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Normally Podcast: The Joy is GONE at MSNBC · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, our normally friends. Welcome back to normally the.
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  Speaker 2: Show with normalish takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine Ham.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Carol Marcowitz.
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  Speaker 4: Hi Mary Catherine. How's it going.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I just did that thing that you, as a mom
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  Speaker 2: will recognize, which is that I finally had lunch with
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  Speaker 2: my friend who I had said I should have lunch
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  Speaker 2: with for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody actually did that. I know we
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  Speaker 3: talk about doing it, but that's impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I know none of our kids were sick. We managed
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  Speaker 2: to make it out of the house at the same
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  Speaker 2: time and voila huge lunch.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. I feel like you should write it up to
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  Speaker 3: let the rest of us know how it's done.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just do a substack on that. How do you
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  Speaker 1: have lunch with your friend?
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it would go viral?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, so maybe I should Okay tips for me on that.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get on it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: The big news in the media world is that MSNBC
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  Speaker 3: has fired Joy Reid and actually conservative media as hard
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  Speaker 3: as hit, because what are we going to do with
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  Speaker 3: that Joy Reid to mock.
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  Speaker 1: I know it is tough.
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  Speaker 2: There will be so so many fewer clips for us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, already, yeah, Mattl's already in there to fill
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  Speaker 2: the gap though, because she with her twenty five million
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  Speaker 2: dollar salary for doing several shows a week, was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is very disappointing. We shouldn't leave her,
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  Speaker 2: we shouldn't let her walk out the door. I find
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  Speaker 2: it unjustifiable. And then she alluded to it being racism
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  Speaker 2: because she said she's one of the few hosts of
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  Speaker 2: color missing entirely. The network is replacing her with two
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  Speaker 2: African American hosts and a Hispanic woman.
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  Speaker 3: Right, But if you point that out, then you're saying
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  Speaker 3: that they're interchangeable.
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  Speaker 4: So there's no there's no way to win this.
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  Speaker 2: Calvin ball with the left. It's by the way, Michael Steele,
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  Speaker 2: former head of the r n C, Simone Sanders, a
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  Speaker 2: former Bernie Sanders spokeswoman, and Alicia Mennindez.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and then MSNBC is restructuring in general. It's not
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  Speaker 3: just about joy. They also acted weekend shows hosted by
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  Speaker 3: Amen Moe Yieldin, Jonathan kpe Haart, Katie Fang, and Jose
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  Speaker 3: Diaz Blart and I have to admit I don't know
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  Speaker 3: some of those names, and I would think that if
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  Speaker 3: you have shows on television, I would know those names.
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  Speaker 3: But it goes to the point that MSNBC has really
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  Speaker 3: been struggling. Their numbers are down forty one percent twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four, and Joy specifically had a fifty three percent
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  Speaker 3: decline in post election viewership. She was racist and kind
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  Speaker 3: of crazy, and for some reason, that's not selling anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm look, I think a lot of people who
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  Speaker 2: are on the losing end of this election want to
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  Speaker 2: sort of cocoon. They want to not be on the
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  Speaker 2: outrage roller coaster with Mattout and Joy Reid, and so
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  Speaker 2: they are not tuning in. I also, I think there
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  Speaker 2: might just be fewer of them who have an appetite
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  Speaker 2: for that at this point. At this point, Republicans are
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  Speaker 2: outnumbering self identified Democrats in this country, and more Democrats
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  Speaker 2: watch Fox News then watch MSNBC and c in it
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  Speaker 2: like the fashion is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Every time I say it, I have
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  Speaker 1: to check it because I'm like, is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Is it still true? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: But I think they just came out with new numbers
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  Speaker 2: recently that showed that certainly in the demo, which is
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  Speaker 2: why smart Democrats go to Fox News to like talk
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  Speaker 2: to those people.
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  Speaker 4: Right, makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Because you got to.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have a little montage of some of
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  Speaker 2: Joy's best work, shall we hear ye?
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  Speaker 5: Take a deep breath for just a moment and ponder,
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  Speaker 5: big balls.
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  Speaker 1: Can just be clear.
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  Speaker 6: I got into Harvard only because of a fermative action.
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  Speaker 1: It was, to put it.
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  Speaker 6: Mildly, a celebration of the very thing the American right
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  Speaker 6: has turned into its latest anti wokeness boogeyman, diversity, equity,
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  Speaker 6: and inclusion. To any of you guys, I trust Uncle
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  Speaker 6: Clarence and Amy Coney Barrett. In America and only in America,
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  Speaker 6: you are literally rolling the dice every time you leave
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  Speaker 6: your house. They are radicalizing those people, particularly when they're
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  Speaker 6: radicalizing young people. That's how we talk about the way
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  Speaker 6: Muslims act. When you see what Donald Trump is doing,
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  Speaker 6: is that any different.
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  Speaker 4: Congress needs to get it done.
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  Speaker 1: Got in another fucking war. I stopped using Twitter quite
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago.
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  Speaker 5: I don't tweet.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to give elon any content, but every
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  Speaker 1: so often I.
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  Speaker 6: Would check it just as an aggregate.
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  Speaker 4: This is a.
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  Speaker 2: Mess and not even a normal mess.
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  Speaker 5: It's a fascistic mess. I have to say I did
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  Speaker 5: not go out on July fourth and would not. The
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  Speaker 5: idea of going to a mass gathering, a parade or
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  Speaker 5: a big fireworks thing outside seems insane to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, craziness, We're the crazy ones.
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  Speaker 2: She wore a purple MSNBC branded tracksuit on her last night, which,
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  Speaker 2: like pois for creativity. Also odd to don the corporate
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  Speaker 2: logo of the place that just canned you, It seems
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  Speaker 2: an odd choice.
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  Speaker 3: She always a crying video after the fact, talking about
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  Speaker 3: all the issues that she thinks got her fired, which
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it was the issues that I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that it's because leftism exists. It's because she was
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  Speaker 3: unable to be a good messenger for those issues. And again,
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  Speaker 3: crazy and kind of racist or racist and kind of
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  Speaker 3: crazy just isn't selling like it used.
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  Speaker 2: To well, And I will never forget that in twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 2: this is a vintage scandal. I love that someone uncovered
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  Speaker 2: her two thousand and seven to two thousand and nine blogging.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't that hard to uncover. I mean, she put
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  Speaker 2: it in public on something called the Read Report, so
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like it was under a mysterious name or anything.
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  Speaker 2: But she at that time made some posts that were
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  Speaker 2: homophobic about Charlie christ, the then Florida governor. She made
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  Speaker 2: some anti smittic remarks, some kind of racist, kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, we see a pattern here. When this
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  Speaker 2: was found out, she sort of kind of apologized, and
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  Speaker 2: then she also sort of kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of said it was a hacked.
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  Speaker 2: She was hacked somehow. That person had gone back to
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven to two thousand and nine. I
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  Speaker 2: was just saying, hackers, just say like I had. I
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  Speaker 2: was younger, I had different takes. I was unwise putting
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  Speaker 2: all of this online in this form, and like I'm
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  Speaker 2: different now. I mean, no, among she said she was
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  Speaker 2: hacked and the FBI was going to get to the
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  Speaker 2: bottom of it.
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  Speaker 4: They're still working on it. I think around the clock.
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  Speaker 2: Cash is actually in charge of that investigation now. So
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  Speaker 2: so that was sort of in twenty eighteen. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: so this is just a These are the news people
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  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to trust. Is the people who outright lie
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  Speaker 2: to my face when they're caught in the same exact
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  Speaker 2: stuff that they try to fish out about normal, regular
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  Speaker 2: civilian people all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, those people do get fired and they do lose
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  Speaker 3: opportunities enjoy just got to go on and pretend it
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  Speaker 3: was a hack that you know, they're going to get
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  Speaker 3: to the bottom of some at some point. You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: That was a telling moment where it was like they
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  Speaker 3: could do things that we cannot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes in light of that.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, this might make a decent segue to
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  Speaker 2: our second part of our press segment, which is that
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  Speaker 2: the White House is We've talked about them going after
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  Speaker 2: the AP and saying, you know, you can't have your
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  Speaker 2: spot in this pool or in on Air Force one
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  Speaker 2: because you're using Gulf of Mexico instead of Golf of America.
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  Speaker 1: Although I think.
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  Speaker 2: This is petty, I also think it does potentially have
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  Speaker 2: First Amendment implications because the name they're using is speech
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  Speaker 2: and this is a government ento team making these rules. However,
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  Speaker 2: a judge who the AP asked for immediate relief on this,
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  Speaker 2: Judge Trevor McFadden, did not grant it. I'm a little
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  Speaker 2: bit surprised by that. He says he didn't find he
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  Speaker 2: didn't find any reason to immediately stop the administration's ban
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  Speaker 2: but he said that case laws seemed to be against it.
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  Speaker 2: So I think if they move forward with this as
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  Speaker 2: they will, they will very likely lose. The filing said
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  Speaker 2: that just because this is from the White House or
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  Speaker 2: from the government, just because the AP may have long
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  Speaker 2: received special media access to the president, does not mean
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  Speaker 2: that such access is constitutionally compelled in perpetuity. Again, I
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  Speaker 2: think they'll probably lose this and should. However, I understand
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  Speaker 2: there is not a great well of support for the AP,
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  Speaker 2: who I will nonetheless stick up for.
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  Speaker 3: There was also do it for you.
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  Speaker 1: No, they definitely wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Ye. Another development in this area is that and this
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  Speaker 2: is just breaking So I do not know all the details, admittedly,
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  Speaker 2: But Caroline Levitt from the podium said today or made
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  Speaker 2: some reference to the fact that the White House Correspondents Association,
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  Speaker 2: which generally creates the pool that goes to events, that
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  Speaker 2: designates who goes where, because of course they have to
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  Speaker 2: have a limited pool at times that they will no
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  Speaker 2: longer be deciding the pool. The White House will be
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  Speaker 2: deciding the pool, so they'll make a decision who comes, right.
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  Speaker 3: Why was there a separate organization deciding which media outlets
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  Speaker 3: get access to the president.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so I don't think they'll get to decide.
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  Speaker 2: I think the White House Correspondence associations still would have
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  Speaker 2: some sway. I think the concern is that if the
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  Speaker 2: White House decides, then what happens is you know exactly
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  Speaker 2: what to say to get favor with the White House
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  Speaker 2: to get access to these events. Now, there is a
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  Speaker 2: version of this that happens all the time in Washington
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  Speaker 2: with the Biden administration. Say what they want and you
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  Speaker 2: get access to their officials. This is access journalism. Happens
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  Speaker 2: all the time as usual. The Trump administration is making
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  Speaker 2: this much more explicit. And I don't like this one either,
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  Speaker 2: But again, nobody's going to stick up for these rights.
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  Speaker 3: Cool, right, what was the last four years about? What
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  Speaker 3: was Biden's little Oh it's on which orders to call on?
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  Speaker 3: And they already knew what he was going to be
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  Speaker 3: asked and all of that.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to.
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  Speaker 3: Be very hard for them to say, oh no, now
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  Speaker 3: we have to have kind of a range of voices
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  Speaker 3: here what he buys it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Again, the public doesn't care.
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  Speaker 2: I think if they can keep that pool actually diverse, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's good. I do worry that the messages get in
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  Speaker 2: line or else you don't get access. Now, amazingly, a
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  Speaker 2: press corps will suddenly find its backbone and not get
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  Speaker 2: in line for a Republican administration.
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  Speaker 1: By administration like whatever you need, whatever you need, man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just call us, just just call on me.
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  Speaker 1: Do you need me to read this specific question? Do
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  Speaker 1: you do you need me to give you the answer
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  Speaker 1: to the question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do quite the same, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Reaction from them with a Republican no.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see where it goes in the court. I imagine
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  Speaker 2: that they'll lose all these Ye, you're right though.
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  Speaker 3: It was the transparency that's the problem.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: If the Trump administration just said we don't want the
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  Speaker 3: ap here because we don't have space, right, they could
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  Speaker 3: have gotten rid of them easily. But they're like, no,
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  Speaker 3: we need them to say what we want them to say.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be that's gonna be tougher in court.
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  Speaker 1: You are going to always know what they're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice, we'll be right back on normally. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I have to tell you that our number one fan,
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  Speaker 3: and that's my husband, says that we've been talking about
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  Speaker 3: Doge too much. Oh yeah, we're gonna we're gonna and
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  Speaker 3: not listen to him and just blow right through that
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  Speaker 3: stop sign and do another segment on.
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  Speaker 2: Doge on that point, can I say that I think
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  Speaker 2: part of the design is for Doge to always be
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  Speaker 2: this shiny object.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because, as we will.
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  Speaker 2: Discuss in our next next topic, other things are happening
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  Speaker 2: that you might miss because Doge is so shiny, and
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I might be falling for it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit because it is a fun story.
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  Speaker 3: Same right, And I do feel like I, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just being online and hearing from people, I think those
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  Speaker 3: remains what people are interested in. And maybe again maybe
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  Speaker 3: they're also going for the shiny object.
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  Speaker 4: But it is quite.
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  Speaker 1: Shiny, it is, indeed.
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  Speaker 3: So yesterday Harvard Harris released a poll that absolutely astounds me.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy percent of Americans. The question is do you think
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  Speaker 3: that the government expenditures are basically fair and reasonable or
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  Speaker 3: do you think they are filled with waste, fraud and inefficiency?
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  Speaker 3: And seventy percent said filled with waste, fraud and inefficiency.
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  Speaker 3: And then the next question was do you support or
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  Speaker 3: oppose the goal of cutting a trillion one trillion dollars
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  Speaker 3: of government expenditures? Sixty nine percent Nice support. Then, do
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  Speaker 3: you think there should be a US government agency focused
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  Speaker 3: on efficiency initiatives or not? Seventy two percent said yes.
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  Speaker 3: And finally, do you think the so called Department of
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  Speaker 3: Government Efficiency DOGE, led by Elon Musk, is helping make
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  Speaker 3: major cuts and government expenditures are not? Sixty percent said
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  Speaker 3: that they were making major cuts. These are astronomical numbers.
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  Speaker 3: You cannot get sixty to seventy percent of American's degree
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  Speaker 3: in anything.
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  Speaker 4: This is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: No. I think that one of the problems that our
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  Speaker 2: friends on the left run into is that something like
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  Speaker 2: the Elon email, or something like the idea of cutting
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  Speaker 2: a trillion when we have a four trillion dollar a
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  Speaker 2: year budget and a thirty nine trillion dollar debt.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like common sense.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, our buddy Brian Stelter over at CNN set
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  Speaker 2: on air the other day, I know these things sound
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  Speaker 2: these are things are nonsense, but they sound like common sense.
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  Speaker 2: To that, I say, hear me out. Perhaps they are
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  Speaker 2: closer to common sense than they are to sense. And
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  Speaker 2: that is what Americans are picking up on, because in
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  Speaker 2: order to do what the federal government does, it has
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  Speaker 2: to be allowed to do things private citizens and private
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  Speaker 2: businesses absolutely cannot to run rampant and do often illegal
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  Speaker 2: things without ever being checked. And people look at that
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  Speaker 2: and they go feel like, if I pulled this on
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  Speaker 2: the irs, that wouldn't go well for me, right, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's a completely different standard. And what happens is that
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  Speaker 2: Washington and people who live in it, and many of
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  Speaker 2: whom benefit from it, say, I don't know, you guys
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  Speaker 2: just don't understand how important and complex this is. The
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  Speaker 2: American people sometimes go, I feel like, you don't understand
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  Speaker 2: how important and complex my finances are for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's the trick.
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  Speaker 4: Of this, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I think you know, I said on our
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday episode that I think Americans are in fa favor
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  Speaker 3: of all this, and I see the reaction from them
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  Speaker 3: being very positive towards these DOGE cuts and policies and ideas.
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  Speaker 3: I think that when they find out what we're spending
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  Speaker 3: money on, they are kind of horrified. But having it
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  Speaker 3: in data, having it in a poll like that, I'm
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  Speaker 3: still amazed at.
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  Speaker 4: How high that number is.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it would be like fifty five forty five,
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  Speaker 3: which would be high for America, But the fact that
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  Speaker 3: we're in the seventies of approval of this. I think
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  Speaker 3: the Brian Stelters of the world need to understand that
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  Speaker 3: Americans don't see this as nonsense, and they see this
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  Speaker 3: as very necessary work, and they appreciate that it's getting done.
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  Speaker 2: A note of caution for DOGE is that Musk is
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  Speaker 2: less popular than the idea right. So a Washington Post
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  Speaker 2: poll found thirty four percent of respondents said they approved
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  Speaker 2: of how Musk was handling his job fifty five fifty
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  Speaker 2: five percent said that he has too much power in
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  Speaker 2: making decisions. So a couple of polls are there's a
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  Speaker 2: handful that are about like evenly split or not great
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  Speaker 2: for him, so to the extent that he's the face
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  Speaker 2: and he continues to tweet policy that could wear thin
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  Speaker 2: more than the mission does.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And it's also look, is it possible that the
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  Speaker 3: left is going to get under Donald Trump's skin with
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  Speaker 3: this whole President Musk thing and they're going to fall apart.
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  Speaker 3: That's very plausible. It could happen. I hope it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: I hope that they have a lifelong friendship that definitely
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  Speaker 3: definitely doesn't end in disaster during this administration. But it's
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  Speaker 3: all very plausible.
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  Speaker 2: I think. Another thing to remember is that the not
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  Speaker 2: only are there shakeups in any administration where people serve
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  Speaker 2: for two years and then they leave, those is only
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  Speaker 2: supposed to last two years. Yeah right, it had an
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  Speaker 2: expiration date on it. Trump had an inordinate number of
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  Speaker 2: chiefs of staff of secretaries of defense during his first
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  Speaker 2: his first time around. One of the things I like
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  Speaker 2: about a Trump administration versus a Biden administration, although it
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  Speaker 2: can get excessive, is that I know he'll fire somebody
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  Speaker 2: if they do something that if Afghanistan happened on his watch,
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  Speaker 2: he would fire someone, right, and he lost.
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  Speaker 4: To fire people. That's how we know him.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, that's that's the catchphrase.
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  Speaker 2: So he had a lot of churn in his first administration,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: or I would say too much, because they were not
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: really prepared and didn't know what they wanted. This time
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: is much more prepared, but I would expect to churn.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: There are going to be people that's gonna happen who
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Trump decides you're not doing it, You're fired.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Right, It's absolutely coming. And I bet, like you say,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: because he's prone to it, it'll happen sooner rather than later.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: It's not going to be necessarily a to year, you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: stint Again, I hope it's not Elon because I like
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: this bromance that they've got going on, and I like
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: the work that Elon is doing, and I get that
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: he rubs people the wrong way.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: I see it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's understandable to me, but I give him
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt because I think that what
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: he's doing is important and I happen to support it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm the same way, but I also have a
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: sliding scale of like what I'm willing to tolerate in
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: your public behavior based on what you're bringing to the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: table as an industrial genius who has changed three different industries. Like,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm willing to understand that you're quirky. Yeah, you're
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: going to sleep in a cut on the cut, You're
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: going to be staying up all night, You're going to
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: be saying crazy things in public. I don't love it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going to.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Be having But I'm with Randos, but I'm I'm willing
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: to like take some of this as part of the package.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: It should also be noted some people are like, oh,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: he doesn't do any public service, that's what the like
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the Union said about him, he's ever done an hour
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of on his public service. He's currently rescuing our astronauts
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: because NASA cannot do it. So I would argue he
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: gets credit for like at least a week of honest
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: public service just for that, and I appreciate that he's
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: there to offer that service.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the fact that he may get these
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: people home.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I feel like that will get.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Him a lot of hours of community service and you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: fulfill the oblication on the form. Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I noticed someone noted that the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: media had changed the verbiage on those astronauts from like
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: they were no longer calling them stranded because they didn't
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: want to allow for the narrative that what's happening is happening,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: which is Elon Musk is like, let me pull your
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: US government.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I can't believe that's gone on as
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: long as it has. I think we need to do
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: a segment on that in the future.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: Lot.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how do they just toss some astronauts up into
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: space and not know how to get them down?
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we should do is the mover important part.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It's like anyone could just toss astronauts up into the sky.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: It's the returning them.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: That is the whole thing.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, returning the astronauts. Anyone could hold the astronauts.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, Elon's going to do that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's hope.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: We're going to take a short break and come right
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: back with normally sour.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: In case you missed it, today is an executive order,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to read the name and say very
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: honestly that I don't understand, and you're going to tell
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: us about it. So it's ensuring lawful governance and implementing
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the President's Department of Government Efficiency de Regulatory Initiative, Yes
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Basically, what this does is allow for the opportunity for deregulation,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and this executive order is pretty wide ranging.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: In every agency. They have sixty days.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: To identify rules that meet certain criteria and submit them
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: for recision or revision. Right, and that these these would
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: be like things with unconstitutional or extra constitutional powers, things
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that are not deemed to hew closely to the original
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: legislation that was passed, in which case that's a lot
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of regulations. Basically, it's going to catch a bunch of
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: stuff and they're going to send it along to be
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: revised or taken out of the rule book entirely, which
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: would make things much smoother for a lot of different industries.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: They're going to do it across all the agencies. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: was following a constitutional lawyer friend of mine on Twitter
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: who flagged it for me, and he's like, you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: these kind of things are a big deal, and it's written, well,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it's there's thought given to this and the process by
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: which they're going to do it. There is another one
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that's in my in case you missed it pile. That
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: is an executive orders, an executive order that aims to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: streamline environmental reviews. So this one, it would basically there's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a group you've never heard of called the Council on
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Environmental Quality that was established as part of the NEPA,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: which is a big environmental bill passed in like nineteen
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: sixty nine, and CEQ was formed to create environmental regulations
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: for all the agencies. And as you can imagine with
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: any government board, they got pretty out of hand and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: they start writing a bunch of stuff that now probably
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't probably they shouldn't write. It was originally intended
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: to advise the Executive branch on environmental matters.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But now they're.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Basically saying, let's go through and get rid of the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: many hundreds of pages that are keeping people from doing business,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: from building things. Some studies suggest that the CEQ has
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: found that it's regulations cause projects to be in court
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: for four point five years and require many hundreds of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: pages of environmental impact statement to just even hit the ground, right,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And so it's not just the regulations, it's then the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: litigation on top of it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: The federal government usually.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Wins and like things, they can end up being built.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But like, it's.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Crazy the amount that we put up with here that
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: people don't know exists. That is part of rising, raising
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the cost of everything we do, and I think on
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: energy and on general business. These are the executive orders
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that might actually change the reality on the ground, that
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: might change the economy, that might change inflation to get
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: people to where they need to be.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: So they're not sexy, but they are actually useful.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: That's nice.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I like, that's exactly what I want from the government. Actually,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: less sexy, more useful.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Right, See, this is the thing we shouldn't be distracted.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Right, Let's stop focusing on the shiny items. Mary Catherine Oh.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: And by the way, as usual, you won't be surprised
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to hear this. This is Reason magazine reporting. If I
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: did not say that, but the government, when it's convenient,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: we'll just waive all of these regulations, which shows you that, like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: maybe they're not as vital as they have suggested to us.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: The Obama administration fast tracked the NEPA process for more
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: than one hundred and seventy nine thousand stimulus Package projects
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: because they wanted them built.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so environmental regulations out the window.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's situational.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Right, let's get more of those tossed and.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Get to work.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: That's one way to cut Thank you for.
• 24:55
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