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'THIS ISN'T RIGHT': FAMILY OF JOCELYN, 12, LURED, STRIPPED, STRANGLED TO BE SILENCED? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A little twelve year old girl lured by two illegal
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  Speaker 2: immigrants Venezuelan migrants under a bridge, brutally.
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  Speaker 1: Assaulted for two hours and killed.
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  Speaker 2: In the last days, does it never end for this
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  Speaker 2: child's family? Not only have they been the victims of
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  Speaker 2: the two alleged perps, but now the judge is piling on. Really,
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  Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 1: In the last days, we learn that.
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  Speaker 2: A Texas judge has attempted to stop little twelve year
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  Speaker 2: old Joscelyn Nungre's family from speaking out about their little
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  Speaker 2: girl's horrific death. A Texas judge blocking their attempt to
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  Speaker 2: keep Joscelyn's story in the spotlight until they get justice.
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  Speaker 2: This after lawyers for the two Venezuelan migrants accused of
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  Speaker 2: murdering Joscelyn pushing for a gag order on officials that
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  Speaker 2: would be law enforcement, judges, prosecutors, as well as Joscen's family.
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  Speaker 2: These two guys, Franklin Jose Pina Ramos twenty six and
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  Speaker 2: Johann Jose Rangel and Martinez twenty one, both entered our
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  Speaker 2: country illegally at the southern border. They are both charged
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  Speaker 2: with capital murder after they allegedly lured this beautiful twelve
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  Speaker 2: year old little girl under a bridge, sex assaulting her
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  Speaker 2: for hours before strangling her dead and dumping her little
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  Speaker 2: body stripped into a Houston by you and now they
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  Speaker 2: want Jocelyn's family to pipe down?
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I would be lying on the.
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  Speaker 2: Front of the courthouse steps screaming my head off and
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  Speaker 2: why this is why the family a little Joscelyn, just
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  Speaker 2: twelve years old, are sitting there hearing the facts laid
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  Speaker 2: out in court that this little Texas girl there, Joscelyn,
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  Speaker 2: is lured under a bridge, stripped bound with her hands
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  Speaker 2: behind her back, sex assaulted and strangled. This as the
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  Speaker 2: prosecutor says, I don't know if we can seek the
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  Speaker 2: death penalty. You can the pain, that anger, the hurt
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  Speaker 2: that this family is feeling as we learn the defendants
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  Speaker 2: may not even be exposed.
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  Speaker 1: To the death.
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  Speaker 2: There's not a chance of the death penalty. What is
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  Speaker 2: the family supposed to think? They erupt in open court
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  Speaker 2: as they find out the horrific details surrounding the death
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  Speaker 2: of their girl.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, this victim was found you know, bound and without
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  Speaker 3: clothing from the waist down in the water, and we
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  Speaker 3: just think that there's a good possibility. We hope that
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  Speaker 3: there's evidence that remains to be tested.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still fighting for her, and I just remember that
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  Speaker 4: she was a very special little girl that deserves her justice.
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  Speaker 4: And I know she's going to make a difference in
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  Speaker 4: this world for all children. And now it's my job
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  Speaker 4: to make sure it continues to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it on the mom Why is it her
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  Speaker 2: job to make sure that there is justice?
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  Speaker 1: And I got to go to this panel with me,
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel.
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  Speaker 2: But first to Corey Peel, investigative reporter kp RC two
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  Speaker 2: in Houston. Corey, did I just hear the prosecutor, whom
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  Speaker 2: I've always respected up until a few moments ago, state
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  Speaker 2: she was found pause unclothed, pause, unclothed, talk about putting
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  Speaker 2: perfume on the pig, airbrushing, whitewashing, unclothed. I could be
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  Speaker 2: in a changing room in Nordstroms and be unclothed.
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  Speaker 1: This girl had her twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Twelve, had her hands bound behind her.
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  Speaker 1: She was forced under a bridge.
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  Speaker 2: By two guys she doesn't know, adults, and she was stripped.
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  Speaker 2: She was stripped from the waist down. Her pants were off.
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  Speaker 2: I mean to hear aug say it unclothed.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, these details were absolutely heartbreaking hearing in court. And
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  Speaker 5: you know, at this point they were still kind of
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  Speaker 5: skirting around the information on if she was sexually assault
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  Speaker 5: or not to prove that she was in fact sexually assaulted.
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  Speaker 5: But those details absolutely heartbreaking to hear in court, especially
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  Speaker 5: for Johnson's family, and as you can imagine, emotions were high.
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  Speaker 5: We heard a family member scream out at one of
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  Speaker 5: the aspects, calling him a murderer and killer as they
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  Speaker 5: were just in disbelief over this tragic and horrific crime
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  Speaker 5: could happen to their little girl.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing Corey Peel and mescedit report kp RC two
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  Speaker 2: in Houston.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go to Andy.
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  Speaker 2: Kahn, a longtime friend and colleague, director of Victim Services
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stoppers Ann Houston.
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  Speaker 1: What in the world is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm pretty sure if you commit an intentional murder,
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  Speaker 2: which strangulation death is? This is a manual strangulation my hands.
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  Speaker 2: While and then they name a host of fellies, including kidnapping.
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  Speaker 1: Kidnapping. Kidnapping does not mean.
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  Speaker 2: I bundle you in a trunk and I drive you
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  Speaker 2: one hundred miles and hold you hostage. Kidnapping can mean
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  Speaker 2: taking you one foot or one inch is called under
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  Speaker 2: the law asportation. If that child is moved even one
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  Speaker 2: inch under the law against her will, that is a
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  Speaker 2: kidnap and therefore qualifies for a death penalty. Andy Kahn,
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  Speaker 2: what is going on in your hometown.
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  Speaker 6: You have a lot of convoluted laws that were passed
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  Speaker 6: years ago involving capital murder of anyone who murders a child.
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  Speaker 6: And in twenty nineteen they passed a law. Our legislators
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  Speaker 6: passed the law removing the death penalty provision from anyone
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  Speaker 6: who murdered a child from the ages of eleven to
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  Speaker 6: fifteen unless it was done in conjunction of another offense.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think there's any ifens or bus about it.
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  Speaker 6: She was taken against her will. It's actually assaulted. But
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  Speaker 6: let's keep in mind, this is early. I would it's
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  Speaker 6: going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Andy, I know that your politicians and the Texas legislature
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  Speaker 2: had gutted the rules for aggravating circumstances for the death
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  Speaker 2: penalty and many other jurisdictions when a child under fourteen
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  Speaker 2: fourteen and under is murdered, that automatically qualifies for a
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  Speaker 2: jury to look at the death penalty. Whether they give
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  Speaker 2: it or not, that's on the jury. But forget about
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  Speaker 2: the age requirement. Your legislature, Your Texas legislature changed the
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  Speaker 2: rule when now the child has to be under ten
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  Speaker 2: for it to automatically apply. That doesn't fit in this
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  Speaker 2: scenario because Jocelyn is twelve. However, listen to me, there
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  Speaker 2: is another condition under your law that your legislature has.
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  Speaker 1: Managed not to gut yet.
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  Speaker 2: That says if the death occurs the murder occurs during
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  Speaker 2: a kidnap, that qualifies for the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: So what's the problem. I don't get it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't get it either. My best guess is this
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  Speaker 6: is a slow moving scenario. They want to get first
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  Speaker 6: things done first, and then eventually they'll look at adding
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  Speaker 6: the death penalty. You know, there's a reason we have
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  Speaker 6: the death penalty in the state of Texas. We're known
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  Speaker 6: as the death penalty capital of the world. And if
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  Speaker 6: these two defendants don't fit the criteria for the death penalty,
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  Speaker 6: you might as well just gut it all the way around.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, we are hearing that the death penalty is being sought,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not advocating pro or con right now. I
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  Speaker 2: am saying that if this case does not qualify for
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  Speaker 2: the death penalty to be at least presented to a jury,
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  Speaker 2: who will they make the decision? Not the prosecutor. But
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to even be given as an alternative
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  Speaker 2: to this jury because neither defendant has confessed to.
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  Speaker 1: Raping the girl. What what I've got to wait for
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  Speaker 1: them to confess.
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  Speaker 2: If I had to wait for every defendant, every killer,
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  Speaker 2: every rapist, every child molester to confess before they get sentenced,
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  Speaker 2: that's never going to happen. The Fulton County jail would
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  Speaker 2: still be full of the thousands of people I prosecuted because.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody is going to confess. But this is what they did. Say.
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  Speaker 1: You tell me what you think happened. Listen.
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  Speaker 7: Johann Jose Ronyell Martinez and Franklin Jose Pineramos are both
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  Speaker 7: charged with capital and murder. Paya Ramos tells police he
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  Speaker 7: tried to convince Ronio Martinez to stop the attack on Joscelyn,
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  Speaker 7: but he refused, telling Paena Ramos he had to finish
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  Speaker 7: what he started. Nungary's hands are tied behind her back,
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  Speaker 7: her feet are bound. Rodyo Martinez climbs on top of Jocelyn,
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  Speaker 7: covers her mouth, and strangles her to death. Roanyo Martinez
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  Speaker 7: admits to tying Joscelyn up and tossing your body in
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  Speaker 7: the bayou, but claims he didn't kill her. Paina Ramos
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  Speaker 7: claims he only kissed the twelve year old and denies
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  Speaker 7: any wrongdoing.
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  Speaker 2: Dodger Bethany Marshall, you know I'm a teetotaler, but this
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  Speaker 2: is driving me to the bottle. Dodtor Bethany Marshall with
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  Speaker 2: me renow it Psycho Alas joining us out of Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hills at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com Doctor Bethany. I've had
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  Speaker 2: so many defendants and code defendants who will tell you
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  Speaker 2: the story about what happened their version, but they leave
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  Speaker 2: out the critical moment. For instance, Dodger Bethany and I
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  Speaker 2: were robbing a bank and I said, don't kill anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany and she went in and we both had guns
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  Speaker 2: and I turned my head for just a moment and
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  Speaker 2: I heard a gunshot, but I didn't see anything. And
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  Speaker 2: when I turned back around two bank tellers were dead
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  Speaker 2: and bleeding out in the floor. That one critical moment
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  Speaker 2: somehow gets fuzzy, and here we see both defendants, one
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  Speaker 2: claiming he quote only kissed twelve year old Jocelyn while
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  Speaker 2: her hands were tied behind her back and her pants
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  Speaker 2: and underwear were stripped off her body, just before one
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  Speaker 2: of them crawled on top of the girl and strangled her, saying, quote,
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  Speaker 2: he had to finish what he started, and all the
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  Speaker 2: other one did.
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  Speaker 1: Was kiss her.
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  Speaker 2: Who and the h eight double L kisses a twelve
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  Speaker 2: year old little girl tied up under a bridge with
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  Speaker 2: her pants and underwear stripped off, that's kissing her.
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  Speaker 4: There's so many things wrong with this narrative, and also
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  Speaker 4: so many tell tell signs that they are lying. First
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  Speaker 4: of all, minimizing by saying I kissed her. Criminals always minimize,
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  Speaker 4: and as you pointed out, being so vague about the details.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes they throw in too many details, but most likely
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  Speaker 4: in this case, they're leaving out a lot of horrific
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  Speaker 4: details that are going to come out as this court
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  Speaker 4: case continues. And also minimizing the fact that she is
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  Speaker 4: a twelve year old little girl, and also the language
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  Speaker 4: is so inaccurate, Nancy. Let's take out rape, assault, and
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  Speaker 4: kidnap and let's put torture at the top of the list.
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  Speaker 2: Also, as we go to air, we learn Jocelyn's mother
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  Speaker 2: testifies before Congress urging increased border legislation.
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  Speaker 1: Poor woman.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, she's trying to make some positive impact as a
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  Speaker 2: result of what happened to her daughter. Just my heart
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  Speaker 2: breaks for this mom.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the last days we learned to Texas judge is
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  Speaker 2: lashing out not at the two men charged with assault, sex,
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  Speaker 2: assaulting and murdering a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn Hungary,
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  Speaker 2: but at Jocelyn's family.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that, Bess Awkwards.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go to another friend and longtime colleague, doctor
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  Speaker 2: Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner.
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  Speaker 1: That's not easy.
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  Speaker 2: You fight your way to get in medical school, you
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  Speaker 2: fight your way through medical school, you do a residency,
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  Speaker 2: it's dog eat dog, everybody wants your spot, and he
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  Speaker 2: somehow climbs his way to the top to become the
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  Speaker 2: chief medical examiner in Terrt County.
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  Speaker 1: That's for that's this neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 2: Also lecturer at the Burnett School of medicine at TCU,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I've prosecuted literally thousands of cases, thousands
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  Speaker 2: all felonies. When you are prosecuting and you didn't experience this,
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  Speaker 2: you have.
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  Speaker 1: To be a machine.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot think about the details of the case, or
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  Speaker 2: I would crack if I had to think about it.
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  Speaker 2: But as I'm listening to doctor Bethany talk, I'm wondering if.
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  Speaker 1: You go through this, as you.
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  Speaker 2: Perform autopsies on little girls, little children, to think about
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  Speaker 2: what this girl twelve years old, You know, my girl,
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  Speaker 2: she's about that big, beautiful, just like this little girl
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  Speaker 2: to be dragged under a bridge in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the night, don't you know. She was crying and begging
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  Speaker 2: for them to stop what they were doing, to yank
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  Speaker 2: her pants and underwear off, to tie her behind her
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  Speaker 2: with her hands behind her back, and one of them
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  Speaker 2: claims I only kissed her. And with the marks on
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  Speaker 2: her back, this girl was raped. This girl was tortured.
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  Speaker 2: The last thing she saw was the dark of the
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  Speaker 2: night under a bridge where these two guys, she's adult
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  Speaker 2: males she had never met before assaulting her. Then probably
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  Speaker 2: the inability to breathe as one of them, crawled on
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  Speaker 2: top of her and manually strangled the life out of her,
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  Speaker 2: then leaving her semi naked, throw her into the water,
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  Speaker 2: and video Kim catches them. Doctor Kendall crowns just walking
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  Speaker 2: away why nothing had happened. When you perform an autopsy,
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  Speaker 2: do you let yourself even think about these things? Or
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  Speaker 2: do you just become a robot and do it?
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  Speaker 8: So you can't get emotionally charged when doing your work,
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  Speaker 8: because that's going to cause you to miss things. So
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  Speaker 8: you go through the story the information you have at
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  Speaker 8: the time before the autopsy begins, and then you process
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  Speaker 8: the case and go through it, and you don't get
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  Speaker 8: emotionally wrapped up in all the particulars of how horrific
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  Speaker 8: the incident that resulted in this individual's death is, because
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  Speaker 8: if you do, you can't do this job.
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  Speaker 2: Not only do we learn what happened under that bridge
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  Speaker 2: to little Joscelyn, we learn what happened afterward.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 7: Just two days after Johnslen Nungery's body has found, police
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  Speaker 7: say Ramos cut off an ankle monitor he was fitted
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  Speaker 7: with when he crossed the border illegally at El Paso
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  Speaker 7: on May twenty eighth. The discarded ankle monitor was found
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  Speaker 7: days ago. Ramos, working in construction, asks his boss for
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  Speaker 7: extra cash so he can skip down, but instead of
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  Speaker 7: getting cash, the boss calls the police and Ramos is arrested.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to Cora Lee Peel, Investigative reporter or kp
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  Speaker 2: RC two Houston, I hope what Ogg is saying, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just interpreting here is that when the rape kit comes back,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to you, doctor Kendl Crowns about
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  Speaker 2: how a rape kit is performed and really how long
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  Speaker 2: it takes. It doesn't take long to get a DNA sample.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't, So I'm not sure what they're waiting on.
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  Speaker 2: Because if there's DNA from one of the defendants to
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  Speaker 2: show that she was rapeds, I spurn from one defenant,
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  Speaker 2: they're both going to be charged with rape because while
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  Speaker 2: one was raping her, the other one was standing by,
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  Speaker 2: what laughing holding her down?
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  Speaker 1: Oh htln Oh.
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  Speaker 2: They're both going to be charged with that and both
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  Speaker 2: be death penalty qualified. Corley Peel again, investigative news reporter
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  Speaker 2: kp RC two Houston. Where this happened. Let me understand
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  Speaker 2: how these two were caught. I understand we've got surveillance video,
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  Speaker 2: and the police did an incredible job of putting together
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  Speaker 2: a montage of the seven to eleven video surveillance video.
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  Speaker 1: You can see as the.
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  Speaker 2: Surveillance video goes on, you see her walking the little
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  Speaker 2: boyfriend she's calling on her cell phone, reports hearing two
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  Speaker 2: adults in the back. These two are the animals. And
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  Speaker 2: I normally don't use that phrase, but what they did
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  Speaker 2: to this little girl is like an animal out in
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  Speaker 2: the jungle and they approach her, her apparently asking for directions.
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  Speaker 2: She walks along with them because they apparently lived near
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  Speaker 2: each other, did not know each other. They're walking along
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  Speaker 2: and the next thing you know, she's under a bridge
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  Speaker 2: bound being raped.
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  Speaker 1: So Coraly Peel, how did they get caught?
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  Speaker 2: The incredible surveillance montage that reveals everything I just told you.
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  Speaker 2: You see them taking her under a bridge and then
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  Speaker 2: walking away like okay, that's done. But then in addition
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  Speaker 2: to the montage, witnesses emerge.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, those photos were essential in this case. As
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  Speaker 5: soon as the men saw their photos being plastered across
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  Speaker 5: the country, all over social media and all the news,
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  Speaker 5: they got scared. So one of the men, Martinez there
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  Speaker 5: he actually shaved his beard, and he apparently prosecutors found
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  Speaker 5: on his phone that he was trying to research ways
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  Speaker 5: on how to lead the country, how to get out.
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  Speaker 5: But it's really interesting because Franklin Pinya, he actually called
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  Speaker 5: his boss asking for help, asking to gather some money
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  Speaker 5: together so he could get away. He told his boss
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  Speaker 5: that someone was killed, he was in an issue that
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  Speaker 5: he needed to get out of. The boss thought that
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  Speaker 5: was very suspicious.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, Corley Peel again. You got me drinking
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  Speaker 2: from the fire hydrant. You know so many facts, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to ride as quickly as i can. Could
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  Speaker 2: you back it up just a little bit and I'll
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  Speaker 2: catch up. I wish I knew shorthand I don't. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: go yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So basically, long story short, he calls nine one one,
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  Speaker 5: the boss that the construction company calls police, and that's
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  Speaker 5: how police were ultimately able to track down both men
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  Speaker 5: at their apartment complex and take them into custody. And
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  Speaker 5: I talked to prosecutors at that press conference and I said,
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  Speaker 5: you know, was this boss the reason why they were captured?
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  Speaker 5: And they said that is one of the reasons why,
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  Speaker 5: just because they have received hundreds of tips over that
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  Speaker 5: course of.
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  Speaker 4: That week while they were on the run.
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  Speaker 5: But again they got scared after these photos were released
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  Speaker 5: and people were looking for them.
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  Speaker 2: And now Coraline Peel from kp RC two is telling
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  Speaker 2: us more that when these photos began to populate on TV,
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  Speaker 2: people were seeing them. Their friends who knew them saw
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  Speaker 2: the TV and they asked the boss. These two defendants
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  Speaker 2: asked their boss. One of them asked for an advance
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  Speaker 2: in money, said somebody had died and they needed to
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  Speaker 2: get out of the jurisdiction. You know, when I see
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  Speaker 2: a broadcast on TV or somebody calls me and gives
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  Speaker 2: me a tip about a murder, I don't try to
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  Speaker 2: leave the country.
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  Speaker 1: They did, what about it?
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: Those were indicative of guilt, Nancy. These guys knew what
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: they were in trouble. They knew people were gonna see
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: the advertisement, the warnings on TV, and they knew that
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: they had to leave the country or leave the state
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: as soon as possible. They're criminals, are animals, That's what
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: they do. They run and they fleet.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And the mother of the twelve year old Houston girl
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: strangled and killed by two men before a US Senate
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee begging for stronger border legislation. Bad enough, what
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: two grown men did to this little girl, causing a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: wake of pain to behind them.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: That will never go away.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But for a judge to pile on, I'd like to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: think the judge is doing this so as to preserve
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the venue of the trial so that later upon conviction
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and I predict there will be a conviction and a
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: possible death penalty sentence handed down against these two, that
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: there will not be a grounds of appeal for too
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: much pr too much media surrounding the case. Well, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: think the cat's out of the bag on that. But
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: at least the judge can say with a straight face
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: to an appellate court, hey, I tried. I issued a
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: gag order. That is the redeeming factor about what this
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Texas judge did. I don't like it, but I understand it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But what about the facts leading up to the arrests?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: What do we know about what happened that night? Bite Marks?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about bite Marks. Joining me, Corley Peel, investigative reporter,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: KPRC two Houston, Corley, I want to talk about the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: injuries to not only the two defendants.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Do you know when we first started talking.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Almost got sick to my stomach as you were describing everything,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: because when I was talking to doctor Kendall Crowns about
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: letting your.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Mind go to where this was that night and.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: What the little girl lived through, what Jocelyn lived through
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: just before her death while her mom is snoozing away,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: no idea that anything's happening to her baby. But I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: now want to talk about the evidence and get my
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: mind back in the middle of the road and out
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: of the weeds. Tell me about the injuries on her
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and the two defendants.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, heartbreaking information that we received in court this week.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Apparently from what we heard from prosecutors that Jostin was
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: found with cuts on her body and scratches as well
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: as she was found bound and tied underneath that bridge.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And we also.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Learned that Martinez Renjell he was also found with bite
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Mark's scratches on.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Him, so when he was arrested.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: So very heart wrenching information to hear from prosecutors as
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: they release that evidence, and especially hard for her family
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: to hear because she's only twelve years old. No family
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: should have to hear that a little girl had to
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: endure that type of horrific murder.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I don't want us to gloss over the truth. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: here's the truth. Two illegal Venezuelan migrants are now at keysed.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: I'm murdering.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: A twelve year old little Houston girl.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Andy Kahn. Listen up, you're next under a bridge. According
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: to prosecutors, they strip her naked, that's from the waist down,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: assaulted her for two hours. Two hours. This twelve year
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: old girl was assaulted, assaulted?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Raped?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: That's what that means. And one of them has the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: audacity to tell me I.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Just kissed her. You kiss a twelve year old little
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: girl tied up to her bridge, half.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Naked, sold her for two hours, allegedly binding her not
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: only by her hands behind her back during the rape,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: her feet were also bound, as doctor Bethany Marshall accurately
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: pointed out, and her back was covered in cuts. What
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: does that tell you, Andy Kahan? Her back was covered
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: in cuts.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Nancy, this is a real life Texas chainsaw massacre? What
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: happened to Joscelyn? The only way I can describe what
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: happened to her when you ask people, well what happened
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: exactly is if you watch a national geographic show and
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: you see what lions do to Gazelle's and that's what
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: these two lions did to this poorest child right here.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: It is an absolute bloodbath. What happened to her. I've
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: spoken with Joscelyn, I've met them, I've talked with them.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: I can't imagine the pain that they're going through. Yet.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: At the same time, we're also going to make Joscelyn
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Nungary a catalyst for change. I know there's a lot
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: going on right now, whether they're going to be seeking the.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Death ubi Con too soon, too soon to talk about
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: how this is all somehow going to end up being good,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and her rape and murder is going to be a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: catalyst for change. You know, I don't normally say this
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to you, Indicama.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Screw that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear how, somehow we're going to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: turn this lemon into lemonade catalyst for change.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: B ask Con, what are you saying?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: And I asked you what these injuries meant? And you
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: skirted it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You did not answer the question.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: The question was what do these injuries on her back?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Mean? Do I have to spell it out for you.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: It means that she was tortured, she was tortured, she
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: was raped, she was strangled, she was kidnapped, and by God,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: the death penalty is going to be sought in this case.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: That is no if ans or buts from my perspective.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. You, as I have worked with so
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: many children and adults that were raped or sodomized as children,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and what the adults tell me is that the worst
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: thing about it was the feeling of helplessness, powerlessness.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: How some of them.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Actually, I didn't know about this phenomenon until an adult
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: female victim of Chamala Station told me about it. That
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: she would actually disembody as she could look down at
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: her body as her father was raping her, and her
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: mother sided with the father and pretended she didn't know
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: anything about it went on for you.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, you have to go with me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Down this dark tunnel, because I'm going to tell you
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: what happened. This little girl, while bound with her hands
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: behind her.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And stripped, was forced down on the ground and was
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: raped for two hours.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Then one of the finets climbed on top of her
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and manually strangled her. And then they throw her body
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: likely face down into a buy you that's what happened
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to this girl. She should be practicing her chill o,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: what instruments she was playing. She should be enjoying summer,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: jumping in the apartment complex pool, playing with her friends,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: going to get ice cream, talking to her little BF
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: boyfriend off the phone. But that's what happened to her.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: That is what those injuries tell me. And there's no
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: way around it. I don't care how much everybody on
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: this panel wants to skirt away from it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: That is what happened.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: She was raped in the dirt on the ground under
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: a bridge by two adult males while her hands were
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: tied behind her back.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: That's what happened, Nancy.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: If I could add to that, there was a moment
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: before all this happened, when these guys asked her for
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: directions where she felt useful. She wanted to help them.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: And then, for anyone who's listening, who's ever been in
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: an accident, and all of a sudden, you know, things
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: have turned. There was that dawning of realization when they
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: take her under the bridge that something really, really bad
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: is going to happen. They bind her hands and her legs,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: and at that point she may not even know what
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: is about to befall her, but on some levels she
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: knows she's going to die. They take their pants off.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: We're talking about them taking her pants off. Let's think
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: about two grown men taking their clothing off in front
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: of a little girl. We don't even know she's ever
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: seen the naked man before. And all those cuts along
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: her back. They threw her on the ground. This was
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: under a bridge I picture, you know, empty aluminum cans, glass,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: you know, also debris we see under kid under bridges.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: They threw her on that debris. And as they were
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: raping her and thrusting themselves into her again and again,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: her back was scraping along the ground. They didn't rape
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: her once twice. These men raped her multiple times, each
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: one looking on as the other one did it. That
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: is animalistic behavior. And it's not just the rape, it's
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the cruelty. It's the total lack of regard for what
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: was happening to her body and Nancy. These guys I
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: think were drunk and substance abusing. So this does not
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: exonerate them, but for a whole level worse where they
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: are just treating her like a sack of potatoes, and.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: The control room is reminding me in my ear, these
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: two illegal immigrants charged with the murder of a twelve
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: year old little girl under the eyes of Lady Justice
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: are innocent until proven guilty. Mom Alexis Nungary has now
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: become a staunch advocate for stronger border security since the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: murder of her little girl, repeatedly standing alongside politicians like
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: former President Donald Trump in their call for stronger measures.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Now again, let me be clear. I'm not a Republican
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and I'm not a Democrat. I'm just telling you that
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the mom of Jocen Nungary is out there trying to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: make a.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Difference crime stories with Nancy Grace. The defense and.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Harris Carey prosecutors are wrestling over the scope of a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: potential gag order in the case. The judge, Judge Josh Hill,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: told them to abide by the state's rules of professional conduct.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: What does that mean? Prosecutors also asking the judge to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: grant them access to all of Wrangel. That would be
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Johann Jose Martinez Wrangle's immigration and custom enforcement and border
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: protection records and a pair of court filings. The judge
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: granted the request. The Assistant District Attorney Michael Abner wrote,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: quote In this case, a defendant lured a twelve year
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: old under a bridge where he and his co defendant
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: remained with her over two hours, took her pants off,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: tied her up, and killed her, then threw her body
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: into the Bayou. Arraignment came just one day after Nungary's
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: mother testifies before the House Judiciary Committee in Washington, begging
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: for lawmakers to secure the border. As she reveals a
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: horrific timeline of events. This little girl did not bind
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: herself at the hands and feet, scratch her back up
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: on the ground, take off her own pants and underwear
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and fling herself into the water. Okay, they did it,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and anything they say is a lie. Now we know
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the family has been subjected to hearing the facts the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: way we've been talking about them.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: No mother wants to hear this.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to hear it about another child,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: much less this mom hearing it about her own child.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Why are people suggesting that the family of Joscelyn Missed
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: behaved in the courtroom.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: They didn't misbehave.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: The two defendants mis behaved, according to police, to any
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: con to write her victim services.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: They're in Houston. Do you blame them.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: No, absolutely not. I mean I've been in the courtrooms
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: where families have gotten up and have yelled. I've been
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: in a courtroom where a bailiff whispered to me and said,
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: I'll let the father of the young girl that was murdered.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: If he goes over the rail, I'll give him a
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: few minutes before I pull him off. No, nobody blames
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: them for anything that happened. I don't blame them for
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: unleashing as well. I would probably do the same. This
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: is the worst possible scenario you can imagine. This family
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: is undergoing right now. Joscelyn is everybody's daughter. She is
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: everybody's sister. She is everybody's niece. This is not just
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: a Houston issue. It's not just a Texas issue. She
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: has become the national issue for what happens when you murder, rape,
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: and strangle and kid a twelve year old little girl.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: You know Andy again, I consider your friend. We've worked
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: together for many, many years. But does your mouth ever
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: get tired of just saying the.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Same thing blah blah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: She's the poster girl for filling the blank. She's a
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: catalyst for change. She represents every girl. Really, that one
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: of these people keep coming into our country and committing murders,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and not just them, other purpose. You see it over
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and over, repeat offenders praying on victims, younger, less cunning,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: less powerful than they are, and they walk free, and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: then they do it again. A catalyst for change. This
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: is one in a string of many. Do I have
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: to name them off? There's Lincoln Riley, There's Molly Tibbis,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: there's Rachel.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Morn He goes on and on.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, Man converse, same as the first.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: That's why I'm here to do that, to make sure
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: that what happened with her, at least we can make
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: the attempt that it doesn't happen to somebody else. That's
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: the least we can do in her honor and in
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: her memory. And that's what we're going to do.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: You know what, Andy con You're right. I'm sorry. You
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: just happen to be the target of my.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Anger and frustration about what happened to this girl. Doctor
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, how are we going to prove she was raped?
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: How does it happen? And that medical examiner darnwell being
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: dotting his eyes and crossing his tees as he or
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: she performs this rape kit.
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: So proving a sexual assault, you can look for damage
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: to the vagina, the anus. Usually it's tearing, contusions or bruises,
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: abrasions or scratches from the forceful penetration. And then you
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: can also do a sexual assault kit, also known as
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: a race kit, where you collect evidence pubic hairs from
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: the individual, also any hairs that are on the body.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: You do DNA swabs of the body as well as
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: DNA swabs of the vagina, anis, and mouth, and then
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: those can be tested for DNA of the possible perpetrator.
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: It can take several weeks for all that to come back, though.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kittle Crowns, you and I both know that it
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: doesn't take several weeks to get DNA.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Why are you saying that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: Well, it does take several weeks for the testing to
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: get done. You can't just expect it to happen overnight.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: There's not an immediate DNA test because I've had them
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: done at the crime lab.
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: I mean rapid DNA tests are using.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: There's a quick test result.
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: Well, you can get quick test results, correct, but you
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: can't necessarily pinpoint it to the specific individual without doing
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: all the specific testing.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, then your text is crime lab must work
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: differently than the one that I use.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Because we can get quick results.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I know they're not as reliable as they wants to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: take two weeks, but it's enough for death penalty, indictment,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: and one more thing very quickly. Doctor Kendall crowns about
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: the bite marks in her condition. Tied up, hands and
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: feet on her back, she managed to bite a defendant.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Is there a chance we could get his DNA out
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: of her mouth?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is a possibility.
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: If she bit hard enough and pulled skin cells off,
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: it's possible that they could get it from her mouth.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Mat to Cory p Old kp RC two, what is
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: happening right now?
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Both men are in jail with the ten million dollar
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: bonds each, so we're still waiting to see if those
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: charges will be upgraded or if they will face the
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: death penalty.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Still a lot more to uncover in this case, for sure.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And you know what else breaks my heart? Andy con
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: that the mom God be with her. Keeps saying thank
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: you everybody for all your support. I'm so grateful. She
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: shouldn't even be in this position. And I heard Ogg
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: is a pretty good prosecutor state that the prosecutors and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: law enforcement are under so much pressure because there is
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: just a wave, wave after wave after wave of criminals
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: from other countries coming into our country, and right there is.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: One of the hubs where they come in.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: So I've got to contend with not only our US,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: our American citizens performing depraved acts on children.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Now I've got them coming over to do it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: I see last year, last August, I worked with a
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: family who was a eleven year old girl was raped
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: and murdered by an undocumented immigrant who is now facing
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: the death penalty. That was last August. So I sadly
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: I've worked with families that are facing this situation, and yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: it's a broken system all the hell.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: In the last days, Mom testify at the House Judiciary Committee,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: stating waking up to know your child was missing and
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: frantically searching the area where her phone was being pinged
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: just two minutes away from her home, driving up to
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: that exact location to see crime scene tape and officers
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: by a bridge. She went on to say that officers
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: at the scene could not provide answers, but forty five
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: minutes later she got a phone call from police asking
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: her to come downtown. Quote, I'm still hanging onto the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: hope my twelve year old daughter is still somewhere out there.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: They bring me to the floor labeled homicide division. What
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: this mother has gone through? A gag order of being
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: requested and Johnson's family tolding, and Johnson's family being told.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: To pipe down? When will it end? We wait as
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: just as unfold. Good Bye friend,