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Season One Rewind: Lessons on Leadership, Authenticity & Growth · Leading By Example: Executives Making An Impact

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Speaker 1: Movie. It's Farnushcharabi. Welcome back to Leading by Example. We're
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Speaker 1: in between seasons right now, but today we wanted to
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Speaker 1: share something a little different instead of an interview, I'm
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Speaker 1: here with our producer Kia to talk about some of
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Speaker 1: our favorite moments from the first season. Hey, Kia, Hey
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Speaker 1: for our news. It's great to be back with you again. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: going down memory lane. We've picked out some clips and
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Speaker 1: insights that really kind of stuck with us and I
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Speaker 1: think our listeners too, And we think these will also
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Speaker 1: show the different ways to approach leadership. And if you're
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Speaker 1: new here, this is a perfect way to sample what
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Speaker 1: the show's all about. And if you've been with us
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Speaker 1: from the start, thank you. Consider it a highlight reel
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Speaker 1: of lessons worth hearing again. So let's get into it.
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Speaker 1: So we started this season off with Will Pearson, president
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Speaker 1: of the iHeart Podcast Network. He had such an interesting
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Speaker 1: perspective on what it means to actually empower creators, especially
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Speaker 1: underrepresented voices in podcasting, and it was one of those
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Speaker 1: moments that really reminded me why I personally love this medium.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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Speaker 2: So what we're in effect trying to do is to
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Speaker 2: fund and support startups within a large organization so that
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Speaker 2: when Charlemagne, the god legendary host of the Breakfast Club
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Speaker 2: or co host of the Breakfast Club comes along and says,
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Speaker 2: I think it's time to start a network dedicated to
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Speaker 2: black voices because of the incredible underrepresentation in the podcast space.
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Speaker 2: When he came to us in twenty twenty and express that,
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Speaker 2: we said, well, now is the time to do this.
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Speaker 2: Let's give it a shot, and to give him the resources,
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Speaker 2: but in some ways to also step out of the
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Speaker 2: way and to not get in the way of a
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Speaker 2: creator or a visionary trying to create their thing. We
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Speaker 2: know that we have the toolkit to help a podcast
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Speaker 2: network or an individual podcast succeed through marketing and the
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Speaker 2: megaphone that we have here at iHeart, but we also
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Speaker 2: know we want to invest in and believe in creators
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Speaker 2: to see through their vision.
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Speaker 1: That was Will Pearson, president of the iHeart podcast network. Kiya.
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Speaker 1: You know, I just really remembered him as being somebody
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Speaker 1: who was so open to not only hearing from his
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Speaker 1: creators in the network, but allowing them to roam free,
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Speaker 1: experiment with ideas, really trusting them. He gave the example
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Speaker 1: of let's say Charlottagne, the God comes to me with
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Speaker 1: an idea, giving that artist, that creator the runway to
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Speaker 1: go and do that. It's not for nothing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think we're living in a world where we don't
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Speaker 1: have necessarily always at freedom when we're working with a
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Speaker 1: big corporation.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I feel like that's something that like, I'm sure
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Speaker 3: you can relate to being a creator. And I was
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Speaker 3: independent podcasting before Eikeen. iHeart so really value creators. I
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Speaker 3: always keep that in consideration working full time in podcasting
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Speaker 3: and thinking about working with creators, which is one of
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Speaker 3: my favorite parts of the job is always looking at
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Speaker 3: talent and seeing what's authentic. And I really think the
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Speaker 3: audience can always relate to that, like it's just hard
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Speaker 3: to fake being authentic. And I think it's just something
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Speaker 3: that every company needs to remember, especially when they're working
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Speaker 3: with creators, because if you had someone like Charlotte, me
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Speaker 3: and the God doing something completely out of his realm,
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Speaker 3: like that's not going to translate to the audience. So
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Speaker 3: I think it's a good lesson that will has and
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Speaker 3: something that everyone can definitely take into account, whether it's
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Speaker 3: finance or politics. It's just so important to connect to
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Speaker 3: your audience, to be authentic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, translated really well to all sorts of industries. All right, Well,
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Speaker 1: next up is Shannon Skuyler from PwC talking about inclusion
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Speaker 1: in a very clear eyed way in our time together.
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Speaker 1: She challenged the idea that DEI can just be quote
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Speaker 1: unquote solved by a program or a department and really
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Speaker 1: put the focus on everyday interactions.
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Speaker 4: The department can't solve for diversity, equity inclusion that actually
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Speaker 4: happens on the ground with the people you interact with
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Speaker 4: every single day, whether your colleague, your supervisor, your client.
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Speaker 4: And we're trying to determine how do you bring that
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Speaker 4: more and not just say here's a couple of programs
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Speaker 4: that will solve for this, because your programs aren't going
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Speaker 4: to solve for it. So how does the culture and
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Speaker 4: the environment really become more inclusive to do that on
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Speaker 4: its own?
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Speaker 1: And we should mention Shannon Skyler came on the show
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Speaker 1: after the election, so we know what's happened since right
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of industries, a lot of individual
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Speaker 1: companies that have sort of done away with their D
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Speaker 1: and I. They are changing the names of their programs,
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Speaker 1: they don't want to be targeted for promoting, believe it
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Speaker 1: or not, diversity, equity, and inclusion. I really appreciate it
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Speaker 1: Shannon Schuyler's I don't about say bravery, but sort of
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Speaker 1: like she has a no nonsense approach to this, which
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Speaker 1: is that this is everyone's job. This is a job,
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Speaker 1: this is an important job, an important role, and as
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Speaker 1: a leader, she's of the mind that she couldn't possibly
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Speaker 1: be the one, the one person to have you know,
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Speaker 1: all the answers are to say, Okay, this is the
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Speaker 1: program that we're all going to plug into and practice
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Speaker 1: and we'll solve all of our d and I concerns.
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Speaker 1: That inclusion is lived in every interaction, not just a policy.
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Speaker 1: So kudos to Shannon Skuyler for first just coming on
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Speaker 1: our show to tackle this in this current political climate,
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Speaker 1: and then to be bold with her vision and her
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Speaker 1: ideas around it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a timely topic and it's just so
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Speaker 3: interesting because she made a good point how maybe after
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Speaker 3: George Floyd doing twenty twenty in the pandemic, that all
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Speaker 3: these companies went like extreme to be like diversity and
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Speaker 3: like how can we make up for this? And then
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Speaker 3: five years later it's going extreme opposite, and it's like
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Speaker 3: really about finding that balance, which I think is in
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Speaker 3: any way, you know, you could talk about the economy
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Speaker 3: in certain ways and not to get political about how
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Speaker 3: people voted for Obama and then went to the extreme
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Speaker 3: and voted for Trump. Like there's a lot of crossover
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Speaker 3: with that. So I think like taking that into account
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Speaker 3: with your company culture or anything you want to solve,
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Speaker 3: you can't just go like fool on one hundred percent
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Speaker 3: and then like take it back and be like, why
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Speaker 3: is it anything working? Yeah, I think she had like
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Speaker 3: a great approach to be like this is such a
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Speaker 3: personal experience and we need to shape the culture and
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Speaker 3: we can't just like hand out a program and slap
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Speaker 3: a number on something or slap a title on something.
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Speaker 1: Like it really takes a lot of effort and work.
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Speaker 3: And I think it goes back to like that's another
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Speaker 3: form of being authentic, and people can see that their
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Speaker 3: leaders are not being authentic once they just go to
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Speaker 3: one extreme and then the other. So I really love
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Speaker 3: that Shannon brought that up. And I also loved her
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Speaker 3: personal journey of being at PwC for like, what was
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Speaker 3: it like eighteen years?
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Speaker 1: Right, I was gonna say that, yeah, not for nothing.
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Speaker 1: But she's had not only that longevity at PwC, but
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Speaker 1: has worked in so many different capacities. So I think
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Speaker 1: reinforcing her thought leadership around this. You know, she's seen
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Speaker 1: it all, she's done it all, and she has endured
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Speaker 1: many cycles of economies and business and trends, and I think, again,
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Speaker 1: really grateful that she was able to come on the show.
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Speaker 1: Next up is Kathleen Griffith. We had Kathleen on the show,
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Speaker 1: founder of Grace and Coe, who gave an incredibly personal
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Speaker 1: take on self awareness in leadership and I loved how
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Speaker 1: she broke down the work of really knowing yourself in
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Speaker 1: order to lead others. She's also an incredible advocate for
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Speaker 1: women and women in the workplace. Here's Kathleen Griffith.
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Speaker 5: Ninety percent of who we are is completely subconscious. It
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Speaker 5: is all buried under the surface, and in my opinion,
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Speaker 5: to be a great leader, you have to uncover all
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Speaker 5: that lies underneath, What triggers you, what excites you, who
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Speaker 5: you really are as a leader, who you really are
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Speaker 5: as a person. And I think part of the problem
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Speaker 5: is that so many people are leading others without truly
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Speaker 5: knowing themselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what could be something if more leaders went to therapy.
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Speaker 1: That's my takeaway here. She didn't actually say therapy, but
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Speaker 1: I was like, you're talking about a therapist, right, Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I feel like there's so much therapy speak and like
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Speaker 3: our culture now and like social media, but honestly, when
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Speaker 3: the right people do therapy, it does work.
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Speaker 1: Wonders.
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Speaker 3: This is probably like my favorite, So I don't know
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Speaker 3: if I'm not to have favors, so this.
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Speaker 1: Was probably my favorite.
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Speaker 3: I think Kathleen gave us so many great insights and
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Speaker 3: I just love the psychology she brought into it and
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Speaker 3: how to really be a better person. And I always
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Speaker 3: think that, like, to be honest, it's incredibly selfish not
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Speaker 3: to better yourself because we all have to coexist. So
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Speaker 3: when you're not being a better person and you're not
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Speaker 3: like checking yourself, everyone else around you suffers. So it's
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Speaker 3: so important that if you want to lead people like
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Speaker 3: you really have to do the internal work and therapists
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Speaker 3: can't fix you overnight. Like you also have to do
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Speaker 3: the work with a therapist. So yeah, if you're going
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Speaker 3: to therapy, remember that.
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Speaker 1: I never thought of it like that, Like you're being
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Speaker 1: kind of selfish when you're not doing the work, especially
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Speaker 1: if you're the kind of person who wants to be
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Speaker 1: a leader, right, Like you want to not have therapy
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Speaker 1: and be unevolved. I never leave your house, great, fine,
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Speaker 1: but as soon as you step outside, and on top
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Speaker 1: of that, you're like, I want to be your boss.
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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but I don't want to evolve. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to understand and unpack my feelings. Yeah, that's problematic.
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Speaker 1: So thanks for Kathleen for reminding us some good old
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Speaker 1: therapy can go a very long way in leadership. And
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Speaker 1: if you're not into therapy, I mean, look, she even
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Speaker 1: talked about just like being more introspective, journaling, taking time
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Speaker 1: to do things that are outside your comfort zone outside
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Speaker 1: of work, because I think that's also very easy to do,
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Speaker 1: is just be especially when you're desiring a leadership role
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Speaker 1: that you're just work work, work, work, work, right, But
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Speaker 1: being a good leader is being well rounded. Yeah, speaking
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Speaker 1: of well rounded, Navin Jane, serial entrepreneur, came on the show.
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Speaker 1: He is currently CEO of viol but he's held so
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Speaker 1: many other CEO roles. He had such a provocative take
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Speaker 1: on expertise and why sometimes not being the expert can
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Speaker 1: actually be your superpower, your advantage. Take a listen.
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Speaker 6: My feeling is the day you become an expert in
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Speaker 6: any subject, any industry, you become useless or I would
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Speaker 6: say incrementalists in that industry.
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Speaker 1: That means the best you can be.
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Speaker 6: Is ten percent better than anyone else in the industry,
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Speaker 6: but you'll never be ten times better. To be ten
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Speaker 6: times better, you have to challenge the foundation of everything
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Speaker 6: that expert has taken it for granted. And that's the
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Speaker 6: fundamental problem is non experts come along challenge everything that
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Speaker 6: you have taken it for granted, completely, rethink and recreate
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Speaker 6: and reinvent the industry, and the whole industry gets disrupted.
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Speaker 6: And that, to me is really the power of thinking
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Speaker 6: like a naive person.
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Speaker 1: Navin Jane, CEO of Yome, also a billionaire. I would
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Speaker 1: put that in my LinkedIn profile if I was a billionaire.
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Speaker 3: I feel like that's worthy of a bullet But do
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Speaker 3: you think it's like targeted too? Like do you think
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Speaker 3: people would target you if you said, like, I'm a billionaire.
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Speaker 1: That's true, but you know there are lists. It's hard
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Speaker 1: to hide when you're a billionaire. That's true. It's hard
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Speaker 1: to hide, for sure. But I loved this interview and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't come so much through this clip, but I
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Speaker 1: really encourage everyone to go back and listen because Naven,
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Speaker 1: we weren't in the same room, but we could see
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Speaker 1: each other. Such a happy, optimistic guy. Again, could be
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Speaker 1: the billions, I'm not sure, more money, more problems, but
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Speaker 1: also more happiness I think when you get to the
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Speaker 1: billion dollar level. But I think he's had this from
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Speaker 1: birth because he wasn't someone who came from means at all,
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Speaker 1: like he talked about growing up in poverty in India.
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Speaker 1: Brilliant bright Man came to the US and quickly kind
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Speaker 1: of got absorbed by industry here. I mean, he's so smart.
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Speaker 1: It was also during like tech boom and all of that,
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Speaker 1: so he's worked with greats like Bill Gates, and so
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Speaker 1: no surprise that he became very successful because he is
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Speaker 1: such a brilliant mind. But also I think like a
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Speaker 1: guy that I want to hang out with, have a
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Speaker 1: coffee with, because he just has so many stories but
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Speaker 1: has such this positive take on life, which I think
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Speaker 1: after maybe being a serial entrepreneur, you know, you could
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Speaker 1: get a little hardened absolutely after a while running one business,
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Speaker 1: let alone many is very difficult. Yeah, that seems really tiring.
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Speaker 3: And he's the type of person that gets up at
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Speaker 3: like four am and doesn't work out and all that
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Speaker 3: stuff so much.
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Speaker 1: Zest for life so much.
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Speaker 3: And I will say Kathleen's episode was my favorite, but
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Speaker 3: Navine was the most interesting person maybe I've ever met.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: He was so interesting.
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Speaker 3: It was so exciting to hear his takes on everything
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Speaker 3: and how like he challenges himself to like not be
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Speaker 3: stagnant and always looking to build another business, and his
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Speaker 3: thought process of like you have to do good in
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Speaker 3: the world. I loved when he said, like money doesn't
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Speaker 3: make you a bad person or something. He was like,
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Speaker 3: those people are already bad people. Money just like elevated.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we agreed on that. So having worked in personal
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Speaker 1: finance for so long, I've developed this inkling, which is
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Speaker 1: that someone who arrives at money, a lot of money,
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Speaker 1: let's say, and suddenly is like very generous or contraste,
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Speaker 1: very greedy. Like the money didn't make them that way.
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Speaker 1: Money is just a tool. It was in them always
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Speaker 1: to be that person. And I think you can be
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Speaker 1: generous and greedy without money, right, you can be generous
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Speaker 1: with your time with your compassion, and you can also
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Speaker 1: be very greedy with your time and your lack of compassion.
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Speaker 1: And essentially, the thesis is that more money makes you
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Speaker 1: more of who you really are. Oh wow, isn't that
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Speaker 1: something I think it's worthy of a debate. But I
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Speaker 1: was excited to know that I and a billionaire shared that. Vie,
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Speaker 1: you have the billionaire minds. I guess, yeah, there's hope
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Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, We'll be right back. Next up, my
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Speaker 1: friend Claude Silver joined us on the pod chief Heart
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Speaker 1: Officer a vayner X. She spoke to the humanside of
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Speaker 1: leadership in our time together, and she talks about building
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Speaker 1: a culture that feels kind and connected but also ambitious.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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Speaker 7: The eye has to be on the prize, and the
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Speaker 7: prize is, yes, having a healthy culture and having people
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Speaker 7: that want to work and that make friends that I'm
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Speaker 7: devoted to in a place that's kind and there's camaraderie,
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Speaker 7: but I'm also devoted to being successful. I want everyone
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Speaker 7: to be able to get the rays that they're looking
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Speaker 7: for and to get the promotion. But that only happens
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Speaker 7: when the organism is working together. It takes a village.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it takes a village. That was Claude Silver, Chief
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Speaker 1: Heart Officer A vayner X And firstly, I love Claude.
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Speaker 1: She's been a friend for years, and I just knew
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Speaker 1: she was going to bring so much important wisdom to
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Speaker 1: the show around the value of kindness at work in
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Speaker 1: a world when we can feel like everything is so transactional,
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Speaker 1: everything can be hurtful, sometimes insensitive. And she said, I
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Speaker 1: think when she was growing up her nickname was Heart.
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Speaker 1: Her grandmother called her Heart. Yeah, so now fast forward today,
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Speaker 1: that's actually in her professional title, and that was not
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Speaker 1: always her goal, Like no one wakes up going one
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Speaker 1: day I'd like to be a Chief Heart Officer. She
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Speaker 1: talked also about being very lost in her twenties, not
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Speaker 1: knowing what she wanted to pursue. So I thought that
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Speaker 1: was really relatable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could just tell, like Claude has such a
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Speaker 3: great spirit. It just comes off so well. And it
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Speaker 3: takes a village, as something we always hear mostly with
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Speaker 3: like raising kids, I feel like, but it really does
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Speaker 3: take a village for like anything to be successful, Like
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Speaker 3: you need community in your life, and you need community
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Speaker 3: and your work spot as well. And I love that
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Speaker 3: she said, being like heart officer, leading with the heart
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Speaker 3: is not soft, it's really essential. And at the end
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Speaker 3: of the day, I think we're all people, and I
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Speaker 3: think we need to realize that none of us were
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Speaker 3: asked to put on this earth, but we are on
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Speaker 3: this earth, and we do need to co exist, and
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Speaker 3: we need to just remember to have empathy. And I
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Speaker 3: do think if leaders lead with empathy, it's just gonna
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Speaker 3: work so much better in their favor.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's studies now that show how financially important it
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Speaker 1: is to be empathetic a work, and I know that
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Speaker 1: some people, for them, whether they're going to pursue one
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Speaker 1: path over another, comes down to the dollars and cents
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Speaker 1: of it. And guess what, There is real value not
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Speaker 1: just sort of social value, but financial value in being
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Speaker 1: a kind and empathetic person at work and practicing that
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Speaker 1: at work. It's also contagious. Empathy is contagious. I learned
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Speaker 1: that from a really important book called The War for Kindness.
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Speaker 1: Jamie Zaki, Stanford scientist, wrote a book about building empathy
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Speaker 1: in a fractured world. There's more bodies of work coming
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Speaker 1: out about this and science behind this. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a great place to be doing some research. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna take a look at this. It looks
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Speaker 1: really great. Next up, we had Marissa Thalberg on the
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Speaker 1: show CCO and CMO of Catalyst Brands. She shared an
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Speaker 1: honest take on trust and authenticity and leadership. She talked
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Speaker 1: about not infantilizing your team and treating people like adults. Amen,
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Speaker 1: take a listen. My leadership style is to be real
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 8: I really don't like when leaders have made me feel
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Speaker 8: like they're infantilizing you. Of course, it doesn't mean everyone
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Speaker 8: needs to know everything at all times. But trust comes
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Speaker 8: out of authenticity. And that's true for me as a
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Speaker 8: marketer and how I build a relationship with consumers. It's
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Speaker 8: also true for me as a leader and how I
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Speaker 8: build relationships with teams and colleagues.
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Speaker 1: She's talking about this in the context I believe we
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Speaker 1: were talking about the many different kinds of cmos or
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Speaker 1: marketing roles she's had at various companies and different industries.
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Speaker 1: You know, she just has had like such a diverse
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Speaker 1: range of corporate experience, and she's like, look, I don't
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Speaker 1: have all the answers all the time, and my job
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Speaker 1: when I start a new job is not to like
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Speaker 1: pretend like I know everything. It's actually to be curious,
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Speaker 1: ask questions, do some research, because that's only how I'll
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Speaker 1: actually perform well at this job. And then the question was,
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Speaker 1: you know there's people that are not rooting for you
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Speaker 1: when you arrive at a job and they're like, how
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Speaker 1: are you doing this? You are in a different industry.
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Speaker 1: How do you kind of balance showing that you are
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Speaker 1: an expert but also that you know you're being strategically curious.
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Speaker 1: I guess. And her answer to that question, well, you'll
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Speaker 1: have to listen to get the whole spiel, but it
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Speaker 1: was a good answer.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was such a great episode. And we've talked
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Speaker 3: about authenticy a lot, but it's so important and it's
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Speaker 3: so important for leadership, and it's scary taking on a
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Speaker 3: new job, especially if you're in a different industry. But
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Speaker 3: I think there's a balance, like me said, of you know,
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Speaker 3: not just coming in and changing everything, but also like
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Speaker 3: being curious and asking those questions.
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Speaker 1: All right, moving on to Danielle Weisberg and Carly Zaken.
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Speaker 1: You may know their names. They have the co founders
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Speaker 1: and co CEOs of the Skim and they have been
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Speaker 1: through it all. They actually recently sold their company, and
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Speaker 1: they talked a little bit about the road to that,
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Speaker 1: the really hard days as leaders and having to put
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Speaker 1: on your game face during those hard times. Take a listen.
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Speaker 9: It was such a hard moment to like have a
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Speaker 9: disappointing work day where you just kind of want to
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Speaker 9: cry and like tell your friend or whomever, and then
19:43
Speaker 9: also have to go out and then be in front
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Speaker 9: of the team and be like, everything's fine, lunch is here,
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Speaker 9: and not let them know. And I think those moments
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Speaker 9: are the ones that make you strong. They're the ones
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Speaker 9: where you learn to have a game face. They're the
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Speaker 9: ones where you learn what's a big problem versus a
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Speaker 9: solvable problem, and also learn what kind of partners you
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Speaker 9: want around the table with you.
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Speaker 1: You know, I asked the co founders, Zaken and Weisberg,
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Speaker 1: knowing what you know now having had this acquisition thirteen years,
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Speaker 1: I think into the business, what would you do differently?
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Speaker 1: And Danielle Weisberg said, everything that was intended to be
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Speaker 1: a cliffhanger. You need to go back and listen to
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Speaker 1: that episode to hear why she said that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like most people wouldn't say that most
20:30
Speaker 3: people be like, I wouldn't change a thing.
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Speaker 1: It was all meant to be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, everything happens for a reason. But she had such
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Speaker 3: an honest answer and I respect that, Like, yeah, if
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Speaker 3: I knew things differently, like I would change it. And
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Speaker 3: they've had such an expiring story, Like I've always been
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Speaker 3: a huge fan of the skim'll subscribe to it, like
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Speaker 3: writing college. And I always thought it was interesting how they,
20:52
Speaker 3: you know, worked at NBC and was like, we're never
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Speaker 3: going to get promoted unless someone dies because it's such
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Speaker 3: an old company. I remember they said that in an
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Speaker 3: interview and I was like, WHOA that really like shaped
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Speaker 3: my experience. I'm like thinking about what job's to get
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Speaker 3: because I'm like I don't want to have to wait
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Speaker 3: till someone dies to get promoted. But I love that
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Speaker 3: they carved their own path to really connect with an
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Speaker 3: audience or really stayed true to like connecting with young women,
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Speaker 3: and like you could really tell that they just are
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Speaker 3: really passionate about that, and I really admire that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and they've been through so much together
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Speaker 1: as business owners but also as friends and then as mothers,
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Speaker 1: And every time I think of them, I just think,
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Speaker 1: like They're the real deal and they did it, and
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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see that they have this new
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Speaker 1: chapter for the skim all right. Last, but not least,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Surhant came on leading by example. He is the
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Speaker 1: founder of Sir Hant, the Mega real Estate Empire. You
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Speaker 1: may also know him from his Bravo days, maybe before that,
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Speaker 1: his hand modeling days. Yes, that is true. In this clip,
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Speaker 1: Ryan talks about flexibility in leadership, and I really loved
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Speaker 1: his admission that he doesn't always like new ideas at first,
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Speaker 1: but he's willing to change his mind. Take a listen.
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Speaker 10: I go into a lot of meetings with my staff, okay,
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Speaker 10: and they've got lots of ideas, and I don't like
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Speaker 10: most of them until like two weeks later I decide
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Speaker 10: I do because I learn new things, new information. I
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Speaker 10: reserve the right to change my mind. I am not
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Speaker 10: a stubborn I try not to be anyway a stubborn leader.
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Speaker 10: Where my way is the highway. I think our growth
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Speaker 10: is indicative of my listening to smarter people about their
22:30
Speaker 10: specific niches, and I try to find people who are
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Speaker 10: uniquely qualified to do what they do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of echoes a little bit of Naviene
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Speaker 1: Jane's ideas around not pretending like you're the expert and
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Speaker 1: that you don't have to be an expert in everything,
22:47
Speaker 1: that you lean on your team and hopefully you've cultivated
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Speaker 1: the right team or some of the right people to
22:53
Speaker 1: lead you down smarter and better paths. And I also
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Speaker 1: appreciate that he's anti rigidity. I think, you know, as humans,
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Speaker 1: we like boundaries, we like rules, They're important, but sometimes
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Speaker 1: we have to break them. We have to break our
23:06
Speaker 1: own rules. We have to surprise ourselves and be willing
23:10
Speaker 1: to show that in front of our team and our employees,
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Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, I was wrong about that,
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Speaker 1: because who's not wrong a lot?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, that's so good. I love how
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Speaker 3: he also talked about like reserving the right to change
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Speaker 3: your mind, like we're all humans hopefully, like we said,
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Speaker 3: we're all evolving and we all, you know, will change
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Speaker 3: our mind eventually. And I think we can all respect
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Speaker 3: a leader who's like, hey, actually I thought it was
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Speaker 3: this way, but really maybe we could do it this way.
23:37
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, I feel like that goes for like
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Speaker 3: opinions people. You know, we're all evolving, so like you
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Speaker 3: shouldn't have the same mindset at like twenty four versus
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Speaker 3: fifty four, I would hope and Ryan Sarhant moves quick.
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Speaker 1: So I think that where some people might wallow in
23:54
Speaker 1: the fact that, oh I had it wrong and now
23:56
Speaker 1: I have to pivot, and with that comes maybe some
23:59
Speaker 1: shape or an admission that I had it wrong. And
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Speaker 1: there's that that I have to carry with me into
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Speaker 1: this and people are going to be doubting me. It's like,
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is the pace. It's like, oh
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Speaker 1: that's wrong or oh that is actually right. Let's move,
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Speaker 1: let's do it like. He doesn't waste time, he doesn't
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Speaker 1: sit in whatever that is that we all can get
24:17
Speaker 1: stuck in, you know, that wallowing in that misstep, decisiveness, indecisiveness. Right,
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Speaker 1: he keeps moving and that means he fails faster than
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Speaker 1: anyone else. And I think that sometimes is what gets
24:29
Speaker 1: you to success faster. Yeah, for sure. Well, if there's
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Speaker 1: one thing all these conversations had in common, it was
24:35
Speaker 1: the idea that leadership is really about growth and service,
24:38
Speaker 1: pushing yourself to learn and supporting others to do their
24:42
Speaker 1: best work. And with that being said, we want to
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. And for supporting leading
24:47
Speaker 1: by example. If you're feeling inspired by these clips, please
24:51
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the full conversations in season
24:54
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