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5/20/26: Bibi Begs Trump For Iran War, JD Savaged Over Slush Fund, Massie Defeated, AIPAC Blown Out In PA · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: what do we got for people today?
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Speaker 4: Boy?
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Speaker 5: We got a lot.
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Speaker 6: I'm excited to get your reaction to some of these
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Speaker 6: Trump comments on Aran from yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Ryan he was speaking.
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Speaker 6: He actually took reporters over to the site of the
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Speaker 6: ballroom construction and answer questions about Iran.
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Speaker 5: We have some.
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Speaker 6: Updates from the Middle East that we absolutely want to
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Speaker 6: get into. Brian, tell us about the B block because
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Speaker 6: this is your This is particularly I feel like this
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Speaker 6: one's really burning you up right now.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the president reached a quote unquote settlement with himself,
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Speaker 3: and by the terms of the settlement, one point seven
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Speaker 3: seven six billion dollars see what he did there is
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Speaker 3: going to be set aside of taxpayer money into an
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Speaker 3: unaccountable slush fund that he can dole out to himself,
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Speaker 3: his family, and to anybody involved with January sixth STARRT sorry,
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Speaker 3: not anybody involved, not the police officers, not anybody on
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Speaker 3: the receiving end of the attacks, but the people who
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Speaker 3: were attacking the capital on January sixth or would be
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Speaker 3: eligible to get a bunch of compensation from this from
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Speaker 3: this slush fund, which also comes with provisions that the
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Speaker 3: IRS is never allowed to audit Trump or anybody in
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Speaker 3: his family or any of their businesses. Pretty impressive art
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Speaker 3: of the deal, I guess, you know. Impressive negotiation he
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Speaker 3: did with himself.
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Speaker 7: There.
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Speaker 3: We'll also talk about Thomas Massey, who the lead Republican
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Speaker 3: going to be joined by Rob Flaherty, who was a
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Speaker 3: top campaign official with the twenty twenty Joe Biden campaign,
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Speaker 3: then the twenty twenty four Joe Biden campaign until that
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Speaker 3: collapsed into the twenty twenty four Kamala Harris campaign. He
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Speaker 3: wrote a viral essay recently for the Bulwarks talking about
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Speaker 3: what he told the DNC autopsy folks. So he said, look,
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Speaker 3: if the people that are putting together this autops so
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Speaker 3: you what I told them. Here here, here is my take.
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Speaker 3: You may be here for some of that. I hope
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Speaker 3: on the She's with them not us. I'm curious for
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Speaker 3: your for your take on kind of his analysis of
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Speaker 3: Democrats can learn from it. Then we get we're going
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Speaker 3: to talk about some interesting Ashley Sinclair accusations against Elon
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Speaker 3: Musk and some uh and at least his claims of
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Speaker 3: the vote rigging. And then at the end of the
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Speaker 3: program will be joined by May Vong who's taking on
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Speaker 3: who's a Justice Democrats backed Democrat who's taking on Doris
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Speaker 3: matt Sewey in California as kind of the left trial
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Speaker 3: tries to expand its gains, you know, heading into heading
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Speaker 3: into this general election.
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Speaker 7: So let's but let's.
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Speaker 3: Start with with President Donald Trump. So, according to Amit
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Speaker 3: Siegel of Channel twelve News in Israel, Trump and Israel
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Speaker 3: over the last several hours apparently had a quote what
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Speaker 3: lengthy and dramatic call.
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Speaker 7: We can put up a zero and so again, so this.
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Speaker 3: Is coming from Ahmid Siegel, Trump and Netna, who held
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Speaker 3: a phone conversation last night that was described as quote
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Speaker 3: lengthy and dramatic unquote. Recently, Siegel goes on, has become
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Speaker 3: clear that Netnyah who believes less in the chances of
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Speaker 3: reaching an agreement that is shocking to me, and he
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Speaker 3: wants to strike Wowa, who really breaking with his past
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Speaker 3: demands here.
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Speaker 5: Defying all expectations.
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Speaker 3: While Trump wants to turn over every stone to reach
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Speaker 3: an agreement. Oh, I'm sure he absolutely does. Okay, So
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Speaker 3: Ahmiit Siegel for those following this this program closely, know
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Speaker 3: that he's he's very close to Net Yahoo, almost kind
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Speaker 3: of a spokesperson of sorts, though he's he's a Israeli journalists.
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Speaker 7: And so that is the kind of Net and Yahoo version.
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Speaker 3: Of this call. We can put up a one before
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Speaker 3: I think we get into this. Trump recently had said
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Speaker 3: on Monday, he had said that he was going to
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Speaker 3: attack Ran on Tuesday. But then I think he quickly
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Speaker 3: realized that if he didn't back off of that quickly,
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Speaker 3: he would have to back off of it on Tuesday,
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Speaker 3: and that would mean another Taco Tuesday, which is embarrassing,
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Speaker 3: more embarrassing than a Taco Monday.
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Speaker 7: And put up a one here.
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Speaker 3: So he has responded by saying that they have actually okay,
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Speaker 3: now they have two or three days we enroll this here.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean I'm saying two or three days, maybe Friday, Saturday,
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Speaker 8: Sunday something, maybe early next week, a limited period of time,
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Speaker 8: because we can't let them have a.
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Speaker 9: New nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 8: If they had a nuclear weapons, they would start with Israel.
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Speaker 8: They would blow it up, and they would blow it
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Speaker 8: up fast, but they'd blow it up.
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Speaker 9: And I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 8: They go after Saudi Arabia, they go after Kuwait, they
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Speaker 8: go after UAE, they go after Qatar, they go after
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Speaker 8: I think they go after the entire At least it
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Speaker 8: would be a whole different negotiation. It would not be
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Speaker 8: it would be it would be nuclear holocaust.
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Speaker 9: And there's no question in my mind that they use it.
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Speaker 9: There's no question. And I deal with these people. They're
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Speaker 9: extremely radicalized. These are not people like.
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Speaker 7: What I deal with you, all right, Emily.
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Speaker 3: So he's giving them a deadline of Friday, Saturday or
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Speaker 3: Sunday or maybe early next week. What do you make
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Speaker 3: of this lengthy and dramatic phone call between him and
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Speaker 3: net Yahoo. The reporting suggests that there's some type of
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Speaker 3: decision that was nearly made. Are we headed back to
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Speaker 3: a hot conflict here?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think so. I think that's something that we've
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Speaker 6: been watching very closely. And I've also lost track of
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Speaker 6: how many times the president has a deadline that gets shifted,
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Speaker 6: and it's happened in this conflict, that's happened in obviously
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Speaker 6: the tear of conversation, right, correct, me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 6: But it happened in the Gaza quote peace negotiations as well.
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Speaker 6: It was always so similar, we would see the same
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Speaker 6: kind of pattern unfolding. And in this situation though, I
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Speaker 6: actually think part of what Trump is doing is he
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Speaker 6: knows that it's bad for him to go back into
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Speaker 6: a hot conflict. He knows that it's bad politics, and
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Speaker 6: he is procrastinating.
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Speaker 5: He's trying.
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Speaker 6: Maybe he doesn't think of it as procrastinating, but he
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Speaker 6: is trying to do absolutely everything that he can within
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Speaker 6: the sort of parameters set for a man who is
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Speaker 6: a staunch ally of Natanyahu to just he sees the delay.
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Speaker 6: Let me put it this way, he sees the delay
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Speaker 6: as being better than going into action, and he's maybe
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Speaker 6: just helping something pops. But there's really nothing because of
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Speaker 6: the pass over, the straight and Fom moves and his
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Speaker 6: nuclear enrichment, there's really nothing that he can do. So
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Speaker 6: he's just frozen in time right now, and it just
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Speaker 6: feels like inevitable because nobody's budging, nobody has any reason
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Speaker 6: to budge.
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Speaker 3: Basically, we do seem to be stuck in this really
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Speaker 3: kind of brutal it's not even an escalation trap at
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Speaker 3: this point. It's just kind of a trap, yeah, because
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Speaker 3: Trump Trump knows at this point that if he attacks again,
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Speaker 3: Iran is going to, you know, rather mercilessly launch a
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Speaker 3: regional assault, as they have said that they would on
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Speaker 3: everybody that he just named in that clip, Saudi Ravia, Kuwait, the.
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Speaker 7: UAE, Bahrain.
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Speaker 3: They've also alluded to cutting the undersea cables, which would
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Speaker 3: you know, disrupt internet traffic, you know, throughout the entire region.
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Speaker 3: And so he knows if he does that, even for
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Speaker 3: just a you know, this limited strike that he keeps
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Speaker 3: being urged to do, which is what apparently we were
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Speaker 3: going to do what sixty seventy days ago when the
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Speaker 3: war started, just a limited strike, and at the time
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Speaker 3: Iron said, no, if you do that, we're going to
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Speaker 3: turn this into a regional war.
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Speaker 7: They did.
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Speaker 3: So he kind of knows that if he does that,
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Speaker 3: then he's trapped in this conflict that he can't win.
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Speaker 3: Because we've already shown that with our full capacity of
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Speaker 3: AMMO and our and multiple aircraft carrier fleets and our
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Speaker 3: base is not yet destroyed, we were not able to
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Speaker 3: kind of abuse them into submission. So the idea that
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Speaker 3: we'd be able to do it when we're now in
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Speaker 3: a weaker position is silly. So he knows he can't.
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Speaker 3: He knows it's just that would lead to more conflict.
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Speaker 3: But if he withdraws at this point, then everything was
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Speaker 3: for not everything was for nothing. Everything was useless because
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Speaker 3: he has no agreement. They controlled the strait of horror moves.
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Speaker 3: The only thing that he could do, it seems to me,
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Speaker 3: is reach agreement. And the Iranians have said, we're willing
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Speaker 3: to give you a deal. It's better than the JCPOA
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Speaker 3: because they understand his psychology. He needs something better than
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Speaker 3: Obama got Otherwise. You know how thoroughly embarrassing is that
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Speaker 3: entire thing.
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Speaker 7: I don't. I don't. I don't see how I don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Trump has the kind of emotional
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Speaker 3: capacity to work his way through this, but to put
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Speaker 3: some kind of meat on the bones of what's going
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Speaker 3: on back and forth.
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Speaker 7: Here we can put up a four here.
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Speaker 3: This is from Onwatch media, Muhammad Ali Ali Shabani. So
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Speaker 3: this is a very good kind of throw rundown of
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Speaker 3: what has actually happened back and forth. So the Trump
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Speaker 3: team sent the Iranians an eleven point proposal Iran added
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Speaker 3: three points and sent it back. The fourteen points include
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Speaker 3: US military withdrawal from Ranza media vicinity, end of the
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Speaker 3: naval blockade, lifting of oil sale restrictions within thirty days
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Speaker 3: of initial agreement, and a governing arrangement for Hormuds, which
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Speaker 3: would mean that Iran would roughly stay in control of it.
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Speaker 3: Iran offered them to downblend some of its stockpile of
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Speaker 3: the enriched uranium sends some of it out of the country,
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Speaker 3: but with a guarantee that if the US renigs on
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Speaker 3: the deal, it would then come immediately back. Trump wants
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Speaker 3: a twenty year suspension of enrichment. They have agreed to
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Speaker 3: something less than that, but a significant kind of pause.
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Speaker 3: So Iran has agreed to a significant years long pause
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Speaker 3: of enrichment. But Iran is saying that they'll only discuss it,
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Speaker 3: you know, once this deal has been reached, because they
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Speaker 3: don't trust Trump.
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Speaker 6: Go ahead, Emily, well, as you said, but this is
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Speaker 6: exactly where we found ourselves well for the last several weeks,
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Speaker 6: because when Trump seemed like he was on the cusp
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Speaker 6: of a real potential deal, it was absolutely slammed by
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Speaker 6: Lindsay Graham and the Lindsay Graham world. People in that
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Speaker 6: camp who were furious about the potential is absolutely unacceptable
11:59
Speaker 6: to provide sanctions relief. And this is exactly why I
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Speaker 6: think ran we're seeing right now Trump just my sense
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Speaker 6: is that's he's hoping something changes while he waits it out,
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Speaker 6: maybe that the government falls. That's this is the only
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Speaker 6: explanation that I can imagine in his mind or in
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Speaker 6: the situation room. Not that it's easy to get into
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Speaker 6: his mind, but it's that.
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Speaker 5: They believe it's possible.
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Speaker 6: Maybe there's some intelligence whatever that the government is fragile
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Speaker 6: and there could be a real threat to the regime
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Speaker 6: coming up, or just that something changes, that there's some
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Speaker 6: event that changes the negotiation. Because Trump knows how disastrous
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Speaker 6: the politics of going back in are. He's obsessed with Poles,
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Speaker 6: He's looking at the polls, and he knows that a
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Speaker 6: hot conflict already has been bad and it would be
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Speaker 6: worse if it escalated.
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Speaker 5: But he has no choice.
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Speaker 6: It's either faced the scorn of Lindsey Graham, Netagna, who.
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Speaker 5: All of these people, who's who you decided.
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Speaker 6: To listen to to get into this war in the
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Speaker 6: first place, and have surrounded yourself with Mark Levin was
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Speaker 6: another person who's freaking out about that deal when it
13:08
Speaker 6: was on the table.
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Speaker 5: And so you can choose to confront them, upset.
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Speaker 6: Them, infuriate them, and rage them, or you can wait
13:17
Speaker 6: it out, or you can go back into hot conflict. That, also,
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Speaker 6: by the way, is not I mean from our perspectives,
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Speaker 6: this is obvious, but it's not a good option even
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Speaker 6: from his perspective, because there's no end in sight with that.
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Speaker 6: There's no guaranteed end in sight with that either. So
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Speaker 6: it's a complete it's because it's a complete disaster. It's
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Speaker 6: a complete trap that he finds himself in.
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Speaker 3: And what he'd much rather be doing, quite clearly, is
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Speaker 3: working on, you know, the drapes for the ballroom. Even
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Speaker 3: as he's discussing this war, you see the construction site
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Speaker 3: in the background. And the main thing he seemed to
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Speaker 3: want to talk to the reporters about was that, let's
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Speaker 3: roll a two.
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Speaker 7: This is the president of the United States.
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Speaker 9: So here's a couple of you gonna look at it.
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Speaker 3: How are you all right?
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Speaker 9: There will never be another thing like this. I don't
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Speaker 9: believe Bilm from a course standpoint. This is all my
14:14
Speaker 9: money and donors money. This is tax three. So every
14:17
Speaker 9: we're talking about they're gonna give money, they're gonna give money.
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Speaker 9: The money they're gonna give.
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Speaker 8: Is really for the security of that and the whole
14:24
Speaker 8: White House premises, and I guess you probably need that nowadays.
14:29
Speaker 9: We've done the fencing on the outside of the White
14:31
Speaker 9: that's it's all titanium. You see the black fencing that's
14:35
Speaker 9: been just.
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Speaker 8: Done recently, and it was approved originally by me and
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Speaker 8: it's been completed, and it's very powerful, very powerful. A tractor,
14:44
Speaker 8: a bulldozer cannot knock it over.
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Speaker 9: It goes down deep.
14:47
Speaker 8: And it's titanium, which is the strongest of all of
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Speaker 8: the metals, much stronger than steel.
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Speaker 9: As an example, the ballroom is all it's gonna be
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Speaker 9: a tremendous, tremendous thing.
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Speaker 8: As an example, what happened a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 8: at the White House Cars Fund and Center could not
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Speaker 8: happen here. We're way ahead of schedule here, but we
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Speaker 8: went down six stories heard it's actually.
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Speaker 9: Far more complex and what the easy part is up.
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Speaker 9: But again we have a.
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Speaker 10: Drones, roof roofs, we have all it's all sealed and
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Speaker 10: all of this that you see.
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Speaker 9: Is totally sealed, and we use it as a drone board.
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Speaker 9: We can have unlimited drones up there, and drones are
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Speaker 9: what's happened to you right now? Thank you.
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Speaker 7: And so Emily.
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Speaker 3: It's interesting because you actually had a bunch of people
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Speaker 3: being tagged as conspiracy theorists who were saying, you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the contractors working on this ballroom. I'm
15:38
Speaker 3: looking at the whole they're digging. I'm looking at where
15:40
Speaker 3: all the dirt is winding up, like this is an
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Speaker 3: enormous amount of dirt winding up at the golf course nearby.
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Speaker 3: There is a lot more getting built here, uh than
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Speaker 3: just a ballroom. I remember looking at it and thinking, well,
15:51
Speaker 3: how is this even a conspiracy? Like of course, like,
15:53
Speaker 3: of course this is this is what the White House
15:56
Speaker 3: is doing, like building a gigantic bunker. This whole drone
16:01
Speaker 3: port thing is is an interesting little twist that Trump
16:04
Speaker 3: is throwing onto it. But yeah, I mean I would
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Speaker 3: imagine you assumed as well, like yeah, that they're gonna
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Speaker 3: they're that they're building kind of a just massive situation
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Speaker 3: room on steroids underneath this ballroom.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think anytime you're doing significant construction in the
16:20
Speaker 6: White House. There's going to be something weird that the
16:23
Speaker 6: public doesn't really know about going beneath the surface.
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Speaker 5: But that clip, it's just I said.
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Speaker 6: This about something else a couple of weeks ago, and
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Speaker 6: it doesn't even compare to what we just saw from him.
16:35
Speaker 6: He puts now watch this drive to shame. He's constantly
16:40
Speaker 6: this is like the now watch this Drive presidency. And
16:44
Speaker 6: that's obviously the famous clip of George W. Bush answering
16:48
Speaker 6: questions about the Iraq War and then saying not watch
16:50
Speaker 6: this drive. Just taking a big swing in his golf ball.
16:53
Speaker 6: That is I mean, he's he's in front of his
16:56
Speaker 6: ballroom construction talking about how titanium.
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Speaker 5: Is, as is what are the best medals?
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Speaker 6: And it's just like unbelievable, Like thirteen American soldiers have died,
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Speaker 6: how many civilians were lost in that original girls school strike,
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Speaker 6: and that's continued into the field like it's a life
17:13
Speaker 6: and death situation.
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Speaker 5: People are paying five dollars a gallon for gas.
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Speaker 6: It's just I mean, yes, it's Trump, so we're numb
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Speaker 6: to it and kind of get it. But we're also
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Speaker 6: in a war now and he's out there just pleases
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Speaker 6: can be to talk about the construction.
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Speaker 7: And it's almost too over the top.
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Speaker 3: Like the most famous line from somebody out of touch
17:39
Speaker 3: who eventually got beheaded let them eat cake. That is
17:43
Speaker 3: less out of touch, I feel like than the amount
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Speaker 3: of focus that he has on an actual ballroom while
17:52
Speaker 3: he's burning the country and its finances to the ground,
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Speaker 3: Like it's truly incredible. Like if you try to write this,
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Speaker 3: people were like stop a billion dollar ballroom.
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Speaker 7: And that's his main focus, like impossible.
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Speaker 6: He also is not even just the concept of the ballroom,
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Speaker 6: the concept of the plan of the ballroom, because I
18:17
Speaker 6: actually don't think it's indefensible that you would build a ballroom.
18:20
Speaker 7: Now this particular I'm actually pro ballroom.
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Speaker 5: Build a ball this particular ballroom.
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Speaker 9: You know.
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Speaker 6: I think it's it's not part great, Let's put it
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Speaker 6: that way. It might not look great, but he's so
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Speaker 6: obsessed with the process of the ballroom, and it's it's
18:37
Speaker 6: not just the ballroom either, like that's we're now looking
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Speaker 6: at the arch and all of those other things.
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Speaker 5: So anyway, before I.
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Speaker 6: Sound too much like bluing on, it is just remarkable
18:46
Speaker 6: to be in a war and watch him fixate. Even
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Speaker 6: I think Ryan maybe it's escalated during the war because
18:53
Speaker 6: he's obsessed with legacy building and he knows, you know,
18:56
Speaker 6: he's juggling one real threat to his legacy, which he
18:59
Speaker 6: sees as an opportunity for his legacy, but also understands
19:02
Speaker 6: that it's risky and it's a threat. Juggling that alongside
19:06
Speaker 6: his efforts to just physically beautify DC and the White
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Speaker 6: House and just put his stamp on American history. It's
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Speaker 6: very I shouldn't say it's strange because again you see
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Speaker 6: his logic, but it's it's weird to watch. It's strange
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Speaker 6: to watch it happened in real time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish that that's all he was doing. Like,
19:25
Speaker 3: if that's all he was doing, like, just go for it, man,
19:29
Speaker 3: just do it. Meanwhile, there is legislation on the Hill
19:34
Speaker 3: now that he desperately wants passed to get funding for
19:37
Speaker 3: ICE and CBP that is held up because he is
19:41
Speaker 3: demanding that his party vote for this billion dollars for
19:45
Speaker 3: this ballroom, which they don't want to do because they
19:48
Speaker 3: were told repeatedly, don't worry, I'm doing all of these
19:51
Speaker 3: shakedowns of my donors and they're going to pay for
19:54
Speaker 3: this ballroom and now all of a sudden, it's a
19:55
Speaker 3: billion dollars, they're going to have to put their name
19:58
Speaker 3: to that and don't want to do that. And so
20:01
Speaker 3: now Trump is you holding up? Trump is basically using
20:05
Speaker 3: Ice and CBP as hostages to try to get his
20:07
Speaker 3: ballroom spending.
20:08
Speaker 6: Well, and I know we're going to talk about the elections,
20:11
Speaker 6: but we should also note that he has two lame
20:14
Speaker 6: duck senators now that are motivated to vote against him,
20:18
Speaker 6: and Tom Tillis and Bill Cassidy because they faced threats
20:22
Speaker 6: from MAGA, and so it's kind of already. I mean,
20:25
Speaker 6: if we assume DEM's take over the House in the Senate,
20:28
Speaker 6: we'll look back on this period. Maybe they don't take
20:30
Speaker 6: over the Senate, but we'll look back on this period
20:33
Speaker 6: as the beginning of the lame duck after these primaries.
20:35
Speaker 6: Interestingly enough, because of what's happened in the Senate between Obviously,
20:38
Speaker 6: Tom Tillis was already in that position, he was retiring,
20:41
Speaker 6: but now with Bill Cassidy, that is a blow if
20:44
Speaker 6: he starts voting against the president, and he's already indicated
20:47
Speaker 6: that he's trying to extract concessions now that he's been
20:51
Speaker 6: kind of pushed by MAGA out of the Senate.
20:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Cassidy just voted for the Iran War Resolution.
20:58
Speaker 3: To put a fine point on that. Let's move on
21:02
Speaker 3: to this other slush fund. Maybe Trump should just fund
21:05
Speaker 3: his ballroom out of the money he just stole from
21:08
Speaker 3: the IRS. So Trump, for you guys are gonna have
21:13
Speaker 3: to like google this because I think like nobody would
21:15
Speaker 3: even believe it. Like I can't even believe that I'm
21:19
Speaker 3: saying it. So Trump sued the IRS for ten billion
21:23
Speaker 3: dollars for because some of his tax.
21:26
Speaker 7: Returns became public.
21:29
Speaker 5: They leaked to the New York Times.
21:30
Speaker 7: Leak to the New York Times.
21:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a judge was about to throw out this
21:35
Speaker 3: lawsuit because the judge was like, hey, buddy, like you
21:38
Speaker 3: control the IRS and you control the DJ Like this
21:41
Speaker 3: is like you're you're all parties of this. You're the
21:44
Speaker 3: president of the United States. This you can't do this. That's
21:46
Speaker 3: that was about to happen. Trump says, no, no, no, guys,
21:49
Speaker 3: you need to sit in a room and come up
21:51
Speaker 3: with a settlement. So the Trump comes up with a
21:56
Speaker 3: settlement with the IRS where the IRS says we're going
22:00
Speaker 3: to create a Trump truth and Justice Fund. We're going
22:04
Speaker 3: to put one point seven seven six billion dollars of
22:08
Speaker 3: taxpayer money into it that can be distributed by you
22:12
Speaker 3: to anybody you want to go towards people who you
22:15
Speaker 3: believe were wronged by federal prosecutions, such as yourself and
22:19
Speaker 3: anybody in your family, and anybody involved in January sixth
22:24
Speaker 3: and in the future, none of neither you nor any
22:28
Speaker 3: of your family or organizations affiliated with your family can
22:32
Speaker 3: be subject to IRS audits. Like that's the agreement that
22:36
Speaker 3: he forced the IRS to reach. That's a actually pretty
22:39
Speaker 3: big chunk of the IRS budget. By the way, So
22:44
Speaker 3: jd Vance now is taking incoming from us. It's always
22:49
Speaker 3: fun to hear kind of jd Vance turn what Trump's
22:52
Speaker 3: doing into like eloquent paragraphs. So let's let's see how
22:56
Speaker 3: he manages some of this. Let's roll be one.
22:59
Speaker 8: I understand everybody is eligible to apply from this one.
23:02
Speaker 11: I mean you're eligible, but I assume you're not going
23:04
Speaker 11: to apply and you don't think you should get money
23:06
Speaker 11: out of this course.
23:07
Speaker 9: So isn't it just as easy to say that people.
23:09
Speaker 11: That attacked police officers should not get taxpayer money from
23:14
Speaker 11: this one?
23:15
Speaker 12: Well, look, John, we're not trying to give money to
23:17
Speaker 12: anybody who attacked a police officer. We're trying to give money,
23:21
Speaker 12: not give money. We're trying to compensate people where the
23:24
Speaker 12: book was thrown at them. They were mistreated by the
23:27
Speaker 12: legal system. Sometimes, you know, we are. We do have
23:30
Speaker 12: John in this in this country, innocent until proven guilty.
23:33
Speaker 12: We do have people who were accused of attacking law
23:35
Speaker 12: enforcement officers. That doesn't that that that that that doesn't
23:39
Speaker 12: that doesn't mean that we're going to completely ignore some
23:42
Speaker 12: of the claims that they're going to make. We're going
23:44
Speaker 12: to evaluate these things on a case by case basis.
23:46
Speaker 7: And if we.
23:47
Speaker 12: Think that somebody whatever they were accused of, if we
23:50
Speaker 12: think that somebody was unfairly prosecuted and deserves just compensation,
23:56
Speaker 12: then that's what this fund is going to exist provide.
23:58
Speaker 12: It's just going to correct a wrong. And I think
24:01
Speaker 12: that's a good thing, and I'd encourage everybody, Democrat, Republican, Independent,
24:04
Speaker 12: let's turn the page on this thing that we did
24:07
Speaker 12: under the last administration where we try to throw people
24:09
Speaker 12: in prison because they had the wrong politics. Let's throw
24:12
Speaker 12: people in prison who broke the law. I think this
24:15
Speaker 12: fund is a good part of getting justice for the
24:17
Speaker 12: people who were wrongly treated.
24:19
Speaker 3: So Emily, do you want to hear how Trump formulated
24:22
Speaker 3: a response to that, or do you already want to
24:24
Speaker 3: have any thoughts on Jadie Vance's reply there?
24:26
Speaker 5: First, well, no, let's let's kick to Trump.
24:29
Speaker 6: But also just note that Jade Vance was if you're
24:32
Speaker 6: listening to this, that quote was from the White House
24:34
Speaker 6: briefing room. Jade Vance did a press briefing yesterday, which
24:37
Speaker 6: was itself interesting because Marco Rubio did one not long ago.
24:41
Speaker 6: So while they're filling in for Caroline Levett, Rubo goes,
24:44
Speaker 6: then not long after a couple weeks later, Vance steps in.
24:48
Speaker 6: So I think probably worth noting a little sign of
24:51
Speaker 6: jockeying there too.
24:52
Speaker 5: But let's take a listen to the presidents.
24:54
Speaker 6: Marvin has this new fund that was announced today one
24:57
Speaker 6: point seven billion dollars.
25:00
Speaker 5: Why should TAPS players pay for the January?
25:04
Speaker 10: Well, it's been very well received. I have to tell
25:06
Speaker 10: you I know very little about it. I wasn't involved
25:08
Speaker 10: in the whole creation of it and the negotiation. But
25:13
Speaker 10: this is reimbursing people that were horribly treated, horribly treated
25:17
Speaker 10: as anti weaponization, they've been weaponized, they've been in some
25:21
Speaker 10: cases imprisoned wrongly, they paid legal fees that they didn't have,
25:25
Speaker 10: They've gone bankrupt, their lives have been destroyed, and they
25:29
Speaker 10: turned out to be right. I mean, it was a
25:31
Speaker 10: terrible period of time in the history of our country,
25:34
Speaker 10: and they worked on it. I know the Justice Department,
25:36
Speaker 10: it's really been working on it very hard. There's been
25:40
Speaker 10: numerous other occasions over the years where things like this
25:42
Speaker 10: have been done. But these were people that were weaponized
25:46
Speaker 10: and really treated brutally by a system that was so corrupt,
25:50
Speaker 10: with corrupt people running it. And they're getting reimbursed for
25:53
Speaker 10: their legal fees and the other things that they had
25:56
Speaker 10: to suffer.
25:57
Speaker 5: Brent, I was just going.
25:58
Speaker 6: To say, both Trump and Vance are correct that people
26:02
Speaker 6: were wronged in the rush to prosecute folks for some serious,
26:09
Speaker 6: obviously serious wrongdoing on January sixth. There was a huge
26:13
Speaker 6: dragnet and there were some wild over prosecutions and political.
26:17
Speaker 5: Abuses that came afterwards.
26:19
Speaker 6: What you then have to trust them to do, and
26:22
Speaker 6: maybe you can help us break down what we know
26:24
Speaker 6: about the mechanics of the slush fund so far, but
26:27
Speaker 6: you have to then put your trust in this slush
26:30
Speaker 6: fund and its managers, which are essentially it's a board
26:33
Speaker 6: of what like five or six people with allegedly there
26:36
Speaker 6: will be some congressional representative that is supposed to provide oversight.
26:40
Speaker 6: I think Todd blanche is on the board. You then
26:42
Speaker 6: have to trust that this is just going to be
26:45
Speaker 6: used for the people who were caught in the drag net,
26:47
Speaker 6: who were over prosecuted, and not for you anything that's
26:53
Speaker 6: political favor related, because we haven't seen any evidence of
26:58
Speaker 6: this administration doing anything like that, self dealing and the like.
27:02
Speaker 6: So they're they're asking for an enormous amount of trust
27:05
Speaker 6: for people to buy that it is really just going
27:08
Speaker 6: to be used to correct some of the legitimate.
27:13
Speaker 3: Wrongs, right, and they've done really nothing to earn that trust.
27:17
Speaker 3: When Trump came in and did this, did his blanket
27:21
Speaker 3: pardon there of everybody, basically everybody. There was this amazing
27:26
Speaker 3: moment in the White House in the Oval office where
27:29
Speaker 3: a reporter said, but hey, you know, you didn't pardon
27:32
Speaker 3: just the people who you know were non violent.
27:36
Speaker 7: And after the capital had been sacked.
27:38
Speaker 3: And police were like letting people in, you know, they
27:41
Speaker 3: walked in, walked around a little bit, and walked back
27:43
Speaker 3: out and if the police kind of wave you in
27:46
Speaker 3: to me, you actually shouldn't be prosecuted for that if
27:48
Speaker 3: you didn't have anything to do with the reason that
27:50
Speaker 3: they're now waving you in, which was the violent assault
27:52
Speaker 3: on the Capitol. But what the reporter said at Trump
27:55
Speaker 3: is like, it wasn't just those people and named named
27:58
Speaker 3: one guy who you know, killed a police officer, nearly
28:01
Speaker 3: beat him to death and was let out as a
28:04
Speaker 3: result of this.
28:05
Speaker 7: And Trump said, oh, did I do that.
28:07
Speaker 3: I'll look in I'll look into that, and then just
28:09
Speaker 3: move and then just moved on. So what do you
28:11
Speaker 3: mean you'll look into it like you are, you've already
28:13
Speaker 3: done it. And also we know you're not going to
28:16
Speaker 3: look into it. Has he looked into it? No, he
28:18
Speaker 3: hasn't looked into it.
28:19
Speaker 7: Now.
28:19
Speaker 3: Decent number of these J sixers have been arrested subsequently
28:24
Speaker 3: for other acts of violence. I wonder if that's going to,
28:27
Speaker 3: you know, hinder their ability to cash in on some.
28:29
Speaker 7: Of this some of this money.
28:32
Speaker 3: But can you imagine if Democrats in the twenty twenty
28:35
Speaker 3: four campaign put out an ad saying that if Trump wins,
28:41
Speaker 3: He's going to create an illegal fund of nearly two
28:45
Speaker 3: billion dollars and he's going to pay it out to
28:48
Speaker 3: himself and to January six ers. Can you imagine if
28:51
Speaker 3: they said that, I would have been like, that's crazy,
28:55
Speaker 3: There's no there's how could you, like, I understand you
28:59
Speaker 3: got some problems with Trump? On what planet would anybody
29:03
Speaker 3: be that unpatriotic, that insane? Like I stopped, There's no
29:10
Speaker 3: way he's going to do that. Clearly, I deeply underestimated
29:14
Speaker 3: what this guy is capable of. He's coming up with, uh,
29:21
Speaker 3: new new avenues of the gravity that were like previously
29:25
Speaker 3: kind of inconceivable. And actually the trade, the stock trading
29:29
Speaker 3: is a good one dvance just getting hammered with all
29:32
Speaker 3: of Trump's stuff. So Donald Trump in the first quarter
29:36
Speaker 3: of this last year traded more stocks than all of
29:41
Speaker 3: Congress combined for like the entire year.
29:45
Speaker 7: Think about that.
29:46
Speaker 3: Congress is this hornet's nest of insider trading, and Trump
29:52
Speaker 3: on his own in three months did more trading than them. Uh,
29:57
Speaker 3: and explicitly.
29:58
Speaker 7: They trades go ahead.
29:59
Speaker 5: It's through a broker, right, And not that that makes
30:02
Speaker 5: it better. It actually is a good reason. I think
30:04
Speaker 5: that some of these.
30:05
Speaker 3: He's not on a merror trade like execute on the trade.
30:09
Speaker 3: But yeah, like he's he's trading, he's buying in Vidia stock,
30:13
Speaker 3: and then he's making an announcement about in Nvidia. He's
30:16
Speaker 3: he's buying a Palenteer. Whenever he would visit like a
30:21
Speaker 3: factory and encourage people to invest in that factory, like
30:25
Speaker 3: that day or the day before, he would buy stock there,
30:27
Speaker 3: knowing knowing that his visit there is going to is
30:29
Speaker 3: going to bump up the share price. Just an incredible
30:33
Speaker 3: harvesting of other people's money.
30:35
Speaker 6: Well, also just a really great illustration of why some
30:38
Speaker 6: of these efforts. The only reason I brought that up
30:40
Speaker 6: is some of the efforts to like quote ban congressional
30:43
Speaker 6: stock trading.
30:43
Speaker 5: You can't.
30:44
Speaker 6: It has to be banned completely for public servants because
30:48
Speaker 6: they'll just say, oh, I put it in a blind
30:50
Speaker 6: blind thing, or I'm doing it through a broker.
30:52
Speaker 5: I've got nothing to do with the broker. And that's
30:54
Speaker 5: almost never.
30:54
Speaker 6: I mean, it's such as it's that excuse never has
30:58
Speaker 6: much credibility. And this is I think he posted on
31:01
Speaker 6: true social that caught people's eye.
31:04
Speaker 5: What was this a couple of months ago? The palaunteer.
31:07
Speaker 6: He posts a Palenteer but then in parentheses uh, the
31:10
Speaker 6: stock abbreviation.
31:12
Speaker 5: Did you see this? People were like, why did he
31:14
Speaker 5: do that? And then it turns out around the same
31:16
Speaker 5: time he was buying palenteer.
31:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's truly incredible.
31:20
Speaker 3: So let's hear how Jade Vance responds to this one.
31:24
Speaker 11: The question, sir, is, how can you and your administration
31:29
Speaker 11: argue to Americans that you're cleaning up corruption, you're preventing fraud,
31:34
Speaker 11: you're fighting the sorts of things that harm people and
31:38
Speaker 11: people's financial situations, when the president seems to be talking
31:42
Speaker 11: up stocks that he owns, selling them and enriching himself.
31:46
Speaker 12: Okay, so here, let me let me let me answer
31:48
Speaker 12: your question here, that was a doozy. Before I answer
31:50
Speaker 12: your question, I want to just observe there are different
31:53
Speaker 12: ways to ask a question.
31:54
Speaker 7: Okay.
31:55
Speaker 12: You could just ask a question, try to get your answer,
31:58
Speaker 12: or you could do like a speech where you say,
32:00
Speaker 12: you know, mister Vice president, every you know you're a
32:04
Speaker 12: terrible human being, and so is the president, so is
32:06
Speaker 12: the entire cabinet. And then I'm like, what's your question?
32:09
Speaker 12: And then your question is how dare you?
32:11
Speaker 9: Come on?
32:11
Speaker 12: Man, have a little bit of objectivity in the way
32:15
Speaker 12: that you ask these questions because there were a lot
32:17
Speaker 12: of things in that speech masquerading is a question that
32:20
Speaker 12: didn't actually get asked.
32:21
Speaker 5: Okay.
32:22
Speaker 12: Number one, the President doesn't sit at the Oval Office
32:25
Speaker 12: on his computer, on his like Robin Hood account, buying
32:28
Speaker 12: and selling stocks.
32:29
Speaker 7: That's absurd.
32:30
Speaker 12: He has independent wealth of advisors who manage his money.
32:34
Speaker 12: He is a wealthy person, he has had success in business.
32:37
Speaker 12: He's not maybe making these stock trades himself. And your
32:40
Speaker 12: question imputes that it sort of It doesn't say it exactly,
32:44
Speaker 12: but a reasonable person listening to that question would assume
32:46
Speaker 12: the President is sitting around and doing that.
32:48
Speaker 9: He's not.
32:49
Speaker 12: Second of all, you're right. I am a big fan
32:52
Speaker 12: of banning members of Congress from trading stocks. So is
32:55
Speaker 12: the President of the United States. All of us believe
32:58
Speaker 12: that nobody should be taking proprietary information gained from public
33:02
Speaker 12: service and buying and selling stocks. We want to ban
33:06
Speaker 12: we want to ban that, We want to ban that process.
33:08
Speaker 12: And I think the way to lead by example is
33:10
Speaker 12: banning that process, banning that approach, and making it illegal,
33:14
Speaker 12: which is exactly what the President has proposed doing.
33:17
Speaker 3: I mean, having a broker doesn't mean you can't call
33:19
Speaker 3: the broker and say, buy a million dollars worth of Nvidia,
33:22
Speaker 3: Like it's just a coincidence that the broker is buying
33:25
Speaker 3: these stocks of these companies that he's visiting that day
33:28
Speaker 3: or the day before, he's buying them the day before.
33:31
Speaker 3: If he has the best broker on the planet, if
33:34
Speaker 3: he's not taking direction from Trump and he just keeps
33:39
Speaker 3: nailing like the timing of these trades, then this this
33:43
Speaker 3: broker needs needs his own You know, it's the NBC show.
33:46
Speaker 3: Because guy's got incredible foresight.
33:49
Speaker 5: You can compete with Kramer. He may actually be better.
33:53
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the way Vance responded is also I don't
33:59
Speaker 6: know if it's a tell, but it's it's so frustrating nonetheless,
34:05
Speaker 6: because yes, this is, I mean, draining the swamp is
34:08
Speaker 6: other than build the wall, like the most memorable tagline
34:12
Speaker 6: of the last ten years of MAGA. And they made
34:15
Speaker 6: these really flamboyant promises to voters in twenty twenty four,
34:19
Speaker 6: also in twenty twenty and in twenty sixteen, but particularly
34:22
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty four campaign, which Jade Vance was a
34:24
Speaker 6: part of. They made these really flamboyant promises to voters
34:28
Speaker 6: about draining the swamp and ending corruption and as we've
34:31
Speaker 6: been discussing this morning, it has been like paddled to
34:35
Speaker 6: the metal on self dealing from Trump himself. You know,
34:40
Speaker 6: Chrystal and Sager talked about that great Isaac saalpiece that
34:42
Speaker 6: kind of wrapped up all of the not even hidden
34:46
Speaker 6: or like investigated investigative journalism type stories, but like actual
34:52
Speaker 6: just like they're just coming out and saying it type
34:55
Speaker 6: corruption stories in the last several months, but just the
34:58
Speaker 6: first year, what almost a year and a half of
35:01
Speaker 6: the second Trump administration. It's there's no plausible no, Like
35:06
Speaker 6: the doge was there during the swamp mechanism, they didn't,
35:10
Speaker 6: as Steve Vannon said, cross.
35:11
Speaker 5: The river and go to the Pentagon. They never did that.
35:13
Speaker 6: They're in fact asking for a bigger Pentagon budget. So
35:18
Speaker 6: it's it's a stark contrast. And I think, you know,
35:23
Speaker 6: Vance is aware of the contradictions and was trying to
35:28
Speaker 6: be pretty smooth there to get around it.
35:30
Speaker 5: But it's something you just can't get around.
35:32
Speaker 7: All right, let's finish with a JD. Vance hat trick.
35:34
Speaker 3: So Trump has also said multiple times in the last
35:39
Speaker 3: week that when it comes to the Iran war, he
35:42
Speaker 3: doesn't think even a little bit about the American people's
35:46
Speaker 3: financial situation.
35:48
Speaker 7: You may say to yourself, that.
35:49
Speaker 3: Doesn't sound like somebody who cares about the American people's
35:52
Speaker 3: financial situation. So let's see how Jadavans responded to this one.
35:58
Speaker 5: Just to follow up on the war.
36:00
Speaker 13: You last week denied that the President said he was
36:02
Speaker 13: not taking Americans financial situations into consideration when he's making
36:06
Speaker 13: decisions on the Iran war. He was asked about that again,
36:10
Speaker 13: he stood by it, called any perfect statement, and said
36:12
Speaker 13: he would make it again. Do you believe that Americans
36:15
Speaker 13: financial situations should be taken into consideration when you're making
36:18
Speaker 13: decisions as an administration exuk See Kaitlin.
36:21
Speaker 12: What you did is you misrepresented the question that I
36:24
Speaker 12: was asked, and then you misrepresented the answer that I gave.
36:26
Speaker 12: What I said is that a question that was asked
36:29
Speaker 12: where the President allegedly he allegedly said that he didn't
36:32
Speaker 12: care about Americans financial situations. He never said that. What
36:36
Speaker 12: he said is that when he was totally taken out
36:38
Speaker 12: of context, what he said is that when he is
36:40
Speaker 12: negotiating with the Iranians, he's focused on the national security
36:44
Speaker 12: objectives that he's trying to achieve. Of course, the President
36:47
Speaker 12: has a mandate to be focused on a number of things,
36:51
Speaker 12: and I guarantee you every single day I have conversations
36:54
Speaker 12: with him about it. Every single day. He's worried about
36:57
Speaker 12: his fellow Americans. He wants them to be prosperous, he
36:59
Speaker 12: wants them to he wants them to have good jobs.
37:02
Speaker 12: That's why we've done the things and taken the steps
37:04
Speaker 12: that we've taken in order to create record job growth,
37:07
Speaker 12: in order to create record wage growth, in order to
37:10
Speaker 12: induce trillions of dollars of new investment in our country.
37:13
Speaker 12: That's because he cares about that stuff. What he also
37:15
Speaker 12: said is that when he's talking to the Iranians, he's
37:17
Speaker 12: talking to the Iranians about questions of course of national security,
37:21
Speaker 12: like their nuclear program.
37:23
Speaker 9: You could hold two thoughts.
37:24
Speaker 12: In your head at the same time that the President
37:26
Speaker 12: cares about financial security for Americans, but also when he's
37:29
Speaker 12: negotiating with the Iranians, he's talking about the issues that
37:32
Speaker 12: are germane to the concerns of that particular conflict.
37:36
Speaker 3: Sure, Jad, Okay, Now let's move on to something that
37:38
Speaker 3: Trump does actually care about, and that was enacting revenge
37:42
Speaker 3: on Thomas Massey.
37:43
Speaker 7: That's up next.
37:47
Speaker 3: Republican Thomas Massey has lost his primary in Kentucky after
37:51
Speaker 3: getting some twenty million dollars dropped on him by pro
37:54
Speaker 3: Israel and pro Trump groups.
37:56
Speaker 7: Who can put up C one here?
37:58
Speaker 3: It looks like in the end we're going to be
38:01
Speaker 3: staring at roughly what a ten thousand vote margin a
38:06
Speaker 3: guy named what Ed Gallerin? Who don't anybody you know
38:10
Speaker 3: commit this guy's name to memory, because I don't think
38:13
Speaker 3: we're gonna hear much about him going forward. His role
38:16
Speaker 3: was to put his name on the ballot, be a
38:19
Speaker 3: Navy seal, and have tens of millions of dollars in
38:23
Speaker 3: commercials attack Massy and boost him. He skipped basically every debate,
38:29
Speaker 3: did very little campaigning. But this wasn't about that sort
38:33
Speaker 3: of election. This was about knocking him out of office.
38:39
Speaker 3: Massey conceded last night. Let's roll see two here.
38:43
Speaker 4: I would have come out sooner, but I had to
38:46
Speaker 4: call my opponent and concede, And it took a while
38:49
Speaker 4: to find Ed Galeran in Tel Aviv.
39:00
Speaker 9: I did get to call you.
39:01
Speaker 5: I have called and conceded the race.
39:04
Speaker 4: We've been honorable the whole time, and we're going to
39:07
Speaker 4: stay that way. Right ahead, What what happens in twenty
39:23
Speaker 4: twenty eight? You want oh you oh, you want me
39:31
Speaker 4: to run for Congress again.
39:36
Speaker 14: I don't know what you're talking about. All right, all right,
39:56
Speaker 14: well you made you've made.
39:58
Speaker 9: A compelling argument.
40:00
Speaker 7: You smoke your piece.
40:02
Speaker 14: But I need a medical Margarita right now, and we'll
40:07
Speaker 14: and we'll talk about it later.
40:09
Speaker 3: So, of the two leading Republicans who pushed for the
40:11
Speaker 3: opening of the Epstein files, Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey,
40:15
Speaker 3: they're both now out. Emily, what you know, what happened here?
40:20
Speaker 3: What's going on?
40:22
Speaker 7: Well?
40:22
Speaker 6: Can we put the APAC tweet up? This is I
40:24
Speaker 6: want to say, this is the three moment yep this
40:27
Speaker 6: is This tells you what happened APAC says al Ed
40:30
Speaker 6: Galleran's victory in Kentucky and Clay Fullers went in Georgia,
40:33
Speaker 6: and sure's two outspoken pro Israel voices are positioned to
40:36
Speaker 6: phil seats previously held by outspoken detractors Thomas Massey and
40:39
Speaker 6: Marjorie Taylor Green. And then here's the important part of
40:42
Speaker 6: this tweet quote. Our community was proud to help pro
40:44
Speaker 6: Israel candidates win these races. Now this is the big
40:48
Speaker 6: difference between every other primary that Thomas Massey has run
40:52
Speaker 6: in and the primary this year. Thomas Massey, of course
40:55
Speaker 6: did vote against the one Big Beautiful Bill last year,
40:58
Speaker 6: but Thomas Massey has bucked Trump on other big bills before.
41:02
Speaker 6: Trump first came out against Massey when he was bucking
41:07
Speaker 6: Trump on COVID, the COVID relief package, huge big ticket
41:11
Speaker 6: part of the Trump presidency. Massy goes up against him,
41:15
Speaker 6: and Trump says, this guy, he basically was insulting Massy.
41:18
Speaker 6: Massy gets a primary challenge, but over and over again,
41:22
Speaker 6: I just pulled some of the results in his primaries.
41:25
Speaker 6: This is twenty twenty four seventy six percent. So after
41:30
Speaker 6: that happened, he wins his primary by seventy six percent.
41:32
Speaker 6: This is twenty twenty two, seventy five percent. He wins
41:36
Speaker 6: his primary seventy five percent. This is twenty twenty June
41:40
Speaker 6: twenty third, twenty twenty eighty one percent. He won his
41:43
Speaker 6: primary by eighty one percent. So thirty two million dollars
41:47
Speaker 6: goes into Kentucky's fourth district. This is, according to the
41:50
Speaker 6: Wall Street Journal, to a primary in Kentucky's fourth district,
41:55
Speaker 6: thirteen and a half million for Massy, eighteen point six
41:58
Speaker 6: million for Gal Ryan, and again reading from the.
42:01
Speaker 5: Journal here quote.
42:02
Speaker 6: The super Pac, led by Trump strategist Chris los Avita
42:04
Speaker 6: and polster Tony Fabrizio, released an ad this month accusing
42:07
Speaker 6: Massi of being in a throuble with Alexandro Casio Cortes
42:12
Speaker 6: ilan Omar. The super Pac receives funding from Hawkers, pro
42:15
Speaker 6: Is Reel, Hedge fund billionaires Paul Singer, John Paulson, and
42:18
Speaker 6: a group funded by wealthy donor Miriam Adelson, according to
42:22
Speaker 6: campaign finance filings. And then again you see APAC claiming
42:26
Speaker 6: that they helped Well, yes, Ran, You've been reporting on
42:29
Speaker 6: this happening to the left for a long time, but
42:32
Speaker 6: without this money, this primary, like all things being constant,
42:38
Speaker 6: Trump has criticized Massy before, and very very sharply. Massy
42:42
Speaker 6: has gone against Trump before on a big picture piece
42:45
Speaker 6: of legislation or a big ticket piece of legislation with
42:47
Speaker 6: COVID relief.
42:48
Speaker 5: Yes, again, I get it.
42:50
Speaker 6: I actually think they're totally It makes sense that there
42:54
Speaker 6: are people in Massi world who are Trump voters. I
42:57
Speaker 6: wouldn't agree with them, but in Kentucky's fourth this to
43:00
Speaker 6: say you voted against that bill that secured the border
43:03
Speaker 6: or provided immigration enforcement whatever, I get it.
43:07
Speaker 5: He's been on a lot of podcasts.
43:08
Speaker 6: They see him as somebody who's like leaning into media
43:11
Speaker 6: appearances and that sort of thing. So I see where
43:14
Speaker 6: people are coming from. But the big difference here money money, money, money,
43:19
Speaker 6: That's it. And Ryan, you can tell us when that
43:22
Speaker 6: money comes in from these sources that the money is
43:24
Speaker 6: coming in from.
43:25
Speaker 5: It was about one issue.
43:27
Speaker 3: Right, It was about one issue, but as you said,
43:29
Speaker 3: that wasn't the issue that played out on the airwaves.
43:33
Speaker 3: The ad about the throttle is incredible. Like a lot
43:36
Speaker 3: of these ads that they were running were AI generated
43:39
Speaker 3: and one of them has like.
43:41
Speaker 7: CCTV fake CCTV.
43:43
Speaker 3: Footage in a hotel room, yeah, showing Thomas Massey going
43:48
Speaker 3: to the hotel clerk holding hands with like AOC and
43:52
Speaker 3: iilhan Omar and then shows them like walking into a
43:55
Speaker 3: hotel room. And I think they would if they were
44:00
Speaker 3: forced to defend it, they would say, well, we mean
44:02
Speaker 3: metaphorically he's in bed with Democrats because he votes on
44:07
Speaker 3: the same way with them sometimes.
44:09
Speaker 7: But I you know, he lost.
44:11
Speaker 3: By like thirty forty points among people sixty five and up.
44:14
Speaker 3: People sixty five and up sitting at home watching that,
44:18
Speaker 3: watching that ad would not believe. I don't think that
44:21
Speaker 3: it was AI generated, like they thought they were being
44:24
Speaker 3: told what they were actually being told. So I think
44:27
Speaker 3: it's a really good point. So just to put a
44:30
Speaker 3: fine point on it, because I know you got to
44:31
Speaker 3: run Trump. Let's say Trump comes against Massey, but there
44:36
Speaker 3: isn't twenty million dollars spent against him because of his
44:40
Speaker 3: criticism and Israel because of his release of the Epstein files.
44:43
Speaker 3: Does Massy hold on in your counterfactual world where it's
44:47
Speaker 3: only Trump and not Adelson and Paul Singer in the
44:51
Speaker 3: rest of the APAC world?
44:53
Speaker 5: I think absolutely yes.
44:54
Speaker 6: And this is I just want to put up on
44:57
Speaker 6: the screen before we run C four. The first time
45:01
Speaker 6: I interviewed Massey was back when I was with the
45:03
Speaker 6: Washing Exammer in twenty seventeen. And this quote that he
45:06
Speaker 6: gave us, it wasn't even responsible question I asked, I
45:08
Speaker 6: was just the one who wrote up the piece it was,
45:12
Speaker 6: he said, basically, when he had been campaigning in twenty
45:15
Speaker 6: twelve with Ron Paul and Rand Paul, he made the
45:17
Speaker 6: mistake of thinking, Wow, all these people are just really
45:19
Speaker 6: excited about libertarian values and realized ultimately that they were
45:24
Speaker 6: when Trump came around. These was the same people supporting
45:27
Speaker 6: Trump and they were just looking for, quote, the craziest
45:30
Speaker 6: son of a bitch in the race, and this quote
45:32
Speaker 6: made it into books and the like. It's it's become
45:35
Speaker 6: somewhat famous for people who.
45:38
Speaker 5: Study the MAGA movement.
45:39
Speaker 6: And I think what it says at the end of
45:41
Speaker 6: the day is that for a lot of those people,
45:42
Speaker 6: Trump is still the craziest son of a bitch in
45:45
Speaker 6: the race, and they still have that trust in him
45:49
Speaker 6: above others. And that is one of the big takeaways.
45:53
Speaker 6: It's the Trump loyalty test is still what those APAC
45:57
Speaker 6: groups or the APAC and the pro Israel groups used
46:01
Speaker 6: ultimately to get At Massey, it wasn't You've covered this
46:05
Speaker 6: many times.
46:06
Speaker 5: It wasn't about Israel and the airwaves.
46:10
Speaker 3: All right, Well, Emily, thanks for thanks for being here
46:14
Speaker 3: and happy travels.
46:16
Speaker 5: Thank you.
46:19
Speaker 3: So in two competitive congressional races in Pennsylvania, Bob Brooks
46:24
Speaker 3: in the Lehigh Valley overcame I think more than a
46:26
Speaker 3: million dollars in kind of fake Republican spending where they
46:29
Speaker 3: were trying to kind of uplift an unelectable Democrat. They're
46:33
Speaker 3: doing the same thing in Texas with this lunatic lady
46:36
Speaker 3: who's calling for concentration camps, and they failed. Bob Brooks,
46:40
Speaker 3: the firefighter union guy in from Allentown, Pennsylvania, comfortably won
46:46
Speaker 3: his elections. So he'll be facing McKenzie, the Republican incumbent
46:49
Speaker 3: in the primary there. But more importantly, probably to the
46:53
Speaker 3: National conversation down in Philadelphia, in an open race, Chris
46:58
Speaker 3: Rab and we can put this element up on the
46:59
Speaker 3: screen and emerged victorious, not even that close.
47:03
Speaker 7: By the end of it, forty almost forty five.
47:06
Speaker 3: Percent of the vote for Chris Rab Democratic Socialist against
47:10
Speaker 3: twenty nine twenty five percent for Sharif Street and then
47:13
Speaker 3: Alice Stanford, a physician who had been the front runner,
47:17
Speaker 3: down at twenty four percent.
47:21
Speaker 7: And so this is a rather stunning victory.
47:27
Speaker 3: Two months ago, you would you would not have you know,
47:29
Speaker 3: we were covering Chris Rab two months ago, but you
47:31
Speaker 3: would not have said that he was, you know, kind
47:34
Speaker 3: of remotely even in contention. A lot had to come
47:37
Speaker 3: together for him to be able to win. I think
47:40
Speaker 3: primarily summer Lee deserves an enormous amount of credit in
47:44
Speaker 3: this election.
47:45
Speaker 7: She was.
47:45
Speaker 3: She's the kind of DSA backed, although she's had some
47:49
Speaker 3: complicated relationship with DSA Pittsburgh a candidate for you know,
47:54
Speaker 3: she's the member of Congress from Pittsburgh away across the
47:57
Speaker 3: other side of the state. She came over for She
48:00
Speaker 3: was the first member of Congress to endorse Chris Rab
48:04
Speaker 3: and really and did a lot of kind of recruiting
48:07
Speaker 3: and organizing on his behalf and to really say no, this,
48:11
Speaker 3: this is a winnable race.
48:13
Speaker 7: We need, we need to get in here.
48:15
Speaker 13: Uh.
48:16
Speaker 3: You then had the Working Families Party and DSA Philadelphia
48:21
Speaker 3: getting behind Rab both DSA Philly or Philly. DSA and
48:27
Speaker 3: Working Families Party have done a lot of work in
48:29
Speaker 3: previous cycles in down ballot races and city council races
48:33
Speaker 3: and elsewhere. That built a lot of foundation for Chris
48:37
Speaker 3: rab to then run on rabbit state representative who himself
48:41
Speaker 3: was ran a great campaign and is an impressive candidate
48:46
Speaker 3: and had built relationships kind of in the populist, progressive
48:49
Speaker 3: and DSA world over the years so that when when, when,
48:53
Speaker 3: when the moment came, he was able to capitalize it,
48:56
Speaker 3: capitalize on it in a way that he might not
48:58
Speaker 3: otherwise have been. You also had this new pro Palestine
49:02
Speaker 3: pack which is capitalized with something like ten million bucks,
49:06
Speaker 3: which is largely kind of Muslim donors around the country,
49:12
Speaker 3: saying we need to get politically active in a way
49:14
Speaker 3: that can counteract APACT, and the pack is called American Priorities.
49:19
Speaker 3: They came in and spent about five hundred a little
49:22
Speaker 3: less than five hundred thousand dollars getting behind him. That
49:25
Speaker 3: type of money in a race like this can really
49:28
Speaker 3: put you over the top WFP, and also kicked in
49:33
Speaker 3: about five hundred thousand dollars the Congressional.
49:35
Speaker 7: Progressive Caucus pack.
49:36
Speaker 3: There was a lot of people kind of flooded in
49:39
Speaker 3: to try to match a pack here. So on the
49:42
Speaker 3: other side, you had this candidate Ala Stanford, who rose
49:47
Speaker 3: to prominence in Philadelphia because of her kind of heroic
49:49
Speaker 3: work on the front lines during the COVID pandemic. She
49:54
Speaker 3: then had the support of this group called three fourteen Action,
49:57
Speaker 3: which supports doctors and scientists. But as we had reported
50:01
Speaker 3: here back in twenty twenty four, APAC used three fourteen
50:05
Speaker 3: Action to secretly funnel a lot of money against Soushila Gyapaul.
50:12
Speaker 3: In this Portland, Oregon race also at the time backing
50:15
Speaker 3: a pediatrician. It turned out, and we reported at the time,
50:20
Speaker 3: and it was it was later confirmed that through a
50:22
Speaker 3: variety of different kind of shady blind vehicles they had
50:26
Speaker 3: been they had been funding pro pro Israel and APAC
50:30
Speaker 3: money into three fourteen Action. They were able to beat
50:34
Speaker 3: Sushila Diapaul, who was Promila represented Parilla Giapaul's sister in
50:39
Speaker 3: this race. This three fourteen Actions spent more than three
50:42
Speaker 3: million dollars and you can go read our story over
50:44
Speaker 3: at dropsite to explain the intricacies of how this kind
50:48
Speaker 3: of pro Israel money was funneled through three fourteen Action.
50:51
Speaker 3: APAC continues to deny it. Well, they'll they'll continue to
50:54
Speaker 3: have to release, you know, different reports. Some of the
50:58
Speaker 3: money came from this. They move it from a foundation
51:01
Speaker 3: into then another thing called EDW Action, which has previously
51:04
Speaker 3: been used as an APAC front group, and then they
51:07
Speaker 3: and then EDW Action then gives us the three fourteen Action.
51:10
Speaker 3: The other reason that you can know that this is
51:13
Speaker 3: a pack is that they're the only organization that does this.
51:19
Speaker 7: Crypto AI.
51:23
Speaker 3: And say Big Oil Tech like any of these other
51:28
Speaker 3: packs or Super packs or industries that are spending in
51:32
Speaker 3: these races. When they do it, so far, they do
51:36
Speaker 3: it with their chest like Crypto and AI for instance,
51:39
Speaker 3: are the only ones that can kind of match a
51:42
Speaker 3: pack and proserl money when it comes to spending in
51:45
Speaker 3: these primaries. But so far their brands are not so
51:50
Speaker 3: toxic I think they should be. But their brands are
51:52
Speaker 3: not so toxic that they have to hide where the
51:55
Speaker 3: money is coming from. So the Crypto packs will be
51:58
Speaker 3: Crypto packs, the AI I packs will be AI super PACs.
52:02
Speaker 7: And so even though they.
52:03
Speaker 3: Don't kind of run ads on the issue of crypto
52:08
Speaker 3: or on the issue of AI, they will do negative
52:11
Speaker 3: ads about, you know, whatever they think will destroy their opponent,
52:14
Speaker 3: or they'll do positive ads on whatever they think will
52:17
Speaker 3: uplift the person that they're supporting. They will stay at
52:20
Speaker 3: the bottom like who they are.
52:22
Speaker 7: And so the.
52:24
Speaker 3: Only super packs at this point that are that are
52:28
Speaker 3: hiding the source, the actual kind of issue area behind
52:32
Speaker 3: them at this point is a pack.
52:35
Speaker 7: They did this a bunch in.
52:37
Speaker 3: Illinois in those races that we covered there, and they
52:41
Speaker 3: did it again here. The three plus million dollars that
52:45
Speaker 3: they spent on behalf of all the Stanford that they
52:48
Speaker 3: continue to deny having spent makes up something like fifty
52:53
Speaker 3: percent of all the money that three fourteen Action spent
52:57
Speaker 3: across the country. Three fourteen actions they normally spend nothing
53:01
Speaker 3: and just endorse, or they'll spend ten thousand, or they'll
53:04
Speaker 3: spend maybe up to like one hundred thousand dollars.
53:06
Speaker 7: That's typically how they do it.
53:07
Speaker 3: The only time they've really ever come in and done
53:09
Speaker 3: millions is is when a pack is behind it. Now,
53:13
Speaker 3: you may remember that Alice Stanford completely fell apart, not
53:18
Speaker 3: because she was exposed for taking APAC money, but because
53:20
Speaker 3: she did this interview on a local Fox channel where
53:24
Speaker 3: she was asked, Okay, if you want to abolish Ice.
53:26
Speaker 7: Who then should do immigration enforcement?
53:30
Speaker 3: And let's roll that again because it precipitated one of
53:34
Speaker 3: the most incredible campaign implosions I think I've ever seen.
53:38
Speaker 15: You also said you're running to abolish Ice. This is
53:41
Speaker 15: something that we've heard other Democrats and activists talk about. Yeah,
53:46
Speaker 15: from an immigration enforcement perspective, who do you think should
53:51
Speaker 15: be in charge of enforcing immigration laws?
53:56
Speaker 16: That's a good question, and you can Paul's because I
54:00
Speaker 16: just want to think about it.
54:01
Speaker 15: Well, yeah, go ahead, we need to keep to continue though.
54:05
Speaker 16: Okay, who do I think should be in charge of
54:10
Speaker 16: enforcing immigration laws? Not the executive brand, so not the president,
54:17
Speaker 16: so it belongs with Congress. It belongs with Congress.
54:22
Speaker 3: After that, it was basically the end of the campaign
54:26
Speaker 3: for her. She stopped showing up for forums, she stopped campaigning,
54:30
Speaker 3: but there were still ads on TV for her, and
54:34
Speaker 3: Chris Rab's campaign started to worry that she might actually
54:38
Speaker 3: just straight up drop out of the race, because if
54:40
Speaker 3: she dropped out, then they were afraid all of her
54:42
Speaker 3: support would then or a lot of her support would
54:44
Speaker 3: go over to Sharif's Street, who was the son of
54:47
Speaker 3: a former mayor and a kind of well known, well
54:50
Speaker 3: known guy in Philadelphia.
54:51
Speaker 7: He had his own problems though.
54:53
Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty two, Sharif Street worked directly with
54:57
Speaker 3: Republicans in the state of Pennsylvania to reduce the number
55:01
Speaker 3: of Democratic seats in the state, but to draw himself
55:08
Speaker 3: a seat. So now the courts came in and blocked
55:11
Speaker 3: this from happening, but it was one of the most
55:14
Speaker 3: like kind of outrageous examples of selfishness where you're going
55:18
Speaker 3: against your party working with Republicans simply so that you
55:23
Speaker 3: can have a more comfortable seat, and so Working Families
55:27
Speaker 3: Party put almost one hundred thousand dollars behind ads attacking
55:30
Speaker 3: Shreef over that scandal as he started to rise, and
55:36
Speaker 3: the mail in voting among kind of which is elderly voters,
55:39
Speaker 3: more conservative types that had all a Stanford winning, you
55:44
Speaker 3: had to get your ballotst in I think by May twelfth.
55:47
Speaker 3: But because she imploded around that time and after, there
55:51
Speaker 3: wasn't enough time for Sharif's Street to come together, and
55:54
Speaker 3: the kind of establishment and APEC could never consolidate behind
55:58
Speaker 3: a single candidate, which allowed then Chris rab to win
56:02
Speaker 3: with less than fifty percent of the vote. At his
56:06
Speaker 3: campaign rally last night, his supporters were very confident about
56:13
Speaker 3: who they had defeated. Let's roll this if you can
56:27
Speaker 3: hear that chanting that was a PAC lost. Now, the
56:31
Speaker 3: other group that lost was Third Way. Third Way is
56:35
Speaker 3: this kind of corporate centrist democratic organization that decided over
56:41
Speaker 3: the last month to make Hassan Piker the biggest issue
56:45
Speaker 3: in Democratic Party politics. Hassan Piker came out to Philadelphia
56:51
Speaker 3: and campaigned with Chris Rabb. After that, AOC also endorsed
56:56
Speaker 3: him as well, let's roll a little bit of Hasan
57:00
Speaker 3: Piker at his rally in Philadelphia.
57:03
Speaker 17: But the Democrats, some of them, also love the very
57:05
Speaker 17: same things. They don't love you, they don't care about you,
57:09
Speaker 17: they don't care about your interests. And that's precisely the
57:12
Speaker 17: reason why letting your voice be heard in the primary
57:15
Speaker 17: system is almost as important, if not more important, because
57:20
Speaker 17: the Democratic Party's primary is what determines the trajectory of
57:25
Speaker 17: the Democratic Party. If you're angry because there's people like
57:29
Speaker 17: Joe Manshon, Jersten Cinema, people like John Fetterman.
57:35
Speaker 14: Don't say word.
57:37
Speaker 17: Not a lot of Fetterman fans in here.
57:40
Speaker 7: Oh he's no fan of mine either.
57:41
Speaker 17: He's always on Fox News.
57:43
Speaker 7: He happened.
57:43
Speaker 18: And I want you to understand, I identify as a
57:46
Speaker 18: Democratic Socialist, but I'm running as a Democrat because the
57:50
Speaker 18: system creates this narrowness. But there's a bunch of Democrats
57:56
Speaker 18: running and we are not all the same. We are
58:01
Speaker 18: very different. We may share this label in this moment,
58:04
Speaker 18: in this system, but we are very different. So if
58:10
Speaker 18: you choose to register as a Democrat, you are not
58:15
Speaker 18: pledging allegiance to that party. You are using your power
58:22
Speaker 18: in that moment to vote for the person who you
58:25
Speaker 18: believe reflects your interests, Your interests and the interests of
58:32
Speaker 18: the communities that you hold most deer, some of whose
58:36
Speaker 18: members cannot vote because they may be too young, or
58:42
Speaker 18: they may not be citizens, or they may be incarcerated.
58:46
Speaker 18: There are a number of people who will not vote
58:48
Speaker 18: for any number of reasons, so when you're voting, you're
58:52
Speaker 18: voting for them as well.
58:54
Speaker 3: So Third Way put the spotlight on this race by
58:57
Speaker 3: putting the spotlight on Hassan pipe Her. The result Chris
59:02
Speaker 3: rab with a resounding victory Soundpiker also then went out,
59:06
Speaker 3: much of the chagrin of Third Way and campaigned also.
59:09
Speaker 3: APAC campaigned with Abdul Elsida, the Senate candidate in Michigan.
59:13
Speaker 3: Outside was in third place when that started to happen.
59:17
Speaker 3: Outside is now in first place. So just a spectacular
59:21
Speaker 3: collapse on the part of both APAC and Third Way
59:24
Speaker 3: here