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Men have a problem - but they still need to put women first | Maintaining Frame 69 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello everybody, and welcome on Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining frame number sixty nine. Oh no,
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apropos, it's not really. Yeah. Yeah, men have a problem,
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but they still have to put women first. We're going to be covering
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a couple of things. It started with an article, but thanks to it
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expanded to something that's sort of related and I don't know, I'm sorry,
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guys. We're gonna have to talk about the Barbie movie a little bit as
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well, because this stuff is related and it is important to not simply see
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it as a doll movie, which is like, how do you remember do
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you remember in like the late two thousand in teens? You know, I
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don't know what to prefer to them, like two thousand and seven, two
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thousand and six, after Gamer Game, maybe even a little bit before gamer
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Base, there is sixteen. Well you're around that area like in the teens.
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I apologized to everybody who's cringing for me, saying that when on YouTube
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there used to be this fashion or this trend of young women, like really
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young, like in their teens, doing bedroom feminism, and I don't mean
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that, like like a sexual thing. I know. It was like the
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college student that just like got like the tender studies. You know, she's
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got something to share. Yeah, it's seventeen year old who just read like
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the first feminist greed and she's she's reporting from her excessively pink bedroom with all
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the little new dads on the on the beds. This is this is that?
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Like the Barbie movie is that? And I remember responding to a lot
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of those girls and pointing out all of the illogic in in their assumptions,
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pointing out the real foundation of their beliefs because a lot of these these women
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have no idea what feminism is actually saying academically. And uh yeah, I
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remember all of those discussions, all those response videos for for the for the
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I don't know what we called them back then, but they like the really
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young neophyte feminists who are doing their first YouTube channel on feminism. Okay,
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the Barbie Movie is them, except growing up a little bit. I mean,
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that's it. That's basically all of Hollywood is all of those the tumbl
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tumble resa's they write for for TV and film. Now, So but I
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will I will say that, so anybody who was back then? They were
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like the same people who were saying, oh you get what are you responding
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to the Barbie movie? I bet you guys back then said why are you
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responding these these these innocent little little well you maybe you guys didn't like them,
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but why did you little girl? What's your problem with women in gaming?
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Or alternatively, like the people in our audience back then said, why
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are you responding these these girls? They have they have no clout? Oh
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yeah, why are you respondering to the Tumbler feminists? Why are you responding
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the bedroom feminists, you know, talking from their dorm room about the new
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feminism that they found. Well, because they do, they do have clout.
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Tumbler now writes for Hollywood, and these bedroom feminists have grown up and
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created a movie. Yep. Well now, I mean I've been talking about
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this forever, like like you know, I keep whenever I learned something new
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going on with Anita Sarkasian, I make sure to mention it in a new
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story because I want people to know that. You know, you'll find people
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in the quote unquote skeptic community saying Anita Sarkasian is old new She's gone,
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and they'll even talk about how oh, look, feminist frequency has been you
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know, it's been closed down. She's lost. It's over feminism BTFOD And
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I'm like, no, she works in the industry now, she's like,
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you know, working with developers. She's she's at the she's where she wants
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to be. She's got more power than she ever had before. She just
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doesn't need feminist frequency anymore. And that's the thing that Look, we're up
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against a Leviathan. This is not just like, it's not just bedroom feminists.
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It's not seventeen year old girls. It's the ideology. The ideology is
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one hundred over one hundred years old. It's only getting more powerful. And
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the fact that we have we still have so much simpage in our world is
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only essentially feeding that beast even more so. We're up against a titanic foe.
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And the only thing we can do, I mean, there are people
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doing you know, good stuff, right, Cafe is helping, Menu N
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yeah, NCFM, yeah, and x Y crew. You know, these
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are small things, but we're doing their best, and and other people have
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started mankind UK thank you. And then you know, you got like the
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people who are just like talking about how to sort of unravel this like rats
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nest of talking points and propaganda and like narratives that people need to look at
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because we're all like this whole thing started before any of us was born.
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So we came into this world and the world was already covered in lies.
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It was like it like lies running on top of lies, on top of
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lies, and we're living in a world of lies, and so like to
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unravel it and find the truths. It's it's not an easy thing. It's
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not something we're gonna see. It's gonna be low. It's gonna be a
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multi generational affair. Like you have to keep talking about it and making sure
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that the next generation knows and the next generation and so on. That's the
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only way. And I'm sorry, but you're not gonna see major change in
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your lifetime. You're just you're just gonna hope that you have started the process
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by talking about these things. And that means that people are going to talk
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about it in a clumsier way. They're going to be less efficient, maybe
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they're going to be less you know, specific or precise, but as long
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as they're at least pointing in the same direction and they're seeing, like where
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the root of the problems are at or some of the problem, instead of
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dealing with symptoms or getting distracted identifying enemies like that's the other thing. Yeah,
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yeah, well, I mean because the reason why I say that is
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people identify enemies when in fact, this is a behavior. Now I will,
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I will take this to my grave. This is a behavior. This
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is a behavior that anyone can succumb to. It is this, this,
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this, and that's a very difficult message to tell people. Uh no,
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there is no external enemy. I mean, to their degree. There are
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people who who who indulge in this behavior more or us than others. But
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everybody is susceptible to it. Everybody is susceptible to wanting to make excuses for
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putting women first. Yeah. Yeah, it's not it's yeah, it's not
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something you can unpack like at all easily. I mean, people have a
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visceral reaction to even like holding women accountable like that. Like it's so hard.
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And it's not simply a self preservational thing that women engage in, although
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I think that's part of it. But it's just it's just something we've been
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conditioned into for generations. It's not something the boomers did. It's not something
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gen X did, It's not something the silent generation did. It's something that
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we've been dealing with since like before World War One so well, and something
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ultimately that we've been dealing with since the dawn of civilization. Yeah, when
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I look at when I look at the progression of empire like it, it's
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it seems to go in these stages where you have this this identity for men,
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and for the most part, men's identities. I know this is not
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going to be the most popular thing to say, but as far as I
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can tell, men's identities, protecting and providing for women are is pretty much
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a universal throughout history. They will in the Bronze Age, they took an
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identity from protecting women. You know, Romans was both provision and protection of
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an abstraction, which later became nationality. But it's always revolving around a relationship
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to women, either the women, physical women, or often, I think
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a lot more productively, an ideal woman that represents the fraternity of men like
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a national identity, if that makes sense. But it always seems to have
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that kind of feminine muse at its heart. And what seems to happen is
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that a society lucks into some kind of really positive identity that gets men cooperating
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and working together, and it's it's driven by producing or providing and protecting for
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women at its core. Then it slumps into shaming men and it just paralyzes,
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and the productivity declines, the ability to form families decline, everything goes
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into decline, and there's this rise of almost feminine narcissism and then everything it
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doesn't necessarily collapse. It collapsed in Bronze Age, it didn't collapse in Rome.
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It just moved east and changed itself through the process of adopting Christianity,
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so it can reinvigorate itself with a new story, which is what I'm hoping
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is going to happen. But it just seems like it goes in the cycles,
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and we are definitely in an age driven by narcissism, specifically women's narcissism.
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I think in response, there's been a lot of masculine narcissism, but
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it started there's a push for masculine narcissism as well, but I don't think
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it's the right move. I think that's doubling down on the problem and it's
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just going to make that problem a lot worse. Yeah, we all should
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be serving the future of our species. Yeah, you know, and to
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a degree, the future of our planet, you know, the future of
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the creatures, our fellow creatures, our friends. You know. Think about
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what will happen to the dogs if we really fuck ourselves as humans? You
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know, what will happen to the cats and the hamsters? What do you
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think is going to happen to them? Well, the hamsters will probably be
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okay, the cats will probably eat the hamsters. The dogs would probably warn
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us. Yeah, but you know, like what would happen to all of
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the creatures that we've sort of taken responsibility for if we don't take care of
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ourselves, you know, and the Earth needs us at this point, like
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we are in symbiosis with the earth, the Earth. The Earth has us
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now we are here, and the Earth needs us in our present form to
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continue to exist as it does to avoid an extinction event. So I mean,
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think about all of that, these lots of things that we should we
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should be caring about a lot more than who Nina slept with. I don't
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know if anybody gets that reference. It's Logan's something or other. Logan Paul's
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uh yeah, there's some kind of drama about that. So I was trying
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to decipher it because everybody on Twitter when they would do this, these kinds
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of uh you know that when the dramas, when the kids go into the
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drama, they start using this very cryptic language that's sometimes impossible decipher, being
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you know, older as I am. But yeah, so there's lots there's
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lots more to care about in the world and to want to go forward for
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to realize that we are important and we are necessary, and human beings need
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to be here. We have a right to be here, We're wanted,
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and we need to be here. So you know, let's roll up our
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sleeves, solve these these psychological problems, ask the questions that need to be
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asked, and get her done. And like it's okay, before do you
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want to get into the the art. Let's let's get into the article.
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We should probably get started because we've already spent maybe I should do fifteen,
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Yeah, yeah, go ahead, do the things, all right, So
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we are doing our monthly fundraiser to keep this conversation going as long as we
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can. It's been ten years now and we want to keep it. We
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want to keep a note. We haven't want to do another ten years.
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Well, we don't want to do an We feel that if we can do
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another ten years, we will do another ten years. It'd be great if
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something really big changed in the in the interim, but it's probably unlikely.
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But we want to keep talking about the things in the way that we do
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because more and more I'm realizing that our approach is completely unique. We don't
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necessarily identify enemies. We identify behaviors, and that behavior is making excuses for
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putting women first that harm men's identities and sense of self. In this case,
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this egregious bullshit about men have constructed society for their own benefit at the
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expense of women, and the fallout of that belief, which again has never
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been proven to any standard, not even a civil court standard, much less
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a scientific standard, which such a belief would need to be proven if we
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lived in a non corrupt system before it's presented as some kind of universal truth
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in the way that it has, so it's not been proven. But it
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also leads to believing that the course of history is not driven by biological factors,
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So women's role in history wasn't driven by biological factors. It was driven
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by oppression by men, okay, and that itself sets us all on the
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long march to radical transgenderism. You cannot embrace the idea that gender roles are
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are socialized where it benefits women and then suddenly stop the train. Stop that
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freight train once it's up to like one hundred and sixty miles an hour,
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when you realize, oh shit, uh this this is the men are going
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to start to going to start to slip the bounds of our expectations based on
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biological factors. Geez, no, well, you know what. The freight
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train is already at one hundred and sixty and it's it's gonna it's gonna barrel
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into your society and you are not stopping it because literally, the people who
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are shoveling, you know, the people who say things like or believe things
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like men would construct society for their own benefit expensive women. The gender roles
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throughout history excluded women. They oppressed women. They weren't based on biology,
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They were based on men appropriating things for themselves at the expensive women. Well,
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what if you've done there, You've you've just set the one of the
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most powerful instincts that humans have, which is to protect and provide for women.
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Against the idea that that gender is a thing that's appropriate or that gender
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roles are come out an expression of our biology. No, now, their
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expression of oppression of women. You know, you're going to destroy the very
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basis, the very belief that men and women and their different behaviors are good
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or or at least neutral when you say that, actually they're an expression of
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oppression of women. That's what you're doing. You're destroying it by embracing the
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impression of women narrative. So every single person who embraces the oppression of women
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narrative that women's roles are are oppression, not based on biology, every single
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and also additionally, the reason why women have been liberated from their roles is
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not because they of feminism, but because of all of the technological achievements that
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reduced the labor in the home and gave them control over their fertility. Okay,
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that's it has nothing to do with effeminism, and it had nothing to
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do with oppression. In the past, people were dealing with the limitations of
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human reproduction. It was about biology, not oppression. And once you brace
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the oppression narrative, you are, in a sense, destroying all of the
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anything that protects roles sex roles as something innate or even neutral. They become
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an oppression that must be destroyed for women. And inevitably, once you start
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destroying that, you start destroying the entire structure of the child legitimacy behind gender
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roles, and that is going to put you on the path to radical transgenderism
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right there. There's no way around it. And everybody who embraces the idea
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that women are oppressed is basically in the radical transgender freight train saying oh,
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we need to stop while shoveling coal into the engine. Every single one of
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you is engaging in the behavior that's making the train go faster. Every single
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one of you that indulges in that, in this idea, that history is
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the history of the oppression of women, rather than the attempt by men to
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mediate the biological limitations that women exist under by necessity of reproducing the next generation.
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You are all shoveling the coal into the engine that's increasing the t the
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rate of speed of the radical transactivists. And I'm not talking about trans people
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who are currently even in transactivists in Canada who are opposing things like not informing
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parents that their children have suddenly started to use the opposite sex pronouns, or
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not using their sex as pronouns. I'm not talking about the trans people who
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just want to live their lives and think that this the radicalization, the victimization
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of the community is nuts. I'm talking about the radical transactivists who want to
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essentially push children into transitioning and who are increasingly like, what is it,
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ten percent? Now ten percent of children are now trans. Yeah, you
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know, and you go into you go into a school and you can manipulate
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children to believe anything. Okay, this is no more legitimate than any particular
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like this is no more legitimate than than some radical cult getting into a school
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and telling them that, you know, Jesus was actually space alien that hated
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them and wants them to commit suicide. Okay, this this is no different
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than any other radical extremist group deciding to go into a school and preach it's
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particular version of reality. All right. I don't know if this will end
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up getting us demonetized, but this isn't where that doesn't belong in a school,
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you know, and unfortunately all of you who think that you're actually opposing
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this freight train. Okay, all of you, who are you are?
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If you still push the narrative that women are oppressed by men, you are
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shoveling more coal into the engine. You have to stop. And this is
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the thing. This is why nobody wants this is This is why this just
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keeps going, and why the one group of people who seems capable of opposing
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it is who the Muslims. Why Because the whole concept of women's oppression hasn't
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gotten its claws as deep into their culture. Okay, that's why they have
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the the hut SPA to oppose this, and the rest of you just keep
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you say, oh, oh, we should stop this old Could you pass
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me another bucket of coal? I'm gonna throw it into the We should really
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stop this train. No, no, give me some more oppression of women.
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I'm gonna throw it into the engine. I think. Yeah, oh
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well, well shit, we're hitting eight hundred and eighty. Oh crap,
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we really should give me another bucket of coal. Yeah, yeah, women
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are oppressed, Ye throw it in. It's like it's watching. This is
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insane, and the people who embrace this think that their counter culture you're not
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counterculture. You're pushing this. We're you're gonna achieve substantic speeds at this rate
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because now what you've done is you have created the radical trans transactivist. It's
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like, it's like, Okay, bear with me, guys. I know
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this is maybe painful, but just just just bear with me. You have
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the radical transactivist agenda, and you the group of people who are looking at
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the radical transactivist agenda and saying, oh my god, it's more oppression of
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women. You've got a freaking uh, perpetual motion machine right there. Like
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it's like you're you're, you're, you're throwing the coal into the engine,
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and then it's just reappearing and throwing more into the engine. Oh, it's
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all all oppression of women. Oppression of women, throwing more coal into the
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engine. Let's get this damn freight train headed right for the heart of our
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society. Let's get it to subsonic speeds. Yeah, oppression of women more,
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bringing it, bring it, put it in. We can go faster,
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we can make the explosion worse. Let's make it so no one survives.
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Okay, so or waiting. Yeah, it's only been a half an
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hour. Allison, I mean we couldn't. Sorry, guys, got a
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little passionate. I got a little passionate. Oh sorry, I think we're
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gonna get much done today. All right, go ahead. Well it's just
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it's so I'm sorry, guys. All right, so you go to feed
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arm twisting because we only have two days left and we have about eighteen hundred
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and ten to go to hit the fold, to hit the the goal.
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So once again, let's feed the Badger dot com slash support. Please,
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please, please do help us out, because, like I said, more
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and more, I'm realizing that what we say is unique. The fact that
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it actually may not be unique, but the fact that I refused to step
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away from this line, and I refuse to say that there's any compromise here.
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We have to stop seeing women as oppressed or our world is going to
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implode, period, And I am there's no way I'm going to stop away
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from that, step away from that line, because I can see the connection
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between that belief system, that central belief system about the sexes and everything falling
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apart, Everything falling apart, because everything rests on an essential foundation of the
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relationship between the sexes. I know that sounds really crazy, but where else
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would it come from. Where else would the foundation of our society come from,
23:30
but the relationship between the sexes. And as soon as you embrace the
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narrative, everything starts to deteriorate. Now, there may be some reasons why
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initially, and someday I'll go into that, but at this point, we
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are an end game and we need to stop engaging in this behavior if we
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want to have a future. And this is not a very popular narrative,
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although you guys always every month, which is amazing and thank you so much.
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You manage to reach into your couch cushions and throw it enough dash at
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us for us to make it another month. But it does because it's not
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popular, because it's not about identifying an enemy, but identifying a behavior.
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You know, we're never going to see the numbers that other groups see or
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other other commentators see if we do. If we do, it'll probably be
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like, you know, fifty years from now, when we're all gone,
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and then they're like they discover it and then they're like, oh my god,
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the font of wisdom. I'm being egotistical but anyway, so but make
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sure that we can continue to talk about these things in the way that we
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hand it back to Brian so we can get this started. Yeah, let's
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start the show. So, by the way, shout out to Rumble Rumble
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He's pretty tired, but I do have him on camera because Lindsay is working,
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which means I have to end the show at about an hour and a
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half to pick her up. But we'll see how far we get. So
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yeah, let's get into So. I have an article from The Independent,
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written by one Olivia Petter, and she, I guess it's a series called
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Let's Unpack That, because the best conversations start with Let's unpack that. And
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she says, men have a problem and it won't be solved by either Enter
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Taate or Caitlin Moran. So we'll get into some of this. I also
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have two other things. There are two interviews that I thought might we might
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get to hopefully, if not today then maybe like next week or something.
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But we are talking about the Barbie movie. But I wanted to bring this.
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I wanted to bring this bit up because I have an interview with greta
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girl wig and she explicitly talks about the feminism of Barbie. And here's another
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interview with her and Margot Robbie, and it's literally a section on feminism.
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So you know, like in case somebody told you it's just a movie about
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a toy for girls, that's just stop it, okay, just stop pretending
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it's not. I want to see I want to see how accurate I was
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in my interpretation. I think that I know that my interpretation is not what
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they intended. But the truth is that you can say something in your work
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that you never intended to say. And I think that's what happened here.
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Maybe more I think an I think Gretwig hates man. That's what I think.
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But oh yeah, I mean there's a there's a way to color.
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It's where it's like, no, no, no, I don't hate men.
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I just think men should be serving women. Okay, I do not
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disagree, Like, what what I'm saying is not in any way incompatible with
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what you're saying. Yeah at all? Okay, not at all. So
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but we should probably save that for when we get to the the actual interview.
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Yeah, okay, if we get to it. Yeah, let's look
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at the article first. So I will start here. Oh, here we
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go. Oh I don't get to see I don't get to see Jojo.
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Oh yeah, because I mean I could. Yeah, it's there's a little
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picture of Jojo. He's just sleeping on his bed. Okay, all right,
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But anyway, so Caitlyn Morn and some questions for men. Why do
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they only go to the doctor if they're white? For girlfriend makes them?
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Why do they never discuss their penises with each other but make endless jokes about
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their balls? Is their fondness for super skinny genes leading to an epidemic of
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bad mental health? Are they allowed to be sad? I think this is
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meant to be like quirky and funny. This is the thing about these people
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is they never like. They never take things seriously when they should be,
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and then they become serious when it's totally inappropriate. Published earlier this month,
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more Ends What About Men. It's a book that she wrote. We talked
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about some of Moron's book or yeah, I'll just call a moron. I
28:33
don't know how you pronounce it. Morons. What About Men sees, one
28:37
of the nation's most prolific feminist writers, turn her attention through the problems facing
28:42
men and masculinity. Market it as a deep dive into the modern man.
28:48
The book interrogates a range of issues, for mental health to sexuality. It's
28:52
a noble pursuit, and yet it's one that has been ruthlessly torn apart apart.
28:56
Critics have labeled it everything from patronized, too full of quote flagrant stereotypes
29:03
end quote. One reviewer described it as quote rhetorical essentialism that lucratively pigeonholes men
29:08
and women, even at the risk of misconstruing both end quote. I don't
29:15
know, i'ven't read the book, but into we'll go ahead, and I'm
29:18
not feeling it. I mean I saw some like it. We we went
29:22
through an interview that Caitlin Moran did, and my conclusion is it's simply what's
29:27
been happening everywhere where male. The problems that men face is finally being felt
29:36
by people like Caitlyn Moran, like our government, like our entire society,
29:41
you know, and even the men are trying to like you know, voice
29:45
their their their feelings about this. I think that even though what's the name
29:52
of that country singer Patrick something right who did that song rich men north of
29:59
Richmond, I think that that was despite a lot of people having their own
30:03
views on what, you know, who it's supposed to speak to, I
30:07
think it's mostly speaks to men because it's men that are dealing with the at
30:11
the at the bottom of the you know, at the end of the day,
30:14
they're the ones confronted with these struggles, and that's why it's mostly men
30:18
that resonate. Uh yeah, Anthony Oliver, That's that's what I said,
30:22
Patrick. I don't know why I said that, but anyway, so I
30:26
think that there's a lot of things going on that sort of show that there
30:30
is you know, men's pain and their their issues are becoming basically un ignorable.
30:38
And I think that Caitlyn Moran sees that, she sees the writing on
30:41
the wall. She sees the response right the growth of these you know,
30:45
sort of men's I don't know, conversations, peace spaces, like the whatever
30:49
podcast like Pearl, like Fresh and Fit, like Andrew Tate, et cetera.
30:53
And she's like, well, somebody's gonna do this, and it can't
30:57
be them. It can't be the red pill part of the Internet. It
31:02
can't be these men. It has to be somebody like me, because if
31:04
it isn't me, then they're you know, basically like these men are going
31:10
to teach men to oppress women or something like that. There's this there's a
31:14
fear that men are gonna like self actualize and that you know, they're gonna
31:19
get their information from people, these people despies, and it's not men necessarily,
31:23
because you know, Pearl is one of these people, not the only
31:29
one either, and so they're like, well, yeah, go ahead,
31:32
oh yeah. Well what I was gonna say is that it's pretty hilarious because
31:36
Basically she's saying, we gotta change this lightbulb. Yeah, but it can't
31:42
be changed by anybody with a light bulb. Yeah, exactly. She's not
31:48
good. She doesn't have an interest in solving this problem. Because look,
31:52
you know, if I was, if I was about as charitable as I
31:56
could be, I would say that she's just going with like she's basically just
32:01
going with what she learned in college about men, which is feminist, the
32:06
feminist perspective on men, and that's the only way. It's like she's only
32:10
learned how to use the same tool, and now she has to use the
32:14
tool in a place where it doesn't work, but she's been told it does.
32:17
And that's that's what Caitlin, That's what the that's what the response is,
32:21
right, That's what Shuan Head was responding to. That's what she was
32:24
showing with all of her videos. This is it's the same arguments. It's
32:29
the Barbie movie. That's why I said there's a relationship, because when Greta
32:32
gerwig Is is asked about, you know, whether or not the film is
32:36
feminist, she says, well, yeah, you know, like like I
32:40
have to it. Okay, yeah, you got me. It's a feminist
32:44
movie. And then Margot Robbie is like, well, it's it's a slice,
32:46
and she's like, yeah, but it's a pretty big slice, right,
32:50
And at the end of the day they try to like, you know,
32:52
stick the landing. Oh it's humanist, right, but it's it's not,
32:55
because it's at the end of the day, the Barbie movies pose it
33:00
like desire to give men a spot in the women's hierarchy or whatever, you
33:07
know, is the same thing that all of the crazy commies that responded to,
33:13
you know, in Chuan Head's video and and the stuff that Caitlyn Morran.
33:16
They're all pushing the same perspective, and it's all about saying, well,
33:21
we know men are a resource, we need to use them. We
33:23
better tell them that they're gonna be best used by us. And that's all
33:28
it is. It's a it's a utility, you know. And so like,
33:31
I think that that is essentially what this woman's going to argue. But
33:37
she's just basically I think I haven't read this yet, but I'm gonna make
33:40
a prediction. I don't think she disagrees with Kitlyn Morand's approach. She just
33:45
thinks that Kitlyn moran is not using the proper like levels of rhetoric so that
33:51
you can hide what you're actually doing better, because it's not really about like
33:54
what we need to do, It's about how do we make men think or
33:58
feel comfortable enough to do what we want them to do without hating themselves as
34:04
much. Okay, oh damn it, I may have forgotten what I was
34:08
going to say. Oh no, no, no, no, let me
34:13
think, Let me think, all right. Honestly, I think it's possible
34:19
that once again two things. From talking to a bunch of feminists, there
34:27
is a huge amount about themselves that they don't understand from what I can tell,
34:31
Like, for example, a recent conversation I got into with a feminist,
34:35
I was asking her she told me that I said to her, Okay,
34:40
according to your belief system, basically there is no point in which you
34:45
are not controlled by men. And she came back with I'm not controlled by
34:52
men because I don't believe in God or something or religion. And I said,
34:55
so while I'm an atheist, so i'm not or I'm agnostic, so
34:59
I don't believe in men, or I'm not controlled by men, and she
35:01
said, well, you can still be controlled by men, contradicting herself if
35:07
you seek their approval, And I said, well, I mean there's a
35:08
lot of situations in which you would seek a person's approval. You know,
35:13
you might seek ammand's approval to get your visa. You might seek command's approval
35:16
to park somewhere. So you obviously need to narrow that down a bit.
35:21
What types of approval make a woman controlled by a man? And she's now
35:28
three days later, has refused to answer because I don't think she has an
35:31
answer. She's never actually thought about what her beliefs mean, or their affect
35:39
on her, or their affect on other women, or any of that.
35:43
She has no curiosity at all. I mean, I'm curious. I'm curious
35:47
to her response. That's why I keep asking, But she's not giving me
35:50
one because I don't think she has one. And that's really like, it's
35:55
like people go into these cults, and these cults give them easy answers by
36:02
simply saying, well, whatever's wrong, you call it this, that's the
36:07
enemy, and that's it. They don't give them a prescription for how to
36:13
be a better person, what to avoid. Really, it's all so nebulous
36:19
because it's all so shifting. It's like the eternal revolution. It's like,
36:23
embrace the paradoxes. And it's like, I don't want to live that way.
36:29
I want to know what approval should a woman avoid in order not to
36:32
be controlled by a man? No answer, And it's like you realize that
36:37
a living to that standard will end up will be you living to a standard
36:44
you never know how to. Embody will be complete. Like like you said,
36:47
embrace the paradox embrace eternally. Walking on edge stells for groups of people
36:53
who are waiting for you to slip out so that they can eject you,
36:58
and they can enjoy the feeling of the spasmodic ejection feeling as they get to
37:05
scapegoat someone. But the other thing I wanted to say is this is what
37:09
I wanted to point what I was trying to say when when Karen was arguing
37:14
with me, which I don't think we were really arguing. But whatever,
37:19
those people or those men, it's going to come down to this, does
37:25
your ideology create men capable of doing the job of keeping society going? That's
37:32
it. If your ideology does, If it makes prepares men and gets men
37:38
motivated to actually work the jobs that are required to keep society going, to
37:44
keep civilization going. Then that ideology will be what people embrace in the future,
37:51
because the alternative is everybody enjoys the lights turned off for the first time
37:58
in generations, no food on the shelves and no lights and no central heating
38:05
and no plumbing. It'll come down to that eventually, and the ideology that
38:12
keeps men continuing to work will be the one that wins out. The question
38:20
is what does that look like? That's what I meant. Yeah, and
38:27
it doesn't. I don't think it looks like whatever these people are talking about.
38:30
Okay, let's keep going, all right, So let me continue,
38:37
all right. But but in twenty twenty three, a time when misogyny is
38:40
rife online and the likes of Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson are upheld as stalwarts
38:45
of masculinity, Moron's questions are the kind we need to be asking more than
38:50
ever, why is it? Then nobody wants to answer them. Moron has
38:54
since responded to the backlash in an article in The Times, claiming that she's
38:59
been confronted by two different kinds of critics. Quote the first, We're all
39:02
like, how dare you suggest men have problems with communicating their emotions. That
39:07
is an incredibly old fashioned and patronizing generalization. End quote. Moran then writes,
39:13
quote, and the other half were like, how dare you suggest that
39:15
men should communicate their emotions? We're not biologically designed to be emotional. You're
39:20
just trying to turn us into women. End quote. I'm sure that those
39:23
are different. Those are exactly what that the binary set up that exists,
39:29
and not yeah, yeah, go ahead. Well I was going to say,
39:34
like, I don't, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Well,
39:37
I mean you can have both at once. Yeah, how dare you
39:39
suggest men have problems with communicating their emotions? Make men communicate their emotions in
39:44
ways unique to them. It's incredibly old fashioned and patronizing generalization to say that
39:50
men don't communicate their emotions based on how women communicate emotions? How dare you
39:55
suggest that women should communicate their emotions like women. We're not both biologically designed
40:00
to communicate emotions like women through emotional displays. You're just trying to turn us
40:05
into women. There you go more. Yeah, it's not it's not contradictory.
40:09
Plus, it's not a new thing. This whole like men need to
40:13
like express themselves like women. It's it's not a new thing. It's been
40:15
going on for one hundred years. Again, you can watch old episodes of
40:19
like The Honeymooners or The Flintstones where they were like, you need to get
40:22
in touch with your feminine side, and that was it was that, it
40:24
was, It was exactly that, you know. So this isn't even a
40:29
new thing, like Kaitla Moran is not. She's not pioneering new territory with
40:32
this. The only thing that these people need to do is maybe listen to
40:36
men like you know what I mean, like that that would like just listen
40:39
to them, stop telling them how to communicate with you, and just take
40:44
them as they are. You know, this is something else that I've seen
40:46
a lot. I just want to mention briefly. You know, there were
40:50
a lot of women, and I've talked about this before, there were a
40:52
lot of women in this in that to sort of like travel in this space,
40:57
in this or red pill men's issues whatever space, right, which is
41:02
like not an easy and simple thing to define, and it shouldn't be.
41:07
It's fine that men are all dealing with their own shit in their own way.
41:10
It's almost like we're individuals. But eventually it seems that and this is
41:16
not just true for women, but it does seem to be like more common
41:22
with women is that the longer they're in this area, the longer they deal
41:25
with, or talk with or listen to men who are extremely frustrated, who
41:30
are extremely lonely, depressed, angry, whatever, and they're trying to like
41:36
talk about it, the more likely or the harder it gets for those women
41:43
to stick around. And eventually, most like well not most, but a
41:46
lot of the time, they just unplug. I can't handle it. There's
41:49
too much anger, there's too much missogyny. Don't just say the missogy even
41:52
though it's not that it's just that these men are mad and they're frustrated enough.
41:58
No, they probably isn't enough, but but you know what I'm saying.
42:01
And then they'll walk away and they'll be like, I can't do this
42:04
anymore. And that's where you get I'm not gonna name any names, but
42:07
that's when you get some of the people who used to be sympathetic to these
42:10
issues and they've like essentially walked away or said those people have gone too far
42:14
or whatever, and it's like, you no, nothing's changed. The anger
42:17
is the same. It's just that now you're like getting it in the raw
42:22
and you're not able to handle it because it's not like it's not some woman
42:27
complaining about you know, the pink tax or something stupid. It's it's real,
42:30
serious stuff that has real consequences, you know, for men who are
42:35
struggling. Like that's that's why you can't handle it, because it's real and
42:38
you're dealing with fake shit. You're dealing with people who are you know,
42:43
mad because somebody like had fucking a three egg omelet and that that was like
42:47
some chickens babies, and they're all broke up over it. You're mad because
42:52
somebody claimed that you know, I don't know, like the like the volcano
43:00
eruption is because you bought like, you know, plastic straws or something like
43:07
not real things, right, But instead when there's a man who's like,
43:10
you know, I lost access to my kids, I've been falsely accused,
43:14
I've been I was you know, somebody attempted, like my girlfriend tried to
43:17
kill me or she lash out of rage and I call the police and they
43:21
arrested me. Whatever. When you're dealing with this stuff, this real shit.
43:25
Then you know these women can't handle it. It's mostly women that they
43:30
get to a point. And so my point in saying that is is that
43:35
Kaylin Moran isn't going to be able to help because she's not ready for men's
43:40
pain. And the reason why is because she is a feminist who believes that
43:45
men are stronger than women. They have more power, they have patriarchy,
43:50
they have oppressed women, and they'll do it again if they're not doing it
43:52
now right, And the same is true of the person who's writing this article.
43:57
The same is true is of Greta Gerwig. That's why did she put
43:59
the lie in the movie where the guy was like, we still do patriarchy,
44:01
we're just better at hiding it that it's they they and if he does.
44:06
As long as you hold that belief, you can't help men because you
44:09
will always think that they're invincible. You're gonna always think that they have power
44:14
and it doesn't matter. You know, you're gonna always be more worried about
44:17
their effect on you. Yeah, you're always going to worry about them.
44:21
You're gonna worry about the backlash. Put that quote. Yeah, you're gonn
44:23
always give me more worried you're more worried about controlling men than helping them,
44:28
and that you're never going to be in a position to help. And I
44:31
don't know what it is, like I've been doing this for twenty years.
44:35
I'm I rarely have a problem with the anger. I'm not sure what it
44:37
is. Well, I mean, like if you if you see it,
44:42
like I mean, I get angry sometimes. I don't know if you like,
44:45
but like a little bit. I mean sometimes I tried, you know,
44:52
I don't think it's good. But one time I got upset, uh
44:58
and I yelled and lindsay I made or cry and I felt awful about it,
45:01
but she didn't. She understood, you know, like she was like
45:06
I understand, like, you know, and it didn't drive her away.
45:08
So I think that women can find strengthen that in fact, that might be
45:14
something that would make a woman a better woman, is if because that's the
45:20
thing that I think women do for men. And when they just run away
45:23
or they're like, well this isn't comfortable, I'm gonna leave. Well,
45:27
yeah, you're not helping anymore. Yeah, it's about comfort, right,
45:29
It's like, oh I'm not comfortable, You're you're mad at like, you
45:32
know, women in the abstract or a woman or a series of women you've
45:37
run into. And I don't like that because I feel like that's a little
45:39
too close to me, even though it's got nothing to do with me,
45:43
but it might have something to do with me, so you know. And
45:45
that's that, I mean, that's that's that's something that women had to face.
45:51
It's the only way. And these women, this woman who wrote this
45:53
article, and Caitlyn Moran, she's not going to face that. No,
45:58
well, she's a dick did to the lukewarm amniotic fluid that she floats in.
46:04
But she's addicted to that, just that just sort of placid, kind
46:07
of constructed reality that men have created for her. She can't conceive of being
46:13
outside of it and actually realizing like much less realizing the the external chaos beyond
46:21
beyond the membrane of men, but even just realizing men's reaction to that external
46:25
chaos and the difficulties of it. She can't handle it. She's too weak
46:30
and frailty, right, exactly right, and Essenti'll she'll write passive aggressive jokes
46:37
about it. Yeah, it is. It's it's cowardice. What why aren't
46:43
you talking about your penis is more Favianism does hide a lot of female cowardice,
46:49
yeah does, and insecurity like it reframes things not in terms of of
46:55
recognizing a standard bravery for women, but that you pulled women to a standard
47:00
of bravery becomes misogyny because the expect putting any expectations on women is misogyny somehow,
47:07
not because women can't fulfill those expectations, but because they shouldn't have to
47:12
or something. But really it comes down to this individual is too weak minded
47:19
to truly understand men's issues, you know. And I can't even understand men's
47:23
issues the way men understand them. But you know, like I, I
47:29
understand them to a degree because I've listened and researched for two decades and for
47:36
whatever reason, I'm just somebody. I know what you're saying, Brian,
47:42
because I've seen it time and time again that the kitchen gets too damn hot
47:47
for the women and they run it. They just can't handle it, you
47:52
know, you just can't handle the heat. And I have seen it over
47:55
and over again. And it usually comes when a decision that they've made about
48:01
their life gets questioned or or they hear something that hits too close to home,
48:07
right yea, Like a man complains about something a woman did to him,
48:09
and the woman who's listening is like, oh shit, did I do
48:13
that? And then you know, like and then now that, yeah,
48:15
they don't want to deal with that. I think that happens a lot.
48:17
So yeah, yeah, And like I said, I don't know what,
48:22
like, I'm pretty sure that I want to call myself a counterexample at all,
48:25
because you know, probably in some ways I have well, I definitely
48:30
have the same issues. Sometimes you just need to step away and be like,
48:34
okay, break time, go play with the dog. But I haven't
48:38
yet turned away. I can't turn away from this because this is the truth.
48:44
Now, this is reality. Reality isn't the lukewarm sack that moron is
48:51
floating in, constructed by the men in her life, and the men are
48:53
who support the men in her life, and the men who support all of
48:57
the things that she enjoys and who are sheltering, literally sheltering her and continue
49:01
to shelter her from true understanding of the cost of constructing her lukewarm amniotic sack.
49:09
Okay, like she is, she is, like, you know,
49:15
it's difficult because a woman might poke a hand out of her amniotic sac and
49:19
it just feels so it feels so awful, doesn't it, that on that
49:23
very vulnerable skin, like it's just just and then she has to go back
49:28
in, chicag go back in because she's too weak and too frail. And
49:31
that's that's all it comes down to. Anyway, Let's keep going, because
49:35
right, let's keep going. So even this response vow came under fire,
49:42
with further critics arguing that Moron seemed to misunderstand why so many people were troubled
49:46
by the book, that, rather, What about Men flouted individualism to instead
49:52
present men as one universal body with shared belief systems and behavioral traits, all
49:57
of which seemed wildly outdated, and that the implication of her book was that
50:00
men are in trouble and Moron is here to fix them. Yeah, no
50:05
shit. Also, ye are buried, Yes, yes they are, and
50:10
Moron was operating under stereotypes. I remember watching the interview and I was like,
50:17
I was like, yeah, you don't do you do you even understand
50:21
men? Like you have sons, Like that's actually why she's writing this book.
50:23
She has two sons, and you don't understand then, like you're still
50:29
operating under what do you like? Watch like The Brady Bunch or something like
50:32
some old TV show with men in it, and like, oh, that's
50:36
what men are, right, So come on, men are unique. But
50:40
what the expectations that men labor under are not. The expectation is that men
50:45
put women first. Yep. And when they can't put women first, they
50:51
are a burden and burdeners need to be removed. That's what they labor under.
50:55
All men labor under that. You know, sometimes they get that.
51:00
I think one of the appeal of Andrew Tate is that he's managed to construct
51:07
an almost the illusion of an independent masculine identity. But when you actually listen
51:14
to him, it isn't like he's he's not really getting anything from the women
51:19
he's with. He's providing something and getting something in return, which somehow has
51:23
become misogyny but regardless, but he's constructed this illusion of an independent identity,
51:30
and that is actually in defiance of this expectation that men put women first.
51:37
You know, I don't think he's not putting women first. He may be
51:40
putting women, uh, he may be putting himself in there. Somewhere,
51:47
But like Andrew Tate, is not an example of the reverse. It's the
51:52
it's it's a counter example. It's almost like a release valve for men who
51:57
are in a situation where they either have been and raised to put women first,
52:00
or are socially expected to put women first, or governmentally mandated to put
52:06
women first. And here they get to see this guy who apparently seems to
52:10
not put women first but get something for himself. Yeah, and the irony
52:17
is that. I mean, if you look at the Barbie movie, and
52:22
the Barbie movie is a great illustration of a lot of stuff, but the
52:25
Kins really wanted to help the Barbies, and that's what the Barbies used to
52:30
manipulate the Kins into losing power. And so even the Kins wanted to put
52:37
the Barbies first, but they wanted to be in position to put the Barbies
52:39
first. And that was the problem. Like we're entering into the endgame,
52:45
whereas men want to be in position to put women first. They want to
52:51
be the hero saving the damsel. But we have to now deconstruct that role
52:57
and give them nothing, not even that role of putting women first, because
53:01
that's too much astoundingly, Yeah, you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
53:07
it's misogyny. It's it. We are we are going into the endgame where
53:13
men's identity, which was once based on guilt, which is the very pro
53:17
social emotion and it encourages protection and provision, is now based on shame.
53:23
There is no I mean, you can have this idea that there's the villain
53:28
as long as you've got the man is a villain, as long as the
53:30
heroes of a man, right, that's not true anymore. It's not true.
53:36
So they're completely deconstructed. They're trying to retain men's identity of putting women
53:40
first while deconstructing it. And the cost is men's mental health. To be
53:45
honest, all right, yere, I got a super I got some super
53:52
chats though, So alex W gives us two dollars, thank you, alex
53:57
W. And Albatross gives us five dollars and says it's better they leave if
54:04
they can't take the heat. Otherwise they're just the hindrance to the health of
54:06
folks they claim to care about. I agree, I mean, I think
54:08
it's better. But then you know, I ask that if you, if
54:13
you want to do this work, you're gonna have to deal with a lot
54:16
of mail emotion like, and that's the thing. Kately Moran and Shoe and
54:24
all of her people and Lauren Southern and other names that I said I wouldn't
54:30
drop. They basically think that men should be doing things the way that feminists
54:35
say mens do things, and when they don't and they're just doing it their
54:37
way, then that's too scary. So I guess you're not cut out to
54:43
deal with this, and maybe, you know, go do your Midsummer cryfest
54:46
over there and men will figure it out. Well, I mean, we've
54:51
all, we've done it since the beginning of time. I guess we're just
54:53
gonna have to keep doing it our way. But anyway, okay. Acording
55:00
to gender studies academics, oh, I love this because these people are the
55:02
best. They are the experts. And I don't know if you guys know,
55:07
but the experts are the only people we should be getting any advice from.
55:12
According to gender studies academics, there are several issues with this thesis.
55:15
The first is that men might not really be in trouble at all, at
55:19
least not in the way that Moron suggests. Historians have found people worrying about
55:23
the crisis of masculinity, which they put in quotes throughout history, says doctor
55:28
Ben Griffin, Associate Professor in Modern British History at Girton College, University of
55:34
Cambridge. But if a crisis is perpetual, it's not really a crisis.
55:37
It's just the way of things. Okay. What they mean by the crisis
55:42
of masculinity is the crisis of men living up to the expectations that are placed
55:45
on them. And yeah, that has been what a surprise that our society
55:52
that is constructed for the benefit of men at the expense of women is constantly
55:58
an eternally concerned that men live up to the expectations placed on them to sacrifice
56:05
themselves and provide for others. You know that. That's what that means.
56:08
Yeah, that doesn't mean that we have ever ever looked at things in terms
56:15
of, well, how is this affecting men that like the crisis of masculinity?
56:21
Excuse me, The crisis of masculinity does not mean the crisis of not
56:28
caring about men. It means the mule isn't pulling its weight. What do
56:34
we do about it? Yeah, that's it. Yep, that's right.
56:38
And feminists is part of that, like, it's this is the continuation of
56:43
the crisis of masculinity conversation. It's literally not doing anything new. It never
56:46
was. It's always been the same ship since before it was even called feminism.
56:52
So the real problem, he claims, is that masculine. I want
56:57
to say one last thing, Okay, okay. He does have a point
57:00
though, because this is what I see and a lot of the conservative conversation
57:07
about all of this. Again, it comes down to men living up to
57:10
responsibilities and a roll, not whether or not society is giving them the means
57:15
to do so or providing them a way of coping with what they're expected to
57:22
do. So it's nothing about what men need and what it's about what men
57:28
need to do for others. And and he's right, like, this is
57:32
this a lot of this comes down to it on you know, the side
57:37
that isn't his side supposedly, is that it really is more about whether or
57:42
not men live up to a standard than it is about whether or not they're
57:46
getting what they need to do so or you know, getting what they need
57:50
at all. All right, I just wanted to point that out, all
57:52
right, Yes, a sort of point here, That's what I'm getting at
57:57
the real problem, he claims, is that masculinity can not be discussed in
58:00
such singular terms. If we asked a football fan, a vicar, and
58:05
a banker to define manliness, we would probably get three very different answers.
58:08
He says, when people talk about a quote crisis of masculinity and quote,
58:13
they are usually complaining that their preferred variety of masculinity seems to be losing prestige
58:17
or influence relative to other forms of masculinity. I don't think that's true.
58:22
I don't think that's true. No, I don't think men are competing with
58:27
other men in that way. But I do think that it's true. A
58:30
vicar, a football fan, and a banker have different Well, they might
58:36
have a different idea of how masculinity is presented, but I think there is
58:39
a unifying like thread that runs through all of it. Right, So,
58:45
like a football player, a person who uses his body, a person uses
58:49
his mind, and a person that uses their heart. I guess they could
58:52
all be men, and they could all be doing the same thing in general
58:58
that would be considered masculine. Merit service and sacra Yeah, merit service and
59:02
sacrifice. An acknowledgement of their effect on the world. So a vicar,
59:07
a football fan, and a banker have an effect on the world and they
59:09
are aware of it, and it is like a big part of what defines
59:15
them. It's not just about the acquisition of the material or of they're a
59:22
success or approval with women, it's it's it's not status, it's not those
59:27
things, right, It's just like I feel strongly about this thing. Like
59:30
artists. You know, the most of the finest, the best artists in
59:34
history have been men. That that doesn't mean that they weren't masculine in their
59:38
own way. And I resent this idea. And I think this is what
59:42
gender studies teaches is that masculinity is always a force for let's say, something
59:50
aggressive, oppositional, you know, competitive. That's why this guy is saying,
59:55
Oh, the banker feels like his masculine is threatened by the football fan.
59:59
No, that's not how the No. And also that in the in
1:00:05
academia, like literally they removed all the positive virtues of masculinity. Yeah,
1:00:09
so what what what they What we're actually looking at now is this idea that
1:00:15
masculinity itself like the expression being a man, the hormonal system that is,
1:00:22
male has no virtues and we can't recognize those virtues. That is a that's
1:00:28
not a crisis of men aren't living up to something. That's a crisis of
1:00:34
we regard the identity of man to be a like a something criminal or corrupt
1:00:42
or mentally ill. Okay, that's literally what it is. And you can
1:00:46
see the progression of this in academia and the psychologic psychologic psychology industry. So
1:00:53
that is, it has nothing to do with what men are are not living
1:00:57
up to and everything to do with how people are finding men to exclude any
1:01:01
kind of virtue and saying that the the identity you would take from being born
1:01:08
in a male body is virtueless, corrupt, and criminal, okay, and
1:01:15
it's it is also culpable for men, and it's also diseased. Okay,
1:01:21
that's what's being said, right and digressing into the cold the crisis of masculinity.
1:01:29
People saying, oh, men aren't living up to their expectations. Well,
1:01:32
first of all, I also have beef with those people. It's the
1:01:36
weak men. People, weak societies breed weak men. Blah blah blah.
1:01:45
You are concerned about men living up to expectations while men are being told that
1:01:54
they are by virtue of the identity that they take from being born in their
1:02:00
body and identifying with their body, corrupt, criminal, and diseased. Okay,
1:02:09
we need to stop telling men that. I know this is going to
1:02:14
come to as a shock to a lot of people, but men probably are
1:02:17
going to have a great deal more difficulty doing the things that men do thus
1:02:22
living up to the standards being set by the people who need people those men
1:02:27
to do those things if they're constantly being told that they are criminal, corrupt,
1:02:34
and diseased because of who they are, and also they're going to have
1:02:38
some mental health problems because they're being told that they're criminal, corrupt, and
1:02:43
diseased because of who they are. Okay, that's how it sort of works.
1:02:46
So you can continue to talk about how weak men aren't living up to
1:02:51
the standards imposed on them by society, but you might want to look over
1:02:53
here and see what those men are having to deal with in terms of the
1:02:58
way that they're they're framed as men and realize that it's actually really difficult to
1:03:06
wake up in the morning shoulders the burden of a society telling you that you
1:03:10
are criminal, diseased and corrupt, and also shoulder the burden of making sure
1:03:16
that society has running water. It's it's a little bit you know, this
1:03:21
is like, it's it's a little bit much to ask of these quote unquote
1:03:24
weak men. Yeah. Sorry, I'm not a little pissed there. That's
1:03:30
sight Okay, all right, So let's see today we have ideas of masculinity
1:03:38
coming from all angles, whether it's in sociology, pop culture, advertising charities,
1:03:45
TikTok, government campaigns, or around a table in the pub. Well,
1:03:47
actually all of those are feminist perspectives, though, so I don't see
1:03:51
like they're all basically like in Lockstaff, except maybe the guys in the top
1:03:54
in the pub. Amid this cacophony of competing voices. Not really, it
1:03:59
is harder than ever. That's like saying, oh my god, I'm on
1:04:01
the news talking about masculinity, and there's somebody making a movie about masculinity,
1:04:06
and there's somebody like teaching a class on masculinity, and there's somebody on TikTok
1:04:12
making a video about We're all saying the same thing, but wow, what's
1:04:15
with all these competing voices? Really, they're all saying the same thing.
1:04:20
You're all saying the same thing, and none of you understand men and don't
1:04:24
have an interest in learning about men. Maybe you should listen to the guys
1:04:27
in the pub. Even if they're scrambling to figure out how to put what
1:04:30
they're going through into words, maybe they're saying something more true amid this cacophony
1:04:35
of competing voices. It is harder than ever for any one form of masculinity
1:04:40
to establish itself as culturally dominance, says doctor Griffin. To some people,
1:04:45
that looks like a crisis. Again, it's not about doctor Griffin is a
1:04:47
moron. Yeah, well he's a sociologist, so well, it'd literally he'd
1:04:53
be like, oh my god, this peacock has a gigantic fan of feathers,
1:04:57
and this raven has black feathers, and this blue a blue crested titty
1:05:01
bird whatever has blue crest while these birds have absolutely nothing in common. And
1:05:09
that's you're fucking moron. You are a moron, doctor Griffin. All of
1:05:14
these birds, Oh but look at all the different colored plumage. They nothing
1:05:17
in common, dumb ass. Your analysis and your taxonomy is as shallow as
1:05:28
like a micro like a a nanometer, deep puddle like this is this is
1:05:36
this is this is absolute stupidity. This man has said, amazing that this
1:05:42
gets public. No, it's not amazing that this gets published. Oh oh,
1:05:45
they're all what these birds they have nothing in common. They look so
1:05:47
different, yes, of course, but they have fundamental features in common.
1:05:53
And also what I see is that they will point all of these different groups
1:05:57
of men who have these kind of superficial differences and they will say, well,
1:06:00
there's no real masculinity. Therefore, we don't have to recognize that it
1:06:04
has any kind of quality to itself. So the reason why he's identifying all
1:06:11
these different masculinities, so that masculinity itself just disappears in a puff of smoke
1:06:17
and we don't have to actually recognize itself as something legitimate in and of itself.
1:06:23
Yeah, he's breaking it up into a powder and he's atomizing it.
1:06:27
Every grain is a different masculinity, and it's like you're useless. I mean,
1:06:32
I think honestly, these people don't actually want to fix anything. They
1:06:39
just want to talk around it forever and forever, like they don't they don't
1:06:45
ever want to get to anything real. They don't ever want to actually help
1:06:47
someone. They just want to keep talking around it because they're not They're afraid
1:06:51
to face the reality. They have to know the reality by now, like
1:06:56
they have to. If you're involved in this for this long, even if
1:06:59
you were in like embedded in academia for like ten years chasing after a PhD,
1:07:04
you have to at some point have thought, you know, some of
1:07:06
this doesn't really sound like it makes sense. There has to be but and
1:07:12
that's if I'm being really really charitable. But it seems to me that these
1:07:15
people who are so smart, so big brained, they will never they don't
1:07:21
want to get to the truth. And I think that a lot of this
1:07:25
stuff is very simple. They're just they don't have this courage to face it.
1:07:29
Okay, all right, we have a we have a burnt out light
1:07:32
bulb. Okay, it's in the hallway. We're all arrayed around it.
1:07:36
What are we gonna do? Okay, Well, obviously anybody who knows how
1:07:42
to replace a bulb, or knows that they exist or has one, obviously
1:07:46
they're they're not in the conversation because because you know, they have toxic masculinity,
1:07:53
you see, our toxic balbininity or whatever. It's just Griffin, who
1:07:58
is going to say, but do we know this is a light bulb?
1:08:01
I mean, there are light bulbs that you put on your Christmas tree.
1:08:06
There are light bulbs you put on a lamp post in a in a in
1:08:11
a city intersection. There there are light bulbs that you put in a light
1:08:16
bright. There are light bulbs that you put in your nights stand. There
1:08:23
are light bulbs on the moon. You know, there are light bulbs under
1:08:27
the ocean. There are so many kinds of light bulb. Therefore there is
1:08:31
no light bulb at all. Yeah, and you still can't see because it's
1:08:36
still dark. Okay, it's still dark. That's not to say, though,
1:08:42
that there aren't issues that need solving. In her book, Moron sites
1:08:45
a range of shocking statistics, shocking maybe for you, Among them that boys
1:08:49
are more likely than girls to be medicated in school for disruptive behavior, less
1:08:54
like the anxiety that prefers boys over girls. Yeah, in the patriarchal society,
1:09:00
less likely to go on to further education, and more likely to become
1:09:03
addicted to alcohol, drugs, or pornography. Men also make up the vast
1:09:08
majority of the homeless and prison populations, and on top of all that the
1:09:12
leading cause of death for men under fifty is suicide. Other concerns have also
1:09:15
emerged of late. Since the pandemic, There has been a notable rise in
1:09:20
penile enlargement surgeries, for example, a trend that highlights society's obsession with defining
1:09:26
masculinity and sexual terms by placing social currency on penis siety. Really, I
1:09:30
wonder, I wonder that society, society, society that. Yes, of
1:09:39
course, when men go on tender and they're trying to they're trying to find
1:09:44
a society to date. It's just this just society is always like, well,
1:09:47
how big is your deck? Yeah? You know, I have no
1:09:54
idea what that was. That was the That was the joker, because we
1:09:58
live in a society, Allison, Yes, we live in a society.
1:10:01
Literally. Yeah, it's society's obsession with defining masculinity and sexual terms. Society's
1:10:06
obsession, society. Yeah, society, Society is forcing them to get us
1:10:14
enlargement surgeries. Is society also forcing men to try to add like four inches
1:10:18
to their height to incredibly painful breaking leg and putting pins in your legs.
1:10:26
So you you you you increase the Yeah, it's like a pin. Yeah,
1:10:32
the inswort a pin that that gradually uh open, I know, I
1:10:39
know about I've looked into it. I wanted to it's society that made that,
1:10:43
and the penile thing and the and the you know, like the chin
1:10:46
maxing, the jawline stuff, all of that I want to talk about on
1:10:50
a lodge because it is society else, and it's society that's pushing these pressures
1:10:55
on men. Yeah, society. It's not society is just another way of
1:10:58
saying it's patriarchy that is that. Yeah, it's patriarchy that's obsessed with men
1:11:02
getting taller than they are in average and men having larger than average penises.
1:11:08
That. Yeah, that's all society. It's not you know, women's list
1:11:13
of attributes that they want that they put on their their profiles on dating sites.
1:11:18
No, it has nothing to do that. It's society. Why would
1:11:23
patriarchy give a crap about its sons, femurs and penis. I don't know
1:11:30
why. Indeed, why wouldn't patriarchy just be like, yeah, ladies,
1:11:35
no, you don't have the right to ask for you don't have a right
1:11:39
to ask for men to earn like double what they have because you know what,
1:11:44
then we'd need two other earths to fulfill your material desires, ladies.
1:11:48
And you don't have the right to ask for men to be four inches taller
1:11:51
than average. And you don't have the right to ask for a penis side
1:11:58
that's larger than average or even like within the average spread. Okay, that
1:12:02
you get. You get an average man because you are an average woman.
1:12:08
That is it? You know, if I were designing patriarchy, instead of
1:12:13
forcing men to go through probably horrific surgeries that have a high high degree of
1:12:18
potentially, I would imagine losing your penis or or getting blood clots in your
1:12:24
lungs in terms of increasing your or or having to take on the stress of
1:12:29
earning twice as much. Instead of that, I would actually raise girls to
1:12:34
realize that they're average and thus being average deserve only an average man. That's
1:12:43
what I will do, Isn't it like I could? Seriously, I need
1:12:46
to find the grand Poobah patriarch and tell him I could do this better for
1:12:50
you. I could do this. You need a woman. You need a
1:12:54
woman, You need a woman's touch. I believe he has an octopush shaped
1:12:59
base in the middle of a swamp in the Everglades and his name is doctor
1:13:01
Society. Well, I gotta find him. I'm going to offer him a
1:13:06
service. My services is his right hand handmaiden? Or is it like the
1:13:13
giant robot spider base on the moon on the further side of the moon.
1:13:15
I don't know. It's one of those. We gotta figure it out.
1:13:17
We gotta figure it out, all right. I think I could do a
1:13:20
better job. He's doing way too much cackling and posturing, and he needs
1:13:26
to get down to the nitty gritty of what needs to happen. Yeah,
1:13:30
all right, all right. Anyway, so a different kind of crisis talk
1:13:34
occurs when men find themselves incapable of performing their preferred variety of masculinity, explains
1:13:41
doctor Griffin. For some, this might be aligned with sexual prowess and performance.
1:13:45
Any sense of a shortcoming could then lead someone to feel as if it's
1:13:48
not possible to do things that make you a real man. But then another
1:13:53
question emerges, what does our men doing this to other men? Oh no,
1:13:57
I'm sorry, society is doing this to men society, Professor, doctor,
1:14:02
mister Society. It's this lack of identity that seems to be at the
1:14:08
heart of some of the biggest problems facing men today. We don't know how
1:14:12
we are meant to be anymore, says Max Dickens, comedian and author of
1:14:15
Billy Nomates, how I realize men have a friendship problem. While Max Dickens,
1:14:21
comedian and author, sounds like he really understands men, what Moran's book
1:14:27
presents as a stylish exemplar of a discourse that has become stuck. The think
1:14:30
pieces and the books all tend to have the same form. Here are men's
1:14:34
problems. The reason for said problems is that men are stuck in a box
1:14:39
of toxic masculine norms. If only men could behave more like women. That's
1:14:44
actually surprisingly based take. Well, he's a comedian, so yeah, he's
1:14:47
a comedian. Zo I guess we shouldn't take what he's saying seriously. No,
1:14:51
No, he's the comedian. If they are actually any good, they
1:14:56
usually have some pretty base takes. But I just wanted to, like,
1:15:00
so, could you roll scroll up again because I wanted to see those sentence
1:15:03
before this where this lack of identity seems to be at the heart of some
1:15:10
of the biggest problems facing men today. Okay, well, we have two
1:15:14
things, right. It's the traditional way of manipulating men to rise up to
1:15:18
the standards of whatever the powers that be you need them to do in order
1:15:21
to stay powers that be. For example, in World War One, go
1:15:26
in and get your head blown off, and watch your buddy get your head
1:15:29
blown off, and still sign on for next head blowing off adventure and then
1:15:34
also come home and then be shamed crap by you, by your female relatives.
1:15:39
But regardless, so you have that, you have be a real man.
1:15:44
Go get your head blown off, so things, so we can resolve
1:15:48
our political problems. That that's being a real man. Do you have that?
1:15:53
And then you have what feminism has done, which is actually the male
1:15:57
identity is criminal, corrupt, and also diseased. You know, that's where
1:16:01
it's gone. That's where we're at now because they're they're associating, they're literally
1:16:08
associating identifying as a man with committing suicide, and they're saying that means that
1:16:14
the masculine identity is a causal factor for suicide, not correlative. So in
1:16:18
other words, maybe there's something society is doing to people who identify as men
1:16:23
that's causing them to commit suicide. No, it's because these guys identify as
1:16:27
men that they're suicidal. Therefore, identifying as men is a disease marker.
1:16:32
It's diseased. Okay, that's how that's where we're at. Yeah, we
1:16:39
have the live up to these stupid standards, so I keep my power men,
1:16:44
and then we have the masculinity is diseased quadrant. Maybe we could do
1:16:50
something completely different, you know, like tell men that they have worth by
1:16:58
virtue of being men, you know, and and that they have despite being
1:17:04
in a society that says that they're corrupt, criminal and disease, they still
1:17:09
get up every morning and keep the lights fucking on. And maybe we should
1:17:13
be thanking them instead of blaming them for the current situation, which, honestly,
1:17:17
I know you might get upset with me, but this is what I
1:17:20
see a lot of conservatives doing the weak men ship. Oh it's all men
1:17:25
that's responsible for this crap. Some conservatives will listen to us. Others seem
1:17:29
to be eyeball deep in the sewage of blaming men for more shit, you
1:17:34
know, and uh, let's blame men that will surely at some point stop
1:17:40
the sewage from getting higher, even though it hasn't for the last one hundred
1:17:44
years. Okay, Brant done, Let's keep going. Do you have any
1:17:47
thank you because you haven't gotten anything nothing. Okay, that's really it's really
1:17:58
okay. I'll give it a go because this is a little bit concerning all
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the fact any book is promoting or prompting further interrogation into these issues is largely
1:19:43
a good thing. Well, perhaps something has to change about the tone of
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that interrogation if we're ever going to make progress. Oh here we go.
1:19:49
Well, we need a shift that encourages men to get involved in the conversation,
1:19:54
or at least stops casually insulting them, says Dickens. A lot of
1:19:58
men here phrases like toxic mask, lenity and they simply withdraw or worse,
1:20:01
it serves to confirm their sense of victimhood, so they chase in salubrious gurus
1:20:08
who provide cheap hope and unhealthy ideology. Who I wonder who, Yeah,
1:20:14
confirm a sense of victim Yeah, maybe they are victims Dickens, Like I
1:20:19
have to actually I have to actually withdraw my support of Dickens. Yeah,
1:20:24
what if men are victims? Like, why is it so difficult for anybody
1:20:29
to just be like, just sit with the concept. Yeah, maybe men
1:20:31
are victims. You know why, It's difficult because our entire society rests on
1:20:35
men's sacrifice, and if we make that sacrifice in any way illegitimate, we
1:20:41
have to start contending with some real issues, some real moral issues. Okay,
1:20:46
that's why, because then we have to start to really really look at
1:20:51
World War One and World War Two and see them in very different ways.
1:20:55
And no one wants to do that because we got a neocon agenda to persu
1:21:00
Thanks Dickens, thank you for sucking corporate and government cock being dped Okay.
1:21:11
In her response, Oh yeah right. In her response piece, Moron speculates
1:21:15
that one of the reasons why her book prompted such a backlash. It's because
1:21:19
it was written by a woman. Oh of course, yes, of course
1:21:23
that's must be it. It. Oh, I'm a woman that wrote a
1:21:26
book on men, and everybody hates me. I knew it misogyny. Here
1:21:30
you are welcome. Oh my god. It was the first question on the
1:21:34
first night of the tour that resolved my confusion over the backlash. She writes
1:21:39
you joked that you wish a man had written this book, said a man
1:21:42
in the audience. But how could he? Can you imagine a man saying,
1:21:45
what about men? Pay us attention? It's our turn now we'd be
1:21:48
torn to bits. It had to be a woman who said it first.
1:21:50
Well, I mean that's he's not lying, you know. I mean men
1:21:57
have been saying stuff for a long time him. And how how was doctor
1:22:01
Warren Fell treated? How was Paul Eli How was Sage Gerard treated? When
1:22:08
he spoke Paul Elam had never written those controversial takes, nobody would know who
1:22:14
he was. Yeah, and that is actually scary. Like they talk about
1:22:18
how, oh look at how horrible these men's gurus are, But the only
1:22:25
ones they pay attention to are the ones that offend them. Yep. I
1:22:29
don't know, Like, I don't know why they don't pay attention to them.
1:22:30
I guess we aren't offensive enough. I don't I don't know. I
1:22:34
think that the people that they get attention on the ones that algorithm favors.
1:22:40
I think there's I think there's fishy shit going on. But oh yeah,
1:22:44
because Peterson isn't Peterson is pretty unoffensive and he's considered like the top one of
1:22:48
the top gurus. Well, he has said if things that are slightly on
1:22:53
the edge of offensive, like you know, saying that fairly hefty uh Sports
1:23:00
Illustrated model was not beautiful, you know that was considered offensive. Of course
1:23:06
it was, But I mean it's just his opinion. Man. Yeah,
1:23:13
okay, but we got a super chow and I think some support. Allison
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sleepy Aussie gave us one hundred dollars and five dollars thank you so so much.
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That deserved some rows and he says, here's some dollary, dudes,
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I'll catch up with the show later on. Yeah. He uh, he
1:23:39
gave us one hundred bucks for the support, so thank you, sleepy assik
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and then he be bad sad gave us twenty five dollars. Oh nice,
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thank you come again. And math freak math freak one two three h barrow
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hoope that's not your legal name gives us twenty or ten dollars. So thank
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you, thank you very much. That's thank you very appreciated. Making feel
1:24:02
me feel a lot better. You know, that's really funny because we're in
1:24:08
and I know people would be horrified by this, but what I've noticed is
1:24:11
that, uh, even in this in this neck of the woods, guys
1:24:17
still care about women. You know. It's it's I'm glad because it allows
1:24:25
me to continue to do this work, but I know in a lot of
1:24:29
cases it's because you know, you see a woman out there doing it and
1:24:34
you just you want to help her because she's a woman. In some ways,
1:24:39
hopefully I'm providing good content that and and and helping Brian provide good content,
1:24:44
and Brian is also providing good content. But I know there's probably an
1:24:47
element of that as well. But you know, like maybe it's not so
1:24:51
bad. Uh. I don't do you want to call that simping because honestly,
1:24:56
if humans didn't simp to a degree, we probably would be dead.
1:24:59
As a speed sees So I only I think simping is when you do it
1:25:03
with like, ok it's not because it's the right thing to do, but
1:25:09
like because you know you're you're basically like, look, look, not not
1:25:14
most okay, not every woman is deserving a simpage. Yes, and also
1:25:19
don't okay, don't simp if you can you can yourself. If you're just
1:25:26
doing the right thing, I don't think it's simping. But if you're like
1:25:29
blindly protecting women, either specific bad actors or in the abstract because they are
1:25:35
women, that is simping to me. Okay, what I was going to
1:25:40
say is that I think I think that throughout most of human history, women
1:25:45
have tried to give back to a degree, So a lot of the simping
1:25:48
made made a certain amount of sense because women were functioning as the logistics.
1:25:54
So if the men were the infantry, the women were the logistics, supplying
1:25:57
them what they needed to do, what they could, you know, what
1:26:00
could and uh, and that makes sense that the infantry protects the logistics.
1:26:05
So this idea that women do what they can to help men and uh whatever
1:26:15
insight not just just just help, but also insight and whatever else they can
1:26:18
do, and in exchange, men support women. I think that's is that
1:26:23
that isn't simping, right, I mean, if a woman is actually trying
1:26:28
to be your partner and you are are helping her or making her life eat
1:26:33
easier, I don't think that's simping. No, No, I mean I
1:26:38
stand up for my wife. That's not simping. But if my wife looks
1:26:41
up, I call her out on it, that's all, and she'll do
1:26:44
the same for me, and I would ask her and then I would expect
1:26:45
that. Yeah, it's like mutual support. That's that's the ideal to aim
1:26:49
for. Okay, so I'll give you we do have another thank you,
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Oh nice, bala, I'll just do the first or bale be a l
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just do the first letters of your of your email gives us ten dollars,
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thank you, bowertic erratic, jesus el Zach Brannigan. He knows, he
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knows how to like lay out our compliment. Okay, And so we are
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at there's one hundred and one thousand, six hundred and forty to go,
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so we are making progress. Thank you everybody who helped out. Give a
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bow. And we do only have two days left, so it's getting pretty
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you know, throw it our way, feed the badger dot com slash
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support. Make us feel feel appreciated. You know, it's like it's like
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wearing. It's like getting into a snuggy weighted blanket with a a mug of
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hot coco. It's it's appreciated. It's it's comfy. All right, you
1:28:00
know that we can continue. I don't know if that helped. It's one
1:28:03
of my strained metaphors. Okay, let's keep going. All right, let's
1:28:10
see. It's a fair point, but one that highlights how far we have
1:28:16
to go in order to achieve a meaningful change. After all, no one's
1:28:19
denying that Moron's book isn't at least attempting to do something important. But I
1:28:24
think she's trying to hijack the conversation. But whatever, But perhaps the response
1:28:29
illustrates just how complex an attempt it is, given how charged conversations around gender
1:28:34
can be. Whatever you say, and whoever says it, they'll inevitably be
1:28:39
a group of people armed to attack or discredit your argument. That being said,
1:28:43
Moron's book went straight to number one on the Sunday Times bestseller list.
1:28:47
That doesn't mean anything, evidently, and despite people's protests, there is clearly
1:28:53
an audience for her perspective appeal to what is it a bandwagon fallacy and press
1:29:00
is being made, even if it might not feel like that. Would a
1:29:02
book like this even have been published five years ago? If well, there
1:29:06
is a couple of books that have been published that are sort of in this
1:29:11
ballpark, but you won't acknowledge them. And if it had, would anyone
1:29:14
have wanted to actually read it? Would Moron fill out rooms of people on
1:29:17
a nationwide book tour, all of whom had paid to listen to what she
1:29:21
has to say about men? The truth is because you know, when Peterson
1:29:27
goes on, he doesn't he doesn't have anything to say when he fills a
1:29:30
stadium. But okay, although he's not talking to men, I know,
1:29:34
but like men are like the majority of the people who go to his thing.
1:29:39
And also I would say, I don't know if he's distanced himself from
1:29:43
this, but I think at this point, you know, when he said
1:29:48
that women have the right to select whatever criteria they have, I don't know,
1:29:54
I think at the point where women have selected criteria that would require two
1:29:58
additional earths to fulfill, I think they need to somebody needs to bitch slap
1:30:02
them, and I think it's probably gonna be mother nature or just geopolitics.
1:30:09
But that's ridiculous. No, you literally, if men fulfilled women's criteria material
1:30:15
criterias tomorrow, we would be out like an entire earth, Like you would
1:30:20
just be eaten. The only thing that's stopping that kind of enormous environmental degradation
1:30:30
is the fact that men aren't fulfilling women's material desires at this point in time.
1:30:35
So it's like, okay, all right, Peterson, women's desires would
1:30:40
lead to ecological catastrophe. Do you still think that it's appropriate for women to
1:30:45
have hold whatever desires they want and furthermore, their desires either we have ecological
1:30:50
catastrophe because we do not have two extra earths just rattling around, or alternatively,
1:30:58
it doesn't happen men don't fulfill their desires, so we continue to exist
1:31:02
not having an ecological catastrophe, but we have a population collapse catastrophe. Maybe
1:31:10
at some point we could be like, women, what the fuck are you
1:31:15
doing? What are you expecting? Do you think you might be a tad
1:31:20
too ridiculous in what you want? You are an average woman, you get
1:31:27
an average man with an average salary. If that means you have to work
1:31:31
to support yourself, welcome to human history. At least you're doing work indoors
1:31:38
now, Like fuck, like, what what the hell? I mean?
1:31:45
No, No, it seems like nobody, not even Peterson. I mean,
1:31:47
I'm pretty sure what I'm saying is super radical, Like it must be
1:31:50
so radical. It's just like people can't even perceive it. It's like,
1:31:54
I'm i'man you know that Star Trek episode with the people in the supersonic people
1:31:59
that you couldn't even see because they're moving so fast. I think, I
1:32:01
think what I'm saying is so radical. The average person when they're looking at
1:32:06
me saying it just looks like I'm I'm flapping my lips and nothing is coming
1:32:10
out, you know, And it's that's that's that's why, that's why this
1:32:15
content is unique. Yeah, even I mean, and it doesn't mean I
1:32:18
don't think I think that Peterson not being aware of what you're saying about women
1:32:26
is is not exceptionally like bone headed or anything, because I think that it's
1:32:33
a well intended thing that he's saying. But he has a blind spot,
1:32:39
just like ninety nine point nine percent of the population, and all we're doing
1:32:44
is trying to get people to look at that. So if he gets that
1:32:47
part wrong, but he's surprisingly people have yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
1:32:51
Well, surprisingly people have a difficulty seeing their blind spots. Yeah,
1:32:57
it's wondered. You know, it's interesting how that works. But yeah,
1:33:00
it's like, right now, if men actually fulfilled women's desires, we'd have
1:33:05
an ecological catastrophy on our hands, Like, like, we can't do this.
1:33:10
It's it's there's there's just not enough earths around to do this, so
1:33:15
women need to And on the other hand, because we can't do that,
1:33:18
like we really don't want to do that, We don't actually want to fulfill
1:33:20
women's material desires because yeah, it'll just lead to disaster. But on the
1:33:27
other hand, if they don't scale back their material desires, they won't partner
1:33:30
with the average men, and we will have a demographic collapse that may lead
1:33:34
to another ecological catastrophe because nobody will be able to continue to keep the all
1:33:41
of the industries operating, like the earth is basically a cyborg. Now all
1:33:45
of our industries are now need to be kept operating, or we're going to
1:33:49
be dealing with an extinction event. So we either have a demographic collapse leading
1:33:57
to an distinction event, or we or men somehow magic up an extra like
1:34:03
double their salary and which translates into double the material the ability to consume,
1:34:13
or huge inflation and women eat the earth to death essentially. Or we can
1:34:23
do the inconceivable, which is finally, tell women you got to stop because
1:34:30
your desires are ridiculous, and you know you may you may end up with
1:34:39
a guy who you think is is less than than what you deserve. But
1:34:45
at the end of the day, when you die, you will have had
1:34:47
a life partner and somebody who cared enough about you to make your life easier.
1:34:53
That's gonna be a hell of a lot more than a woman who dies
1:34:56
and nobody comes to funeral. Yeah, like you know it's I mean,
1:35:06
eventually the oldest woman in the or the youngest woman in the friend group is
1:35:11
going to die and all of her older friends are dead. They aren't going
1:35:14
to her funeral. Anyway, I went in a little bit of a weird
1:35:19
direction with that. Let's let's keep going all right, all right, let's
1:35:25
see the truth is that there's always been, there's always going to be certain
1:35:28
belief systems holding people back, no matter how hard Moron or anyone else tries.
1:35:32
That's just the nature of conversations around masculinity. I guess we just can't
1:35:38
fix it. Let's talk about women again. In general. It's a good
1:35:42
thing for people to recognize that there is no way of there's no one way
1:35:45
of being a man, says doctor Griffin. Were were really really crazy idea,
1:35:49
dude, Wow, well many different birds. That means there's no bird.
1:35:56
There is no right way to mut Men out there thinking that there is
1:36:00
a right way. Because I know that that's all of you. I know
1:36:02
because I'm the big brained you know, two million IQ guy. I know
1:36:09
that there's no one right way to be a man. So stop trying to
1:36:13
do the thing that I think you're doing. Because I think I'm smarter than
1:36:15
you. I'm doing men right, says doctor Griffin. Were doing. The
1:36:21
problem with knowledge art is these people that this is a problem with no ignorance
1:36:29
is better than knowledge like this. Yeah, okay, but doctor Griffin tells
1:36:33
us all, well, there are so many different types of bird. That
1:36:35
means that there is no such thing as a bird. Yeah, good lord,
1:36:42
you know, then keep your secrets. You know. I think that
1:36:45
these types of men can recognize I mean, there might be a joking sense
1:36:51
of competition, but I think for the most part, many of these men
1:36:55
who are outside of feminism and academia can recognize the nature of the beast when
1:37:00
they see it, you know, the you know, the footballer can respect
1:37:04
the vicar. The vicar and has something to offer to the footballer. The
1:37:11
footballer has something to offer to the banker. The banker has something to offer
1:37:15
to the vicar. I mean, yes, of course. Yeah, that's
1:37:18
how that's Yeah, that's how men work. It's how we build society.
1:37:24
You know. Men have figured out how to be men since there were men.
1:37:30
And it's only now that people are like, why aren't men manning correctly?
1:37:34
And who are the people doing that? Women academics and academics. Yeah,
1:37:41
well yeah, because they were taught by a woman, you know,
1:37:45
And it all goes back to a man, of course. Yeah, but
1:37:47
you're right, but have been able to marry. We figured it out.
1:37:53
It's not that hard. Yeah, if you leave, it's it. It's
1:37:58
just so sudden, you know. It's like suddenly that when we have this
1:38:00
entire academic arm that ism is presenting the masculine identity, so identifying with your
1:38:09
body, the body you were born in, as a man, as a
1:38:13
biological man, the masculine identity is criminal, corrupt, and diseased. Suddenly
1:38:17
men are having a problem. Geez, I wonder why maybe we could just
1:38:23
stop that, you know, like, instead of all of this discussion,
1:38:28
let's just be like, you know, maybe we just just stop you guys
1:38:30
like doctor Griffin, and also the other alternative is doctor Griffins, who are
1:38:35
like, oh, there are so many birds in the world. That means
1:38:39
there's no such thing as a bird. There's almos so many types of birds.
1:38:43
That means there's no such thing as a bird. Right of course,
1:38:47
all right, where was I? In general, it's oh, yeah,
1:38:54
right, So it might be useful to acknowledge that the same man performs many
1:38:58
different masculinities in the course of a day. Why are we even categorizing this?
1:39:02
The individual who is a devoted family man caring for a dying parent might
1:39:06
be a ruthless businessman in the office and a clown in the pub. People.
1:39:13
People will have personalities and personalities different depending on the context. What I
1:39:18
just I just schooled you on this, children, did you know? I'm
1:39:24
sorry? Go ahead, I know. I know. Birds sometimes glide,
1:39:27
you know, they don't always flap their wings. They sometimes glide. They
1:39:30
sometimes hop on the ground, They sometimes perch on a branch. Therefore there's
1:39:34
no real burdens. Yeah, there is no There is no essence of bird.
1:39:43
Jesus Christ. Okay. The important thing that's often missing from these conversations,
1:39:47
both online and off, is no accepting nuance my favorite word. It's
1:39:57
like society accepting that one person's definition of being a man is different from others,
1:40:02
and that no two men perform masculinity in the same way is key to
1:40:05
becoming a more progressive and inclusive society that can benefit all genders. No two
1:40:12
men perform masculinity, no two farm Okay, but then there is a masculinity.
1:40:17
Do you recognize a masculinity that's legitimate, not corrupt, criminal and diseased?
1:40:25
Because there's the problem. Yeah, to this is this is the most
1:40:30
trivial fucking observation. Yeah, men, men are different, Yo, they
1:40:33
have different personalities and interests. Oh my god, that means okay, you
1:40:39
know what they did here, They invented the problem. Like they they're like,
1:40:43
oh yeah, men, they just said a bunch of words that have
1:40:45
no meaning, said a whole troutload a word that had no meaning. No,
1:40:50
Actually they did, and I'm going to tell you how right. Okay,
1:40:55
So I'm going to go back to our our our lightbulb metaphor. So
1:40:59
we're all standing in the dark with this light bulb, and you got doctor
1:41:02
Griffin saying, well, there are so many types of bulbs in the world,
1:41:06
therefore there is no such thing as a lightbulb. And then you got
1:41:11
the other people who are like, but light bulbs do all come and whatever
1:41:14
what they've done. As somebody has said in this article, the author has
1:41:19
said, the problem isn't that the light bulb has burnt out. The problem
1:41:27
is this other thing. You know. The problem is that we have shuttered
1:41:32
the window. Okay, and that's why it's dark in here. So let's
1:41:39
focus on that as the problem. So the problem isn't this crisis of masculinity,
1:41:44
which what I would say is the crisis of the demonization of men.
1:41:47
That's not the problem. The problem is that men cannot recognize each other's masculinity
1:41:55
as legitimate. Do you see what they've done, Because so they they basically
1:42:01
define the problem as this and and then they've just basically said, while,
1:42:08
yeah, it's men men's problem, let's let's move on. But what a
1:42:11
surprise, huh? You know? Yeah, this articles to government. Men's
1:42:15
problem is men? Yep, all right, last bit. There's always an
1:42:23
audience of people who like to be told that their complex problems have simple solutions,
1:42:27
adds doctor Griffin. Plus some men seem incapable of realizing that Fight Club
1:42:31
was a satire? Is that like ending on a joke? Yeah? I
1:42:35
guess so can we can we go back to that because I want to discuss
1:42:38
it the fight club thing, or yeah, well not the fight club thing.
1:42:43
I couldn't give a crap about fight Club. Who cares? It's a
1:42:45
movie, guy, it's not it's not wisdom. There's always an audience of
1:42:49
people who like to be told that their complex societies have simple solutions or complex
1:42:54
problems. So if there's a crisis of identity, men identifying as men,
1:42:58
or men feeling comfortable or men having mental health issues, it can't Possibly the
1:43:03
problem can't be because people like doctor Griffith either define masculinity out of existence by
1:43:11
saying there are so many types of birds in the world, therefore there is
1:43:14
no such thing as a bird, or because other people have defined masculinity in
1:43:20
the worst way, like they've made men responsible for criminal acts. They've basically
1:43:27
defined masculinity as responsible for criminality, corruption, and disease. Okay, that
1:43:31
can't be the problem here. That can't be the problem. No, Instead,
1:43:36
it has to be men are not recognizing the masculinity of other men.
1:43:42
The problem is that men are trying to make other men do masculinity in the
1:43:45
way that they do it. Okay, let's just take the conservatives that this
1:43:50
might apply to out of the picture, the ones who are like weak men
1:43:55
crap that end, who also incidentally push a lot of the women narrative.
1:44:01
Okay, let's take them out of the picture. I have rarely seen a
1:44:05
man in real life tell another man that he's doing masculinity incorrectly. Maybe maybe
1:44:19
tw on Twitter, but you can find people expressing every psychotic opinion on Twitter,
1:44:28
you know, And uh, well, I mean I guess he gets
1:44:30
shaming of of of of more feminine men, I suppose on Twitter. Yeah,
1:44:36
and you know that's not great, But this is not what they're promoting.
1:44:40
Like, these people aren't promoting this idea, this live and let live
1:44:44
attitude. They're not promoting the idea that they are certainly aren't promoting the idea
1:44:49
that feminine men can be feminine but also shouldn't condemn or or being dismissive of
1:45:00
masculine men. Like they're not promoting that. They're not They're not promoting a
1:45:04
live and let live attitude. They're promoting once again, men have a have
1:45:10
a crisis of identity. This is how it's their own fault. And I
1:45:14
the greatest irony is at the end of that, at the end of trotting
1:45:17
out the nuanced gymnastics to deal with this problem, the problem of men's identity
1:45:25
not masculine like not living up to something in terms of identity, but in
1:45:29
terms of not perceiving themselves to have an identity of worth just innately as by
1:45:34
virtue of being born, or at least a neutral identity that could be worked
1:45:41
into something of worth, but instead being saddled with you know, criminality,
1:45:44
corruption and disease, you know, instead of that we've suddenly come alighted upon
1:45:51
defining the problem in such a way that men are responsible for it. Therefore
1:45:56
we don't have to care talk about simplifying things like that's that's not just simplifying
1:46:02
like he said, Oh, people like a simple answer to whether you didn't
1:46:05
just simplify the answer to the problem. You simplified the problem, dude,
1:46:10
Griffin, you you're you're like you're looking at someone else and there there were
1:46:14
they're seeking a simple answer to their problems or where their problems come from.
1:46:18
Griffin, you didn't just simplify the solution. You simplified the fucking problem.
1:46:29
Do you see what I'm saying. You simplified the problem down to men being
1:46:35
intolerant to other people men's masculinity and attacking other men's masculinity. You simplified the
1:46:43
problem down to that. And then you said, the problem is you know,
1:46:45
the source of the problem is men. It doesn't get simpler than that,
1:46:49
and it doesn't. And this is how he applies his nuance. Yeah,
1:46:54
to always frame the problem so that the source the problem is men.
1:47:00
That's nuanced, folks, but spares the pain of having to like confront anything.
1:47:04
Well, yeah, confront the truth, the reality of what they have
1:47:09
contributed to. That's well, that is the thing they don't want to face,
1:47:15
is that women a part to play. God forbid, Olivia or Caitlin
1:47:20
have their warm amniotic sack punctured and they have to actually face something with a
1:47:27
bit of fucking courage. I know. Language, Oh yeah, hold on,
1:47:32
language all right, So I got a little bit of time. Do
1:47:38
you have any thank yous? Have a pick up, lindsay, But I
1:47:43
wanted to show that little clip from Greta Girlwig. It's just a little thing.
1:47:47
This is related. So she's talking about Yeah, so they're talking about
1:47:53
like it's kind of a puff thing. About seven minutes. I also have
1:47:56
a longer one. Maybe we can do this another time with Greta Gerwig being
1:48:00
interviewed along with Margot Robbie. But this is important because this is kind of
1:48:05
in line with the same thing Greta Gerwig is going to. She's basically talking
1:48:10
about they're talking about the ken thing. So let's play. Let me turn
1:48:14
on the why do they have such sleazy smug expressions on she is a very
1:48:19
strange and awkward woman. And then but what things do you have? Good
1:48:24
Kenergy's one thing. What's one thing I think we'll be You're getting an echo?
1:48:33
Yeah, weird? This odd. Let me just see what's going on
1:48:36
here, all right, maybe it's playing out of two channels at the same
1:48:40
time on your As long as nobody else is getting an echo, it doesn't
1:48:43
matter. I'll just I'll just gnaw the inside of my cheek and artistic annoyance.
1:48:47
Greta Gerwig is the director of this movie. Okay, that's Greta Gerwig.
1:48:53
Yeah. Margot Robbie started a company because she wanted to make films that
1:48:59
focus on in and she Margot Robbie had the idea to start the Barbie movie
1:49:03
as a project, and she brought Greti Herwig on to write and direct,
1:49:09
so or help her write. I think Margot Robbie was involved too. It
1:49:13
just sounds insane, but these are the conversations we'd have. I think there's
1:49:15
self actualized keenergy, which is where Ken gets to at the end of the
1:49:18
movie. I think, uh, men, in there, just stop it
1:49:28
there for a second. I don't know if you're going to hit, get
1:49:30
hit. Okay, she's just very she's just really awkward, guys, Okay,
1:49:39
strange supporting women with like an open hand, but that like nobody everybody,
1:49:45
just as everybody wants everybody to soar, okay, stop all right,
1:49:51
let me that's kind of like the basic of it is that she's saying that.
1:49:56
I know they're talking about kenergy and I put that in quotes. We
1:50:00
what she's really saying is good men, Like, a positive masculinity is a
1:50:05
masculinity that supports women with an open hand. That's literally every argument. No
1:50:14
obviously not a close fist, but like that's literally every like that's the same
1:50:18
exact thing that Olivia Petter is saying. It's what Kaitlin Morrine is saying.
1:50:24
It's what uh you know, all of yeah, I said Olivia Petter,
1:50:29
all of these people that are actually like that have the largest platforms and the
1:50:33
largest megaphones that are talking about men, are saying the exact same thing.
1:50:39
Men are best, Like, the best kind of masculinity is the masculinity that
1:50:44
is in service to women, because women, no matter how much men have
1:50:48
been through, women always have at worst. Women always need priority, They
1:50:53
always need a leg up. And she'll say something like this, fucking you
1:50:57
know, platitude of a rising tide raises all ships but none of that.
1:51:01
That's all bullshit, like it's it's it is bullshit. It is so,
1:51:05
you know, I just wanted to put that in context. Maybe tomorrow or
1:51:11
whenever we do another thing, we'll go through the other one. I don't
1:51:14
really want to put Karen through that because she hasn't watched the movie and I
1:51:17
you know, but I do think that there is you just want to put
1:51:21
me through it. Well, you've seen it and you made me watch it
1:51:24
twice, so yeah, I watched it three times now. Oh god,
1:51:30
yeah, it's it's terrible. You know, it's not. I Like I
1:51:34
said, I I had an inoculation by reading modern fiction. I get it.
1:51:44
I get it. No, I disagree, I know, I don't
1:51:45
disagree. It is it is. Yeah, it's confusing. Is it really
1:51:49
what it is? You know what I watched recently that was really good and
1:51:53
I've never seen it before. I've seen two things Atlantis, which is the
1:51:56
Disney movie, never saw it, it's very good. And Treasure Planet.
1:52:00
Oh yes, those I was very impressed. See. I was like,
1:52:05
you know, this is these are kind of underappreciated gems that I never watched.
1:52:10
So and when there is nothing out there now that comes close to those
1:52:15
at least mostly not mostly not, and that when Disney was it is in
1:52:20
its decline too. They were very much like Boys Adventures and you don't see
1:52:27
that anymore. Nope, at all. Okay, last thoughts, Yeah,
1:52:33
it basically all of this rhetoric all comes back to men have a problem,
1:52:38
But how do we put women first? Yep? Is it? Oh?
1:52:42
We what? The way that we do that is by reframing the problem or
1:52:47
completely rewriting the problem so that men are responsible for it and thus we can
1:52:53
dismiss it. And yeah, so guys, your problems are entirely the result
1:52:59
of you. Okay, they're entirely the result of you. Therefore they can
1:53:03
be safely ignored. And now you need to put women first. Nuance,
1:53:09
There is no such thing as men. So how is there such a thing
1:53:12
as men's problems? There's no such thing as women? How do we put
1:53:15
them first? Yeah, there's lots of femininities, but they all need help.
1:53:23
But they're all defined by putting a coaster over their drink when you walk
1:53:29
past. Yeah. Oh so they're all defined by cowardice and victimhood. Yeah,
1:53:32
I guess that works. Okay, So once again, I'll do the
1:53:38
final tally for the uh for the thing. So if you want to help
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We are entirely community funded because no, ain't nobody touching this like honestly
1:54:00
we are. We are some dimension away from Peterson and probably Andrew Tate,
1:54:06
like we're in a radical dimension of sight and sound that makes us almost impossible
1:54:11
to be heard. And it's not even just like the YouTube algorithm, which
1:54:15
I do think there are some YouTube algorithm shenanigans happening. It's just this idea
1:54:19
that we puncture there the amniotic sac that women float in constructed by men,
1:54:26
and actually shake them and say, hey, there's a reality here. You
1:54:30
can either start to understand it whow we can still help you as men,
1:54:35
or it's that amniotic sack is just going to be ripped right open and you
1:54:40
are going to be slapped into the desert of the reel with no preparation.
1:54:45
And so one way or the other. But nobody wants to hear that because
1:54:50
it's really men's identities, to be quite honest, that like this is this
1:54:55
is something that sells very well. Men want to feel like they're making women
1:55:01
safe and provided for, Like that's a fundamental want that men have. They
1:55:08
want to put moren into that that sack of amniotic warmth. And also Caitlin
1:55:15
and also Olivia and also Greta and Margo. They want to make sure that
1:55:20
these women are insulated from harsh realities, even the harsh realities that they face.
1:55:25
They take pride in it. Look at homeless men. Homeless men will
1:55:30
prioritize homeless women for shelter because they still even as homeless men, I shouldn't
1:55:35
even say even they're still men. And it's it's hard because on the one
1:55:41
hand, that's a really noble thing, but on the other hand, at
1:55:45
some point it becomes very destructive. So how do you recognize it as being
1:55:50
noble? And on a point that you know, a lot of men consider
1:55:55
that an aspect of their dignity. I'm gonna be really honest, like it's
1:55:59
it's it's a difficult thing to navigate because many men feel like that gives them
1:56:04
purpose and worth and it's a part of being dignified and being and having self
1:56:11
worth. And how do you navigate that while essentially telling men that they can
1:56:18
put themselves somewhere on the you know, on the agenda if they need help,
1:56:26
you know, and also telling men that we're men. Women are way
1:56:29
too indulged in this society and they do need a reality check, you know,
1:56:34
And a lot of men don't want to hear that. They don't want
1:56:39
to hear it. It's not a very popular narrative because it requires going against
1:56:43
something that makes them feel good about themselves. It makes men feel good to
1:56:48
take care of women full stop. And somehow we need to be able to
1:56:55
teach men that if the women aren't taking care of them in return, they
1:56:58
aren't worth it. We used to understand that that's what lady meant. Being
1:57:03
a lady. That meant, you know, having courage, behaving in a
1:57:11
certain way, behaving in a reputable way, being respectable, being kind and
1:57:17
generous to others. You know, it had a meaning, and it doesn't
1:57:23
doesn't matter anymore. There's nothing there's no no aspect of that anymore, no
1:57:27
expectation that's placed on women. And honestly, that's not normal. I mean,
1:57:32
people will think, like even Peterson has said, oh, women have
1:57:36
the right to expect anything, well, not without fulfilling expectations in return.
1:57:42
Period. This what we see today is not normal and it's not healthy.
1:57:47
And one of the one of the things that is a symptom of that unhealthiness
1:57:56
is the fact that women are searching for the sources of guilt and piety,
1:58:01
sources of external expectation, and they're finding them in all of the alphabet advocacy
1:58:11
for the alphabet people, advocacy for minorities, advocacy for you know, persecuted
1:58:18
groups. You know, that's where they're finding it. And it is not
1:58:24
a healthy dynamic because when when women advocate for these groups like purse puppies,
1:58:31
they take away the recognition of their agency. They create this infantilization which impedes
1:58:40
their integration into society and their their full recognition of their humanity. Okay,
1:58:46
we don't recognize the full humanity of an infant because an infant doesn't have agency,
1:58:53
right, And this is producing a lot of social dysfunction. Okay,
1:58:57
but it all comes back to you can't hold women accountable. We can't tell
1:59:01
women that their expectations are ridiculous, and we can't recognize that men. It's
1:59:08
okay, men can be victims. We can sit with that thought and not
1:59:11
freak out and recognize that maybe men sometimes need help to Where do you think
1:59:16
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no, no, that's a super chat. But I'll read it. But
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I really like Lindsay is in the parking lot of her job waiting. Okay,
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we have a super chow as well, So that is the super chow.
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I mean, it's a super chat. I just copy pasted in here.
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