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The Late Debate | 15 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Well girl the Late Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have your company.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and Jimmy Tonyini.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to you both hours your weekend.
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  Speaker 4: I turned fifty three. It was bloody great. Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Birthday, thank you, thank you. Not a day over fifty two?
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  Speaker 2: Right, did you do anything special?
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  Speaker 5: I had friends over and it was really it was
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  Speaker 5: really can I say really beautiful, really special bit of
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  Speaker 5: a housewarming thing as well. I've lived in Sydney four
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  Speaker 5: years now, so thank you for asking.
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  Speaker 1: It's very coat housewarming after four years.
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  Speaker 5: Well in terms of my own place, because as anyone
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  Speaker 5: who lives in Sydney knows, it's a little bit like
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  Speaker 5: the Hunger Games trying to find a place. So it
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  Speaker 5: was a long search, but we got there in the
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  Speaker 5: end we done.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Birthday, Jimma, thank you. It's your birthday on Friday, Ah, do.
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  Speaker 1: You tell the people that we actually know now that
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  Speaker 1: you've told them that means they have to watch the
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  Speaker 1: Bond Report five pm on Friday and then at eight
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  Speaker 1: pm Opinionated, which I will also be hosting for Danika
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  Speaker 1: di Giorgio. Because if you wouldn't do it in the
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  Speaker 1: other time. At least do it for my birthday.
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  Speaker 3: That was Deanika's birthday present to you. You get to host
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  Speaker 3: her show.
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  Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I do double the work on my birthday.
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  Speaker 1: What a great gift.
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  Speaker 3: There, you go, Birthdays all round. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 3: on the program tonight. Justinto Allen's main leadership rival looks
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  Speaker 3: her in the eye and promises not to challenge. How
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  Speaker 3: much comfort should that give the highly unpopular Victorian premiere.
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  Speaker 3: The illicit alcohol trade continues to grow in Victoria, while
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  Speaker 3: government departments fight one another over whose responsibility it is,
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  Speaker 3: and left wing tantrums triggered by the rise of One
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  Speaker 3: Nation are ramping up. One celebrity has already threatened to
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  Speaker 3: leave the country if Pauline Hansen becomes Prime Minister. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get to all of that shortly, but at first, to
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  Speaker 3: cull or not to cull, that's the question being asked
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  Speaker 3: across the country. In the wake of Saturday shark attack
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  Speaker 3: off Coulji Beach in Sydney, thirty five year old mother
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  Speaker 3: of one, Leah Stuart, remains in hospital, her arm having
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  Speaker 3: been amputated after miraculously surviving an attack by a Great
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  Speaker 3: white shark while swimming only meters offshore New South Wales.
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  Speaker 3: P I mean Chris Mins appears to have left open
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  Speaker 3: the possibility of a shark cull, depending of course on
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  Speaker 3: the kind of shark.
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  Speaker 6: When it comes to shark culling, the truth is that
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  Speaker 6: the great white shark is protected as protected as a
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  Speaker 6: result of Australia's treaty obligations at a national level, and
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  Speaker 6: we're not going to be contemplating at.
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  Speaker 1: A cull of the great white shark as.
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  Speaker 6: It relates to bull sharks in the harbor. That's a
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  Speaker 6: different story than not a protected species, and we're currently
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  Speaker 6: undertaking a head count it.
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  Speaker 3: A former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was less nuanced.
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  Speaker 7: I spread the latest news about a woman fighting for
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  Speaker 7: her life after a shark.
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  Speaker 1: Attack at Kutson Beach. It's so wrong that we don't
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  Speaker 1: cull sharks after attacks. It's so wrong that.
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  Speaker 7: We don't have a commercial shark fishery given the explosion
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  Speaker 7: in shark numbers, and it's so wrong that we don't
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  Speaker 7: put people before.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with Tony Abbott, we should definitely cull sharks.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I don't know why people have such an opposition
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  Speaker 1: to doing so. You know, if you don't have a
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  Speaker 1: problem with people fishing, you know, going and putting a
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  Speaker 1: rod in the harbor or anywhere else. If you're going
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  Speaker 1: to put it in the harbor, don't do it west
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  Speaker 1: of the Sydney Harbor Bridge, by the way. You might
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  Speaker 1: get some sort of poisoning of some description, probably not
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  Speaker 1: healthy for you. But you know, no one says, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: we should ban fishing because that's bad for the fishes.
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  Speaker 1: But the minute someone says, well, what if we kill
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  Speaker 1: a few sharks, Oh, we couldn't possibly do that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: turn them into fish and chips. What's the problem. I
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  Speaker 1: looked up because obviously this attack on the weekend was
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  Speaker 1: a great white, but the bull sharks, I looked up
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  Speaker 1: whether you can eat them? These videos online of people
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  Speaker 1: who've caught bull sharks and cooked them up and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So we can be perfectly productive with this sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Now I understand that we have all these rules international
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  Speaker 1: obligations that we can't kill great whites. Seriously, if someone else,
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  Speaker 1: if someone came and killed you, James, just as an example,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not wishing it upon you, but just saying we
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  Speaker 1: would do our darndest to track down that individual and
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  Speaker 1: meet her out some kind of punishment. Now, unfortunately, with
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  Speaker 1: a shark you can't really lock them up for twenty
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  Speaker 1: years and then hope they're reformed after that. There's only
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  Speaker 1: one answer, and of course, that is to kill them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care by what means you prevent shark attacks,
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  Speaker 1: but we should be using the full gamut of things
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  Speaker 1: available to us in order to do it. And that's drones,
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  Speaker 1: that's nets, that's smart drum lines, and it could even
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  Speaker 1: be culling. The only thing that matters to me is
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  Speaker 1: that people should be able to go for a swim safely.
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  Speaker 1: And let's not forget in this case, this woman was
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  Speaker 1: swimming between the flags, so she had done everything right,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't deliberately put herself in harm's way, and she
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  Speaker 1: was still attacked. We have the to be in the water.
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  Speaker 1: We are the apex predator by virtue of the way
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  Speaker 1: evolution has worked. And if that means a few sharks
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  Speaker 1: lose their lives along the way, well so be it.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think, Jemma, I don't know how I
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  Speaker 5: feel about a widespread cull, but I do believe in,
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  Speaker 5: for example, reintroducing a commercial fishery. I grew up in
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  Speaker 5: Western Australia, as both of you know, and I remember
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  Speaker 5: a very healthy shark commercial fishery back then. And when
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  Speaker 5: it stopped what happened the shark attacks started. I mean
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  Speaker 5: I grew up two streets from the beach. I don't
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  Speaker 5: remember a shark attack until I was an adult.
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  Speaker 4: The fishery had been.
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  Speaker 5: Stopped, the population had surged. We all know that someone
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  Speaker 5: was taken off rottenest I believe, just a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Ago, tragedy.
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  Speaker 5: We need to, as you said, Caleb, employ all of
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  Speaker 5: all of the measures available to us. But the other
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  Speaker 5: thing I'd like to propose to the premiere, for example,
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  Speaker 5: is how many people have been killed by Brumbies in
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  Speaker 5: the last ten years.
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  Speaker 4: None? No Brumby deaths.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 5: While old savage Brumby is running around the snowy mountains
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  Speaker 5: killing people, and yet this government is happy to oversee
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  Speaker 5: an absolutely barbaric aerial slaughter of these horses based on
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  Speaker 5: a viewpoint, let's call it a viewpoint, information that still
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  Speaker 5: remains unpeer reviewed.
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  Speaker 4: It's not independent.
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  Speaker 5: The data is questionable at best, and yet the government
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  Speaker 5: seems so happy to let loose such a barbaric slaughter
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  Speaker 5: on an animal that is very much an Australian icon.
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  Speaker 5: The Australian Brumbi is as famous as a kangaroo. It's
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  Speaker 5: as famous as the emu. I've ridden in the Tantaraga
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  Speaker 5: plane where some of this culing is taken past after
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  Speaker 5: the first cull, and the people who say no, it
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  Speaker 5: was humanly done, it is an absolute lie. I saw
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  Speaker 5: the carcasses myself. It's not pretty sorry to talk about
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  Speaker 5: it on air, but it's important for people to know.
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  Speaker 5: The thing is that terrible tragedy that happened at Kuji.
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  Speaker 5: It happened right before our eyes. Happening to the Brumbies
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  Speaker 5: in the snowy mountains is out of sight and therefore
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  Speaker 5: out of mind.
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  Speaker 4: It is barbaric. The reports coming out of the snow
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  Speaker 4: is after this second caul. It's terrible. It's terrible shame
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  Speaker 4: on this government.
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  Speaker 3: Well, with relation to Great Whites, we heard Chris Mins
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  Speaker 3: there talk about treaties, So Australia signed an international treaty
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  Speaker 3: where nations agree they'll do what they can to protect
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  Speaker 3: the Great Whites because it migrates through waters right around
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  Speaker 3: the world. But then we've got a domestic treaty where
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  Speaker 3: we have decided domestically we won't kill Great whites because
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  Speaker 3: of their numbers which were at one stage I think
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  Speaker 3: they were regarded as endangered. These days they're not regarded
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  Speaker 3: as endangered. So I don't know why Chris Mins wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: lobby to change a domestic agreement so that we could
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  Speaker 3: do that, because Number one, I think you want to
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  Speaker 3: keep the people safe. As you said, there's also the
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  Speaker 3: feeling of safety that when you go to the beach,
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  Speaker 3: even if the net won't completely protect you. Drones won't
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  Speaker 3: come completely protect you normal drum lines, nor will culling,
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  Speaker 3: but you want to at least feel like people have
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  Speaker 3: done whatever they can to keep you safe.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise you're not going to go into the water.
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  Speaker 3: And then we've got our tourism industry to think of
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  Speaker 3: Australia's famous for its beaches, but if we keep having
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  Speaker 3: shark attacks has been I think twenty five to this
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  Speaker 3: point this year, if you're visiting Australia, start to think
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  Speaker 3: twice about whether you go in the water at Bondi
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  Speaker 3: or at Kuldji or at bell Moral. And so that's
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  Speaker 3: an important factor I think for governments to consider well.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, and shark attacks have increased. If you go back
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirty years, I think the average was about nine
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  Speaker 1: and a half shark attacks a year, and it is now,
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  Speaker 1: as you say, well into the twenties somewhere up around
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  Speaker 1: between twenty three and twenty five shark attacks a year.
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  Speaker 1: So over the last few decades we have seen a
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  Speaker 1: market increase more than a doubling in the number of
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  Speaker 1: average shark attacks each year. And we have to ask
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  Speaker 1: the question why is this happening and what are we
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  Speaker 1: doing to prevent it? Because we're told, well, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing everything possible. The nets or the nets are cruel,
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  Speaker 1: Apparently we've got to get rid of the nets, etcetera.
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  Speaker 1: But what we are doing at the moment is not working.
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  Speaker 1: And for some reason people seem to be immovable about
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  Speaker 1: the idea of a cull Well, anything that can be tried, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we might do some culling and find out that it
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  Speaker 1: will make absolutely no difference, but let's at least give
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  Speaker 1: it a go and see what happens. And as you say,
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  Speaker 1: what's wrong with having commercial shark thiery, it goes off
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  Speaker 1: to the fish and chip chop. Your bart's delicious carbon.
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  Speaker 5: In batter and it's controlled and one would assume, because
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  Speaker 5: we're in Australia, highly regulated, so it wouldn't be like
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  Speaker 5: some sort of free for all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Well, sharks are circling the Victorian.
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  Speaker 5: Premire very smoothly done, James just sing to Alan not
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  Speaker 5: having a very good time of it. Very little sympathy
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  Speaker 5: from me for the embattled Victorian Premiere. She is, of
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  Speaker 5: course in the state that is the home of the AFL,
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  Speaker 5: and we're all very familiar with those circumstances when a
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  Speaker 5: coach might be under pressure and they look to the
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  Speaker 5: cameras and they say no, no, I have the full
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  Speaker 5: support of the board and I have the full support
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  Speaker 5: of the club, and the next minute they are gone.
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  Speaker 5: They are in the rear view mirror. Well, today Deputy
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  Speaker 5: Premiere Ben Carroll had a very awkward exchange in relation
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  Speaker 5: to that, telling the Premiere that he was not going
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  Speaker 5: after her job, even saying oh good, look her in
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  Speaker 5: the eye and promise that have a look at this.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's quite something.
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  Speaker 1: To try to beat the premier's job tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: No, are you going to ask.
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  Speaker 6: Her to step aside?
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  Speaker 1: No? Can you look her in the eye and say back,
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  Speaker 1: I can.
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  Speaker 8: Look you in the eye.
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  Speaker 4: Say that, premier, I mean, what else is he going
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  Speaker 4: to do? What else is he going to do? No,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to look her in the eye.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just going to awkwardly have a little side eye.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Caleb, the woman has a negative thirty fIF
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  Speaker 5: seven percent approval rating. Victoria is broke, the state is
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  Speaker 5: a failed state.
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  Speaker 4: What does she think she's going to achieve by doubling down?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's all she can do, isn't it?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What else is she going to do?
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  Speaker 4: You could graciously exit stage.
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  Speaker 1: Left now, But who would do that? Because that would
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: be an admission of fault, right, And you're you're that
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  Speaker 1: far into it. I can understand why his premiere. I
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: said the same about SICKI astarma. And you know you're
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: in the job. If they want to get rid of you,
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: they can come and get rid of you. Right. Why
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: would you put your hand up and say, actually, I
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: don't want the job anymore, because well, who cares about
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the party. I'm the one in the job,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe that I'm in the job because I'm
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: the right person to do the job. And so of
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  Speaker 1: course you're going to back yourself in. But they are
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  Speaker 1: in such a pickle, right and to watch, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was so awkward. It yes, I can, I can
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  Speaker 1: look you in the eye and it's like you can
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: imagine he probably had his fingers, you know, behind his
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  Speaker 1: back like this. I didn't actually mean it to Premier
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: for goodness sake, that was so bad.
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  Speaker 3: The amazing thing is not that Ben Carroll could look
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  Speaker 3: just into Alan in the eye. The miracle to me
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  Speaker 3: is that just into Ellan can look anyone in the eye.
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  Speaker 2: She's done to Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: Have look at the polls the primary vote in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: You've got the Coalition on thirty percent down three one
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  Speaker 3: nation making up ground there up at twenty three percent.
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  Speaker 3: What was that the last election? There was something like
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  Speaker 3: they were not even one percent at the last election.
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  Speaker 3: One nation in Victoria now Labor a twenty one percent
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  Speaker 3: down sixteen percent with the two party preferred vote Labor
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  Speaker 3: forty five, Coalition fifty five.
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  Speaker 2: And then Gemma.
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  Speaker 3: When you look at the popularity of Sinker Elan, it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty ugly too, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: It really is.
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  Speaker 5: And I think to your point earlier Kalable like of
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  Speaker 5: course she's going to stay in from my perspective where
• 12:38
  Speaker 5: Secre Starmar is concerned, and even where the Prime Minister
• 12:41
  Speaker 5: Anthony Albanese is concerned, slightly different obviously, but by.
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  Speaker 4: All means stay there. You're doing a great job. What
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  Speaker 4: you're doing right now, keep doing that, You're a peach.
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  Speaker 5: But in terms of Victoria, the end is inevitable one
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  Speaker 5: way or another. Which is the most undignified way hanging
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  Speaker 5: in there and being led to the gallows or saying
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: I have to resign for personal reasons, nudge nudge, wink wink.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: But what if she were replaced by, say Ben Carroll,
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: and that were enough to get them to scrape back
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: in at the next election, Well that would be I'd
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: much prefer that just Cinta Allen remained premier until November myself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to see her face.
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  Speaker 3: I hope she should go all the way, but for
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: Ben Carroll, right, so all the way with Ja Ben Carroll,
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: whether Justinta Allen resigns now or whether she goes right
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  Speaker 3: through to the election after November twenty eight, Ben Carroll
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  Speaker 3: will be the leader of the opposition in Victoria right right,
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  Speaker 3: probably and probably just Allen will be out of Parliament
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  Speaker 3: altogether probably, so I think for Ben Carroll he's probably
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: maybe secretly hoping he doesn't need to tap her on
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  Speaker 3: the shoulder. That way he can get through to the election.
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  Speaker 3: Then he can wash his hands of Justin to Allen
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  Speaker 3: and all of that history and stuff the clean slate.
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  Speaker 4: Well, entirely possible.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not familiar with his seat and what Marginie holds
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  Speaker 5: it by, whether it's safe or and so, But depending
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  Speaker 5: on the blood bath, he may well also be singing
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  Speaker 5: for his supper on the corner.
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  Speaker 4: Who's to know?
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  Speaker 8: Well, within you, like all of them, will be posts
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  Speaker 8: on their houses caleber.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Well, he may well need a drink after all of
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: this business, right, I mean, I'll tell you having to
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: look the premiere in the eye and lie directly to
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  Speaker 1: her face, right, you know, go on, James, So.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: I've got to ask you about that, right, So what
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  Speaker 3: position does that brilliant job by the journalist because he
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: may well have to tap her on the shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but he.
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  Speaker 3: Can't possibly now after that cold was that way he
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: played a nauseum he's a politician.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, you're right, it will become part of the campaign, right,
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  Speaker 1: But the bloke probably needed to go and have a
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: stiff drink after that, because my god, can you imagine
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: having to do that? It would be bloody awful. And
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: if you're in Victoria as he is, you're probably able
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: to get your hands on cheap grok. Now, it may
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: will kill you after you've drunk it, because who knows
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: what's in this stuff. But we saw recently there were
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: people going around from advocacy groups and the Herald's son
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: assessing the bottle shops in Victoria. They found that a
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: third of bottle shops in Victoria and now selling illicit grog.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: It's exactly the same equation as the illicit tobacco. Because
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: the tax on alcohol, particularly spirits, is so high, people
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: are now bootlegging all sorts of gear and selling it
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: tax free under the counter in bottle shops. I mean,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: if you could pay twenty dollars for a bottle of vodka,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you versus minimum forty dollars. I don't think
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: you can even get a forty dollars bottle of vodka anymore.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Pretty rough if you do, and I'd hate to think
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: how rough the twenty dollars stuffs. But this is a
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  Speaker 1: growing problem in of course, the People's Socialist Republic of Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: So the Herald Son decided to make some inquiries about
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  Speaker 1: who's actually meant to be doing something about this, given
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  Speaker 1: that it's already in a third of bottle shops in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: And what they found was, well, no one really knows.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very strange system whereby apparently the testing of
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: these products is down to local councils. And you can
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: imagine local councils are absolutely sending people around to bottle
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: shops to try and find slide rogs. They can take
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: it away and test it and find out what's in it.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: That's always going to work. But how's this? This is
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: quoting from the Herald Sun. His inquiries to both Liquor
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Control Victoria and police. Victorian Police reveal neither organization is
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: willing to take responsibility for removing illicit products from retailers.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Liquor Control said it was the role of law enforcement
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: to remove products off shelves. When asked to respond to
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: this claim, Victoria Police said it was Liquor Control's job
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: to lead a multi agency response to remove the products.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: How is this possible? You've got three different levels here,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: local council, the liquor licensing people, and the police all
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: pointing at each other, going, well, it's your job. Now,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: it's your job. No, it's margin No, actually it's your job.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: How are they possibly going to get on top of
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: this stuff when they can't even work out whose job
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: it is to stop it happening in the first blood.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: There's a fourth layer to this as well, because the
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Health Department, who the council said it's their job to
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: test to determine whether it's kosher or not. The Health
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: department said, we do test foods, but we don't test liquor.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: So there's actually the police, the council, the liquor Control agency,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: and the Health Department all at logheads, which just goes
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: to show the more bureaucracy you have, the less responsibility
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: anybody has because everybody just points fingers. And meanwhile there's
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: a vacuum which has been ably filled by organized crime.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: I'm listening to this trying to be shocked, but I
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: can't be shocked because it's Victoria. This is the state
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: that had the machete ban, amnesty, and how much remind
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: me I'm much the bins with three hundred thousand dollars
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: a bin and they didn't have quite the right length
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: of them to let the machete blades go through. I mean,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: this is a failed state. Like I said before, and
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: the you know saying to you before, I've become that
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: person that comes back from Judy Free when I get
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: to come go and see my family in Italy and
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: I'm picking up booze and Judy free.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Because the tax in this country is out of this world.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I'm not surprised that the illicit market has flourished. I
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: am sort of resigned to the fact that these peanuts.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: You know, the biggest public sector per capita in the
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: world is Australia's I read the other day, and yet
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: they're all, as you said, going, no, no, it's not
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: my job, it's their job. No, it's hang on, it's
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: their job, it's their job. What is wrong with this place?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: So when are we going to realize that high taxes
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: lead to these problems? We've seen it like the abs
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: last week or the week before, you know, they found
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that now eighty percent of the cigarette market is illicit. Exactly,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the nicotine consumption in this country has gone up forty
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: percent since twenty seventeen, when the population has only gone
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: up by fourteen percent. So clearly the availability of the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: cheap stuff is encouraging people to take up smoking. We have,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: when it comes to alcohol, the third highest beer tax
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: in the world. I'm not sure how we compare on spirits,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: but it would have to be one of the highest
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: in the world. You go and buy a bottle of
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Bundy rum, sixty five percent of that is tax. You
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: go and buy a slab of beer on average, about
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: fifty bucks twenty dollars of that is tax. Like all
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: we do is just pay tax after tax after text
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: out the tax, and at some point people go, well,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I don't want to pay the tax anymore. And if
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: an organized crime gang is willing to sell you a
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: product much cheaper than you would otherwise pay, you can
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: hardly blame people for tipping into it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Is sorry you go no, no.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: You go ahead, Oh thank you.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Such a chivalry, if such a It's such an odd proposition,
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: isn't it, Because we do have we know that the
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: dangers of drinking too much alcohol.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: But it's almost like these systems are.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Designed for, you know, thinking that everybody's an alcoholic and
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: waiting again. My family is from Italy, some of those
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Blue zone nations in the.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Mediterranean, for example, they live to one hundred and ten
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: on a glass every day.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: They have a glass of red at lunch, they have
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: a glass of red at night, and they have goat
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: eight o'clock at the bar in the morning.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Now, I just feel.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Like this, this taxation regime, part of it is a
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: socialist grab the other part of his own. We have
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: to stop people from having a drink. We have to
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: sap the joy out of every part of life.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I think you've just convinced Caleb to marry an Italian.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I can recommend Italian women, Caleb.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I'm well aware I have dabbled.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I think the lifestyle would sit in to it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Described food, the wine, I'm actually I'm going to buy
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a bottle of wild turkey on my way home to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that because I've run out. But there's fifty five dollars
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: they're going to pay for a bottle of wine. Right,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And like a couple of years ago, I reckon or
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: not a couple, but let's say five years ago you
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: would have been able to pick up a bottle of bourbon.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: While do you've given for what forty five and that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: it's fifty five and that's all tax. That's fundamentally that
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: is tax that he's doing it. It's just insane.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: The problem they've got in Victoria is if you've got
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: regulation but you have no enforcement, the whole thing is
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: just theater. Yep, and everybody knows it. And that's the problem.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Speaking of theater, let's talk about Chris Bowen's renewable energy plan,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: because that's an amazing stage show. Back in twenty twenty three,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Chris Bowen announced what he calls the the Capacity Investment Scheme,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: which is designed to encourage investment in renewable projects. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the way the government wants to encourage the private sector
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to invest in renewables is they have promised to underwrite
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: any losses that these projects make, that of course, being
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the taxpayer underwriting those losses. Now, back in twenty twenty three,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the government promised this would unlock seventy three billion dollars
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: worth of investment over about ninety four different projects that
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: would produce forty gigawatts of power. So great announcement, Labor's
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: very good at announcements. Here we are three years later
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: and Jim I'm going to get you to guess. You
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: can use one hand, show me how many fingers do
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you reckon would represent projects completed or funded rather to
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: this point.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: Which he can I use that finger one project day
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: now ninety four one has been funded to this point.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: It's a wind farm which has produced exactly zero point
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: one percent of the energy they're hoping to produce by
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty in order to meet their targets. This is
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: just another example of a government that is great on announcement,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: terrible at delivery, a government that has this ideological view
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: of energy supply, but it fails at every point to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: meet reality. And while this is in the news, how
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: badly they're failing. Chris Bowen, the Energy Minister, is in
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Germany right now talking to other countries about how they
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: can get on board with the renewable revolution and transform
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: their energy grids. I sure hope they don't look at
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: what's happening in Australia because they will not be inspired.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Well. One of the leading causes of global warming now
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and the greenhouse affectes the hot air that comes out
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of Indeed, a climate minister's mouths basically, it's just ridiculous
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: this scheme. They expanded it by twenty five percent last year,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: so having achieved one project out of the whole thing
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: August last year, I believe it was the federal government
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: actually thought this thing is so great that we're going
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to make it even bigger. Let's expand it by a quarter.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: What are we getting for it?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that, but they do a special announcement
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: to announce that it had been expanded, because that would
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: make sense to me.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: They needed an announcement about it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just insane, and we are meant to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: believe that this energy transition is actually going to happen
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: as we are told it will happen. It ain't happening.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And meanwhile we're looking at our power bills going Jesus,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what is going on there? None of this is actually
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: going to work as we're told it will. I mean,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: remember how much of the targets, the Climate Target's energy
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: targets in particular, that part of the Climate target was
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: predicated in Labour's election platform, and I think it was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: eighty three percent of new vehicles being electric by twenty
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: thirty or something. We are nowhere near that. So all
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of these targets are absolutely bunkom and we're spending over
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: time in order to try to achieve them when we
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: know we never will. Anyone in the energy sector will
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: tell you we ain't hitting these targets, So why can't
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: we just admit that it's not going to happen and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: scrap the targets and say, look, we may well move
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: to renewable energy in a manner that makes economic sense,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: because of course we should be doing anything in the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: energy sector that makes economic sense for the country. But
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: these targets are unworkable, they're impossible, they're costing its money
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: forget about it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: And they're also not connected to any tangible benefit.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: There's these sort of pie in the sky numbers that
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: reflect it's almost like trying to be the cool kid
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: at school. They're doing it, so we need to do
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: it again. My father's family comes from a part of
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: the world that if the heating fails, you die in winter.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: It's not just a plaything. It's not just an ideological
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: flight of fancy like it is in this country. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: we all know how the rest of Europe is turning
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: back towards nuclear, back towards fossil fuels. We all know
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: the German experiment failed terribly when it comes to energy policy,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: and I think one of the most for me, one
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: of the things that is so offensive about this government's
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: energy policy, apart from the fact that it's built on
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: a house of cards.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Is that they're so.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: You know, opportunistic around the things that they're prepared to sacrifice,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: prepared to sacrifice waves and swathes of farmland to put
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: renewables in, and you know, affecting our ability to produce
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: food stuffs. Like I don't mind having renewables on any
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: part of built form. Stick it on rooftops in the cities,
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: that's fine.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: We should probably be grateful, to be honest, that only
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: one of these projects has gotten up, because, as I said,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the government has guaranteed with your money to meet any
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: shortfalls in revenue, which means no one has a clue
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: what this may cost or how long it may continue. So,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: by God's grace, only one of their projects has gotten up.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: We should probably be thankful for it, Jemma. We should.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: And I can tell you something else I'm thankful for
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: from a purely entertainment perspective is the ongoing juggernaut of
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Paulin Nations one hand, Paulineations, one hands, have I it's
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Monday night.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Haven't helped me by Friday?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Everyone, It's called early onset dementia. It's normally normally doesn't
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: happen until after it's a hangover from your bou.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I'm a teetotal source of but
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: that's what fifty three does to you people.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson's one Nation.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Of course, she's come out with a new ad with
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: some of the money that's in her kiddy, which I'll
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: get to in a minute, but let's have a look
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: at the ad first up, always.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Been a man of my word, or we have no
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: plans to change negative gearing, or we've changed our position.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I stepped back one step.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't fall off the stage. See reception was incredibly
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: positive and not a single person Heckle reducing power prices
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: That's a thoughout life.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: My word is my bond.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: That is fantastic TV. It is fantastic editorial, advertorial, whatever
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: you want to call it. And Am reminded James of
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: a proverb that says something along the lines of by
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: our words we are endorsed and by our words we
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: are condemned. That is the Prime Minister in his own words,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: my word is my bond mate.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Nobody believes here and that's the beauty of it, isn't it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Ryan Hanson's ad does not feature Pauline Hanson. She doesn't
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: have to say a word. She just gives thirty seconds
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: for the PM to speak during the state of origin game.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Ah later this week?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Is it Wednesday's day and't watching because you'll be watching
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: scar News exactly.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: That ad perfectly put together, and it begs the question,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: maybe slightly off topic, but why do the Liberals not
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: put that ad together?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Well, what have they been doing?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: You've got Pauline Hanson with what a staff of two
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: plus a couple of others helping out, and she's managed
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: to produce that off the back of a fundraiser what
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: launched three days ago. It begs the question, where's the
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: opposition or is one nation now pretty much the de
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: facto opposition?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Well, the entire political playbook is essentially been blown up
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: in the past week. I mean, this is the kind
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: of thing that you would typically see come election campaign time.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: But the election campaign is on in earnest yes, I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: mean One Nations just shot the starting gun and said
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: we're off to the races because they're obviously looking at
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: their polling and the success that they've had with this
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Fire the Liar campaign and saying, well, the momentum is there,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: we have to run with the momentum. I mean when
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: they started that campaign last week, as Ashby said on
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: radio last week and again this evening talking to Peter Credlin.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You know he saw it on Peter Credlin. Someone texted
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: her and said use Fire the Liar and Ashby picked
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it up and ran with it. And now they've made
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: four point two million dollars is the latest count more
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: than four point two on that fundraiser. I mean, this
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: has never been done in Australian political history before. No
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: major party has managed to raise that much money out
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of everyday Australian. Sure they get big donations from unions
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and corporates and wealthy people, but they've no party's ever
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: done this before. It has changed so much.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: But compare like Fire the Liar, right, what's the other slogan?
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: If the vote sprays, labor stays and if labor stays
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: you pay seriously, Taylor came up with.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I am weak in the presence of so much talent here.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: But going back to what you both said about the
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: fracturing of the political system, I.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Think it's good. I honestly think it's good.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: There are a lot of people having connections, particularly about
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: oh my god, the Liberal Party this. I'm not as
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: wound up about that because I think that there are
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: I always thought that for the Liberal Party it was
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: a question of how long they were prepared to sit
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: in their own pain before they actually woke up and
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: did something about it. And I know we've had discussions
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: on this program last week about Angus Taylor's approval rating.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: I don't even think that's a thing at the moment.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I think that's a you know's come into this broken unit,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: trying to unify it, trying to turn it around, all
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: of that kind of thing. I think the trajectory is
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: in the right direction. The majority of the electorate is
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: saying to the political left, to the far left, we
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: don't want this.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: We don't want this.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Not a policy level, but on a the country that
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: we knew has fallen away.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: And we want it back.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Can I ash your question always because I think some
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: people would hear what you've just said. You said, Angus
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Taylor's coming to this broken unit, right, But what if
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I was to reply, You're kidding me.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor has been part of.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: This broken unit right for a decade, right, And I
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: think that's why a lot of people struggle to give
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: him any grace, because they say, you were there the
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: whole time, You were a part and parcel of the
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: failure of the Liberal Party.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: That's absolutely fair. Was he the leader?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: No?
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Was he the person wielding the most power. I don't
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: believe so. And there are others closer to the mechanics
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: of it than I am.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: But my understanding is no.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: We saw a disastrous ten months with Susan Lee where
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: everybody had to tiptoe around her, just in my view,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: just because she was a woman and everyone wanted, myself included,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: I wanted her to be successful as a woman, as
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: a woman leader of the Liberal Party. She was an
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: abject failure. As someone said to me the other day,
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: tell me one thing she said or did in the
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: ten months she was leading the party.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Couldn't good welcome the country?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Oh she's so.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Bad and obviously that the Dutton led disastrous campaigns. You
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: can't hold Angus Taylor singularly responsible, right And look, there's
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: a lot of conversation that could and has been had
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: around that the same grace and room that was given
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: to Susan Lee should surely be given to him.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: So people are turning to one nation because of all
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of this, But one person is not turning to one nation,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and that is a celebrity chief.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: What happened in the budget and what happened to business
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: owners and people have made investments and you know a
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: lot of that's just been thrown out the window. But
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: you know, it doesn't mean we have to turn into
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: what the rest of the world's turned into. Oh, the
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: entire time she's been in politics, I've been sad. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: wouldn't I think so? But if she is I won't
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: be living in Australia.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: That is, if she becomes Prime minister. He's going to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: leave the country. You know his restaurant, Margaret in Double
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Bay and Sydney. I've had wonderful meals there, loved the place.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Why do you have to start wading into politics? Like
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: what's wrong with just being a great chef with great restaurants.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: And also, mate, who cares if you want to leave
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: the country? Who cares you will to leave the country?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Go on?
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I dare you out of all the people who said
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: oh with Donald Trump, I think Ellen DeGeneres left to
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: the UK and her house flooded as she went back, like, honestly, mate,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: you know you want to leave the country.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Leave, don't expect us to cry.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen was told that this bloke was going to
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: leave the country. She becomes PM and she said, Neil, who.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Well, next time Pauline's in town, maybe I should take
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: her to Margaret. We're sure we can have a meal
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: there in Neil Perry's restaurant. Now, I'm sure you saw
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: some of the footage overnight from the UFC at the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: White House. Now, look, it's not really my bag. I'm
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: not into these combat sports, but the President is, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: plenty of other people in the United States are. By
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the look of this scenes, particularly this scene. Have a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: look at this flying into the crowd. I mean, have
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you seen anything more American than that? And the rendition
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of the national anthem that revved them up to and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: all of this on the President's eightieth birthday and what
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a birthday? Not a patch on whatever you did on the.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Week I had, I had that and more.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: But what a way to celebrate your eightieth birthday.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump said that Joe Biden gave old age a
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: bad name, which I think is a pretty fair comment.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm with you Donald Trump's birthday party. I mean,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: he's the only eighty year old celebrating a birthday party
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: that My sons had their mates over today and they
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: spent all day in the lounge room watching that event,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: loving every second of it. And one of the comments
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: is one of my son's mates, he said, I said.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: What do you think of it?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: He goes, Americans really love their country, don't they. Now, Well,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that's not everyone's cup of tea. These young boys watching
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: the program today, that's what they got through the TV.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: They love America. I think it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Should be our cup of teas one for another day.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Obviously I won't get into it. But what's wrong with
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: loving your country? I ask you, Caleb Bond, nothing correct, nothing, just.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Not ufc Oh.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Look, I said, well, you know it's not my thing.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: We would celebrate our country through cricket, is what we know.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: James wouldn't we?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I guess we would.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: You know they had seven fights in that UFC event.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Do you know how many of them men did in
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: a lockout?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: None?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: All at seven or seven?
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, there we go.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you are not a bad event. Were to go
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to a break? Will we come back?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Criticism of the government's housing policy from the government appointed
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: housing Za plus Donald Trump declares a truce with Iran.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: So who actually is the winner? We'll get to all
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: of that when we look at the papers after this break.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Just before we look at
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: tomorrow's headlines, we've got viewers messaging in.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Their birthdays this week as well.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: So Robin Michaelson and his son have their birthday the
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: day before yours, Caleb eighteen, Happy birthday, the gens birthday.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: You don't know what was going on nine months before
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: June eighteen and nine, but something.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Forty Grand Finals September. Ah the You go and ask
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: me how I know that?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: The well, of course, because so that is that the story.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: My last time.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: My brother and I unfortunately both unders stand which football
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Grand finals inspired our entry onto planet Earth.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Who was the winning team?
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: It was?
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: It was foot way like local footy. I think one
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: of us was waffle, yeah, of course, but ate like
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: not not waffle.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Waffle levelthough my late father did play for West Perth.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: But my I believe one of us was Wannaoo something
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: or rather, and the other one was Bayswater something.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It was not.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: It's not a sort of fairy tale steeped in in lamar.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I like that next thing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: You can see it's very earthy.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, was it in the back of a holding time.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: My mother sometimes watches this show.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I think we really need to get to Tomorrow's Australian.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, look, you know, if nothing if not probing on
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: this program, it says I run truce but PM as
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: peace offering to voters, Anthony Albinizi is considering new cost
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of living relief measures and extending the two point five
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: billion dollar fuel excise cut beyond June amid voter frustration
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: following the budget as a column worn against ongoing stimulatory spending.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Following an initial peace deal between the US and Iran,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Trump on Monday confirmed expectations that a formal agreement with
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Iran would be struck at an historic meeting in Geneva
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: later this week. The US president vowed to win the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: war and let the oil flow toll free through the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: strait of horror moves. And then it goes on to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: talk about the UFC event that we talked about as well.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, is it a deal? Is
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: it not a deal? When is a deal not a deal? Look?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Who know?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Until the thing's actually inked and it is in practice,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you can possibly say about it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Because how many times I think it was last week
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: they calculated it was thirty eight times or something. Trump
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: had said that there would be a deal and there
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't a deal. This is the closest we have been.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: But what does it look like in practicality? Pieces of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: papers one thing, reality is another.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that this is a deal.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: This is an agreement to let ships flow, let Iran
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: get their hands on money, and they'll talk about things
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: over the next month. And do you really think the
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Iranians are going to sit down and agree to give
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: up there in riches uranium.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: They would have done that by now correct.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: And I don't think there is any rational reason to
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: trust the Iranian regime.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: There is no rational reason to trust them.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: And you look at the Arab states that during the
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: course of this war have seen the full psychopathy of
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: the Iranian regime in terms of them you know, bombing,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: droning all of their their Arab neighbors. And they've edged
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: closer to Israel and formed alliance's strategic defense alliances with
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Israel because they've seen the full full force of their
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: madness on display.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: You can't trust a thing.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: And obviously the diaspora and the Iranians that we can
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: hear from, they're desperate for regime change. I just I
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: step back and scratch my head and watch for the
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: next installment.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Frankly PM considering more cost of living issues as well.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh god, where will at the end? I thought,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you know, government's been was part of the inflation problem.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: By the way, I owe you an apology, Gemma, at
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: your age, it would have been at Kingswood, not a commodore.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Another story on the front my tender age Taylor on
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: the front of the.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Oars housing adds to supply concern. Labour's housings are Susan
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Lloyd Hurwitz has told the Parliament that Jim Chalmers tax
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: tax changes sorry are designed to redistribute wealth and not
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: so much increased supply shock horror as Supporters of the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: alban Easy government's budget questioned the proposed and minimum thirty
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: percent rate on capital gains. Ms Lloyd Hurwitz's comments, which
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: doubled down on Treasury Secretary Jenny Wilkinson's view last month
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that the tax changes were more about redistribution than supply,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: came as the Prime Minister talked up the proposals as
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: boosting housing supply and getting the tax settings right in
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: a way the experts have called for for decades. Have
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: they now made. But despite former Productivity Commission chair and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: chief executive Michael and along with Economissa lease Like backing
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Labour's move of an inflation indexed model of taxing capital games,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: both said that the thirty percent minimum tax rate shouldn't appay.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to find anyone who seems to
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: be in support of this package in totality. Some people
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: support little bits of it and say, oh, yeah, I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: don't mind that or what. But no one's looking at
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: this anywhere and saying, yeah, that's actually the best plan
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: for the job.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: No one's looking at it and saying this is great
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: for our country. No, not one person.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: No, it is completely friendless. Let's go to the front
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: page of the Daily Telegraph. They've got a really lovely
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: photo of the mother who was attacked by the shark
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: on Saturday off Kulji Beach.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: The headline reads, Pray for Leah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: A devoted mother attacked by a great white shark at
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Kujie on Saturday. Has had her arm amputated in a
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: series of surgeries on severe and life threatening injuries all
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: over her body. Teacher Leah Stuart's family are shocked and
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: devastated by the attack, but think the brave strangers who
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: saved her, and so indeed, I think everybody is praying
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and believing that she'll make a full recovery, albeit that
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: she won't be ever the same having had her arm amputated.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Her child is one year old, so thank god she
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: survived that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: We've been absolutely disastrous had that poor baby been left
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: without a mum. It doesn't but yeah, all of New
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: South Wales and indeed the country praying that she makes
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: a full recovery.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: We're looking at the towns for bulletin now and this
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: story on the front page. We see Bishop Slam's MP's
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: call to work with one nation. Heaven's no, I don't
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: mind a good headline great work by the subs there.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: One of Australia's most senior.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Catholics, Bishop Timothy Harris, has issued a stunning rebuke to
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: local MP Philip Thompson, warning the Liberal Party that embracing
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Pauline Hansen's populist agenda is dangerous and the full story
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: is unfolding in the subsequent pages.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: And I have a problem with this.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: And you know, my faith is not particularly interesting, I
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: don't think, but it's never been a secret. And I
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: have a very have a big problem with church leaders,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: faith leaders who start to instruct people how to vote,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: what parties.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: To stand with, or to align with.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I mean the church I went to for nearly twenty
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: years in Perth. I don't think my pastor ever mentioned
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: politics from his pulpit. Even during the same sex marriage debate.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: He never once politicized his pulpit. And I say to this, respectfully,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: to Bishop Thomas, stick out of it. We don't want,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: we want a separation of church and state in this country.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: The minute that you don't, you have the road leads
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: to a theocracy, which the extreme version of that is iran.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're looking at me with blinking oys Kala,
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: are you disagreeing with me?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Please feel free by the way.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just blinking because I suppose I have to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: do that to keep my eyes liberally. This is true, James.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've been a pastor.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Why Look, my concern for the Bush would be he's
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: just alienated thirty percent of Townsville attending his church at
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: a Sunday having called Pauling Hanson and One Nation dangerous
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: by implication, anyone who agrees with her policy is also dangerous.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with him weighing on politics.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: I think did you ever mask was? Did you ever
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: when you were pastoringh Absolutely.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty hard not to talk about politics.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: If you're going to talk about world views, inevitably, inevitably
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: they collide. What I think you've got to be careful
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: of is not being partisan right and here I think
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: that's the mistake. Here he said One Nation is a
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: dangerous political party. I wonder how many times he's spoken
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: about the Greens.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Great question.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So that's my two cents on that.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I also ask you if we can bring that front
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: page back. You've lived in Townsville, right, love Townsville, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: on the front there you see the gondola flight. Is
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: that what Townsville's like, James? Or do you reckon that's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: what Townsville could look like?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: No, I think someone is someone's drinking late at night.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: All right on the front of the Herald Son tomorrow
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: sad story. My hero son didn't die in Vain. The
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: mother of murdered policeman Vadam hot Art has spoken of
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the desolation left by Dessy Freeman's deadly rampage, but said
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: her hero son didn't die in Vain. Senior Constable Dewart
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: hot Art and colleague Neil Thompson was shot dead while
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: raiding Freeman's poor Punker property last year, and you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: you feel for the family in that case. You know,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: bloke went to work just to do his job and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: turned up dead. And we should always remember the sacrifice
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: and the work that our coppers and frontline workers put
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: in every day, potentially in great danger, to look after
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the rest of the community.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, all right, we're going to go to
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: a break when we come back. Caleb is our dope
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: of the day.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Is your ripper? No, God is He'll have it now
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: a little earlier in the program, Jemmy, you made a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: bit of a faux.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Pa about Pauline Hanson and One Nation, but it wasn't anywhere.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: You're as bad as what happened on the BBC this week.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: This is spectacular. I can hold my head up high.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: A guest on the BBC sent social media into a
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: frenzy after sharing a piece of unfiltered and that's a
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: gentle way of describing it. Advice from legendary artist David Hockney,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: How a look at this?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: What advice did he give to you?
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I mean the same thing. Really. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: mean he just said to enjoy and paintment you love and.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, just everyone cool.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Sorry, apologies.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: For that.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. It's like she forgot she was on
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: live TV. I mean, it's not sorry. She is like
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: my worst nightmare. To be frank, after thirty years in
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: and around media, I've never done that. Touch would.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: But the funny thing about that is she dropped the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: F bomb, and every time you watch it, it's kind
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: of endearing it because of her innocent reaction.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I have come close. You may remember the night I
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: sort of got halfway through saying when I realized what
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I was doing and I had to stop myself. But
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: it's amazing, you know, doing this job, because I normally
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: swear like a trooper, you do, but somehow, when I
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: sit in this chair for the most part, it stops.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know what little switch changes in my brain,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: but it does.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: The amazing thing about that is the advice she was given, right,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: was just if everybody, well, clearly she's not taking the
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: advice because.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: She's so.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Fair. Look on life suddenly disappears when you go to
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the abs.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, I got to show you some amazing footage.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: An eight year old girl in Cooper Pete was sent
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: outside by a mum to bring in the washing, which
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I presume included some jumpers because as she's bringing in
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: the washing, chake out what happens there? The girl goes
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: out the door she's going to the washing and a
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: kangaroo comes fly through, knocking her to the ground. Like
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I said, she was not expecting that when she went
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: to get the jumpers.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Wish do we know if she's okay because that's quite
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: the hip and shoulder.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure if we've got the extended footage here,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: but she gets she screams mum comes out, checks on
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: her and she's fine.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you know I wouldn't want to have a fight
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: with a ruey, and I know someone else you probably
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to have a fight with. He is our
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: entry today in two.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: Time of the day.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: We have for you and man who is thirty seven
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: years old and has taken leave of his senses. Apparently
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: all of this is alleged, I tell you, But over
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the weekend in Adelaide, he decided to overtake some police
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: allegedly at one hundred and thirty kilometers an hour in
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: an eighty zone. And if that was not bad enough,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: when the coppers then pulled him over, he then allegedly
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: decided to do a burnout in front of them. And
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: so then when they finally decided to do a breath
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: test on him, came back at point one two. I mean,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: like way to make things worse for yourself. At some
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: point you not go, Okay, I'm in enough of it here.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe I won't do the burnout.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: No, you think I'm in this defens become a legend.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for. We'll see it tomorrow night.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Stick around coming up is the read a Penney Show,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: good Night,