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Interviewing Paul May, Land Cruiser Owner and Overland OG · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I am
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  Speaker 1: your host, Scott Brady, and I am here with my
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  Speaker 1: co host Matt Scott. Hello, and we are very fortunate
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  Speaker 1: today to have one of the ogs of overlanding in
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  Speaker 1: North America and a close personal friend, Paul May. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for being on the podcast. Man, that's
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  Speaker 1: my pleasure, my honor. Thank you for having me in. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and you were telling Matt and I that you've actually
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  Speaker 1: listened to all of.
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  Speaker 2: The podcasts Kitten Kaboodle, So so.
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  Speaker 1: What are some things that you think we could do
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  Speaker 1: better about the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: I think you guys are spot on. I think you're
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  Speaker 3: doing an awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Job, particularly me. I'm really good right when you're here.
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  Speaker 1: Matt has lots of cool things to do in the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Is just one of them.
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  Speaker 3: So Lenny on his plate, Yeah, sure, what I really
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  Speaker 3: enjoyed about it, And maybe it's a I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it, but it's all
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  Speaker 3: these people that I have met and that are friends
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  Speaker 3: of mine, that you guys have interviewed, and I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I know is coming from and you know, I picture
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  Speaker 3: their face sitting right here, and it's been a wonderful experience.
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  Speaker 4: Right now you're sitting right here in this hollowed seat.
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  Speaker 1: And a special thanks to one of this week's sponsors,
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  Speaker 1: sleeping in a van several miles up a dirt road
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  Speaker 1: near a secret hot springs. They woke up the next
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  Speaker 1: morning and sub zero temperatures in a car that wouldn't start.
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  Speaker 1: They were outside of cell reception and confronted with the
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  Speaker 1: real possibility of a long walk into town. So instead
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  Speaker 1: they decided to bundle up in their sleeping bags and
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  Speaker 1: drink whiskey while they waited for someone else to show up.
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  Speaker 1: And that turned into hours, and the conversation extended on
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  Speaker 1: to the subject of bedding and they came up with
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  Speaker 1: a two person, and a junior size. I have used
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  Speaker 1: the two person for many years. I keep it as
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  Speaker 1: part of my kit at lives in the vehicle just
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  Speaker 1: in case I run into a situation similar to what
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  Speaker 1: they did where I'm stranded and need some additional warmth
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  Speaker 1: and insulation. It's also really useful for around the campfire
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  Speaker 1: when you want that little bit of extra comfort. I'll
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  Speaker 1: also use it when sleeping in the vehicle, and then
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  Speaker 1: and they have very durable fabrics in construction, which makes
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  Speaker 1: them ideal for overland travel. Check out Rumpel or your
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  Speaker 1: next blanket. You're not on the podcast just because you're
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  Speaker 1: our buddy, but it is because you have lived a
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  Speaker 1: very interesting life, and you have traveled extensively yourself, including
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  Speaker 1: probably a dozen trips by nowadays Africa, if not close
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  Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, and you've traveled a lot also in
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  Speaker 1: North America. You've owned a lot of different land cruisers.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd love to just let this conversation flow through
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  Speaker 1: some of where you've come from and then those little
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  Speaker 1: nuggets of those gems of experience that you've had along
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  Speaker 1: the way with your journeys. So maybe maybe just give
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  Speaker 1: us the where did Paul come from?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Who is Paul?
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  Speaker 2: Who is Paul?
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  Speaker 3: It's been a wonderful life. I'm very fortunate. My parents
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  Speaker 3: were all for travel, and I grew up in traveling
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  Speaker 3: in travel trailers of all. Yeah, we had an Aristocat
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  Speaker 3: it was a single axle, ran around in that in
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  Speaker 3: the early seventies. In the mid to late seventies we
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  Speaker 3: had a double axle prowler and we went all over
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  Speaker 3: the place in that. And I also was involved in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of early activities with the Scouts and we
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  Speaker 3: got out a bunch in there. So seventy five, my
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  Speaker 3: parents took me on a month long around the country tour.
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  Speaker 3: We left and I was in the back seat of
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  Speaker 3: the Ford Country.
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  Speaker 2: Squire and we went from a country squire. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was a bad country square. I mean
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  Speaker 3: it was mean. And my dad had fly by all
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  Speaker 3: the guys in the pickups of their trailers and he
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  Speaker 3: just hauling it past the guys and he just wave
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  Speaker 3: and sand. Yeah, it was a pretty impressive car. But
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  Speaker 3: we did a trip from Salt Lake to Albuquerque to
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  Speaker 3: Texas to Florida, to New York City to Chicago and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean all around the country and it just opens
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  Speaker 3: your eyes to there's a different world, right, especially at
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  Speaker 3: ten years old. When I was in that that early
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  Speaker 3: time frame, I also started getting into the outdoors. Scouting
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  Speaker 3: was a big thing, and so all my friends were
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  Speaker 3: getting their trains and their hot wheels and the things.
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  Speaker 3: And for Christmas, I'm getting a Kirkham's backpacking tent and
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  Speaker 3: a down sleeping bag and you know, the hard frame
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  Speaker 3: backpack and all this stuff to go camping and getting out.
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  Speaker 3: When I was twelve, we did a sixty mile backpacking
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  Speaker 3: trip for eight days and hiked from Utah through King's
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  Speaker 3: p and out from Wyoming to king Speaking out into
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  Speaker 3: Utah and that hooked me on that on the outdoors
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  Speaker 3: part of that. So from there, man, anytime that I
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  Speaker 3: could get away, I mean I drove. When I was sixteen,
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  Speaker 3: I took off in the car I had at that
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  Speaker 3: time and slept in the front seat of the car
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  Speaker 3: in Newport Beach.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet Sweet ran at sixteen. That's that's legit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you ran off and did that.
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  Speaker 4: That's something that you can only do at sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well at twenty two as well, I slept in
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  Speaker 3: the front seat of my two thousand and two TII
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  Speaker 3: and saw Salida for a couple of days and so
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  Speaker 3: we were, yeah, doing that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you wish you still had that car.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like those two thousand and twos have just gone
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  Speaker 1: through the roof in the last five years.
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  Speaker 3: I used to used to drag race muscle cars on
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  Speaker 3: State Street and it's all like back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun and so you know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of wanderlust sure involved in that. And that
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  Speaker 3: moved moved me into traveling a little bit more for
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  Speaker 3: just personal enjoyment. Uh, And every dime I made after
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  Speaker 3: after college and getting up through all that stuff, I
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  Speaker 3: spent on traveling the Southwest and getting out and doing
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  Speaker 3: more and more and more. And it was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fun. I had a blast with it. And you
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  Speaker 3: know that all who wanted not lost kind of thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that was that was my mantra for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Got into into vehicles trucks. Started out with a sixty
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  Speaker 3: seven Scout right hand drive Meal Jeep. That was that
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  Speaker 3: was the cool of the skateboard mobile. And in college
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  Speaker 3: went to a CJ three A at Willy's you had, Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was a CJ three A forty was the top
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  Speaker 3: speed in the thing. But it climb a tree. Sure, sure,
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  Speaker 3: So we flat tow that down to Moab.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I've been I've been wanting to buy a
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  Speaker 1: CJ two A or CJ three A for a very
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  Speaker 1: long time.
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  Speaker 4: I want to see J five. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 4: I can't explain it.
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  Speaker 3: It's a V eight in the Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 4: Can explain it. I can do a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I had a three oh four in it, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: So I had had that three A and then a
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  Speaker 3: friend of mine was deeply involved and still is with
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  Speaker 3: Landrover in Utah, so I got into I had a
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  Speaker 3: Series three eighty eight that we've put a full defender
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  Speaker 3: interior in it and rebuild the engine in that. And
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  Speaker 3: then I had a Series two A one oh nine
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  Speaker 3: right hand drive out of Wales. For a little while,
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't trust either of them out of the town.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were driving around the town, you were awesome.
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  Speaker 1: You were on Sofari in Salt Lake.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it was. They were cool, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Very sexy, super cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very sexy vehicle.
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  Speaker 4: Did yours stop because my one o nine two A
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  Speaker 4: did not stop.
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  Speaker 3: If you put your feet out on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the most effective way to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I went through a lot of sand.
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  Speaker 4: They had some kind of master cylinder that had like
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  Speaker 4: a little air pocket, and the factory prescribed method was
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  Speaker 4: to park the vehicle on a forty five degree slope
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  Speaker 4: so you could bleed the brakes. So I'm like, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to do that. No, I'm just not going to
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  Speaker 4: have brakes.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just go slow and yeah down hif Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Your Your land rover was awesome too, mad. I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't it like from a game park somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: It was like imported from I want to say somewhere
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  Speaker 4: that was right hand drive, so South Africa or England.
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking South Africa based on the fact that
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  Speaker 4: there was no rust, and then it lived on a
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  Speaker 4: it was like out of It's like the out of
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  Speaker 4: Africa game park in somewhere in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: That's right there.
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  Speaker 3: I remember the blue with.
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  Speaker 2: The bulging on Ralph Ralph. Yeah, the land Rover. That
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  Speaker 2: thing was awesome, though.
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  Speaker 3: Mine wasn't so lucky. It came out of Wales and
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  Speaker 3: it was a bucket.
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  Speaker 4: Of rust, but it looked awesome, so broke the frame
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  Speaker 4: and so in in in the capacity that I've known Paul,
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  Speaker 4: you have been fanatical about land cruisers, is it? This?
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  Speaker 4: Was it the one O nine's fault that you went Hartially.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of things. One, the old vintage rovers were
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  Speaker 3: pretty snooty bunch. If you did anything outside of rover
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  Speaker 3: it was.
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  Speaker 2: It's still this, It's still.
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  Speaker 3: The same way. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could, if you put a tire wider
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  Speaker 1: than ten inches on a land rover, yeah, your ex
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  Speaker 1: communicat out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you're out.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see. I'm I'm I love unicorns, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and that's I like to see what people can do
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  Speaker 3: with them, and so I did. I hopped into Well
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  Speaker 3: for necessity of something reliable that I could take out
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  Speaker 3: of town to drive and wheel and come back and
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  Speaker 3: still be in the same truck. That was one reason.
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  Speaker 3: But I also like, I'd like to see what people
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  Speaker 3: can do with them and modifying vehicles and so so Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so I went through. I bought a second Gen four
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  Speaker 3: Runner back in the in the early nineties, proceeded to
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  Speaker 3: roll it.
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  Speaker 2: To to remember that story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was up in Snowholmush Pass and hit black
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  Speaker 3: ice and did a seven to twenty on the road,
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  Speaker 3: and then a horizontal seven to twenty off of the
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  Speaker 3: road full on yard. Celle walked away with a scratch
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  Speaker 3: of my nose and the car was dented in every panel,
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  Speaker 3: and I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, dang, these are pretty good cars.
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  Speaker 3: I went right back to Salt Lake and bought me
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  Speaker 3: another one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the car saved your life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, imagine a few in the land Rover, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: or any Vantage vehicle when that happened.
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  Speaker 4: Paul, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Would not be around, that's yeah, aren't sure? So yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So it started in the with the four runners, as
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  Speaker 3: far as that goes, and I've been through a couple
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  Speaker 3: of different pickups and from there I ended up with
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  Speaker 3: the hundred series Anchors. There was actually my wife's car
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  Speaker 3: to start with because I had another work truck and
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  Speaker 3: some other things going on there. And when we started
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  Speaker 3: up the started up, EQUIPPED told my wife I need it.
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  Speaker 3: I need a truck to put all the stuff on.
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  Speaker 3: She looked at me square in the eye, she says,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not driving a tank. I want a car.
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  Speaker 2: That was that.
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  Speaker 4: She got a car, and I got it and got
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  Speaker 4: as I got a tank out of it.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, and then we've got a.
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  Speaker 1: Progression from there now on that on that one hundred
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  Speaker 1: series land cruiser, because that was the one that you
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  Speaker 1: had the longest, and I mean we did a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of traveling together in that and you even competed in
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  Speaker 1: valiantly in the expedition trophies of early days with that vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what you really liked about
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  Speaker 1: you did with the vehicle, and then maybe some things
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  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't do again or that you found were
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  Speaker 1: maybe shortcomings of the hundred.
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  Speaker 3: The hundred was a beast of a vehicle, and anything
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  Speaker 3: I threw at it, it just didn't seem to care.
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  Speaker 3: And I put more on it and more on it
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  Speaker 3: and more on it, and it had everything you can imagine.
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  Speaker 3: It's way over GVWR on that thing. And it was
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  Speaker 3: a blast, and I had a wonderful time, and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to get rid of it. And so I
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  Speaker 3: think that what I did is I overbuilt it. There
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  Speaker 3: was just too many systems trying to come out of
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  Speaker 3: that one single vehicle. Now it's still running and still
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  Speaker 3: going and doing fine for the gentleman that has it now.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that was probably the one thing that
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  Speaker 3: I would say that I did.
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  Speaker 2: Is I overbuilt that truck?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the cruisers are so heavy and stout to begin
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  Speaker 4: with that they're easy to overbuild, though you know, you
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  Speaker 4: kind of have to put o rear bumper on them.
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  Speaker 4: You kind of need some sliders, you kind of need this,
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  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden got an extra two three
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  Speaker 4: hundred pounds of just stuff bolted before you put the
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  Speaker 4: stuff in it.
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  Speaker 3: And I had a forty five gallon auxiliary tank, so
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  Speaker 3: I was carrying seventy two gallons on board that thing.
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  Speaker 3: I could drive to LA and fill up and drive back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, there's no problem at all. So I think the
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  Speaker 3: weight of all that stuff. But other than that, boy,
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  Speaker 3: that was a lot of fun. A lot of it
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  Speaker 3: was built by myself. I did a lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: My first rack on there was an ATV ramp that
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  Speaker 3: I bolted together and put some some oddball stuff on there.
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  Speaker 3: Before we really got into the into the market of
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  Speaker 3: what we see today as the overlanding market, it was
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  Speaker 3: you were on your own if you wanted a rack.
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  Speaker 2: There wasn't Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, And I think I think you and I
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  Speaker 1: first started talking probably around two thousand and four or so,
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  Speaker 1: does that sound right on the timeframe, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Five, I think five fall of five or early six.
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  Speaker 1: I had been working with Nathan Hinman, who was working
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  Speaker 1: on some of the easy On stuff, and then I
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  Speaker 1: think you just called me up one day and you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm Paul May and I'm the guy who's bringing
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  Speaker 1: in all this cool easy On stuff. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for all of the photos and all of the
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  Speaker 1: coverage that you've been I mean, you were just very gracious.
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  Speaker 1: I remember it was such a It left an impression
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  Speaker 1: on me that first conversation. You were very gracious about it.
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  Speaker 1: You were I remember you being very complimentary of Jess
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  Speaker 1: and his dad, and I mean at the time, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's how you connected with easy On,
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  Speaker 1: was that you you met one of the stoolers on
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  Speaker 1: their way north right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that quite honestly, where I am right now,
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  Speaker 3: it wouldn't have happened without my involvement with Line Cruisistion.
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  Speaker 3: Quite honestly, it wouldn't at all. Back in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and five, I was looking for a change in my life.
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  Speaker 3: I've been working at the same company for going on
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty years and it was time for me to
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  Speaker 3: do something different. And Jack Stuler, he was a founder
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  Speaker 3: of easy On, and he was on a trip. He
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  Speaker 3: was in his sixties, and I was with his girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: and they had put together a troopie and had driven
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  Speaker 3: it from Uwaya to Alaska and they came into Salt
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  Speaker 3: Lake and I was in the presidency of our local
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  Speaker 3: land Cruiser club and I invited him to stop and
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  Speaker 3: let us see you never saw troopies aren't rare, especially.
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  Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago, totally.
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  Speaker 3: And so he stopped and we kind of hit it off,
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  Speaker 3: and he had all these interesting things on this truck
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  Speaker 3: I had never seen before, and he showed me all
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  Speaker 3: of them, and he says, you know, anybody'd be interested
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  Speaker 3: in bringing this stuff to the United States. And I
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  Speaker 3: started to say somebody else's name, and my wife punched me,
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  Speaker 3: and the arm looked at me, like, you idiots. Just
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  Speaker 3: there's that look. You get the look right, No words
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  Speaker 3: have said, so just give me that look. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're right, I am an idiot. And I said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: can we talk about this tomorrow? And I spent a
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  Speaker 3: sleepless night thought it over and decided I'm gonna start
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  Speaker 3: a company. Told Jack that the next day, and we
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  Speaker 3: met with the whole Landage Cruiser Club and I flew
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  Speaker 3: down to Houston when he was backing it up to leave,
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  Speaker 3: and I said, I'm serious, looked him in the eye.
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  Speaker 3: We shook hands, and that's the only deal we've made.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And it's been a gentleman's agreement ever since. I think
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  Speaker 3: the stoolers, Jack and his son Jess, Jess is running
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  Speaker 3: easy on now. True gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible, were and above true.
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  Speaker 3: Gentlemen and gentlemen, and they are loyal and honorable men,
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: and I'm privileged to be involved with that company. So
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: we started out at that point. I started the company
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: up and our first show was was the Eastern jep
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Sofarani in two thousand and six. And I show up
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: with this truck and man park it down in the
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: middle of that booth area. I'm right across from Ksey Highlights,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: and they're semi and all this stuff, right, and these
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: guys are walking by with the tank tops and the
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: beers and they're staring at my thing like I had
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: a third head, and they're like, what's that. I haven't
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: seen anything like that, and I talked to the KC
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: guys and they're like, well, welcome to the Super Bowl,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: young man. And I'm sitting over there by myself, you know, like, hey,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: look at me. I'm cool. And yeah, it was a
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: very interesting start. Yeah, Yeah, that was kind of the
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: start of the whole thing is we brought stuff in
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: an early time.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Now Casey has roof tents on their vehicles. Life comes circle.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a pretty interesting start for sure.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And yeah, my experience with the students have also been that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: And in fact, I remember when we were preparing the
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: land cruisers. We came into Africa and you were with
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: me and Greg and Kurt and the team from Expedition
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: seven in Africa. We did that whole trip together. We
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: did Botswana and the Skeleton Coast and that was just
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: an incredible experience. And Jess and Jack let us just
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: basically store those trucks in their shop for a long
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: time months before we sent them off for Antarctica. On
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the E seven experience, what were some of the things
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: that you noticed, because sometimes I have trouble seeing the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: forest for the trees, but since you were involved with
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: E seven for that one leg, what were some of
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the things that you took away from that, things that
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: maybe you recognize is that's a really good idea, or
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: maybe that isn't such a good idea. What were some
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: of the things some of the takeaways that you had
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: from Expedition seven.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing I took away was your
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: philosophy on the builds on the troopies. Out of that
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and how you took took great care to make sure
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: that they were they were light and nimble and functional,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: and you had a lot of capability that you probably
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: would never use, but you had it in case something happened.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: You had an ability to take care of it, of
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: everybody and your crew if you lost one of them
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: for some reason. And I thought that was that was
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: pretty cool. I mean, it was a different take than
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I had taken on vehicles at that point. You know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I was throwing all the stuff out of my good
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: of course, I'm in the market.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, that's what I do.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I sell stuff, so you show the stuff, right, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I still do and I still have that stuff on there.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: But I thought it was a really good way of
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: going about that. And it's preservation of assets and some
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: of the things you've taught me early on too. That
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: one was really cool. Also learned that there is a
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: rev limitter on a sixty series or a seventy series
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: land Cruiser with a four speed and V six. When
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: we were out in the and the Oh yeah, I
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: got to ride with the gentleman that was our scout.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, man, he's he just just wrapped that
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: thing out. Yeah, trip out in the Skeleton coast, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: so I got to ride along with the guy figuring
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: out where we're going. And he was high marking this
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: thing like a snowmobile.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: He was so good. He was so good at it. Yeah.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it like didn't and he had like a
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: colostomy baged. It was just like the most unusual experience.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was just this ninja on the dunes,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: but you know the yeah, and he just needed he
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: needed his magic carpet.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: It was incredible how well he could drive.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: And we had these you know, these fairly heavy trucks
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: for what they but they were underweight but still a
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: heavy truck, kind of lumbering behind going across the thing.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: And he's a little I was like hair on fire.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I'm going, oh god, this is this is awesome. Yeah,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and that was a lot of fun. First helicopter ride
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: that I ever took in my life was on that
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: trip up in the Okevando.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in that delta there.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: And getting up in that glora fied Volkswagen Beetle with.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: An R forty four man. It's the most it's the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: most deadly helicopter ever made.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: It was perfect.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: It was such an awesome feeling to be up and
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: above that and see all that going on.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: The wildlife, right, Yeah, the wildlife was impressive, even out
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: on the Skelton Coast.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: The wildlife was impressive. Yeah, for sure.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Four days out there by yourself and the dunes and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: there's nobody. Yeah, we were it driving on on Ruby Sand.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I know, it was incredible.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Seeing them, seeing those ships locked in on you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: one hundred meters from a thousand meters from from the coast.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Just things ingrained in my memory and I will never forget. Yeah,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: thanks to you guys. So it was a wonderful trip.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I really, it really was such a great time. I was.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I remember when we first started getting into the dunes
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and those seventies were just struggling. We were we weren't
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: even half a mile in and we weren't even into
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the big dunes yet, and these trucks were struggling.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Those dudes are big.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: They're big, They're really big.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: And I remember a couple there was a couple members
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: of the team that they were starting to get very
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: nervous and like, we're never gonna like, we haven't even
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: made it half a mile yet, and we've got to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: go hundreds of miles. And I just kept saying, it's
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: we're going to find the right tire pressure, We're going
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to find the right tire, and we kept getting lower
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and lower, and I think we ended up running those trucks,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: as I recall, at about ten psi in the rear
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and about twelve psi up front, and I did we
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: did lose some beads on the wheels, but it was
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the only way you could get them through was just
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: very very low pressures.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: And good spotting on them.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and good we had great drivers and stuff like that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, showed how amazing of a driver Kurd is
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to haul that seventy nine filled with all that few
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and everything like this.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he does just and it doesn't I haven't
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: yet to find anything that affects.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he's he's good with whatever.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Ye that's we got to break the truck and you
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: know in Greenland, great, I get on and fixing that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Whatever it is. Curtis is swayed in his activities. That
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: was cool. The other thing that I really remember is
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: going down the dunes. Okay, so sand can only effectively
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: get to a forty five degree angle on the sand.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: You'd lean over those sand dunes and they.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Would growl at you.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: You get the car and he's like right in the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: sand because there's so much air in those sand dunes
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: because they've been blowing around. We're compressing that air out
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of them. And the growling that came out of these
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: hills as you're going down it was.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And I've never I've never experienced that in any other
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: sand dunes. So in Peru, in the Gobi and any
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: other sand dunes, I've never experienced that growling effect.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: It was. It was unnerving. It was like a lion.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Growing Where's that? You got to go back, man, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: gotta go back.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: You got to go back. It wassive.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: It was awesome.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think seven we'll all three of us have
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: been on that in various stages.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I want to go back to Africa. You're talking about Africa.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, nothing else matters anymore. I don't care
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: about mo I don't care about the Mojave Road. Take
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: me back to Africa.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had some wonderful experiences over there, and I
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: love going.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Over there, and it's just not what people think it is,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: you know. I feel like there's a there's a strong apprehension,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: like I always get people that ask me, aren't you
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: are you worried about being there? I'm like, well, if
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: I went home to Chicago, I'd be a little.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Bit way more worried.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I'd feel a little bit more worried than you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: like the worst thing that's going to happen, you know
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: in Namibia is you know you're going to start to
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: death because there's no one there, which means there's no
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: one there to commit a crime exactly.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, there's I think four or five cities
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: in the United States that are more dangerous than No Question,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Jo No Question in the list of crime issues. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: there are issues.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I'm giving It still sketches me out, let's be straight.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: But I remember when you picked me up at the airport,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: You're like, we gotta be careful driving it. I'm like
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: we're on the highways, Like, yeah, we gotta be careful
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: driving it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: There are issues, Don't get me wrong. There are There
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: are certain issues, but there are issues everywhere. There are
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: certain areas in Los Angeles I don't drive, yeah, or
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Chicago or East Saint Louis or you know, you can
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: pick them out and you just don't go there, or
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: if you do, you go with people.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Well, and I was picking you up at the airport
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in a g wagon and I'm like, we're going to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: just like, we're gonna stick to this one route.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: It was like that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: When COVID was starting to be a thing. Yeah, I remember,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: like when it was like the last trip.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the last trip we were all on. Dang,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: it's a while ago, totally. What was your favorite trip
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in Africa, even if it's you know, let's not assume
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that it's East seven. What's been one of the most
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: memorable adventures that you've had on that continent.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say a couple Okay, had a chance
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: to go with Jack and Jess out to Kruger National
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Park and travel over that park also went with you
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: and we and we went up and did that incredible
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: trip with that medik way right. Yeah, I think it
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: was in that that in Paula that ran into the
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: side of the Oh yeah, and.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: The wild dogs. Yet I wasn't that wild Matt.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: So Matt and I have been having a conversation about Africa,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and I said, I said, Mat, I'm just telling you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: from my own screw up do the morning game drives,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: because I was the one guy who was.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, I'm going to sleep in this day.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And Bruce and paul and whoever else, I mean maybe
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Jess was there too. They all go out and and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I Paula runs into the side of the game truck
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like center punches, it knocks itself out, and then a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: pack of wild dogs devour it right over the vehicle,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like right next to the vehicle.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: From me to you, it was like air breathing piranha.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I mean they left like three bones out of this
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: poor little animal. You're looking at. You've got your camera
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: in your hair, and you're.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Like and all of a sun and off they go.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: And I was like, good God, crazy stuff.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and I missed that one. I missed it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: That was what I told Madam, Like Matt, I missed
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the coolest thing.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I've got one hundred days until Tanzania.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that was a good one. I had to
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: get Kalahati on the other side, Oh sure, just below
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: then maybe a beautiful place, lots of animals outside. But
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the one it sounds gonna sound funny, the most memorable
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: trip that I've had over there. I went with Heather
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: on and it was more of a cruise touring we took.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: We flew down to uh Port Elizabeth on the southeast coast.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: We were rented a Mercedes and they decided upgraatest to
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: a jeep Grand cherokeeos less than excited about that. Come on,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: really this, come on, where's the murk? And we did
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: a garden route.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: The whole sum Yeah, it was beautiful, and.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Went to the National Parks and rented one of their
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: cottages in the National Parks and saw that all happen.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: We bungee jumped off the highest bungee jump on the planet,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: six hundred and seventy foot crevasse that we jumped off
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: a perfectly good bridge by our ankle. That was that
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: feel fun feel.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Noodle afterwards, like did it like kind of I imagine
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: you get a great backcrack.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: What they did is they lined you up by size.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Well guess where I was, right, So I got to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: watch all of.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: The people in front of me lined up there.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: And the first one say, the gals were a little
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: bit scary. It's what they do is they touch you
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: all over. Like the Heather was up there getting ready
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and she was getting all nerved out, and so they
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: were checking things, you know, and they kept her mind busy.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: So she's watching them check them all, you know, check
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: all over. And they said, okay, we're going to count
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: to the three and you're gonna go one, two three.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Oh that's all I heard, was my life off that
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: they she comes back, they go grab you with a winch.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: It's like a high speed like one of the eighty
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: two seventy four winch.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Right, they drop a guy down on a cable, hook
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: you on and winch you back up to the bridge.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: And then I did the jump, and I was a
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: heavy guy. I think I went the furthest I mean,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: there's enough time to scream twice, you know, if you
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: wanted to breathe in and scream again.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Go yeah, wow, And it was.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun and all the teeming
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: crocodiles down right.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Well hopefully we were ways up from the from the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: bottom there, but it was quite a good jump. And
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: we went from there, ended up south of Cape Town
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: and went out with the sharks the boat and went
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: swimming with the sharks for a while. And cages off of.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: That Great Whites. Yeah, oh incredible. How was that cool?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: All sorts of cool.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Now are you are you on like a rebreather or
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a regulator to a line to the boat, or you
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: have your own tank on or how are you staying there?
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: What they did they set it up as cages off
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the side of the boat, and so the cages were
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: going on about six feet in depth and they had
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: about two feet of air above so and we all
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: had tanks and we're all in the gear and so
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: you'd climb into the cage and the sharks were out
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: and about, so you could you could get your breather
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and go down under the water and be like meet
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a you from these great Whites that were swimming around
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: in that area.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And did they care about you? Were they trying to
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: eat you?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: No?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: They you know, they swim by the one.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Eye and stick you out your hand out.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Please don't stick your hands out of this place. So
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: they really honestly didn't care to give a crap about
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: us being there. But it was really interesting. We got
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: to see some of them. Gat It's one of them
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: was about half the length.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Of the boat.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I bet it was close to twenty feet wow. Twenty
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: feet long.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: And videos of the whole thing and we did that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: That was kind of cool. Super jumped off lionhead on
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: a parasol and did all sorts of fun things that
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: were just more of a of an adventure for us
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: in a personal sense than driving off in trucks.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And going r Yeah. Sure we're in the middle.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Of nowhere of that, but I also love just going
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: in and for the sheer adventure of being in a
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: new place and finding new things.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, both sides of that, oh, no question. Yeah, you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: got to have the full spectrum. It's like Matt and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I have talked many times about, like how do we
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: get beyond the truck and maybe that's a mountain bike,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: maybe it's hiking. Maybe it's that you just want to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: go to that beautiful winery at the end of the day,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you talked about doing a Bourbon tour coming up or
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: something like that. I think including those those other elements
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: is so important.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So the trip just yea feed in other things as
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: you can, because the people that are there and know
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: what's going on, so not all of those little touristy
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: things are bad. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about about wine pining a trip around
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: wine at this point, just like a rose tour, a
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: rose tour of Provence. But we can call it overlanding.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow overlanding in your ninety Yeah, I'm overlanding.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: It's a pretty uh empty term at this point.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's now completely up to interpretation. Adventure
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: vehicle travel, right.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: We're venture vehicle travel.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if that you know that forces of interest,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: how about it?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: That's right? Yeah, you could.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It could be a Porsche from Rose Winery to Rose
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Winery in the South.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: You know, that would be a really great idea, except
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't really make it past the first one.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be an issue.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: So you have a two hundred series now and you
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: like it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I love that truck.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like it's my baby it's your baby.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Second baby, though, Yeah, I do. We took the hundred
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: series as far as I think it could could go.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: We were one of the first people to really build
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: up one hundred series, and so there was a lot
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: of folks who look at that. We traded it in
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: for a fifth Gen four Runner twenty thirteen Trail Edition.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I remember that one. That's when you were in Prescott.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we bought that and built that up, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Clay and his crew took that as an impetus to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: start their fore Runners too. They looked at a lot
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: what we did with that four hundred and said, hey man,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: this is a great flat it's cool, wonderful truck. Did
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: anything I asked?
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: I remember you saying that in dimensions it was very
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: similar to one hundred series, very much, even though it
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: looked slightly smaller than one hundred. That's something that's always
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: kind of stuck with me.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Very capable truck. It hauled on my little at Chaser
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: around better than the hundred did with the V six.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: The one thing I kept on telling everybody is the
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: reason why I like it more than the hundred is
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: because it was lighter. Yeah, but the worst thing about.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: It is that it was lighter, Yeah, felt lighter.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, lighter, the metals a little bit lighter. All of
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: all the things about it made it a more efficient vehicle, right,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: And so it outperformed the hundred, no question, but it
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: was I missed my hundred, Yeah, I missed my hundred,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and so we ended up getting a white twenty thirteen
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: to two hundred series that that vehicle. I haven't found
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: an equal in my in my eye, there's there's not
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: an equal to that vehicle.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And just this morning we went out and did a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: nice video shoot on that. So all those that are listening,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you'll see that come up on the YouTube channel expedition
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Portal dot com or Expedition Portal on YouTube. You'll see
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: that come up soon. But what I really noticed in
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: this particular build, having seen so many of your projects,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: is that this really is like the full culmination of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: your experience as a traveler and as a vehicle builder.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: And it's just a really thoughtful, thoughtful truck.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And what are the things that you like most about
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: this one? The modification? What are the couple modifications that
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you've done that you most liked about, you know, or
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that you most appreciate.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Well the start out with good tires and suspension. I
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: keep to try it. I try my best to keep
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: it as simple as possible, and most I don't know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: durable as possible. The ones that I really liked the
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: work that Goose Gear did on the interior back when
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: when Goose Gear had time to do things. They're very
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: busy now. But I had a custom goose Gear build
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: in the inside equal to the weight that I took
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: out of out of seats, put it back in there
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: with a lot more functionality. Now I can sleep in
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that vehicle when I run by myself. I screwed the
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: passenger seat forward and chile forward, and I've got six
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: foot seven inside.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: So I throw through a rest down and sleeping bag
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: and just like the East seven, try to like I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: getting full circle here. Like the Seven's sleep inside, You've
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: got a lot of visibility, a lot of protection. You
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: can get out of something fast if you need to,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: especially if you're solo. That works out really well. One
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: of the other things that I figured out it didn't
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: take long is on a trip to Australia, I looked
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: around looking for roof racks, and there aren't any roof
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: racks on vehicles. They're all running load bars and the
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: reason why is because of the weight restrictions on the vehicles, right,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: So guys are trying to run light. All those load
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: bars instead of racks is saving weight. Load bars are
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: working just as fine under a hardshell or a soft
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: shell rooftop tent. It's redundant to have a rack underneath
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: that scenario. So I'm running load bars on mine instead.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Of a full act that. I noticed that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just about all the weight in that vehicle is
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: below waist high in my vehicle.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: That's cool.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I was watching it on the trail today. I mean,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we went through that very crossed axle downhill obstacle, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the vehicle was very settled. Even with a roof tent
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and an awning up top. All the vehicle was really
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the the F two fifty tremor that I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: was driving was like dancing wheels, like let me, let
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: me we lift to this to the moon on this side,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and then we'll lift to the moon on the other side.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: And yours, your truck was totally stable.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: See now, yeah, there's i mean above above chest high
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: in that vehicle. There's maybe three hundred and fifty pounds. Yeah,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that includes the roof of the vehicle. Yeah, so there's
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: not a lot of weight in relative terms to the
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: rest of the vehicle. Yeah, above waist high on that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: So so it's a good fit.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd do different with that truck if
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you were to build it again, Something that you'd leave
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: out or do or use a different solution.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: For no cool, Not one thing.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: In the older vehicles, I did a lot of electrical
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: built up, all sorts of systems and relays and switches
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: and do dads and bills and all this stuff. I'm
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: down to a six circuit blue seafuse block. I didn't
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: need all of that stuff. Now with LED lights, you
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: don't need all the relays, you don't need all that stuff.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: You have all the switch pro switch s pod you.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Can, Yeah, but I don't and I don't even have to.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: You don't have to do any of that if you're
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: into that. Awesome. But what I found is that when
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I built it in there, I never used it. The
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: one hundred series had a hot water system in it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I had a hot water heat shower system built into
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: the thing. It was like a two thousand dollars gizmo
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I used twice. Yeah, come on, you know, it's a
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: lot of weight and a lot of the necessary stuff.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: So we've really tapled it all down and blended it
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: all out. And this is a bit umpteeth to build
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: on a truck. So I've got it down to what
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I want and that's fine with me.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: I've definitely found that as I build more vehicles, less
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: is more, you know, Like I with Michael, I tried
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: to make it a little sailboat, and I now kind
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: of regret that because I have all this weight in
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: all this complexity, and I'm like, well, I could have
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: also just had a fan and a light in there
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: and probably have been just as happy.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Utah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you are from Utah, born and raised and raised.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: So for those listeners who haven't been, what's the what's
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the one thing people should see in Utah?
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I'd say, just don't come.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: It's just just.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: I've heard it's really bad and dangerous, us super dangerous.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: No it h And Scott's alluded to this over the years,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and I've heard him say it in quite a few places.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: He's been a lot of places. This guy, you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: this guy here has been a long, he's been a
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: few and his favorite place is southern Utah. And I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: would agree one hundred percent. I know, I've been traveling
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: southern Utah for going on forty years and I have
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: not seen it all. And a couple of our friends
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: have seen more probably seen it all, but I have
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: not seen it all. And it is just spectacular. There's
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: nothing else that I have seen on the planet like it.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Well, there's such diversity of terrain in Utah. You know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: you have alpine and then you have these like other
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: worldly rock eroded sculptures.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, from you know, from the Arches area, with three
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: National parks within that range. Bryce Canyon's amazing scion is amazing.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: The whole Escalante area is impressive. Sentrafels, Well, I mean
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I could go on for forever. And I've done a
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: couple of little seminars. At some of the events that
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: we've done, We're all sit down and for an hour.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I take out the paper map, the Utah state official
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: paper map, and I lay it out and I start
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: in the northwest corner of the state and I go
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: to the southeast corner and I say, go here, see this,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: this is a great camp spot. Don't miss a burger
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: at rays and Green.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: River to a Yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Another place we've all been together is raised.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: And point out all the things and you could spend
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a couple months easily doing nothing but going on or
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: route around the state. It's life changing for me. It's
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: it's my life. That's what I really enjoy to do.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Is Yeah, Southern Utah. I'm a Utah boy. Yeah, it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: through and through. Northern Utah is beautiful. There's a lot
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: of alpine there, but there's alpine in Southern Utah too.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: We drive up to over ten thousand feet in Southern
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Utah and get way above tree line if you want
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to do that kind of stuff. It's it's a lot
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: of fun too. But there's so much area to cover and.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: It's so accessible too. I think that's like really the
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: cool thing for people that are, you know, considering planning
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: a trip to Utah is that there's not a lot
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of private land, so much of it is public, so
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: much of it is accessible. And I love it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: There, Yeah, I do too. And so as far as
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: one place to go, do.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: You guys ever find yourselves you're in wherever and you're
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: like that looks like Utah.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally do, except except that there's so much of
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that in Utah. I mean the fact that you've got
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean canyon lands alone. You could it
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: seems like you could spend a lifetime exploring that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Oh in the backpacking options down the yeah Sandless. Have
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: you guys ever been to Capitolcia, Turkey?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: No so you yeah, you went there recently?
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Well the balloons there, right, Yeah, they do the hot
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: air ballooning above first Limestone, right, and it was kind
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: of a crossroads between the East West and on the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Silk Round and in that area, you know, coming down
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: from from well the crossing there in Turkey. It's impressive.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: We went up and did the hot air balloons. I
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: had a friend that was in the military over there,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: and so we went over and said hi, and he
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: took us around there a little ways. But that whole
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: area reminded me of Bryce with different colors. Wow. Oh
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: and by the way, they made caves in Bryce.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah sure, but yeah, they had.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: You know, hundreds of years of people living in the
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: caves in like Bryce Canyon, only white.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah. You go around the world and you're like, yeah,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: that's like here, that's like that you assimilated to home.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, Oh that's that's such a cool experience. So
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I'd love to go to Cappadocia. That'd be awesome. And
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: a special thanks to this week's supporting sponsor ARB. The
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: latest episode of AARB Experiences stars land cruiser aficionado and
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: my good friend Kurt Williams. The Baja one thousand competitor
• 40:18
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• 40:20
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• 40:24
  Speaker 1: way down to Ushwaya, as well as several crossings of Australia.
• 40:28
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• 40:31
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• 40:33
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• 40:37
  Speaker 1: watch Kurt's full story at arbusa dot com. And then
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: there's another kind of vehicle that you have a particular
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: love for, and that's that Gen one Tundra. You are
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: definitely a fan of those things.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's the most underrated truck to I think.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's almost like you don't want to ruin
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it by getting the word out there that they're still
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: one of the best. It has the four to seven
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: V eight, which is one of the most reliable motors
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Toyota ever brought the United States, and it's got plenty
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of power, and it's not as big as a full
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: size truck, but it's also not as compact as a Tacoma.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: You know it is, you know, the Gen three Tacomas.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: The Gen one Tundra is a bye I think somewhere
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: in the range of an inch wider and an inch
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: longer than the Tacoma. Now, yeah, okay, but you've got
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: a V eight in it. And wait, this one that
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: we have, we call it Sleepy.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: And that's the one that's supercharged. Yeah, we put a
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: supercharge so Sleepy Kurt Williams, sorry, good friend. He had,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: as far as we know, the last inbox on the
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: shelf TRD supercharger in the United States, and we put
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: it on this truck. And another friend of mine installed it,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: who was the master tech instructor.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Will Carroll put oh yeah, well, yeah, he does amazing.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Work, genius, you know, with a inch. So he put
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: it on there, so I knew it was all done right,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: you know, and that that thing moves now has the
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: same horse and torque as my Gen three Tundra, but
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it's the size of a Tacoma and we put airbags
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: on it, so I call it my three quarter ton
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: V eight Tacoma. Yeah, sure, right, But it has the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: ability to hold the weight more properly than the Tacoma's do,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and it has the power to handle all that stuff.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I think it's it's the most underrated truck
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: there is.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: I think there was a period in time when almost
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: every mechanic that I knew drove a first gen Tundra
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: because they didn't want to have to work on anything.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: That's so true. Yeah, mechanics don't want like literally, look.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Look in the back car dealer or whatever. You're going
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: to see mechanics driving first gen Tundras. They just the
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: only thing that wears out is the paint.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: True. No, they do seem to all be using their thing.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: That was when they kind of were just switching to
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: water based paints area, like late nineties, early two thousands.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Right in that range, they were starting to do some
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: odd ball paint stuff. But yeah, we love that truck.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: We love that truck. Everybody fights to drive it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. And then what are some of the other
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: projects you've got going right now.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I've got a an FJ forty that I've had
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: for twenty plus years, and we started using that for
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: display and other things. And that's one of those Unicorn
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: vehicles that I was telling you about. I've had that
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: the longest. It's got a five to seven Vortech in it,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: thirty sevens and blah blah blah. It's a lot of fun.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: That's my summer summer driver, you know, the midlife crisis,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: a little red convertible. Yeah, twenty years ago. But the
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: one we're building right now is a nineteen eighty three
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: FJA sixty fun and it's a really clean, really clean truck.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: But where did you Where did you find that one?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: At a friend of mine in Salt Lake City was
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: selling it. He found it. It was a Texas truck.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: And it'll make obvious sense in a second. The Texas
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: truck that a gentleman bought for his wife. She wanted
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: a land cruiser. She drove it once and they parked
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it for five years. And so he picked it up
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: and you know, shined it up a little bit and
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: did a couple of things, and then I took on
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: the project from there, because I've always loved the sixties.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: But the drive train in it's the unique thing. It
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: has a Ford three point fifty one windsor race engine
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: in it, Whoa with a Dana transfer transmission and transfer
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: case four hundred horse v eight in the sixty series,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: and it looks stock. I mean from the outside you
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: look at it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Just sounds terrible, sounds terrifying. It sounds like it sounds
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: like that's.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Like a really quick way to end up dead because
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that car does not stop or turn either.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: It's fine, it's not going to go out and I'm
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: not in a drag racing but it's fun there you
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: are maybe a little just a little bit, not like
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: the two hundred. We're not going to go lightning fast
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: on the on this one, but it's fun. You get it,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: you loaded up, and you pull up to somebody in
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: there in their Mustang, you know, and they're like, right,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: you hit there right next to you.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Look at you, like what the hell?
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: It's fun. So we've been keeping it pretty stock. We
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: added a few few odds and bits to make sounds
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: totally stock, totally stock, not right, just don't look under
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the hood. That's kind of a fun.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: The worst thing about the sixty is the engine. I mean,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: like I'm I'm not saying that it's not reliable, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: it's super Yeah, run forever like an incredible tractor station.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: But it's an incredible tractor engine. It's FJ forty with
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: a really nice body.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah they're slow, they're slow. But that was my first
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: land cruiser was a nineteen eighty three f J sixty.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Really mm hmm fun. That was my first land cruiser.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't own it for very long because it was
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: just me driving, and I'm like, why do I need
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: such a big car? So I found a guy up
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: in Flagstaff that had a growing family and an FJ forty,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and by some like providence, like we were talking about earlier,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: he needed a sixty and I wanted a forty. And
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: we met up in Lake Pleasant and we drove each
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: other's car, and we signed each other's titles over and
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: we both went home in the other vehicle. It was
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the craziest exchange I've ever had in my life. There
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: was no money exchange. It were worth basically the same
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: amount of money, and he got a super clean Grandpa
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: driven nineteen eighty three sixty and I got.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: A FJ forty.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: So both good vehicles.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great vehicles.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Those are going to stick with me for a long time.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's cool, and no reason to change that. On
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the sixties.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Look, they do look great.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: It's like classic.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I haven't had a two hundred and I haven't had
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: a sixty. Those are the only like two land.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Cruisers I haven't Oh you had one hundred, oh.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: And I haven't had a hundred. Okay, so this is
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: all just crap. I was thinking that it was like,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: you need to pick it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: First I started saying, now it's the only one that
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: I haven't had, And then I'm like the.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Guy that cars like toilet paper and you haven't had those?
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: What's up with it?
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I should fix it, I think. So
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: I got to wait for those containers because.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: You had a you had you had an eighty. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: know exactly. You had an eighty very early in life.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I traded I traded a uh land Rover Discovery for it. Oh,
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: it was like my first car and uh at that
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: time I couldn't afford to fix the rusty exhaust on
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: the eighty series and uh I remember driving it to
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: all of America and the breaks just lines just burst
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: on the highway, and I'm like, what the hell do
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I do?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: What did you do?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Uh? Crimped them off, reblet them and went them all
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: of America. I didn't need rear breaks.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally overrated, completely.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if you can notice
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the difference of an eighty series has where breaks or not.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I don't really, they don't. They don't stop. I love eighties,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: They're amazing. I just did.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: The breaks is just something that I tend to take
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: issue with.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Closed the chapter on the eighty series.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: But it was a nice chap, awesome truck.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yours was amazing. Yeah, Yeah, that was a very
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: cool project, Matt, for sure. One of the things we
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: also like to ask Paul is books that you have
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: come to love or maybe books that you've given to
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: others many times, because it's made such a difference for you,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and it can be anything at all, Like what are
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: some of your favorite reads?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Is Paul may I've been dreading this question.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, is it mad Magazine? That's how I would answer it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: It's pretty close.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in a different vein though, Yeah, and in high
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: school I tried to be deep. I thought I was
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: going to be philosophical and you know, like Albert Camu
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: and Heart of Darkness, you know, the whole apocalypse now
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: kind of like. But what I liked about that that
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: was is somebody that went far deep into Africa and
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: found himself, but that what he found was a godlike
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: person taking over everything in its surroundings. Sure, very interesting.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Deep.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not a deep guy. I found that out after
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: after reading some of that stuff. I was like, yeah,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: That that's your favorite.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I'm going to stay on the books for a sec.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Then we can talk about your some of the things
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: uh crack hours put out, Oh yeah, into the deep
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: or into the thin, into thin air and into the
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: wild ye both analogous do our lives here as far
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: as too much crowding in one area can be catastrophic
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: if you're not taking care of things correctly, or if
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: you go too far in the deep by yourself and
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: things can happen out of your control sometimes.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just such a not only a wordsmith, but
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the research that he does to paint a picture of
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: something that in both cases were tragic, very tragic situations.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: But it makes you think more. Yeah, preparation and making
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: sure sure that what you do is is going to
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: be Okay, I love those things. This is going to
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: sound really weird. Maybe not. I really like I'm a
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Buffett fan. Okay, okay. He wrote a book called
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: a Pirate looks at fifty, which is a play on
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: a song of his. It's called Pirate looks at forty
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and it was a story in an autobiographical way, and
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: it talks about him and where he started and what
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: he did. And so I almost kind of like emulate
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: that guy. I think he does an awesome job. He
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: runs an incredible billion dollar enterprise in bare feet. Yeah right.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: And Mario, our friend Mario has a great analogy of it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Is like a duck.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: You see a duck on the water and it looks
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: like it's just cruising in heaven, you know, just ease,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: handling life with ease. But you get down under the
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: water in those little little ways. You're doing this the
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: whole time. You're doing this constantly. But if you look
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: at Jimmy Buffett on the outside, you think this guy
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: is just this laid back, hangout Hawaiian.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Shirt shorts, barefoot.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: But he has a billion dollar empire of five hundred
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: dollars margarita machines.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and flies a seaplane. And does you had
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: a sportsmobile? Yeah?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Sportsmobile out on his stuff back on the Eastern coast.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: And he's been all over the planet and he goes
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: and explores tropical places and exotic places in Africa and
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: all over the place. He's been everywhere. But he does
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: it his way. Yeah, and his way doesn't have shoes,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: And I can understand that completely.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I think I've seen you wear shoes a few times.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I mean I think maybe because we had to hike
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: somewhere or whatever it's required. Maybeeah exactly, but yeah, but
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, maybe if you went to Antarctica,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you would put shoes on.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe some socks, some socks.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: So I mean, do I hand out books and that
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: guy that does races reading?
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: No.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I went to school. I went to grad school, and
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I gradually learned I didn't want to read any books anymore.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I'd do enough of that.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: So I listened to stuff, you know, the military mystery
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: thriller kind of stuff, and it gets me across the
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: thousand mile days.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Cool, So it's it's brain dead stuff.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: No, just always find it fascinating what what people what
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: they identify with in that way?
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: So yeah, a couple lot of autobiographies. Autobiographies, Yeah I
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: said it right, you did Barack Obamas. Oh, I promised
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: land I thought I haven't read that. Yeah great, I
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: mean it's a pioneer in a different way. Yeah, sure,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: he had a lot of upward struggles.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: The other one that might sound kind of oddball is
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Matthew mcconaway.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Oh I've heard that. That's excuse me, I've heard It's great.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: It's his life has been venturing its own right, And
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: he was a nomad. He bought a vehicle, and he
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: bought an old airstream and he wandered the United States
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: for a couple of years. Interest Once in a while
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: he'd go back and make a film, and then he'd
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: get back in the truck with his garg and off
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: he goes again. Yeah, wandered the whole country.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Sounds perfect, sounds like it sounds like you in about
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: three weeks pretty about to pick up your first airstream.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's super excited about this.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: You can get you Margaritaville, Margarita Blunder in the airstream, and.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: You've got your dog and you can go wander around.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: The country, around the country.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: You can draw, You're going to be Matthew McConaughey, pretend that.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: You're in a Lincoln Commerci not as good looking. Okay
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: for one, that's all up the interpretation to you.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: It depends which movie he's in.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: True, he can look terrible if he wants to. No,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: but I found it very humorous. It's not been an
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: easy life for him. Some of it has, some of
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: it's not been. But I took a lot away on
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: being yourself, being true to what you want to be.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Find your goal, Yeah, live it. You find a way
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: of making that happen for yourself. And then that's what
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: he's done. He's done a good job of doing that
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: for himself.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: So that's a great suggestion. Cool.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a cool book.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: So now we got to ask you about your favorite beer,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: because I remember in your historic home that you had
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: downtown Salt Lake, you had a beer fridge. Its only
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: job was to maintain the ideal temperature of I think
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: a red stripe and there was something else in there.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Frosty barley bops of all nature at fridge, and it
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: was a full sized fridge we had added in the garage,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: and I at any given time I would have a
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: variety of somewhere between twenty five and thirty different beers
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: from all over the world stuffed in that fridge. The
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: new house has a beer fridge. It's just slightly smaller
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: version of the original. So favorite favorite beers I go
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: to right now is a full sale amber. Okay, next
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: getting into the ambers. More the IPAs, no interest whatsoever?
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mail frappuccinos something like that. Yeah, anything that
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: makes you know, these things right here in your neck,
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: anything that makes a little clinch you shouldn't drink and
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: then you get cotton mouth afterwards when you have like
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: an IPA.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Like O interesting. Yeah, that's why I guess I've never
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: even tried one.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: The IPA things interesting right, because it was like, here
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: have this beer that tastes like dandelions, And somebody was like, oh,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: I really liked this, totally lying, and then his friend
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: next to him was like, oh, yeah, I like that too,
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: And then it became like a thing thing. It became
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: like a I'm not going to admit that I don't
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: like this at least that's that's my opinion, is from
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: the perhaps blue ribbon drinker.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe it maybe it's an acquired taste.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I could be.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I'm really hoping that's the case that I have not
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: acquired that, And I'm fine with this A great way
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: to it's a great one. Or pails or something in
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: that ibu under thirty, I'm good with that. It's just
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: just fine with me. So, yeah, I got hooked on
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: red stripes for a while. It was I remember that
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: very dangerous sport. Utah is known for some very interesting
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: liquor laws, and so I knew exactly every entrance to
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: the state of Utah on where to pick up the
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: stash on the way back in.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I got you. I got you.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: One time, coming back from from Nevada, we stopped by
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: liquor store and Mesquite and I with the Chaser trailer
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: and I brought back it was like ten or twelve
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: cases of red stripe in the trailer, legging red stripe.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: And now I know why you bought a Chaser trailer.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: It was your bootlegs because I could I could adjust
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the air pressure on.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: No one whatever. No, it wasn't sagging or anything like that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: It worked out great. So for a long time. Now
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: you just got a little bit better on their whole process,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: and so it's not as bad.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Utah actually has some fantastic micro brews. They were kind
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: of ahead of a lot of the rest of the
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: country because of their laws, if I remember that correctly.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they've done some incredible things to make beers
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: with not much alcohol in.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Them taste really good.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I actually like that idea.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got like a full bodied beer that was
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: only you know, three percent or so.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: You can just drink a lot more of them.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you're a fan of Pacifico Light,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: but that is my Baja beer of choice. That's because
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: I can. It's a maintenance beer. I can sit down
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: with like a rack of it, and then at the
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: end I'm like, I'm rehydrated.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I feel slightly bloated, but totally hydrated.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and not drunk at all those all day long.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: What's next for you, Paul? Where would you like to
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: travel next? You've you've got this airstream that you're picking up.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: What's your with your goals for travel over the next
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: couple of years.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: With that in particular, we're going to do a lot
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: of Americana. I'm really looking forward to. I'm kind of
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: going the other way as far as as people are
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: like getting like, I got to get away from all
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: the people and I got to like, I'm going to
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: go and see some things that that are not in
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: the way out. So yeah, we're gonna We're gonna go
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: do the Smoky Mountains and we're doing a craft Bourbon
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: tour for a week and uh and seeing some of
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: the countryside and going up in South Dakota and seeing
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: in some of the Americana stuff there. I'm amazing to
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: cross coast to coast Canada. I think it would be
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Fun that great trans Canada Highway.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yea, do the full thing.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: And my wife and I are fortunate enough now that
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: where we are in our position so we can work
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: remote for the most part, and so we're going to
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: go and try that. We're even looking at staying for
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: a while a few months at a time promote if
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: we can work it out. There's still some bugs to
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: work out of that, but more of the Americana stuff
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: and vehicles that were hauling this trailer around with our
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: standalone and they're out their own right. So if we find,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: you know, get a bug upper nose and we want
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: to go, hey, let's go over there for a couple
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: of days and climb this impress a really hard technical thing,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: all right, just unhook the unhooked the trailer.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: And the cool thing with the trailer is you can
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: really just leave it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So like the trailer trailer that we chose is
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: light enough that we can haul it around with the
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: two hundred, and we've got everything on that two hundred
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: that we can live on its own, right. Sure, So
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: it's like the base ship and the Satellite X fighter cruiser,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: we can head out and do our thing. Or the
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Millennium Falcon. Yeah, as we talked about, just get away
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: and we could go and do the really nasty stuff
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: if we wanted to, not have a problem. So looking
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: forward to that adventure.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: So as we get close to the end here, I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: think that you should talk about why your land cruiser
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: is called the Millennium Falcon.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: I thought that was really great. So you have one
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: you have one sticker on the vehicle.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: One little white cut out and it's of a Millennium Falcon.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: What I like in it too, is that it's a
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: large cargo vessel that's white with black highlights on it,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: and it's capable of going like a bat out of hell.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what that six.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I've seen you drive Baha on six parces.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Pretty dang well. Not as fast as some of my friends,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: but I'm keeping up with them better better.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah it is. It's it's our little Millennium Falcon and
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: job just right.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I do remember when you came out to Prescott and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you wanted to start doing some higher speed driving and
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you and I spent about an hour perfecting your Scandinavian
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: flick in a one hundred series.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: That was really fun. That was a good day.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: That was an awesome day. My wife gave me a
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: birthday present of Scott Brady training one on one. This
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: is early, early on.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is when I actually did training way back.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Then, right back there, but even before the overland training thing.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to learn to drift and it's not
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: easy to drift a fully kitted one hundred series all
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: wheel drive track, but.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: We got it, oh we did. Yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: We also proceeded to break an entire case of red
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: stripe in my fridge on one of those who are
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: trying to teach me how to do speed bumps, and
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: we endowed into one up. Yeah, I had I spent
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: three hours cleaning the fridge out of glass and about
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: two gallons of red stripe after that. Just sad day,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: but I got over it. But one of the coolest highlights.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I totally I totally remember that. I mean we we
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: perfected it with heavy trail breaking, so it was just
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: like the last second of a turn monster breake application,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: so left foot breaking trail breaking, and the rear end
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: would lighten just enough and it would start to rotate
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and then I'm like, Paul, full gas and even roll
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: into full gas and it would just it would pitch
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: around the whole corner.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: And then right after we got that done, he goes
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: stop stop, stop, stop, stop, and I'm like, hit the brakes,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: what what what?
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: And he goes, that was so awesome.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: We were high fiving.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good time. That that was a
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: great day. That was really that was really a great day. Awesome.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: How can people find out more about you and about
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  Speaker 1: what you do?
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  Speaker 4: So? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Equipped one dot com is our website, Equipped Expedition Outfitters
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  Speaker 3: that has everything to do with our business and what
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  Speaker 3: we've got going on. You'll find all the vehicles that
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  Speaker 3: we have on there and a lot of the stories,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a Facebook page linked off of their Instagram
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  Speaker 3: off of there. My personal Facebook and Instagram are pretty
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  Speaker 3: darn boring. I'm kind of off the grid on that
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So if you want to find me,
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  Speaker 3: just look up Paul Maine. You'll see my ugly mug
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  Speaker 3: in there somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, X overl ended a nice piece on your
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  Speaker 1: truck not all that long ago, so I think you
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  Speaker 1: can find that on YouTube on your two hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Series in the shop is there there? That's Rae that
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  Speaker 3: they did up in their thing and we've been fortunate
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  Speaker 3: enough to work with them for a decade now. And
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  Speaker 3: I heard you mentioned the plaque that you got from. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they get one to us too, and it's in our shops.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: They're amazing, amazing people. For those that are listening to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, if you don't know about X Overland, make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you check them out on YouTube. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that they're also on Amazon.
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  Speaker 3: Amazon Prime Prime. Yeah, and they're they're running some of
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  Speaker 3: their their shows from a few years ago. We're Equipped
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  Speaker 3: was their first sponsor. We met them at one of
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  Speaker 3: your events out in California. Y yeah, very long, long
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  Speaker 3: time ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wonderful, wonderful people. So, any any other questions you've got,
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  Speaker 1: Matt or a man, Paul, No, Yeah, it's time for
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  Speaker 1: a beer.
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  Speaker 4: It's time for a beer. That's my question. My beer
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  Speaker 4: in my try. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And on that note, we thank you, We thank you
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  Speaker 1: all for listening, and we will talk to you next time.