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'Missing' Carlee Russell Leaves Trail of Lost TP, Cheez-It, Trail Mix, and Orange-headed Perp · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: An orange haired man with the ball spot, cheez It's
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  Speaker 2: toilet paper, the red roof in what happened in the
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  Speaker 2: case of Carly Russell. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us here at Foxcination and series
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  Speaker 2: XM one eleven. Let's start at the get go with
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  Speaker 2: the nine to one one call. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 2: our cut.
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  Speaker 3: Seven seventy one. It's going to be forty nine south
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  Speaker 3: my Market ten. It's going to be a child walking
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  Speaker 3: on the three four year old child walking on the
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  Speaker 3: side of the interstate.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks to Harpie's going to be close mind.
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  Speaker 3: I ran Ridge Stadius the day and with the hazards on.
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  Speaker 3: Child's gonna be a white male wearing a white T
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  Speaker 3: shirt and a diaper from shift for for forty two.
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  Speaker 3: Harp's advising there's no cars in the area where the
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  Speaker 3: child's been abandoned on the side of the ridge or negative,
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  Speaker 3: but she's saying that she would stand by for police
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  Speaker 3: forty two call her RP back, she's not at their vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: If you're willing to take the time and the energy
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  Speaker 2: and you dissect, nine one one calls you learn so much.
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  Speaker 5: Take and listen to the rest of that.
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  Speaker 3: CALLO for cla read in color to Nicole Russell out
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  Speaker 3: of Birmingham to let them come around on everyone's world before.
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  Speaker 3: We're not getting a female to answer forty two our
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  Speaker 3: coffee ty four.
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  Speaker 4: That's the RP.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying to call her back. She's a non answering
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  Speaker 3: abut the interstate as well. Can give me a description
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  Speaker 3: on the child and a southbound walking south down here
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  Speaker 3: four south bend walking south down. It was a toddler
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  Speaker 3: three four year old wearing a white T shirt and
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  Speaker 3: a diaper. RP. You've arrived in a brand Mercedes along
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  Speaker 3: with our pieces Christmasty.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for just of ours.
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  Speaker 3: Her vehicles on log running. Call our personal long and
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  Speaker 3: you can set for her.
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  Speaker 2: Phone all personal belongings except for the phone in the car.
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  Speaker 2: The car unlocked and still running. That is what police
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  Speaker 2: confronted when they go to answer nine one one call
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  Speaker 2: made by Carly Russell reporting a toddler walking unattended alone
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  Speaker 2: along the side of a freeway.
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  Speaker 5: Listen our friends, ABC thirty three forty.
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  Speaker 6: Police need help finding a missing twenty five year old woman,
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  Speaker 6: Carlthia Russell, who goes by Carly. Police say around nine
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  Speaker 6: thirty Thursday night, Russell called nine one one, stating she
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  Speaker 6: saw a toddler walking along I four fifty nine. Then,
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  Speaker 6: after calling nine one one, Russell stopped to check on
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  Speaker 6: the child and called a family member to report the
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  Speaker 6: same details.
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  Speaker 5: The family member lost content with her.
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  Speaker 6: Officers found Russell's vehicle in some of her belongings, but
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  Speaker 6: were unable to find her or a child.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me in allstar panel to make sense of what
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  Speaker 2: we know right now, But first to Savannah Sat multimedia
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  Speaker 2: journalist reporter waff forty eight, Alabama.
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  Speaker 5: Savannah, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Not only does she make a nine one one call,
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  Speaker 2: she also contact her family telling them she had seen
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  Speaker 2: this toddler walking along the side of a freeway. And
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  Speaker 2: then you hear a commotion shuffling on the other end
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  Speaker 2: of the phone and she screams, and that's the end
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  Speaker 2: of the call.
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  Speaker 5: Do I have that right?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, that's pretty much you know what has been reported
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  Speaker 7: by her family and as well as the Hoover Police Department.
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  Speaker 2: Now explain to me, Hoover is a little bit outside
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  Speaker 2: of Birmingham, Is that correct?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, it's very close to the Birmingham metropolitan area.
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  Speaker 2: Very close to the Birmingham metropolitan area. And what can
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  Speaker 2: you tell me about this stretch of road where Carly
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  Speaker 2: Russell says she sees a tot boy walking along in
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  Speaker 2: a T shirt and a dipe.
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  Speaker 7: But first thing I can tell you is that Birmingham,
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  Speaker 7: much like where I live in Huntsville, is mostly interstate roads. Busy,
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  Speaker 7: busy roads, thousands of cars on it every single day.
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  Speaker 7: So the idea of her pulling over on the shoulder
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  Speaker 7: of the interstate to check on a toddler is strange
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  Speaker 7: and wild to everyone. Because you think of interstate, you
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  Speaker 7: think of busy stretch of highway where most accidents tend
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  Speaker 7: to happen. So you think you think of a toddler
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  Speaker 7: on the side of the road, most people would be
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  Speaker 7: worried and concerned as well. I don't know if everyone
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  Speaker 7: would side to check, especially at night like that, but
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  Speaker 7: most people would be concerned.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me from Alabama is James shell Knutt, high profile lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: former SWAT officer and with Metro major case. He's shall
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  Speaker 2: not law firm dot com. James, this is your neck
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  Speaker 2: of the woods.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I can't go anywhere without a camera watching me and
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  Speaker 2: that's fine with me. Fine, Look, I'd be mad if
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  Speaker 2: you didn't. But woten cameras have revealed a toddler walking
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  Speaker 2: along the side of the road.
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  Speaker 9: Well, you know they would possibly have. You know, these
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  Speaker 9: cameras only have a certain amount of resolution. This was
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  Speaker 9: at night, there was a lot of other things moving,
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  Speaker 9: So what they reveal more than anything is the actual
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  Speaker 9: roadway itself, which is what they're in. The purpose is
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  Speaker 9: so there's not always the best of views off the roadway.
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  Speaker 9: But if that toddler was close to the roadway, then yeah,
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  Speaker 9: you would think that that tddler would be on the video.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, We're so used to a murder occurring,
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  Speaker 2: the investigation occurring, and the jury verdict in one hour
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  Speaker 2: on TV.
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  Speaker 5: That's what people think really happens. It's not like that yet.
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  Speaker 2: There may be video, but you may not be able
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  Speaker 2: to see a thing if it's raining or bad weather.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like on TV and in the movies. Hey guys,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to now here front In her own words,
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  Speaker 2: Carly Russell calling nine to one one an hour cut
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  Speaker 2: ten now one one.
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  Speaker 10: Version records say hi, I am on Interstate four fifty nine,
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  Speaker 10: and there is a key just walking by their selves.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, hold on, hold on?
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  Speaker 4: Where where I'm forest down?
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  Speaker 9: Are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm right next to the exit exit ten by the
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  Speaker 4: number minute, like to get off by the Hooper minute? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: figure before that exit? Yes, okay?
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  Speaker 10: And where you're headed southbound or northbound to toward two
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  Speaker 10: to eighty fort tuscalusive?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? And was the child on the rusher right side,
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  Speaker 4: on the right side where they walk on northbound.
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  Speaker 7: And around the down they're walking towards tuscalusive.
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  Speaker 4: Walking south found Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCullum joining me h, founder director with the Cold
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  Speaker 2: Case Search Institute, starting a hit series Zone seven and
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  Speaker 2: forensics expert. She's clearly in her right mind. She's giving
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  Speaker 2: very specific location information regarding the four fifty nine, very clear.
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  Speaker 11: She starts for the salutation Hi, there's no fear, there's
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  Speaker 11: no urgency, there's no concern. She's not getting to the
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  Speaker 11: baby first. Most people, when there's a bad accident or
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  Speaker 11: a fire or something they're going to run to to
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  Speaker 11: go help, they holler to somebody else to call down
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  Speaker 11: one one. She's literally supposedly watching a baby walk down
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  Speaker 11: an expressway at any minute he could be hit by
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  Speaker 11: a car, he could fall off into a ravine, and
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  Speaker 11: she's just sitting in her car, chilling, talking to now
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  Speaker 11: one one, waiting for them to ask for the next question,
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  Speaker 11: and not saying, y'all need to get out here. I've
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  Speaker 11: got to get out of the car and go get
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  Speaker 11: this trial.
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  Speaker 5: Take a listen to more of that nine on one call,
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  Speaker 5: like a toddler, like.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe like three or four. Did you pull over with
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  Speaker 4: them or are you still with them?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, are you with the child right now?
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  Speaker 7: No, I'm not. I didn't get out of the car.
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  Speaker 12: I'm just I can see them though.
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  Speaker 4: Can you do mind staying and keep an eye on
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  Speaker 4: them until we get there? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Okay. What kind of car are you in?
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  Speaker 10: I'm in a red Mercedes Ben and that a Savannah
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  Speaker 10: receiving suv.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's a sedan start. Can you put your
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  Speaker 4: hazards off for me? Yeah? They're only okay. Did you
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  Speaker 4: talk to the child on or did you say anything
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  Speaker 4: to know? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: Do they look like they're injured?
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  Speaker 3: No, they don't.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: She is clearly in her right mind and coherent and more.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to Carly Russell in her own words.
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  Speaker 4: Are they wife like a senec or angel? They're white
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  Speaker 4: as a male or female?
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  Speaker 7: I think it's a boy, a little boy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm right now. Okay. Is you wearing clothes?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I want is you wearing?
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  Speaker 12: It's a white T shirt.
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  Speaker 11: And it doesn't look like he has any pants on.
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  Speaker 7: It looks like a diaper.
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  Speaker 4: You don't see any cars anywhere? No, no cars anywhere? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: all right, what's your name?
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  Speaker 7: My name is Carli Russells.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't see any injuries on the shelf from
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  Speaker 4: where you're at. Correct? No, no, but I can't really
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  Speaker 4: see them that good. Try to keep an eye on
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  Speaker 4: them for the best they can, because I don't want
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  Speaker 4: you to lose shack of them. And do they have
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  Speaker 4: shoes on?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 4: Sure, not that I can be.
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  Speaker 10: I can't really see that. Looks all right, I've got
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  Speaker 10: them on the way. Okay, just try to say, keep
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  Speaker 10: an eye on them, but offsters are on the way.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, say.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 4: All right, what's your name? My name is Carli Russells.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't see any injuries on my shelf from
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  Speaker 4: where you're at? Correct?
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  Speaker 7: No, no, But I can't really see them that good.
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  Speaker 4: Try to keep an eye on them for the best
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  Speaker 4: they can, because I don't want you to lose shack
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  Speaker 4: of them. And do they have shoes on?
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  Speaker 7: No, not that I can see. I can't really see.
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  Speaker 9: That was fine.
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  Speaker 10: I've got them on the way, okay, Just trying to say,
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  Speaker 10: keep an eye on them. But the offsters are on
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  Speaker 10: the way, okay.
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  Speaker 2: They straight back out to Savannah, sat joining US w
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  Speaker 2: AFF forty eight and Bama Savannah again, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. Police get there really quickly. But when
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  Speaker 2: they get there, they see Curly's red Mercedes, but they
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  Speaker 2: don't that's Carly Russell. They don't see Carly and the
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  Speaker 2: vehicle is still running. No sign of the toggler. What
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  Speaker 2: did police find when they get there Savannah.
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  Speaker 7: Well, they find her purse. It had been left in
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  Speaker 7: the passenger seat, along with the wig that she had
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  Speaker 7: either had on that day or just had whipmer She
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  Speaker 7: planned to wear everything that, you know what it was
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  Speaker 7: expected to be on her person, except for her phone
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  Speaker 7: was found in that red Mercedes on the.
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  Speaker 4: Side of the road.
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  Speaker 2: Everything except the phone is found. Guys, we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: a woman who calls reporting a toddler on the side
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  Speaker 2: of the road. When police get there, there's nothing there
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  Speaker 2: and me police immediately begin to search.
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  Speaker 5: Could you tell me?
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to Mike Hatchell, joining US president and
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  Speaker 2: founder of Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. You can
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  Speaker 2: find him at PSAR dot org.
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  Speaker 5: Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Given that situation, what do police or what should police
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  Speaker 2: do immediately to find not only this woman, Carly Russell,
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  Speaker 2: but the baby.
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  Speaker 14: Well, once they get there and they arrived, of course
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  Speaker 14: they're going to get as many officers as they can.
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  Speaker 14: This is a high priority call when it comes in
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  Speaker 14: like this, we have children in danger, We have a
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  Speaker 14: woman that's calling there by the side of the road.
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  Speaker 14: Every law enforcement officer in that area is going to
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  Speaker 14: take that call and be there as quickly as they can.
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  Speaker 14: They're going to start from the off ramp and work
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  Speaker 14: their way back up. They're going to try to find
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  Speaker 14: the kids, and they're going to try to find her,
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  Speaker 14: and then they're going to bring in all the resources
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  Speaker 14: they can at this point because the phone is outside
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  Speaker 14: and she's not with the phone and there's no one
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  Speaker 14: to be found. Of course, the air assets will come in,
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  Speaker 14: the helicopters, and then the canine units will come in
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  Speaker 14: and they'll start tracking to see if they can locate
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  Speaker 14: anything in that area.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Hassel joining us from Peace River Canine and Search
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  Speaker 2: and Rescue. Well, Mike, you're exactly correct. Take a listener
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  Speaker 2: our cut twenty six. This is Chief Dervis with the
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  Speaker 2: Hoover PD.
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  Speaker 13: Hoover Police deployed all available assets from the point and
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  Speaker 13: the search for carding. Additional resources are called in to
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  Speaker 13: include our own drone unit. Crime scene investigators Numrous Detective
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  Speaker 13: responded to the scene throughout the day Friday. Officers from
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  Speaker 13: surrounding local federal agencies assistant Hoover Police to search for Cardi.
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  Speaker 13: Russell officer's return to the scene on four fifty nine
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  Speaker 13: to conduct a thorough line search for evidence. K nine
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  Speaker 13: teams from the County Chef's Department response to check for
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  Speaker 13: any sign of Carty, the child that she claimed to see,
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  Speaker 13: and anything else that could be considered evidence in this case.
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  Speaker 5: Those searches all turned up empty.
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  Speaker 2: Also, we learn that the police immediately call get in
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  Speaker 2: touch with T Mobile to ping the phone in real time.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me Lee Reeber, Mobile device forensic expert CEO Oxygen Forensics, Inc.
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  Speaker 2: Author of Mobile Forensic Investigations and host dob I love
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  Speaker 2: this name. Forensic Happy Hour, Lee, thanks for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: So we're hearing that Ellie law enforcement got an immediate
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  Speaker 2: ping on Carly Russell's phone, or at least try to.
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  Speaker 5: How does that work?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah? Sure, generally the telco company is going to send
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  Speaker 9: a signal to the device itself with a response. And
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  Speaker 9: so with the phones now with either GPS enables or
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  Speaker 9: just stand yourself signal, it's just a sales agnal. They
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  Speaker 9: could utilize it to triangulate it with a GPS nowadays.
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  Speaker 9: You know they didn't get within a meter with a
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  Speaker 9: precise location for that device.
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  Speaker 2: Guys the Hoover PD and beyond pulling out all the stots.
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  Speaker 2: But then they do something that I do all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen our cut twenty four.
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  Speaker 13: Data from Cardy's phone, including her Life at three sixty
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  Speaker 13: APP shows that she traveled approximately six hundred yards in
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  Speaker 13: her vehicle while she was on the phone. Was nine
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  Speaker 13: one one stating that she was following a child six
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  Speaker 13: hundred yards that is six football fields straight, six hundred yards.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how many times during the day and the night
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  Speaker 2: is my family subjected to the ding ding ding ding,
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  Speaker 2: where I'm looking for the iPad or the cell phone,
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  Speaker 2: anyway I can find it. And that's what they did
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  Speaker 2: year Cheryl McCollum. Life three sixty can find you if
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  Speaker 2: you're in another country, they can find you, of course,
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  Speaker 2: if you're in another state. But they do it here
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  Speaker 2: and they see that it goes six hundred yards six
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  Speaker 2: football fields straight.
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  Speaker 5: What does that tell you, Cheryl McCollum.
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  Speaker 11: Then there was no way a three or four year
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  Speaker 11: old is walking six hundred yards. They're not gonna walk
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  Speaker 11: six hundred football fields while you're just again following behind
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  Speaker 11: them in a car, not showing care and concern. The
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  Speaker 11: other thing that stuck out for law enforcement because it
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  Speaker 11: did for me Day one. She's the only person on this.
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  Speaker 5: Highway that saw this child.
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  Speaker 11: That's the only nine to one one call they got.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Cheryl McCollum, I'm I'm a frequent nine
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  Speaker 2: on one caller, and very often the dispatch will say, we've.
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  Speaker 5: Already got a car on the way, we've gotten another call.
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  Speaker 11: Fixty people had to pass that child during that six
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  Speaker 11: hundred yard froll. Nobody else called.
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  Speaker 5: Especially then here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 4: She's already, she stated, Charlie.
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  Speaker 11: Had her hazard zone. There is no way in the dark,
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  Speaker 11: going seventy miles an hour that you saw a baby
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  Speaker 11: up ahead with enough time to stop and pull over
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  Speaker 11: behind that child.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about that, But everything else you said
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  Speaker 2: I agree with. And the moment we heard that everybody
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  Speaker 2: skidded to an abrupt halt. But I could rationalize and
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  Speaker 2: explain it. But here's one thing I can't explain away
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  Speaker 2: that She's take a listen our cut for ABC thirty
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  Speaker 2: three forty bober.
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  Speaker 8: Police's new information is raising serious questions about the details
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  Speaker 8: of Carlie Russell's disappearance. Police now say that they have
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  Speaker 8: not found any evidence of a toddler walking down the interstate,
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  Speaker 8: as we are told Carly reported in her nine to
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  Speaker 8: one one call and subsequent call to a family member.
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  Speaker 8: Police also tell us that Carlely bought snacks at the
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  Speaker 8: target on Highway to eighty after leaving war. That food
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  Speaker 8: wasn't found in her car or with her cell phone
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  Speaker 8: and wig, which were discovered at the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's just get it right down to it. Savannah
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  Speaker 2: sap one question, what snacks? I want to know what snacks?
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  Speaker 2: She got at Target that she took with her chasing
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  Speaker 2: this top. What were the snacks?
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  Speaker 7: According to police, she had bought branola bars and cheese
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  Speaker 7: crackers or cheez its.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so what happened to them? Where are the snacks
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  Speaker 2: she just bought? Now we also know that after her job,
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  Speaker 2: where does she work?
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  Speaker 7: Savannah Sap Police reporters here thinks she worked at some
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  Speaker 7: spa at the Summit. I'm forgetting the name of it.
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  Speaker 5: What is the Summit?
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: The Summit is a kind of an upscale shopping center
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: in that area, lots of different stores, high traffic area.
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: But she had been working at a spa in that location.
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  Speaker 2: I went to go take a look at the Summit.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: It's woodhouse day spa. I wanted to go look at
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  Speaker 2: the Summit and walked around.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: There's every posh outlet. It's not outlet.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: There's stores that you can think of, little artists in
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: bakeries who are like a cupcake will cost seven or
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: eight dollars, that kind of place. That's what we're talking about.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: It's not like she is walking through a high crime area.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: She works there. Leaving there, goes to a Tazeki restaurant,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: gets food, we think to take home that food is
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: still in the vehicle, but the Target snacks are not.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: What else do we know about what she may have
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: had with her Take a listen to our cut twelve.
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  Speaker 13: On July thirteenth, at approximately eight twenty pm called it
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  Speaker 13: left work from a business at the Summit. Surveillance video
• 18:53
  Speaker 13: from her place of employment so is Carly concealed a
• 18:56
  Speaker 13: dark colored bathroom, a roll of toilet paper another items
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  Speaker 13: belonged to the business. Prior to her departure, she ordered
• 19:03
  Speaker 13: food from Taziki's at the Colonnade and traveled there. She
• 19:07
  Speaker 13: then traveled to Target on two to eighty, where she
• 19:10
  Speaker 13: purchased some granola bars and cheese its. From there, she
• 19:14
  Speaker 13: remained in the parking lot at that shopping center until
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  Speaker 13: nine twenty one pm, when she drove to I four
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  Speaker 13: fifty nine, carding communicator on her cell phone with individuals
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  Speaker 13: known to her while in her path of travel up
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  Speaker 13: to the point of calling nine to one one at
• 19:28
  Speaker 13: nine thirty four pm.
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  Speaker 2: They're right there, you're hearing again the Hoover PDE Chief
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Nick Dervis, trying to make sense of what happened to
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  Speaker 2: some of the evidence. Curious doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: forensic psychologists specializing in capital mitigation at Panthermitigation dot Com
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: literally wrote the book of criminal behavior Emperor Law on
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Psychology intersect doctor Sherry Schwartz, Why why hoard TP toilet
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: paper right before you go missing?
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  Speaker 12: Well, it's to me you are planning to be away
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  Speaker 12: for a while and not near a bathroom that has
• 20:06
  Speaker 12: toilet paper. That is a really strange thing to take
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  Speaker 12: with you unless you think you're going to need it
• 20:14
  Speaker 12: because you're going somewhere where there may not be toilet paper.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, I'm trying to figure out what other evidence we're
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: going to uncover. I want to talk about clues left behind.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Savana sat What can you tell me about computer searches
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: we believe were made by Carly Russell.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: This is something that I believe shocked everyone around this
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: case when we heard it from Hooverer ped yesterday during
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: this press conference. When they looked at Carly's phone records,
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: she had made some really questionable Google searches. She had
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: looked up the movie Taken with Lea Mason. She had
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: search quote do you have to pay for an amber alert?
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: She had also searched what the maximum age is for
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: an amber alert. All of these searches raised eyebrows and
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: a lot of suspicion for those who have covered the case,
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: and those who have, you know, put a lot of
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: effort into trying to find her.
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  Speaker 5: Take a listen now our cut thirty two the Hoover
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  Speaker 5: PDA chief.
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  Speaker 13: Part of what data includes several Internet searches and the
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: days leading up to their disappearance that I think are
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: very relevant to this case. On July eleventh, at seven
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: thirty am, the term do you have to pay for
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  Speaker 13: an amber alert?
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Was searched.
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: On July thirteenth, at one three am, the day of
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: her disappearance, the term how to take money from a
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  Speaker 13: register without being caught was searched.
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  Speaker 5: And that's not all. Take a listen to more from
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Chief Jervis and Cut thirty three.
• 21:54
  Speaker 13: On July thirteenth, at to thirteen am, the day of
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: her disappearance, the term Birmingham bus station was searched. On
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: July thirteenth, two thirty five am, a search for a
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: one way bus ticket from Birmingham to Nashville was conducted
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: with a departure date of July thirteenth. On July thirteenth,
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: at twelve ten PM, a search for the movie Taken
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: a film about a production was conducted. There were two
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: searches later to amber alerts on a computer at Carter's
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: place of employment, including one regarding the maximum age of
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: an amber alert.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: O Kedo Key to Lee Reeber and Mike hat Sol
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: first to Mike had Sole, president founder Peace River Caneine
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Search and Rescue. Really do you have to pay for
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: an amber alert?
• 22:50
  Speaker 14: Well, the taxpayers pay for the amber alert.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, taxpayers pray for that. That's me, that's us. How
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: much did this search do you believe? Just give me
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a rough estimate. You got drones, You've got well, of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: course there's volunteers out there. The family adamant screaming at
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the top of their lungs that the media is not
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: covering her disappearance as much as other disappearances. I mean,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: it goes on and on. The police are being pillaried.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: But how much money? Just give me a ballpark with
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the drones, the searches, the additional man hours, the investigation.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: What are we talking about here?
• 23:33
  Speaker 14: Somewhere between two hundred and fifty thousand and five hundred
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: thousand dollars.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Is my rough guess, okay, I'm sorry, could you just
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: slow down and say that I need to let that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: just sink in.
• 23:44
  Speaker 14: Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars probably minimums is somewhere
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: around and a half a million dollars.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Why what possibly could cost two hundred fifty thousand dollars.
• 23:53
  Speaker 14: You got hear assets or running anywhere from two thousand
• 23:56
  Speaker 14: to five thousand dollars an hour to operate. That's their
• 23:59
  Speaker 14: bird rate and what their fixed costs are. And then
• 24:03
  Speaker 14: on top of that, you've got the officers are there,
• 24:05
  Speaker 14: You've got over time, You've got hazard pay, so they're
• 24:07
  Speaker 14: not only just making their normal salary, but they're getting
• 24:10
  Speaker 14: extra money as well for the hard work that they're
• 24:12
  Speaker 14: putting in. And then of course you've got all the
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: other detectives. You've got the state police involved, You've got
• 24:19
  Speaker 14: the FBI involved. There's a lot going on here on
• 24:23
  Speaker 14: this case because according to the situation that we have now,
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: we have two missing kids and a missing girl. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 14: you got three people missing at this point that the
• 24:32
  Speaker 14: state believes are something's happened, and so you've got everybody
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: possible out there. This is James, It's not just.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: The monetary cost. I agree with everything he just said.
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: That's probably a realistic is but if not conservative. But
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: there's also other costs. The other costs are collateral damages
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: that are hard to quantify from a money standpoint, which
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: is there other people out there who have been victims
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: of crime that these resources have been diverted off of
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: their cases. There's a community placing this community in fear.
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: And those are costs that can't be quantified, but they
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: sure do exist.
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: Well.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Not only that, whenever a jury hears a true scenario,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a true crime where someone has been kidnapped, can't you
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: just see some let me just put it out there,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a whole defense attorney technical legal term arguing, oh this
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: is just another gone girl, this is just another take
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and it's all bs.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Don't convict my client. I can see it happening.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, Are you sitting down, You may need to
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: lay down the plot of Take Him. Liam Neeson, a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: former government operative, of course, is trying to reconnect with
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: his daughter. His worst fears come true when sex slavers
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: abduct the daughter and her friend after they arrive in
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Paris for a vacation with just four days until his
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: daughter will be auctioned off into sex slavery, Liam Neeson
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: must call on every skill he has ever learned in
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: black ops.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: To rescue her. What's going to come next?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Did she watch Gone Girl on Netflix before she disappeared?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Did she potentially look at the case of Chloe Stein
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: ringing a bell? Take a listen to our cut thirty
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: five KDKA.
• 26:46
  Speaker 15: State Police are investigating this young woman, Chloe Stein, who
• 26:51
  Speaker 15: has been missing since last night eleven PM.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: And I just talked to her mother.
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: As you can imagine, she is just distraught, breaking down,
• 27:00
  Speaker 15: just telling me she just wants answers, and right now
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: State police are trying to do that. They say they
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: got a call this morning from Chloe's boyfriend, who said
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: that he had communicated with her around eleven PM last night,
• 27:15
  Speaker 15: saying that she was being pulled over. Her mom said
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: something was wrong with her headlight, and at that point
• 27:22
  Speaker 15: the family never heard from her again.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm literally jumping out of my skin right there.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Couldn't you fast forward that just a tiny bit?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Jackie for Peace, say the woman pretended she was kidnapped
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: so she wouldn't have to admit she wasn't going to graduate.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: She played around, didn't get her hours. Isn't that Chloe.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: She didn't want her feeling to know she wasn't going
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to graduate. It's graduation day Saturday, and so she goes missing, okay,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and of course, you know, here's the poster shop for
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: fake kidnappings. Sherry Puppini cut thirty eight our Friends Matt
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Gutman GMA.
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppini vanished for twenty
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: two days. Then on Thanksgiving morning, she materialized on a
• 28:07
  Speaker 16: highway nearly one hundred and fifty miles from home, a
• 28:10
  Speaker 16: trucker stopping and calling nine to one one for her.
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: That call her for the first time this morning?
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: What's hurting? You're chained up?
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: She's chained up.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: The woman just goes a wall, leaving her husband and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: children behind to try to figure out where's mommy, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: shacks up with her old boyfriend and then actually brands herself,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you know, like a cattle to claim to Hispanic females
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: her words, not mine, abducted her, I guess, to ultimately
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: sell her into sex slavery.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Well, that didn't happen. She turned up for Turkey lunch
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: on Thanksgiving.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go back to our case in she I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: want you to take a listener what Curly Russell has
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to say in our cut twenty eight that poor Chief
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Nick Durvis man, he gave it all, spent so much
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: money and.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: This is what happens listen.
• 29:11
  Speaker 13: Detectors were ready to obtain a brief statement from her
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: prior to being treated and released. During the statement, she
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: told detectives that while driving down to the interstatement, she
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: saw a baby walking down the side of the road
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: and called nine one one.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: She started.
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: When she got out of her vehicle to check on
• 29:27
  Speaker 13: the child, a man came out of the trees and
• 29:30
  Speaker 13: mumbled that he was checking on the baby.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: She claimed that the man then picked her up and
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: she screamed. She stated he then made her go over
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: a fence.
• 29:39
  Speaker 13: She claims he then forced her into a car and
• 29:41
  Speaker 13: the next thing she remembers is being in the trailer
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: of an eighteen wheeler.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Okay, I've got to play some more. You have to
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: hear this.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Aren't you a little bit curious about a guy with
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: orange hair and a big ball spot Take a listener,
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  Speaker 2: cut twenty nine.
• 29:57
  Speaker 13: He stated that the male was with a female. However,
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: she never saw the female, only hearing her voice. She
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: also told detectives she could hear a baby crying. She
• 30:07
  Speaker 13: told detectives the male had orange hair with a big
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: bald spot on the back. She said she was able
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: to escape the eighteen whinner and fled on foot, only
• 30:15
  Speaker 13: be captured again and then was put in a car.
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: She claimed she was then blindfolded, but was not tied
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: up because the captor said they did not want to
• 30:23
  Speaker 13: leave impressions on her wrists. She said that they took
• 30:26
  Speaker 13: her into a house and made her get undressed. She
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: believes they took pictures of her, but she did not
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: remember them having any physical or sexual.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Contact and more from chief service.
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: She stated the next day she woke up and was
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: fed cheese crackers by the female. She said the woman
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: also played with her hair, but could not remember anything else.
• 30:46
  Speaker 13: At some point, she was put back in a vehicle.
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: She claims was able to escape while it was in
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: the West Hoover area. She told detectives she ran through
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: lots of woods until she came out near her residence.
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: During this inven uar, detectives noted that Carly had a
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: small injury to her lip, and she claimed that her
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: head was hurting.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: She also had a tear on her shirt.
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: Detectives alternated that she had one hundred and seven dollars
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: cash in her right sock.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Again, echo sais Sherry Peppini, who never saw her to
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: female Hispanic abducters, but only heard their voices. That's convenient
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: when it's time for police to draw a composite picture.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research Institute Director and founder.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: There are so many holes in that story. I could
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: drive a mack truck through them.
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: Oh my lord. First of all, she never mentions the weapon.
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: She's able to escape multiple times. She says the assailant
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: grabbed her, but she never says he also grabbed a baby.
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: If he's grabbing her with one arm and the baby
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: with the other to get somebody over the fence, how
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: in the world could she not escape? Then? How in
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: the world does nobody on this highway see any of
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: this happening? No scuffle, no fight, no nothing. She again
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: can remember being fed she's crackers, but not whether or
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: not she was sexually assaulted. She's able to escape multiple times,
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: only to be captured again somehow, and she goes from
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: a vehicle to attract your trailer to somehow. So when
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: they finally, you know, don't capture her again for the
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: fourth time, lulla Behold, she's in her own freaking neighborhood.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It is amazing that she remembers the cheese crackers but
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: not her sex attack. But now the family is angry,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: claiming that Curly Russell is having to deal with quote
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: trauma of people quote just making completely false allegations about her.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: They're angry, They're angry. I wonder how the Hoover p
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: D feels straight to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist, What
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: is happening?
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: Doctor Sherry, Well, I think for the family, you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: they need to believe that this happens, because the alternative
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: is they have to believe that Carly just basically had
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: a complete lack of conserent learn or any regret or
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: remorse about their distress. How this would create distress for them.
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: So I think for them, they're invested in, they want
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: to be supportive. They are needing to believe this story,
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: and so it does feel like a personal attack that
• 33:16
  Speaker 12: their daughter, their loved one, is being attacked.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Savannah sap In the midst of all their pain.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: This woman is safe and sound at home with her family.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: Go ahead, dear they you know, since Carly's return, they
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: have been eerily quiet and not allowing investigators to talk
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: further with Carly.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen. Now we're cutting nineteen. This is
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: from NBC.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: She's having to deal.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: With the trauma of people just making completely false allegations
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: about her.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Her family now urging the public to let the investigation
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: play out, but mentioning an abductor.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Her mother was asking to read a brief message to
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: the public.
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: Carlie has given detective her statement so that they can
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: continue to pursue her abductor.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Do you believe that there's an abductor still out there? Absolutely? Absolutely, Well,
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: you got to hand it to the mother. There's no
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: love like a mother's love.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: If you have information, dial two zero five eight two
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: two fifty three hundred.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Goodbye, friend,