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Ep. 236 ~ Unbeleivable Inconsistencies · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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greatly appreciated, just so you know it. All right, So starting off
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this episode, we're gonna call back to the last episode. Um well,
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we were trying to figure out how the Dallas Police or the FBI for that
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name, new to go to ten twenty six North Decley. So soon after
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Oswald's arrest, and in some instances before he was even arrested, he had
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to Texas Theater according to some sources. Um, so the document I was
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looking for, I finally found it and this is the official Okay, this
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is the official Dallas police record of searches and seizures. Okay. According to
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the official police Dallas Police record, ten twenty six North Decley, specifically,
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Oswald's room was searched by officer turning pots more than single on eleven, twenty
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two sixty three, based on search Warrant two nine five issued by Judge Dave
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Johnston, searched at three p m. See attached list of property taken.
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Kay. Now remember reporting to various sources, one including Earlene Roberts and Ac
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Johnson. Police were there at least the cordine Earlian Robberts a half an hour
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forty five minutes after Oswald left his rooming house. So this is before Tippa
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even supposedly got killed. This is before Heavy got arrested at the Texas Theater.
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Oh so this is after Tippic got killed. One am I thinking,
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sorry, um, but this is before he was even arrested at the Texas
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Theater Um. And according to the official story, the police did not know
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about ten twenty six North Beckley until Sheriff Decker's men who had been sent to
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fifteen fifth Street in Irving, that'd be Ruth Payne's residents, and it was
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there that they either well, there was three different versions of the story,
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but apparently there was an address book there and there was a number for Oswald's
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rooming house, and they performed a criss cross search where they figured out the
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address of the phone number. Okay, which brings us to the next official
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searches and seizures. Twenty fifth twenty fifteen fifth Street, Irving, Texas,
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searched at three thirty pm by stove All Rose and a damn chitten. Information
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of owner see attaches list of reperty taken. Now there is no search warrant
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enlisted here. Um, so pretty much, I mean, I'm guessing they
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saying they got consent from Ruth Pine to search, but without a search warrant,
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anything they collected at Ruth Paine's probably wouldn't have been an admissible in court
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um. But again, according to their official story, Bruce Paine's residence wasn't
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searched until three thirty pm, but the Beckley Street roomy house was searched at
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three pm and they had to call. They've Judge Johnston and he had to
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issue a search warrant and they had to pick it up and they had to
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take it there. So you're telling me that given the fact that even if
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they were fast in doing this two thirty pm, ten minutes after them Oswald
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to sit down in Fritz's interview room, they're off and running. They you
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know, search warrant for ten twenty six North Beckaty half an hour before.
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And then this this Ruby house is searched a half an hour before Ruth Paine's
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house has even searched where they had literally found the address. So how does
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that work? I don't know. And again twenty five fifteen Fifth Street,
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Irving, Texas, Miss Paine's residents searched by to Morris stove All and Rose
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when they lift into twenty three sixty three, This time a warrant was issued
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by Judge Joe Baron. I'm junior officer M came with the Irving PD also
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president and then this search happened at twelve thirty pm c list attached. So
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again this stuff doesn't make sense. The timing doesn't make sense. And then
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at the very bottom no date given. It states officers obtained a search warrant
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for ten twenty six North Beckley a second time and no recovery, which means
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they didn't take anything to find anything that was on the search warrant, and
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again no dant given for that interesting in arresting. And remember how all this
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went down. So because we have here thanks to the school book Depository called
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forty PM Homicide and Robbery Bureau officers assisting in search were Captain Fritz, Sims,
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Boyd Johnson turned Sinkhole, some of the same guys who searched the ten
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twenty six North Beckley There, Montgomery and Monahan see a tached list of property
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taken. Chief Lumpkin and other officers completed search of other floors. So after
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it was determined that the whoever that the school book depository had been the source
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of the shots and it would actively being searched, Captain will Fritz went down
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to these cool book compository and was there while it was being served. He
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was there when the shells were found, He was there when the guglans found
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and all that jazz, And then word came in that Officer Tippett had been
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killed in open club. And then the course of his investigation, according to
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the official story, you know, he got with Roy Truley, the building
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administrator, who told him that he was the only one who hadn't been present
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for a roll call after the assassination was Lee Oswald. So they pulled his
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application and figured out the address on there was twenty five fifteen West fifth Street,
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Irving, Texas, which is Ruth Payn's address. Now Fritz wanted to
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go there. He started to assemble a team to go there, but then
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got a call from Sheriff Sheriff Bill Decker. So he went to meet with
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Sheriff Bill Decker and afterwards decided not to go to Irving himself, but send
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Stove, all Roles, Rose and the damn Check in his place. Now,
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what was said at this meeting, and I don't know anyway, this
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leads us back two. Okay, Now Fritz sustain in Dallas, so he
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is there when Oswald is brought in the headquarters there and his little interrogation room.
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At some point that day they had established who had been working on the
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sixth floor as part of the floor lane crew headed by TSBD supervisor Bill Shelley
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Williams Shelly. He was heading up a crew up there of people replacing the
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floor on the sixth floor. This included Karl's Gibbons, Danny r. Say,
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Billy Lovelady, Charl Bonnie Ray Williams, and a couple of others.
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Now, these individuals were arrested if you want to call it, or detained
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or thinking downtown. And we had pictures of this from William Allen from day
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when you see Bill Shelley, Danny r. Say, Bill or Bonnie Ray
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Williams and getting stuffed in the back of a cop card. We have pictures
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of Billy Lovelady at the station as Oswalt's getting walked by him. So we
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know these guys were taken in relatively quickly. Question we have from that day
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who appid David's in any fires? Given by William Shelley. Now, the
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first one we have states this approximately October tenth for twelfth man by the name
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of Lee Oswald, a white male one one came to work where I do
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now. First of all, Oswald's first day at work was October the fourteenth,
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and Oswald was not twenty one years old the time he started. I
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believe he was twenty three when he started, and he had a birthday in
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October there so, which made him twenty four at the time of his death.
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I was put in charge of him by mister Trulli to show him what
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to do. I've been working close with this man since he has been there.
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This man stayed by himself most of the time and would go for a
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wall at noontime. So apparently Oswald wouldn't go for a walk or at least
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leave the building. This was something normal that he did. Lee would bring
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his lunch and usually eat with us in the lounge and read the paper.
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He would usually read about politics. So normally Lee would come in and eat
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his lunch with everybody else, and then go for a walk before or leave
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the building whatever he was doing, and then come back and resume his work
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for the rest of the day. Today, I arrived for work at eight
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am and went about my usual duties. Lee was already filling some orders just
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outside my office. I saw him periodically all morning with the exception when we
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were on the sixth floor. So he's saying he saw him all around the
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building that morning except the sixth floor. Now, mind you, Bill Shelley
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and his crew were laying a floor new flooring on the sixth floor all morning.
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At noon, I started eating my lunch in my office and I went
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outside to see the President. After the President's accident, I started checking around
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and I missed Lee. I asked mister Trulie about him, and he told
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me that he hadn't seen him either. I didn't see Lee until the police
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brought him into the Police Homicide Europe. So he's telling you if Bill Shelley
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is at the East station, when after Oswald's arrest, he was brought in
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to the Police Homicide Bureau. Excuse me, now, His second half of
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David in any fact given on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, says
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thus today, at approximately twelve thirty pm November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,
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I was standing on the front steps at four eleven LM. Watching the
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President in the parade. President's car was about halfway from Houston to the Triple
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Underpass when I heard what sounded like three gunshots. I couldn't tell where they
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were coming from. All right, Now, you're standing on the front steps
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of a building where five floors above him, fifty feet above you, I
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supposed rifle shots are coming out of the building and into daily plasma. You
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have no idea where they were coming from. Okay, okay. He then
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says, I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran
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into a girl crying, and she said the president had been shot. This
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girl's name is Gloria Calvary, who is an employee of the same building than
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now, So after the shots, Kelly knew that they were gunshots, she
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ran across the street. Now, folks, I've been to the book to
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Politory in Dallas. I've been to Elm Street, and I've been on this
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front steps. I've been across the street. Now, how did this lady,
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Gloria Calvary know that the president had been shot? Bill Shelley is seemingly
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clueless as to what happened other than the fact that he heard three gunshots.
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Okay. Next, he says, I went back into the building and went
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inside and called my wife and told her what happened right this Frontor did the
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Warrant commissioned version of Advance, where it states that after the shots, he
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hooked up with Billy Lovelady and went to the rail yard to investigate. He
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doesn't mention that here in his After David in any fact, not at all.
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In fact, this is a shockingly different version of events than how the
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Warren Commission paints what Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady did that day because they had
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to some discredit Vicky Adams testimony. Kay, he said, I went back
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to the building and went inside and called my wife and told her what happened.
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There's no way you can confuse that with I hooked up with Billy Lovelady
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and we walked down to the rail yard to see what happened, and then
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came back around the building and came in the back door. No, no,
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that doesn't make sense. Okay. Then he says, I was on
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the first floor then, and I stayed at the elevator and was told not
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to let anybody out of the elevator. Okay. So now we have Bill
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Shelley stationed by someone at the elevator, the freight elevator, and he was
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told by somebody not to let anybody out of it. He says, I
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left the elevator, so he didn't do what he was told to do.
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He says, I left the elevator and went with the police one up to
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the other floors. Kay. And here's what he says next, which is
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really interesting. I left Jack Thorty in charge of the elevator, okay.
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And that is Bill Shelley's second affidavit in any fact, given on November the
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twenty second, nineteen sixty three. This is immediately after the ship went down.
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This is immediately after he's taken to the police headquarters in the back of
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this wold car. This is immediately after this is fresh in mind. Okay.
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So unless he has something to hide, then he's not lying here,
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Okay. Now, only if he has something to hide, as then if
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he was a part of this whole mess, would he then have a reason
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to lie about what he did with Billy Lovely. But assuming that Bill Shelley
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is an innocent piece of this puzzle, he has no reason to lie at
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this point. So this is what he did. I left Jack Doherty in
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charge of the elevator. Now, according to Fritz's handwritten notice of the Oswald
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interrogation, that he wrote down, you know, a couple of days after
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the actual interrogation, after Oswald had been killed. You know, he writes
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down a whole bunch of things. And in the last episode I says that
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he did not write down anything about ten twenty six doors Beckley at all,
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at all. You know it even says okay, h first interrogation with James
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book Out and James hosting eleven twenty two sixty three, three fifteen. Okay,
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this is what supposedly, you know, Oswald's admitted to doing it.
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Um didn't own a rifle, saw one at building, mister Trulli and two
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others home by something Tangs. Bridges admits going to Russia, admits writing Russian
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embassy, and Tenkosti says lived in Russia for three years. Does write what
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it does? Write over there m something non school and fort Worth two Marines
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says god usual medals claims no political belief belongs to fair play, playing the
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second floor coke when officer came in two first floor, had lunch and then
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out Bill Shelley, the fun left work, opinion, nothing else to be
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done that day, and YadA, YadA, YadA, right Yeah. In
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Bookouts, notes, which if we know that he actually took at three fifteen
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pm at the Oswald interrogation, because it's on the back of one of these
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affidavit at any fact papers you can see the bleed through. So he just
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grabbed whatever he had handy there, which was happening to be affidavit in any
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fact paperwork, which was likely some kind of a carbon copy paper. Um,
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you know we have this. On eleven twenty two to three fifteen pm,
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Lho interviewed by Captain Fritz, bookout and host the captain something. Captain
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Fritz delivered his ranks, et cetera. Apparently he was read as right.
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Lho admitted resided at ten twenty six North Backway. That's the first thing that's
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on the letter. That's the first thing that's on the note. All right.
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So even if they got to say address from Oswald, this interview didn't
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happen until three fifteen pm. They were already officers that had a search warrant
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at ten twenty six North Beckley by three pm. Okay, you're following the
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math, you're photos, you're seeing what I'm laying down? Here? Are
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you picking up what I'm laying down? There's some inconsistencies, some major inconsistencies,
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and what the Dallas Police and the FBI are as searching is going on
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here. So even if they would have immediately stopped interrogation and Prince would have
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got on the horn and said, hey, we need a search warrant right
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now, send a team to ten twenty six North Beckley, it likely wouldn't
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have happened until four or five o'clock, as was mentioned in the last show,
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lots of inconsistencies focos. But in Bookhouse report he faced this, Oswald
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stated he was present for work at the Texas Book Depository on the morning of
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eleven and at noon went to lunch. He went to the second floor to
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get coke to eat with lunth and return to the first floor to eat lunch.
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All right, Now, this would imply that Oswald got a coke from
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the second floor lunch room before he went downstairs to the first floor to run
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and then went outside to watch the presidential parade. Now, according to the
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official version of events, Oswald was somewhere during the shots they don't specify where,
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and then on the second floor in the lnth room he was encountered by
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Officer Baker and Roy Trully. This is after the assassination has taken place,
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where Truly supposedly said, oh, don't worry he works here, don't worry
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about him. Okay, But this says something totally different. It says something
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totally different then Fritz's notices. Now I remember, Fritz's notes were written two
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days after well yeah, two days after the place after Oswald's dead, because
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he knew that he would likely be questioned about all this stuff and he wanted
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to write down things while they were still fresh in his mind. But book
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Out made these notes while the interrogation is taking place, so you can kind
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of can't go back. And in this one there is no mention of the
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second floor lunch room encounter. He says he got to cook before he went
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down to the first floor to eat lunch. Okay. Then he says he
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went outside to watch the presidential prayer. And this, folks, is why
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bart Canon has done a lot of very important work when it comes to the
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interrogations, the second floor lunch room encounter, and the whole idea of prayer
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Man right, Because when you really start looking at the inconsistencies in these reports
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and the likelihood that they had to build a narrative and pen the murder on
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Lee Oswald. That's certain things had to be tweaked a little bit, just
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tweaked a little bit to make it appear that Oswald was on the sixth floor
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at the time of the shots. They just tweaked things a little bit.
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They just moved him around like a chess piece on a chessboard to fit the
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narrative. And sorry, just to correct myself before we move on too much
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further, these are not Bookouts notes that I'm talking about here. This is
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boost The's handwritten notes the interrogation. I apologize um that you can go find
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at prayer Dashman dot com. Thank you and my boy, um. And
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to give you an example of what I mean. So on eleven, twenty
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three sixty three, which is Saturday, day after the assassination, Hoste and
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bookoutmpared a report for the FBI, and it stated this, and this is
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of course based on their notes in their own personal recollections of the interrogation.
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But here we kind of start to see the narrative turn a little bit queak
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a little bit to Lee Harvey Oswald. Ten twenty six North Beckley, Dallas,
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Texas, was interviewed by Captain will Fritz of the Homicide Bureau. Special
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agents Hoste and Bookout were present during this interview. When the agents entered the
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room at three fifteen, Captain Fritz had been previously interviewing Oswald for an undetermined
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period of time. Kay, So apparently since Fritz didn't take any notes,
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we don't know what he had been interrogating Oswald about. Apparently from the time
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Oswald came in there two twenty pm until the FBI arrived at three fifteen,
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so I'm almost an hour Fritz had Oswald and they're all to himself, not
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writing down a goddamn thing. Apparently think he was on to say. Those
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agents identified themselves to Oswald advised him that they were law enforcement officers than anything
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he said to be used against him. Oswald at this time adopted a violent
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attitude toward the FBI, and both agents made many complimentary remarks without the FBI.
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Oswald requested that Fritz removed the cuffs from him. It's being noted that
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Oswald was handcuffed with his hands behind him. Captain Fritz had one of his
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detectives removed the handcuffs and handcuffed Oswald with his hands in front of him.
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Fritz asked Oswald if he ever earned a rifle. Oswald state that he had
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observed a mister Truly, a supervisor at the school book Depository, displayed a
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rifle on November the twentieth some individuals in his office on the first floor,
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but denied ever owning a rifle himself. Oswald stated that he had never been
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in Mexico except Tier one on one occasion. However, he admitted to Captain
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Fritz to having resided in the Soviet Union for three years, where he has
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many friends and relatives of his wife. Right now, why the fuck are
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they asking Oswald about Mexico. Why are they asking him about Mexico immediately after
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he's been arrested. How would they even know this? That Oswald supposedly went
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to Mexico City. Did the FBI know this? It did if they were
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watching him and he actually went. But again, the FBI is not supposed
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to operate outside of the United States. The CIA is the ones who said
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that Oswald had been in Mexico City. Now, according to the phone call
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between Jagre Hoover and Lyndon Johnson, Hoover was pissed because he said that the
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the audio tape and a picture of Oswald weren't Oswald. That they said,
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we're Oswald in Mexico City, and then all of a sudden they mysteriously lose
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the audio that disappears by the wayside. Oh that guy recorded over king times.
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Okay, all right, Well back to the matter of hand. How
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what did they even know about Mexico this soon after Oswald is arrested. How
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is that even possible, it goes on to say. Oswald also admitted that
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he was the secretary for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans,
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Louisiana a few months ago. Oswald stated the fair Play for the Cubic Committee
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has the headquarters in New York City. Oswald admitted to having received an award
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from Marksmanship while a member of the US Marine Corps. He further admitted that
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he was living in ten twenty sixth North Beckley in Dallas, Texas, under
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the name of oh Lee. Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas
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School Book Depository on November twenty second, where he had been employed since October
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fifteenth, nineteen sixty three. Eight. Oswald stated that as a laborer,
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he has access to the entire building, which has offices on the first and
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second floors, orridge on the third and the fourth, as well as the
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fifth and the sixth. Oswald stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon,
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and he claimed that he ate his lunch on the first floor in the
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lunch room. Okay, However, he went to the second floor, where
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the cocola machine was located, and obtained a bottle of Coca cola for his
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lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F.
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Kennedy passed the building. Now that's not what Oswald said. You see how
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they rearrange things there. What Oswald told him was that he stopped on the
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second floor to get a coca and then he went down to the first floor
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and the lunch. Which makes sense. Normally, when you were about to
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have lunch, you've got the ship. You need to actually eat and drink
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for your lund. You wouldn't go past getting a drink to go with your
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lunch and instead go to the first floor, eat your lunch and then go
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get a drink. That makes new sense whatsoever, But that's what they want
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you to believe. But that's not what he said he did. Here's the
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first instance instance of how things are giving queaked folks quaked. And then it
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says Oswell claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy
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passed the building. No, no, no, no, that's not what
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he said. Well, he did say that, but he said he had
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went to the second floor first, then then the first floor to eat his
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lunch, and then he went out with Bill Shelley in front to watch the
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presidential parade. Now, why is this important? Why does prayer man matter?
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If you look at the front entrance of the school Book Depository in nineteen
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sixty three, you will notice that there is a set of steps in front
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leading up to the doorway. There is a metal manister really in the middle
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of the steps. Okay, but once you get up to the top of
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the steps, there is a landing and then there is a set of double
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glass doors kay, which lead into a vestibule which you then go through two
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more glass doors, so you get into the first floor of the school book
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Depository. Now, maybe Oswald didn't go outside, because Bill Shelley doesn't remember
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seeing him out there. Bill Frasier doesn't remember seeing him out there. Billy
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Lovelady doesn't remember seeing him out there. Okay, but what if Oswald went
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into that vestibule turned the glass doors instead of going outside, when you look
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into the prayer man image, and you can go back, and I wouldn't.
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I would urge you. There's jfk Assassination Gallery dot com. Robin Ungersait
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and look up the photos of photographer William Allen. He took many photos throughout
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the Idelia throughout that day, and a lot of them was focused on the
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entrance of the schoolbook depository. And in many photographs you can see people behind
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the glass doors in the vestibule pretty damn clearly. I'm not saying you can
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see their features clearly, but I can. I'm saying that you can see
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visibly that there are people in the vestibule through the glass door, and that
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on old film, you know, a moving picture, you know, as
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it's going around the corner, it could capture the presence of a person in
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that vestibule, but not necessarily the glass. The glass, but it's the
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glass is invisible transparently. You can see right through it, but it would
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distort the image of the person inside the glass. A little bit more than
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the people if they were actually standing outside. So what if that day Oswald
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stopped working, he came down, he got a coke, he went to
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the first floor, he lunch, and then he walked out in the vestibule.
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And at the time of the shots, you know, the president's going
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by, he's watching, and then the president gets shot, right, and
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he's still standing there trying to figure out what happened, and his ghostly image
42:43
is captured behind this glass in the entrance to the schoolbook depository. Now,
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from his position, okay, if this is Oswald, he could very well
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see who's standing on the steps. He could see Bill Shelley, he could
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see Buell Frazier, he could see Billy Lovely, Okay, But he doesn't
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mention anybody but Bill Sheller. Okay. Maybe it's a little too crowded out
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there for Oswald's liking, so he just stays in the vestibule because he can
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see from there anyway, So maybe he does go out front with Bill Shelley.
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Maybe he does go watch the presidential parade. I watched there and go
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by. But this is how they're tweaking it, folks, This is how
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they're tweaking it, and he says after hearing what had happened, he said
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that because of all the confusion, there would be no work performed that afternoon,
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so he decided to go home. Oswald stated he then went home by
43:52
bus and changed his clothes and went to a movie. Oswald admitted to carrying
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a pistol with him to this movie, stating he did this because he felt
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like it, giving no other reason. Oswald further admitted attempting to fight the
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Dallas police officers who arrested him in this movie theater when he received a cut
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at a bowl. Oswald frantically denied shooting Dallas police officer Tippet or shooting President
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John F. Kennedy. This interview was concluded at four or five, when
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Oswald was removed for a line. So next up we have an FBI report,
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also from the November twenty third, concerning another Oswald interrogation, and this
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time it was by a special agent, Manning Clemens says, this Lee Harvey
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Oswald, interviewed in offices of the dp D, was advised that he did
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not have to make any statement, that any statement he made could be used
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against him in quarter and of his right to an attorneating he was requested to
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furnish descriptive biographical data concerning himself. The following was obtained from his responses and
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examination of the contents of his wallet. Excuse me, Oswald declined to explain
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his possession of a photograph of a selective service card in the name of A.
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Alec James Hidell. When an interview had been substantially completed and Oswald was
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asked to his present employment, he stated he thought perhaps interview to obtain descriptive
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information was too prolonged, and then he had declined to be interviewed by any
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other officers previously and did not desire to be interviewed by this agent. He
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remarked, I know your tactics. There is a similar agency in Russia.
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You were using the soft Hut, and of course the procedure in Russia would
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be quite different. Unquote. Oswald was advised questions were intended to obtain his
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complete physical description and background. Upon repetition of this question as to his present
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employment, he furnished the same without further discussion. White male birthday October eighteenth,
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nineteen thirty nine, placed at birth, New Orleans, Louisiana, He
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gave a height as five to nine one forty eight, hair medium brown more
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medium link, needs a haircut, eyes blue gray stars, no tattoos or
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permanent scars. Mother Marguerite Oswald un an address, Arlington, Texas, practical
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nurse. It's not seen for about a year. Father Robert Lee Oswald deceased
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August thirty first, nineteen thirty nine, New Orleans. Wife Marina to Monte
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for children. Brothers John Oswald, not John Pike. John Oswald address unknown,
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last known at fort Worth, Texas, five US some years ago,
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age about thirty. Works with pharmaceuticals, but not graduate pharmacists. Robert Oswald's
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seventy three thirteen Davenport, Fort Worth, Texas, wife Vetim, two small
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children. Works for brick company believed to be called Acme. Dress at the
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time of an interview. Black trousers, brown salt and pepper, long sleeve
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shirt, bear headed, contents of wallets. It's a chard in possession,
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so it's a security Lee Harvey Oswald. Photo of Selective Service System card with
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photo of Oswald, notice of classification and named Alec James Hidell. Art Show's
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classification four Bear's Day, February five, sixty two reverse side shows cards from
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Texas local board. Cards shows erasers and retyping of this information indicated and bears
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Longhand signature of Alec Jhidel, signature of member or clerk of local board indistinct
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maybe good something Local Board one fourteen fort Worth Lee Harvey Oswald, such a
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security number gives his vitals as Otelber eighteenth, nineteen thirty nine. Day to
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birthday ones five eleven one fifty blue lions, brown hair, missus Zohler Burger
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clerker, snapshot of a woman apparently the wife. Snapshot photo of interest daughter.
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White card with Longhand the Embassy USSR sixteen or nine Decatur, Northwest Washington,
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Consular Chodd identification issued Lee h. Oswald, Expiration date December seven sixty
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two, Private first class. Excuse me, damn sorry, I'm still trying
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to get over all these allergies. M. Hardshaw's date of birth Octember eighteenth,
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five eleven one forty five so Dallas Public Library card undated expiration date December
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seven sixty five, issues the Lee Harvey Oswald six or two L's business who
49:43
are business? Jagger's child stove, all followed by the name Jack Bowen.
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I think it goes on and on, supposing contensively Harvey Oswald's wallet thirteen bucks,
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insisting of one five dollar bill in eight one dollar our bills, residence
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room and rooming house ten twenty six norths Beckley for about five weeks from number
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unknown because his previous residences and his previous employers backing up until Jagger's child Stowball
50:27
and next stuff. We have a weird report, an FBI report from James
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book Out Now. It stated on here that the date that this report was
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typed is eleven twenty five sixty three, Okay, right now, Oswald's dead.
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It states that this report was dictated on eleven twenty four fifty three,
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and it's also stated on here support stake on eleven twenty two sixty three.
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Okay, But it's not dictating until the twenty fourth, and it's not running
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typed until eleven twenty five. Lee. Harvey Oswald was interviewed at the Homicide
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Bureau, Dallas Police Department by Captain Fritz and presidents of the Book Out.
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This is a report from Book Out. By the way, Oswald was advised
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of the identity and official capacity of said agent and the fact that he did
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not have to make any statement, that any statement he couldn't make could be
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used in a quarter law against him, and then any statement made must be
51:44
free involuntary, and that he had to write the console with an attorney.
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Oswald stated that he did not own a rifle. He advised that he saw
51:53
a rifle day before yesterday as the Texas school Book Depository, which mister Trulli
51:59
and two other gentleman and having their possession and we're looking at it. Oswald
52:02
stated in the November twenty second at the time of the server with the Schoolbook
52:07
Depository building by a police officer, that he was on the second floor or
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building having the percase cooke in this all the machine, at which time a
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police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked
52:21
there. Mister Trulli was present, verified that he was an employee, and
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the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated
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that he didn't took this cook to the first floor and stood around and had
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lunch and the employee's lunch room. Okay, so they want you to believe,
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Okay, did after the assassination, Oswald apparently oblivious to every fucking thing
52:49
going on, and then people running in and out of the building, police
52:52
officers crawling all over the building, that he doesn't give two flying fucks that
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after purchasing his drink he goes to the first floor to eat his lunch while
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all this chaos is ensuing. This is what they want you to believe.
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This is what I mean by things betting tweaked, inconsistencies, photos, unbelievable,
53:17
incredible inconsistencies. Ah. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five
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or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelling, and thereafter went home. Now we
53:40
know this is a blatant lie, because while Oswald did say that he was
53:45
out front with Bill Shelling, he meant at the time of the assassination,
53:51
not after the assassination, not after he'd gotten his coke on the second floor,
53:58
not after he supposedly went to the first floor and ate his lunch,
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and then not at you know, and then then he supposedly went out front
54:07
with Bill Shelley for five or ten minutes and hung out. This is a
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blatant on James bookouts part. If this was even remotely true, we would
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have Lee Oswald on film, captured on film by some of the many many
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photographers there were in Dally Plaza and around depository after the shots to bring out
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if you can imagine the school book depository being like a giant pile of shit,
54:49
and if you could imagine photographers as being flies that day, they were
54:53
all over the place. They were snapping pictures all over the place. So
55:00
by the time the assassination had occurred, okay, by the time Oswald was
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getting his coke, and by the time he sat down on the first floor
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to eat his life, and by the time he stood around for five or
55:15
ten minutes out front of Bill Shell, the building would have been in the
55:24
lock of dawn. He would have been just like everybody else there, wondering
55:31
what the hell happened. Without digress, he stated that he left for work
55:39
because, in his opinion, based upon the remarks of Bill Shelley, he
55:44
did not believe there was going to be any more work that day due to
55:46
the confusion in the building. He stated. After arriving at his residence,
55:52
he then went to a movie where he subsequently was apprehended by the Dallas Police
55:57
Department. Now we knew all this is wow, hey, because you don't
56:07
just take a gun to a movie theater, okay, and Oswald's movements.
56:12
If it's Oswald at the rooming house, you know he's headed in the wrong
56:20
direction. If he's going to the theater. You don't normally go home,
56:25
change clothes, pack your heat and go to a movie. You know,
56:30
it's just not something you normally do. And he was not heading in the
56:36
direction of the movie theater. All he had to do was go up to
56:40
the end of Zayings and then you know, down Jefferson and he would have
56:49
been at the theater. But no, he tooks this. He takes this
56:52
weird. It's a cutious route through the residential neighborhoods and he's actually going in
56:59
the direction Jack Ruby's a partner, but I digress. Oswald stated that his
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hours of work at the school Depository are from eight am to four or forty
57:10
five pm, but that he is not required to punch a time clode.
57:15
His place of work in the building is on the first floor. However,
57:22
he is frequently required to go to the fourth, fifth, sixth, and
57:25
seventh floors of the building in order to get books. This was true when
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November twenty second, and he had been on all of the floors in the
57:37
performance of his duties when November twenty seco sixty three, Bill remember Bill Shelley
57:44
said he did not see him on the sixth floor that day at all.
57:51
So there's that. Now we move on to eleven twenty three sixty three,
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another FBI report by James Bookout in another instance for him not filing this report
58:12
until eleven twenty five sixty three, dictated on eleven twenty four sixty three,
58:19
and the interrogation allegedly took place on eleven twenty three, sixty three. So
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this is other report I'm about to read you from James book Out again not
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official until the day after Oswald is shot. I'm killed, Lee Harvey.
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Oswald was interviewed by Captain Fritz of the Homicide Robbery Bureau, Dallas Police.
58:45
Oswald was advised with the identity of Special Agent Bookout and his capacity as a
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special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He was informed of his right
58:55
to an attorney in any statement he might make combused against him in the court
59:00
of law, and then any statement which might make must be free involuntary.
59:06
He furnished the following the information in the presence of Thomas Kelly of the US
59:10
Secret Service, David Grant Secret Service, Robert Nash of the US Marshals and
59:16
Detectives, Billy Sinkle, and Say Turner of a thumbicide bureau in Dallas Police
59:23
Department. Okay, so by this time, at least I think during it
59:30
was only during the very first interrogation of Oswald that James Hostie was present.
59:37
And given the supposed relationship and hatred that Oswald had for Hostie allegedly and the
59:51
fact that Hosti was investigating Oswald for his wife, whichever you want to believe,
59:55
before the assassination, they made the decision to yank Kostie from any further
1:00:02
interrogation. That's why you'll notice the last two have been done by themselves out
1:00:09
at least by a Jeans book out of himself. So let us continue.
1:00:16
Following his departure from the school book depository, Oswald said he bordered a city
1:00:22
bus to his residence obtained the transfer upon departure from the bus. Instead,
1:00:27
the officers at the time of arresting him took his transfer out of his POCKEM.
1:00:36
Yeah, you heard me, right, folks, where is the taxicab
1:00:38
ride? We'll get there, I promise. Oswald then advised that he had
1:00:46
only one post office box, which was in Dallas, Texas, which he
1:00:52
had opened under the baked address of thirty six o one North Beckley, which
1:00:59
did not exist. He denied bringing any package to work on the morning of
1:01:05
November twenty six, nineteen sixty three. He stated that he was not in
1:01:09
the process of fixing up his apartment, and he denied telling Wesley Frazier that
1:01:15
the purpose of his visit to Irving for the night November twenty first was tom
1:01:21
Rods some maris paying. Oswald then stated that it was not exactly true as
1:01:30
recently stated by him, that he had rode a bus from his place of
1:01:34
employment to his residence on November twenty, nineteen sixty three. He stated,
1:01:40
actually he did board a bus that he place of employment, but after that,
1:01:44
about a block or two, due to the traffic congestion, he left
1:01:47
the bus and rode in a city cab to his apartment on North Beckley,
1:01:52
he recalled it. At the time of getting into the cab, some lady
1:01:57
looked in and asked the driver to call her a m He stated that he
1:02:01
might have made some remarks to the cab driver merely for the purpose of passing
1:02:06
the time of day. At that time, he recalled his fare was about
1:02:10
eighty five cents. He stated that after arriving at his apartment, he changed
1:02:15
his shirt and trousers because they were dirty. He described his dirty clothes as
1:02:20
being a reddish colored long sleeved shirt with a white or with a button down
1:02:27
collar, and gray colored trousers. He indicated that he had placed these articles
1:02:34
of clothing in the lower drawer of his dresser, so as we was telling
1:02:39
them, he wore a reddish colored long sleeved shirt with a button down collar
1:02:49
and gray trousers tour he says he indicated he had placed these articles of clothing
1:02:54
in the lower drawer of his dressers, which is true. These were recovered
1:03:01
from ten twenty six North Beckley. If you're going on to the photos of
1:03:07
the exhibit, Oswald stated that Missus Paine receives no pay for keeping his wife
1:03:15
and children. He stated that their presence in Missus Paine's residence is a good
1:03:21
arrangement for her because of her language interest, indicating that his wife speaks Russian
1:03:27
and Missus pain is interested in the Russian language. Oswald denied keeping a rifle
1:03:34
in Missus Paine's garage at Irving, Texas, but stated that he did have
1:03:37
certain articles stored in her garage, consisting of two sea bags, a couple
1:03:43
of suitcases, and several boxes of kitchen articles. Then also kept his close
1:03:49
at Missus Paine's residence. He stated that all the articles in Missus Pain's garage
1:03:53
have been brought there about September of sixty three from New Orleans. Oswald's stated
1:04:00
that he has had no visitors at his department on North Beckley. He stated
1:04:03
he has no receipts for purchase of any guns and has never ordered any guns.
1:04:08
That does not own a rifle, nor has he never possessed a rifle.
1:04:14
Oswald denied he's a member of the Communist Party. Oswald stated that he
1:04:19
did purchase a pistol which was taken off of him my police officers one November
1:04:25
twenty six to sixty three, about six months ago. He declined to state
1:04:30
where he had purchased it from, so he does admit to buying a handgun,
1:04:35
but not a rifle. Oswald stated that he arrived in July sixty two
1:04:42
from the USSR and was interviewed by the FBI and fort Worth. He stated
1:04:46
he felt he overstepped their bounds and had used various tactics in the interviewing and
1:04:51
have surveilling him. He further complained that on interview of Rief Pain by the
1:04:57
FBI regarding his wife, he felt if that his wife had been intimidated.
1:05:02
Oswald stated that he desired to contact Attorney Apped, a BT in New York
1:05:09
City, indicating that an App was the attorney who defended the Smith Act case
1:05:13
in nineteen forty nine. He stated he does not know Attorney App personally.
1:05:18
Fritz advised Oswald that arrangements would be made immediately whereby he could call Attorney App.
1:05:27
Oswald stated that prior to coming to Dallas from New Orleans, he had
1:05:30
resided at a furnished department the forty seven or six Magazine Street in New Orleans,
1:05:34
Louisiana. While in New Orleans he had been employed by William b Riley
1:05:40
Company six forty Magazine Street in New Orleans. Oswald stated that he is nothing
1:05:47
against President Kennedy personally, However, in view of the president charges against him,
1:05:53
he did not desire to discuss this phase. Further, Oswald stated that
1:05:58
he would I agreed to take a polygraph without the advice of counsel. He
1:06:03
added that in the past he has refused to take polygraph examination. Interesting,
1:06:09
I wonder where this was. Oswald stated he's a member of the American Civil
1:06:14
Liberties Union and added that Ruth Payne was also a member. With regard to
1:06:19
selected service card and the possession of Oswald bearing a photograph of Oswald and the
1:06:24
name of Alex James Hydell, Oswald admitted that he carried the selected service car,
1:06:30
but declined to state that he worked the signature of Alec J. Hydell
1:06:33
appearing on same. He further declined to state the purpose of carrying same or
1:06:39
any use he has made of same. Oswald stated that an address book in
1:06:45
his possession contains the names of various Russian immigrants residing in Dallas whom he visited
1:06:49
with. Oswald denied shooting Kennedy in November twenty second, and added that he
1:06:56
did not know that Governor John Connolly had been shot as well, and denied
1:07:00
any knowledge concerning this an incident whatsoever. So there you have it, folks,
1:07:11
How they want to tweak things, how they want to frame this narrative,
1:07:15
and they wait until he's dead to do it, or he can't say
1:07:21
any different. They bury these original notes for thirty or forty years. And
1:07:28
it's only by happenstance that we can get on where we can actually start to
1:07:34
learn the truth and piece things together and see how things actually supposedly happened,
1:07:43
where it makes sense, and not this convoluted mess of horseshit where nothing makes
1:07:49
sense. So take that with you, Take that with you home, put
1:07:58
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