of us to lie on the bed to pin him
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  Speaker 1: down because we're trying to IV him, like muscle relaxing him.
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  Speaker 1: We couldn't, we just couldn't, we just really couldn't, and
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  Speaker 1: he was like all over the place. He started puking.
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  Speaker 1: And I was lying on his chest, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: and now this is where things really took a turn
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  Speaker 1: because in Malay, he asked she in a female voice,
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  Speaker 1: this is what she said, Where is my son? And
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  Speaker 1: in a female voice, in the most highest screeching pitch voice,
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  Speaker 1: and all seven of us, and she just like started like,
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  Speaker 1: Where is my son? And it's like that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was like I just then we just started
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  Speaker 1: to let go and this is the best part uh
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  Speaker 1: we actually have a BO on standby really camps do
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  Speaker 1: have a bomo on standby. Most of the camps like
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  Speaker 1: speed dial they just came and the guy was like
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  Speaker 1: fully uh dressed with the crates. The guy was serious
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  Speaker 1: like he has done this many times again, not in
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  Speaker 1: the contract.
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  Speaker 1: I would like these things to be done, you know.
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  Speaker 1: He just came in and he was like get out, go,
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  Speaker 1: go out. I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: Is it better be some inche from some other camp
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  Speaker 1: just from a party or something, just walked in and
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  Speaker 1: he came in and then there were two commanders inside
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  Speaker 1: just to and he was like full on, full on.
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  Speaker 1: And he came out, he said that, uh, when he peed,
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  Speaker 1: apparently female entity was sitting on the tree and the
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  Speaker 1: sun was below. So when he peed, the child was
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  Speaker 1: scared and ran away. Uh, so she was, couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: him and she was angry with him, which is why
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  Speaker 1: she went straight to him and came and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: so this is just a missed call, right?
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  Speaker 1: That's that's one way to put it, yeah, and uh
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  Speaker 1: he's like, no, you don't, you don't think they just
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  Speaker 1: need an excuse sometimes, just an excuse to disturb you
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  Speaker 1: because they will come back. I mean no matter where
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  Speaker 1: whatever but they come back and he took over him
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  Speaker 1: and I could see him literally uh being
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  Speaker 1: Like on a whole, like as much as Bomo was
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  Speaker 1: doing his thing, I could see that uh he visually,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't see what the the entity in the spirit,
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  Speaker 1: but I can see how his body is moving like
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  Speaker 1: something is like coming out, but it's grabbing onto him
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  Speaker 1: for dear life and refused to go and his whole
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: attitude and his behavior started to change. You can hear
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  Speaker 1: certain part of his uh and his hands all like
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: cramping up and it was just really strange and um.
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  Speaker 1: After he got everything sorted out, they told like uh
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  Speaker 1: one of the commanders had to stay back with him
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  Speaker 1: in the bunk one.
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  Speaker 2: Nice
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  Speaker 1: one, and uh I don't know whether the most garang
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: soldiers get very comical when they are scared to death. Uh,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: my in had to just add on like guys just
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: bring a Bible along very casual, so of course this
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: is bring a Bible along and this is what my
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: commander's reply was, I think it's a Malay goes, Should
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: we get Koran or somewhere.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Like how does this work? Like, I don't know. It's
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: not like we do this for a living, you know.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: And my NCA was like very casual, like it's it's common,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: it's common. Apparently in Brunei, every time we go to Brunei,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: one guy gets it all the time.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: All the time to a level where when a men
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: come and say, oh, I think somebody's like, yeah, tomorrow, tomorrow,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: same thing every time.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: It's a very casual thing nowadays when you say that
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: they had a BO on standby. What does that mean
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: that Bomo was in the camp or no, no, he's
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: just waiting for them to give a call, kind of thing,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: not
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: waiting. I mean,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: quite scary.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: It's then they gave me a pager at 20m you know.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: So he, he, he, it's the number that they'll call specifically,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I think he's
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: a civilian, uh, uh, spiritualist who does this kind of things, but, uh,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, even our buries all baptized by all the religion,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: yeah, because I, I, I keep hearing like there's that
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: weirdly enough for some reason we've been having this back
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: and forth debate amongst a lot of people that we've,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: we've seen where they're not sure whether it's.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: The batteries are actually blessed.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: All of them are actually blessed, but how effective it is,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm kind of going with a battery
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. They just charge it up and never
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: recharge it. So at one point of time the thing
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't work.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the the blessing for what I understand is that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: blessings last mostly like a year, at least for the
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Chinese side of things are like talismans a year, that
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the power will not be gone 100%, but it's like
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: maybe like 10%. So, when do you, when do they
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: bless the thing? Like one year, once a year? You're
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: talking about beret? Yeah, when, when we receive it means
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: it's blessed, allegedly, allegedly it's blessed. Honestly, I, I, I,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is because there, there has been,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: there's been an official statement that they said that it's not.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: You, you.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I'm walking around
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: with a handful with no battery.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: But is it like, like, um, because logistically speaking, right,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: there's so many soldiers. How can you bless every single one,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: right? I think it's a badge. Uh, I think in the,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know how true that is, but I actually
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: have seen, I think you can still see it online when, uh,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the priest actually goes and bless the building they're building
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: it because even my camp, like for my unit, um,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: every time after, before last night 7, we have to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: go and put joysticks and everything.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: We know, we know at this point of time, we just,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: we just accepted it to a level where it's very casual.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: We've seen the one without, without the head before in
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: torso in one of the abandoned buildings in the middle
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: of the jungle in Taiwan. Taiwan is some serious problem.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: What do
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you see? I don't, don't casually brush over the I
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: saw a headless
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: ghost.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It's, uh, well, we were walking in the jungle, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: then we saw we saw an abandoned building. Those are like, um,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: like Godsend for us to go, you find a friendlier
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: flat ground or not somewhere.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: So we were there, the whole building was like demolished,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: like halfway through demolished.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: My entire platoon was there and then um we all
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna be staying there overnight. That was the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: deal and then my, I don't know what my in
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: had to just say it's like, OK guys, uh, just
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: don't look up. Everybody's being casual. We were fine until
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: he said that. Please don't look up. Everybody just look up.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: We actually saw a torso.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And we didn't know what it was and then when
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: he turned, it was actually a full torso, but there
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: was no head. and we were still trying to figure
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it out. And then I don't know why we were
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: still trying to do this when we know that we
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be. Yeah. And then at one point of time
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: we just like, yeah, you know what, just, just, just
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: forget it. That night my medic got uh possessed. He
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: just stood up and he started running into the jungle.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: We saw him running from uh bushes to bushes. Then
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: he came back, he puked, then he went bushes to bushes,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: then he came back, he slept. Next morning I asked
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: him what happened, he said, my entire body is so painful.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: It's like so heavy. I, I don't know, it's like
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: he's the bruises and wounds, you know, like.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not that bad.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Did
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: anybody try to like when he start, I'm sure y'all did,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: but did anybody try to stop him?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It was 2 a.m. Everybody was out.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Then who knew that he was running around.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I was living with him.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, so you saw, yeah, but you never go after him, no.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Smart choice. Like what can you do? So tell the whole,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the whole platoon and like what? What?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'd rather fight with one than all of them. What
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: if there's like a few more waiting for somebody to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: wake up and then suddenly 10 people wake up all
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: 10 and I'm the one running around?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true, yeah, but like, wow, that's quite
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: wrong because I'm
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: sergeant,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: so obviously I won't get possessed a high rank.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: You just got to go back to sleep. The funny
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: thing is that they saw a abandon. OK, we're gonna
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: sleep here. Yeah, no, I mean like, and then they
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: saw a torso and they're like we're still gonna sleep here. Wait, you,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: when you approached the abandon meeting, was it at night
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: or in the day? Oh, night. Oh, so that,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: OK, yeah, it's a night at least Taiwan, there's light.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Brunei 0, you should know this like you know once
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: last before the last slide you can't even see your
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: hand and uh to pee and all is very risky.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: That was actually where we actually got helped by.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: An entity before, which is actually interesting because we were
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: too tired to realize the details. He actually helped us
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: come out of the lost thing. We were like in
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a loop. We just couldn't find ourselves.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: OK, is this a little bit number A, the A scenario,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the scariest one you say I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: don't
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: know
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: scariest C,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: B, and A.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: one is haven't got to A.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I'm still in
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: BNC,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: BNC like this B and C. This guy is next level.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Could you tell us a little bit more about that?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: You said you like you were lost and an entity
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: helped you find your way out.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: We
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: did everything right, right? We are trackers. I got rangers
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: in my team. I got pathfinders. These guys are like
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: this is what they do for a living. They're trained,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and this is Brunei, right? Yeah. And yet we were
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: following everything. Everything was right, and we couldn't find the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: way out back, OK.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: We couldn't hear the like on the coms. They were
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: saying that they were hunting the vehicle. They were fighting
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: for us, flashes on, headlight on, but we cannot find anything.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: We were walking and walking. We're like, we are professionals
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in the field, so we knew how to handle this situation.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But no matter how we did it, we just couldn't
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: find the way back. So we were a little bit like, OK,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: this is not, um, and this is the funny part, we,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: we actually saw this old uncle who came with a sarong.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And he was carrying this lantern. We were too tired
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and too focused on what we wanted to do. We
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: didn't realize the details on, oh, OK, his uncle, whatever,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you know, this thing. He was carrying this old school lantern.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: He didn't say a word. He just looked at us,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: then he just said, come. So we, we didn't have,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: we like, OK, I mean, what else could go wrong?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: At least somebody is willing to like, he just called us,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, come like, and we were too overconfident on
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: our combat skills.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Not we didn't think that level yet, so we followed
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: him and he walked out straight to the road, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: he was less than 20 m away, which means I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: could be able to see the road, but I couldn't.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: There are rules, you do not sleep in the path.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: In the jungle, there's always a lot of paths where
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: people walk, they tend to have a trail. Never tie
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: your hammock across.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Cause you like it or not
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Things will actually walk across and if you're blocking it,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: they are not gonna stop. So if you happen to
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: be on the wrong time, wrong, you know, you're weak
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: or physically, when you walk past it, just feels comfortable, then,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: then you are it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But like for anybody who's not gone through national service, um,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: what are some of the more common
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: things that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you need to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: do?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: First thing is always be respectful, right?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Despite of, uh, where, who, what, which kind of goals,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: what kind of religion, doesn't matter. Do be due respect
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and don't offend it. Don't do stupid things, spin around,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: then just go and do, just go there and open
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: mind and take everything with a pinch of salt. When
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: things happen, make sure you are able to be in
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a clear head to make a decision.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes when they lose control of the thought patterns,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you tend to dig your grave even deeper. I actually
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: had a recruit who was scared of ghosts, but he
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: was like first year of his enlistment.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And um he refused to go up to his bunk.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: He was in the office and I was a CSM
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: then and then he was like, so why is this
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: guy here? Oh, I'm scared of ghosts. I don't know
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: what to do with that information.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what pest status you are if you
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: excuse ghosts.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's a
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: thing. Excuse. What? What is that?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm excuse
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: ghost.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Like allergy to ghosts, allergic to ghosts, allergy to spirits.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I would be surprised.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Excuse ghosts. I would
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: be surprised. Maybe 5 years down the road like you
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: should have.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: They come out with a lot of things. I think
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that's a bad thing. That means the ghost more strong
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: because I feel.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Like in the military there's a fine balance, right? The balance.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Like it's a very casual, right? Even in case I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: have normal. These are normal, you know, if you look
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: beyond the hardships, the grueling training, and the milestones of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: military service, do you think having these shared supernatural experiences
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: kind of bonds you with like your platoon mates or groupmates? Yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: why do you think such stories are so effective and
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Would you encourage future soldiers to continue the tradition of
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: spreading horror tales?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think it's,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It is definitely a rite of passage, and um.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It's not that they don't know, and you are not
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: going to.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Like a place where it's like very family oriented. No,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you're a soldier. And from where I come from, we're
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: doing diployments. We are in places where things I could
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: be sleeping in an exact place right now or standing
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: in the right place you know. Things may have happened.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: This is the thing, it's acceptance. It's like I'd rather
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you know about it, and you figure, you figure out
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: how you want to handle this.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day when you actually
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: do not have the right pattern, right thought patterns, you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: will become a liability to the people who are actually
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: doing the right job. So the best is, this is
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: not even a priority problem, but if this is a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: priority problem for you, then I might consider where I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: want to put you or how I want to work
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: with you. So sometimes this is like things.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: From a military point of view.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It should happen. It's a must. I think it's a must.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Do
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: you think using the horror genre to depict military service
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: will actually allow people to understand more about the experience?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Um, I think that is the best way to do
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it because the job being a soldier comes, this is
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: a package. You can't, you can't deny that. Like, you know, it's, it's,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it's like sometimes you're not only fighting with the things
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that are
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Physical. Sometimes you're fighting a lot of things which are not,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and we also have our soldiers who are fighting.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: With their own mind on mental health, with uh, you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this thing actually helps us identify it, to be honest.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: You do, you know where is this guy hallucinating because
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of PTSD or is he really talking about something? Is
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it like a collective, uh, statement that is like, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: or is he, so this helps you helps us identify,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: this is basically it's a package, you you you cannot
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: run away from it. It's part of the deal.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting. I never thought of it that
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: way because
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: A lot of times when when somebody has a supernatural experience,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: your first thought is, OK, is this a mental health
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: thing or is this, is he actually getting possessed? What's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: going on? Like a spiritual kind of diagnosis. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you diagnose them spiritually first, then after that, no, they
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: sent to the hospital or something,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: because first of all, we have to look at it
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: medically first, and then because you cannot be if the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: guy is really possessed, and then, uh, I mean, if
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: he's really not feeling well.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And then if you're going to be like old aunties,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: oh no, no, this one is spontana, and then the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: guy is having he's foaming in his mouth like, no, no, still,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: still it's spontana.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I really blame her.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And then next thing he does, oh yeah, no, no,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I was wrong,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: too late, so you need to identify if this is
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: actually medical or if it is not.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: So you, you told us about the C grade, the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: B grade probably. How about the A grade?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: A grade stories.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: OK, the A grade one is, uh, that one really,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: really got us, uh, shaken. We really couldn't sleep. We
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: were so paranoid. It kind of got us into a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: different tone. We were exhausted. It's not exhausted anymore. It's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: more like
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Did we the reason, did we cost it like to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a point where
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: You know, if, if you think ghosts are around, if
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: they actually stopping us to go forward, that is the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: level of
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Uh, intensity of that particular situation. Uh, this was actually
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in overseas, um.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: One of the Middle Eastern countries actually and uh we're
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: still trying to wrap around our head on what exactly
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: went down that night. Um, we were all together and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: then um there was a quite I think it was
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: about 12 of us. We were all, we were actually
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: going towards a certain direction. There's actually a building, it's
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's just like what 23 stories, that kind of
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: house and it's abandoned, it's like roots and everything. We,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: we shelter. So actually we went in and the thing
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was like uh 3 of the people shifted as in
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the character.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Oh
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know what was it, but particularly the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: three of them, and uh there was a lot of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: things were not working properly. Uh, we couldn't, our thought
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: patterns were all like scrambled. Like suddenly we just cannot
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: make decisions like like like like like in a loop,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: just lost, and then obviously we just sat down, we
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: were like, you know what, just sleep it off, you're
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: too tired and blah blah. And next thing you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: my friend, uh, one of the guys that stood up
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: was like, just leave. He didn't say anything at all.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: He said, he just keeps saying just leave.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Just leave and he wasn't speaking English or anything because
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: we had a translator also and this guy was translating
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: because he stood up and then when the guy keeps
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: saying just leave, just leave, he he got scared. He
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: was like, OK, we have to go now. And I'm like,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: do you understand it's like really like.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: The middle of the night, like where you want us
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to go. Like this is much more safer than going
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: out because we don't know what's going to be happening outside.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And then another guy stood up and he was more
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like stood up and he was like started to cry.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: He's a grown ass man, and he started to cry
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and then he started to like get hiccups and he
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: was like, leave, leave, leave, leave, leave, leave. He just
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: keep saying this repeatedly.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: So we thought maybe, OK, this is not right. Maybe,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you know, so we all, we all went out leaving
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: our stuff inside and we went out. Now this is
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: where things got a little bit weird because the third guy,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he just ran towards the staircase. He just started running
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: towards the staircase and then he just sat there and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: then he was like, you got to cross me before
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you go up here. You were like, first of all,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: we didn't want to go up there and cross you
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't, we don't, we don't get it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: So obviously we were still don't know what's going on
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and now you just got us more excited. I mean
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: more interested now you wonder like what is upstairs and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: then my friend was like, maybe they have like some
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: bed or something more comfortable. We should just go up there.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And all our brain was like, actually, you know what,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. Maybe this, you know, for me in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: my mind is like maybe this guy must have gone
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: up just now, but have seen something comfortable and he
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: wants it for himself, you know, that kind of thing.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: But the way they were behaving is like very abnormal
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: because he's, he was walking sideways like his torso was
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: facing us, but his legs was moving like, like crossing
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: over and walking sideways like crap, yeah, and he's very abnormal.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And then he, he talks, he turns around, he's like
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: turns the other way he talks, turns the other way
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: he talks, and then he's he's just going to like
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a like a seizure kind of thing. Like every time
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he says a word that you like.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: You know, and the other guy was doing the same thing.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So these 3 people don't have this kind of habit before,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and all of them are doing this kind of weird
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: things which we never got, and we did grab one
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of them, it's very, very cold.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Like, like.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was like, you know, like in
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a cold weather when there's no blood vessels or heat,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know that kind of cold.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And all three of them just decided to just consolidate
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the staircase and sit down there.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Like, in, you know, what happened, then they all were like, no, leave, leave, leave.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So we obviously did try to go up there and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: then one of them got aggressive. He literally pounced on
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: one of my guys. We still don't get it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: The translator was hysterical. He was sorry, he was like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: totally crazy. He just was out, and he refused to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: come in. He was like, come out? That is not
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: what you think it is.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: These are helping you leave now.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And he said no, you got to move out from
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the radius because the whole thing has been taken over
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: by one thing and I was like, what do you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: mean one thing? He said, I cannot say, I cannot talk,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I cannot explain, just move away.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: You know, and one of the guys, like you can
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: see him, like he, he was like they, they stood up,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: but the upper body was leaning forward and the lower
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: body wasn't moving. It's like the feet were stuck to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the ground. And they were like, you keep doing this
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and then they were like, help. So we just went there,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: we're trying to help 10 of us, we can't move
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: them at all. We don't know what to do. We
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: cannot leave the 3 of them in there. We cannot
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: stay in this place. We cannot leave.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: We just went up the staircase and now this is
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: where the whole, the whole problem starts to think one
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of my friends just collapsed.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Like he just collapsed and then we tried to obviously
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: now medical idiot, so we got to carry him out.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So we carry him out among the 31 of them
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: helped us, but he wasn't my guy.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the guy that we know, it was someone else,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and he was giving us specific instructions.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Go straight, don't go out from the jungle, go straight
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: from here. You have to at least walk about 70
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: m out of the radius. Do not stay in here
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: because not everybody is healthy and we never got that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: He said not everybody is healthy, we never got that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and uh.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: It was already about 3 o'clock-ish around there. So finally
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the two of them were released, so we got out
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and then we came out. When we came out of
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the building, right, so the 2, 3rd floor, there were
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: 2 windows, there were 3 windows actually the thing and
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: in the center, the window, you can see an entity,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: but the thing was it had the head was like a,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you know, if an ends hit is, but it's magnified,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you can see the silhouette of it and it was
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: like it was just looking.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: From there, like, you know, there was no glowing, there
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: was no nothing. It's just like a magnified oval
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: kind of shape,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: yeah, it just looked like this, like, like Superman logo,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: that kind of a shape. You just keep looking at
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: us and you can, and he he was he was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: doing this. You can see him doing the same thing
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: these three of them are doing.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And then we went out
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And remember the guy said that not everybody is healthy
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and then when we came out uh after about 3
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: days after um the guy who fainted.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: He was diagnosed with lung cancer and the guy who
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: brought us, he was, he was like like he was
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like this guy, he was already the target.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: He was the easiest target and he wanted, he didn't
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: care about any one of you, he only wanted him
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to come up.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But then again, you know, it's so he when he
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: came up with us, he was the only one who
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: dropped because his body wasn't able to take whatever was
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: coming towards him. So we took out and then we
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: tried to figure out what it was and then um
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: some people spoke to us, then we had an in-house
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: people as well. So they were saying that, OK, oh,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you went to this area. Why do you go to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: this area?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing was, the whole entire thing, our map,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: our GPS, our thing.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: We were not supposed to go that direction.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: We were not supposed to even go anywhere near there.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Our trial was like our trail was like 2-3 kilometers away, uh,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: not like so far, like there's no way, but somehow
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: our map and everything just brought us there.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: And the first instinct took us to go to the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: house and take over the house and you know the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: normal human instinct. Basically our vulnerability was used exactly against
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: us and then when they were telling us like these
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: people who are there used to be the people who
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: didn't follow instructions. There was more than them actually. There's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: more spirits there, but only the three of them were
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: able to sink. Apparently there's some sink.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Like comfortably you can sit in the body. Not everybody
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: can just take over your body. Like somehow this wasn't matched,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: then he just took over. So these three of them
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: are the only ones and there was actually more, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the others were all trying to stop us and only
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: these 3 were trying to stop us because they couldn't,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: they are like stuck there in that void.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: That that was and then the guys who took us there,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: they were saying that the one upstairs that is not
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: even human, is actually more like a demon kind of thing,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and these people, the demons don't care about who he
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: needs you. He needs what you have and all of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: y'all is basically and that guy who was not well
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: is what he wanted, which is
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Kind of got us thinking like we were actually there.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Like so many emotions are going on there, like what
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: happens if you actually did what you're supposed to do?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Like what if you just got angry and just pissed
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: off at the moment you just reacted like this is
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: not something you want to or you know what to do.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I think without a translator, we wouldn't have even known
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: what the guys were saying in the first place. It
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: was insane.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: This is one of the Middle Eastern countries, right?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, so they were speaking in a different language
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: when they were, so they were conversing with the translator.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: No, they were telling
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: us, they're talking to us, but the translator could translate
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: for you because you, you obviously couldn't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: understand. We thought it was just sounds and normal things,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: but they were, yeah, he understood that the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: translator when the body, yeah, the translators, his job is
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to translate for us. So when he, when he started
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to twitch and stuff, that's when we got a little bit.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Paranoid, you thought it was like medical having fits or
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: seizures or something like that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But he keep saying something and then he was like
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: keep showing like his hands wasn't he's pointing is all
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: like in the face, you know, they were telling us
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: where to go, like what to do.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I heard Middle Eastern country, the, the genes there is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: quite strong actually. It's quite scary actually. I don't know
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: how true it is. So did you guys, you managed to,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you know, get out there safely after that? Everyone, everyone
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: was safe.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, we, to be honest, that the, the,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: this group of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: us, uh, we were actually having a bad few weeks.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Luck was down, uh, falling sick, uh.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: The mind wasn't thinking straight. We were just like very disturbed,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: like it it kind of felt like you kind of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like in a hole for some weird reason, and we
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: were like no there anymore, not even anywhere near. Even
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: when we came back to Singapore, we just like.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Felt like, like, not 100%, the 20% is like just
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: still like waiting, you know, like just thinking whether to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: like it just took us very, very long time and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: we don't know how to think about this. Then we
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: had obviously we had to go for psychology. It's a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: normal thing before you go and after you go, and, uh,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: this is what the psychologist said. Oh yeah, you're not
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the first.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: What was the psychologist's rationale for what?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: You experience what was his,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: they always try to put it on a medical,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: uh,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: they said.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: The, the thing is when they see it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: You
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: see
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: their face, the
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: way
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: they say it, you know what they're trying to say,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: but they know what they can't say, you know, they're like, Oh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: it's because you're tired sometimes, you know, you hallucinate sometimes,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: 12 of you experience the same thing, you get what
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I mean? But, uh, mass hysteria, mass hysteria possible, especially
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: when you're in, in the service because it's high stress.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: It's very high stress environment.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I, I think it's possible, but the, the, the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: speaking in tongues on, that one is, I think it's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: very hard to explain, right? Like imagine you don't know Arabic,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: then you speak Arabic. Yeah, weird, right? Cannot be weird.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I mean one or two phrases is OK, but I
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: appreciate they spoke more than that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: It's not like the, it's a brand new like just
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: learn thing. It's very like old
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: school.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: It's a very old dialect because even the Arabic guy
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't speak like this. It's even older than that, you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that kind of a very.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Deep and very straight to the point and trying to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: tell you what you're trying to like if you felt
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the word hit you in the face, that kind of
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: like Egyptian
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: type beat, you know. This question is for everyone here
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: and those watching at home. If any entity were to
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: represent your sergeant, what would it be? I think my sergeant. Why?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Because he always come out of nowhere.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: You know, like, like, like, boom, jump scared, like you're
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: doing something you're not supposed to boom. What are you doing?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I recruit? They're like, uh.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Why you going to do this? Why haven't gonna do that? Yeah, ninja,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the guy, I would say ninja. Is there any entity
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that's known for making loud noises?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: This, this lady here.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: OK, lah, if that's the closest we have, right, because
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that does remind me of, wasn't that like a Malay
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: entity that got the sound, the name is named after
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the sound that it makes.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: different kind of this one they mix what kumkum yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: is it kumkum but they were not noisy but they
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: were like yeah, that's OK lah about naggy naggy it
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: has to be the volume, so I guess will be
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: the closest one. So your sergeant very noisy loud. OK.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: After I POP, I'm talking about my sergeant after I POP,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I would say like Toyola.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: That's the, I mean, that's the nicest, the nicest entity
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I can think of because he's the nicest sergeant ever.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: But during, during my enlistment, uh, no, I think that one, no,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: but he's still quite nice also, very understandable also actually.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I got lucky lucky lucky
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: lay for me is a gin,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: so good or good or bad lah. Oh no, no.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: But can be good also can be yours is bad. wow,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that's harsh.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Surely we give you a handshake. The once you enter
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the hand you shake, you know, you know a curse
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: for the rest of your life.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: You really hit his sergeant, you know.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: wow,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: actually they became quite good friends after, uh, but it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: still a gin. We are gins together, you know what
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I'm
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: saying. Alright, uh, to start wrapping things up, you know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: let's have our morbid factor the day. Um, it says
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: on here recruit car, but I feel like your ranks
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: up a bit, la, a private private private car.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yes sir, I think you're ranked higher.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So those of you who are in the military service,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: have you ever heard of this story about a basketball
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: bouncing in the middle of the night into your bunk? So,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: a well-known ghost story is about a grandma and a
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: grandson who is playing basketball in your bunk, and if
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: you're the lucky one to be awake,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: They will actually come to you and then talk to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you and they say, Ahma, there's this guy that is
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: still awake and then these, these legends are is actually
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: existing within that military island where we go there to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: train lah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've heard that before. I've heard
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: before. I think he got depicted in 2359.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Did did did. You never heard of it before. You
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: heard of it, right, bro? I'm not from the island, but,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: but still I heard of this story, bro. Yeah, I don't,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I definitely don't remember basketball. Grandmother, OK, lah, that one
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: could have been any, I mean, there's, I think there's
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: different version of it, lah. Some, some maybe not basketball.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Like,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: outside from outside the bunk, the kid will point like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: oh this haven't sleep,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: and the next thing you know you the footstep and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: then slowly in front of you already. I gotta say
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I never heard of that before. No, but now I
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: got a mental image of some, uh, grandma playing basketball.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, not bad.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: No, no, but the basketball in some, in some of
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the stories is that it's actually a hit. It's not
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: a basketball. OK, that sounds a little bit more familiar.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I think I got thrown by the basketball team.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Alright, so thank you again Suresh for joining us. Thank
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: you so much and thank you to all of you
• 43:44
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• 43:53
  Speaker 1: My name
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: is Suresh,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: my name is Wayne. My name is Kyle, my name
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: is Fur, and we'll see you next time. Tales from
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Incredible Tales.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Rui, and Kyle Ong
• 44:05
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• 44:11
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• 44:17
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• 44:23
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• 44:28
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• 44:32
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• 44:39
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• 44:45
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