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240: Sister Wives Rewind - Polygamist Marriage Therapy (S6 E10) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Now, before we get into this rewind recap, there was
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  Speaker 1: some news, yes that was dropped today about Coyote Pass honey,
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  Speaker 1: why don't you tell the people about it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, apparently all of the plots on Coyote Pass have
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  Speaker 2: sold wow, which is crazy. Yeah, and you would drop
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  Speaker 2: this in our chat and I didn't even see this.
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  Speaker 2: But apparently it was sold to a couple, yes, but
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't say who it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is not Robin and Cody, though, thank god,
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  Speaker 1: it is some other couple. I think that one of
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  Speaker 1: them is an actual broker, so there may be an
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  Speaker 1: intent to develop this land, which I know Cody wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do, but of course he didn't do because he
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  Speaker 1: never follows through of course, not with anything. But it
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  Speaker 1: is a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently they profited total all four plots being sold,
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  Speaker 2: they profited six hundred and ten thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, because they purchased all of the plots on Coyote
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  Speaker 1: Pass for I think a total of like eight hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty thousand dollars. With the sale of these four
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  Speaker 1: plots in the year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's like a one point five million dollars sale.
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  Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's like a six hundred and ten
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars profit or something like that, which means each
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  Speaker 1: individual gets. I can't do mass.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty two thousand allegedly right if they
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  Speaker 2: split it evenly.
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  Speaker 1: Which I think they will, I think according to the
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  Speaker 1: ownership records, they'll have to hope. So, but like then
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  Speaker 1: Mary and Janelle are going to have to pay their attorneys.
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  Speaker 1: I assume Cody and Robin also had to acquire attorneys
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  Speaker 1: and will have to pay that. They'll have to pay
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  Speaker 1: like taxes. I know, like when you sell your home
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  Speaker 1: you have to pay capital gains taxes or you have
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  Speaker 1: to roll it over into the next purchase. And so
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  Speaker 1: because Cody and Robin have already purchased their new McMansion,
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  Speaker 1: I think that means they're going to have to be
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  Speaker 1: taxed on the sale of this property.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god.
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  Speaker 1: And it also doesn't take into consideration the amount of
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  Speaker 1: taxes they were paying each year that they held this land,
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  Speaker 1: which I would assume came out of the family LLC.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Nikki Haverstock reported that it was like
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  Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen thousand dollars a year in property taxes.
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  Speaker 2: That cannot be I mean that is a ton well
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  Speaker 2: for all of that land. Yeah, I guess, I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot. Yeah, so it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: And I think they've had it for like nine years
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  Speaker 1: something eight eight years. They've had it for quite some time,
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  Speaker 1: so like if it's it's a round up to twenty thousand,
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  Speaker 1: and they've had it for eight or nine year, like,
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  Speaker 1: they've paid a lot out just in the property taxes.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm wondering how much profit they actually make.
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  Speaker 1: But at least Mary and Janelle are getting something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like it's officially done. So thank god
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  Speaker 2: we don't have to hear about Coyote Pass next season.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so over but of course we are.
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  Speaker 2: Well ask my question too, do we think that they're
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  Speaker 2: going to wrap up this sale of Coyote Pass in
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  Speaker 2: these final five or whatever episodes of season nineteen or
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  Speaker 2: are we going to have to address the whole dang
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  Speaker 2: thing in season twenty. That's what I'm worried about. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if we don't wrap it up this season, we probably
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  Speaker 2: will talk about it next season. I just hope that
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  Speaker 2: it's not for the tire season twenty because if it's
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  Speaker 2: literally all of this like back and forth then lawsuits
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  Speaker 2: and all this stuff, I mean, yeah, it's interesting, but
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  Speaker 2: like it's annoying to get it a year or two
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  Speaker 2: later after it already happened. It'd be nice to wrap
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  Speaker 2: a bow on and now and get it done with.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll talk about it and then tell nothing. M hmm, doubt.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt it, because, like the sales were final yesterday
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  Speaker 1: or today, and I don't know, if you've got an
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  Speaker 1: outsider who's purchasing the property, whether they would be willing
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  Speaker 1: to time the drop of that sale or the announcement
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  Speaker 1: of that sale, like perfectly with the release of the
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  Speaker 1: second half of this season. It feels like this is
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  Speaker 1: about around the time when they actually did sell the
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  Speaker 1: property and close on it, right, So I honestly think
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get it in season twenty. I think we're
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  Speaker 1: also going to get to Ada Farms. I think we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get Christine in her second Airbnb, and I hope
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  Speaker 1: we'll get some of the lawsuits stuff and the book
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  Speaker 1: stuff from Christine. But we're I think we're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: with Coyote Pass for quite some time.
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  Speaker 2: So tired of hearing about it. Fortunately well, speaking of
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  Speaker 2: Tata Farms, apparently Madison I think posted on Instagram today,
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  Speaker 2: I guess they're having problems with permitting with the farm
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  Speaker 2: and like starting a garden, so her and her husband
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  Speaker 2: have to like do their garden in their backyard at
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  Speaker 2: their house because they can't do anything with Tayata Farms
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  Speaker 2: because of permitting issues. And I'm just like, so you
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  Speaker 2: bought all of this property and then like didn't know
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  Speaker 2: about the permitting issues, Like, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, why wouldn't you have checked that out before you
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  Speaker 1: purchase this particular property. Maybe it's just like a regulation
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  Speaker 1: that there's something that they have to go through and
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  Speaker 1: it's just going to take some time and then they
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  Speaker 1: will get it. Are you saying that they're never going
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  Speaker 1: to get the permits?
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  Speaker 2: Well no, Allegedly she commented to somebody and said that
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  Speaker 2: they knew that they were going to have to get permits,
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  Speaker 2: which is fine, but they just didn't know it was
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  Speaker 2: going to take this long and be this complicated. So,
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  Speaker 2: in true Brown fashion, not thinking anything through, barreling in
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  Speaker 2: and just going in head first with no knowledge into
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  Speaker 2: this and it's a little bit difficult. So I hope
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  Speaker 2: that they get it all figured out, because that would
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  Speaker 2: be really terrible, terrible if they bought all of this
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  Speaker 2: acreage and bought this whole farm and they can't develop
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  Speaker 2: it and they can't do anything with it that would
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  Speaker 2: be wild. But they're literally tearing up their whole backyard
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  Speaker 2: and turning it into a tree farm, and like.
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  Speaker 1: And Maddie's home, their little colonial house, their little acreage there,
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  Speaker 1: they're making it a huge taking it into a tree farm.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, or like a garden. I don't know, God,
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  Speaker 2: but they like plowed the entire thing, removed all of
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  Speaker 2: the grass, which I mean is cool. But I'm like, wow, okay, wow,
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  Speaker 2: I did not know that.
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  Speaker 1: That's very interesting as well. You've got your raccoon finger
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  Speaker 1: on the pulse, Thank you, honey. Awesome? All right, is
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  Speaker 1: there anything else that we need to discuss before we
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  Speaker 1: get into the rewind recab?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. This episode was lit this week.
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  Speaker 1: There was so much here. We were eating the trash
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  Speaker 1: and it was good. So again we are on season six.
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  Speaker 1: I think this was episode ten.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, entitle polygamist marriage therapy.
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  Speaker 1: We meet Nancy the therapist, We go to Sajonah. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: this little thing with Leon and going to Westminster, which
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  Speaker 1: we'll also talk about. But yeah, the whole thing was
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  Speaker 1: very revealing and I can't wait to get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Start us up, bitch.
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  Speaker 2: As it was juicy. We got right into it with
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  Speaker 2: like a little bit of a counseling session with Nancy
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  Speaker 2: right off the bat. It's kind of like their first
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  Speaker 2: interaction with her because they used to have a therapist
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  Speaker 2: in Utah named Pat that they saw for like five
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  Speaker 2: years and she was really great apparently, but now that
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  Speaker 2: they're in Nevada, they can't see Pat because she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: practice in Nevada. So Pat found Nancy for the Browns,
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  Speaker 2: but she's never worked with a polygamist family before, shocker.
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  Speaker 1: Which makes Robin very suspicious. So she doesn't very she
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  Speaker 1: feels unsafe, Veryancy, you don't know because we're polygamists here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, she's a little nervous about it.
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  Speaker 2: That was so annoying this whole episode. Yeah, for talking
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  Speaker 2: about how she can't trust the therapists because they don't
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  Speaker 2: know polygamy, I'm like, you barely know polygamy.
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  Speaker 1: Right, You've only been living polygamy here for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, even though I guess your mom was a mistress.
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  Speaker 2: Or something exactly. Like.
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  Speaker 1: She's also so judgmental of this monogamist therapist who I
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  Speaker 1: feel is showing up in good faith and really wants
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  Speaker 1: to help the family. Yeah, and she's just like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can trust her. She's got
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  Speaker 1: a long way to go to earn my trust. I'm like, okay, Robin,
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  Speaker 1: but you expect everybody at the expos though to accept
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  Speaker 1: you and to be okay with your lifestyle, but you
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  Speaker 1: have such a hard time with Nancy's. Make it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: It's because Nancy is a therapist and would actually dive
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  Speaker 2: into the root issues of everybody in the family, and
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  Speaker 2: Robin doesn't want that exposed. No, because she's the issue.
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  Speaker 2: She's the problem. But it's interesting because they open the
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  Speaker 2: episode talking about like how a lot of polygnist families
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  Speaker 2: don't actually seek therapy because they're worried about the therapists
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  Speaker 2: pointing to polygamy as the issue and the root cause
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  Speaker 2: of all the family's dysfunction, which it's like, it is, yeah, objectively,
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  Speaker 2: it is. But they saw Pat for many years. They
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  Speaker 2: really liked her. She helped a lot with the family apparently,
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  Speaker 2: And so now they're starting things with Nancy, and Nancy
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  Speaker 2: starts off with a personality test.
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  Speaker 1: Well, before we get there, it does sound like when
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  Speaker 1: Mary is providing context around Pat, that it was Cody
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  Speaker 1: and Mary together that originally went to Pat for therapies
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  Speaker 1: that they could learn how to communicate with one another
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  Speaker 1: because they were having issues in their particular union. And
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  Speaker 1: then at some point it sounds like, I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: inferring that they then started to bring in Christine and
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  Speaker 1: Janelle and the whole family unit, but it was Mary
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  Speaker 1: and Godi that went in with the initial issue.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the subtext was. It was very interesting. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't really talk about that, but we're sniffing there, yes,
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  Speaker 2: for sure. And then they also, like Cody mentions how
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  Speaker 2: a lot of therapists are feminists and how feminists don't
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  Speaker 2: like their.
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  Speaker 1: Lifestyle because it exploits and abuses women. Hello, yeah, that's why.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So he's a little concerned about that. But back to
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  Speaker 1: the personality test, and like, the only thing I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: about as I'm watching this is how Robin said last
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  Speaker 1: season or whenever it was, that she never took a
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  Speaker 1: personality test, and if somebody took a personality test, they
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  Speaker 1: did it on her behalf without her permission. And here
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  Speaker 1: we have her in season six in the therapy session, yep,
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  Speaker 1: with her own pad of paper and pen, taking that
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  Speaker 1: damn personality I know, and.
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  Speaker 2: Literally reading aloud some of the questions on the personality
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  Speaker 2: test with everybody else in the room, like it's documented, Robin,
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  Speaker 2: you alaijah. And then Cody says something really interesting here,
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  Speaker 2: and he echoes this throughout the episode where he talks
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  Speaker 2: about his worries with Nancy and how he's worried that
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  Speaker 2: Nancy will say that he's the only one that has
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  Speaker 2: to self improve and none of these other wives need
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  Speaker 2: to do anything to improve themselves. He's worried that he'll
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  Speaker 2: have to do all of the work or he'll be
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  Speaker 2: pointed out.
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  Speaker 1: To do, well, what did you think of that?
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  Speaker 2: M That was total narc behavior, because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: he probably was called out in other therapy sessions. But
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  Speaker 2: then he like works this around in his mind, thinking like, well,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not just me though, it's everybody else, and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's true on its surface, like, yeah, it does take
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  Speaker 2: two to tango, it's not just Cody. Like the wives
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  Speaker 2: do have to kind of sure give their effort, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like in Cody's brain, he's interpreting that
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  Speaker 2: as like I don't have to improve.
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  Speaker 1: Though yeah, it did come across that way, but to me,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of felt like this was him mask off
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  Speaker 1: saying something like, I don't want to do all of
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  Speaker 1: this work. I'm getting super tired of having to manage
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  Speaker 1: all of these wives and all of their petty relationships
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  Speaker 1: and how they cannot get along with each other. They
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  Speaker 1: all come to me. They expect me to be the
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  Speaker 1: middle person to mediate their issues, and I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to do that anymore. I'm getting tired, which is exactly
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  Speaker 1: what he's saying. Honestly. Oh yeah, in season sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: and nineteen, he's over it. He's done with it. But
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  Speaker 1: we can take it all the way back to season
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  Speaker 1: six because previous to this, when they're getting into the
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: call to Sacks and when they're renting the homes and
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  Speaker 1: they're in LEI, we don't really hear him say this.
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  Speaker 1: He seems more than happy to try and manage his relationships.
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  Speaker 1: But something has happened, is what I think I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to get to. Like the way Mary is so close
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  Speaker 1: to tears throughout the entire episode, the way that Robin
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  Speaker 1: is showing up kind of angry and super protective and
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  Speaker 1: shielding Cody from any criticism. I'm like, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 1: But I think there's some fighting that's taking place between
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  Speaker 1: Mary and Robin and Janelle and Christina. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: how that's happening, but something is happening. Did you get
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  Speaker 1: that vibe too?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Totally, And I totally got the vibe that Cody
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  Speaker 2: was like getting tired of having to manage all of
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  Speaker 2: this and getting tired of having to be the common
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  Speaker 2: denominator and even talks about that later in the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Will get there when we have everybody positioned in the
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  Speaker 2: orbit of Cody. But yeah, it was really interesting to
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  Speaker 2: kind of hear him talk about this, like he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to have to manage the relationships. He doesn't want
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  Speaker 2: to have to do all of the emotional heavy lifting
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  Speaker 2: because he feels like he has to do all of
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  Speaker 2: that in the family, which I'm just like, dude, you
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  Speaker 2: can't have it both ways. Like it's crazy how he's
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  Speaker 2: saying all this in season six and then in season sixteen, seventeen,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen, he's like bitching about having to be the
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  Speaker 2: patriarch and like needing control, and how they don't let
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  Speaker 2: him have control. So it's like, what do you want.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to be the patriarch or the family.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want everybody to obey you? Or do you
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  Speaker 2: not want to have to do all at work? Just
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  Speaker 2: step back and let the women fight each other and
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  Speaker 2: deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like there's a portion of what
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  Speaker 1: he is saying that is valid. I feel like there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of infighting with the women, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that he doesn't know how to mediate that, he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know how to control that, and he's just getting tired
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  Speaker 1: of it because nothing that he's trying is working. I think,
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  Speaker 1: from my intuition that a lot of this stems around
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  Speaker 1: Mary and Mary's fundamental inability to communicate in a way
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  Speaker 1: that is not brutal, which we'll get back to when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the personality test, because in it, it
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  Speaker 1: is revealed that she is a truth teller and it's
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  Speaker 1: very important to her that they operate in truth, but
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  Speaker 1: that she may have a shadow aspect that causes her
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  Speaker 1: to speak the truth in a way that is unkind
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  Speaker 1: and maybe even ostracizing and isolating to others, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is very true. Of Mary, and also, by the way, Leon,
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  Speaker 1: I think they both share that personality trait, And so
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  Speaker 1: I think Cody has spent at this point twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years trying to figure out Mary's emotional compass and
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  Speaker 1: trying to sift through her communication to find what she's
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  Speaker 1: really trying to say underneath all the bluster and potential
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: abuse that comes along with her communication. And I think Mary,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: at this point this is just what I'm picking up,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: has hurt a lot of this feedback, which is why
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: we have a Mary at this point who's constantly walls up.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is stupid, right.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's safe for me to actually
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: tell you how I feel. And I struggle a lot,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: And she even says I struggle a lot figuring out
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: how to say the thing in a way that's not
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: going to offend somebody else, which means she's been offending people.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But she's also like in a family of
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: people who don't want to tell the truth, Like people
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: who don't say how they really feel, don't actually share
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: their real opinions, like most of the time it's passive
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: aggressive crab. Like even Cody doesn't know how to communicate,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and he talks about that in therapy. He's like, Yeah,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I struggle with communication. I need to improve on that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: So I kind of feel for Mary a little bit
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: in this episode of like being somebody who is prone
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: to wanting to tell the truth but like can't seem
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to ever get it out in a way where somebody
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: isn't offended. And then she has all of these relationship
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: ships and personalities that she has to contend with, like
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: maybe she says something in a way that offends Janelle
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: but is receptive to Christine like vice versa, and then
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: dealing with Cody on top of that. So I don't know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: there's like too many personalities at play here. It was
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: interesting that in the personality test we only got to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: hear Mary's results, right, would have loved to hear everybody
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: else's from me as well? Yeah, that would have been
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: very interesting. Yes, But before we get to the results
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: of that and the rest of the therapy, we have
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: this like one little section with Leon and talking about
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: college because they really want to go to Westminster. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Dream College and U and LV is not an option
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: for that. Only Westminster, which is like a super expensive
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: schools out of state the family's broke af and can't
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: really afford to send Leon to Westminster. But Leon got
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a couple of scholarships, so they're gonna go.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: For only like ten dollars a year. And I think
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: as of twenty twenty four, according to Nikki Haverstock, one
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: year at Westminster was like fifty thousand dollars a year,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. For four years, you're talking two hundred
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I don't know if they continued to get
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: scholarships or how that's going to work out. I do
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: know that here in season nineteen, we have Mary saying
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that it was actually her that ends up paying for
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Leon's tuition, and it sounds like Mary pays the totality
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of that tuition, so it doesn't seem like the family
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: comes out of their pocket at all for Leon, which
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: was very interesting. And when Mary is talking to Cody
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and Leon is off at the side, Mary says a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: couple of very interesting things. First and foremost, it's like, well, Cody,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you're not around like Leon and I have been trying
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to workshop this. We've been looking for scholarships, we've been
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: talking about loans, but you're never here, So you are
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you haven't been privy to these conversations, so you don't
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: know what's possible because we don't ever see you. That
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: was the first thing that I thought was really very interesting.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: The second thing was Mary says that she doesn't even
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: know how much the family is paying for a Logan
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to go to UNLV. Yeah, like they haven't actually sat
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: down at that big Mormon conference table where they have
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: their sister wives my sister wife's closet design discussions. They
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: haven't actually sat down at that table to talk about
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: how much they're going to have to put towards Logan's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: four year college education. And we also have asked been
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: coming up going to school. We have mchelthe talking about
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: going to design school. Yeah, but a lot of these
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: kids going off to college, and y'all haven't sat down
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and had the conversation. But how much the family is
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: going to be contributing. That was just so strange to me.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: That was so bizarre, and I'm just like, Mary, why
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: don't you figure it out? Like you can literally go
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: talk to Janelle who's the family accountant, and you can
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: look at what is being allocated for Logan's college and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like how that's going about. But like, no, nobody talks
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to each other, nobody communicates anything. And even Mary is
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: having these conversations with out Cody there talking to Leon
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and saying, yeah, I really want you to go to Westminster.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: So she's not really getting approval or any kind of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: input from Cody, which I can only imagine makes him
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: feel like he's not really a part of their family.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And granted, like that's also on Cody too, I'm not
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: copying for him. It's just interesting how you're already seeing
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: this breakdown in communication and breakdown in family dynamics where
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like Cody's just not involved, and like Cody is trying
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to have a realistic conversation with Mary and Leon being like, yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if having a second job through school,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Leon is going to be a realistic thing for you,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: because you need to study. You're going to school for
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: pre medicine, and like it's also not going to make
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a dent in this fifty thousand dollars a year tuition
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and with your loans and everything, like, I just don't
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be enough. And you know, our
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: finances are tight because we just spend all of this
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: money on this cul de sac and all of this crap, like,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think we can really afford this is basically
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: what he's trying to say. And Mary's like, well, so
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I want to do everything that we can to get
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Leon to go to Westminster.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, And Leon's like, well, this is my only option,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm not compromising at all.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So spoiled, very very very so fucking spoiled.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I was resenting that quite a bit. And I could
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: actually have like some sympathy for Cody's position here. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I don't want to take out a bunch of loans,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you know, for one hundred and twenty or one hundred
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars for your four year education at
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the time in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen or whatever it was,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: because I want to have a retirement. I've got seventeen
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: other kids that I've got to support. It's not just
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: about you. But of course, the way that Mary has
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: raised Leon, it's like Leon does not have an expectation
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that they cannot get exactly what it is that they
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: want exactly.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And that's what's so crazy, because in such a giant
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: family you have Leon who's so spoiled, in my opinion,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like such a spoiled little brat, Like they get literally
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: whatever they want all the time, and it's because Mary
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: allows that. Like when I was growing up, I had
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: three sisters and two of them were older than me,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and so they got the best things first, and I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: got the scraps basically. But like one of my oldest
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: stepsisters got to go to college, got to study abroad
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and friends of all places, and so my stepdad ended
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: up having to take all of these loans out and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: he was kind of bitter about that because my sis
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: sister flunked in France and so having an extra year,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: so a lot of student loans because of my stepsister,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So she kind of ruined it for the rest of us.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So when I got to college age, I'm like, I
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: want to go study abroad, and like I was a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: good student, I would have aiced it, but I'm like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I want to go study in Greece or something. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: my stepdad was like, no, You're going to go to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: community college. And you know, granted, I'm thankful for that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: because I have no student loans, Like a community college
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: was so affordable. I have my associate's degree and no debt,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: thank god, and it's great. So I'm very happy about that,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: But that was the conversation that we had because my
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: stepsister already took out of those loans and made all
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: those mistakes. So like the fact that Leon gets to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: go to Westminster after the family is like totally tight
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: with money, and like Mary ends up taking out all
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of that debt on herself. I wonder if she still
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: has those student loans or if she was able to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: pay any of them off. But if she's still paying
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: off the loans for Leon and Leon doesn't have to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: take any of that, I'm just like, wow.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: And was Leon ever pre med?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Because oh, I don't think so.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: They're speaking about it like it now in season six
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that they're going to be pre med. But I think
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Leon ends up like as a LCSW.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I think so social work.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's what's I don't know, how are you
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: going to be able to pay back two hundred thousand
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: dollars in university loans as a social worker? But like
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they probably don't have to worry about it when they've
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: got Mary exactly, the mother that's doing the lu lauau
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: making all this money. That's probably why Mary got into
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: like multiple MLMs, the way that she did, because she's
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: got a fun leon, she's got her budget. But Cody
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: was really quick to tell her to come out of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that budget and pay for all of this yourself, which
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: is crazy. Yeah, I'm like, I really really wish there
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: was some transparency at this time in the process, so
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: we would know how much Logan is receiving from the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: family LLC and how much Janelle is actually taking out
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of her grocery fund so she can send Logan off
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to school and then Maddie and how this all works.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: But we don't know.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: No, we'll never know.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm shocked that Mary doesn't know either. I know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: that's wild to me, and she has no idea how
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: much Logan is receiving from the family.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you were in your forties, you should be
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: aware of like what's happening. But because of the way
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: they like structure their family and how the women are
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: all independent, which is great, like nobody really shares their
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: own financial situation with each other, but then you have
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the family pot like it's so messy. Yes, it's so awful.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And then at the end of this conversation, Cody gets
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: up and leaves, doesn't hug Mary, doesn't hugly On doesn't
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: even say I love you.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, I gotta go by kind of slams
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the door.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I think he's frustrated. He has been kept out of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of these discussions, but at the same time,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: he hasn't made the effort to come on over and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: have those discussions. So now you really don't have any power, Cody,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to tell these two people what they need to do
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: in order to send le On to college. So just
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: get on.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Like if you back to Robinson, Yeah, if you were
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: more present, then you would not be upset, but you're
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: not privy to any of the conversations because you're at Robins. Right.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It's great exactly.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And then we have Cody very excited but also very
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: nervous to give out his beautiful jewelry designs that he
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: made for each one.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: My god, I can't wait to talk about this.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: God, it was so cringe.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It wants to give them out before they actually make
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: their track to Sedona and dig deep into the marriage counseling.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: So he wants to give his wives these gifts that
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: he loosely designed, but then somebody else had to do
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the rest of the design and actually create and manufacture
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: this for him. So he takes these gift bags over
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and we go through the presentation process. Mary gets her
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: necklace first, of course, the Fidelis necklace, which was going
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to be a dog. Apparently it was going to be
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a golden retriever. That's what Cody's original idea was.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she seems to like it. Yeah, everyone seems to
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Then we get Janelle and her tree, her bumb ass tree,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: but she loves it, she seems to respond to it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And then we get the ft up Phoenix for Robin.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It is so ugly, it's so bad, it's truly the worst,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and she loves it, fake loves it. And then we
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: get to Christine.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, she couldn't even fake it. She's like, yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: it's nice.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: She had a hook face, as we say in Hawaii.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: She couldn't even put a smile on her face. She
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was not grateful, she was not nice about it. It
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: was really immature and very rude. I mean, my husband,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I've been with him for many, many years. He has
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: gotten me a ton of gifts like that first Christmas
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: we talked about, honey, where all he got me were
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Tibetan singing balls, and I had like seven presents under
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the tree. They were all singing bulls attuned to the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: chakra system. And I'm just like, Okay, that's great and all.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But it was it my favorite gift? No, absolutely not.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: But was I grateful? Sure, yes it was. Oh by
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the seventh.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: One, yes, I kind of upset.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: This isn't another singing bowl, is it?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And that was all? You got it all?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And when I tell you, I went to town on
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: their Christmas, oh my god, and his in particular. I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: got him an Xbox one. I got him like a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: couple of really nice guns. I got him other electronics.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I got him like a crossbow and a flamethrower. Like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: when I tell you, I got this man everything he
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: could have dreamed of and more. And I just sat
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: there with my singing bowls. But I at least had
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the decency to put a smile on my face. It
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: was our first Christmas together. He didn't know how to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: be with the person really, yeah, and so he had
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a lot to learn. But I was nice about it. Yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Christine couldn't even smile. I felt she was so rude.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Totally I agree, and like, at the same time, I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: also understand why she didn't like it because it was
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: so ugly. It was us were awful, But like, I
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: think this was a reaction to like their marriage. Like
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I think she looked at this necklace and was like, Wow,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: this man doesn't even know me, Like everybody else maybe
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: had things that were like symbolic of their love and stuff,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: like even Robin's, like Cody describes it to her on
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the couch, like, yeah, it's about a song that we
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: both like, and it's about phoenix rising and now you're
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: like this beautiful goddess out of the flames of your deporce.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Literally, like all this stuff, and then Christine's is just
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: a pixie on a heart with some etching. Like I
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: get why she would hate it, but at the same time,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: her reaction was totally immature, especially in front of all
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: the other ladies. Like Robin's necklace was objectively the ugliest.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely it was absolutely one one hundred percento.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't even look like a phoenix. But
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: even she was like, oh my god, I love it. Beautiful,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Like she faked it in front of all the other wives,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: like Christine could have done that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I think Christine's issue with the necklace was the etched
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: side of it, which she does say, but also it
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: represents the dark side of the moon. It represents the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: shadow aspect of this pixie being that Cody sees.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Her to be.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And even when he was designing it and talking about
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it with the manufacturers, he's like, well, but she's a
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: fairy that can bite. Yeah, she will maul you, she
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: will nip at you, And so I want to actually
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: reflect that as well in this design. And so I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: think maybe her actual issue was with the shadow, with
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the darkness within herself. She didn't really want that to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: be reflected in his design, but it was. But she
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: could have found a more mature way to discuss that
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: totally just pouting in front of the other women. It
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was just a really redicu to me.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, you could talk about that privately
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: in your five hours that you get to have with
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: later in the week instead of doing it on camera
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: in front of everybody else. It was so awkward, Like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I could feel the tension and the awkwardness on my
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: TV from back in that time, Like it was so bad.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But I also loved it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great though.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: It was fantastic and it was so good to see
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Cody like flounder and be like, no, it's okay. I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: still love you, and I'll just continue to create necklaces
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: for you until.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: We've land on the one that you really love, which
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: he never does again. He's never going to try this again.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Is oh oh, totally. It was delicious. And then we
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: have the old counselor Pat coming over, like before the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Browns go to their Sedona marriage retreat. I guess Pat
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: is gonna accompany it, accompany them to Sedona because she
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: wants to help.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Nancy miss Polygamus before.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but whatever, Pat comes over and acts like she's
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a part of the family. She's like talking to each
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: of the wives, gives them all hugs.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: What an odd duck she is, I know, a bit
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: of an odd duck.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she seems to like the Browns. She's given
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: me lesbian vibes a little bit too.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Little, just a little. She has a big old rock
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: on her finger, and I'm sure she's in a big
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: old Mormon marriage. But I'm just wondering about that.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I wonder if she's married to another pet or something.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: No, I bet she's not. I bet it's a repressed
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: my vibe in my dream. I feel bad that I
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: don't get out there.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I know. Anyway, she comes over. She kind of talks
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: about how she's been the family therapist for the last
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: five years. She talks about how the Browns are a
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: little dysfunctional sometimes still little, but they're overall great, they
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: love each other. And then Mary talks about how she's
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: still trying to figure out who she is, and I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, Like even back in twenty twelve,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, like you're still figuring out, Like how long
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: is it gonna take? You're talking about that now in
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Well, but I feel like this is such a critical
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: moment in time for Mary because Leanna is about to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: leave the roost. She's going to be an empty nester.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: She had her ring melted down hood. Yeah, she's alone
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: in that big old mansion in the cold to sag.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Nobody comes to call, and nobody cares about her, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: so she's trying to figure out her position in her
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: place in the family. And I also just got the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: impression that she felt like an emotional connection with Pat.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lesbis getting sorry.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Now that you say it, though perfect She had a crush,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But I feel like maybe Pat helped Mary and Cody
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: in particular get through some very rough thing to melting. Yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: reached some important resolutions. But like, yeah, I do think
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: it's valid that Mary's going through a lot right now,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and she's probably going to this retreat wondering like, well,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: how do I fit in? Like what's it going to be?
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like annoying to me that it's taken
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: so long, because she's still talking about that in twenty
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: twenty five with her walls up.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But they just want to offer to you that there
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: are a lot of people in their forties and fifties
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: who still don't know what the f they are doing.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: They are still trying to recreate and reinvent their life.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: They don't know what the next chapter is going to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: look like. It's not like you graduate into your thirties
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and have you figured it out. I just want to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: just warn you, I know that is not going to happen.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So like, there's a lot of us out here who
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: are of like a higher age but still don't really
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: know what the heck we are doing. So I just
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: feel for Mary a little bit. I feel like how
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: insecure she must feel. Yeah, and vulnerable she must feel
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: because she desperately loves Cody. I don't know why, but
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: she does, and she wants to be a part of
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the family. She just doesn't know how to make that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: work well.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And I totally get it. It's I think from my perspective,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: it's just frustrating to see Mary like struggling so long,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: for so long, for so many years in this family
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: unit that like doesn't want her, like Cody doesn't want her.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: It's just it's like it's not so much like a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: frustration with Mary per se. It's like a frustration of
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like I just want to shake her and like get
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: her out of there, and like, oh my God, worthy
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: up already. Yeah, Like that's what's so frustrating. And I
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: know I say this all the time, and I'm not
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: trying to be super critical on Mary.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's just a she is pathetic. Yes, you use that
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: word before, and I think you're quite accurate, Like it
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: is pretty pathetic. But at the same time, when you
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: add in all of like the religious parts, yeah, and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the actual true love first love parts, yeah, like colab
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and they got a whole planet and everything, there's like
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a lot going on.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Is a lot for Mary and the repressed homosexuality.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And oh god, I didn't say that. Yeah, my god,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: we love that though, But did you sidebar, what did
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you see the picture of Mary that she released. She
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: was on like some red carpet, so skinny, very very slender. Yes,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that's what a good divorce will do for you, heady,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: it will catapult you into a new sexy era. Now,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: her hair, I'm not going to go there because that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: just rude. I'm just gonna let her have this moment
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: in the sun. But she looks wonderful. Yeah, she seems
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to be doing great.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: She seems to be doing really awesome. Yes, with that
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Alice from Twilight haircut, you know what I'm talking.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, that's what it is. But you know what,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: God bless Yes, I mean we were into the choppy
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: layers back in the aughts. She's still into tens. But
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, hey, it works for her, sure, and let's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: leave it right there. Yeah, moved on.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And after Pat comes over and talks to the family,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: then we head over to Sedona, Arizona. We stop at Sparroquest.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah have you been there?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, like a New Age crystal shop totally. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: mean there's a bill there.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, Okay, there's so many of those shops in
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Sedona it's crazy, but I've been to several of them
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: that they went and visited. But they stopped at Spirit Quest.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: They meet some hippie couple. They go and do a
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: medic in the Red Rocks, which looks very lovely.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: It does, but it is also ruined by Cody and Robin,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: who get fixated on the ants.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, Okay, let the poor man teach you
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: how to meditate.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Oh mg, It's like not a big deal. But they're
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: freaking out over the ants, crawling over on their legs
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But Janelle and Christine seem to really like
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the meditation. Yes, they really enjoyed it. And then after
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that we go back to Nancy and we have the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: personality test results. Yes, which was very interesting. We have
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Mary who is an eight. So I think they did
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: like an anagram or something. Yes, And so aight is
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the reformer the truth teller And this is where Nancy
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: calls Mary out for maybe being a little too brutal
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: sometimes with telling the truth and maybe her She's like
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: overwhelmed with the feeling of needing to tell the truth,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: but it tends to repress it for the sake of
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: everybody else. And this is where Mary actually gets emotional
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: and cries a little bit.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Because I think she's victimizing herself because she feels like
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: she cannot speak openly in the way that she wants to.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But I think the real gag is that Mary, you
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: were probably really abusive in your communication for a very
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: long time, and that nobody taught you in your childhood
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: how to be kind in your communication and be appropriate
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: in your communication. And so you came into this marriage,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and you came into the subsequent marriages with Janelle in particular,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: but also Christine being this kind of wild card abusive,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: say whatever's on your mind, and you really alienated people
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: out here. And so you're in the process right now
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: here in twenty fourteen or whenever. This is of trying
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to moderate and regulate your speech
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: so you can say the thing you want to say
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: without hurting somebody's feelings. And you don't necessarily know.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: How to do that.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't make you a victim. It makes you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: somebody who was probably a verbal abuser, and she's trying
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to shift and change that. But it doesn't make you
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: a victim. That's just all I want to say. That's
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: my personal intuition on it. Dang, that's how I feel
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's all fair. I'm just like thinking of
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: it too. From the perspective, she was in her twenties,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and so she probably said some stupid crap. And when
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: you're in your twenties and your thirties and even in
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: your forties, probably you end up a little emotionally. I'm regulated,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: and you say some really stupid stuff. You say it
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: in the worst ways possible because you don't know how
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to communicate and you don't know how to regulate your crap,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and like then you have the fundamentalist religion and all
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: of that shit. So like, I understand why she's getting emotional.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think she was like trying to victimize herself,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: but I understand why she was getting emotional because she
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: probably has repressed herself so much now. I mean, she's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: doing it now, even in twenty twenty five, where she
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: can't actually say the things anymore, Like she can't just
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: be like real. Her walls are way up and they're
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: never coming down, right, So I can see how it
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: would be emotional to want to say the things and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: then feel like you can't. But also I'm like, get
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: some intensive therapy though, and like learn how to communicate.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Not just Christian therapy or examine therapy. You need to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: continue with an actual licensed therapist to learn how to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: do this. And I'm just wondering personally what kind of
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: potential trauma she might have experienced in her childhood, because
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: she just strikes me as somebody who probably went through
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a lot totally.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like wondering where she learned her communication style,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Like did was she talk to like that?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: From somebody was screaming in her household exactly?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And so that's all she learned, but then never learned
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the right way to talk to people and like the
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: right way to express herself. So she's just repressing it
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and burying it down and that's why she ends up
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: sucking on a banana later and her bathtime.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, can we go uncensored for a second?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, So back from uncensored, Like, I have a lot
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: of compassion for Mary here because she just doesn't know
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: how to land in a spot that works for her, Like,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: she has a lot to say in this moment, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: she's scared to say it because she has demonstrated previously
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: that she doesn't know how to moderate herself. But at
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the same time, she can see what's going on exactly,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: and she knows what's happening in her own relationship with
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Cody and with these other women, and they're so much
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: there and that's why she cries. Yeah, that's why she
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: walls up because she doesn't know what.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: To do with it exactly, because she knows that if
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: she says anything, it might be the wrong way and
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: then she'll hurt somebody and then it makes a bigger
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: hole for herself and everybody else. And so like I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: honestly felt for Mary in this episode because of that,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Like when she was told that she was the truth teller,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, that's crazy, because she is so stuck
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: in the shadow of it because she doesn't really tell
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: the truth even now in twenty five, Like she can't.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Just be She's trying, though, can you see that she's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: trying in her weird way, She's religiously repressed, but she's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: trying to worthy up, like she's creating these symbols of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: what she wants to achieve, and she is projecting herself
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: as having already achieved that, but she's really in the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: process of doing so, Like, I feel like that's what
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: she wants and that's where I can get my compassion
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: for her. And let me just say, by the way,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: that uncensored section that we just went through, which is
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: very personal, if you want to have access to anything
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that we say that's uncensored, all you have to do
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: is go to patreon dot com, slash reality TV cringe.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: That's for the vip raccoons. Yep, just FYI. But anyway,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like she's on this journey of that. Yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and she's trying to say I'm already there though, so
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I can take you with me, which is very MLM
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of her. Right, She's not there though, Well.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And maybe she'll be one of those women that like
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: will start not giving a crap like the older that
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: she gets because you know how you talk to some
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: older women, like in their seventies who are like, I
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit anymore, right, and they just say
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: whatever they want and do whatever they want. So I
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: hope she gets to that point and she probably will.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: It's just taking a really long time, and because of
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: all of those factors, because maybe her trauma as a
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: kid and growing up in polygamy and then being married
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to a literal demon Cody Brown for thirty thousand years.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Like she'll get there. I hope she does. It's hard
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: to see her go through these parts though, Like it's
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: hard to see her in season six where she's going
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: through this therapy session and she's like crying but doesn't
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: know how to fully express it, doesn't know how to
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: actually say what she's feeling. And then she's having it
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: all filmed, right, got that layer of like not really
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: wanting to be personal because you're on camera, like it's.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Well and in traditional therapy, like with a monogamous you'd
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: be there with your husband or your wife and it
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: would just be you and that person working out your drama.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: But she doesn't really even get to have the spotlight
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: here because and we see Cody just kind of immediately
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: dismiss her position and immediately dismissed like her traits and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: her quirks and talk about like how he's in this
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: terrible position because he's got to try and attend to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: all of his wives and figure out how to have
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: empathy for all to be patient women, and like, she
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: can't even have this moment to be who she is
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: uniquely and have it be witnessed and acknowledged by her
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: husband because he doesn't care about her anymore. And that's
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: what I think her body is trying to tell her
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: honest sight, Her body and her spirit is trying to
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: tell her that Cody doesn't love you anymore. But she
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: cannot let go for all of these other extraneous reasons.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And that's what makes this sad. It also makes it
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: sad for Christine, which we don't really talk about. It
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: makes it sad for Janelle. Now Janelle's a different animal, though.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Janelle's like because the counselor kind of steers it away
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: from Cody after somewhat calling him out correcting him. Because again,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: as soon as Mary says this about herself and how
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: it feels to be a truth teller and like to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: be in this weird position where she's afraid that she's
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: going to hurt people's feelings by telling the truth, Cody
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: immediately dismisses her and says, well, yeah, like for me,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: it's really hard because all these women have their different
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: problems and I've got to figure out how to manage
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that and be empathetic. The counselor kind of corrects her,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: corrects him, Yep, I'm sorry, corrects him, and then Robin
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: sweeps in to protect him and says that the until
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: are correcting. Cody's dismissal of Mary was aggressive. Yeah. Janelle
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: on the couch says, I don't think it was aggressive.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I think it was assertive, and that's what we paid
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: for her to do, coming up here to Sedona to
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: be our therapist. And so then the counselor at that
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: point sort of pivots the conversation to the women, yes,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and like where are you with each other? Because Cody's
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: trying to constantly put out there that I don't want
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: to be responsible for these women and their relationships. They
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: have to be responsible for that. And Robin says something like, yeah,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: we're lazy, like we don't really spend time with each other.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: We're like not really managing these relationships. And then we
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: go to Janelle and Janelle's like, yeah, I'm okay, though, Yeah,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I'm fine, fine to be separate from everybody else. I've
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: got my own stuff going on. And I'm obviously committed.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm in the family, but like, I don't
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: really need these women to do anything for me, which
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: is funny because last week we thought she was going
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to be talking about my sister wife's closet and that
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: she wanted to separate from that. She's literally talking about
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: the other women. Oh yeah, like, I don't need you,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want you. I'm fine right over here where
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And I love that. And I thought that was totally
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a response to what Robin was saying, because before that,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: when Robin was saying that they're lazy with each other,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: she also said that they're all more focused on their
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: relationships with Cody than they are with each other, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that they're just cordial with each other, especially at family events, right,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: they just try to be cordial and nice, which was
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: very interesting that she's calling this out and calling this
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: dynamic out because the other wives, like even in this episode,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you can see they're focused on the family, and they're
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: focused on the family unit, and Robin talks about how no,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: they're actually just focused on their relationships with Cody, which
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: means Robin's only focus her relationship with Cody. She doesn't
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: care about her relationships with other women, So it's interesting
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: that she's planting that seed, but Cody is quick to
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: blame the women for not being connected to each other.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Very very interesting. And then after that very hard, very aggressive,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: very unsafe conversation with Nancy, everybody goes and takes a
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: walk because Cody needs a break from therapy because he
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: literally says he has to do all the emotional lifting
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: in this way.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he said that with his mouth and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: his words. I know It's like, I'm the one that
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: has to do the emotional heavy lifting in this family.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly having to do this work. And I'm like,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: what are you? Totally what are you talking about? Like
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: they won't even film your individual therapy session with Nancy
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: in your hotel room, but they will with Christine and
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Mary channel because your shit's in Robin's room and Robin
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: is also outside when they're interviewing her for individual therapy.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Because you're always with Robin, What's like, emotional heavy lifting
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: are you actually do? But he believes it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: He does.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: He literally believes this about himself, that he's doing all
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of the hard work. And this is what is embittering
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: him over the years towards these other women when in actuality,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: he's really not He's not doing and I'm wondering if
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: it Robin on the side going, oh my god, they
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: expect you to do this?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I think so, they expect you.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: To manage their relationships so that they can get along.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Why should you have to do this? You really, I
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have to do it because he's dub.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: He is so dumb, and he's hypnotized by the goddess
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: that is Robin Broquet. It's so ridiculous. And then it's
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the next day and they had other plans to involve
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: all of the women and Cody. You got to talk
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: about this, but Robin is sick, she's nauseous, and so
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: she's staying back in her hotel room, right, which I
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: think either she's prego and not say anything, or she's
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: faking it because she doesn't want to be dealing with
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: therapy with all of these other women and Cody. But
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Cody has to because it's the show, right and he
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: has to be with all the other wives, and so
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: he does this activity with them, and Robin gets to
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: stay back in her hotel room.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Which I just think is really indicative of how she
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: has perceived herself in this family, on on this show,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: this entire time, because I don't think she feels like
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: she has to show her like exactly. She doesn't have
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to show her room, yep, didn't have to show her house.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have to show anything. And so if I
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to be there, I don't have to go there.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm still going to be collecting these pretty checks.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's pregnant with Ariela at this probably not.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I think that comes later because I think Solomon's only
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: like one or one and so, Yeah, but I think
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: she's just calling off because she doesn't want to do it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: And I don't think she likes therapy, and I don't
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: think she likes to hear Mary and Janelle and Christine
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: talk about their relationships with Cody. I don't think she
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: can handle it.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think so either. I thought it was so interesting, yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: like it's a marriage retreat, it's therapy, and you can't
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: even show up. You're sitting in your hotel room with
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: room service waiting for Cody.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I really wish I knew what her moon sign was,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I know, and what her rising was.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Because she's Libra, right, Liba's son.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: So Libra is so chill and awesome. Typically if they're
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: in balance, like there's, they're typically like really wonderful people.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: But the shadow, but the shadow, and also oh whatever
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: your moon is and you're rising. I wish I knew,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: God, just to have her birth chart would be so great.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Some Gemini and there there's some saws goblin action going
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: on in her replacements.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, or water?
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, repressed water, so much repressed water. Maybe
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: too some fire. I don't know, girls, I don't know.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Soun's wrong with Sound's wrong with that woman?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Something is wrong. But on day two they go meet
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: some guy Joseph Joseph white Wolf.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, Joseph white Wolf, white guy, Joseph, white guy, Joseph
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: white guy with the grasshopper.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: With the grasshopper tell him to face their fears.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Right, because when the grasshopper hops away from you, it
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: spins in the air and it lands in a position
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: where it's facing you, meaning you have to face your fears.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: So profound Joseph White.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Tody's talking about how he really has a lot of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: latitude and grace for people who have weird beliefs because
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: he comes from the weirdest belief of them all, which
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: is Mormonism.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And I agree at least he's aware of that part, yes,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: But it's interesting how he's calling his religion weird even
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: in season six, because he's so quick to defend it,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: even just last week's episode in front of all the
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: other people.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Don't the Mormons believe that Jesus visited America and that
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: there were packaderms in America.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Allegedly, were there Pacas allegedly? They believe the Garden of
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Eden is in Missouri, which.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Makes sense Kansas City, Mislourian, Yeah, exactly. So it has
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: a weird religion, but then all religions are weird, of course.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then we have Pat leaving the retreat.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: She's got to go back to Utah, and Mary and
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Cody cry about it on the couch because she's made
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: such an impact on them. I think it's because Mary's
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: in love with Sorry don't.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, But I do think they regard
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: it as an end of an era, yeah, because they
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: received maybe intensive Mormon therapy from Pat for a series
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: of time, and now she's gone and they're stuck with Nancy.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: It's just Nancy from here on out.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, which Cody doesn't like because Nancy calls out
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: their crap and calls out his crap specifically. And then
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: we have the individual counseling sessions with everybody. We start
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: with Janelle, who's telling Nancy that she is committed to
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the family, but she's also changed as a person.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Hi, I mean, that's what you're supposed to do.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: And she's also looking fab in Sodona can I just
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: looks great. She's look pretty fantastic.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: There are sometimes when the light catches her face and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: her eyes kind of light up. I'm like, you are ethereal, Yes,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: you are goddess energy and vibes.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: And this is where I can see where maybe Cody really.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Lis Vegas renaissance is sexual renaissance.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: He's been banging her back out.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: She also says that she's not into this whole mission
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: statement thing because it's just drama. Where's drama though?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I know why? I mean, I know it's drama.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I know it's like tedious because Christine's in charge and
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: she can't keep it together and you got all the
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: kids trying to figure out what the mission statement is,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: but where's the drama in the mission statement? That's what
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I wondered.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe with Robin. I don't know, Like I don't know.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine she's calling Christine out for drama, but
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: maybe she is. Maybe that's aside, like a little shade
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: there to Christine, like, oh my god, why do we
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: have to do this mission statement? It's stupid?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: And I agree, I mean, yeah, I am Janelle in
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: this moment, like why do we have to We just
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: got into our house, Like, let me nest a little bit.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do your dumb project, Christine. I
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: don't care about drama.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: She also talks about how she doesn't relate to Mary
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: and Robin and how she's still kind of trying to
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: work out her relationship with Mary, which is interesting because
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: they don't actually work anything else.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Subtext, it's like the big issue here. I think this
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: is why Mary is crying. I think this is why
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Mary is afraid to speak her whole drama. I think
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: this is why Janelle's said operated on the cow coach,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and it's fine to do so because there's something that
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: is continuing to brew between these two women, specifically totally.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And then Christine just agitates it oh to.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: One percent with that Ari's energy. Oh my god. She
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: sides with Janelle too, totally, Yeah, yeah, totally, And Janelle
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: was probably the one brunt of Mary's BS communication. So yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And then we have Mary who talks about how she
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: struggles with communication and struggles with trusting that the wives
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: actually want to work things out with her.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Can we just drill down into that because that was
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: a very obscure and interesting comment. She's like, well, I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: want to show up and I want to work on this,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: but I'm just not trusting that the other women actually
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: really want.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: To do that. And like who is she talking about?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: What is she really saying here? Like right, like is
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: this real?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I know?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I like here doing therapy because we really want to
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: go somewhere with this, because I don't want to be
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: vulnerable in this moment if all you're doing is performing
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: everybody else That's what I got.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Mmmm. So like she's talking about everybody, yes, not just
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: like one or two wives. Yes. And she's also referring
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: to Robin.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I think she also might be referring to Cody, like Cody,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: are you serious about you? And I like, are you
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: serious about our relationship, and like, I don't know if
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I want to really lay it all out there, show
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: all of these parts of myself. If what you're really
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: doing is collecting a check from DLC.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe that is what she's really saying, because yeah, I mean,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: this is all on camera, and like Cody and Robin
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: don't seem into it at all. They don't even seem to.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Like Nancy Sacy resistant to it, yep.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know if they follow up with Nancy.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: And like maybe Mary is also saying she wants to
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: continue in therapy, but like it's not in the family budget,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: not in the family priority, and like she maybe she
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: wants to do therapy with Cody, but he is so
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: resistant to it. So maybe that's what she's saying. That's
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: an interesting theory. And then we have Cody out on
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: the patio of Robin's hotel room isact talking to Nancy
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: about how he's concerned that the wives don't want to
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: work out anything with each other and that he hopes
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: the mission statement will be some sort of pathway to recommitment.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: And this is kind of like the opening of the recommitment.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: What are you say words I care about it? I
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: don't care about any of these You're saying, dummy, And this.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Is like a narc trying to do therapy where it's
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: all surface levels exactly, and that's why you can't therapize
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: an art exactly.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: They're not really showing up authentically in the moment.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: And then we have Robin on the patio of her
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: hotel room when Cody in the other room talking to
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Nancy and Nancy I'm dressed.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Lay and pat set love her, probably not
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: love Victoria's secret for sure, Victoria's secret. Yeah, just waiting
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: for this to wrap up. Bring your doodle. I'm ready
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: to get I'm pegged in doora baby, yeah, god, em
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I apologize.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Well. Nancy asks Robin some kind of question of like, well,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: what do you want, like what do you want out
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: of therapy? Sure, and Robin comes up with this really
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: weird answer where she talks about, well, I've lived monogamy
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: before I chose to live polygamy, and I just like
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: worry that we're going to disconnect from each other, even
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: in the cul de sac. And that's like my biggest fur,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: that we're going to discd from each other, which I'm
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: just like, that is not what I signed up for. Yeah, okay,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: but that's exactly what ends up happening, right.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: And I wondered in this moment if she meant it,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: because I kind of felt like she did. It's like
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: she's of two minds, like a typical libro. Okay, Yeah,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: It's like she is wanting this idea of what it
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: would look like to have this big family and be
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: an integrated part of the fabric of this family. But
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: at the same time, she wants this man all for
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: herself exactly, and she wants this man all for her
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: kids and her kids alone, like she does not know
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: how to deal with that.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: See, And I felt like she was saying this just
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: for the cameras because she wants the audience, especially at
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: this time, to think that she cares about the family.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: She cares about these wives that she just called lazy
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: just a few minutes ago and said that she is
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: just cordial with them because her actual priority is Cody.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: But now she's saying to the camera and everybody else, like,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I'm worried now we're going to disconnect as a family.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: That's like my biggest fear. It's not though, because you
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: are prioritizing your relationship with Cody, and you are allowing
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: him to use all of his time at your house
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: and not be with the other wives because you secretly
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: love that. You love the fact that he is prioritizing
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: you and not any of the other women. So that's
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: why I'm like, that's totally of the two minds thing,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: like she wants.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Every dy the idea of it, but she does not
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: want to work for it at all, and she does
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: not want to share, and it is showing up right now.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I think it has started to truly show up in
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Vegas during the rentals, where Cody has started to prefer
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: her and spend more time with her. There was that
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: weird little comment she made a couple of episodes ago,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: or like, well, when we're in our Call to Sad,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: we can look at our window and we can see
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: what's going on and exactly where Cody is. And she's
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: really telling on herself there, like they can see me
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and how much time I'm spending with Cody because she is.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: So it's already beginning, and that's why I think we
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: have Mary in tears. That's why I think we have
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Janelle detaching and just like I don't give a shit
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: act whatever and whatever. Just pay me my money. I'm
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: in my big mansion. It's fine, exactly. And that's why
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: we have Christine like not really knowing where she fits
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: in the family as well, because I think at this
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: point Christine does want to be close to Cody. Of course,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: she does want to still have that kind of relationship,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: but she can desperately feel how she is losing her
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: fitting is supplanting all of the wives and their relationships.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Like she can see it and she knows it, but
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: she can't say it, at least not on camera, not
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: for the show exactly.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: And Christine is so focused on this mission statement because
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I think she wants to communicate to Cody like, no,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I do care about the family, and I care about
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: my relationships with the sister wives, and I want this
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: to work because, like I say in the title screen,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't want just the man. I wanted the family
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: and I care about this. So she's like trying to
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: communicate that to Cody, because Cody is saying that to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: the therapist and saying that to the other wives, like
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: I want you guys to be focused on the family.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I want you to be focused on each other. I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: can't be the common denominator. Christine is communicating that, and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: she is doing that, but it's proving to be not enough.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: That's not enough because she doesn't got that breakdance and punami.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Nope, she ain't wearing the Diesel jeans hot No, she
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: hate And.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Then we get to the most interesting part of the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: episode for me in my opinion, Yes, the part where
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: they're in the circle together and Nancy wants them all
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: to position themselves and how they relate to their closeness
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: to Cody or like, how they think that they are closest.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: It's not really clear, actually, because I rewounded a couple
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: of times. I'm like, are we trying to position ourselves
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: in the orbit around Cody or are we like positioning
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: ourselves around each other? Like what are we doing here?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't clear. But at the end of the day,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: it ends up being that the women are positioning themselves
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: according to their perceived closeness to Cody. And we have
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Robin right up next to him, holding his hand, holding
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: his hand, and then grabbing Mary's hand. Truly and literally,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the bridge between Mary and Cody was actually accurate. Yes,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: it's accurate. She's like I'm the bridge between you and Cody,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: because without me you would have nothing, bitch, And don't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: ever forget it, Do not ever forget. And then Janelle's like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stand over here, though, yep, on the side,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stand all the way over here. And
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: then Christine initially goes to stand by Janelle and she's like,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: you know what, no, let me go stand behind Cody. Yeah,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: and then she turns away from him, so they're back
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: to back.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: What did you make of that?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I mean that she feels like they're on two different
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: playing fields, like they're not even looking at each other.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: He's in the basement totally.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: She is the least favorite. I mean, you even see
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: that kind of echoed at the very beginning when he
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: gives her the necklace, like she's the last one. He
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: gives it to Mary, to Janelle, then to Robin, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: then Christine's last, and she's the worst necklace.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, The phoenix is objectively the worst.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: They're all bad. Yeah, but like you know, it's kind
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: of already being communicated passively that Christine's the least favorite.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Now he don't like her, and he's also surprised that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Christine feels so disconnected and far away from him. He's like, really,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: that's how you feel as he's holding Robin's hand. It's crazy.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: And Robin said something at the beginning like this isn't safe.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this is safe for us to
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: do right now, because she knows, Like you have to know, Robin,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: that you're the favorite. She knows. He probably tells you
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: that all the time. Now she knows, and now we
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: know that she knows exactly. So miss me with this
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: whole You're so clueless. You don't know how all the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: other women feel, like, come on.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: And honestly, like, let's be real with the timeline, because
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: even though this is season six, it's only been like
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: two to three years since Robin's been with this family.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: It has not been a long time. And in that time,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: she has risen in the stratosphere to be the closest
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: wife to Cody, and all the other wives know this.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: At least Janelle doesn't care that much. But I think
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Mary cares. I think Christine cares yep, And I think
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: this is kind of the origin story of Mary and Robin,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: because Mary needs Robin in order to have any standing
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: whatsoever with Cody. And it gets critical when the catfish happens,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: because there's the redemption, there's the forgiveness, there's the staying
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: married part, which Robin facilitates to some degree. Like without Robin,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: there is no Mary. Mary is gone, honey, yep, Mary's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: moving on out of this family.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: And it's like so sad that Mary is kind of
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: accepting it, even in this moment, because I think Mary
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: was like at first confused of where she was going
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: to place herself in relation to Cody. And then Robin
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: is the one that's like, well, here, how about this.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I'll hold Cody's hand, you hold my hand? Does that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: feel good? Like she literally asks Mary if that's okay?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: And can I just tell you how bad that would
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: feel if I'm the legal wife. I am the first wife.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I married this man at nineteen years old, and here
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I stand at forty three years old, and I need
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: this little chippy to grab my hand and say, look,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: I'll be the bridge between you. Like that would feel
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: so disempowering and disenfranchising to me, Like who the F
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: do you think you are? Lady? Straight up, this is
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: my life. This is my husband that I've had for
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: two three decades.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and because Mary is the truth teller, she's
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: feeling all of that but can't communicate it and can't
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: say it like Janelle and Christine are feeling it too,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: because you have to be dumb to look at how
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: this is set up, and like, see how Robin is
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: holding Cody's hand, Like she's constantly touching him and constantly
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: pulling him to her side.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: The entire time during therapy she was sitting next to him.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: She was right next to him the whole time.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, like it's obvious, and like after they position themselves
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: and how they feel towards Cody, then it changes to okay,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: well how do you want to feel? Like where would
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: you like to be placed? And Robin doesn't move Mary.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I mean right, she's already the closest one. She's holding
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: his hands.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a weird conversation that happens between Cody and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Mary here where Mary's like, well, but I'm different from
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: all of you, because Christine says something like, well, I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: have a bond with Janelle because we both have kids
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: and they grew up with each other. And then Mary says, yeah,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: but I'm different because I have Leon and Leon's leaving,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: and so I'm in this weird position, and it was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: a great opportunity in that moment for Mary to actually
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: share to the group how she feels yep, because she
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't know where she stands with everybody. But Cody kind
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: of sweeps in and says, well, but like it's your responsibility,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: like you have these relationships with these women, and like
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: that's your thing. And she's like, well, I know, and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I do have relationships, and he's like, are they good?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Some of He's like, some of them are good. Yeah, Okay,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: So what are you really saying here, Kray? I feel
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: like Cody's trying to shine the light on Mary's behavior,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: right with maybe Janelle and maybe Christine. I don't it
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: can't be with Robin No, because Mary's friends with Robin yep.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm wondering what Cody's trying to do in this moment,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: why he can't just let Mary have this no, and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: he's like trying to blame her for the destruction between
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the relationships with the sister Wise, that's what I got,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: and that's what was interesting because in season sixteen, seventeen
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: eight to ninety he's blaming Janelle and Christine for that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: as well, so like he's blaming all three of them.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: But in this moment in season six, it seems like
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: the spotline is mainly on Mary, like Mary's the problem.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like Mary's the problem though, because like I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: think in seasons fifteen sixteen, when they go to therapy
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: again and they're sitting down, it's after the catfish, it's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: before COVID. He's like, but you lied to me though,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: you told me you were somebody that you were not,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: and we never learned what exactly that was about. And
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: we've learned now in season nineteen that he made a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: list for her, like You've got to do all of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: these things in order to gain back my good favor. Yeah,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Like there's something here that we're not actually talking about,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: and in this moment, there's something that Cody's accusing Mary of. Yeah,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: but do you have good relationships with them though, because
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: you don't write, and she's like, well, some of them
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I do. I'm like, Okay, what's happening.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: There's probably a couple of things going on here, Like
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: maybe Mary is at fault for some of the destruction
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: of these relationships indeed, but like maybe she's also the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: scapegoat right now with Cody, like because there's always a
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: golden and there's always a scapegoat, right and so maybe
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Mary is kind of the scapegoat right now, and then
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: also Christine and Janelle become that too, and Robin's of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: course the golden of course the golden, yes, because she's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: the phoenix rise. Yeah, it was just really interesting and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: so awkward, this whole like sculpture, moving sculpture thing. And
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't take my eyes off of Robin holding
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Cody's hand the entire time. The other woman had to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: have seen that and felt that and felt like wow,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: like I can't even feel like I can hold his
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: hand right here. I don't even feel close to him.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: And when they position themselves and how they want to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: be in relation to Cody, Janelle wants to be right
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: in front of him, and then Christine is right next
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: to Janelle, right in front of him, but she's also
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: kind of like turned towards Robin in a way, like
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: almost kind of like she's trying to block Robin from Cody,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: which was interesting, and Mary's still off on the sideline.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just very interesting, very symbolic
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: and then they put their foreheads together because that's how
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: they want to be connected all And Cody doesn't want
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: to be the common denominator and I don't care.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Well he doesn't want to be in the center of
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the circle, which is so weird. But you signed up
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: for exactly that though, Hello, Like, I know you don't
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: want to have to do this emotion emotional heavy lifting
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: that you say that you constantly do, which you actually
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: do not do. But that is like what you signed
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: up for. In a polygan's marriage, you are the anchor.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: You are the roots to this entire family. Like and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: if you didn't want that, you should not have done
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: this right, you cannot now abdicate your responsibility to all
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: these other women that don't even know where they really
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: stand with you because you are not clear. You're not
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: a good patriarch, You're not a good husband, You're not
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: a good father.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say, I can understand where he
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: was saying, Like he wants the family to survive even
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: after he died. Yes, like I can understand he wants
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: the women to get along because they are the family.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: They created the family, they have all the kids and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: stuff like so they do have to kind of like
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: cohabitate and get along. But the thing is is that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Cody is at the root of that, because if they
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: all had a good relationship with Cody, they would be
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: all able to get along with each other. But because
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: it's all unequal, there's the jealousy and the insecurity and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: all of these things.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: And where's the money going, and how are we paying
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Logan's college? And how are we going to pay for Leon?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Like nobody knows what's going on.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: And that's what's like missing in Cody's head is that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: you are the common denominator dude, Like you do have
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: to have relationships with all the wives so they can
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: have good relationships with each other, but it's Cody Brown,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: so it's never gonna He's never gonna lie.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Was so good, like you could really see it so clear,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: so everything that was dysfunctional and problematic in this relationship,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: and it was also so wild to see how none
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: of them really could see that at all.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, wow, Janelle, you're standing right in
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: front of Cody, right, this is where you want to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: you want it right in front of Cody, But like wow,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and at the end, of the day like you never
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: were uh uh, and you walk away with almost nothing,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: almost nothing, yep, for as strong as you are in
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: this moment with all of your opinions, which is crazy.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's why they had their renaissance because that
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: kept her at bay. Maybe she thought like she had
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: some kind of power or some kind of place in
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: the in the family for a while.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: And I think she wanted it, Like I think there's
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: a valid part of her that really wants this. She
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: does in this moment season six, believe in it. Yeah,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: but this is going to start to wane. Oh, she's
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: going to start to get really disillusioned with how everything
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: is working out. Honey. By the time we get to Flagstaff,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: she's like, do so I choose my kids?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: F you? Yeah?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Buye Cody rightly so, which.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Is so great. It's nice to see at least Janelle's
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: r throughout it.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: And we know that in good faith she was there.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: It's not like she was just sticking there for like
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: the money or the cul de sac or whatever. Like,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: in good faith was she there, But like Cody, you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: blew it, Honey. I just want to stand ten toes
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: down in my statement that she's the one that got
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: away for COVID. Oh, I mean out of all of
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: the women, she is of the highest value in my opinion, agree,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: like across the board, in every single way, high value woman.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: And she walked away from she didn't even tell you
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: she was leaving, like, I'm just going, duddie, How do
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: need to tell you anything? Ooh, how that must have
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: caught him? Oh totally, so well done.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Janelle, Oh, totally yeah, yes, I loved it. And then
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: we have the last day in Sedona. We're at a rooftop. Yeah,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: we're drawing on some chalk blocks, are we Yeah? Okay
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: about their family mission statement words. And they put it
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: all together and you see how Robin's like sew not
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: into it and off on the sideline because she doesn't
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: trust Nancy okay, because she's a monogamous all right, she
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand polygamy. And then they do their mission statement thing.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Christina is so happy because this is all she wanted.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Why, I don't know who cares.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Janelle and Mary have like a little argument over the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: arrangement of the blocks, right, and Janelle feels empowered because
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: she shared her opinion about the arrangement of the blocks
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: because that was such a big deal to her.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: But maybe it is a big deal for her to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: stand up to marry. Mary wants it maybe symmetrical and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: an actual cube, and Janelle's like, I don't give a
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: crap about that. It can be all chaotic and I
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: stand on that, and Mary's okay. God, maybe for Janelle
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: that was an empowering moment.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe hey, whatever. And then they take their photo with
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: all their feet in there.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: And that's gross and it is gross.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I find that gross, Like we don't need to have
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: our feet no in this photo, but you know whatever.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: And then they end the episode talking about how they're
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: going to have a recommitment ceremony with this mission statement,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: which I think.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: They do well they do, but they're talking about like
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: how this mission statement is a building block towards a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: recommitment ceremony. I'm like, I don't care. I don't care
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: talk about all the other stuff. We don't need a ceremony.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: This must be like a curse thing for TLC, Like
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: all these families that do these recommitment ceremonies break up,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: like the Goslins did the same thing.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I know, and I think at the end of this season,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: which by the way, next episodes a tell all.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then we have extras.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Then we have like a whole other season which is
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: classified as still season six, which ends with the commitments
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: that were like, it's so much snoring, honey, I'm tired.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: It's a lot. Thank god. We have season nineteen this
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: weekend coming back. Yes, that'll be interesting.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, maybe, I hope so I do. We'll see what happens.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: We're definitely going to be back for that, and we
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: hope that you're going to be joining us.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Now, is there anything else that we need to say
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: to these beautiful raccoons. I can't believe how long we've
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: wait have been talking a lot.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: This was a good episode, it was there was so
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: many layer there was so much trash it adults, yep.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: But is there anything else that we need to forget
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: a bridge?
• 1:14:49
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• 1:14:51
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• 1:14:56
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• 1:14:58
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• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: We will be back next week to get back into
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: season nineteen and all the chaos that comes with that.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: So make sure we come back for that. Until then,
• 1:15:09
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• 1:15:11
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