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Geoff Schwartz reacts to the NFL combine, Spencer Fano still the No. 1 or No. 2 OT in the draft (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Am Bloc number three.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome Jeff Schwartz, a friend of the program, longtime NFL
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  Speaker 3: veteran former Oregon Duck. The Organ Ducks continue to put
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  Speaker 3: out freakish athletic performances at the NFL Scouting Combine. Jeff
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  Speaker 3: Schwartz did not do that, but other Oregon Ducks do.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. Gladly with you, buddy. Back from my first vacation
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  Speaker 2: in a couple of years. So glad to be with you.
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  Speaker 3: Said you said weeks wrong, first vacation A couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of weeks. I don't. I don't. My wife
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  Speaker 2: goes on a ton of vacations. I don't have to be.
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  Speaker 2: We got a dog and folks turns three and a
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  Speaker 2: just for scrimmage tonight. Uh We've got our pictures identified.
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  Speaker 2: We have most of our fuelders identify. Got gotta find
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  Speaker 2: some hitters old uh Me Schwartz needs to step up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I feel like I'm trying to put
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  Speaker 2: too much pressure on her, but we need we need
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  Speaker 2: me to play well for the old ten You thunder
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  Speaker 2: were never coming to me, by the way, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: think our best work we ever did was during the
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  Speaker 2: COVID year because we had nothing to talk about for
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  Speaker 3: cryptocurrency went absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 4: The I like shoes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a sneaker guy, as you're aware, so like that
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  Speaker 3: was the height because I was just sitting at home
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  Speaker 3: on the internet all day and they're just like, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I should get these cool custom shoes, or I should
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  Speaker 3: get these cool unique shoes.
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  Speaker 4: That are hard to find.
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  Speaker 3: The floor has absolutely dropped out of the bottom of
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  Speaker 3: that market. You can get shoes that used to be
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  Speaker 3: like a thousand dollars a pair at ross. Now it's amazing,
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  Speaker 3: what really what that time did for particular like especially
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  Speaker 3: collector type industries.
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  Speaker 2: It's wild. I heard like Sketchers are back, though I
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  Speaker 2: heard some shoes if I've made a return, No, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that Sketchers sponsors any of our radio
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  Speaker 3: stations here in the group. But I have never, will,
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  Speaker 3: never could never purchase a Sketcher's anything, not even for
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  Speaker 3: my children, certainly not for my wife. And I'd rather
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  Speaker 3: go bear. No, can't be done.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I mean you're I know you're an elitist
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  Speaker 2: like that, but okay with.
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  Speaker 3: Footwear, I tried to be all right, let's talk about
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  Speaker 3: the scouting combine.
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  Speaker 4: I know that you were loving the big men.
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  Speaker 3: A nine guys at the NFL scouting combine went under
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  Speaker 3: five flat that are supposed to be offensive lineman next year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's any kind of record, but
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we're all talking about three hundred plus pound dudes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: running faster than most of the people that we know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, obviously the ten you know, tends to matter
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more, right, because that's the explosive part
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  Speaker 2: of our game, and so does the broad jump of
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  Speaker 2: the vertical. And you were talking about my combine. It
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  Speaker 2: was atrocious. I mean I had a one percent vertical, right,
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  Speaker 2: like the reason and people I tweet that out, people
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  Speaker 2: you know, said why do you Why does it matter? Well?
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  Speaker 2: It matters because, you know, the combine is important because
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  Speaker 2: there are benchmarks for success with some of the numbers. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So you know, if you're the certain number that you
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  Speaker 2: know this is a These are numbers with the height
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  Speaker 2: and weight of players that had success over their lifetime, right,
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  Speaker 2: and and you can use that as a baseline. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: well these are the numbers that that have worked in
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  Speaker 2: the past. If we go outside that those you know,
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  Speaker 2: is that an outlier? Now? How do we square that?
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  Speaker 2: And So that's why the numbers are important, right, It's
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  Speaker 2: why we we like to get them. It doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: someone's going to be good. But my brother, I like
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  Speaker 2: using the RAS scores. I've've seen those before. Write the
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  Speaker 2: Roads of Athletics scores that are put out there, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a combination of you know, just sort of putting
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  Speaker 2: everything together, height, weight, all the numbers. You know, ten
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  Speaker 2: is the best, right, And there were some players that
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  Speaker 2: had nine point nine s. There was a tight end
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  Speaker 2: on Stanford who was like the most tight end of
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  Speaker 2: all time in this combine. I'm sure there are offensive
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  Speaker 2: linemen there were in the nine point five area, right,
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  Speaker 2: like really outstanding. My brother was a two point three sean. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I was a five. I was in the five like
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  Speaker 2: and so the numbers matter, but so does you know
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  Speaker 2: can you play football? Right now? For those who might
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  Speaker 2: my brother was played nine years NFL, was a four
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  Speaker 2: time All Pro and won a Super Bowl with the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously the numbers for him didn't matter at all, right,
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  Speaker 2: So this is what it's about, right, It's about finding
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  Speaker 2: a baseline. Okay, what do we know about this player
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  Speaker 2: based off their film? Does their testing live up to
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  Speaker 2: their film? That's the first question, right, If it does,
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  Speaker 2: it's just a check mark. Okay, good check Now we
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  Speaker 2: see Okay, Well, it's a shuttle time? Is it like
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  Speaker 2: in that range of like, wow, these guys who have
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  Speaker 2: the shuttle time typically are really really good in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: And then so that's how to me I evaluate all this, Right,
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  Speaker 2: So these guys are running fast, A lot of them
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  Speaker 2: are already at good athletes, right, so it's not a surprise.
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  Speaker 2: And look, these guys if they're not in a bowl
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  Speaker 2: game or they're not you know, they leave their their team.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're working on forties now for three months,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Like I don't really So to me, it's
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  Speaker 2: not really about the time. It's just like just this player.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you're athletic on the field, do you
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  Speaker 2: show your athleticism when it comes time at the combine?
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  Speaker 2: And or if you're not an athlete, do not show that? Right?
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  Speaker 2: And so that that's what it is to me. And
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  Speaker 2: I think for most, for the most part, and most
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  Speaker 2: offensive linemen did do what they had to do. So
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  Speaker 2: a couple of guys were a little sloppy in the drills. Again,
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  Speaker 2: the drills you're prepared for, so you shouldn't. I would
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  Speaker 2: prefer you weren't just sloppy in those drills. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's what it is. It's it's a tough assignment
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  Speaker 2: to be there for a couple of days in that
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  Speaker 2: atmosphere when you know your job is on the line essentially,
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  Speaker 2: right you're interviewing for a job, and then all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, hey, go work out for us in sort
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  Speaker 2: of this cold, sterile boring stadium.
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  Speaker 3: I want to talk about the tackles in this draft specifically,
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  Speaker 3: and how the mock drafts are kind of like they're
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  Speaker 3: sorting them right now.
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  Speaker 4: So so, Spencer.
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  Speaker 3: Fano came into the day appearing as like either the
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  Speaker 3: number one or number two tackle off the boards in
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  Speaker 3: pretty much every mock that I saw. And then the
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  Speaker 3: Freeland guy was his.
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  Speaker 2: Name, Yeah, Georgia, the Georgia kid.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Georgia kid then like inserted himself in there
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  Speaker 3: for a lot of peop people above. Funno, even though
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  Speaker 3: Spencer had an excellent combine, a remarkable combine, was the
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  Speaker 3: most that he was the highest graded athlete among all
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  Speaker 3: offensive linemen with all offensive tackles at the combine. And
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  Speaker 3: yet still, and I know they're only mock drafts and
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  Speaker 3: that's not what matters here. But then the conversation somehow
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  Speaker 3: changes and Francis Mowingoa, who didn't even he just measured
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  Speaker 3: and interviewed. He didn't run any of the drills, run
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  Speaker 3: any of the timed events.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he seems to have.
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  Speaker 3: Somehow elevated himself as well. And it's a head scratcher
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  Speaker 3: for Spencer's gonna be fine, Like Kayleb blow was going
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  Speaker 3: to be fine. They're both gonna have I think long,
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  Speaker 3: successful careers. But just the way that the offensive line
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  Speaker 3: conversation has developed in the last week, week and a half,
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  Speaker 3: you're a lot closer to it than I am.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think a couple of things we've known about
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Fauno for years now, right, and so there's a
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  Speaker 2: familiarity with a player like that I think gets overlooked
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  Speaker 2: at time when it comes to discussions, right. And so
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  Speaker 2: you've got like, you know, Freeling from Georgia, who you
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  Speaker 2: knows tape is inconsistent. There's a lot of the light there.
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  Speaker 2: But you look at him, run his size, You're like,
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  Speaker 2: this guy prototypical everything right, and you so then you
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  Speaker 2: maybe ignore some of the film and things right because
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  Speaker 2: you know he's fresh in your mind after having good work,
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  Speaker 2: Like we know what what's menser is gonna be, I
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  Speaker 2: think in the NFL, and so I think there's some
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  Speaker 2: comfort in that, And I think it's sometimes that that
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  Speaker 2: leads to you. I have a mock draft due tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: for Fox Sports. I was gonna put you know, Freeling
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  Speaker 2: not ask me six to the Browns, and I was
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  Speaker 2: talking about Buddy Brandon Thorn. He's got one out for
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  Speaker 2: Bleacher Report, and Brandon's really one of the better minds
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  Speaker 2: on the offensive line. And he still has Fano going
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  Speaker 2: six overall, and we're talking about it, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: this sort of what I mentioned, like Fano I think
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  Speaker 2: comes in into known quantity immediately, right, and Freeling just
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  Speaker 2: he may be great, but he also might not be right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing more discussion is. Right now, as
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  Speaker 2: you look at guy like like that, you say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well you get Freeling, height way, athleticism, some of the
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  Speaker 2: tape pops. He probably profiles more as a long term
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  Speaker 2: like this is what it looks like as an all
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  Speaker 2: pro offensive lineman. Right, I'm not saying he's gonna be,
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  Speaker 2: but that's what it looks like for no. Size is
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  Speaker 2: not typically of that of that type of player, right, Sean.
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  Speaker 2: So this is this is the draft complex, right, This
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  Speaker 2: is what we convince ourselves of because we have so
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  Speaker 2: much time to think about these things. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: why we're seeing the Georgia kid pop up a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: As far as you know Francis on Miami, look it,
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna, I think, end up a guard in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: And He's probably be a pretty good guard in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I debate, like right now, where if
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  Speaker 2: you're like the Giants, for example, and people have him
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  Speaker 2: mock to the Giants at five, because you look at
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  Speaker 2: what the Giants need and probably not running back. They
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  Speaker 2: have obviously a really good defensive line room right now
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  Speaker 2: that probably going offensive line needs some helping. Offense line
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  Speaker 2: don't need to left tackle thom And the question is
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  Speaker 2: if you take Francis there, well is he moving taking
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  Speaker 2: a guard five or tackle at five? Right? I mean
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  Speaker 2: to me, you know they if you want to tackle,
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  Speaker 2: you probably would take Spencer, but if you want a guard,
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  Speaker 2: you probably take Francis, Right. So these are these these
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  Speaker 2: these are all the reasons why he's not a high
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  Speaker 2: But again I'll tell you the Bleacher report one today
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  Speaker 2: had him going you know, you know, six to the Brown.
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  Speaker 2: So there are people out there that still believe in
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  Speaker 2: Fine going very high. And there are guys like Nate
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  Speaker 2: Tice who have Lomu ahead of him, right, Like it
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  Speaker 2: just depends on which guys you like to look at.
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  Speaker 2: For some of the mock drafts.
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  Speaker 3: What do you make of the report that some teams
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  Speaker 3: had Spencer, you know, doing center drills.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Look, I think that there's a so there's
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  Speaker 2: a new thing in the NFL. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what news the right word, but there's a philosophy when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to the offensive line now where you know,
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  Speaker 2: when we were sean, when we were sort of watching
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  Speaker 2: football and playing football, you just sort of put like
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  Speaker 2: your best offensive linemen at left tackle, right, and then
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  Speaker 2: you you know, and then you just try to put
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  Speaker 2: your next best maybe at right tackle, and then you
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  Speaker 2: find a good center, and you found a couple of guards.
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  Speaker 2: You just sort of made it work. Right. Now the
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  Speaker 2: philosophy is turned into let's just get the five best
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  Speaker 2: guys and we'll put them in different positions. Well, you
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  Speaker 2: know which one of our five best, right, and so
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  Speaker 2: now that's what teams. So if you can play center,
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  Speaker 2: it gives you a lot of options, right to put
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  Speaker 2: your five best on the field. Right. But let's say
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  Speaker 2: you are the Chargers, okay, charge of great example Chargers, Right,
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  Speaker 2: they have two tackles are coming back off injury that
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  Speaker 2: are really good, and they need a center in the
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  Speaker 2: worst way. If they miss on on Linderbaum, who potentially
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  Speaker 2: stay with the Ravens like they need a center in
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  Speaker 2: the worst. So the center last year was the words
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  Speaker 2: the NFL what if a could plays center for them? Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you would like him to be drafted much higher,
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  Speaker 2: but like so that that just gives options, right, it
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  Speaker 2: gives you options in the NFL, And that's why they
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  Speaker 2: did it. I think that's why his size and we've
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  Speaker 2: seen guys sort of of his size that play tackle
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  Speaker 2: that they sort of have got into center. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a smart just I don't mean it's a
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  Speaker 2: place out in the NFL, but just to let teams
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  Speaker 2: know you can do it, right, I can do it, guys.
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  Speaker 2: So I wasn't surprised to see that, and that means
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  Speaker 2: seems a thought. I think teams have thought about what
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  Speaker 2: I just said. It's like, well, we have a couple
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  Speaker 2: of good tackles, but we really want our five best,
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  Speaker 2: and if he's one of the five best, let's go
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  Speaker 2: on the field somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz is our guests here on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 3: Schotalk and all things football. Right now, the NFL Draft
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  Speaker 3: combine coming up. We're thirty seven minutes away from franchise
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  Speaker 3: tag deadline, and you know, like looks like Kenneth Walker
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  Speaker 3: will not be And I don't know how players and
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  Speaker 3: locker rooms handled the franchise tag because obviously it's a
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  Speaker 3: big one year salary, but it seems like depending on
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  Speaker 3: what age you are in your career, you don't want
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  Speaker 3: it if you're a player that is looking for more
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  Speaker 3: long term security. So how should we be viewing these
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  Speaker 3: franchise tags that are or are not being exercised by teams.
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  Speaker 2: And let's say Trey Henderson is not going to be
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  Speaker 2: tagged by the way the Bengals pass rusher, I I
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  Speaker 2: think that no one actually likes it, player and team.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why, you know, for the player, obviously
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  Speaker 2: you want you want that long term security, right, you
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  Speaker 2: want that long term contract. Didn't look that tags a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money, right for some guys, if you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think last year Trey Smith before he got paid,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or maybe you know, he was gonna look
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  Speaker 2: at it like twenty million dollars a year and he
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  Speaker 2: was a sixth round pick like that. That was five
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  Speaker 2: times when he had made in the NFL so far,
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  Speaker 2: so he that's like sign me up for that. He
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  Speaker 2: signed his tag the first day he could said, I
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  Speaker 2: mean for that, a lot of you know, guys that
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  Speaker 2: want long term deals and there are first round picks,
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  Speaker 2: they don't want tags. They want that security, right. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think teams like it either, Sewan, because it makes
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  Speaker 2: the players way more expensive. You cannot push any tag
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  Speaker 2: money to a different year, right when you sign a contract.
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  Speaker 2: You can push them with that money to different parts
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  Speaker 2: of their contract. You can't add avoid years. It's a
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  Speaker 2: full one hundred cap number. And and teams don't want that, right.
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  Speaker 2: They want to be able to plan out years and
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  Speaker 2: years in advance. And if you have a guy on
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  Speaker 2: a one year deal, you know you can't plan out
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  Speaker 2: longer than one year for that guy. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: think anyone likes it. Obviously, it's a tool that that's
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  Speaker 2: available to use because you know, the CBA allows it.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think we're gonna get rid of it.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you know a bargain for something that affects
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  Speaker 2: five five players a year. I don't think we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do that. But actually I don't think teams like
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  Speaker 2: it either. I know, I know people think that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of all when I say that, but you know they
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  Speaker 2: don't they want these guys signed long term. Man, they
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  Speaker 2: want to get their their their cap and in order
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  Speaker 2: they want to have projections for years and years to come.
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  Speaker 2: They want to know they were to lie on these
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  Speaker 2: certain players. So in the end, it is what it is.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think teams are players like you very much. Uh.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: It looks like Drew Dollman is retiring.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I saw that. Yeah, shocking.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: You like him as a player, Yeah, it's really He's good.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: He really solified the Bears offense line last year was
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: much much better. They went and made those trades. Rather
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: shocking retirement. I don't know, you know, his injury status.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's a neck injury we don't know about, a
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: head injury we don't know about. I mean that obviously
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: affects a lot of these guys and we don't know
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: those thing until they retire. But for the he's only
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: twenty seven, right, the year he had, you know coming off, uh,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the year the Bears just had and the
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: excitement in that building with Ben Johnson that that was
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: rather surprising. So h but I'll tell you what meant.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: You know, NFL is hard to play, just like any
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: pro sport. And if you're not into one hundred percent,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: don't do it. And so I give these guys credit
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: mand that they retire. You know, they they're done, they're
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: over it and just move on. So I I I
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: appreciate what guys can do.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: This twenty seven years old by the way, and retiring
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: after he's super young. He had just signed a three year,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: forty two million dollar contract during the last offseason.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much of that he actually got,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: but so.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It gives you might have to give some money back
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: if it's not if it's not a medical thing too.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Like that's when you retire early, you know, you have
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: money back often because the pro rated bonus and whatnot.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: So kind of that arts cares.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Actually he's a Stanford gun. Maybe he'll go be a
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Pokemon card dealer with uh with this? What was that
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Blake Martinez the linebacker.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Who is Pokemon cards?
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Blake Martinez the former linebacker?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Oh? Is he Stanford guy too? Yeah? I know that
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: conference champions Yeah, in the ACC.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know. I wonder how that. I wonder
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: how that industry is doing post COVID shutdowns. Pokemon Yeah,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: seems like they're killing.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: It still, I sure if you say so, my son
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: might know. I think he's he's more in the cards
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: than I am.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: James just pointed out, Yeah, the Pokemon was the sponsor
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: of the Olympics.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, I'll tell you what. It was a lot
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: of fun. Eight am Olympics. Man, how much fun was that?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: It was great? I mean, you is sex, which is
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: a weird your time zone is weird, but everyone else
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: it was it was awesome.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: For is there is there anyone in that you watched
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: in this combine or that you're excited as we go
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: through this tre process that you think is just like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: he's your sleeper. This guy is gonna be a great
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: NFL player, And maybe he isn't being talked about or
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: even if they are.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I have a sleeper quite yet.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: You know. It's my It's interesting because you know, not
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: many people do NFL like I cover NFL like I do,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and then also cover college football and I don't. I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: just I don't have time to study like all seven
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: rounds of the draft. I just like, I just I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: just don't and I used to when I but it
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: is hard, man, so it's hard to be like I am.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I'm prepped on like the first like forty guys in
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the draft. I don't think. My work also doesn't require
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: me to know much more than that for what I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: do anyways, So I don't have like a I used
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to have a tused to know. Plus when we covered,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like you know, it was easier when you covered on
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the PAC twelve every day, right Like you know, you
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: had sort of a couple of guys you watch, and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you watched all season long, but no, no one comes
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: to mind at the moment of guys that are like
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: super sleepers right now. I mean, I think a couple guys,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you know, the north is the North Goest state quarterback
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that people seem to like. Is a lefty that he
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: had a great, great combine that was mentioned to me
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago as sort of a watch out.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Could be a sort of a first round pick. The
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: type of player weird quarterback here with Ty Simpson probably
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: is the other first round pick. So you know, a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: couple guys like that sort of pop up on the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: radar every now and then. I don't I don't have
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: great ones for you for you yet, buddy, I just
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: wish I had more time to watch some of the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the later round guys, they haven't done it yet.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Is Caleb Funnel going to be a top Caleb Lomo?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Caleb?
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Is Caleb Lomo going to be a top forty guy?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Again, Dan Dream, I put out a tweet. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: feel like this, we see this tweet every every year.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: There's only seven guys I would take in the first round.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It's off the t one. Uh. I feel that you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: just written to two. But I think that he's one
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of those guys that look at any of the first
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: round I think even maybe earlier. You know, there's there's
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of choices. I think for him. This draft
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: is interesting because there's really you know, there's a couple
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: super premium players, right you look at Mendoza and and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the Ohio State, all the hot state players, both guys
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: on defense, Tate Love Bane Bailey, you know those are
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: probably like that, that's it man, And so you have
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of choices in this draft.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I'd be a lot of teams are drafting guys that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: maybe you didn't think they were they were gonna draft,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: or they you know you'd have your eye on because
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: they're gonna look at their draft board and there'll be
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: grades all over the place. Right, One team's gonna have
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: a high second guy. One guys have a low first
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: on a guy like it's just gonna be what I
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: think to me, that's you know, that type of draft.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So I certainly think he'll be up there because of
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: maybe the lack of total tackles in this draft. But
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: it won't surprise me if he went twelve or twenty seven.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: That's the type of draft. It feels like a right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Last thing before I let you go.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Did you ever notice in actual game play when a
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: guy had particularly long arms or short arms when you
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: were trying to block him.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'll talk my head, no, but I'm
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: sure I absolutely felt that in a game. Sure, yes,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: you can tell a difference. It's the reason why people
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: care about it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: If you're Reuben Bain, does your arm length actually matter?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It's hard to say that it doesn't matter. But he's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: overcome that because of his style of play, right, his explosiveness,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: his strength, his ability to bend his agily. But I mean,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: if you are going against Lane Johnson who has like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: you know, arms down to his knees or you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: like it's a problem if you can't get if you
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: can't get by lane, what are you going to do
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to him if you can't get in his chest before
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: he gets in your chest. That's why arm length matters.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But again, if you're quick enough, if you can overcome it,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you know, mean, it's not a problem. But you're running
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: some guys and you're just gonna be like, I just
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: can't get by this guy, and that's what arms are
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: an issue. But his film hasn't shown that to be
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that big of a problem. So I I to me,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it would not worry me, unless, of course, again I'd
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: go back to the historical comp thing. Right, Historically speaking,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: his arms would be the shortest of anyone to ever
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: have a great career at that position. Like, that's the thing, right,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: So if you are a team that subscribes the idea
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that we have to draft guys to sort of fit
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: into this athletic profile because we have fifty years of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: data on these guys, you would have to really take
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: a risk on drafting a guy like like Bay, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: like Bane if he doesn't fit the athletic profile. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: mean again, he would be the first of a guy
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: of his arm length and his size to be good.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: That's a Again, that's a pretty tough ask if you're
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: in that draft room and you the eighth pick overall,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and you're like, do we take the guy that would
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: be the outlier because we think he's that good, or
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: do we take a more known commodity at that position
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: or someone else? Like those are real discussions that that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: GMS have, and I think they're fair discussion to that,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: because again, the outlier part of that drafting outliers man
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: in the first round. It's tough business, and so I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna affect some things. I think it seems
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: somethings aren't going to care. But if we look back
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and say to ourselves, well, that was kind of an overdraft,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that would be the reason why.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: That's Jeff Schwartz. Jeff, thanks for joining us. As always,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: appreciate you man.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Talking next week, buddy. Take care