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Bride Dies in Wedding Dress: Perp Whines Over TV Remote & Meatballs · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greasee.
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  Speaker 2: Does it never end with this woman? Twenty five year
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  Speaker 2: old Jamie Lee Komarowski, drunk driver who plows into a
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  Speaker 2: newlywed couple.
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  Speaker 3: The bride ends up.
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  Speaker 2: Dead in her wedding dress. And what do we hear
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  Speaker 2: from the defendant behind bars? Me me me me me
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  Speaker 2: me me me me me me me.
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  Speaker 3: Me me me. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing about the dead woman, about the groom who has
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  Speaker 2: life altering injuries. She is complaining about everything from the
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  Speaker 2: food which was last day looked meat balls, hot dogs.
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  Speaker 3: And fresh bread. That sounds good to me.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I would come in from working somebody would
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  Speaker 2: have meatballs, hot dogs and fresh bread for me. But
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  Speaker 2: that's not good enough for Jamie Lee Kamarowski. She's complaining
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  Speaker 2: that she can't hold.
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  Speaker 3: The TV remote.
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  Speaker 2: Really, let me rephrase this woman who plows into a
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  Speaker 2: bride and groom, literally leaving the wedding reception drunk as
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  Speaker 2: a skunk, three sheets to the wind in the bottle.
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  Speaker 3: As we say, the golf car the bride and groom
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  Speaker 3: are driving.
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  Speaker 2: Gets thrown I think it was one hundred feet thanks
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  Speaker 2: to this woman. And now she's complaining she's not allowed
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  Speaker 2: to hold the TV remote. She's even complaining the sheriff
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  Speaker 2: didn't give her a mat to sit on to do
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  Speaker 2: her crunches. Reality Check Woman, I Nancy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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  Speaker 2: Fox Nation at Serrius xem one eleven. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends at ABC.
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  Speaker 4: SAMs just got that Cloe.
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  Speaker 5: The grief is still wrong for Eric Hutchinson, she's a tiler.
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  Speaker 4: Walks in the room and he noticed.
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  Speaker 5: Now speaking exclusively to ABC News in his first interview
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  Speaker 5: since losing his wife Sam, the unimaginable tragedy on their
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  Speaker 5: wedding night three weeks ago, an allegedly drunk driver crashing
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  Speaker 5: into them as they left their reception.
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  Speaker 6: I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. That night,
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  Speaker 6: going from an all time high to an all time low.
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  Speaker 6: It's pretty rough to comprehend.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone was just so happy, she was so happy.
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  Speaker 7: One of the best sights of your life.
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  Speaker 2: You are hearing the groom speaking out. That's Eric Hutchinson
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  Speaker 2: describing the best night of his life turning into the
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  Speaker 2: worst night he could ever even imagine.
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  Speaker 3: Here's more.
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  Speaker 5: The newlyweds set off by their guests through a wave
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  Speaker 5: of sparklers, jumping in a golf cart with family, but
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  Speaker 5: they never made it home.
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  Speaker 7: Do you remember the crash happening at all?
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  Speaker 4: I don't. I wish I did. The I do remember.
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  Speaker 6: The last thing I remember her saying was she wanted
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  Speaker 6: the night to never end.
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  Speaker 7: If that was the last thing she said to you.
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  Speaker 5: Just down the road from their reception, their golf cart
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  Speaker 5: hit by a car. Sam died at the sea.
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  Speaker 4: I remember waking up just kind of.
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  Speaker 6: Foggy, out of swords, and I could see my mom's
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  Speaker 6: face and you could just tell something was wrong. And
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  Speaker 6: I asked her where Sam or Sam? And then that's
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  Speaker 6: when she told me it's a incident and that sound
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  Speaker 6: didn't make it.
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  Speaker 7: Is there anything inside of the driver?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 6: I can't right now. She's stole something.
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  Speaker 2: She just.
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  Speaker 4: She's stole an amazing human being that should not have
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  Speaker 4: been taken.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing the groom speaking to our friend Ava Pilgrim.
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  Speaker 2: Eric Hutchinson has life altering injuries his knee, bride dead
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  Speaker 2: in her wedding dress with.
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  Speaker 3: Me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 2: First, I want to go to Audrey Conklin, investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: for Fox News Digital Audrey, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What exactly are the groom Eric Hutchinson's injuries?
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  Speaker 9: He was, like you said, had life altering injuries and
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  Speaker 9: now he's in a wheelchair. He was seen after the
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  Speaker 9: crash gathering with friends and families with casts all over
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  Speaker 9: his body and he was in a wheelchair and I'll
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  Speaker 9: never recover from this.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's got two broken legs, multiple other broken bones.
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  Speaker 2: His face I believe had broken bones in it, and
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  Speaker 2: we were told he even had some sort of a
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  Speaker 2: brain injury. Let me go straight out to doctor Tim Gallagher,
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  Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner joining us out of Florida at pathcaremed
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  Speaker 2: dot com, lecturer at University Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine,
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  Speaker 2: the founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death
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  Speaker 2: Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What do you understand the injuries to the groom are and.
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  Speaker 3: What exactly do we think happened to the bride?
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  Speaker 10: Well, thanks for having me on the show, Nancy. It's
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  Speaker 10: always a pleasure. We know that he does have the
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  Speaker 10: broken long bones in his body. He's got broken bones
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  Speaker 10: in his upper and lower legs and broken bones in
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  Speaker 10: his arms.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, could you slow down just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a JD. You're the MD, and I have
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  Speaker 2: to kind of absorb everything you're saying. Okay, do you
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  Speaker 2: mind starting over?
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  Speaker 3: Doctor?
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  Speaker 11: Oh?
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely. We understand that he does have broken bones in
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  Speaker 10: his legs and in his arms. So one of the
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  Speaker 10: bones that are broken in his legs is the bone
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  Speaker 10: in your thigh, which is your femur, and your femur
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  Speaker 10: is the strongest and toughest bone to break in body,
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  Speaker 10: and both of his were fractured in multiple places, so
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  Speaker 10: the force of the impact was tremendous in addition to that,
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  Speaker 10: and you can even hear it in his voice. He
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  Speaker 10: seems to have suffered a traumatic brain injury, you know,
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  Speaker 10: which sometimes we call that a concussion or a some
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  Speaker 10: bleeding in the brain, but you could actually hear it
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  Speaker 10: in his voice as he's trying to search for his words.
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  Speaker 10: You know, he loses his train of thought very easily.
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  Speaker 10: And you know this is also associated with a life
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  Speaker 10: long suffering from migrain headaches. So even though he has
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  Speaker 10: survived the injury, he will never go back to his
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  Speaker 10: athletic self. He will never go back to what he
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  Speaker 10: was before he may ultimately be confined to the wheelchair
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  Speaker 10: because of his injuries, and he may never recover mentally
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  Speaker 10: from this incident.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner out
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  Speaker 2: of Florida, explaining what we believe happened to the groom,
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  Speaker 2: what happened to the bride. It's very difficult for me
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  Speaker 2: to focus on the injuries this bride has sustained when
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  Speaker 2: I know that the defendant sitting behind bars is whining
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  Speaker 2: she can't hold the TV remote.
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  Speaker 3: But that said, what ended her life? Do we know? Doctor?
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  Speaker 10: In these type of injuries, which we call acceleration slash
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  Speaker 10: deceleration type injuries, the common injuries are this. One of
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  Speaker 10: the life ending forces that happens is she literally breaks
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  Speaker 10: her neck because of the whiplash. When you do that,
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  Speaker 10: the spinal cord is severed at the neck, meaning that
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  Speaker 10: everything below that injury, everything below the neck stops working,
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  Speaker 10: meaning your lungs stop breathing and your organs don't function
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  Speaker 10: any longer, and then you typically die from that. But
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  Speaker 10: with the impact that you had, which could have been
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  Speaker 10: as much as forty five to sixty five miles per hour,
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  Speaker 10: we also find typically multiple breaks in the vertebral column
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  Speaker 10: that is in the in the backbone, and multiple breaks
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  Speaker 10: in the spinal cord. Meaning to say, if she did
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  Speaker 10: survive this injury, she would be dependent on medical care,
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  Speaker 10: you know, being in an ICU. She would never walk again,
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  Speaker 10: she would never talk again, she would never breathe on
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  Speaker 10: her own without the assistance of a machine. And typically
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  Speaker 10: in these accidents, they're also associated with skull fractures, injuries
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  Speaker 10: of the ribs. The ribs are also crushed so badly
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  Speaker 10: that the shards of the broken ribs go into the lungs,
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  Speaker 10: puncture the lungs as well as the heart. So these
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  Speaker 10: are the typical injuries that we see in these acceleration
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  Speaker 10: slash deceleration type injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is the director and founder of the Cold
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  Speaker 2: Case Research Institute and star of a hit podcast, Zone Seven.
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum is joining us. Kerl how many times just
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  Speaker 2: forget about the times that you and I have worked
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  Speaker 2: crime scenes together, but through in all the times you
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  Speaker 2: have worked with defendants, well, never really worked with defendants,
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  Speaker 2: but been around defendants.
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  Speaker 3: And all they think about is themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Forget about the victim and the victim's family, that means
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  Speaker 2: nothing to them. They care about one thing, and one
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  Speaker 2: thing only. What is going to happen to me? That's
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  Speaker 2: all they think about.
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  Speaker 11: And I immediately always think about you. When you were
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  Speaker 11: my prosecutor, one of the things you would do so
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  Speaker 11: brilliantly is use those words against them. Let that jury
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  Speaker 11: know this is what they said. So when she makes
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  Speaker 11: statements like my whole life is going to be over,
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  Speaker 11: I just can't believe this happened to me. Why me,
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  Speaker 11: Your life's not over. The bride's life is over. Something
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  Speaker 11: tragic happened to her, Something unbelievable happened to her, And
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  Speaker 11: you would remind them of that. She died in her
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  Speaker 11: wedding dress because choices you made, starting at about the
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  Speaker 11: time she was taking her vowels. While she's getting ready,
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  Speaker 11: while she's rolling her hair, you're getting ready to go
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  Speaker 11: to a bar. While you're taking shots. She's taken her vowels,
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  Speaker 11: while she's loving and accepting hugs and well wishes from
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  Speaker 11: her grandparents and her parents and her siblings and her
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  Speaker 11: best friends, you're getting in a car barreling right toward her.
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  Speaker 11: That's what you would telligence.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I want to remind everyone I introduced Cheryl
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  Speaker 2: as a founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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  Speaker 2: but also the former president of a Georgia Mother's against
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  Speaker 2: Drunk and Driving Mad And just hearing the name Jamie
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  Speaker 2: Lee Komarowski makes me mad. You know what, Jackie, Let's
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  Speaker 2: skip forward. I really don't know where to start with
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  Speaker 2: what this woman is saying and whining about behind bars.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just start with cut twenty five, our friends from
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  Speaker 2: crimeonline dot com, and I want you to know where
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  Speaker 2: this came from. These calls were obtained from the Post
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  Speaker 2: and Courier, a local newspaper, and I'm so glad that
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  Speaker 2: they got a hold of this because this is the
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  Speaker 2: only way we could find out the true frame of
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  Speaker 2: mind of the woman that mowed a bride down dead
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  Speaker 2: on her wedding night, on her way to her honeymoon cottage.
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  Speaker 2: Mowed her down dead, and she is whining behind bars
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  Speaker 2: about the TV remote and the yoga mat and the
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  Speaker 2: hot dogs and the meatballs. Really, that's the tip of
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  Speaker 2: the iceberg. Take a listen to our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 12: The jail house recordings were obtained by The Posting Courier
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  Speaker 12: through a Freedom of Information Request. Quotes include Jamie Kamarowski
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  Speaker 12: sobbing quote, I can't believe this is my life and
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  Speaker 12: my whole life is going to be over. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 12: I just can't believe this happened to me. Why me?
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  Speaker 12: I'm going to be here for years and years and
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  Speaker 12: years and years unquote. To this, Kamarowski's father replied that
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  Speaker 12: it was time to quote suck it up and quote
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  Speaker 12: get tough in her new environment. Jamie Kamarowski replied, I can't.
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  Speaker 12: I want it to be over.
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  Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Auji Conklin, investigative reporter, Fox News Digital.
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  Speaker 3: But she's still in the county jail, right.
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  Speaker 13: She is still in the county jail.
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  Speaker 2: Yup, And this occurred where Aujie Conklin where exactly.
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  Speaker 9: And Charleston County. So this is along the coast of
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  Speaker 9: South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: Foley Beach, South Carolina. Has anybody on this panel ever
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  Speaker 2: seen Andy of Mayberry?
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  Speaker 3: Are you serious? Nobody on this panel seeing Andy Mayberry?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess so it's like that Locke Hut. I like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I love Andy Mayberry. I force fed the children Andy
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  Speaker 2: and Mayberry.
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  Speaker 3: It's like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mean in a comical way at all.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that this is not the big dollhouse, This
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  Speaker 2: is a rikers. This is the local county jail where
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  Speaker 2: they're typically actually really nice to the suspects that are
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  Speaker 2: housed there. And she's already complaining about why me, me, me,
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  Speaker 2: me me, Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining me, and boy, do
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  Speaker 2: we need a shrink? Doctor Sherry Schwartz friends psychologists specializing
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  Speaker 2: and capital mitigation and victim advocacy at panthermitigation dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Author of Criminal Behavior and author of Where Law and
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  Speaker 2: Psychology Intersect Issues in Legal Psychology.
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  Speaker 3: She literally wrote the book, doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you
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  Speaker 3: for being with us. What is wrong with this woman?
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  Speaker 14: Well, she's got a number of issues. The thing that
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  Speaker 14: comes through in those phone calls that we're reading about
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  Speaker 14: is this sense of entitlement. And in this case, when
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  Speaker 14: you take it all together with everything that's been printed
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  Speaker 14: so far, because she still has time to get on
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  Speaker 14: the phone.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes.
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  Speaker 14: This sense of entitlement is a maladaptive feature. It can
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  Speaker 14: be considered an element of grandiosity or inflated sense of
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  Speaker 14: self that's often seen in narcissism. Basically, it makes these
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  Speaker 14: people inherently unlikable, and it's all about her. She doesn't
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  Speaker 14: really have true remorse for what she's done, because if
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  Speaker 14: she did, she would be expressing that with her other
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  Speaker 14: words and behaviors, not just when she says I want
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  Speaker 14: to apologize, trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Soak in everything that you just said.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with what you're saying about the sense of entitlement,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's so much more, you know. Another
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  Speaker 2: issue is how did the posting courier get their mits
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  Speaker 2: on these calls to Jarrett Farentino, homicide prosecutor. You can
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  Speaker 2: find Jarrett on Facebook and insta at Jarrett Farentino. Jarrett,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for being with us. Those calls are not privileged.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like you're going into a dark closet and
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  Speaker 2: confessing to a priest all the naughty things you've been doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like you're meeting with your lawyer and everything
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  Speaker 2: you say is protected by the attorney client privilege. You're
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  Speaker 2: on a jailhouse public phone, or you're being videoed during visitation.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. That's not privileged.
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  Speaker 15: It's not privileged, Nancy, that those calls. I keep thinking
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  Speaker 15: about Casey Anthony talking to her parents to same age,
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  Speaker 15: same self entitlement, same narcissism on her jail house tapes.
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  Speaker 15: Every jail in America has a sign. When you sit
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  Speaker 15: down to visit with someone, your calls and visits are
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  Speaker 15: recorded and subject to disclosure. When you have these meetings,
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  Speaker 15: they're so powerful in a courtroom. They're certainly powerful in
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  Speaker 15: the court of public opinion. You are given you know,
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  Speaker 15: you could only hold on to the acting part of
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  Speaker 15: this for so long. You are given a real look
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  Speaker 15: into who Jamie Kamarowski is when she's interacting with her parents,
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  Speaker 15: complaining about the food. And it's just a powerful tool
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  Speaker 15: in the presentation of the case. And as as Cheryl said,
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  Speaker 15: you would use the words against people like Jamie. I
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  Speaker 15: have done it. Prosecutors have done it across the country.
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  Speaker 15: If you can find a defendant it thinks themselves in
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  Speaker 15: that kind of visit, it's very powerful.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Jared Farantino, you read my mind, Jackie, please play
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  Speaker 2: cut forty.
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  Speaker 16: In this entire time, I haven't sat in my room
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  Speaker 16: for the entire month and been mad, not once, not
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  Speaker 16: one time, but right now, this is the most agitated
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  Speaker 16: and frustrated that I've been, even when I've sat with
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  Speaker 16: Jose and I watched that episode of Nancy Grace and
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  Speaker 16: stuff that was being said about Mom, and being said
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  Speaker 16: about me and him and everybody else, and the stuff
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  Speaker 16: that I've heard. It's frustrated me, but I've let it go.
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  Speaker 3: Right now. I'm so.
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  Speaker 16: Hurt by everything. I don't even know what to say.
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  Speaker 16: And I hate to say that you're.
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  Speaker 7: The one that can control everything.
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  Speaker 15: You're the one I did.
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  Speaker 8: Dad.
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  Speaker 3: Please reading, I'm I'm not.
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  Speaker 15: Trying to get upset.
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  Speaker 7: I'm trying to, but I am upset.
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  Speaker 2: Now what not only is she trashing me as if
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  Speaker 2: I care, that's Top Mom, Casey Anthony, that Jarrett Farantina
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  Speaker 2: just brought up why behind bars about something I said
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  Speaker 2: about her mother.
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  Speaker 3: I said that her mother was probably going to lie.
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  Speaker 2: To protect her, which she did augustand Sydney Anthony risking perjury,
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  Speaker 2: taking the heat to get her daughter off. That's how
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  Speaker 2: much she loves Top Mom, Casey Anthony. And then at
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  Speaker 2: the end you hear George Anthony, God bless that man
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  Speaker 2: say you're the one that can control everything. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell us where Caylee's body is, you can
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  Speaker 2: tell us what happened, and that sets top mom, Casey
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  Speaker 2: Anthony off and the Dad's going sweetie, sweetie, I don't
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  Speaker 2: mean to get you upset, and she starts screaming.
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  Speaker 3: But that's not all. Listen of cut forty one.
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  Speaker 16: I'm gonna completely upset one. The media is gonna have
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  Speaker 16: a freaking field day with this. No, I wasn't even
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  Speaker 16: I wasn't even supposed to take this. Let me say
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  Speaker 16: your for a second, dad, I don't let everybody talk. Okay,
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  Speaker 16: they're not releasing it, while I hope not. I'll keep
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  Speaker 16: saying whatever I have to about the police, sitter's.
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  Speaker 3: They don't let it go.
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  Speaker 17: Let me come on, Casey, hold on, sweetheart, settle down.
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  Speaker 16: Nobody's letting me speak. You want me to talk, then
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  Speaker 16: all right, get listen seconds to see something.
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  Speaker 4: I want Kelly.
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  Speaker 16: Things like that, And that's not even getting put on.
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  Speaker 3: The air, which it should be.
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  Speaker 16: It's everything else, everything that I'm not saying.
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  Speaker 2: You know why she's so angry because her parents are
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  Speaker 2: asking her, sweetheart, where's Kelly your daughter?
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  Speaker 3: But do you hear what she's focused on?
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  Speaker 2: Not her missing daughter who she killed, but on what
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  Speaker 2: the media is saying and how the media is going
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  Speaker 2: to portray her now one more and remember all these
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  Speaker 2: all these statements, all of these phone calls, all of
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  Speaker 2: these video chats are there for us to see and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: read and hear under the Sunshine Act in Florida and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: other jurisdictions. Take a listen to our cut forty three.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: You just to understand we're.
• 22:05
  Speaker 18: All going in so many different directions.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: We just want to go in the right one.
• 22:08
  Speaker 16: Well, I can't point you in that direction when I'm
• 22:11
  Speaker 16: literally at a standstill. Okay, I am just as removed
• 22:17
  Speaker 16: from the situation as somebody who has no clue what's
• 22:21
  Speaker 16: going on. At least even random people that we've never
• 22:24
  Speaker 16: met have more of an outlook on this than I do.
• 22:27
  Speaker 17: Right now.
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: It's really sad. That's really really sad that I literally
• 22:33
  Speaker 16: have nothing right now.
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 22:38
  Speaker 16: Nothing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And of course Todt mom Casey Anthony walked free on
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the murder of her daughter Kelly. But that brings me
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: to Misty Crosslin, the so fought called girlfriend that was
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: taking care of a beautiful little girl, Haley Cummins and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: somehow in the middle of the night her story is
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: it's someone as she came into the trailer they shared
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and took the baby. Haley Cummings, and she had no
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: idea what happened. Okay, crawls and getstone in jail. On
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: another matter, I believe it was drugs. But I want
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you to hear our cut forty four, her whining about
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: her predicament behind bars.
• 23:25
  Speaker 19: I'm all one.
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: Out of here. Have you heard that my bond was
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: got blured or anything.
• 24:01
  Speaker 16: Tween ten thousand?
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: To get out?
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: I hope you guys can get me out.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: former Federal Task Force for US Department of.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Justice, DEEA Miami Field Division.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Never like a business there, former homicide investigator now at
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Crispininvestigations dot com? Did she actually say what is ten
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: percent of fifty thousand? And then she and I think
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: her mom agreed that that's ten thousand?
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 24:34
  Speaker 19: Right? Right? They're more worried about what her bond is
• 24:37
  Speaker 19: than where's the missing child?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Wait, okay, maybe I went to the wrong person. You know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: your phone has a calculator on it in case you
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: can't figure out what's ten percent of fifty thousand?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: It's five thousand, right, right of course? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I knew that. But okay, to your point, which.
• 24:53
  Speaker 19: Is which is they're more worried about what her bond
• 24:55
  Speaker 19: is and what they need to come up with to
• 24:57
  Speaker 19: get out of jail versus the entire reason she's in
• 25:00
  Speaker 19: there and where's his child. They only care about themselves, Nancy,
• 25:04
  Speaker 19: That's all they care about.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Of course, I can tell you right now Haley Cummings
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: is dead because she's been missing so long now, there's
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: no way this child is still alive.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: And this woman never told the truth.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, you heard I taught my Casey Anthony whining
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: about the Nancy Grace show.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Well, listen to Misty Crossland and Cup forty five.
• 25:25
  Speaker 18: They're recording everything, y'all do I mean, how how can
• 25:28
  Speaker 18: we not see each other?
• 25:29
  Speaker 12: We are not defending And I think Nancy Gray needs
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: to keep her mouth shutting because she knows the fact.
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: All kind of crazy crowd all about you and Haley and.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It is oh yeah, right, okay, So again all worried
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: about what the media is saying about them, and I
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: want to bring it back home to the case we're
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: covering right now of Jamie Lee Komarowski. You know what,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut twenty nine Jackie.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: This is what we learned about Jamie Lee Komarowski behind bars.
• 26:10
  Speaker 18: Kamarowski talks about the crash with her friends in a
• 26:12
  Speaker 18: video chat obtained by the Charleston Post and Courier. She said, quote,
• 26:16
  Speaker 18: it was just like a freak accident. Obviously, I didn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 18: mean it to happen.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: A freak accident.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, Cheryl McCollum.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: There is no accident about getting drunk in a bar
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and deciding to take your keys, go crank up your car,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: put it in reverse, put it in drive, go out
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: on the road and speed plowing your car into the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: bride and grin.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: That's not an accident.
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: That is not an accident. Those are all choices that
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: only she made. She made the choice to be three
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: times the legal limit. She made the choice to drive
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: twice the speed limit. She did that and when she
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: hit them, Nancy, I want people to understand to knock
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: someone off a golf cart a hundred feet that is
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: a powerful impact. That again, she was killed instantly. But
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: it all resulted not that she woke up that morning
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: and predetermined she was going to murder somebody, but her
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: actions caused the death of someone. She did it, she alone.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: He know you're a Fiorentino better than homicide prosecutor Jared.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I firmly believe that duy vehiculo homicide should actually be
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: treated like malice murder, because, as Cheryl McComb just pointed out,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: it's not that you somehow end up drunk. This one
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is three times the legal limit, but a series of
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: decisions are made leading up to the death of another person,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: maybe akin to a felony murder charge. I find that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: vehicular homicide DUIs are treated.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Much more leniently. And I don't agree this is not
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: an accident.
• 28:30
  Speaker 15: I agree one hundred percent, Nancy. They're treated like accidents,
• 28:35
  Speaker 15: almost like as tragic or accidental on the part of
• 28:39
  Speaker 15: the defendant. When you look back, as Cheryl said, you
• 28:42
  Speaker 15: look at all of the intentional actions that were committed
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: by Jamie Lee Kamarowski. She went out, she drank too much.
• 28:51
  Speaker 15: Every drink she took was another intentional act, putting her
• 28:56
  Speaker 15: in that drunk state. And then she makes the choice
• 29:00
  Speaker 15: to get behind the wheel. Then she speeds. Her speed
• 29:04
  Speaker 15: was sixty five miles an hour in a twenty five
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: mile an hour zone. Also, these are choices and voluntary acts.
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: She is acting intentionally and should be held accountable for
• 29:15
  Speaker 15: those acts. It's no different than taking a weapon and
• 29:18
  Speaker 15: aiming it at someone and shooting. It's that simple. It's murder.
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: It should be felamy well.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Another issue to Cheryl McCollum is under our law across
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: our country, voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: a defense. Otherwise everybody in the local jail and the
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: federal penitentiary would go, oh, I was drunk when I
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: did that, and then walk straight out the front door.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: That is not a defense.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So why should it in any way mitigate the death
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of Samantha the Bride.
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: I don't understand that it should not and it will not.
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: Hear and I'll tell you something else. All you gotta
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: do is listen to her dad. Her dad tells her
• 29:57
  Speaker 11: to suck it up and get tough. He has known
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: her behavior. There's not one person that ends up in
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: this situation and claims they need to go to rehab.
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: They didn't know they had an alcohol abuse problem before,
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: didn't know they didn't have the substance abuse problem before.
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: There is nobody in rehab right now that is shocked.
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: They knew, they knew they had a problem. Their family knew,
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: their friends knew, their co workers knew. This isn't gonna
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: surprise anybody. It's tragic and they hate that it happened,
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: but she freaking did it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I want Percy Pittser joining us to take a listen
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to what we're about to play. Percy Pittser, former federal warden,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: thirty years in corrections, founder of Creative Corrections Education Foundation, Percy,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: take a listen to this our friends at crime Online.
• 30:47
  Speaker 17: Kamarowski tells friends it's likely that she won't serve any
• 30:51
  Speaker 17: prison time because it had all been an accident. Kamarowski
• 30:54
  Speaker 17: says other inmates told her she would get out on
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: bond and have to do a bunch of stuff while
• 30:59
  Speaker 17: awaiting trial. That would be stuff that quote that like
• 31:02
  Speaker 17: makes you look good and they'll like let you off easy.
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: Kamarowski tells friends, quote there's been people that have killed
• 31:10
  Speaker 17: people on purpose before, and like they've gotten out on
• 31:13
  Speaker 17: a bond.
• 31:14
  Speaker 18: Via a video chat screen obtained by the Charleston Post
• 31:18
  Speaker 18: and Courier, Palmarowski sobbed and covered her face, saying she
• 31:21
  Speaker 18: didn't want people to think she was a terrible person.
• 31:24
  Speaker 18: Palmorowski predicted she would be set free on bail within
• 31:27
  Speaker 18: two months, and in the meantime, she said she was
• 31:30
  Speaker 18: thinking of learning a new language and was passing the
• 31:33
  Speaker 18: time listening to history and science podcasts. Quote, I'm going
• 31:37
  Speaker 18: to be a genius when I get out.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I just had to pause and let that sink in.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Percy pittser there's just so much happening in this woman's head,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: none of it good.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Telling friends she won't.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Have to serve prison time because it had all been
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: an accident, that the other inmates are telling her she's
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: going to get out on bond and quote, do a
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: bunch of stuff to make you look good so you
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: can get let off easy, and then going on to
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: talk about all the podcasts she's going to listen to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: behind bars.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: What is wrong with this woman, Percy? And have you ever.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Seen defendants actually admit, Hey, I did a horrible thing.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: How can I make up for it?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: I feel awful about what I did. That's not what
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: we're hearing from this woman, Percy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 20: I suspect that she's never in her life been held
• 32:29
  Speaker 20: accountable for anything that she's done, for any decisions that
• 32:33
  Speaker 20: she's made. She don't understand or not willing to understand
• 32:38
  Speaker 20: that ever acts and has a consequence and her consequences
• 32:45
  Speaker 20: is probably going to be in prison for quite a while.
• 32:49
  Speaker 20: And you know, even her dad recognizes her flaws when
• 32:53
  Speaker 20: he says, I could up and get tough. It's just
• 32:58
  Speaker 20: and she's not going to do easy time because I
• 33:00
  Speaker 20: don't think the inmates will allow her to with her attitude.
• 33:04
  Speaker 20: You know you're guilty, but I'm not sure.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Words were never spoken, Percy. But I want to circle
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: back to the parents in this scenario, Apparently the apple
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: does not fall far from the tree. Take a listen
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to our cut twenty six from Crime Online.
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: In a phone call obtained by the Charleston Post and Courier,
• 33:25
  Speaker 17: Kamarowski's father says, quote, you don't need to be sorry, Jamie.
• 33:29
  Speaker 17: This is what happened, and we're going to take care
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: of it. There's no being sorry about it. Her father
• 33:34
  Speaker 17: said during one call. We don't care about what happened.
• 33:38
  Speaker 17: We don't care. We only care about you. Kamarowski repeatedly
• 33:42
  Speaker 17: thanked her parents for standing by her.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: We don't care what happened, we don't care what happened
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: to the bride. Well, we only care about you and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: getting you out of jail.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Is that Percy.
• 33:54
  Speaker 20: Yeah, you know, she's just never been held accountable for anything.
• 33:58
  Speaker 20: She's just and obviously her parents probably instigated that in
• 34:04
  Speaker 20: early childhood. You know, I'm going to take care of you.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: We don't care what happened. Okay, But there's also the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: mom in this scenario. What do we know about the mom?
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirty six, our friend.
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: Dave Mack, ten years before her daughter allegedly struck and
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: killed a bride on her wedding night on Fowley Beach.
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: Sixty two year old Tracy Kamarowski was the driver of
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: a jeep that struck and killed Forest Fire Service warden
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: Jeffrey Sure during a control burn in New Jersey. It
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: was mid morning as the control burned near Round Valley
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: Reservoir in New Jersey was underway when the wind suddenly
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: shifted and sent smoked so heavy across the road that
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: three drivers couldn't see a fire truck partially blocking the
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: road with emergency lights flashing. The first vehicle narrowly missed
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: the truck and Warden Sure, but the jeep behind it,
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: driven by Tracy Komorowski, struck and killed the firefighter near
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: Round Valley Recreation. Here the suv that was third in
• 35:01
  Speaker 12: line clipped the fire truck and the jeep. Jeffrey Sure
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: was thirty five and a six year veteran of the
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: Fire Service. The crash that took his life was deemed
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: a tragic accident and no charges were filed.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: So that's what we know about the mom, and we
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: know the dad. Has told the daughter, Jamie Lee Komarowski,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: we don't care what happened to the bride. We care
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: about you and what is happening to this woman behind bars?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: While Takeolos to our cut thirty two.
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: Kamarowski has been vocal about conditions in the jail. Her
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: complaints range from a lack of writing supplies to not
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: having an exercise matt to do her crunches. Kamarowski has
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: complained about nosy deputies and the food hot dogs, called meatballs,
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: white bread, and more. She even complains that a deputy
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: wouldn't even let her hold the remote control to change
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: the television channels in her holding area.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Audrey Conklin joining us from Fox News Digital, Please help me, Audrey,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: how do we know this woman complained about not being
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: able to hold the TV remote?
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: We know that because the Posting Courier obtained recordings from
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: the jailhouse that Jamie made with her parents and her friends,
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: and that's what she said in one of the recordings.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Meatballs, hot dogs, bread, yoga, Matt TV remote writing supplies.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum. Maybe she needs to review the crime scene photos.
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: Can you imagine just the witness list? Maybe don't even
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: get to the photographs yet. Just look at the witnesses. Grandma,
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: your elderly neighbor growing up, your first grade teacher, your
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: best friend from college, your best friend from first grade.
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: It goes on and own, your siblings, your parents. I
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: can't imagine that scene. Having worn't that as a first responder.
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: Were not just you have this tragic death, but every
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: single person that loved her was right there.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Well it's not over, is it. Audrey Conklin joining us
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: in Fox News Digital, Audrey, take a listen to our
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: cut thirty one, our Forensic Crime Online.
• 37:17
  Speaker 17: During their jail house conversations obtained by the Charleston Post
• 37:20
  Speaker 17: and Courier, Kamarowski's father said, quote bringing the jersey to
• 37:24
  Speaker 17: South Carolina, Baby. He was referring to the fact that
• 37:28
  Speaker 17: two top notch attorneys have been hired to represent Kamarowski,
• 37:31
  Speaker 17: a husband and wife team who hailed from their home
• 37:34
  Speaker 17: state of New Jersey. During the conversation, Kamarowski's father tells
• 37:38
  Speaker 17: her to stop talking about the wreck. He reminds her
• 37:41
  Speaker 17: that her statements were being recorded and could be used
• 37:44
  Speaker 17: against her. Kamarowski keeps interrupting and ignoring his words. Jamie
• 37:49
  Speaker 17: Lee Komarowski says, quote, but I wanted to make sure
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: that I could say an apology, and they said I
• 37:54
  Speaker 17: would be able to say an apology. Kamarowski's father, listen,
• 37:59
  Speaker 17: stop talking about it. Don't even say that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: So I guess what's happening right there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Jarrett Farantino, Homici prosecutor, is the father is savvy enough
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to know that if you apologize, that could indicate you
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: know you're guilty.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: And he's like, don't say that, don't say that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 15: None of what she's saying is helping her nancy in
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: any way, and she's seeing this as an opportunity to
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: express remorse despite her dad's warning, Oh who express remore?
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: She's saying, I hope the judge knows I'm really sorry,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And do I get a chance to make an apology?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Everything is about her looking good to get out on bond.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: That's what this is about exactly.
• 38:38
  Speaker 15: And her attorney in the bond application said, her client
• 38:43
  Speaker 15: or their client is being painted as the villain. She
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: is the villain.
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: Who is she?
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: She is the villain in this scenario.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, Audrey Conklin, what can you tell us about
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the status of a bond for the defendant, Jamie Lee Komaroski.
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: I can tell you that she fully expects to postpond.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: She's expecting her parents and her family to come in
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: and post this money for her so that she can
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: get out of jail. She's told her friends that she
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: thinks she's going to get out of jail soon.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: We wait as Justice unfoles.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: Goodbye friend,