Latest / The Front / One party, 11 egos: inside the Greens’ meltdown
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- 0:04Speaker 1: From The Australian, here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, October 6, 2026. AI giant Anthropix says artificial
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- 0:25Speaker 1: underway in Canberra today. The Armani co-pilot who allegedly attempted
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- 0:37Speaker 1: at Victoria's RMIT University. Those stories are live right now
- 0:41Speaker 1: at theaustralian.com.au. The Australian Greens have spent the past week
- 0:49Speaker 1: consumed by unintentionally hilarious mayhem as the party becomes more
- 0:53Speaker 1: about Gaza than the grassroots. They'd fit comfortably in a minivan.
- 0:58Speaker 1: But where are the Greens actually going? Richard Ferguson is
- 1:01Speaker 1: here in just a moment. Well, it's been a pretty
- 1:10Speaker 1: full-on 48 hours in my world.
- 1:12Speaker 2: I'm very, very proud to introduce the new leader of
- 1:17Speaker 2: the Australian Greens parliamentary team, Senator David Shoebridge.
- 1:22Speaker 3: This is an extraordinary moment in politics and we can
- 1:25Speaker 3: all feel it.
- 1:26Speaker 1: Politics can be brutal.
- 1:27Speaker 3: In defeat, Senator Faruqi releasing a statement which did not
- 1:30Speaker 3: congratulate the new leader and was critical of the ballot process.
- 1:34Speaker 2: Buckle up, because we've got a lot of work to do.
- 1:41Speaker 1: Richard Ferguson is the Australian's Canberra Bureau Chief. And Richard,
- 1:44Speaker 1: I know fun and light stories are hard to come
- 1:47Speaker 1: by in Canberra, but I did get quite a lot
- 1:49Speaker 1: of enjoyment out of the Greens' leadership dramas last week.
- 1:53Speaker 1: It was David Shoebridge versus Sarah Hansen-Young versus Maureen Faruqi.
- 1:58Speaker 1: There were toys being thrown out of the cot left,
- 2:00Speaker 1: right and centre. And ultimately, the very practical David Shoebridge
- 2:03Speaker 1: triumphed and goes into this week as the new leader
- 2:06Speaker 1: of the Greens.
- 2:09Speaker 3: We know the Greens need to seize this moment because
- 2:12Speaker 3: politics demands this of us.
- 2:15Speaker 1: What sort of Greens is he going to bring and
- 2:17Speaker 1: what was it like to experience that drama up close?
- 2:20Speaker 2: Well, it's extraordinary that we're calling David Shoebridge the practical
- 2:24Speaker 2: candidate when he is basically a radical, Trotskyite, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-capitalism,
- 2:36Speaker 2: candidate whose raison d'etre is we the Greens have been
- 2:42Speaker 2: too pally with Labour since they trounced us at the
- 2:46Speaker 2: last election and now it's time to take a more
- 2:49Speaker 2: aggressive approach against Anthony Albanese and the ALP.
- 2:54Speaker 3: And what has become so clear after four years of
- 2:58Speaker 3: this government and years before is that we are not
- 3:01Speaker 3: here to make the Labour Party any better. The Greens
- 3:05Speaker 3: are here to replace them.
- 3:08Speaker 2: And as David Shoebridge says, he wants to replace the
- 3:11Speaker 2: Labour Party as the main party of the left, as
- 3:14Speaker 2: a party of government. But what he is is a
- 3:17Speaker 2: really effective politician, right? Because he spent 12 years in
- 3:20Speaker 2: the bear pit of New South Wales politics. He is
- 3:23Speaker 2: a very effective Senate estimates interrogator.
- 3:26Speaker 4: Right.
- 3:27Speaker 3: Inside the FOI team, and you were trying to hang
- 3:29Speaker 3: these junior officers inside the FOI team out to dry
- 3:32Speaker 3: on this. Is that what you're doing?
- 3:33Speaker 2: That is not what I'm saying.
- 3:34Speaker 3: Well, then where did it come from?
- 3:37Speaker 2: He is a very skillful politician. He's about like Anthony
- 3:40Speaker 2: Albanese in that he's a chameleon. He hates the fact
- 3:42Speaker 2: that at his heart he is a Trotskyite radical uni student,
- 3:48Speaker 2: but pretends to kind of be a, you know, a
- 3:50Speaker 2: Wesley Barrister. That was compared to his closest rival, Maureen Farooqui,
- 3:56Speaker 2: who does not try to hide who she is at all,
- 3:58Speaker 2: which is a super woke lefty politician. That is the
- 4:03Speaker 2: biggest difference between the two of them, is that, quite frankly,
- 4:06Speaker 2: Shoebridge is a better politician. Doesn't make him any less
- 4:10Speaker 2: a dangerous politician, Claire. He could be a very dangerous politician,
- 4:13Speaker 2: but he is a better one.
- 4:19Speaker 1: Maureen Faruqi came into Parliament in the casual vacancy created
- 4:23Speaker 1: by the departure of Lee Rhiannon, one of the OG Greens,
- 4:26Speaker 1: you know, a really sort of green green who, you know, was,
- 4:29Speaker 1: you could always tell, most comfortable kind of chaining herself
- 4:31Speaker 1: to a bulldozer or opposing a new dam. She, Maureen Faruqi,
- 4:35Speaker 1: represents this new era of the Greens, which are all
- 4:38Speaker 1: about Gaza, all about what they're now calling anti-racism. She's
- 4:41Speaker 1: got a new kind of reason for being in that
- 4:43Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson hates her and the feeling seems to be mutual.
- 4:48Speaker 4: She continues to engage in racist and Islamophobic behaviour. Today's
- 4:53Speaker 4: win is for every single person out there who has
- 4:58Speaker 4: been told to go back to where you came from.
- 5:02Speaker 1: She said after the leadership ballot, A, well, I don't
- 5:05Speaker 1: like the way the vote was conducted. All the members
- 5:07Speaker 1: should be getting a vote, which is always hilarious. I mean,
- 5:10Speaker 1: imagine that. And B, I'm now going to devote myself
- 5:14Speaker 1: to more radical action outside the terrible constraints of the
- 5:16Speaker 1: leadership structure. She's already leading marches of 12-year-olds down the
- 5:22Speaker 1: main streets of our cities. How much more radical is
- 5:24Speaker 1: she going to get?
- 5:24Speaker 2: Well, she must be taking a leaf out of Leigh
- 5:26Speaker 2: Rhiannon's book because one of the great things about Leigh Rhiannon, Claire,
- 5:30Speaker 2: was that her family, when the Communist Party in Australia
- 5:33Speaker 2: split over Soviet invasions in Czechoslovakia and Hungary, her family
- 5:39Speaker 2: stuck with Russia and they stuck with the Stalinist kind
- 5:43Speaker 2: of invaders. So in many ways, Farooqi is just continuing
- 5:48Speaker 2: the legacy of her predecessor, which is be as radical
- 5:51Speaker 2: and obstinate as possible. This is where the interesting bit
- 5:55Speaker 2: comes to it. Because Maureen Farooqi, at her heart, her
- 5:59Speaker 2: radical agenda is not that different to David Shoebridge's. David
- 6:03Speaker 2: Shoebridge is is an anti-imperialist, anti-American candidate who veers so
- 6:10Speaker 2: close to the line with his protests against what he
- 6:14Speaker 2: calls the terrible evil of Israel, which can get very,
- 6:19Speaker 2: very close to the line. Marine Faruqi, through a couple
- 6:22Speaker 2: of statements, including saying that powerful forces were behind the
- 6:27Speaker 2: response to the Bondi terror attack, having to sack a
- 6:30Speaker 2: staffer who called the bombing of the Israel Adas synagogue
- 6:34Speaker 2: a Zionist false flag attack. She did condemn that staffer.
- 6:38Speaker 2: She did counsel that staffer. But the fact that she
- 6:40Speaker 2: had these kind of people around, she was unpalatable in
- 6:45Speaker 2: the end and is definitely unpalatable to the mainstream politics
- 6:50Speaker 2: that most of us would want to see. Because a
- 6:53Speaker 2: bit like Jeremy Corbyn, you know, while she's an anti-racist,
- 6:57Speaker 2: passionate anti-racist in her heart, and I don't think anybody
- 7:00Speaker 2: would deny that. She swims in a pool with a
- 7:04Speaker 2: lot of people whose anti-Zionism has been found to be
- 7:09Speaker 2: just a cover for anti-Semitism, including the fact that she's
- 7:12Speaker 2: made sure that she's the front and centre of every
- 7:15Speaker 2: anti-Israel protest in Sydney. And she's always standing in front
- 7:18Speaker 2: of very dodgy placards, which she then deletes from her
- 7:21Speaker 2: Instagram saying, oops, sorry, I didn't see that behind me.
- 7:24Speaker 2: And it's things like, you know, put Israel in the bin.
- 7:27Speaker 2: She said that days after the October 7 massacre, you know,
- 7:30Speaker 2: the worst mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust. And
- 7:34Speaker 2: this is before, you know, Gaza and the suffering that
- 7:38Speaker 2: happened there. She said that lighting up Parliament in the
- 7:43Speaker 2: colours of the flag of Israel, a country which had
- 7:45Speaker 2: just seen hundreds murdered and many more taken hostage and
- 7:50Speaker 2: many more raped, She said that that was one colonial
- 7:54Speaker 2: government supporting another. She just dances so close to the
- 8:00Speaker 2: line in a way that Shoebridge and Hanson Young would
- 8:03Speaker 2: be savvy enough to just take a step back from,
- 8:06Speaker 2: even if they hold many of the views that Faruqi does.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Yeah, I think also just making your whole political identity
- 8:13Speaker 1: about Israel in a country really where, let's be honest,
- 8:16Speaker 1: most Australians are not talking about this in the supermarket
- 8:19Speaker 1: queue or in the lineup to get into a rental property.
- 8:22Speaker 1: if you are making this your sort of main issue
- 8:26Speaker 1: and you're wondering why Jewish people think you might be
- 8:29Speaker 1: an anti-Semite, I think you've got a major problem. And
- 8:31Speaker 1: you're also consigning the Greens to the kind of fringe
- 8:36Speaker 1: situation that has always, let's be honest, always been their position.
- 8:39Speaker 1: They have tried, you know, David Shoebridge is now saying,
- 8:42Speaker 1: you know, we're going to take on Labor, we're going
- 8:44Speaker 1: to make ourselves an alternative party of government. We've heard
- 8:47Speaker 1: this story before. I mean, this is where Adam Bandt
- 8:49Speaker 1: was trying to go, aggressively trying to take Labor on.
- 8:53Speaker 3: It didn't work.
- 8:54Speaker 1: They've only got one person left in the House of Representatives,
- 8:57Speaker 1: down from four. There's 10 of them in the Senate,
- 9:00Speaker 1: and they can't even agree on who's going to be
- 9:02Speaker 1: the next leader. This is the first kind of vicious
- 9:04Speaker 1: contested campaign they've had, right? So it kind of feels
- 9:07Speaker 1: like it's falling apart.
- 9:08Speaker 2: It's incredible when you have a civil war between 11 people.
- 9:10Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 9:12Speaker 2: That's what it is. Most of them couldn't fit in
- 9:14Speaker 2: a minicab, and yet they're having a civil war. The
- 9:18Speaker 2: Liberals must be terrified watching this because this is probably
- 9:21Speaker 2: their future after the next election. I mean, basically half
- 9:24Speaker 2: the party room ran for leadership positions. It's just incredible.
- 9:29Speaker 1: Well, maybe Maureen Faruqi just needs to be a bit
- 9:31Speaker 1: more patient. Her term expires in 2031, as does Sarah
- 9:34Speaker 1: Hansen Young's, but David Shoebridge is out at the end
- 9:37Speaker 1: of June 2028. Of course, he might get re-elected, but
- 9:41Speaker 1: maybe if the two women hold on for long enough,
- 9:43Speaker 1: they can just fight it out between themselves.
- 9:45Speaker 2: The thing about Sarah Hansen-Young is that she clearly can't count.
- 9:49Speaker 2: She only had two votes in the party room. If
- 9:50Speaker 2: you know that you're going to have two votes in
- 9:52Speaker 2: the party room, you probably shouldn't run at all. You
- 9:55Speaker 2: could kind of feel Anthony Albanese, that old numbers man,
- 9:58Speaker 2: kind of saying, should I give her some of on
- 10:00Speaker 2: how to actually do this? But it is a case that,
- 10:04Speaker 2: you know, they could wait, but what are they waiting for?
- 10:06Speaker 2: I mean, this is the problem with the Greens. They
- 10:09Speaker 2: have just had a really rough time of it. As
- 10:11Speaker 2: you say, they lost... three out of four lower house
- 10:15Speaker 2: seats in 2025, including their leader, Adam Bantz. Their jewel
- 10:19Speaker 2: in the crown was the inner city Melbourne. If the
- 10:21Speaker 2: Greens can't hold inner city Melbourne, like, what's the point
- 10:24Speaker 2: of them? They have been completely unable to shift that
- 10:29Speaker 2: primary vote since. You know, it's kind of stuck between
- 10:32Speaker 2: 10 and 13. And they have been completely replaced as
- 10:36Speaker 2: the party of protest by Pauline Hanson, who represents everything
- 10:41Speaker 2: that they hate. everything that they hate. I mean, no
- 10:44Speaker 2: matter what you think about Pauline Hanson and nobody would
- 10:47Speaker 2: ever want to discount why people are voting for her,
- 10:50Speaker 2: but somebody who clearly has made racist statements in the past,
- 10:54Speaker 2: very racist statements, in fact. And this is somebody that
- 11:00Speaker 2: they thought that they were behind this. Between them and
- 11:02Speaker 2: the Teals, they seem absolutely shocked that they are no
- 11:05Speaker 2: longer the ascendant force in politics, not realising that they
- 11:09Speaker 2: were just a vehicle for people who hated the system.
- 11:13Speaker 2: and not for people who actually believe in their kind
- 11:15Speaker 2: of super woke utopia.
- 11:21Speaker 1: Coming up, what's Zoran Mamdani got that the Greens haven't?
- 11:24Speaker 3: MUSIC PLAYS.
- 11:39Speaker 1: Around the world, though, at the moment, we are seeing
- 11:41Speaker 1: the rise of hard left politicians who are very articulate
- 11:44Speaker 1: and it's really working for them. They're able to sort
- 11:46Speaker 1: of bring all these ideas, the same ideas, like being anti-Israel,
- 11:50Speaker 1: into the mainstream. So Zoran Mamdani in New York and
- 11:53Speaker 1: Zach Polanski, the leader of the Greens in the United Kingdom.
- 11:56Speaker 1: Why haven't the Australian Greens got anyone like that? Instead,
- 12:00Speaker 1: we've got David Shoebridge, who looks like he could be
- 12:01Speaker 1: leading the Liberals.
- 12:03Speaker 2: Well, first off, Claire, I think New York and Australia
- 12:06Speaker 2: are in different situations politically. It's a very hard economy
- 12:11Speaker 2: in America at the moment. People don't have health care.
- 12:15Speaker 2: People are really, really struggling. Gas prices there are extraordinary.
- 12:21Speaker 2: They are in a much worse economic situation to Australia,
- 12:25Speaker 2: and Australia is not in a good economic situation. They
- 12:28Speaker 2: also just do not have the savvy or the talent
- 12:32Speaker 2: of Mamdani. Mamdani is a once-in-a-generation political talent. So Donald Trump.
- 12:40Speaker 3: Since I know you're watching, I.
- 12:44Speaker 2: Have four words for you. Turn the volume up. Understand
- 12:57Speaker 2: social media to their core and makes everything about the
- 13:02Speaker 2: cost of living, even when they have other preoccupations like
- 13:06Speaker 2: Mamdani does, on top. Israel, which he has clearly had
- 13:10Speaker 2: throughout his career, very strange and sometimes, once again, borderline
- 13:16Speaker 2: anti-Semitic views on Israel. Although it must be said that Mamdani,
- 13:20Speaker 2: being mayor of New York, I think he has to,
- 13:23Speaker 2: has tried to take anti-Semitism seriously, regularly calls out anti-Semitic incidents.
- 13:30Speaker 2: While as the Australian Greens, especially Marine Faruqi, are constantly
- 13:35Speaker 2: saying that antisemitism is being treated differently to other forms
- 13:40Speaker 2: of racism and that social cohesion is just a term
- 13:44Speaker 2: used to shut down other minorities. This is in a
- 13:47Speaker 2: country where it's the Jews whose schools are being protected
- 13:52Speaker 2: by security guards. It's the Jews who have had their
- 13:55Speaker 2: synagogues and sometimes their kindergartens and their childcare centres bombed.
- 14:01Speaker 2: And it's in this country where 15 Australians were killed
- 14:05Speaker 2: on a beach on the first day of Hanukkah. You know,
- 14:08Speaker 2: this is the difference. Like, Mamdani is an anti-Israel politician, absolutely,
- 14:14Speaker 2: but he's A, a more talented politician, and B, he
- 14:17Speaker 2: understands that there is a different tinge to anti-Semitism.
- 14:20Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely a lot more sleek. Well, I can't
- 14:23Speaker 1: wait to find out what the Greens get up to next.
- 14:25Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Richard.
- 14:26Speaker 2: Thank you, Clare.
- 14:32Speaker 1: Richard Ferguson is The Australian's Canberra Bureau Chief.