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Bonus Episode: The Punk-Rock Dock Ellis, Canseco the Troll, and "a Gorilla in a Zoo" · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland
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Speaker 1: bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the
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Speaker 1: after party. This is the show after the show, the
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Speaker 1: one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard
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Speaker 1: to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about this week's brand new full episode on
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Speaker 1: jose Canseco, the sources that we used which helped us
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Speaker 1: uncover many wild stories that we weren't able to fit
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Speaker 1: the actual episode. We're talking about Doc Ellis is no hitter.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about athletes that could have been rock stars,
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Speaker 1: and of course we've got your voicemails and texts and
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Speaker 1: as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, just goes,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. Jose Canseco was more like a
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Speaker 1: superhero cartoon character to me growing up that he was
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Speaker 1: a baseball player. We didn't know it then, but we
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Speaker 1: know now that he was the avatar for steroid abuse
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Speaker 1: in the MLB, and that, of course is mightily disgraceful,
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Speaker 1: but selfishly speaking from where I sit now. From here,
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Speaker 1: Jose Cantaco's antics, which we detail in this week's full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgrace and gave us one of the greatest
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Speaker 1: characters in sports history. So for that, I'm thankful. I'm
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Speaker 1: thankful for the steroids. But with Jose, you got the steroids,
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Speaker 1: the body, the looks madonna, baseball's bouncing off of his
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Speaker 1: head in the outfield, forty homers, forty stolen bases, all
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Speaker 1: in the same season, and then you got all the
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Speaker 1: public relations drama ratting out other ballplayers. If you wrote
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Speaker 1: about the character Jose can Teco in the screenplay, you'd
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Speaker 1: likely never sell it because it's all just too unbelievable,
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Speaker 1: And there are many, many, many unbelievable characters in stories
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Speaker 1: from baseball's history and just sports history in general. I
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Speaker 1: was thinking about the Jose this week, of course, and
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Speaker 1: that got me into a wormhole on strange and dark
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Speaker 1: stories from baseball history, and I came upon the story
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Speaker 1: a story i'd heard, I'd heard before mentioned. I'd never
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Speaker 1: really read about it, something that had come up at
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Speaker 1: parties before, way before my time. But I'd heard mention
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Speaker 1: of this story before. The story of Doc Ellis from
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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates who threw a no hitter fifty four
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Speaker 1: years ago just happens to be fifty four years ago
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Speaker 1: this week, on June twelfth, nineteen sev Now, lots of
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Speaker 1: pictures have thrown no hitters, but Doc Ellis threw his
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Speaker 1: no hitter in nineteen seventy while tripping his brains out
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Speaker 1: on LSD. I'm sorry, it just sounds funny coming out
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Speaker 1: of my mouth. As the story goes, Doc was hanging
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Speaker 1: out with a friend in Los Angeles while the Pirates
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Speaker 1: were in Southern California to take on the Padres in
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Speaker 1: San Diego. So Doc wakes up in his friend's apartment
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Speaker 1: after a day of tripping on LSD, and he found
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Speaker 1: the stash, and he decided to drop another hit. Now
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Speaker 1: this is before he realized, apparently that he was that
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Speaker 1: day's starter for the Pittsburgh Pirates versus the San Diego Padres.
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Speaker 1: So he drops the acid unwittingly knowing that he's pitching
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Speaker 1: that day. But then he finds out, I guess, and
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Speaker 1: he high tails it down to San Diego. He barely
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Speaker 1: makes it in time to the game. I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 1: it's a miracle that he even made it to the
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Speaker 1: stadium while tripping. You know, it's just it's impossible to
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Speaker 1: do anything. Anyway, he made it, and he made his
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Speaker 1: way into the starting lineup on the mound for the Pirates.
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Speaker 1: And that day his pitching was erratic but effective. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he walked eight through nine innings. Ok he walked eight batters,
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Speaker 1: he struck out six. He dodged balls that were put
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Speaker 1: into play that were nowhere near him. He claims that
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Speaker 1: he saw Jimmy Hendrick step into the batter's box wielding
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Speaker 1: a stratocaster for a bat and that he struck him out.
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Speaker 1: Doc hit a batter, but he did not give up
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Speaker 1: a hit remarkably. After all this, of course, doc ellis
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Speaker 1: possibly more famous for going on a year later to
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Speaker 1: win the World Series with the Pirates in nineteen seventy one.
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Speaker 1: He then retired in the early eighties, and he told
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Speaker 1: this story about pitching the no hitter on acid. This
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Speaker 1: remarkable story, of course, Doc has his detractors, those who
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Speaker 1: claim that he's full of shit, that this never happened,
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Speaker 1: that he made it all up. But if you listen
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Speaker 1: to Doc's depiction of how he felt that day on
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Speaker 1: the mound, and if you yourself have ever taken LSD,
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Speaker 1: you can't help but come away from his story with
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Speaker 1: a feeling of familiality and a belief that Doc's story
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Speaker 1: is true. I'm all for keeping baseball and sports in general,
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Speaker 1: just keeping it pure, keeping a level playing field. You know,
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Speaker 1: long before Doc Ellis and his LSD and Jose Canseco
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Speaker 1: and his steroids, drugs and or illicit substances, They've always
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Speaker 1: been part of the game and as such have given
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Speaker 1: us great stories. Now, Doc and Jose being of course,
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Speaker 1: exhibits A and B. Jose was a punk in a
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Speaker 1: lot of ways, like I said before, and like I
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Speaker 1: mentioned in the full episode, the ratting out of other players.
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Speaker 1: It's this brutal, you know. And Doc, on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: was punk rock. He was righteous, He was a true
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Speaker 1: rack on tour, you know, before punk Rock even existed.
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Speaker 1: He challenged the powers that be in baseball in the
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Speaker 1: best possible way, calling out the league for its then
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Speaker 1: systemic racism, refusing to conform as a player. Doc was
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Speaker 1: pretty punk rock, okay, again before we even had a
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Speaker 1: name for it, before punk existed, and he was definitely,
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Speaker 1: in his way a rock star. And it got me
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Speaker 1: thinking this obvious question, and I love this question, and
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Speaker 1: again it's it's an obvious thing to ask, but what
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Speaker 1: athletes would have made the best rock stars? What athletes
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Speaker 1: had that rock star vibe or have it can be
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Speaker 1: a current athlete as well. I can be any jock
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Speaker 1: from any era, Doc Ellis, Dennis Rodman, Patrick Mahomes, Deon Sanders,
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Speaker 1: of course, I mean Michael Jordan. Come on. I heard
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Speaker 1: someone in our Patreon chat today I asked this question
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Speaker 1: and someone remarked that Peyton and Eli Manning are the
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Speaker 1: Eddie and Alex van Halen of football, which I think
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Speaker 1: is a stretch, but I can kind of if I
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Speaker 1: bend my brain just right, I can kind of see
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Speaker 1: what they mean. But I want to know what you
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Speaker 1: guys think. Which athletes, let me know, six one seven
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Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight, which athletes do
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Speaker 1: you think could have been rock stars? Or just which
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Speaker 1: athletes embodied that or embody that rock star vibe? Six
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Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight voicemail
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Speaker 1: and text I'll be back in a flash. So part
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Speaker 1: of the doc Ellis story that I uncovered today is
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Speaker 1: the story of how he gave back after he left baseball.
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Speaker 1: Doc Ellis was an addict, and he went through recovery
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Speaker 1: after retiring, and he started his second career as a
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Speaker 1: drug counselor with a focus on helping prisoners get clean.
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Speaker 1: I found the story to be super comforting, to be inspiring.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have heard me talking
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Speaker 1: about this lately, but it's something that's really occupying my brain.
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Speaker 1: I find myself seeking out these charitable stories of goodwill
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Speaker 1: when I'm in these dark story or coming out of
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Speaker 1: these dark story wormholes from listening to disgrace slam. More
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Speaker 1: often than not we hit a note of redemption and
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Speaker 1: the conclusion of our stories, but we seldom go deep
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Speaker 1: into the acts of grace demonstrated by these subjects, instead
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Speaker 1: of course focusing on the disgrace, but on my own
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Speaker 1: late at night, with the glow of the monitor, the
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Speaker 1: phone giving me a headache sort of, you know, just
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Speaker 1: fucking wrapped in the darkness of researching or writing another
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Speaker 1: episode about a disgraced figure from the dark side of entertainment.
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Speaker 1: I find myself, like I said, seeking these stories of
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Speaker 1: grace out. It's a salve, it's a cleanse. It's a
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Speaker 1: reminder that there is a lot of good in the world,
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Speaker 1: and the good goes unrecognized, the good goes unmentioned more
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Speaker 1: often than not. And I do believe, even though the
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Speaker 1: bad is being shouted at us by the loudest voices
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Speaker 1: in the room, I do truly believe that the good
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Speaker 1: outweighs the bad in this world. And when it came
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Speaker 1: to Doc Ellis, I was happy that I didn't even
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Speaker 1: have to dig too deep to find to find that good.
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Speaker 1: He's a fascinating guy and I encourage you to check
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Speaker 1: him out. Pretty sure I'll be doing an episode on
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Speaker 1: Doc at some point. Story is just too damn good now.
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Speaker 1: As for other stories beyond baseball, last week, we dealt
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Speaker 1: with the story of Tom Ripley in our first meeting
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Speaker 1: of the Disgraceland book Club. Okay, this thing's sprung up
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Speaker 1: on our Patreon chat and we all jumped on a
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Speaker 1: zoom last week and we had a great conversation about
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Speaker 1: Patricia high Smith and her novel, The Talented Mister Ripley.
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Speaker 1: We obviously got into the film with Jude Law and
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Speaker 1: Matt Damon, and we even talked about the Netflix series Ripley.
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Speaker 1: We're kind of in the Ripley universe. Great stories, great
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Speaker 1: stories there. I had a lot of fun doing this, guys,
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Speaker 1: if you're listening, thanks again. It was a blast to
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Speaker 1: get to get to meet some of you guys, even
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Speaker 1: though virtually get to get to put a face to
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Speaker 1: the name, face to the avatar that I see on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: and then see you guys in the community chat. Like
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Speaker 1: I said on Patreon, just great to connect. We have
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Speaker 1: a second book club. We're gonna do it in July.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a day picked out yet, but we'll
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Speaker 1: well zero in on that date in the next couple
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Speaker 1: of days if you want to get ahead. The book
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Speaker 1: that we're reading is Tell No. One by Harlan Coben.
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Speaker 1: That is a fantastic page turner. It is the definition
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Speaker 1: of a page turner. You're gonna want to read this book.
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Speaker 1: If you have read the book already, read it again.
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Speaker 1: It's worth it. It's that good. It's that fucking good.
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Speaker 1: Trust me, you know you've read it. Anyways, will be
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Speaker 1: Anaska date for the second meeting of the Disgrace lad
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Speaker 1: Book Club very shortly. All right, this week, we of
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Speaker 1: course launched this episode on Jose Canseco. Let's talk about
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Speaker 1: the sources that we use for this episode. Articles, newspaper articles,
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Speaker 1: magazine articles, so many articles, lots of sports writing. Fascinating figure.
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Speaker 1: Lots of people wanted to write Jose Canseco. This is
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Speaker 1: the late nineteen eighties, early nineteen nineties, and Jose was
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Speaker 1: a fixture in the news. Now, if you're not old
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Speaker 1: enough to remember firsthand, this is the age of the
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Speaker 1: baseball player as an undeniable cultural icon. It's sad that
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Speaker 1: it's not that way anymore, but just trust me, that's
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Speaker 1: what it was like. Not that we hadn't had iconic
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Speaker 1: baseball players in the past. Before the eighties. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we did Babe Ruth, Jodomaggio, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, the
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Speaker 1: list goes on, Willie Mays, Reggie Jackson. But in the
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Speaker 1: eighties and the nineties you had Bo Jackson. Okay, who
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Speaker 1: was in these ubiquitous Nike commercials that were awesome. Bob
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Speaker 1: Jackson and Bo Diddley. I mean, come on. You had
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Speaker 1: Mark Maguire, you had Sammy Sosa, you had Jose Canseco. Again,
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Speaker 1: these sort of like superhero characters, guys who are mashing
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Speaker 1: taters like we've never seen before. These guys turned baseball
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Speaker 1: into such a spectacle that people who didn't even like
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Speaker 1: baseball were watching baseball. Okay, it was like a reality
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Speaker 1: show before reality shows. Audiences tuned in to see who
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Speaker 1: would take the lead in the home run race every night.
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Speaker 1: It was awesome. It was awesome. The players did this
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Speaker 1: largely though, with the help of steroids, which is not awesome,
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Speaker 1: but we didn't know it at the time, so you
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Speaker 1: can't blame us, right Anyways, go listen to our Jose
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Speaker 1: Can Seco episode. You're gonna hear more about that the
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Speaker 1: steroid era, specifically Jose's relationship with steroids. And my point
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Speaker 1: here is that and Seco, for one, was incredible fodder
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Speaker 1: for newspapers and magazines, and not just because he was
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Speaker 1: a great player, but because also because he had this
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Speaker 1: sort of thing going on with Madonna. Uh later got
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Speaker 1: trolled by fans and this amazing incident that I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to rehash here, but it's in the episode You
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Speaker 1: got to check it out. He was unapologetic about his
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Speaker 1: steroid use, which you know, I go both ways on
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Speaker 1: It's a very complicated issue here with Jose. But Jose Canseco,
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Speaker 1: you know, he was in, as they say, the show,
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Speaker 1: and Jose himself also was the show in a lot
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Speaker 1: of ways. That's I guess the point I'm trying to make.
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Speaker 1: So we didn't have to go far to find great articles,
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Speaker 1: great sports writing on Jose Canseco. Sports Illustrated there's a
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Speaker 1: great article titled The Summer of His Discontent written by
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Speaker 1: longtime Boston journalist Peter Gammon's great baseball writer. Boston journalist
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Speaker 1: doesn't do Peter credit. He's he's like the one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest baseball writers of all time. Pretty sure he's
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Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's definitely in the
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Speaker 1: Hall of it where he should be if he's not. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: you get an up close and personal look at how
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Speaker 1: Jose felt, in his words, as a gorilla in a
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Speaker 1: zoo with all the fans and haters, mainly in the
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Speaker 1: cops who are clocking as every move. I mean, Jose
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Speaker 1: got into a lot of trouble. As you're going to
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Speaker 1: hear in this art in this episode. Excuse me now,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to books, Jose Canseco did write a
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Speaker 1: book or he got some help writing a book called Juiced,
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Speaker 1: Wild Times, Rampant Roods, Smash Hits and how Baseball got big,
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Speaker 1: keyword there big. We approached this cautiously. This book. We
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Speaker 1: did not take it all as gospel because while was
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Speaker 1: written by an unreliable narrator, Jose Canseco. But the whole
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Speaker 1: story about what happened ins that Madonna's place that came
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Speaker 1: directly from Jose and not in the book. In an
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Speaker 1: online interview, you got to take some of this stuff,
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Speaker 1: like I said, with a grain of salt, compare it
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Speaker 1: and contrast it with what's been written out there by
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Speaker 1: other reputable authors and publications. But what do you think
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Speaker 1: was Jose Canseco a rock star? You know who was
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Speaker 1: from that era? Bo Jackson? Definitely rockstar. Like I said before,
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Speaker 1: Dion Sanders six one seven nine oh six six six
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Speaker 1: three eight, doesn't have to just be baseball guys, Give
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Speaker 1: me a call, leave me a voicemail, send me a text,
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Speaker 1: Let me know who you think, which athletes you think best?
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Speaker 1: Embody that rock star vibe? Who could have been rock
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Speaker 1: stars had they been given a different set of talents.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm leaning into this. Deon Sanders take
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Speaker 1: that's an obvious one. But bo Jackson was just a
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Speaker 1: phenomena when he came out. He was phenomenon. Excuse me
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Speaker 1: when he came out unlike anyone else. And I think, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think Jose as dopey as he was, and for
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Speaker 1: all the blunders he made, uh, he was in his
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Speaker 1: way a rockstar. Six one seven, nine oh six, six
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Speaker 1: six three eight. Let me know what you think. You
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Speaker 1: can send me a text at that number, or you
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Speaker 1: can leave me a voicemail, just like Barry in the
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Speaker 1: nine oh four.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Jake Barry from the nineho four, I really appreciate
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Speaker 3: take a episode, man. Gives me a chance to saw
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Speaker 3: some baseball. Do this real quick. So the steroids are
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Speaker 3: for bulking up, true, But also when you're going through
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Speaker 3: the grind of one hundred and sixty two game season,
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Speaker 3: including the playoffs, you don't have time to hit the
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Speaker 3: gym every day. You don't have time or the ability
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Speaker 3: to recover as quickly from your workouts and stay big
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Speaker 3: like that. So that's what the steroids did for the guys,
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Speaker 3: not necessarily making them big, but recovering from injury and
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Speaker 3: then recovering from their workouts. Now, you can't, no matter
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Speaker 3: what you do, steroids or fucking X ray vision or whatever,
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Speaker 3: being able to turn around on a ninety five mile
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Speaker 3: an hour fastball and hit that bitch four hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty feet is not something that you get from a drug.
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Speaker 3: It's not something that you get from you know, you
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Speaker 3: can't just say I'm a teacher how to turn on
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Speaker 3: a fastball as God given or whatever you believe in,
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Speaker 3: and it requires hours and hours and hours and hours
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Speaker 3: of practice. So this guy, actually, you know, he put
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Speaker 3: in the Times.
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Speaker 4: A phenomenal player.
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Speaker 3: It's a shame that his legacy was tainted with you know,
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Speaker 3: some of his actions within Again, how much of that
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Speaker 3: actually played into the kind of player he was on
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Speaker 3: the field, you know, helping him to achieve that forty
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Speaker 3: forty season. But anyway, man, just like I said, I
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Speaker 3: appreciate the episode. Give me a chance to rap about
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Speaker 3: a little bit of baseball. Thanks.
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Speaker 1: Shake later, Yeah, man, Arry I hear you. You Steroids
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Speaker 1: are not gonna help you turn on a ninety mile
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Speaker 1: an hour fastball, that's for sure. And I think hitting
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Speaker 1: a fastball, uh in the in the major leagues is
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Speaker 1: probably the hardest thing to do in sports. But steroids
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Speaker 1: are gonna help you mash that baseball over the mass frickin' pike.
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Speaker 1: Uh if you're at Fenway Park and you're juiced on
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Speaker 1: the rhids. So you got a point, and then I
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Speaker 1: kind of like where you're going there with. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's all is Jose's behavior is disgraceful as it is.
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Speaker 1: How much of that was responsible for the player that
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Speaker 1: he became, that sort of animal attitude that he brought
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Speaker 1: to the field. It's a good question. Six point seven
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Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. I don't think
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Speaker 1: you get the one without the other. I hope that, uh,
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Speaker 1: that answers you question. Nine oh nine. Let's hear from
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Speaker 1: the nine o nine, the one, nine.
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Speaker 4: O nine, Jake, you magnificent bastard. It's Scott from the
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Speaker 4: nine oh nine. I'm seeing Dylan in concerts. I did
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Speaker 4: so in nineteen ninety one. I was working for a
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Speaker 4: country radio station and Dylan was doing a series of
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Speaker 4: shows with the Kentucky Headhunters as his opening act, which
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Speaker 4: weird bill and look up the Kentucky Headhunters. We won't
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Speaker 4: go into it here, but when Dylan comes out, he
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Speaker 4: is backlit the entire show, so his face is completely dark.
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Speaker 4: You can't see him. You can hear him, you see
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Speaker 4: the band playing, but you cannot see Dylan. And to
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Speaker 4: this day, I still don't know if it was him.
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Speaker 4: So that's my Dylan story. Love you stuff. I'll be
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Speaker 4: listening to you on the pod. Thanks, Jake.
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Speaker 1: You know I see where you go with this. Nine
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Speaker 1: O nine Scott. Wow, you're kind of blowing my mind.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 1: This Dylan is just the guy to do what you're suggesting,
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Speaker 1: which is actually put on a concert, but not actually
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Speaker 1: put on a concert, and how somebody stand in for him.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look this up. I don't believe it to
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Speaker 1: be true, of course, but I don't I'm not totally
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Speaker 1: writing it off. And there's a precedent here from music history.
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Speaker 1: If you know the story of the Zombies and zz
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Speaker 1: Top check that out, Scott. I'm not gonna burn it
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Speaker 1: here because eventually I want to do an episode on it.
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Speaker 1: But there's a very very close comp to your your
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Speaker 1: kel from seven to eight to one. You read my
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21:25
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21:43
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