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Joseph Mbah on Filmmaking, Industry Insights, and Indie Festival Highlights · The Scene Projects

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  Welcome in to Real Biz.
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  I am your host, Bubba Sartz.
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  And with me today from Paradox Universe, filmmaker Joseph Mumba.
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  Joseph, welcome to the show.
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  Thanks, man.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  It's absolutely my pleasure.
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  Big fan of your work, at least what I've seen of it.
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  I know I got probably some more research to do, but I think you're an amazingly talented
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  individual.
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  Really grateful to have you on the show today.
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  So before we get into all of that and, you know, the newest projects that you're working
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  on, just wanna give you the floor here for a minute and have you share with us a little bit
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  of your backstory.
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  Well, I'm a filmmaker.
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  I've been a filmmaker for fifteen years, and I'm just out here like everybody else trying to
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  figure it out.
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  I think the biggest misconception I had at the beginning is that the people who I looked up to
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  already has everything figured out, but the truth is we're all just out here trying to
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  figure it out, man.
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  So I'm trying to do the same thing.
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  And I think, especially in the film world, the people that you look up to, we we often don't
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  realize the, you know, five years that might have taken to make that movie.
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  Right?
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  Or you you we just see the final product, and we're kind of in awe of that.
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  And you don't see the trials and tribulations that that person went through, not just to make
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  that single film, but to to even be in a position to make that film.
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  So I I appreciate you being willing to kinda, you know, share that off the top because I
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  think that a lot of people who are familiar with your work and after this, you know, after
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  this episode will go out and get familiar, that it would be easy to say, oh my goodness.
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  Like, Joseph is so amazing.
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  He was probably born that way.
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  Nope.
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  I I am far from that.
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  I and I'll share two things.
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  The first thing I wanna say is, like, I just did a video where, so we have a new movie out,
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  and I know we're gonna get into it.
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  But, this is the first movie that I actually have that has, like, a Rotten Tomatoes page,
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  and this Rotten Tomatoes score is, like, a six out of 10.
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  And that is mind blowing to me.
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  And I did a video to just let people understand why I'm celebrating it so much is because I've
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  made now six films.
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  And across all the films, you can look at it, like, two out of ten, two out of ten, four out
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  of ten, three out of 10, and eventually, I
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  got a six out.
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  I'm like, a six?
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  I'm like, that is more than 50 per like, what?
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  Like so yeah.
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  No.
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  I I man, trust me, man.
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  I'm I'm I'm just like I said, I'm just out here trying to figure it out.
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  And and recently, also, I was watching an interview, a sixty minute interview with
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  Christopher Nolan, a bunch of other filmmakers who know who he is.
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  And, you know, he's like the top of the mountain for me.
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  Right?
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  He's like, man, if I can get there.
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  And to to learn I just learned recently that his first breakout feature film, no one wanted
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  it distributed.
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  Like, when other companies saw it, they thought it was a wacky, confusing film, and he and he
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  fought for that movie for, like, a whole year.
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  So I'm like, oh, I'm like, if Christopher Nolan has to deal with rejection and being told
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  you're bad, then who am I?
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  You know?
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  So yeah.
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  No.
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  Absolutely, man.
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  I'm just trying to figure it out.
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  And I think that that story, pretty ubiquitous.
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  Right?
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  Especially in the film world because it is very ingrained in its, you know, in its ways and
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  being the especially in the content world that we're all it's so crazy that it it's become
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  what it is now where really anyone with a cell phone, which is literally, you know,
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  6,000,000,000 people on the planet could become, you know, filmmakers or content
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  creators.
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  Right?
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  That film are still the top of that heap.
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  Right?
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  And even though movies aren't, grossing at the box office as they did when we were growing up,
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  Right?
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  These mega hits that are, you know, taking in hundreds of millions of dollars and billion
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  dollars on the opening of the, you know, opening weekends.
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  Even though the film industry isn't that anymore, that it is still the top heap of the
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  content that one can create.
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  Right?
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  That storytelling inside of film still has that.
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  A guy like Christopher Nolan, no doubt, has gone through plenty of people who were
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  established in that world before he got there that were like, oh, you're never going to make
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  it.
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  You're you don't even know what you're doing.
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  And then, it's because the the industry itself was not really made for pioneers.
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  Right?
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  And people had to come in and change it.
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  I would say even a Steven Spielberg who is on the Mount Rushmore of filmmakers, you know,
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  that he would he was not necessarily welcomed in with open arms.
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  I'm sure when they brought Jaws to the you know, that people aren't you know, they weren't
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  clamoring.
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  The establishment was like, this is never going to work.
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  What are you talking about?
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  Correct.
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  Yep.
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  No.
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  That that is, like, that is, like, the it is more common in the film business, that
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  filmmakers get told no first.
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  Get told no multiple times, and eventually then the filmmaker is like, well, I was right to
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  begin with, but you just didn't you you just didn't see what I saw.
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  So yeah.
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  No.
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  It just and the more I find out that the people I looked up to had to deal with the same thing
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  at various levels, the more I'm like, okay, man.
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  It's not that bad.
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  You could you could relax and just keep doing what you're doing.
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  You know?
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  You you you'll get there for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  Well and, I mean, so so many examples.
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  Like, every famous director, writer that you that we can think of, George Lucas and Scorsese
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  and all
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  of these guys were were all when they were trying to break in in the seventies, everyone
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  that was established in Hollywood is like, you're nuts.
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  You're What what is this what is this star's thing you're doing?
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  Stop it.
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  Stop stop it.
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  Star what?
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  Stop who?
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  It's never gonna work.
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  Get out of here.
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  That Nobody's gonna wanna watch that.
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  Like, wait.
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  You your shark isn't working?
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  You you stop stop that, freaking artist.
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  Oh, it it's such a great, but it's such a great, lesson for life.
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  Right?
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  That's what makes these stories so inspiring and and to be a fan, not just of the films, but
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  of the filmmakers themselves, that it it teaches us so much about life because they
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  never did stop.
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  And and it really is in life, you're going to have trials and tribulations that you're going
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  to fight, and there's gonna be so many roadblocks.
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  But if you stay the course and and I think it starts with a dream.
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  No doubt.
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  Mhmm.
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  That if you have a dream, you have to be willing to go through all of that.
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  And in many ways, you know, life or the universe or god or whatever you you, you know,
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  you want to quantify it as, right, and and label it as is going to challenge you to see
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  how much heart you have to make that dream a reality.
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  And the bigger the dream, the greater the challenge is.
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  Yes.
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  Absolutely.
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  I I 1000000000% believe in that because, like, it's if you have a dream that is, like, built
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  on quicksand, which means, like, you that dream is not deeply embedded in you.
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  Like, it's not something like, oh my god.
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  I have to do this thing.
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  I feel like your dream has to be strong enough to withstand the test of time.
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  And now what I I tell people, like, whenever I got asked, like, what didn't what was the thing
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  you didn't expect to happen?
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  I'm like, I just did not expect how long it would take me to get to where I just got.
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  Right?
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  Like, it it took me if you asked me at 17, I was like, yeah, man.
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  It was, you know, two years, three years.
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  You know, I'm gonna come in.
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  I'm gonna do my thing.
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  I put in work, and then, you know, I get discovered.
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  I actually remembered I was 19 years old, and I had the audacity to pick up the phone and call
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  Warner Brothers.
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  And I was like, hey, man.
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  I got this great idea, you know, and I'm trying to do this thing.
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  And the gentleman on the phone was so kind.
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  He was so nice to me, and he just heard he just stayed there and let me talk.
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  And when I was done, he's like, alright, kid.
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  I understand.
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  You're about fifteen years away from what you're telling me.
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  Please go back.
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  And and I
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  was like, man, you don't understand.
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  Watch me.
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  Two years.
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  I'll be back.
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  I'll be right back.
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  He was right.
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  Fifteen years, man.
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  Jesus.
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  So but your your dream have to be strong enough to withstand the the test of of time and the
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  and the because, honestly, like, the things like, for what I've learned as I've continued
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  to journey is that the things that happen that I at certain stages, I was like, man, this
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  thing is really bad.
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  It sucks that this thing is happening.
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  Why did this have to happen?
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  The more I've gone along, I have now come to appreciate the fact that those things happen
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  because they were happening for me, not against me because, like, they helped me become who I
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  am today.
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  Like, I wouldn't if I didn't deal with a, I wouldn't have the the the skills and the
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  capability to deal with b, c, and d.
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  You know?
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  So it that's just the way it is.
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  And and I'm I'm honestly, genuinely grateful for the journey for sure.
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  Yes.
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  We have to practice gratitude in all moments, right, not just for the positive things that
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  happen, but for what most people would look at as negative things because it is those moments
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  that have made us the unstoppable forces that we are today.
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  And and your story is no different than mine.
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  Two years ago, I had something inside of me.
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  And, honestly, I thought I was quitting my factory job to be a rock star, Joseph.
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  And p lizards of the show have heard me tell the story, but, I had a bunch of gigs booked,
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  and I had started the podcast just because having been on a few myself and being a podcast
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  fan, it was like, well, I could definitely do this.
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  And I have all these artists that are around me in the music world and comedy and and
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  filmmaking that I would love to have a conversation with them and then broadcast that
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  to the world.
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  That would be fun.
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  So what started out as fun as the, you know, the tours commenced during the summer and I was
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  away from home and staying up way too late, and, I was too damn old for it in my mid
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  thirties and didn't have the stomach for it, then it was like, I think I'm gonna go all in
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  on this podcasting thing.
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  Like, I'm having a really great time doing it.
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  I feel, I feel comfortable in that space, and not that I don't feel comfortable on stage, but
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  I just felt at home.
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  And there was something driving and pulling me in this direction.
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  And when I committed fully to the pull and just going with it and becoming better at my craft,
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  that things really started to accelerate.
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  And now I'm looking back and going, wow.
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  We've done, like, a thousand episodes in two years, and we've created so much more content
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  than I've ever thought possible.
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  I mean, beyond what we've done in house here, but, you know, broadcasting from the red
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  carpets of award shows.
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  And we were just with the sports network broadcasting a charity softball game featuring
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  players from the Minnesota Vikings.
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  And you're looking back and you're going, if I wouldn't have just committed at any point and
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  stayed committed, we would have never gotten these opportunities to go shake hands with guys
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  that are performing at the top of the heap in the one of the biggest businesses and sports
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  franchises in the entire planet.
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  Like, absolutely, man.
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  Like, that that shift, the turn, man, man, you're you're we're going into, different
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  pockets I don't really get to talk about too much.
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  It's like, one of the things that has been happening more and more again as as I continue
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  the journey is is being aware of the shifts.
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  They're like they're not huge.
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  Right?
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  They're not, like, huge, huge shifts, but they are, like, just shifts that's, like, nudging
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  you in the right direction.
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  And most of the time, it will feel almost like it's the wrong thing to do.
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  But, like, if you just kinda follow along, then it kinda positions you in a way where you're
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  like, oh, wow.
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  Oh.
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  Oh, I see.
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  That's where I'm supposed to be going.
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  And then when you go down that path and you commit, you're like, wow.
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  So, like, I I'm I'm right there with you, man.
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  Like, for for me, for example, like, okay.
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  I wanted to be, you know, a filmmaker.
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  That's the thing.
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  Right?
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  Be a filmmaker.
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  But, like, the idea of, like, doing, like, social media and doing content and getting in
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  front of people and doing like, that sounded to me like the the last thing you do after you
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  made a movie.
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  Like, you make a movie, then you go market it.
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  But, like, the more I was kinda positioning like, social media have changed my life in so
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  many different ways than I could have ever imagined.
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  Like, the people I've been able to to connect with and the relationship I'm able to build and
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  and the opportunities that come from it that then turn around is helping the filmmaking has
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  been a game changer for me.
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  But, honestly, if you ask me just like you, like, two twenty four months ago, I would have
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  been like, no, man.
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  Just oh, I I make movies.
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  That's all I do.
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  Like, I I know.
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  Yeah.
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  Like you know?
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  But, yeah, seriously, just the shifts in life, man, they're they're really again, they work
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  for you for sure.
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  Well and there's a a mental preparation, I think, that, that bring awareness to that.
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  Right?
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  So it's kind of having all of those stressors that we that we talked about a few minutes ago,
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  those tribulations that you go through that mentally prepare you to be able to see when
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  those shifts are coming a little more clearly.
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  And then as we get older and we have more experience, we're able to identify them almost
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  before they're coming.
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  We're able to kind of forecast things that are happening and to go, hey.
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  This is going to be get this and this is going to be get this.
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  So I need to be prepared to start making that shift ahead of time.
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  And, because these, you know, battleships and aircraft carriers that are our lives don't turn
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  on a dime.
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  It no.
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  They don't.
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  They don't.
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  And then especially when, you know, when you when you turn around and you realize, oh, wow.
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  When I was in my early twenties, I could I could easily just get in my truck and, you
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  know, and take a quick drive and hop and go go to California, go do that, go meet together.
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  Like, now in my thirties, I'm like, yeah.
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  No.
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  I can't do that.
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  I have a wife, and then eventually, you're gonna have kids.
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  And, oh, crap.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  No.
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  I can't I can't just hop around.
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  So then but I have to still be strategic and nimble enough to take opportunities as they
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  come, but it comes with being aware so that you could see you coming before it comes so you can
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  prepare yourself and everyone else around you for what might be coming.
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  Yeah, man.
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  Absolutely.
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  Joseph, I'd love to dig into your, you know, your your filmmaking process a little bit,
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  because I know you're kind of writing, directing.
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  You're doing all things.
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  Right?
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  Mhmm.
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  So where does it begin with you?
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  Is it a spark of inspiration, and the story kinda comes in an instant usually, or or is it
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  sometimes, like, it's just, like, you get the the first page and then it evolves from there?
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  Like, I'm curious because, like, in the songwriting world for me, and I know you're a
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  musician as well, so that we could talk about that too.
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  But, like, for me, most of the songs I've ever written in my life have just been done.
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  Right?
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  Like, it was a single stroke of inspiration.
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  It was done.
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  But, an hour long film, you know, hour plus long film is a different animal than a three
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  minute song.
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  So I'm just curious about that process, and I know it I'm sure it's different, you know, with
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  every project.
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  But is there some some, you know, something that are typical in your process?
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  Yeah.
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  I I would say the thing that is most consistent is that initial idea that won't let go.
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  Right?
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  It is it is an idea that, like, almost, like, grabs me mentally and says, hey.
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  I'm here, and you need to pay attention to me.
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  Like so for example so and and the the movies that I end up falling in love with and doing
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  are those ones that is like, hey.
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  This is an idea, and you have to you gotta do something about this.
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  You know?
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  I'm gonna keep knocking around in your head.
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  So I and it happened again, like, two two days ago.
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  I was just I watched something, and then I was out and about, and I was, like, thinking about
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  life.
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  And then all of a sudden, it just kinda hits me.
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  Right?
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  And then before you know it, the the concept of the film is like, hey.
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  This is what I am.
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  And then from there, once I get what the concept is, what tends to happen is, like, then
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  the beginning and, like, the middle and the end or maybe the beginning and the end of the
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  movie, like, comes to me.
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  I'm like, okay.
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  I know this is how the movie starts.
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  And then if I do everything right, this is how the movie's gonna end.
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  Then then then it becomes a journey of, okay.
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  So then what do we do with the
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  rest of this?
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  Like, that that is the challenge.
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  Like, so,
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  like, my like, I can I can call out to all my movies?
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  And what has happened is that I naturally speaking, I'm I'm a director.
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  That that is where my talent lies.
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  Like, I I have that idea, and I have the beginning.
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  And so what I used to try to do is like, okay.
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  Let me take this idea and go give it to another writer and so they could help me bring it to
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  life.
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  As time went on, I realized that, oh, man.
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  No.
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  I have to be the person to give birth to this story in its entirety because there is so much
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  nuances in the story that I just cannot fully articulate.
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  I have to write it down.
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  So then I had to, like, learn how to be a writer, and then that took time, and it's still
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  taking time.
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  So what has happened is, like so as once I have the beginning, I write it down.
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  It's like and it will run me, like, page one to, like, 15, and then that's all I have.
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  Then I would just jump to the very end, and I'll write the very end.
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  And then I would just sit there for months and look at that story.
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  I'm like, okay.
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  So where do we go from here?
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  And, you know, that's just that's my process.
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  And then if if, like, so I had a I had an opportunity.
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  I think my fourth film where I was approached by a distributor who had financing, who was
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  like, hey.
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  We need to make this movie.
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  Here's the idea.
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  Here's the concept, and we need it delivered by x amount of time.
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  So that kinda put a crunch time on me, and then I just had to force myself to get through it.
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  But, you know, it's not my best work because I didn't follow my process.
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  But if if I can whenever I've been able to follow through my process, the early idea and
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  then the procrastination that happens in between, I usually come up
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  I usually come up with something that that is you know,
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  that's something I would, you know, be proud of.
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  So Yeah.
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  Well, that that procrastination period as you put it, that's like the time that the cake is
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  in the oven.
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  Right?
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  There's a lot of excitement when you're putting all the ingredients in the bowl, and then we
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  all know what it's like to eat a birthday cake.
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  But that time where it's just sitting there and you really can't see much happening, but what's
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  happening is what makes it good at the end.
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  Right?
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  And that that may be a little bit too simple of an analogy.
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  I that's a great analogy.
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  It's great.
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  Yeah.
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  But as someone now who is, you know, starting to dabble and I wouldn't necessarily say it's
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  film because I'm just, you know, really swimming in the unscripted content side.
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  I love doing interviews.
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  I love telling but it's telling stories.
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  The stories just happen to be real.
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  Right?
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  And and the documentary style things are are what it is.
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  So while I'm not making pieces of fiction that are telling a story that was made up, you know,
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  with whatever bits of truth may be in it about fictional characters, we we're still trying to
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  pull those real stories out, which in in some cases, I think may be even harder to do because
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  you have to get it right.
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  You know?
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  You you can't fudge the the, you know, the facts along the edges.
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  I I man, I commend you and anyone who who does, like, documentaries or anything that has to do
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  with, like, real life stories because that's like to me to me, it's like being on stage or
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  being a stage actor.
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  Like, I have nowhere to hide.
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  Like like, you you have to tell the truth.
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  You can't just like, oh, man.
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  Alright.
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  Well, this is not working, hey.
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  But what if we went here?
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  You know?
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  Like, you might have, like, what if we went here while I would have, like, what if I went
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  here, here, maybe here, and here, and maybe we can come through here, then we could patch it
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  up.
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  Like but you guys are like, no.
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  Like so, man, hats off to you and anyone in your in your realm.
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  That it's it's incredible what you guys are able to do and to be able to tell a story that
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  captivates an audience, and that's huge, man.
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  That's that's huge for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  I appreciate that.
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  Joseph, what do you got coming up here, you know, over the course of the next twelve months
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  or so that we can look forward to seeing?
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  I have a film out right now called Whispers Bind.
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  It is a psychological horror starring my wife, Amber Mba, and me as her love interest directed
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  by me and written by both of us.
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  It was like, this film was, like, my best filmmaking experience because it was like a
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  family fun project.
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  You know?
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  It was just me, my wife, my friends, and our collaborators working out of my house and other
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  locations, and we just made a movie that we're very happy with and proud of.
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  And and so, yeah, it's called Whispers Buying.
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  You know, look up the trailer, check it out, and see if it's for you, and, you know, go go
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  give it a watch.
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  It's currently out on Roku and Fossum, and soon it will be Tubi and other platforms.
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  But beyond that, I am writing a movie I've been writing since 2020.
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  Procrastination.
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  Yeah.
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  I've been writing this movie since since 2020.
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  Like, in 2020, I had that same thing.
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  I had the beginning and the end.
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  And then I I've I'm on page 70, and the movie needs to be it's like the story just keeps
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  going.
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  So it's gonna be about a 100 and something pages long.
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  And, but it's an action packed, very much like the like the kind of movie I've been trying to
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  make for all these years.
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  It's, like, gonna be a culmination of everything I've learned so far.
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  So it's gonna be an exciting one.
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  So those, you know so Whisper's Bun, I'll go check it out, and then look out for my next
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  action movie.
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  I'm not I'm not gonna drop the title just yet.
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  So but that's it.
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  Yep.
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  Awesome.
• 23:43
  Well, Joseph, I I appreciate you coming on the show with me today and, sharing a little bit of
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  your process.
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  I'm sure this won't be the last time we'll be chatting, by any means.
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  I look forward to hopefully getting a chance to work with you on some films in the future and
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  whether that's you helping me direct some, documentary style stuff or maybe me getting to
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  star in one of your feature length films one day even though I have no aspirations to be an
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  actor.
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  You never know when the idea might hit you that you're like, no.
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  It's just it's about him, and you just have to kinda play yourself with a different name.
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  That I could probably accomplish.
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  Yes, man.
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  I I'm I'm so happy that you're open to to the possibility of of the variety of collaboration
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  that can happen.
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  And I that's one of the thing that I love about our industry is that when you step in and you
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  meet like minded people, you just gotta kinda let the magic happen.
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  So I'm I'm excited, and I'm looking forward to it, man, for sure.
• 24:42
  Joseph Imbah, thank you so much for for spending some time with me here today, and
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  thank you for being part of the scene.
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  Thank you so much.