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  Speaker 1: You you, you you.
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  Speaker 2: You coming to you lie from blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: If Allison doesn't show up to ransirkers, I'm not doing
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  Speaker 2: her bit fear the brave, the bitchy, waiting once more
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  Speaker 2: against the zombie hornes.
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  Speaker 3: Why I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surizing the bit rancier for two thirty nine feminist
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  Speaker 2: equal pay leaves Town Swampton, garbage and rats. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: here with Hannah and Karen, two of the ogs of HBr,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking about there's basically a
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  Speaker 2: thread on x which has prompted a discussion such as
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  Speaker 2: it is about this Birmingham bin strike. So I went
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  Speaker 2: to look up some information for context because I don't
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  Speaker 2: I was not aware of this thing going on.
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  Speaker 3: So here's the context before we get into the tweet.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the Birmingham bin strike or the Birmingham I think
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  Speaker 2: you say bern. Birmingham bin strike, ongoing since March eleventh,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, stems from a dispute between Birmingham City
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  Speaker 2: Council and the Unite Union over pay cuts for refuse
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  Speaker 2: workers garbage men, prompted by the refuse Refuse refuse, Yeah, not.
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  Speaker 4: The rest year to breathe free, refuse to talk about this.
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  Speaker 2: Refuse Yeah, they refuse to refuse refuse workers prompted by
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  Speaker 2: the council's twenty twenty three bankruptcy due to one point
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  Speaker 2: one billion pounds and equal pay claims from past lawsuits.
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  Speaker 2: The council's financial crisis began with a twenty twelve Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court ruling that found Birmingham had underpaid women in roles
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  Speaker 2: like cooking and cleaning compared to male dominaue jobs like
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  Speaker 2: refuse collection, great, leading to massive compensation payouts and a
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  Speaker 2: Section one fourteen notice declaring bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, this is enough.
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  Speaker 5: Why are women lighting up the street to go work
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  Speaker 5: in refuse collection if it's the same kind of job,
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  Speaker 5: but there's no difference.
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  Speaker 6: It missed them and you could make more money. Why what,
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  Speaker 6: You just grab a fucking bin and pick up some garbage.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously they need scabs right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, So Birmingham, Okay, let me this is why this
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  Speaker 2: is happening.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The Council's financial crisis began with a twenty twelve Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court ruling that found Birmingham had underpaid women in roles
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  Speaker 2: like cooking and cleaning. Compared to male dominated jobs like
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  Speaker 2: refuse collection, leading to massive compensation payouts and a Section
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  Speaker 2: one fourteen notice declaring bankers for that Yes, and it
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  Speaker 2: went through. The strike has caused seventeen thousand tons of
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  Speaker 2: rubbish to pile up, raising public health concerns, including a
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  Speaker 2: risk of wells disease from rat infestations, with experts warning
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  Speaker 2: of increased danger as temperatures rise. In April twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: The equality.
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  Speaker 5: Of sixteenth century illness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the black plague is coming back. They're
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  Speaker 2: bringing back the black paid plague for equality.
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  Speaker 7: People that are experience this in real life. So it
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  Speaker 7: raises this problem, But does it raise awareness of the
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  Speaker 7: fact that these jumps are clearly not equivalent.
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  Speaker 4: They're not the same, not the same at all.
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  Speaker 6: If they were, then women would be doing garbage collecting
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  Speaker 6: because it pays more for the same Clearly, it's it's
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  Speaker 6: a much bigger deal when the garbage doesn't get collected
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  Speaker 6: than when the cooking doesn't get done. Or you could
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  Speaker 6: say maybe cooking is that is as important, Like you
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  Speaker 6: don't want to know when the last time I scrubbed
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  Speaker 6: my toilet was, because it was quite a while ago.
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  Speaker 6: And somehow we're not infested with rats.
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  Speaker 4: And you know why that is? Because when I pressed
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  Speaker 4: a little thing.
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  Speaker 6: The stuff in the toilet, it gets carried off by
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  Speaker 6: a whole bunch of almost entirely men who have to pump.
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  Speaker 4: Sewage uphill to get it to the sewage treatment plant.
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  Speaker 6: And how do they do that? Sometimes they have to
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  Speaker 6: go and manually scrape. Okay, use condoms and use needles
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  Speaker 6: and tampons and maxi pads.
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  Speaker 4: And which are white and.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah not and Q tips Q tips and all kinds
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  Speaker 6: of other fucking crap that builds up on the intake
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  Speaker 6: grate at the sewage treatment plant. And they send men.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know any women who do this. It's actually highly.
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  Speaker 5: Dangerous because there are also sharps that end up down there.
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  Speaker 6: Sharps, and yeah, you have to wear like a gas
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  Speaker 6: mask because there's a whole bunch of hydrogen sulfide gas
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  Speaker 6: and all kinds of point toxic gases that build up.
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  Speaker 6: And so I'm just just like, Okay, if you don't
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  Speaker 6: want to clean toilets, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, well here we go. We're coming back. We're coming back.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, guys.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Well, phenomenon that nobody really names it, but
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  Speaker 5: you can see it being discussed all the time, and
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  Speaker 5: that is the accountability gap. The accountability gap is basically
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  Speaker 5: the difference between what men are obligated to and versus
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  Speaker 5: what women obligated to do. What men are responsible for
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  Speaker 5: in terms of their actions and their behaviors and everything,
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  Speaker 5: versus what women are responsible for, what men are responsible
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  Speaker 5: for in terms of the welfare of their community versus responsibilities.
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  Speaker 5: And women have all these rights that women have demanded,
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  Speaker 5: but they don't bear the same accountability for the welfare
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  Speaker 5: of their community, for respecting the rights of other people,
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  Speaker 5: for actually putting forth the same value when demanding the
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  Speaker 5: same compensation, and so on. Anybody can cook, not everybody's
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  Speaker 5: a great cook. Yeah, I wouldn't want to compete with Karen.
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  Speaker 5: I've tasted or cooking, and then there's there's like a
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  Speaker 5: huge gap there too. I don't have the talent. I
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  Speaker 5: have some skill, but the talent.
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  Speaker 6: All I know is there's this wonderful article I think
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  Speaker 6: it was written in nineteen eleven or nineteen thirteen in
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  Speaker 6: the Atlantic magazine. The author's name, I believe is Lyman,
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  Speaker 6: Limo and Abbott, and it's called why Women Do Not
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  Speaker 6: wish the suffrage, and it goes into absolutely beautiful detail
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  Speaker 6: if you can scroll past the religious under overtones of
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  Speaker 6: the gender rules and things like that, if you actually
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  Speaker 6: just go and to the parts where it outlines the
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  Speaker 6: responsibilities of men, the and the responsibilities of government and.
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  Speaker 4: How men need.
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  Speaker 6: To actually at that time, it wasn't just like the
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  Speaker 6: military draft.
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  Speaker 4: It was also posse comitatus.
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  Speaker 6: It was also you could be deputized forcibly, to help
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  Speaker 6: suppress a crowd, like a riot or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: You could be deputized by a fire marshal and forced
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  Speaker 6: to didn't matter what you had going on that day.
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  Speaker 6: You could be forced to man a bucket brigade if
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  Speaker 6: you were over the age of fifteen and mail and
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  Speaker 6: or if you looked like you were over the age
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  Speaker 6: of fifteen and were male, and women didn't have any
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  Speaker 6: of those responsibilities. And it's yeah, no, And the whole
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  Speaker 6: point of the article was that like, women recognized this right, and.
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  Speaker 4: They clearly they did not want those responsibilities because they
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  Speaker 4: have not voluntarily taken up those responsibilities and nobody has
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  Speaker 4: been willing to force those responsibilities on them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And so that accountability gap has existed forever
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  Speaker 5: pretty much, and women used to at least recognize that,
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  Speaker 5: and there was honor in knowing that the men that
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  Speaker 5: would go out after a disaster in boats and high
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  Speaker 5: boots and so on and rescue people who were trapped
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  Speaker 5: in flooded buildings or burning buildings or collapsed buildings or whatever,
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  Speaker 5: that when they came back, that women would have things
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  Speaker 5: ready for their comfort and their care if they needed
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  Speaker 5: bandaged up, if they needed fed, if they needed a blanket.
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  Speaker 5: They're was honor in doing that part of the overall
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  Speaker 5: task of disaster response. Yeah, and today women treat that
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  Speaker 5: like it's dirt, and at the same time they demand
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  Speaker 5: equal pay for it.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: They demand to be told, yeah, you're the same as
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  Speaker 5: the guy who's.
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  Speaker 4: Running a disaster building. You're a disaster worker.
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  Speaker 6: We don't expand the category to the point where it's
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  Speaker 6: like anybody who actually helps out in a disaster is
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  Speaker 6: a disaster worker and they all have to get paid
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  Speaker 6: the same. But you basically hand out blankets and meals
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  Speaker 6: ready to eat at a shelter and Bob's gonna risk
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  Speaker 6: his life, Yeah, Bob's gonna risk his life.
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  Speaker 4: Phil's gonna risk his life.
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  Speaker 5: And the only time they really deserve to be paid
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  Speaker 5: exactly the same is when they volunteer work.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: So then okay, so this Equality Act, just to clarify
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  Speaker 2: what this resulted in is in order to make it
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  Speaker 2: where garbage men were being paid the same as women
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  Speaker 2: that were doing cooks, yeah, cooking and cleaning cleaning that
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  Speaker 2: isn't garbage like cleaning, like house cleaning or something. They
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  Speaker 2: just cut the salaries of garbage men. So basically this
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  Speaker 2: is socialism and action right, flattening things for everybody that's
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  Speaker 2: actually doing something. And this mandated, this is their mandate
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  Speaker 2: for equal pay for equal work, which is central to
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  Speaker 2: the issue. And this has cut refuse workers salaries up
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  Speaker 2: to eight thousand pounds per some, triggering the strike to
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  Speaker 2: avoid further legal liability. Similar equal pay disputes have impacted
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  Speaker 2: other UK councils and businesses, such as the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: four case where Asda workers won a claim that could
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  Speaker 2: cost a supermarket one point two billion pounds, highlighting a
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  Speaker 2: broader national challenge. And what we're but we're going to
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  Speaker 2: look at specifically is this thread here that Laura Brown shared.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to read a little bit of read
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  Speaker 2: you guys that for the context. So she says, the
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  Speaker 2: Birmingham been strike has reached its fifth week, so five
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  Speaker 2: weeks they've been on strike. Rubbish is piled high, rats
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  Speaker 2: are infesting the streets, and experts are concerned about Wales
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  Speaker 2: disease a threat on how the Equality Act contributed to this,
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  Speaker 2: probably caused it, let's be real, and how it may
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  Speaker 2: cause similar strikes across the country. In twenty twelve, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy four, Oh, let me just move.
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  Speaker 3: This, Alison's complaining about the camera.
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  Speaker 2: In one hundred and seventy four, former Birmingham Council employees
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  Speaker 2: brought an equal pay appeal to the Supreme Court. They
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  Speaker 2: argued Birmingham City Council had provided lower pay to women
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  Speaker 2: in predominantly female jobs cooks, cleaners and care staff compared
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  Speaker 2: to refuse collectors and road workers number two. They won
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  Speaker 2: their case. Birmingham Council was found to have contravened equal
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  Speaker 2: pay legislation because they failed to provide bonuses to cooks, cleaners,
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  Speaker 2: catering and care staff.
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  Speaker 3: This is women.
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  Speaker 2: Though I know they're like naming these as though they're
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  Speaker 2: like non gendered, but this is about women.
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  Speaker 3: But did offer them to bin men, street cleaners and
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  Speaker 3: grave diggers.
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  Speaker 2: Number three. This is not yeah, grave diggers. This is
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  Speaker 2: not a case of women being paid less than men
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  Speaker 2: for the same work. The claimants drew a comparison between
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  Speaker 2: manually taxing jobs with higher labor shortages and unsociable hours
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  Speaker 2: bin men and more popular jobs like cooking and cleaning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because they lost the case easily, council. Yeah, easier by
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  Speaker 2: their more less dangerous jobs. Oh Asda, Okay, thank you, rambam,
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  Speaker 2: it's a place called Asda.
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  Speaker 3: Because they lost the case.
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  Speaker 2: Birmingham Council have had thousands of equal pay claims brought
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  Speaker 2: against them. So far, they have paid out one point
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  Speaker 2: one billion pounds for former employees and equal pay compensation.
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  Speaker 2: They estimated further liability in the region of six hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty million pounds and seven hundred seven hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixty million pounds.
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  Speaker 4: With for such cunts.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, okay, yeah. The first consequence of this is obvious.
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  Speaker 2: It caused the council to go bankrupt. In September of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, they issued a Section one fourteen notice
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  Speaker 2: declaring the council to be quote in a negative general
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  Speaker 2: fund position end quote due to quote the costs of
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  Speaker 2: providing equal pay claims end quote. The second consequence the
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  Speaker 2: council urgently had to equalize pay for bin men and
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  Speaker 2: catering staff or risk further payouts because they were bankrupt.
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  Speaker 2: There was only one way to do this by cutting
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  Speaker 2: pay for refuse collectors. Birmingham Council had been finding ways
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  Speaker 2: to cut the pay of those in mail dominated professions.
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  Speaker 2: Unite report they've Unite report that they've cut one thousand
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  Speaker 2: pounds in shif pay already. They've also cut the highest
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  Speaker 2: paying refuse collection job, Waste Recycling and Collection Officer, an
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  Speaker 2: eight thousand pounds pay cut. For some council is at
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  Speaker 2: a total impasse. They have to make these cuts. If
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  Speaker 2: they don't, they risk further equal pay lawsuits. They are bankrupt,
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  Speaker 2: so they simply cannot afford to bring up the pay
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  Speaker 2: of cooks, social care workers and cleaners instead. Birmingham won't
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  Speaker 2: be the only counsel to experience these problems. Refuse collection
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  Speaker 2: is tough work. Councils need to pay more in recognition
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  Speaker 2: of this, but the workforce is also around seventy three
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  Speaker 2: percent mail, so will always be vulnerable to equal pay lawsuits.
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  Speaker 5: This is the same thing that happened with Title nine,
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  Speaker 5: all right, before you go on, when Title nine in
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  Speaker 5: United States law, that's the law that stopped. It stopped
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  Speaker 5: universities from having quotas in say the legal field or
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  Speaker 5: the medical field, for you have to have this many
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  Speaker 5: seats for men, but you can have this many women.
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  Speaker 5: And it was by the time that law was passed,
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  Speaker 5: universities were already changing because more women were actually going
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  Speaker 5: on to do the job when they graduated instead of
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  Speaker 5: just using it as a feather in their cap, and
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  Speaker 5: they were continuing to do the job even after they
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  Speaker 5: had kids. So it was starting to become worth it
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  Speaker 5: for universities to allow women into those fields. Whereas previously
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  Speaker 5: these universities were businesses. If the women that went through
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  Speaker 5: their schools after they graduated did not do anything that
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  Speaker 5: brought prestige to the school, did and donated anything to
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  Speaker 5: the school, didn't make any money, didn't send any new students,
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't as much of a value to the university.
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  Speaker 5: So as that changed, that law became completely unnecessary. And
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  Speaker 5: then it got passed anyway, and so the apartment had
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  Speaker 5: to enforce it. They had to come up with a
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  Speaker 5: reason for its existence, and so they started dipping into
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  Speaker 5: you don't have equal representation in sports. They had extracurricular activities,
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  Speaker 5: and extracurricular supports started out almost exclusively mail. It wasn't
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  Speaker 5: something that women in school had been necessarily interested in,
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  Speaker 5: and it took quite a bit of effort actually to
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  Speaker 5: get women interested in in it all. And they have not,
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  Speaker 5: even to this day, reached equal interest in participation. And
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  Speaker 5: since they haven't reached equal interests, they haven't reached equal participation.
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  Speaker 5: The Education Department set up a quota system, the very
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  Speaker 5: thing that Title nine was designed to get rid of.
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  Speaker 5: And during the nineties, that quota system, which basically forced
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  Speaker 5: universities to not have more available male athletic positions or
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  Speaker 5: male athletic activities than female regardless of who was interested
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  Speaker 5: in what. That quota system resulted in a lot of
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  Speaker 5: universities having to shut down their men's gymnastics programs, in
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  Speaker 5: their Olympic wrestling programs because there were not They weren't
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  Speaker 5: going to shut down their money making basketball and football programs,
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  Speaker 5: but there were not women interested necessarily in football, and
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  Speaker 5: there weren't women in the same numbers interested in basketball,
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  Speaker 5: and that they pretty much started cutting men's sports and
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  Speaker 5: men's scholarship opportunities as a result. So this is it's
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  Speaker 5: a different situation in that it doesn't it's not causing
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  Speaker 5: people to suffer from diseases, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: it did deny men educational opportunities. And once they got
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  Speaker 5: to the point where there was close to parody in
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  Speaker 5: athletic participation, then the mission creep went into let's make
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  Speaker 5: it about sexual misconduct on university campuses, and now there
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  Speaker 5: are like a thousand cossuits across the country for violations
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  Speaker 5: of due process rights because of the way that universities
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  Speaker 5: have handled that and because of the way the Education
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  Speaker 5: Department has handled that. So these laws like they may
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  Speaker 5: have been passed with the best of intentions. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: arguing that that's the case. I don't really think they were.
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  Speaker 5: But even if you give the greatest amount of charity
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  Speaker 5: and say they were just trying to protect women, the
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  Speaker 5: outcome has been terrible. And this is similar. This pretty
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  Speaker 5: much demonstrates the accountability gap right here. Incentive pay, whether
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  Speaker 5: it is hazard pay or incentive pay, because the job
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  Speaker 5: is dirty and nasty and smelly, because Collecting trash is
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  Speaker 5: dirty and nasty and smelly, whether it's you have to
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  Speaker 5: lift heavy things, incentive pay, whether it's your shift is
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  Speaker 5: inconvenient because they start collecting the trash at two o'clock
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  Speaker 5: in the morning and they can continue to collect the
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  Speaker 5: trash until just before noon. Usually it's not something you
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  Speaker 5: want to do in the heat of the day because
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  Speaker 5: it's nasty and smelly and gross, and also it's heavy labor,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: so there's a heat sickness risk. Even in a nation
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  Speaker 5: that is mostly close to water in comparison to where
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  Speaker 5: I live, I'm in Ohio, we still end up with
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: humidity here. But and humidity does make the heat significantly worse.
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  Speaker 5: It was eighty degrees in London, actually felt worse than
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  Speaker 5: ninety degrees in Ohio. But in any case, Yeah, all
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  Speaker 5: of that contributes to why incentive pay exists. It's to
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  Speaker 5: persuade people to do jobs that if that job only
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  Speaker 5: offered the same pay as easier, cleaner, safer, less unpleasant
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  Speaker 5: jobs paid, yeah, people wouldn't do them. Nobody would take
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  Speaker 5: those jobs. Yeah, that's why it's called incentive pay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: No, And what I find highly ironic since you brought
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  Speaker 6: up title nine.
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  Speaker 4: Is the woman who was responsible for Title nine being passed.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I forget her name, but I saw her speaking.
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  Speaker 4: She was accepting the Lifetime Achievement Award or something like
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  Speaker 4: that at the twenty twelve National Organization for Women National Conference. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, and a National Organization for Gals.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And she said, I talked to my granddaughters and
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  Speaker 6: I tell them, like, why aren't you taking advantage of
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  Speaker 6: all of these opportunities that my work, my fight.
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  Speaker 4: Created for you?
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  Speaker 6: And she said, and they tell me, I just don't
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  Speaker 6: care that much about where a soccer ball goes.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, they don't. You did it for nothing,
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  Speaker 4: all right.
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  Speaker 2: So let's look at the rest of this thread again.
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching what we're talking about. Here is something that's
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  Speaker 2: happening in Birmingham, England, where there is a strike from
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  Speaker 2: garbage men because their salaries are being cut because there
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  Speaker 2: are women demanding equal pay as cleaners and as cooks
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  Speaker 2: and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And they can't do that without.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your wild, they can't do that without cutting the
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  Speaker 2: salaries of garbage men. So the garbage men are going
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  Speaker 2: on strike and justifiably so, and so garbage is piling
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: up in the streets. So this is what happens.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Dear Birmingham, God help you if this affects your power grid,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: God help you. If you end up with a strike
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: among your electricians or your water and sewage treatment with
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: sewage treatment, you will be in deep shit.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah literally, Yeah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: They already have a rat problem, so yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: No, And there will be plenty of broken watermans that
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: aren't going to get fixed and plenty of homes that
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: don't have water being coming out of the tap because
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: those guys went on strike. Because and here's the thing, right,
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: Like my kids they live in this corner on a
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: corner lot with alley access, and it was like during
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: this horrific cold snap, it was like minus forty right nighttime,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: loads of under minus forty, and their water main broke,
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: and so there was a skating rink forming in their
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: back alley. It was like a massive freaking skating rink.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: And they had to come in and like the workers
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: had to come in and dig up the alley and
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: fix the water main and put all the dirt back
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: in and then at least temporarily pave it over because
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: the paving never sticks if if you do it in
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: those kinds of temperatures. But yeah, you have to do something,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: you have to cover it over. And like it was
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: like an eighteen hour job, right, of these guys who
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: had to be out there working and I don't know
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: what minus twenty celsius is in fahrenheit, but it's freaking cold.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: It's really freaking cold, and they're out there doing this
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: and you know what, I didn't see a single fucking
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: woman on the team.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah, all right, let's continue with this.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You can touch me doing that job, Laura Brown says, right,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: continuing on equal pay for the same work is hard.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Is a hard won right that should be defended at
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: all costs. But equal pay for similar work, as deemed
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: by a judge is madness. It will bankrupt businesses and
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: councils and make it impossible to provide basic services. And
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: then we and okay, this is all we talked about.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It pretty obvious stuff like, but there's been some like
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: straight up insane responses. Of course. So here's a woman
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: named literally and they say it ain't that tough. Yeah
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: on polystyrene?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Is that her? At on X? And they say it
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: ain't that tough.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I've done it and I'm female I'd rather do the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: bins than be a cleaner or carer. Far harder jobs
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: with more responsibility.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Terror is a title for the job that I do.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: She's got to be kidding.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: She said that carer is the job every stay at
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: home mom.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: But I'm no. I'm a career for intellectually disabled adults.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: In the UK they call it a terror. In the
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: US they give me this stupid fancy title. It's actually
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: direct support Professional for intellectually disabled adults. It's it makes
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: me sound like I'm more important than a nurse, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I'm not. But for fuck's sake.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Being outside in the winter.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: If the beIN men don't like it, they can become
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: cleaners or cars. Since it's so easy, it is incredibly easy.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: You would have to pay me three or four times
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: as much, maybe five times as much as I get
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: paid to do my job, to do their job, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: then I don't have the muscle or the constitution anymore
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: to do it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: All I know.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Is this bitch is insane, and I don't believe for
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: a second that she's done it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I don't believe it either. But anyway,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: she says, the only downside is being outside of the winter.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: If bin men don't like it, they can become cleaners
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: or cars since it's so easy. Yeah, then who's going
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to take out the garbage that's piling up right now?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: So I guess this is literally when men go on
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: strike a little bit.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I didn't. All the women in Iceland go
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: on strike and nobody noticed.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah what you know what, Actually that's happened in the
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: US too.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: And all the one of these things.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Every during the Trump administration. Nothing shut down the whole time.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, one of the one of the politicians joke
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: that the only thing that anybody noticed was that there
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: were fewer complaints to hr.
• 28:31
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• 28:31
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• 28:34
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• 28:54
  Speaker 2: All right, So rad Feme earth Witch of just that's
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: their name, read them Earthwitch, which probably has no impact
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: on their opinion says, so a council that can't manage
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: its finances is struggling to provide a service that residents
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: are paying for in their council tax. And you think
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: the people really to blame are women who simply ask
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: for the jobs that they do to be valued equally
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to the jobs that men do.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, well what she's saying there no sense. Right,
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: she's not saying the same kind of jobs. She's not
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: saying jobs provide equal value. Would you value a I
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: don't know in nineteen ninety eight Ford Festiva the same
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: as you would value any actually anything made by Ford
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: now or any other car company now, because the service
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: scap is about that different, right, it's either going to
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: be falling apart, or it's going to be if you
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: try to do the same job anyway, it's going to
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: be inferior. At this point, I just don't see how
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: how they continue talking about this.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Any anybody with the name red Femme Earth, which.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: No lesson should have been here.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: We need Raven Moondragon.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Women's Commons moon Dragon.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Or somebody who can do the voice that fluffy or
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: females behavior that's silly.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Janet Warrior said, yeah, these are great comments to respond to.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: So have had named Janet people?
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I guess so.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: The council have had thirteen years to put this right.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It would have been a lot cheaper if they had
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: done so immediately, as other councils did across the country.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Their refusal to deal with the issue is down to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: their close list with the unions. I'm not a fan
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: of unions, but I don't think that that's necessarily the issue.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: So it's she's saying that unions keep them in from
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: getting paid what their work is worth.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Is that what he's insinuating, Because like in Canada.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know about you, but in Canada the two
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: most powerful unions are the teachers Union and the nurses Union.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's pretty much the same here in the US,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: and they direct their industries. It's insane. My employer is
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: nonprofit and we're not part of the nurses union, thank god.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's incredibly We still are understandards that are
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: set by unions, and the teachers' unions impact schools that
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: have no affiliation whatsoever. Because standards get set nationally, they
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: get stand up getting standards set by the by the
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Education Department that all the schools have to go by
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that are not necessarily involved in the unions at all.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: The same thing happens in a lot of other jobs. Now,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: if you want unions that are are actually doing something
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: for their workers, talk about the teamsters, talk about the
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: union for the guys that mine coal or work on
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: oil rigs and stuff like that. They actually have things
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: to advocate for, and they do, and they do back
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: up their guys that there's definitely a stark division between
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: unions that take care of their workers and unions that
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: are just exploiting them as a bank really to fund
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: political activism. The retail workers is even worse. It's not
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: as powerful, but it's worthless. It's completely worthless, and it
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: siphons off of some of the lowest wages in the
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: workforce and as nothing for the people that it's taking from.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: So I've been part of the workforce for that union,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: and it just it sucks.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: Representative Daniel Plain, I want to.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Read that whenever read that one, Yeah, we will be
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: implemented such equal pay requirements in Georgia.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he means a state. I assume
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: the state of Georgia. It's an American flag in his picture.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, under my watch. It is a tragedy that social
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: workers get paid less than garbage collectors solely due.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: To gender, really solely due to gender.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: No social workers, Yeah, social category.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: This is pure pandering. This guy's just pandering the women
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: like a bitch. Like it's all it is. It's just
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: him saying, ladies vote for me, and they will, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: they will. This shit works, so they'll be Oh my god,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: he's gonna give us more money.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: When people think of social workers, if they think of
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: social workers. In the movie where you have this cute,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: sweet down home farm girl with blonde hair gets a
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: degree as a social worker and goes into the inner
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: city and discovers how hard people have it there and
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: does a bunch of miracle things to help them. In
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: real life, that's one out of one hundred social workers.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: In the other ninety nine all look more like Induria Edwarkin.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: They helped no one. They do jackshit with their day.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: They push paper, that's about it. Half of them work
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: for the Child Support enforcement agency, and they like to
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: lie as much as humanly possible in order to avoid
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: the best possible outcome for the child, which is fine involvement.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: What I found hilarious was, I don't know if you
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: must have seen. It was like this appeal court state
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: appeal court panel of five judges or something like that,
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: and you had this head of the social work agency
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: basically saying, we just didn't know we weren't allowed to
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: lie to the court.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and yep we didn't. They never liked perjury.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: The judges were like, what.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: You know, we didn't realize we weren't allowed to mis
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: represent things to in court.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Just crazy.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Look at this brutal American says, is this a joke?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And then he responses, inequality is not a.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Laughing not laughing matter.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, oh man.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: This is like the level of discourse where it's at
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: like all you need is some woman to say this
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: is sexist, and then these fucking white knights come out
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: of the woodwork and they're like, I'll save you. And then,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: like anybody who says, dude, you're being ridiculous, he's no,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and it's wrong. You have no right to call this
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: sexist because you're the scumbag.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I love?
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: You know what I love that Alison gets to read
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: all the women's comments.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: You know what, I love X since elon back over
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: because directly under that, Milford, Okay, are you really that retarded?
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: Why don't you pay veterans same as the president?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Why an equality?
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Inequality?
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, veterans actually their job was harder. If you're looking
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: at just how hard it is to do the job,
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: it looks like you can you guys can see me
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: now and did get shot at?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah I'm not. I'm actually just guys, I'm not
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: feeling the greatest, which is why I didn't come on.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: It's there's a pressure thing coming in and it's that
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: gets you get My entire sinus is just throbbed, like
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I'm being hit with like a drum. And I see
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that probably you know what snowbolled herself.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: You know what the cure for that is, though, you
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: just punch yourself in the face like a hundred times.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: That's okay. If we let her read the female and
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: the raven Moondragon voice, she'll I want to punch your
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: heads about.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Four hundred times.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I have three.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I as I laid in bed this
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: morning with my seph Lee thing, it's like a Temes
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: thing with the little like a tens unit. Yeah, to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: try to get my headache under control. I was pondering
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: these comments, trying to figure out the logic behind them,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: as I do because I like to suffer. And I'm
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: still at an impasse. Like, we have women the problem
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: is that there's not enough bin workers, and we have
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: them saying why didn't they become cares. It's not a problem.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: The problem is that they're not bin workers. There's not
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: enough bin workers. And I'm like, the reality of this
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: is that men will take these jobs. Presumably there's twenty
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: eight percent women taking these jobs, but they're probably also
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit more on the masculine spectrum. Always say,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: or they're just doing the administration jobs. So men will
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: take these jobs because they tolerate discomfort, disgust, and they
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: have physical greater physical capacity. Okay, let go ahead.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Let me just share something with you.
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: Because when we had our neighborhood renewal project going on
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: for an entire summer, right an entire construction season, because
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: we only have two seasons winter in construction, we all
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: of the crews were all.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Men except the flag people. Flags were women.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: And I spoke to one of these women because I
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: was asking, like, this is gonna look really nice. I
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: got out of my car and I was like, this
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: is gonna be look great when it's done, and and
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: she's and I'm like, but how much longer?
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: And she we got to talking and everything. She was
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: wearing like.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: Jasmine Crockett caterpillar freaking fake eyelashes and had Cardi B fingernails.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: That always indicates that you've shown up ready to work exactly.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, I'm like, what the like fully made
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: up face? And I'm like, so you actually, all you
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: do all day is hold a sign and then you
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: flip it around and then you flip it back. Slow stop,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: slow stop. That's all you do. And then but you're
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: a construction worker, so you deserve the same pay as
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: these guys who are screening concrete.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The only time I've seen female construction workers actually
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: doing constructiony things is in rural towns. Yeah. Yeah, I've
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: seen rod crew women on the road crew in my town.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Not very often, but sometimes because most time.
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: We had our roof done in Port McNeil, and it
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: was a small It was a family owned business and
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: husband and wife owned it, and the wife came and
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: did our roof and it's yeah, no, because she's capable
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: and whatever.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: But you just don't tend to find that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: No, not in the federal stuff, yeahdominantly, and not in
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: municipalities and stuff like that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: It's pretty rare. It's pretty rare to have.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I think what people don't understand about this conversation is
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: why why these jobs are male dominated, And it's a
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: lot of it is because there are things that men
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: simply are more capable of in terms of strength and
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: endurance and so on, and men are more likely to
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: take an interest in the related knowledge, especially when it
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: comes to things like construction and engineering, although there are
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: plenty of women who do. My cousin is an engineer,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: and when she took a job doing something that nobody
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: else in the branch, I guess would be the best
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: way to say that she worked and knew how to
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: do she got paid extra because of that. She did
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: get there was a wayts gap between her and the
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: other workers, including the men. By the way, yeah, because
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: she knew how to do something that they didn't know
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: how to do, and it was incredibly necessary for the
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: rest of them to be able to do their jobs.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: But in any case, men a lot of times when
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: it's a job that pays more, that has incentive to
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: pay because of hazards, because it's dismal, because it's dirty, nasty, unpleasant, painful.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Some jobs are traumatic to do, like when you're a
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: fireman that's responding to a building that's been blown up
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: and you have to carry out dead toddlers from a
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: daycare like happen in the Oklahoma City bombing. Men take
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: those jobs because they have to support their families, and
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: for centuries that's been on men. Supporting the family has
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: been on men. When women made money, if they contributed
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: to the family, that was nice, but there was no
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: law that made them do it. There was no social
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: expectation that made them do it, so whomen had less tendency.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: The women had less tendency to make how much the
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: job paid their only reason for taking a job or
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: their primary reason for taking a job, whereas there are
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: many times when they don't get a choice.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah no, and it's It really does.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Remind me of back when Bill Burr was still funny
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: before he caught the woke mind virus. That like when
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: he's saying Oprah's on on on the TV talking to
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: some clam right, and and she says, oh and oh,
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: and it's she's a this, and she's a that, and
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: she's but most important, she does the most difficult job
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: on the planet.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: She's a mother.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: And he's just really really I thought roofing in July
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: is a redhead was the most difficult job on the planet, right, And.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: It's harder with dark hair. Redheads can wear sunscreen. Dark
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: hair gets hot no matter what.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And then he says he goes on to say, oh, no,
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: you're having to bend at the ways to insert DVDs
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: into DVD players and then making oopsicle stick structures popsicle
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: stickhouses with your kid, and then you can send them
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: off to a nap at any time on some trumped
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: up charges.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Right, that's a difficult job. I don't think.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So this is definitely been Look at the garbage that's
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: gathered and all the crap that they binmen that to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: deal with. And the reason why there are more men
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: in this job is simply because men have a higher
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: tolerance for risk, because actually garbage collection is dangerous. They
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: have a higher tolerance for disgust, and they have a
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: higher tolerance for discomfort, and they will be that you
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: can incentivize men to do these jobs. It's much more
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: difficult to incentivize women to do these jobs, much more difficult.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much you probably go ban offer them.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: You can't just offer them money.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Now, you have to offer them some kind of prestige,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: some kind of social credit for this job, and you're
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: not going to get it, like with even with carrers
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and cooks, when somebody gets to eat a meal, that
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: is a social credit. When you take care of someone,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you're encouraged, you get an emotional bond with that person,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: like you can.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: You get the appreciation, You get the.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Appreciation at least sometimes, or you get the people believe
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: that you could be appreciated. But trash men are supposed
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: to be invisible. All they really ever get is harassment
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: if they make noise or accidentally leave garbage. So it's like,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: this is not this is a this is a very
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: low low socially like, it's low on the social totem
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: pole in terms of yeah, it doesn't yet. There's not
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of socialization which can improve the quality of
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: a job. This is something I've noticed. Lots of people
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: will go to jobs simply to get themselves out of
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the house and they can talk to people. Yeah, and
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: there's no there's nothing at the end. There's no meal
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: at the end that you can feel satisfaction after having
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: created and somebody enjoys. So there's nothing. There's a complete
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: absence of that kind of social network that improves the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: job in terms of cooking and caring. And also there's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the danger, there's the disgust.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've noticed too, right, Like people are like really
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: not necessarily cognizant of the level of risk there is
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: in collecting garbage. They will put broken glass in a
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: black bag and just not just get out there, not
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: put it in a coffee can or something.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Right, and just leave it on the curb.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: And so like he cuts are one of the biggest
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: things that that garbage collectors have to deal with it
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: And it's not it's not a clean cut, it's not
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: a stereo scalpel risk of it's putrid garbage and it's
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: just and they like you teach your kids this when
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: they're young, when they first start like throwing their own
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: shit away, throwing their own shit in the garbage, cleaning
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: up after themselves.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Right, if you have anything sharp, you have.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: To put it in some kind of container, right, some
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: kind of container that can't break, right, whether that's like
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: a can, or you can before you put it in
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: the garbage, right, because like it's not just the garbage man,
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: it's me.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: When I carry the.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: Bag out to the curb, I could get a cut.
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: So it's like you that. But a lot of people
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: they never even think about it. They don't because maybe
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: they didn't work in a kitchen or whatever where you
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: have a special freaking bucket to put broken glasses and
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: dishes in, because you can't put that in the bag
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: because the dishwasher could end up in the hospital when
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: he carries the bags out. A lot of people just
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: don't even think of it. They don't think of the
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: level of and.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: And that's my accidents, right. Yeah, when I was a kid,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: my mom was on city council in my hometown when
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: I was growing up, so she knew all the trash workers,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: she knew all the cops, she knew all the firemen.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Anybody that worked for the city, she knew them. And
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: we had one of the guys in our community that
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: got dragged into the back of the truck by the hopper.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I still remember like she was red eyed
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: for a month. Every time they'd come by, she would remember,
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: and she didn't see the accident. She just knew the guy.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: And I can't imagine as much as I hit my mom,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: how it hit his kids in his wife and his
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: parents and his siblings, and that kind of risk. It's
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: not a constant, every moment risk, but there is the
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: risk of having that happen. There is the risk of
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: getting hit by the truck as it's moving and you're
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: walking along beside it, and it's not like a little
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: pickup truck.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: It's like getting by.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: A moving building by aer a whole house trailer, right, Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: because it's heavier than most semis. There's risk from in
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: contaminated garbage with something that people don't think about that
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: they shouldn't put in the trash, like we had in
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: I want to say nineteen ninety nine, we had an
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: eight alarm fire in my community.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It was eight alarm.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: Because it was a warehouse where would was start. It
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: was literally a warehouse full of fuel for fire, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: inside it wasn't really heavily attended because it was a
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: warehouse with nothing in it but would so it wasn't
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: like people were going to break in there and steal
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: it all. They really wouldn't get very far. We're talking lumber,
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: huge long pieces. Nobody wouldn't be able to easily cart
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: it off. So it had a lot of animals in it,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: and especially a lot of squirrels. So we ended up
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: with an absolute shitload of squirrels in my neighborhood. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: we ended up with a lot of stray cats because
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: we had a lot of squirrels. And my next door
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: neighbor decided to blame the cats for getting into her
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: trash and not the squirrels. So she put out poisoned
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: meat for the cats, and she put rat poison in
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: her trash and on her trash cans. And needless to say,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: having grown up with my mom on city council and
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: knowing the guys, and I called the city and said, yeah,
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: there is rat poison in and on the trash can
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: dress I saw her do it. She explained why she
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: was doing it. She doesn't understand that if one of
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: the guys gets this into his nose or his mouth,
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: that it could cause serious health problems. And so there
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: there was a whole consequence there that I didn't expect
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: we didn't know she was growing pot in her basement.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: Oh like she got she had all kinds of consequences,
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: really bad story that could go on for half an hour.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Then it all started with.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Just being pissed up, pissed off at the cats.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: At the cat for what the squirrels were doing.
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: But yeah, it's yeah, I know, I know, like these guys,
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: not everybody ills somebody who knows to call the city
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: and say, hey, there's a threat to these guys in
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: this trash.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: So they have to deal with that every day that
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: they go out to work that there could be somebody
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: on their route that has put a contaminant in the
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: trash can that could infect them with an illness, or
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: that could poison them, or that could cut them or
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: something else along those lines. And of course they deserve
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: hazard pay. Yeah, you don't have that situation necessarily when
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: you're working with just cleaning someone's building and stuff like that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: There's there's a possibility you might have to clean up
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: you're an infecal matter. But the PEP for that, the
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: personal protective equipment for that is much simpler and you
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: can see everything that you have to clean up. It's
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: not in a bad.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a big question mark. What's the overall Okay, I'm gonna,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna. Overall point is that men will take these
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: jobs because of a unique let's be honest, if we
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: could recognize this openly, men have a unique approach or
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: our mentality that makes these risks seem less severe to them,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: whether or not it's true, because the waste management and
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: dealing with trash is I just checked these statistics. It's
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the fourth most dangerous job. I think it's even more
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: dangerous than soldier. So it's a very dangerous job. And
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the fact is that these women are saying we should
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: get equal pay to a job, from what I remember,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: is actually either on par or more dangerous than being
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: a soldier, and they want equal pay for that, and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: men are like, no, we're not going to do this job.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: They're probably going into the carrier jobs now because they're
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: getting the pay that they want for a job that's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: significantly less dangerous and significantly less disgusting.
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: They're not getting the pay that they want because in
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: order to not have the city go bankrupt, instead of
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: upping the women's pay, they or the no, they did
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: up the women's pay care then they cut the men's pay.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: To up women's pay and also pay out all the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: equality lawsuits or complaints they went bankrupt. I read this
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: thread through. They went bankrupt paying women for back pay
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of lawsuits, and they had to cut men's
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: pay in order to bring up women's pay.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Why they're really not getting the pay they want, They're
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: just getting the most pay they can get.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, but that's but it goes right into
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that the studies that show that women will reject and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: offer they consider unfair, even if it means that they
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: lose out. Yeah where somebody Yeah, so she's going to
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: get ten bus, someone else gets fifty. She says no,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want it anything. Nobody gets anything. This is
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: on par with that kind of resentment mentality. But the
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: point is that these jobs that men do, they do
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: them because of something of mentality that men have that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: makes these jobs less troublesome, less different, like it's it
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: is a unique value them less onerous physically less onerous obviously,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: but also mentally less onerous because they don't have the neuroticism,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: they don't have the high disgust response and other things
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: like that, So they are drawn to these jobs because
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: they will do them for the pay that's available, and.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: That will they prioritize the pay.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: But they're not to do them because it's still testing
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and dangerous. They're not gonna do them for the if
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: they don't get paid a certain amount. Like you're the
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: thing is that you're appealing to the entire body of men.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be some men who are like, Okay.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, it's not worth it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not worth it. I'm going to go and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a job as a white collar
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: worker with significantly more pay in a much more pleasant environment.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: And I don't even let's pay, but in a more
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: pleasant environment.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: You are appealing to those men who, while they are
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: a subset of men, they're more likely to be men,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: right who are going to be okay with that kind
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: of work for certain amount of pay. So, but it's
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: going to be more likely to be men who are
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: gonna be okay. And they're using that fact. They're using
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the fact that our society needs these men who look
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: at the world in the way they look at the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: world in order to do these jobs. They're using that
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: as an as an.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Evidence of injustice.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Evidence of injustice against women, And then you see these
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: women coming into the comments and somehow they think that
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the injustice means that these men should just do the
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: job for less money, just do the job for less money.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: So they're gonna be paid less than women who are
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: doing much easier jobs, much safer jobs. But they should
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: do that because they owe women. Because they don't like that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: They don't get into the logic of it, you know,
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: they don't. For women, it's about feelings for a minutes,
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: about logic, and men base their decisions. If you went
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: into a school and you started asking the students, what
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: do you want to do when you grow up? Women
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: will name jobs that they think will make them happy.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: Boys girls will name jobs they think will make them happy.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Boys will name jobs they think will make them money.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: And it's almost universal. It's not universal, and there'll be
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: girls that understand the importance of making money, but.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: It'll be a.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: Pretty stark divide. Most of the girls will be talking
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: about or jobs that will make them popular, prestigious. I
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: want to do this because people love people who do this.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: And when veterinarian civil.
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: Rights lawyer, but not a large animal and livestock veterinarians no.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: A puppy and kitten veterinarian. Yeah, and it'll always makes
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: me think of that line from Julie Brown because I'm
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: a blond.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: They want to be a veginarian because I love children.
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: But this guys already know by the time they're sixteen,
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: in fact, by the time they're fourteen, that money is
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: a lot more important in determining what kind of job
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: they want to do then how the job makes them
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: feel or you know, how the job contributes to their
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: reputation in the world in a popularity way as opposed
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: to in a Yes, this guy's contributing something to the
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: community way. And if a listener doesn't know the difference,
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: it's probably because you're a girl.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: My youngest.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: He went and he looked at the Nate North Northern
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: Alberta Institute of Technology for programs. He's been struggling to
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: figure out a way to get into a skilled trade
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: and it's really not easy.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: It's not easy.
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: It's one of those things where you have to know
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: somebody and have them be willing to take a chance
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: on you, take responsibility for you, to apprentice you. And
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: so it's hard to break in that way. But Nate
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: now offers skilled trades programs, and he initially he was
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: like automotives, but that program was full, so then he
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: was just like, Okay, I picked welding. He got accepted
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: and and he's going to be starting in the fall too.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Pretty lucrative, Yeah it can be.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: It's so what my grandpa did.
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: It's probably pretty boring, but it'll make you good money.
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: And it's probably more boring than even being an auto mechanic,
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: because an auto mechanic has like all kinds of mysteries
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: to solve all the time. But but yeah, no, he's
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: just yeah, no, I want to make more money. And
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: I it's not like he grew up thinking I want
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: to be a welder.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I think, oh, I think ultimately the what's happening here
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and with these comments, because I particularly want to look
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: at the comments so that the excuse for giving women
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: more money was that more men were in these jobs.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: So I want.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: To drill down women in the jobs.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I want to drill down into this because I think
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: this is because they are dangerous there, they are disgusting,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: and they are difficult, but they're essential. So you got linemen,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: you've got road repair, you've got sewer work. You got
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: trash pickup and men are attracted to these are not
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: attracted to these jobs. I don't want to say attracted.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Nobody's attracted these jobs. Men will do these jobs because
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: they have a lower They don't have the high risk
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: assessment that women have, they don't have the neuroticism, they
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: have the physical strength and they have Generally men's institution
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: is more suited to dealing with extremes of discomfort. I'm
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: not saying that, yep. I'm not saying this is something
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: that is they should be held to, but it's just
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: something that they bring as a result of being men
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: to the table. So you have these jobs that men
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: take and they're absolutely critical, and they're critical because part
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: of their criticality is because they're difficult, dangerous and uncomfortable,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: all right, And they take them because of their nature.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: So you're going to always end up with men more
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: likely to be in these jobs because and it's not
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: even just because of their constitution, just because of their
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: low risk assessment, just because women are more neurotic. It's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: also because men tend to be in a physical sense,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: more willing to get out there and do things that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: they believe help others right, Because I remember listening to
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: a man who created a company, the Black Men created
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a company that went into people's houses when their sewers
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: got backed up and clean it up. And he said,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he did it is because
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: he wanted to help people when they're dealing with something
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: really disgusting and disturbings destroying their upsetting up setting. And
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: he wanted to go in there and make people feel
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: better about their about well, just save people essentially from shit. Yeah,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: and have also are motivated by that. They are there's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: something in them and this is what we use when
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: we do conscription and draft. There's something in men that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: wants to put themselves between their social group and unpleasant,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: dangerous and horrible things.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like the baggaries of nature. The Yeah, no, it's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: it is like that kind.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: Of I posted a some dude had drawn like a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: diagram of society, basically little stick drawings and stuff, and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: he was just like, women just will not understand that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: they're in the center and there's a perimeter of men
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: on the outside.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we need that, and we need I'm gonna
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: get to my point. I'm great, I'm gonna get to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: my point, we need that, we need men doing that,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: but those jobs will always be majority men because of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: the reasons why we've outlined, which means those jobs will
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: always be vulnerable to these kinds of narratives. So we
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: are as a society, we are You take that perimeter
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you talked about, Karen, we are literally poking at it
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: from the inside, break it and it's insanity. It's not going.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: This is not you know why.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: You know why because functions not because not every man
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: is willing to man the peri perimeter.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, but there's a rather large number of
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: them that when we're standing on Yeah, we're poking those guys.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: We're poking those guys. We're trying to take down those guys,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: the ones who are willing to stand watch on the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: perimeter and fight off the saber tooth.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Is that like white overall? Point is how long can
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: our society sustain such insane behavior as that? And we're
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: seeing the breaks in Birmingham and apparently other places in
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: the UK where they bankrupted in the municipal government trying
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: to use the fact that women are thinking we don't
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: paid as much because men are taking these jobs that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: are more dangerous and difficult and getting the pay misery
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: to that. We don't get paid. So you're destroying that perimeter.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: We are literally destroying our perimeter of our society. That's behavior.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: They're not enstroying a bunch of things. It's not just
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: the perimeter. It is the perimeter, but it's not just
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: the perimeter. That image of all the trash piled up,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: for instance, all right, I know where the local dump
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: is in my community. If they stopped picking up the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: trash here, I would put a bunch of it in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: the back of my van and drive it. And it's
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: not because I want that in the back of my van.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: It's because I want it off my doorstep. And you
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: know how to do. Most people have forgotten that kind
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: of knowledge. And they're not willing to go down there
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: and go to the gate and pay money to take
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: the track in and dump it. They're not willing to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: lift it, they're not willing to carry it. It's that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: people have stopped they're so dependent on these men, the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: scaffolding of men, and the wall of men around them,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: and the roof of men over them, and then the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: men among them that actually protect women from each other.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and the men who make hot water come out
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: of your shower head.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: Yes, they're all invisible to women, yep. And a huge
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: aspect of that is male disposability. A huge aspect of
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: that is that men's comfort doesn't matter to these women.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: A huge aspect of that is that men have forgotten,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: or women have forgotten, what men have endured to get here.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: If you look at a welding mask today, it probably
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: doesn't look too dramatically different from my grandpa's old welding mask.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: I keep this right next to me on my desk,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: not because there is anything particular about welding in and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: of itself, but because it was my grandpa's, and it
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: reminds me of some things about these types of jobs
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: that people don't necessarily always consider, Like when I tell
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: the story of how my grandparents met, which is both
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: awful and romantic, so it's not really my kind of story.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: But my grandpa got very badly injured, and my grandmother
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: was a nurse. He didn't get it wasn't a welding injury.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: He was working as a welder, but they dropped a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: concrete drainage ditch liner on him from a height taller
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: than himself and crushed his whole leg. My grandpa and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: my uncle Bios had horrific accidents like that. My uncle
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: got his arm caught in a rubber press and it
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: took it all the way up.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: To his elbow.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: Neither one of them would have expected to have those
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: injuries at their jobs. Grandpa would have expected to get burned.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: He would have expected to maybe have metal fall on
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: him that broke apart. He could have expected to be cut,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: He could have expected heat sickness, But that concrete that
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: could have landed on his head just as easily as
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: on his leg. And he could have had somebody that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: didn't take good care of him. He could have gotten
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: an infection, he could have died from blood poisoning. But
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: he had a great nurse who was a great caregiver
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: and very humble, and she really did take great care
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: of him his whole life after they got together, after
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: he got out of the hospital. But the point is,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: the level of risk that men take and the scope
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: of risk that men take in their jobs does not
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: get considered when we have these types of discussions, even
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: men and women doing the exact same job under the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: exact same title. I was a nurse's aide. There's lots
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: of people that have been nurses aids in hospital, and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of hospitals are called house texts and just
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: texts and stuff like that. My ex fiance before I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: got married, he was also a house tech. There's something
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: he had to do that I never in my whole
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: life have had to do as part of any job,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: including when I worked as a security guard. And that
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: is when there was a kid in Lima, Ohio who
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: was brought in after a failed attempt and least instantly
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: failed attempt at executing him with a gun. He died
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: in the hospital. They couldn't stop bleeding and he just
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: couldn't make it right. Then after that, his buddies all
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: showed up and they rioted around the hospital. And what
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: the hospital did was make all the men stand in
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: the doorways and keep the gang bangers from getting in,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: including the house sex. The women didn't have to do that,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: the nurses, the administrators, the female.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: House possy cometatas right, there was possy cometatus still exists.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a minimum wage job. That is a minimum
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: wage job.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: And women complain about men's nature there.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, women complain about pay equality, But women are not
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: asked to do things like that, and they still get
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: paid to do that job the same that a man
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: gets paid to do that job.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: You remember when and this is a bit of a digression,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you remember the first ICMI when we were going to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: go and I propose that the women actually stand out
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: front if there is protesters. I think that's one of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the few times that would have been situation like that.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: But yeah, but yeah, it looks.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Absolutely terrible to have a bunch of protesters storm women.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Yea, and assault a bunch of women.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The International Conference for Men's Issues for with anybody
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: who was wondering the first one was under a lot
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: of threat in terms of protest and even threats.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: Bomb threat in fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: That the initial venue that we booked canceled on us
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: kind of last second because they were receiving bomb and
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: arson and death threats to the not just to the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: conference speakers and attendees, but to the whole of all
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: of the people in the hotel, including guests and hotel staff.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: Was and even in Chicago, right, I think you didn't
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: disclose the location.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't, not it was publicly. It wasn't until
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: the second day.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: In that it was discovered.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: It was discovered and a Twitter user engaged in portress
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: tortuous interference.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, mister, mister takes down m R As who he
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: attempted to call in the big guns. He like tagged
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: a bunch of famous feminists and none of them paid
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: him any attention. But he tried, He really did try.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: But he tried to get He tried to get the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: venue to cancel that basically kick us out. And it's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: no but that venue and we can say it. Yeah,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: the sherit.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: And yeah, they were very fair.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah they were They.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: Knew well in advance while we were negotiating the contract.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: They knew that there was a possibility that there would
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: be these kinds of problems, that there could be protests,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: that there could be civil unrest.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: That's why we even vandalism and things like that.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: And and they were willing to accept us at their venue.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: And honestly, the woman, I forget what her name was
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: that we were talking with, she said, as long as
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: you're better behaved than a fifteen year old boy's hockey
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: te hockey team, yeah, hockey game, you're not going to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: be throwing in the atrium up seven floors and trying
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: to like throw chicken nuggets into some businessman's drink down
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: in the lobby.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: Bar are you? And I was just like, we're very
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: well behaved.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: But you're incredibly well behaved. But yeah, and nothing occurred,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: probably because on the website. And this is I did
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: this specifically. On the website I had, even though we
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: had a whole bunch of speakers, I put my face,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Karen's face, and Brian's face front and center. And I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: did that for the same reason that I suggested that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: women go during the first ICMI form a barrier in front.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: It's because two women and a man of color.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Two women and a man of color. Anybody who goes
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: to the website immediately and that is it's like it's
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: almost like a charm for protection.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I know that sounds really bad, but anyway, it just
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: made me think of that.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: But well, you have to attacking the people that you
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: would ordinarily be claiming to try to and you have.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: To show do you have to send media, and media
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: has to go and look at our mugs. Karin's smiling mug,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Karen looking like a radical lesbian separatist. Sorry, Karen, an
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: attractive one one that's gonna have like a harem of
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: twenty women. Oh sweet, of you lie like that, but yeah,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: you just look at us and of course me with
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: my wild hair looking like a feminist academic god that
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: just crawled out of her basement of the physics building.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: But like, there are no feminists in the physics building.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: They're always women's stud He's yeah, you're right there, women
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: to build it.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Okay. So anyway, so we've got we've situated ourselves. We're like,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: it's charm, but in this case it's men who formed
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: the peripherary, and now we have this narrative to keep
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: poking it. So we have and again, not just the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: periphery that keeps society safe, but also the structure of
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: society that keeps it running and moving. And we have
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: this narrative that's that specifically designed to destroy it.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: We are destroying.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Ourselves with this. This is not okay. So this is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: what these women get. Okay, congratulations, ladies, you got a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: nice fat what a thousand pounds payout at the expense
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: of everybody else in your society in your town. Yeah,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: like everybody else is paying for you so shortsighted, and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: then you've bankrupted your municipal government in all of your claims.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: You have constructed this gigantic mess of garbage that I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: wish people on the shorts could see, because it's it's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: actually depressing to look at. It's a gigantic wall of
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: garbage in the street that some that some lady is
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: walking past and trying not to look at.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: It's an overflowing you got a dumpster that the lid
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: can't close. You've got a bin that the lid can't close,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: New York, and then you've got like a massive mound
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: of I don't know, garbage rack everywhere, seventy five more
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: garbage cans.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a woman who's just trying not to look
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: at it because her life has turned into a flog
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: through garbage. So instead of men having to deal with this,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: now women have to deal with it on the way
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: to their shops, on the way to their nail appointments,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: on the way to the library, on the way to
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: the win.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: I wonder if they'll start appreciating the men at any point,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: or if they'll just get mad.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: They're already at explaining how they offense at having been
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: paid less means that men are owe them picking up
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the garbage for free. Their offense substituted reality with their offense.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: And the other thing I noticed about the comments, and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to drill down in the comments, is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: there was one woman who basically said, because she thought
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: caretaking was less honorous or more onerous, more difficult, more prestigious,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: more whatever else, that should be paid more, that these
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: men should just dismiss the experience of their own experience,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: so that the mental experience has been as trash take
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: as trash men, you just dismissed. It just doesn't exist anymore,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: just floats away into the ether. And their experience of
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: it being difficult, disgusting, dangerous, all of that is completely
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: negated by her offense that they made more money, and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: that she that carrors are more important than trash takers,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: like she thinks that therefore men's opinion on the matter
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: is irrelevant.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Wasn't this rad femme earth witch?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: It might have been, Yeah, it might have been, So
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: it's no.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: Like she's the one that made me say. Allison needs
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: to be here to read these comments in a raven
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: moondragon voice, because I swear yeah.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: This' and it's it is absolute insanity, and it's I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: think it comes from the fact that women think that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: men's perspective is there's this. And I'm not saying all
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: women do, because obviously we got a panel of women
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: that don't. But they think that men's perspective on their
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: experience is illegitimate, like they Jesus, Oh, you think that
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: your job is more dangerous. You're showing me stats that
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: it's more dangerous. You're showing me stats about getting injuries
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: and diseases from your job as a trash collector. I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: don't think that's correct, because I'm offended by the idea
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: that because you are a man, you're doing a harder job.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I'd buy that, So therefore you're not.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: There's something else interesting in her something else interesting in
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: her comment, right, So she says the first sentence here,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: and you gotta let me finish with this. So a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: council that can't manage its finances is struggling to provide
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: a service that residents are paying for in their council tax.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: So I just want to stop there for a second,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: all right, the government doesn't pick up the trash, you
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: can pay the government a million bucks. And if the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: government cannot find people who are willing to do the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: job and get paid for doing the job, then you
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: don't get the trash picked up. Because I guarantee you
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: your government officials are not going to come out of
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: their cushy offices and come down to your street with
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: big trucks and lift up your trash bags and throw
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: them in. They're not going to pick up your trash
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: and they're going to leave your trash on the street
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: until they can find men that are beneath them in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: station in their opinion, to go pick up your trash.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: And to do that, they have to pay those men
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: what those men want for that job, because those men
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: aren't going to do that job that they don't pay it. Yeah,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: And doesn't understand is that just because she has handed
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: money over to someone does not mean someone owes her
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: is going to pick it up, because there she's talking
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: about two different someones. You handed your money to Representative X.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: Bob the trash collector who has gone on strike because
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: Representative X is no longer paying him enough, doesn't owe
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: you anything. He's not paid, he's not getting that money.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: It's not his obligation to pick up your trash. Yeah,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: that has affected this conversation. Conversation for the entire time.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: There's been this myth of a wage gap in terms
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: of these types of job and in the way that
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: women try to count their housekeeping that they do at
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: home for themselves as part of the lake that their
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: employers should pay them for. They were hired to cook
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: their eggs for themselves for breakfast in the morning.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: No, and you look at radfam earth witch right Now,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: I'm not valuing all jobs the same, but it's a
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: well studied societal trait that professions mostly staffed by women,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: such as cooking or caring, are devalued in comparison to
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: similar professions largely staffed by men. Okay, so then go
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: into garbage collection.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's reversing the logic there. She's claiming that these
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: jobs only get paid less because women do them. Yeah,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: which is not true.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Not true.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: These jobs only get paid less because it doesn't take
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: that much incentive to get people to do them.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's as simple as that. And it's a complete
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: And then they turn around and one woman said, why
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: don't men take care jobs? And it's the problem is
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: that they're.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: Because they don't pay as much men do take carrier
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: jobs actually, and they get harassed out of them by
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: people who suggest that the only reason that they're there
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: is because they're predatory.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, and but the other thing is
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: that these women are looking at a situation where nobody's
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: picking up the trash, and they're saying, in response to it,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: why don't men take care jobs. I'm trying to there
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: is an emotional logic behind that, and it is there
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: has to be a way to explain it, but I'm struggle.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I've been struggling with it all day.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: No, there is no way to explain it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: What funny about this is that I've been in a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: conversation with some women who had some entitled things to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: say about being housewives, and the logic was solid in
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: that have some knowledge, have a trade, be able to
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: earn a living, because you can't just depend on a
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: man your whole life. Okay, that's fact. That's it's good
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: to advise girls when they're growing up, is going to
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: earn money. So that even if you agree to be
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: a housewife and you and your partner are all on
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: board with that and everything, if something happens to him
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: when you need to provide for him. You don't want
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: that to be the time when you start trying to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: build your skills, right. But the way that she was
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: talking about it was like, you can't necessarily count on
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: exploiting a man your whole life, so you better be
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: ready to earn a living, and the discussions migrated into
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: you're not independent. Women like to consider themselves independent, but
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: your whole life, from the day you're born till.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: The day you die.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: Most women are never more than three feet away from
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: something a man has done for them, even if he
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: hasn't been thinking of them when he did it. Like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: I'm sure the man that built a desk that my
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: computer is on wasn't thinking of me when he built
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: a desk. He was building it for his family, and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: it's been inherited down through my husband's family. But that
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: is something that a man did that I am benefiting from.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: That is an inch away from my knee, and right
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: over there is a light that that is powered by electricity.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: Two percent, something like two percent of the electrical energy
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: workforce is women, at least the part the parts that
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: actually do the electrician jobs and the power line repair
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: and maintenance and so on. Like in the desks there
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: might be more women, but the parts that actually keep
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: the electricity coming into my house and powering that light,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: that's all men, all but two percent, and that all
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: women have that, and especially in Western culture, because we
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: have so many amenic in Western culture that we take
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: for granted, the clean not just clean water, and the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: fact that the trash gets taken away by somebody, and
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: that we have electricity, and we have toilets, and we
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: have appliances of every We have so many things that
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: we don't think about. Chairs that are comfortable because they're
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: cush air cleaning systems in your house. I have an
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: air filter because of my allergies. Everything like that has
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: components in it or the entire thing has been built
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: by men. It's been transported mostly by men. The trucking
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: industry is mostly men. It's also one of the most
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: dangerous jobs out there. Most of the deaths that take
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: place in the American workforce are from road accidents. Roadway accidents.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: So women don't really think about it, but you rarely
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: touch anything that you didn't depend on a man in
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: order to have that army. Yeah, usually an army of men.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: The big disconnect that I got from these women. I
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: bought those things myself, with my own money that I earned.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't have been there for you to buy it, Yeah,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: if it weren't for men. And one of them came
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: back to me with she thought she was arguing with
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: a dude. We only exists because of a I gave birth.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: I exist, and I know my kid exists. My parents existed,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: and my grandparents existed because an army of men built
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: a hospital. I exist now today because a man walked
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: into the delivery room when I was getting birth giving
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: birth and said, who turned off that monitor? And then
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: got about that tall and then he took me in
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: another room and cut me open and pulled my baby
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: out because I was going to die and the baby
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: was going to die. And I exist because men saved
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: my mother's life when she was a teenager. I exist
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: because a man did the work to feed his family
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: when my mom was growing up.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Our inability to recognize the unique value that men provide
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: society is destroying it. And this is evidence of that
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: we men gravitate towards these jobs because of a neat
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: unique value they provide, and they deserve extra pay because
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: of it. And this is the thing that this woman
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: is having trouble with. She thinks because women should get
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: equal pay. Even though this is nothing. A woman could
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: go and do this job and get the same pay,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: presumably if she can keep up. So it's not an
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: issue of by it. It's just an issue of men
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: having something special. Yeah, and look to them that enables
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: them to do a job that, due to market forces,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: pays more. That's it. And because we can't acknowledge that
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: and just allow it to exist, we are destroying the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: benefits that we get from it.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: Now we get to wade in garbage and more than one.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: It's like that.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: It's like that argument on Everybody Loves Raymond, the Jar
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: of Fat argument his parents, Frank and Marie, and they're
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: having an argument, and then she brings up the jar
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: of fat, and Raymond's oh god.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: Here we go, ok. And then she explains her position
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: about how she's unappreciated and Frank has never appreciated her.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: She collected that jar of fat only the best drippings
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: from only the best cuts of meat. When all of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: this and she had this jar of fat, and then.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: He dumped out all of the fat that she painstakingly
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: collected over months. He dumped it in the trash so
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: he could use it for.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: Change, to keep his change.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: And then he comes in and he says, I was
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: out there busting my hump every day, right, and if
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: I needed change to pay the tolls so I could
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: go to and from work so I could bring home
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: the money, right, then I deserved that.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: Jar and screw your fat. And it was just like
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: it was just so perfect, this idea. But it's like
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: you have these.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: Men, right, and it is like that Chris Rock sketch
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: where he's Lo's always mama, right, Mama needs compliments, Mama
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: needs this.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Dad says, you tell your mother that was a great meal.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: You tell your mother thank you for this, You tell
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: you when and Daddy doesn't get to expect anything. Nobody's
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: telling the kids to say, hey dad, but you really
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: knocked out the rent this month. Hey dad, I sure
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: can't read good with all this light. And and it's
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: so like women they gravitate towards these social jobs because
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: they are constantly getting thanked.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: Yep, men gravitate. Men don't. It's not that they don't graviate.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: It's not gravitating that they gravitate towards jobs that are
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: sankless because they don't want thanks.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: It's just they don't need them. No say not in
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: the same way, not constantly, and it's like they're okay.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: Often they would prefer to be invisible. They would prefer
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: let you not notice when they pick up your trash.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: They would prefer that you not notice when they're fixing
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: something when they're coming. And I've even had this when
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 6: we had to have a furnace and water heat replace.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: The guy was like, absolutely did not want me to
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: be like they're giving He didn't. I offered him coffee,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: I offered him a glass of water, I offered him this,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: I offered him that, and he was just like, no,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: it's okay.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: And it's just they just don't need it. In that way.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: They know they're doing something really good for you, they
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: know you're gonna be really happy when it's done. They
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: know they're making your life better. You don't need to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: be effusive and congratulate them on being just like so
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: great that it's I'm really enjoying all this heat now.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: We just need to recognize it for shit.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: For it get shipped for it, and it's.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: And yeah, no, if you have to go into people's
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: homes and replace a furnace and water heater, which is
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: quite a job, right, If you have to go into
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: someone's home and snake their freaking main sewer line.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: If you have to go into some if you have
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: to go pick up their garbage. If you have to
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: do all of those things, and you often.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: Try and do them in the least intrusive way possible,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: the least inconvenient way.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: You don't want.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: You don't want them to even notice that you're there,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: because you don't want to disturb their daily routine. And
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: it's just yeah, no, they want they I'm sure they
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: feel appreciated once the job's done, but sometimes just knowing
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: that the job was done and it was done well,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: and that the person is going to be happy and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: appreciate it, whether they say so or not, whether they
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: send you a Christmas card or not, you know, that's
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: enough for them. They don't need the constant Oh, dinner
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: was delicious, Right, dinner was delicious, Thanks mom.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: They don't need that the way women do.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Can I get it here real quick. I'm just trying
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: to make sure that people can hear me that are watching.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I added my microphone and it looks like it is working.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: So I just I really got to read some messages
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: that we got from the chat that we've missed from
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: a while back.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: So okay, and then Gary.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: Country, Yes it's not your country, every country.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Gary gives us five dollars and says, I work in
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: the hospitality industry and I have to take the garbage
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: out and I can't count the number of times I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: got cut by broken glass when I first started the job.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: I also had to clean up a case of literal
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: explosive diarrhea in the men's room last week.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: I was able to.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: And I bet you're doing it. I bet there are
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: women in your workplace and you're the one who has
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yepy, I man.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: When I worked at the gas station, I've had a
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: lot of different jobs because I like to try everything.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: But I worked at a gas station for about six years.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: When I was working there, none of the other gals
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: would clean that kind of mess up. And there was
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: one Friday and when I was working there, that somebody
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: had been sick in one of the bathrooms. And I
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: can't even remember anymore. It was either the men's or
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: the women's because we had each one of them was
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: just you open the door and there's a sink and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: a toilet and four feet of space was really tiny,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: but you could lock it. And so they were separate,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: and they had put an out of order sign on
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: one of them, so everybody was directed to use the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: other one. And so that cut the number of toilets
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: available in half on a Friday, during our busy season,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: during our busy hours. And I'm like, what happened? Because
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: if the toilet was clogged, I could fix that and
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: we didn't have to wait for the plumber to get there.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: There was that we had a customer that basically if
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: you poured hot water in after that customer defecated, it
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: would solve the problem. It would dissolve all of whatever
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: kind of fat this person consumes. That turned their poop
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: into literal candle wax. But yeah, that kind of work
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: can be gross. Yeah, but this was puke. This was
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: a puke incident and the girls were just not wanting
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: to willing to clean it up. It was the men's
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: because they were waiting for the assistant manager to come
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: back on Monday, so they're going to leave the restroom
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: out of order from Friday until Monday and then have
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: him clean up the puke.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: And I was just, you.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: Can't leave that for him. That's it's not just gonna
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: be rancid, it's gonna be three day old boiled food
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: in the sink. So I went in and I cleaned
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: it up. I put on personal protective gear, and the
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: manager got mad at me, but I was like, I'm
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: the cook. I have to I can't just but I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: went in and cleaned it up.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: And because I'm you for putting on protective gear.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's supposed to be for bigger biological messes than that,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: if somebody gets shot and bleeds all over that carpet.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right, you're the cook.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: I'm the cook. So I yeah, on an apron, I
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: put on gloves, I cleaned everything, and then I scrubbed
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: up like a surgeon when I got done.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't have been doing that anyway, and they should, Yeah,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: that should.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: Have been doing it, but they wasn't even gonna make them.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: And so that was the thing.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: It was all women in the store that day, and
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: so by the time I got done, it.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Was in it.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: I suppose it was. It's not any grosser than cleaning
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: up any other puke. And I had kids, and my
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: husband has food allergies that make in puke, and I'm
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: pretty much used to that particular bodily fluid, So it
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: wasn't a big deal for me. But I took great
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: pleasure in coming out and explaining how I knew exactly
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: how I was able to discern that it had been
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: a particular brand of diet TV dinner.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Oh good lork. Okay, all those poor bitches never did
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: that again.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: They like it was easier for them going and clean
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: it up.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Honestly, But that you are unique, face out. I think
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: everybody on this panel is unique. So we probably have
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of bathrooms just being closed for days
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: because women won't go in and clean them.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you are the exception that was the rule.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: Really Yeah, Yeah, this has worked. It's been that way,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: So let's leave it for a dude. Let's leave it
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: for a dude.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: There was this one time, Okay, we had similar bathrooms,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 6: one toilet each, men's and women's at the restaurant where
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: I worked for twelve years, and and yeah, I went
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 6: down to do the nightly wipe down before closing, and
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: somebody had horked a LOOKI in the sink and I
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: went to rinse it down, but it was it had
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 6: been there long.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Enough with Joe.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I was I and I.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: I was two months pregnant.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: Oh god, so it was joined with vomit.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: I just started heaving and I just I went upstairs
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: and I told my boss, and I'm just trying to
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: explain to him what the issue is. And as I'm
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: trying to explain to him, I'm thinking about it, and
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: I started heaving again, and I I was just like,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: I can't do it.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: I can't I have morning sickness. I can't do it.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: I can't do the bathroom tonight.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a handicap more and god, okay, but yeah, No,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: there was some fucked up shit that I found in
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: those bathrooms. I think probably my most fun bathroom find.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: It was clearly intended for me to be upset about it. Okay,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: but I'm a smart ass, and so I appreciate a
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: good smart ass. I carted a guy for beer who
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: was clearly at least forty, probably in his fifties, and
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: he was pissed off about it, and he bought his
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: beer and he went out to his truck and he
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: came back in, and either way, I didn't have a choice.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: We were obligated. We had to card, and we were
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: on camera, so if I didn't card, I got caught.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: The closest dygot to breaking that rule was I had
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: a Korean War veteran come in and he was embarrassed
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: because he forgot his license. He was like, Okay, I'll
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: just come back and get it tomorrow. And I was
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: just like, this is ridiculous. I know when the Korean
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: War was, you can't possibly be under twenty one. Open
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: your wallet and show me anything, just don't point it
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: at the camera. And he showed me his ID as
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: military ID, and I was like, not the official one
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: that but he had a thing that said he was
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: a Korean War veteran and that told me his age.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: It wasn't an officially accepted ID. But this guy, he
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: was a jerk about it. And this other guy and
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: he went back out to his car and he come
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: back in and like all right, and he's like, where's
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: your bathroom? He's down the hallway and he goes in
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: there and then he comes back out and he leaves
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: in about maybe fifteen minutes later. I went in there
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: to do the nightly clean up, and it was pretty
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: obvious that he had just whipped it out and peeded
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: all the way around the room. I had like out
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: wall level about four feet off the floor. Oh god,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: the bathroom had a drain in the floor, so it
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: wasn't like the cleanup of that was really simple. I
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: just made a bucket of sanitizer and poured it down.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: The wall all the way around the room.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't even really a big challenge for me.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: But I just got this mental image of.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: I got hurt, you know. It was just like, oh
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: my god, buddy, you sure did.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And like I know, I was supposed to get
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: upset about it, but I do appreciate a good smart
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: ass fine piss on you.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, most most ridiculous thing I've ever found in a
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: yurin all, Yeah, a tomato slice?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: What the hell?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 6: Why would you even The bathrooms are like where this was.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: The bathrooms are down a flight of stairs, the down.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: Taking a peaser fourteen.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 9: But that I appreciated it, yea, I appreciated it, And
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 9: I'm just like, why would you bring a tomato slice
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 9: down there, like you had to carry it across the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 9: floor upstairs and then all the way down the stairs
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 9: and then put it in the urinal.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: Just why would you? I don't understand, but I do
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: know it was probably a man who did it, or
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: a young boy.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: Maybe he didn't want to eat the tomato on his
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 6: burger and his parents were gonna make him.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have found.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: Poop in the urinal. And okay, a month later, the
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: urinal was removed. They decided they wanted to get rid
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: of it because we had a urinal, not a poop andole.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: And after that the boys from the school next door
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: decided that they to ignore the fact that it had
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: been taken out. Well, so for a time Matt Wall
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: was just stayed yellow. But yeah, for going, that's nothing.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: Don't get me started on the women's room.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you about yeah, oh no, no, When whenever the
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: sewer backed up at that place that I worked, it
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: was always some woman who'd flushed a feminine hygiene product.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: We didn't we had some of that. But my worst
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: issue at the gas station, honestly was the woman who
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: came in and we weren't entirely sure whether she.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Pooped on the wall and.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: Was trying to wipe it off, or whether she actually
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: was just playing in it.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: And then there was.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: Like, if you sat on the toilet in that bathroom,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: within arms reached, there were two trash cans. Okay, there
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: was the one over on the other side of the
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: sink for all the different types of trash, and then
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: there's the one right next to the toilet paper that
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: was specific for women's things like your tampons and your
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: pads and all that stuff. All right, so there is
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: no excuse to stick your maxipad to the wall.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: None.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Oh good lord, But I would find it on a regular.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: Basis, like why what is wrong with you? And I
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: would clean that mess up to that tamhuns on the floor,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: period products on the floor, blood on the floor. Yeah,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: when women are horrible.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 6: And what I always hated was urine splash on the
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: seat in a women's bathroom, Like.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: How the fuck do you miss?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: If we all just agree, if we all just.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: Agree that we're all not gonna hover, We're all just
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: gonna put our butt on the seat, okay, there won't ever.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: Be a splash that you have to hover.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, or because the last person was a hoverer, right, Yeah,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: it's you eliminate the problem by all just collectively agreeing
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 6: not to have what do you think is on that
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: toilet seat that's going to be a problem, right, some
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 6: invisible germs or whatever. Right, spider, you don't need a liner.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: Right because it's literally only contacting your skin. It's not
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: getting anywhere if you sit on a toilet seat properly.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: The only thing that touches it is your butt cheeks
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 6: and your thighs.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Also goes around too.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: But as you were seeing that stupid Facebook post that
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: goes around to scare the crap out of women about oh,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: you have to watch out for it's the translation of
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: the name is something like the rosy butt spider. It's
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: really dumb, but it shows a picture of a reddish
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: brown spider under the seat of the toilet.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 9: Oh, these things have a deadly bite and you should
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 9: never just sit on the toilet seat and all this stuff.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: Actually picked up a spider from a toilet seat.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: Wentz and I did.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: I got another superchow bodily fluids. Let's get back the topic.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got another superchow, and I think that we've
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: been going for almost two hours. Now, Gary gives us
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: five dollars and says, speaking of puke, awesome.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: Just that's good. At least you had a manager that
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: was decent. A lot of them will just pawn that
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: off on an underling.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: And it sounds like in your workplace, the female underlings
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: pawned off on their male manager.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like honestly, there was this one time when I
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: was working at Tony Romas, this old man walked in
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 6: asked he use the restroom, and he didn't want to,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: he didn't want to stay and eat, He just needed,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: really needed to.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: Use the restroom.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: And then when he came back out, he told the hostess,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: I didn't make it in time, and there's a mess
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 6: in there. And yeah, I think he managed to get
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 6: his pants off, but he didn't get but aligned m
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: hm and properly aimed until it started coming out through
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 6: the eye of a needle at a thousand miles an hour.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so yeah, it was all, oh God.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 6: And yeah, the dishwasher that day, she was really not happy. Yeah,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: she was just like, oh God, because though that's usually
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: the person who at least big places.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: Most people to leave that and I have been on
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: the other side of that conversation too, which is because
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: I've been the person that has to clean it up.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: When I got sick in a bathroom, I was pregnant,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: and I hadn't been pregnant for very long, and I
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: made the mistake of eating too much fat at once
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: and eating that much fat. But you crave a lot
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: of things when you're pregnant that you don't normally eat
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: a lot, and I didn't just eat too much fat.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: I ate fast food fat. So it was something like
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: two muffins plus a bunch of other things I tried. Yeah,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: and I had a gall bladder attack. Oh first and
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: only when I had my entire life, went into a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: speedway bathroom, coated the floor and then cleaned it up
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: with paper towels, And because I wasn't sure it wasn't
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: the flu, I went out and told the worker in there, yeah,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: all over your floor. I'm very sorry. I cleaned it up,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: but you might want to take your sanitizer in there.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: And she just looked at me and she goes, you what,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: And I said, I just threw up on your floor,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: and she goes.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you cleaned it up.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: It's like were they gonna leave it for you.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: But yeah, nobody apparently ever did that before. Yeah, and
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: usually when people do come out and tell you, it's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: all over the walls, it's all over the toilets, And
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: usually yeah, is a dude that gets sent in.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the topic, and probably I can.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like Brian.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: Is I believe we Herian's getting ready to wrap up.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so I'm okay, final thoughts on this. So
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: we have a bunch of women who think that the
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: offense as a result of being paid less brought than
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: men for not equivalent jobs. These aren't the same jobs.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: So we're talking about cooks there weren't being paid as
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: much as trash collectors and as a result of all
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: the equal pay lawsuits based on dissimilar jobs. Now, this
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: is the thing, guys, it's their scope creep. Now. Now
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: it is a situation where men are in a completely
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: different job, paid completely different wages that the women could
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: get if they were in that job. But because women
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: take a different job that's more popular, has more social cachet,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: more thanks, more potential for positive interaction, shall we say,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: because they get paid less and the more popular, more
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: attractive job. Now they're suing to get paid the same,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: bankrupting a municipality, leading to men being paid significantly less
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: in order to cover the difference, leading to men leaving
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: their jobs as trash collectors because it's not worth it
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: unless you get the additional pay. Yep, maybe trying to
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: get a job as a care now that they pay more,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: but regardless, So we have this situation now as a
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: direct result of feminist conjecture about why women are paid less.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: And one of the problems is that we can't recognize
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: that men are in these jobs that pay more because
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: of certain factors, due to their disposition and their constitution. So, yes,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: these jobs attract men, but it's because men have a
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: unique value proposition. They're more physically capable, they're more capable
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: of dealing with constitutional challenges like temperature ships. Because trash
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: collectors are outside, they are more risk tolerant, so a
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: job that's more likely to get them dead, they're not
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: as concerned about that. And they're not as concerned about
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: thanks because often they don't need it in their jobs,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: and trash collecting is a very thankless job. And also
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: men are more able, I think to know that they're
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: important to how the system runs, so there's more systemic thinkers,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: so they can say, hey, I'm this cog of doing
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: this thing. And even though nobody actually goes out and
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: thanks me, I know what I am because I understand
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: how I work in the entire I know my own value,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: and they're fine with that. And because of all of that,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: we are losing these jobs. We are actively in a
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: battle because of feminist conjecture about why women are paid
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: less and the fact that we can't accept that men
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: actually do have their own unique value proposition, thus gravitate
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: towards these jobs where they make more but are more difficult.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: We are in a world of trash.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: We are rappily society.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: We are destroying society. And we have women in the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: comments who somehow think their offense can be substituted with
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: men's own experience and their own consent. So because a
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: woman is offended that men aren't consenting to take these
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: jobs at lower pay, these men don't have the right
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: to make their decisions about their own lives. You can
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: see that in the comments. It's an incredible act of
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: female entitlement. This mound of garbage is a representation of
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: female entitlement.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: It's not an incredible act. It happens all the time.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, I meant this more the ironic use
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: of the worst incredible it is.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: It's a gargantuan act.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Active female entitlement, and we're seeing it over and over
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: again in society. Hey, we should be able to blame
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: women for this kind of behavior, call them out, and
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: we should be able to say, yes, men do offer
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: something unique and that thing will put them in position
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: to earn more in certain situations, and there's no bias.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: There's no bias. If women offer that unique thing, they'll
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: end up in that position, but they don't because on average,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: they don't offer it. So there's no bias here. And
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: there's a complete understanding that there's no bias if we
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: recognize that men just have a unique value. But we
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: can't do that because it's misogyny. You can't recognize that
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: there's something that men do that women don't, because that's misogyny.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Even though we could do the reverse, like if there
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: was a unique value proposition that led to women earning
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: more modeling right.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah or poor?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: For we can't.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: We again, man are to blame men honestly, oh men,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: My last word on it is the gift that they
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: dropped into the chat on discord, the live stream chat.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: But the wage gap is in reality and accountability gap,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: just like the pink tax, which is not a tax,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: is a luxury tax. Yeah, that's it. That's really all
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: you need to know about those two things. It's an
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: accountability gap women and women. Women are less accountable. Men
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: get paid more.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like on average, I know plenty of men who
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: get paid less and there's still more accountable women.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it's basically I think.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: We need to actually start a movement where we appreciate men.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: It really is like Camille Polly has said that if
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: civilization had been left in women's hands, we'd all be
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: still living in Grip's hunts, And I think that's actually
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: true to some degree.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: We'd probably be we'd probably be nurtured and talk a
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: lot and be sociable creatures, but this whole idea of
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: garbage would probably be Yeah, we.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: Would probably still live in grass huts if it was
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: just men, but they would have an incredibly incredibly deep
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: understanding of metaphysics and philosophy and they'd just be wandering
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: around in robes talking you know what I mean?
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, No, what I think is compelling is the I
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: forget what survivor like TV show it was, I think
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: it was British.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where they had the two islands.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 6: One with all men and one with all women, and yeah,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 6: and they the men just immediately got to work, right.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 6: There was some whining right over the pecking order and
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 6: the job of the time to each one of them,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: and that was straightened out right quick.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: And so the one guy who is going to be.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: Like a free rider basically they were, they straightened him out.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: And then the women they just they wanted democracy, They
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 6: wanted to vote on every decision, and they could never
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: actually make a decision, and then they ended up getting
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: lost looking for water, and then it was just like
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 6: this massive disaster.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: So then they moved.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: They decided the producers decided to move one of the
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: men the women's island and one of the women to
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: the men's island. And the man was like, oh, I
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: hope I get picked because I'm going to be with
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: all these women and who lah, right, and and the
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 6: women were like, I don't want to be.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: Picked because I'm going to get raped. And that woman
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: spent the whole rest of the freakin' series coasting. Yeah,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: just sunbathing on the beach.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: Well, the men did all the work, and that man
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: got loaded down. He really regretted his decision. He got
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: loaded down with all the heavy work.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, imagine that with the whole one hundred men
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: in one woman and one hundred women and one man thing,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: and that men are less valuable. Imagine that with That's
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: why we are fifty to fifty guys. It's because you've
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: got to buffer the women.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: But you know the story of King Solomon and his
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: five hundred wives, right and his proverbs in no less
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: than four places, he made the same statement and with
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: maybe a little bit of variation, that it is better
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: to live out in exposed in the weather, on the
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: far corner of the roof of your house than under
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: it with a Quarrelsome woman must have a terrible time
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: with them.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: I just try to reel this back to the topic.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: Have garbage strike, the garbage strike.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go. This is the wages of
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: feminism and and female entitlement.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: Right, this is the last time you left a tip
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: for your trash collector.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: I have never really neither of I yeah, although we
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: I actually I actually wanted to think because there's a
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: guy who's responsible for the maintenance of the town and
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: it's getting done now. There's there was a there was
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: years where nothing was getting done, and he's taken responsibility
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: and he's fixing things, he's cleaning things up, he's getting
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: rid of weeds and doing other stuff. And I wanted
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: to thank him. And Jonathan's my husband, was like, yeah, no,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: it's okay. But eventually he ended up talking to him
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: and mentioning and he and the guy was like, no,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: I don't need any thanks. It's just it's I'm just
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: doing my job. But I said, yes, but you're doing
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: your job. Yeah, you get it. But yeah, it's It
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: is really unfortunate that we are now infested with this
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: idea that men are useless, they offer nothing, and if
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: they get paid more, it's some kind of conspiracy by
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: the patriarchy rather than simple market forces and the fact
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: that men do offer something unique that women don't, which
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: is a tolerance of certain types of jobs, and women
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: don't want to do these jobs. This is the thing women,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: there's no amount of pay that really gets women to
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: do these jobs, which is why they pay more, because
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  Speaker 1: right off the bath, half of workers won't do them,
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  Speaker 1: so that means you have half the pool of workers
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  Speaker 1: to draw from, and a lot of the men won't
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: do them either, so you have to give them higher wages.
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  Speaker 1: But this whole idea, that means that's some kind of
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: bias in society towards men rather than men having a
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: unique value propositions. That's right at the heart of feminist
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: conjecture about today and the past, that somehow the bills
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: that men and women had in the past or a
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: result of patriarchy bias against women, rather than men being
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: more suited to the much much more physical outside jobs
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  Speaker 1: of the past, like they were even worse than trash
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: collecting the jobs in the past.
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  Speaker 6: And so at least when you're collecting trash probably not
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: gonna get run through by a freaking spear or eaten
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: by a freaking saber tooth tiger.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but this all comes from you're right, Haroen,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: we need a movement for appreciating men, because if we
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: did stuff like this wouldn't happen. We'd just feel like
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: it's okay, yeat men have a unique value proposition. They
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: get paid more because of it, because they will take
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: jobs women won't take. And if we didn't reward men
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: for this, we would have to incentivize women somehow. And
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: women won't be incentivized to do these jobs through money.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: So they're going to be.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: Incentivized through a gun to their heads really well.
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  Speaker 5: Or just by the fact that they're going to die
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 5: from diseases if they don't. Yeah, but in a situation
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: at some point where if you can no longer persuade
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 5: men to do the job and the job is you're
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: going to you're gonna have to do it yourself.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, yam, learn that after a divorce. One of the
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: one of the things, one of the values that men
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: bring to the society is they will take these jobs
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: that women will not. And if we don't recognize that,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: women will be forced to take these jobs. And I
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: actually saw a woman once on a commet completely separate
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: from our community, actually recognize that back and actually call
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: out feminists. You are mocking and belittling and you're destroying
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: the incentive structure for men to take these jobs. You
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: do you want to take them? They don't. Now, there's
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: no way doing this now as a result of this action,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: it's just pure malicious entitlement. Yeah.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 6: No, it's like when I look at what they were
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 6: paying bull Cooks in northern Alberta for a while there,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 6: it was like you could actually like it was like
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 6: seventy five dollars an hour or something like that, the right,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 6: and all you do is you do prep cooking.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: Right, you don't have to do like the cooking.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 6: You do the prep and the dish washing, and then
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 6: clean bathrooms, maybe do some chamber mating or whatever, right,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 6: make beds and stuff. And so you're on twelve hour
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 6: shifts for fourteen days on seven days off, they fly
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 6: you in, they fly you back home, and you can
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: make like literally one hundred and thirty thousand dollars or
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 6: more a year, one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. I
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 6: knew a woman who made one hundred and eighty thousand
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 6: dollars a year doing this because of the overtime pay.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 6: Because it's seven days a week for three weeks, right,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 6: so you have overtime pay, and it's more than eight
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 6: hours a day, so you got four hours a day
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 6: of overtime pay as well. Right, and all your room
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 6: and board while you're in camp is supplied by the company, right,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 6: So you don't. So she just lived with her parents
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 6: for her week off every month, right, And it's okay.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 6: So why would anybody be a cook in a freaking pub,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 6: local pub in town?
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 6: Why why would anybody do that? It's because they have
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 6: different priorities, right.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: They don't want to have to fly out for three
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 4: weeks and work those nightmare shifts for like twenty one
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: days in a row. Right.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 6: They want to be able to see their friends, they
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 6: want to be able to spend time with their family,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 6: they want they it's convenient to live in an urban setting.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: It's not convenient to live in camp.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 6: You don't have even if you had time to play
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: video games, you can't play anything online because they didn't
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 6: have internet at the time. So yeah, no, it's not
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 6: the nicest life, but you can make bank. And if
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 6: we decided that we were only going to pay these
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 6: people who do this fifteen dollars an hour, nobody would
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 6: do it.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: That's what you would get paid at that.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 6: Time, working in the local pub, at the cook, that's
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 6: what you would start off at. And it's yeah, no
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 6: you can't, but.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 4: The job, it's still you're it's a cook.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: You're a cook.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 4: Why are you getting paid so much? And you're not
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: even like a chef, you're a prep cook. Why are
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: you getting paid somebody? Yeah, No, it's because of the
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: nature of the freaking job. Yeah, the jobs are different, right,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: and you can't you can't equalize the pay.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 5: It's just like they have to pay more to be
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: a nurse's aid or house tech same job on the
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 5: mental ward than they do to pay you to be
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: a house tech or a nurse's aide on the maternity ward.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: Because on the mental ward you're more likely the pediatrics
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 5: ward or yeah, or the pediatric If you get punched
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 5: on the pediatrics ward, it's less likely to hurt. But yeah,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 5: you're much more likely to get punched in the mental ward.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 5: And this is or bitten or kicked or scratched or
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: dragged to the ground.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: This is a fundamental error. This is a fundamental error
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: in how women think about it. And it is women.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: You were talking about that Survivor Island and the women
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: who wanted it to be democratic. Now we think that's, oh,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: because women have equality. No, it's because they see authority
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: as a resource, whereas men see authority as a means
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: to an end. That's why men create hierarchies, because the
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: authority is a means to a goal, which the goal
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: is the group's survival. Whereas women, they don't want any
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: woman to have any authority over them, so they see
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: it like they have to portion it to every individual women.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: But then nothing gets done, and that's not actually egalitarian.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: It is the mentality of warlords. Warlord wants to have
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: their own territory and is jealously possessive of it and
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: wants every other They all have to have their position,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: and they're all advocating for their position that democracy isn't
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: about the best way to deal with the situation. It's
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: about everybody getting their fair share, which isn't actually it's
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: actually more selfishness than creating a hierarchy of authority and
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: usually based on skills, and then using that hierarchy to
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: develop resources, which is what men do. And it's like
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: the mentality that women are bringing to this is that
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: they are entitled to these resources by virtue of existing,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: and they shouldn't have to earn them by taking the
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: more uncomfortable jobs. And then they work themselves up into
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: a self righteous fever that oh, it's because of some
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: unfairness in the system that these men get these jobs
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: rather than.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: Just taking them themselves.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: There's nothing stopping them, but they don't want the jobs,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: and they don't want to admit that they don't want
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: the jobs because they are harder. So they get They
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: do this self righteous song and dance about how it's
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: biased in the system against them because they want to
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: get the money, and then they screw everyone. That's exactly
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: what happened in the Survivor Island because they do not
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: see the meritocracy. They only see, Hey, I deserve equal
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: amount of authority as every other woman. How is she
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: better than me? Then the met are just like, Oh,
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: this dude understands I don't know. He understands logistics. Better,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: let's put him in charge. This dude understands I'm smashing
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: rocks together to get fire. He can be in charge
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: of fire.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 6: That guy, Candy, this guy's got really good handlike coordination.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 4: Will send him out to do the spearfish.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: And you know what happened. Actually with the freeloader, he
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: eventually showed his worse because he hunted. He was actually
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: really he was making this elaborate net and he finally
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: showed his benefit and then they were like, oh, okay,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: that you were and they let him just do his
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: thing for a while, and then he eventually showed that
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: he had a he had significant benefit. It just took
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: him time to figure to build with his technology the
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: benefit he was going to give the group. And that's
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: something that they did. And the female group, they'd probably
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: be harassing her for not pulling her weight, even though
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: nobody was pulling their weight. But regardless, but this is
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: a fundamental error in how women view the world. This
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: you don't deserve this, ladies. You don't deserve to earn
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: his much as a trash collector. And if you want
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: to earn as much as a trash collector, then become
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: a trash collector the end. And this is the same
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: thing with the vote. You don't deserve the vote unless
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: you're going to be available to come to being drafted
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: or put into possecomicitatis.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: You don't or anything mandatory war work.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: Mandatory war work of some kind like nursing, or are
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: going to do that. I have to find they have
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: to do something something, Okay, you have to give back
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: to the society. That gives you the vote, you have
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: to understand. You have to understand that you need to
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: be available to sacrifice for the society that gives you stuff,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: or you don't understand the sacrifice necessary to keep that
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: society going. That's why this happens, because women got the
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: vote without the expectation of understanding the sacrifice necessary for
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: society to run. And then you get you're just it's
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: just a snowball effect of these category errors more and more,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: and it's just gonna keep going because nobody except us
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: is willing to say, hey, this is a problem with femininity,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: This is a problem with women, and women need to
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: be held accountable, all right, So I'm gonna I think
• 2:07:18
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• 2:09:37
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