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Grand Jury Rejects Nolan Wells Claims, Death Ruled Drowning · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight, a Mississippi grand jury rejects claims by Nolan Wells' family. Repeat,
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  Speaker 1: Nolan Wells claims rejected. Nolan Wells' death ruled a drowning. Also,
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  Speaker 1: in this very extensive grand jury report that we have obtained,
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  Speaker 1: the four acquaintances on the boat are cleared. They are
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  Speaker 1: exonerated through GPS and witnesses. Also, we learn from a
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  Speaker 1: careful reading of this grand jury report, Nolan Wells has
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  Speaker 1: unexplained bruising on his back and his buttocks. And we
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  Speaker 1: learn that Mark on the back of his occipital was
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  Speaker 1: a bruise, an injury. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. He's
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  Speaker 1: not out in the water floating. He's on shore. I've
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  Speaker 1: never really seen bodies up on a shore.
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  Speaker 2: With the absence of waves, with the absence of a
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  Speaker 2: strong current, how in the world did this 19-year-old man
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  Speaker 2: end up on shore?
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  Speaker 1: Tonight, the official grand jury findings determine that the COD
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  Speaker 1: cause of death for Nolan Wells is drowning. I have
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  Speaker 1: reviewed the grand jury report in detail, as have all
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  Speaker 1: our experts tonight. The four acquaintances that were on the
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  Speaker 1: Triton boat have been exonerated by the grand jury. What
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  Speaker 1: happened to Nolan Wells? After reading this report... One thing
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  Speaker 1: is clear. Those four acquaintances did not have anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with Nolan's death. But the questions now swirling straight
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  Speaker 1: out to Joe Scott Morgan joining us. Joe Scott, I'll
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  Speaker 1: introduce you fully in a moment. But did you see
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  Speaker 1: where there is bruising on Nolan Wells' back and buttocks?
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  Speaker 1: That's his occipital. And interesting, I'm glad you showed that
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  Speaker 1: control room. Because they now formally refer to that. It's
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  Speaker 1: not blood sinking down, liver mortis, to the lowest part
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  Speaker 1: of his body. They refer to it as an injury.
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  Speaker 1: And that's on page four. They go on to state
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  Speaker 1: that Nolan, quote, slipped awkwardly off the side of the
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  Speaker 1: boat around 3.30 p.m. July 4th. but they can't say
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  Speaker 1: whether Wells hit his head. They do say that witnesses
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  Speaker 1: testify Wells continued to socialize after the fall and did
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  Speaker 1: not appear injured. Bruising, bruising on the back and the buttocks.
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  Speaker 1: What does this all mean? For instance, we find out
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  Speaker 1: Nolan Wells' neck was preserved. It's not missing. It was
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  Speaker 1: preserved by the original medical examiner and the family medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner got to look at it too. We're learning a lot.
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  Speaker 1: We learned that C2 call was faked. That was a
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  Speaker 1: big fake as we suspected, Joe Scott. But this is
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  Speaker 1: blowing my mind. Everything we're learning here, the one thing
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  Speaker 1: they made very clear is those acquaintances are in fact exonerated.
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  Speaker 1: that Nolan Wells apparently was still on the island when
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  Speaker 1: they left, or that Nolan Wells was not on their boat.
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  Speaker 1: We know that. But as to his cause of death,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true they're saying drowning by process of elimination?
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't make me feel very certain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a diagnosis of what we refer to a
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  Speaker 2: diagnosis of exclusion. That means that they have excluded all
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  Speaker 2: other possibilities at this point in time, and they have
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  Speaker 2: landed on drowning. And what that means is some of
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  Speaker 2: the things that we look for, heavy lungs, we look
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  Speaker 2: for water in the inner ear, these sorts of things
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to drowning. So they're kind of ticking
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  Speaker 2: the boxes here. They've gone through this idea of any
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  Speaker 2: kind of direct trauma, talking about the back of the head.
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  Speaker 2: They have said that that is not fatal in nature.
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  Speaker 2: There is an interesting little comment inside of this release, Nancy,
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  Speaker 2: where they're talking about this injury to the shoulder and
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  Speaker 2: to the buttock. They're saying that the medical examiner and
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  Speaker 2: the medical examiner hired by the family disagree on this point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not really clear as to what that means. This
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  Speaker 2: is not an official report from medical legal authorities. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the problem, and this is what's going to leave
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people asking questions. Yes, they have given
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  Speaker 2: us a cause of death, but guess what we ain't got?
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  Speaker 2: They haven't ruled the matter. They're calling it undetermined, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: There's only five choices, homicide, suicide, accidental. natural and undetermined.
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  Speaker 2: They have landed on undetermined in this case, as far
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  Speaker 2: as the manner goes.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on. Let's be clear about what you're saying. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: There's cause of death, such as strangulation, such as stab wound,
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  Speaker 1: gunshot wound, drowning. That's cause of death. Manner of death
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  Speaker 1: in this case would be, okay, we think he drowned
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  Speaker 1: because we've ruled everything else out. But they're not saying
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  Speaker 1: accidental drowning. How did he get in the water? Nobody's
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  Speaker 1: saying that. And I'm really disturbed by the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he's got bruises on his back and rear end. How
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  Speaker 1: did that happen? But, you know, let me go out
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  Speaker 1: to Eric Faddis. Eric Faddis, from the very beginning, has
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  Speaker 1: screamed along with others that the acquaintance is on that boat.
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  Speaker 1: There's no evidence to suggest they were involved in Nolan's death.
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  Speaker 1: And we're learning that tonight. Faddis, founder of Eric Faddis
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  Speaker 1: Law Offices, former felony prosecutor, criminal defense attorney now. I
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  Speaker 1: want to make that clear because at the beginning, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: none of us were set on naming a suspect. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to find the truth. And if they are exonerated,
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  Speaker 1: which this grand jury report says that they are, then
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  Speaker 1: let's move past them and figure out why Nolan Wells
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  Speaker 1: has bruises on his back and his rear end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it appears the grand jury investigation was
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  Speaker 3: rather thorough, Nancy. I mean, there were 132 subpoenas issued.
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  Speaker 3: They heard from 43 witnesses. There were 23 grand jurors
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  Speaker 3: who were evaluating this evidence over the course of months.
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  Speaker 3: So they're hearing from folks who were there, who have
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  Speaker 3: information about what happened. And apparently they, that that information
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  Speaker 3: led this grand jury to conclude that these friends were
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  Speaker 3: not engaged in misconduct or foul play, did not contribute
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  Speaker 3: to the death of Nolan Wells, or at least that
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  Speaker 3: that's how the report reads right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Eric, I find this grand jury report to be very,
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  Speaker 1: very thorough. They laid out all of the information that
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  Speaker 1: they reviewed. There were multiple witnesses. I mean, we know
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  Speaker 1: that they started with 25 grand jurors. Two were excused
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  Speaker 1: in ages ranging from 27 to 68. 13 men, 10 female,
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  Speaker 1: 12 white, 5 African American, 1 Asian, 2 Hispanic, 1
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  Speaker 1: Native American, and 1, quote, other. So they've got to
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  Speaker 1: go cross-section from the community. They looked at so many exhibits.
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  Speaker 1: They heard so many witnesses. And the clear takeaway is
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  Speaker 1: that the four acquaintances were cleared. But the COD and
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  Speaker 1: the MOD seem very vague to me. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, Joe Scott Morgan, we've got a COD cause
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  Speaker 1: of death drowning. But to me, it sounds like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what it is. So it must be drowning.
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  Speaker 1: They basically say, well, actually, they do say it's process
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  Speaker 1: of elimination. In other words, nobody shot him. Nobody stabbed him.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody hung him. Nobody tore him into bits and pieces.
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  Speaker 1: We can't find arsenic in his system. So it's got
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  Speaker 1: to be drowning. That's not very reassuring to me. That's
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  Speaker 1: not the grand jury's fault. That's the state of the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And it does leave us wanting, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: I think in this sense, one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: I am, um, very curious about is toxicology because they
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  Speaker 2: have stated that he had no cocaine in his system
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  Speaker 2: and that's been floating around forever now, you know, that,
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  Speaker 2: that perhaps that was there at that plate. And of
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  Speaker 2: course that's, that's turned out. And they've, I think that
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  Speaker 2: they actually say in the report that he has no
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  Speaker 2: history of cocaine abuse. One thing that I am very
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  Speaker 2: interested in.
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  Speaker 1: They say that he has never used cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: Never.
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  Speaker 4: Ever.
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  Speaker 1: They can tell that. It's very interesting because they say
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  Speaker 1: that they can tell he has never used cocaine, but
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  Speaker 1: then they go on to say that they can't make
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  Speaker 1: that type of determination based on bodily fluids that have
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  Speaker 1: been decomposed, but they could tell no cocaine ever in
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  Speaker 1: his life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super bizarre, I have to say, and there's
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  Speaker 2: any number of ways that we can glean toxicology, Nancy,
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  Speaker 2: even in the cases of advanced decomposition. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: this ain't advanced decomposition. He's not been down that long.
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  Speaker 2: So we turn to other things. We look at urine.
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  Speaker 2: We look at bile. We look at vitreous from the eyes,
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  Speaker 2: in addition to blood. And we can also look at
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  Speaker 2: the organs. We can literally spin down and liquefy the liver,
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  Speaker 2: for instance. A lot of people don't realize that and
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  Speaker 2: suss it out through that. But You know, this is
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  Speaker 2: done every day, all right? So they can tone that down.
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  Speaker 2: They can give you an idea or at least ballpark it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see page four? Yeah. Did you see page four?
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  Speaker 1: That's where they state that, quote, toxicology is not particularly
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  Speaker 1: informative as decomposition of fluid, that means taking a sample
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  Speaker 1: of your bodily tissues and fluids post-mortem after death, is
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  Speaker 1: an unreliable source for evaluating substance levels within a body. Whoa,
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  Speaker 1: because that's how we always get substance levels from a
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  Speaker 1: dead body.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you know somebody OD'd or somebody was
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  Speaker 1: 0.4 when they crashed.
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  Speaker 2: It's a disingenuous comment because, and here's why, and this
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  Speaker 2: is coming from a grand jury. This is not coming
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  Speaker 2: from a toxicologist or from the pathologist, okay? This is
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  Speaker 2: coming from a grand jury. What this is saying is
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  Speaker 2: that They're talking about drawing up decomposition fluids. Our bodies
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  Speaker 2: actually produce decomposition fluid as a result of a cellular breakdown.
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  Speaker 2: That's distinctly different than blood, urine, vitreous, and bile, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're right. Again, joining me in addition to Joseph
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University, and star
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  Speaker 1: of a YouTube hit, Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Susan Hendricks is joining us. She's been on the case
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  Speaker 1: from the very beginning, investigative journalist and author. of Down
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  Speaker 1: the Hill, My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Susan, especially on page four, raised the hair
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  Speaker 1: on the back of my neck when it refers to
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  Speaker 1: the injury on the back of his neck. Remember all along,
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  Speaker 1: various so-called experts would claim that the red mark on
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  Speaker 1: the back of the occipital bone, the back of the head,
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  Speaker 1: was just where fluid, bodily fluids, had collected, gathered as
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  Speaker 1: he laid there dead. But they're calling it an injury. Quote,
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  Speaker 1: the grand jury considered credible evidence concerning circumstances of how
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  Speaker 1: Wells sustained the injury to the back of his head.
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  Speaker 1: But the exact cause of the injury remains uncertain. Then
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  Speaker 1: they go into the part about the witness testifying. He, quote,
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  Speaker 1: slipped awkwardly off the side of the boat around 3.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: but continued to party on, and no one could say
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  Speaker 1: whether he struck his head. Okay, to Susan Hendricks, what
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  Speaker 1: does it say?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: It says that the injury now, they are making reference
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  Speaker 5: to that injury, but not saying if it can be fatal,
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  Speaker 5: if it was fatal or not, that red mark that
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  Speaker 5: we talk so much about. And now we're hearing that
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  Speaker 5: there's more questions than.
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  Speaker 1: Answers, Nancy.
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  Speaker 5: And they want the release, the NAACP does, the full
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  Speaker 5: release of this report. Make it public, they say. We
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  Speaker 5: want to know the full autopsy, the details. We want
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  Speaker 5: to hear everything, not just the highlights on what you say.
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  Speaker 5: And where is the witness that saw them slip? We
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  Speaker 5: haven't heard that. And now we all of a sudden
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  Speaker 5: have this witness.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about anyone ever getting the name wrong.
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  Speaker 1: As you can see, they're all redacted. There were 40-plus witnesses,
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of exhibits to Eric Faddis. That's why they call
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  Speaker 1: it a secret grand jury, because witnesses don't always want
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  Speaker 1: to be named publicly. If they were, they probably wouldn't testify.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen sort of this with the grand jury called
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  Speaker 3: public clamor and private malice against Nolan Wells' friends that
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  Speaker 3: the grand jury determined was unfounded. Further, they call it
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  Speaker 3: public attacks that are malicious and false. So that concern
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  Speaker 3: that folks could have some blowback for some kind of
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  Speaker 3: involvement in this investigation is very real. So I can
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  Speaker 3: understand the witnesses wanting to maintain their anonymity and not get,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people taking shots at them from the internet
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  Speaker 3: and what have you.
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  Speaker 1: If you look on page five, let me direct all
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  Speaker 1: of our guests to page five. Again, I want to
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  Speaker 1: stress that the acquaintances on the boat, the Triton boat,
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  Speaker 1: are cleared. They have been much attacked. And I understand
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  Speaker 1: why there were questions. They went with Nolan out to
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  Speaker 1: Horn Island. They came back without Nolan. They lived. He died.
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  Speaker 1: So naturally there were questions. But this has always been
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  Speaker 1: a search for the truth, not a vigilante mob trying
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  Speaker 1: to hang whoever's convenient. They have been exonerated. We need
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  Speaker 1: to move forward from hanging on to them and wanting
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  Speaker 1: to burn them over this and try to find out
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  Speaker 1: why Nolan's body was bruised. On page five, the grand
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  Speaker 1: jury states they find Wells chose to remain at Horn Island.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the acquaintance has said. After the Triton, the
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  Speaker 1: other boat, the Palm Beach, and the other boat, the Tideline, departed,
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to stay. Other individuals, including Nolan, stayed on
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  Speaker 1: the island to socialize. They state, no credible evidence supports
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  Speaker 1: allegations any person who rode to or from Horn Island
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  Speaker 1: on the Triton, Palm Beach, or Tideline engaged in criminal
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  Speaker 1: conduct related to the death of Nolan Wells. All these
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  Speaker 1: allegations are not based in truth. I keep saying this
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over because many people are hell-bent
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  Speaker 1: on hanging those four acquaintances. This is reality. Deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: They were not involved. But you know what's really odd?
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  Speaker 1: to Dr. John De La Torre, licensed psychologist. You can
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  Speaker 1: find him at resolutionsfcs.com. At the very end of this
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  Speaker 1: grand jury report, they state, by the way, there is
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  Speaker 1: no statute of limitation on homicide. What? Okay, so they're
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  Speaker 1: telling me, We're going to go with drowning. We're just
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  Speaker 1: going to go with it because we've eliminated everything else.
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  Speaker 1: He's bruised on his back and his rear end. That
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  Speaker 1: is a bruise on the back of his head. These
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  Speaker 1: four acquaintances did not have anything to do with it.
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  Speaker 1: And that has been proven to us as the grand jury.
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  Speaker 1: But as far as what happened to him, even though
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  Speaker 1: it's not them, it could very well be somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: Are you getting the same thing I'm getting?
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  Speaker 5: I am, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm seeing multiple different kinds of biases. Now, when
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  Speaker 6: I talk about biases as a psychologist, I'm talking about
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  Speaker 6: the different ways in which we think about what we see.
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  Speaker 6: What I'm seeing is attempts at subverting expectancy bias, right?
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  Speaker 6: You talked about this earlier that- Okay, I do not know.
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  Speaker 1: What in the world you just said.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: Expectancy bias, what?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Because- right? As you just said, four friends, right? Five
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  Speaker 6: friends went out, four friends came back, one didn't. People
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  Speaker 6: then expect that these four friends had something to do
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  Speaker 6: with the one friend dying, right? We expect a grand
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  Speaker 6: jury report to say, hey, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is what's happened.
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  Speaker 6: But there are more questions about what has happened. This
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  Speaker 6: report seems more interested in doing something different. So it's
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  Speaker 6: not doing what we expect it to do. And that's creating,
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  Speaker 6: that's going to create more problems and more people in
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  Speaker 6: TikTok court are going to want to have more answers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. Deletory, I'm glad you said that.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, that footage you're seeing is from the
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  Speaker 1: Officer Tatum show, the TikTok court. Okay. The TikTok court
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  Speaker 1: and others have been wanting to hang the four acquaintances
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  Speaker 1: since day one. And I get the initial reaction. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: They took him out there. They came back. He died.
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  Speaker 1: They lived. What gives, right? I investigated it too because
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  Speaker 1: that was your first assumption. But very quickly, one witness
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  Speaker 1: after the next says, oh no, they left. He was
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  Speaker 1: still on the island. Oh no, that CTO call has
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  Speaker 1: been faked. Now we find out on page five, it
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  Speaker 1: was faked. I don't know what lunatic would have laid
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  Speaker 1: that in there where you hear a fake dialogue between
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  Speaker 1: about Nolan being hurt, that was faked. That was, who
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  Speaker 1: did that? You know what? That's the least of my
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  Speaker 1: concerns tonight. Tonight, I want to know why he's covered
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  Speaker 1: in bruises. I get that the four acquaintances are cleared.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine with that.
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  Speaker 6: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Now can we move on to find out what really happened? So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Joe Scott Morgan, you have handled over 10,000
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  Speaker 1: death scene investigations. You can go into something thinking, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is what happened. Like, okay, let's just go with
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  Speaker 1: the husband did it. That's a good example. But then
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  Speaker 1: very quickly, you hear evidence to suggest the husband didn't
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  Speaker 1: do it. I don't understand the bias against the four acquaintances,
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  Speaker 1: why everyone is still stuck on them when clearly they're
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  Speaker 1: not involved. Why no one is interested in moving forward
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  Speaker 1: and finding out what really happened to Nolan. I've got
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  Speaker 1: a problem with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: you have a young man that's out here on this island,
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  Speaker 2: and according to the report of his own choosing, he
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  Speaker 2: stayed behind. What happened to him in that interim? Let's
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  Speaker 2: keep in mind there were a multitude of people that
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  Speaker 2: were out there at that location, and questions are going
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  Speaker 2: to remain for quite some time. Again, we come back
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  Speaker 2: and we land on this diagnosis of exclusion. We don't
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  Speaker 2: have anything else scientifically to hang our hat on. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of paraphrasing what what the grand jury is
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  Speaker 2: saying here. So our default position is, in fact, going
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  Speaker 2: to be drowning. You know, what would it have been, say,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, if they were in another location and he
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  Speaker 2: was found deceased? OK, that, you know, didn't wasn't surrounded
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  Speaker 2: by water. You know, what are you going to call it?
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  Speaker 2: And so that's going to be the default position. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that you're ever going to necessarily get
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: them off of that. And when I'm talking about the
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: authorities that have made the final ruling here, because that
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: is where they land here. I'm still curious, though, relative
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to those findings that we look to relative to drowning,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: what they see in the lungs, what did they see
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: in the inner ear? They've excluded, according to the ME
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: at the state, as well as the private medical examiner,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that there was anything of note in the neck. They
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: did retain it. And I said this early on, Nancy,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: this is standard operating procedure in the medical legal community
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to hang on to the organs of the neck, as
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: we refer to, or the structures of the neck, so
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that we can have those for future reference, particularly if
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: something goes to grand jury. Here we have this example.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: be able to demonstrate this, that there's no hemorrhaging strap muscles,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the hyoid is intact, all those things that we look for.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So that mystery, at least at this point, is solved. Again,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: we land on these bruises. Where did they come from?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: What was their nature? And how old were they?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And in another bombshell document, We have gotten the independent
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: medical examiner's report to Dave Mack. If you look toward
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the end of the report, quote, equally important, Nolan suffered
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: unwitnessed apparent acute blunt force injuries to the head and
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the body prior to death. There's so much that jumps
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: out at me, but that... Nolan suffered acute blunt force
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: injuries to the head and body? What?
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Shocking is exactly it, Nancy, because in this report that
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: was done on July the 10th, the doctor is saying, hey,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: these were not documented before now. We had the knock
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: on the back of the head. We knew there was
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: blood there. We knew there was something there. But what
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: we didn't know.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Well, there were actually two. There were two injuries. bruises
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to the back of the head too.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Correct. All right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: So we knew those, but what we didn't know was
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: that he suffered a significant bruise on the shoulder and
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: a significant bruise.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: On the buttocks.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: So we've got additional, you know, additional bruising on an
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: 18 year old man. This is not something that is
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: usually expected, Nancy, especially when we are just now hearing
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: about it now.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: We know there's no strangulation because there's no injury to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the hyoid bone, that very delicate bone in the front
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of your neck, kind of around your Adam's apple. We
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: learned that from the Wells Family Medical Examiner. We learned
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: two contusions on the back of Nolan's head. We get
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the tox report. He is 0.27. That can also be
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: influenced by your body creating alcohol during decomposition. But still,. 27,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: he was drinking. Okay, I still don't understand how he's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: got blows to the back of his head, his shoulder,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: his back, and his rear end. I also notice the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: two scalp contusions. And Dave Mack, this medical examiner says
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the investigation should remain open.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Because there's just not enough to go, there's not enough
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: to say that he actually drowned accidentally. Now, if you
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: can't say that Nolan Wells accidentally drowned Nancy, then you're
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: left with something intentionally willful happened to Nolan Wells. So
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: we can't close the book on this just because we
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: don't have accidental drowning. And we don't have that anywhere.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious about all the bruising and we're seeing,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: We're seeing it laid out in detail. The independent Nolan
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Wells family medical examiner says drowning was a diagnosis of exclusion,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that the circumstances surrounding Nolan's death are required to determine
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: manner of death. And this doctor cannot rule out death.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: non-accidental factors contributing to Nolan's death. What does that mean, Dave?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, again, Nancy, we're right back to where
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: we were, that if you can't say that this was accidental,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: then the only other alternative is that it happened to
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: him by someone else or something else had to have happened.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: There's not an accidental explanation that stands out that you
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: and I could say, oh, this is how it happened.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: We can't say that. And after all of the medical opinions,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: after everything they've looked at, and Nancy, this was mentioned
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: in the grand jury report as well, saying that they
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: could not find, it was an accidental event that took
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: the life of Nolan Wells.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: The only thing I really know tonight is that the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: acquaintances were not involved. Based on this new medical examiner's report,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: there's more bruising, and this medical examiner, Dr. Roger Walsh, A.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Mitchell Jr. noted several times that the bruises he found
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: were not documented in the state's medical examiner report. Those
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: bruises were not mentioned, Dave. That's disturbing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: That's very shocking, Nancy. When you actually say you've got
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: a doctor, by the way. highly skilled, highly respected doctor
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: did this exam for the family. And he says, I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: not seeing a record of these being mentioned before, but
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: here they are. That is, that's going to have to
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: be explained more in depth before we can move on.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Because if you've got two autopsies, one mentioning extensive bruising
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: from blunt force trauma and another not mentioning it, that's
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: a problem.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Eric Faddis is a veteran trial lawyer joining us out
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of Colorado. Did you notice that they issued the grand
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: jury 132 subpoenas and heard from 43 witnesses? That's a lot.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: That's a very comprehensive investigation. Look, this thing appears to
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: have taken months. And what's happening during those proceedings is
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: that these witnesses are being asked questions about what they saw,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: what they heard, what they believe. They're being asked questions
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: about Nolans. about his past if they know it. They're
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: being asked questions about these friends. And so our hope
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: is that they really left no stone unturned here. And
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: at least according to this report and everything that's detailed
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: therein in terms of what they reviewed, it appears rather diligent.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I want to direct your attention, Eric Faddis, to page two.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: You're seeing video from Officer Tatum's show. On page two, Eric,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and please feel free to look down if you need
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to look at it. Number one, it states that there
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was a 21-page report from Garrett Discovery, Inc. I call
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it the phone lab that examined for the Nolan Wells family.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: This was who they got to examine the phone. So
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: all this time we've been saying, where's the phone? Where's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the phone? It was being examined by Garrett Discovery, Inc.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And that is at the bottom of page two. The
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: grand jury received a 14-page report concerning Wells' cell phone
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: prepared by the family's own forensic examiner, Garrett Discovery, Inc.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: That was given to the district attorney back in August.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: But I want you to look at something else, Eric.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Same paragraph, page 2. Bottom paragraph. Bottom paragraph. Bottom paragraph.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the grand jury made written requests to Wells' family and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: their legal team to produce any evidence collected in their investigation.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: They advised their investigation, listen Eric, revealed no witnesses or
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: evidence whom the legal team reasonably believed possessed information germane
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to potential criminal activity that warrants referral to the grand
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: jury or the DA's office. Help me understand what I'm reading, Eric.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: It sounds like they asked Nolan Wells' family and legal team. Hey, guys,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: give me what you've got. We'll present it to the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: grand jury. And they presented no witnesses or evidence?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, rather curious to me, especially based on some of
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Ben Crump's prior public press statements about what they believe
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: could have happened in this case. And on top of that,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: it appears the grand jury went above and beyond here,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: because as you know, Nancy, often those proceedings are limited
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: to the prosecutor has the evidence they want to show
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: the grand jury and the grand jury makes a determination. Here,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: it appears that the alleged victim's family was invited to
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: participate in that process. And they're going to Ben Crump saying, hey,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: if you've got evidence, if you've got witnesses, if you've
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: got exhibits, let's see them. We want to evaluate those
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: to make sure we reach the right outcome. And it
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: sounds like, at least according to the report, that no
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: such evidence and information and witnesses were provided beyond what
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: is cited within that report.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Further, the Wells family did not request any, quote, additional document, recording, photograph,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: digital media, report, or other material in the legal team's
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: possession be submitted to the grand jury. So all of
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: these claims? I mean, Susan Hendricks, help me. All of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: these claims that they have made about what happened to Nolan,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: they did not submit any witnesses or evidence. I don't
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: think that's actually true because, to this extent, Susan, because
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: they did hand over the Garrett Discovery, Inc. phone data,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: which was a 14-page report, and it appears, and you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: can jump in in a sec, Joe Scott, that their
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: medical examiner not only spoke to the grand jury, he
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: reviewed the neck portion of Nolan's body, and it appears
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that he even went to Horn Island to investigate. But
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Susan Hendricks, we've been told and led to believe that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: something nefarious has happened to Nolan Wells. Well, when asked
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to present witnesses or evidence to support those claims, they
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: got nothing.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Well, I think this is a lot of distrust out
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: of the gate. Remember, Nancy, early on, it was disturbed.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: It was announced that no foul play and in accidentals.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: These things were announced very early on. So the family
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: automatically goes on the defensive. And so it wouldn't surprise
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: me if they didn't give anything that they have because
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: they just don't trust them. I think it's a distrust.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: And they say, no, we're not giving you all we have.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: You give us what you have. And that's what's still
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: going on.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Well, that could be right. And I agree at the get-go.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, day one, when you find no one's body,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you go, yeah, I'm still drowning.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Done.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That was a jump, a rush to a conclusion that
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: is critically important in this case. I get why the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: family was suspicious. But if a grand jury asked me, hey,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: what do you have to support your claims of something
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: nefarious happening to your son? I would give them what
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I've got. But that's just me. What we also are
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: learning is that, hey, Joe Scott, Let me go to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: you on this. If you would look on the bottom
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of page three, last paragraph, the Wells family medical examiner
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: testified and went to Horn Island to investigate on his own.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: It also states he examined Nolan's neck structure. What does
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this all mean to you?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, first off, uh, forensic pathologists will, in fact,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: go out to scenes periodically just so that they can
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: get a reference point. They can understand the physical environment
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in which an individual is passed on. And, you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: they want to understand, like, things like the relationship to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the shoreline, to the depth of the water, those sorts
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: of things. Now, in addition to that, when we're talking
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: about the neck structures, one of the things that we're
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: very interested in is it's not just the neck itself.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: It's not just the larynx. the voice box, these sorts
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: of things that we're looking at. We're also talking about
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: this complex of muscles that overlie this area. They're called
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the strap muscles. You're looking for areas of hemorrhage. Why
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: do we do that? Well, that's an indication that somebody
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: could have potentially been strangled. They could have been ligature strangled.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: They could have been manually strangled, all these sorts of things.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And apparently, based upon what he has seen, what this
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: independent forensic pathologist has seen, is that there is no
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: evidence of that. No evidence at least to say that
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: it was in fact a strangulation, some kind of trauma
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to the neck. And that, again, is why they retained
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the organs in the neck, Nancy.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So if there had been evidence of strangulation of any type,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: asphyxiation to the neck anyway, the independent medical examiner hired
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: by the Wills' family would have been able to see that, correct?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. They would have been able to see that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: They would have been able to pick up on this
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: pretty quickly.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he wasn't strangled. Yes. He wasn't strangled. Yes,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: that's correct. But I'm very hung up on his body
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: being bruised. That is not live or mortis. That is not.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: No.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: What I mean by that, okay, let's say, let's just
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: pretend again that I shoot Joe Scott dead and he's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: lying on his back. After a certain period of time, hour,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: two hours, all the blood in his body seeps down
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to the lowest point, right? Like when you hold a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: glass of water, the water is at the lowest point
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: because of gravity. That's not what this is. They're very
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: clear on page four. And then they launch from undetermined.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: The COD is undetermined. They talk about the injury to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the back of his head. We now know it is
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: an injury. It's not. blood settling. And you and I
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: have gone around and around about what could it be?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: They talk about an injury, quote, injury to the back
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of the neck. They talk about bruising on his back
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and rear end and a quote, awkward slip. I just,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: one thing I know, the four acquaintances were not part
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: of this. But what I don't know is what The
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: H-E-double-L happened to Nolan Wells. Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And we have to understand that in order to have
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: a contusion, a bruise, all right, there has to be
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: an area of impact. And you can call it blunt
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: force impact. We use that term a lot in a
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: variety of things, whether it's a homicide or motor vehicle
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: accident or a slip and fall. This is, according to
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the way they're framing it, a slip and fall where
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: they're making this connection. It's not us making this connection.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: They're alluding to this in this report that as he
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: fell over, that's an explanation for where this might have
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: arisen from. That also gives you an idea that how
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: shallow was this area adjacent to where he fell? Because
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: as you know, if you fall back into water, you're
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: not necessarily going to bruise yourself, right? So did he
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: impact in a really shallow area in this particular area?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Was he Was the boat actually beached at this point
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: in time where he impacts on the sand? Or how
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: shallow was it? Was it not consistent enough to cushion
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: his fall? Or had he fallen somewhere else? Because in
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: order to have a contusion pattern, Nancy, whether it's on
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the shoulder, the buttocks, the back of the head, wherever
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: it is, you have to have impact on impact here.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Or you have to have surface on impact in order
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: to generate that. What happens is that little field of
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: blood vessels in there burst as a result of that
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: impact and it generates that hemorrhage, it generates that bruise,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: you wind up with a contusion, Nancy.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I'm very hung up on those bruises on his back
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and his rear end. On page six, we learned the
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: feds are involved in this investigation. We also learned, quote,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: there was a thorough search of Horn Island July 5
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: in advance of the discovery of Nolan's body. The grand
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: jury is confident that had his body been on the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: island at that time, it would have been discovered. Which
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: leads me to wonder, Susan, where was it? If it's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: not on the island, I guess I'm left to assume
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it was in the water.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Exactly. I am too. And you've mentioned several times that
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: people are going back to the island to investigate. I
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: don't know what they're investigating there. To me, it seems
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: like just gratuitous trips to the island. The people are gone.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm hung up on is the amount of
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: people that were there that day. And they have one
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: witness who says he awkwardly slipped. Where is that person?
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: And no one else from those hundreds and hundreds of kids,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: young adults partying there. That was it. There's still a
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: lot of things missing.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: And the cause of death inconclusive still.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Dr. John De La Torre, I thought when we got
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the grand jury's report, everything would be made clear. The
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: only thing that I'm taking away from this is I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: do not think that 23 grand jurors got together from
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: all walks of life, men, women, old, young, black, white, Asian,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Native American, other I don't believe they all got together
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and said, hey, let's cover this thing up. I don't
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: think that happened. I don't think they had any reason
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to lie or to fabricate this finding. That's just too
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: much to believe. Plus the witnesses, plus all of law enforcement,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: plus all everybody at the coroner's office. No, there's not
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a big conspiracy. What I do know is that the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: acquaintances are cleared. That's my jumping off point. Because tonight,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to Nolan Wells. I still
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. That doesn't bother you?
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it absolutely bothers me. And I think in some
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: ways it also bothers the grand jury, right? Like you said,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: 23 people trying to cover up something, that doesn't pass
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: the smell test. But they also leave open this, you know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: there's no statute of limitations on murder. I think based
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: on what they were presented, it sounds like there wasn't
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: enough and 23 people all saw it that same way,
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: which suggests then that enough wasn't presented. But I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: there may have still been a question inside each of
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: these grand jury members. And by this time, by the
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: time they're getting this presentation, they had already been in panel.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: So they already had backgrounds in rendering a true bill.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: So I think ultimately what this report is trying to
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: say is that There's still more out there. There's still
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: people that either know something or have a piece of evidence.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Maybe they don't know that they have that piece of evidence.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's on their phone, a picture or something, video.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: That there's still a way in which we can get
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: these questions answered. That these four kids, right, these four guys,
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: they didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that something
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: didn't else happen. There could be something else that happened.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's nefarious. Maybe it's not.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Dr. Delatore, I'm going to read it verbatim. but you
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  Speaker 1: capsulized it so perfectly. Quote, last page of this grand
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  Speaker 1: jury finding, page 7 of 8. The grand jury acknowledges
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: there is no statute of limitation on homicide in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Mississippi. If credible evidence comes to light in
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the future that suggests Mr. Wills' death was non-accidental, this
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: matter should be represented to the Jackson County grand jury
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  Speaker 1: for further consideration. In other words, while the four acquaintances
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  Speaker 1: have been cleared, it ain't over yet. We still don't
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: know what happened to Nolan Wells. I know this. He's
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  Speaker 1: had a blow to the back of the head and
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  Speaker 1: his back and rear end are covered in bruises. So,
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  Speaker 1: if the four acquaintances had nothing to do with it,
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  Speaker 1: and I accept that, then who If anyone did, if
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you know or think you know anything regarding this case,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: there is a $ 125, 000 reward on the table. Dial 228-769-3063. Repeat, 228-769-3063.
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  Speaker 1: We remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Ann Marie Jackson said,
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  Speaker 1: Skagit County Sheriff's Washington, shot and killed in the line
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  Speaker 1: of duty after six years serving, leaving behind grieving parents.
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  Speaker 1: American hero, Deputy Sheriff Anne Marie Jackson. Thank you to
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  Speaker 1: our guests, but especially to you for being with us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off for tonight, but I'll see you
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friends.