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Katie Woolf spoke with Chief Minister Michael Gunner · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf.
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  Speaker 2: Join the conversation with Katie Wolf. You are our eyes
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  Speaker 2: and ears in the Territory mixed one oh four point nine.
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  Speaker 3: Joining me in the studio right now is the Chief Minister,
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  Speaker 3: Michael Gunner.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, gooday Katy now Chief Minister.
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  Speaker 3: The territory's Chief Health Officer has now declared a hotspot
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  Speaker 3: over Greater Melbourne and the Bendigo Local Government areas. The
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  Speaker 3: advice means that anyone traveling to the Northern Territory from
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  Speaker 3: a COVID nineteen hot spot, which currently includes obviously Greater
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne and the Bendigo Local Government areas, must undertake fourteen
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  Speaker 3: days of mandatory supervised quarantine as we know, do we
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  Speaker 3: have any idea how many people this is going to
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  Speaker 3: impact today in terms of flights arriving.
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  Speaker 4: Big decision last night, so we had simpsy around seven
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  Speaker 4: thirty pm to discuss it.
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  Speaker 2: In the advice from the Chief Health Officer.
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  Speaker 4: We have in recent times looked at exposure sites and
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  Speaker 4: other ways of tackling this, but there is concern obviously
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  Speaker 4: about the number of cases and the spreader cases, and
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  Speaker 4: the feeling is.
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  Speaker 2: That we're now to be safe.
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  Speaker 4: We had to capture Greater Melbourne, which we've done. At
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  Speaker 4: that point in time, there were two flights expected to
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  Speaker 4: land after midnight and there was around three hundred and
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  Speaker 4: eighty passengers expected on those flights. Around one hundred people
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  Speaker 4: have landed and gone into quarantine overnight, so we do
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  Speaker 4: know people are now very much aware of were fifteen
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  Speaker 4: months in. So people are very much aware of what
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  Speaker 4: can happen and adjust their plans quite quickly. We've got
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  Speaker 4: a hold of both airlines and they are able to
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  Speaker 4: advise passengers what was occurring. Obviously, passengers can that point
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  Speaker 4: choose to not come, which is what essentially has happened.
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  Speaker 4: So around one hundred people into house springs.
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  Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people though, were questioning why
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  Speaker 3: it took so long to call that hot spoth so
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  Speaker 3: like the number of cases hasn't jumped dramatically from yesterday
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  Speaker 3: morning about nine point thirty to last night seven thirty,
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  Speaker 3: so why was that decision not made sooner?
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of conversation during the day around should
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  Speaker 4: it be all of Greater Melbourne or not? So some
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  Speaker 4: jurisdictions haven't gone all the Greater molbment. Some jurisdictions have
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  Speaker 4: so conversation around what should be the geographic area, and
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  Speaker 4: then obviously decision at seven thirty about supervised quarantine.
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  Speaker 3: Again, though I'll ask there were those fifteen cases by
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  Speaker 3: nine thirty yesterday. Why does the government keep making these
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  Speaker 3: decisions while the plane's in mid air or once they've
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  Speaker 3: taken off, when they're very close to taking off.
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  Speaker 4: The decision was made prior to departure, so we're keeping
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  Speaker 4: an eye on the departure times. Look, I have to
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  Speaker 4: probably put my hand up to be a little bit
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  Speaker 4: at fault here. So I was in our springs yesterday
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  Speaker 4: and I was on a plane for two hours, so
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  Speaker 4: we probably could have met slowly earlier than seven thirty,
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  Speaker 4: but seven thirty was when I got off the plane.
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  Speaker 2: It was able to convene the SEMPSE to have that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: So realistically that's the reason why, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Probably could have been done, would have otherwise been done
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  Speaker 4: somewhere between five and seven, but I was physically in
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  Speaker 4: the air so I could and yesterday deput Chief Minister
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  Speaker 4: was in Bora Lula, so it was a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of coordination conversations amongst the SEMPSEY. But having said that,
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  Speaker 4: that gave time for the chief otherlso to consider the advice.
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  Speaker 4: But look, I'm happy to take some responsibility for that
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  Speaker 4: to our delay at the end there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, it's probably pretty cold
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  Speaker 3: comfort to some of the people who've been impacted by this.
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  Speaker 3: Take a listen to what some of them have told
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  Speaker 3: Sky News a little bit earlier this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I sped away for three and a half weeks,
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  Speaker 4: three year old and three and a half a month
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  Speaker 4: old baby.
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  Speaker 1: They're in the air when the government changed their rules,
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  Speaker 1: and here we are.
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  Speaker 4: She's going to the camp taken away from me with
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  Speaker 4: my kids for another two week's.
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  Speaker 1: Good on your Australian government.
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  Speaker 2: How are you feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Just disappointed to plated, concerned for my family?
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel about the way your whole communication
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  Speaker 2: this has.
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  Speaker 1: Made O It's typically appalling.
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  Speaker 3: Typically appalling is the way that that passenger described it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what's your reaction to that.
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  Speaker 4: Always complete sympathy to anyone who's had their life impacted
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  Speaker 4: by these decisions. There are times we've had to make
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  Speaker 4: it mid air. Mindstanding is decision. The decision was made
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  Speaker 4: prior to departure, and people were informed prior to departure.
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  Speaker 4: We obviously can't control what happens at the Victorian end
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  Speaker 4: with the airlines, but my understanding was that everyone was
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  Speaker 4: told before they got on the plane or while before
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  Speaker 4: the plane took off.
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  Speaker 3: Chief Minister a question from one of our listeners it says,
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  Speaker 3: please ask the Chief Minister what happens to anyone who's
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  Speaker 3: been in Greater Melbourne for the past five days but
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  Speaker 3: flew back before midnight? Do they have to self quarantine
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  Speaker 3: either at home or at Howard Springs.
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  Speaker 4: In a suitable premise. So if your premise is not suitable,
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  Speaker 4: then Howard Springs. But yeah, we're asking people to essentially
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  Speaker 4: test and isolate for forteen What makes.
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  Speaker 3: It different though, I guess then if you look at
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  Speaker 3: the fact that at nine point thirty yesterday in morning
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  Speaker 3: we knew that there were those fifteen cases, we didn't
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  Speaker 3: declare it then, but then you know in the evening
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  Speaker 3: last night we did declare it. I mean, did anybody
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  Speaker 3: arrive yesterday on a flight there? And why those people
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  Speaker 3: able to self quarantine but others are able to quarantine
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  Speaker 3: have to quarantine at Howard Springs.
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  Speaker 4: So this is the situation we're faced over fifteen months,
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  Speaker 4: and we always just draw a line in the sand.
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  Speaker 4: We say, from prior this time, is this some posts
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  Speaker 4: that time? It's that I you're already in the territory,
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  Speaker 4: it's that isolation rule. If you come in after that date,
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  Speaker 4: it's the quarantine. There always has to be a line
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  Speaker 4: line somewhere, and we've had to wrestle that all the
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  Speaker 4: way through. So that's not, unfortunately a new predicament or
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  Speaker 4: a new situation, but there comes points on me.
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  Speaker 2: You destroy a.
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  Speaker 1: Line, Chief Minister.
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  Speaker 3: The opposition yesterday questioned why aren't these interstate passengers being
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  Speaker 3: immediately transferred to Howard Springs?
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  Speaker 1: So this was yesterday throughout the day.
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  Speaker 3: Is it because NT Health has failed to recruit the
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  Speaker 3: staff needed to manage the expanded quarantine facility?
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  Speaker 1: Is that the case? No?
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  Speaker 4: No, So obviously we stood at the supervised quarantine last
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  Speaker 4: night after our decision. We took one hundred people over
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  Speaker 4: overnight into the supervised quarantine arrangements. There's around nine hundred
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  Speaker 4: already out there. We can scale up if we need to,
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  Speaker 4: to another thousand around the domestic side. But as you
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  Speaker 4: saw with the one hundred, so there was three hundred
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  Speaker 4: and eighty expected to come. We've got one hundred people
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  Speaker 4: change their plans. We find now there's a much much
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  Speaker 4: less pressure from a domestic decision than there used to be.
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  Speaker 4: People just adjust there their plans.
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  Speaker 1: How many staff have now been recruited out there at
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  Speaker 1: how It springs?
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  Speaker 4: I have to double check the latest number, mister for
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  Speaker 4: Health would have it, but I know we've never actually
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  Speaker 4: had more staff on site.
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  Speaker 2: I do know that, so I'd have to get you
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  Speaker 2: the exact number.
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  Speaker 3: Now, can I ask you what's the decision to cancel
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  Speaker 3: the footy? Is that one that's made by the government
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  Speaker 3: or by the AFL.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's clarify that, so it's extremely likely to be canceled,
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  Speaker 4: has actually been formally canceled yet, that will be a
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  Speaker 4: decision today. The AFL has the ability to put together
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  Speaker 4: a plan for us to be able to consider it
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  Speaker 4: the chow to consider in the timeframe involved. It's extremely
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  Speaker 4: like unlikely that plan would be approved, but it's not
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  Speaker 4: formally canceled yet. That's a decision that will happen today.
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  Speaker 3: But as I understand that those clubs of one of
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  Speaker 3: the clubs has made well, they're not actually able to
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  Speaker 3: get here at the moment, are they?
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  Speaker 4: So any plan the AFL will put together for the
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  Speaker 4: CHOE to consider. Obviously, safety of territorians comes first, and
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  Speaker 4: the AFL would have to demonstrate how they were aboule
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  Speaker 4: to get here, play the game and leave.
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  Speaker 2: They're interacting with territories.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying it could still happen, so.
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  Speaker 4: Extremely unlikely, extremely unlikely, but it's not automatic veto. So
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  Speaker 4: we had AFL here obviously last year and they had
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  Speaker 4: a bubble situation set up which the chow signed off on,
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  Speaker 4: but there's a lot more time evolved prior.
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  Speaker 2: To that decision.
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  Speaker 4: Considering the amount of time evolved between now and the game,
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  Speaker 4: it's unlikely, extremely unlikely to occur. But in good faith
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  Speaker 4: negotiations AFL can they if they choose lodger plan, which
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  Speaker 4: the Chief Health Officer that can then consider that.
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  Speaker 2: Having said that, the Chief Health Officer might not sign
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  Speaker 2: off on it.
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  Speaker 4: So ex extremely unlikely that would happen, but in good
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  Speaker 4: faith we're still having conversations with the AFL today about
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  Speaker 4: whether the game is or isn't possible. It would start,
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  Speaker 4: obviously the AFLF to secure a charter flight, so it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Would you feel comfortable with that as the leader of
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  Speaker 3: the territory. Would you feel comfortable with that going ahead
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  Speaker 3: and a large group of people, you know, being here
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  Speaker 3: at TiO Stadium being able to watch the footy if
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  Speaker 3: you know, given what's going on in Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: Would depend on what plan they put forward. And obviously
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  Speaker 4: the safety of territorianes comes first, and we're shown we'll
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  Speaker 4: do whatever it takes to keep territories safe. So the
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  Speaker 4: AFL have to put together a pretty rocks on the
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  Speaker 4: plan that the Chow Peter sign off on. Now that
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  Speaker 4: that is unlikely in the time that we've got available,
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, it's likely to be canceled today,
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  Speaker 4: that that is the most likely outcome. But it's not
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  Speaker 4: an automatic veto with what fifteen months actually probably longer.
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  Speaker 4: Sixteen months into COVID, we've got six to two months
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  Speaker 4: to go. We've got you've got to have a degree
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  Speaker 4: of practicality about how you handle these things.
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  Speaker 2: But the main filter always is the safety of territorians.
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  Speaker 4: If that cannot be satisfied to the highest of standards,
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  Speaker 4: then obviously it gets canceled. All I'm saying is in
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  Speaker 4: good faith we're talking to the RFL today and then
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  Speaker 4: obviously in my opinion. By demonstrating that good faith for
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  Speaker 4: the AFL today, that puts US in a better position
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  Speaker 4: to negotiate an outcome too. If the game is canceled
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  Speaker 4: about what we get next? Now, no one should get
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  Speaker 4: too excited.
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  Speaker 2: Time game.
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  Speaker 4: I can't like, I don't want to put that. I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to people expect about delivers something similar this time.
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  Speaker 4: But by acting in good faith for the AFL under
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  Speaker 4: our contract, it puts US in a batter position the
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  Speaker 4: next time around. But safety of territorians always first.
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  Speaker 1: The reality probably is that it's going to have.
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  Speaker 2: Likely cancer.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's move along, because the situation with the NT
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  Speaker 3: Treaty Commissioner continues following allegations that he'd verbally abused women.
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  Speaker 3: Now it seems the Treaty Commissioner is going to remain
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  Speaker 3: in his two hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year
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  Speaker 3: taxpayer funded job well for at least two more weeks
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  Speaker 3: after taking sick leave.
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  Speaker 4: Why there are employment conditions that people can access which
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  Speaker 4: the Treaty Commissioner is doing. I think a couple important
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  Speaker 4: things that need be said, sair O Kakatie. I believe
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  Speaker 4: the women who have come forward have the right to
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  Speaker 4: be believed and have their case heard, and obviously the
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  Speaker 4: Treaty Commissioner can defend himself. That's a protection he's allowed
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  Speaker 4: to And we're currently essentially in an employment law situation
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  Speaker 4: and working our way through that. But we've obviously made
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  Speaker 4: it clear to the Treaty Commissioner our priority is successfully
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  Speaker 4: delivering the treaty.
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  Speaker 2: That's the role he's got.
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  Speaker 4: We've lost confidence and the ability for that to happen
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  Speaker 4: now and we're now currently working our way through an
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  Speaker 4: employment law situation.
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  Speaker 2: There are things in place that we are obliged to do.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you wrote to him on Friday though, outlining
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  Speaker 3: the fact that you've lost confidence in him. How can
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  Speaker 3: he continue in that role and how can he continue
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  Speaker 3: with the job that the Northern Territory Government has obviously
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  Speaker 3: set out for him to do if you don't have
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  Speaker 3: the confidence in him as the Chief Minister.
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  Speaker 4: We've made our position clear and by going on sick leave,
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  Speaker 4: he's not actually doing that role now. He's taken his
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  Speaker 4: sick leave and so essentially there are employment conditions that
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  Speaker 4: he's taking advantage.
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  Speaker 1: Getting paid obviously at the taxpayer's expense as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, under under that employment law. So we've obviously made
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  Speaker 4: our position clear. We're now working it through as you
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  Speaker 4: need to do with the law that's there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the allegations here are very serious. Is this
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  Speaker 3: an insult to the victims that he's now taking two
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  Speaker 3: weeks sick leave while still getting paid?
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  Speaker 4: I think the Treaty Commissioner has taken advantage of the
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  Speaker 4: conditions that are there for people. And obviously you draft
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  Speaker 4: an employment situation for all your stuff and he's taking.
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  Speaker 2: Advantage of that.
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  Speaker 1: How are you feeling about that?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I think this one's a pretty straightforward situation at the
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  Speaker 4: moment we've expressed our lack of confidence and be able
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  Speaker 4: to conclude the treaty process. There's clear allegations that are
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  Speaker 4: there that need to be believed and heard. And while
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  Speaker 4: he's got right to defend himself, doing it from the
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  Speaker 4: treaty commissioner position, I think, as we've made clear, makes
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  Speaker 4: it very difficult to continue to deliver treaty. So I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a straightforard process here. We need to work
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  Speaker 4: our way through. Having said that, the cheapness to is
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  Speaker 4: governed by the laws, everyone else is, and I have
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  Speaker 4: to oblige the law as well, is.
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  Speaker 3: The government though, going to the mover emotion to have
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  Speaker 3: him sacked if he doesn't resign.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that two week period is taking at the moment
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  Speaker 4: is prior to any sitting of parliament, So at this
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  Speaker 4: stage that doesn't appear to be necessary.
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  Speaker 3: But if it's a situation where he doesn't resign himself
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  Speaker 3: come August when parliament sits again, will emotion be moved.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've made up is very clear.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be extremely unhappy for someday I've got to August
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  Speaker 4: and would have to consider that hat like that's that's
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  Speaker 4: a few months away. I think the situation should be
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  Speaker 4: resolved prior to that, and we've made our position clear.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's not, well, you do what you have
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  Speaker 2: to do, right And but yeah, that'd be fair shake seriously,
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  Speaker 2: Rist Well, I know.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess the reality here is though that he
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  Speaker 3: could still be paid all the way to August if
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't resign himself.
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  Speaker 4: I would have to be careful commenting there about exactly
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  Speaker 4: all the employment conditions he has and whether that that
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  Speaker 4: is actually possible or not. But in that scenario then
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  Speaker 4: I think the government's made his position very clear, as
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  Speaker 4: I think we need two thirds of the four. So
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  Speaker 4: I think I think of this week with one of
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  Speaker 4: those read bipars in moments, I think that he will
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  Speaker 4: be made their position clear too, I believe yep.
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  Speaker 1: So realistically you don't think it's appropriate that he remains
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  Speaker 1: in this role.
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  Speaker 2: Oh when we communicated that to him, both formally and informally.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Now today the IKAK Commissioner is seeking legal advice after
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  Speaker 3: wrongly outing two people after failing to check his junk mail. Now,
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  Speaker 3: two people were named in a report which was released
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday about a petcure went matter at the City
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  Speaker 3: of Darwin. The IKAC Commissioner Ken Fleming, QC yesterday issued
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  Speaker 3: a statement apologizing unconditionally to the two people who were
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  Speaker 3: named who were denied natural justice.
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  Speaker 1: Do you still have confidence in the KAC Commissioner?
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  Speaker 4: Any i CAC investigation is very serious, simply by the
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  Speaker 4: name attached to it, and so I feel very much
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  Speaker 4: for the people involved in this as I'm sure you know.
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  Speaker 4: The KAC commission has made it clear probably does two
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  Speaker 4: and you have genuinely have a right natural justice. That's
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  Speaker 4: that's very very important thing. The i CAAC Commissioner has
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  Speaker 4: acknowledged the area here has apologized and seeking further legal advice.
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  Speaker 4: I feel sorry for the people caught up in this,
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  Speaker 4: and the KAC commissioner has another month or so to serve.
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  Speaker 4: I will give him the credit that he's genuinely acknowledged
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  Speaker 4: the error and seeking.
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  Speaker 2: To address that. But obviously it's a serious error.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is a pretty big mistake, and it's
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  Speaker 3: not the first time that the KAT commissioner has been
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  Speaker 3: forced to apologize for his actions. A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: were very concerned that the IKAK commissioner was front and
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  Speaker 3: center at a rally in Alice Springs telling the crowd
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  Speaker 3: that black lives matter and anyone who says contrary to
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  Speaker 3: that is guilty of corrupt behavior. Do these incidents highlight
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  Speaker 3: greater concerns for you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the ICAC is governed by, or oversighted by an
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  Speaker 4: independent investigator. The independent investigator stepped in in that particularly
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  Speaker 4: instant you're quoting and tapped him on the shoulder and
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  Speaker 4: said that was inappropriate, and then he accused himself from
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  Speaker 4: anything to do with that case. So importantly for the
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  Speaker 4: IKA commissioner, and this is something that maybe should be considered.
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  Speaker 4: We are considering for other statuary officers, there is actually
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  Speaker 4: an independent oversight person who can step in and.
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  Speaker 2: Do that work.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously that happened with in regards to the comments,
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  Speaker 4: the BLM comments, and obviously that independent investigator also has
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  Speaker 4: the capacity oversight what's happened here in terms of how
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  Speaker 4: the natural justice incident has been handled. So I think
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  Speaker 4: that is actually a very good mechanism and has worked
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  Speaker 4: in this instant incident. It has worked.
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  Speaker 3: Has does this latest incident cloud previous or future reporting.
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  Speaker 4: I believe that we would know if errors have been made.
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  Speaker 4: Has been had to very publicly, right, so I think
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  Speaker 4: we would know if that had been the case. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: I believe that the former speaker, she can speak for herself,
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  Speaker 4: had concerns about natural justice as well and went through
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  Speaker 4: a process. But she can speak to that she knows
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: the details that much better than I do. I believe
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: that's true though. But having said that, the IKAK is
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: an investigator and they provide a report, they're not the courts,
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: and that's a separate process. So it's similar to the
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: police doing investigation. The KAC does in investigation. So the
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: IKAK report is never the full stop. That rarely the
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: full stop. It it's the investigation Chief Minister.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Just finally this morning another reporter of a very serious
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: incident in Karama overnight. We're still yet to have all
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: the details at this point in time, but Karama has
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: been a hot spot for crime. I mean in recent months,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: there's been a lot of concerns come out of that
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: area when it comes to youth behavior and also people
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  Speaker 3: drinking publicly and behaving badly. What are you doing in
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: this space to try and minimize what is currently going
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: on in Karama.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: I spoke to the Police Commissioner this morning and the
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Police Minister. At this stage, it's still very early into
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: the investigation and it's a serious incident and there's not
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: too much more I can say about what's happened on
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: site and how much is at Croma relevant as opposed
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: to occurring there. We obviously take crime very very seriously.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: There's been issues in and around Krima, as you mentioned
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: publicly reporter for a while, and there's been additional work
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: done through Karma in terms of foot patrols and patrols
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: and other activities. I'm waiting further device on Police commision
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: about this incident. It's very early days, unfortunately, I've got
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: much more information than that. Apart from it factor is serious.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Chief better to Michael Gunner. We better leave it there.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Always appreciate your time. Thanks very much for coming in
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: with us this morning.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you