Latest / Drawn of History / Joe Rogan Experience _2232 - Josh Brolin(M4A_128K)
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- 0:04Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
- 0:06Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe.
- 0:07Speaker 3: Rogan podcast by night.
- 0:09Speaker 2: All day. Hey.
- 0:13Speaker 4: Oh.
- 0:14Speaker 5: Little Bo Peep. She needed the money.
- 0:16Speaker 3: Oh.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Oh.
- 0:18Speaker 3: Remember how great that was, man?
- 0:20Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
- 0:21Speaker 3: When I first met him, it was like one of
- 0:23Speaker 3: those weird things where, you know, I mean, you've met
- 0:25Speaker 3: a lot of famous people. Some of them, you meet them,
- 0:27Speaker 3: you're like, oh, fucking really?
- 0:29Speaker 2: Bummer.
- 0:30Speaker 3: It's weird. Oh, there's bummer, too. Yeah, the bummer ones,
- 0:32Speaker 3: that sucks. When you meet someone, they suck. You're like, oh, no,
- 0:35Speaker 3: you suck.
- 0:36Speaker 5: I know, exactly.
- 0:37Speaker 3: Some people just not talk. They should only do what
- 0:40Speaker 3: they do, act and sing.
- 0:41Speaker 5: But then you get to know them. I don't know.
- 0:44Speaker 5: I'm pretty good at this now where you don't, where
- 0:47Speaker 5: you see people that you looked up to. Like Eddie Vedder,
- 0:51Speaker 5: I had a pretty close relationship with Eddie Vedder. Yeah,
- 0:54Speaker 5: but I was drinking and then I would grab.
- 0:55Speaker 3: His balls and do shit like that.
- 0:58Speaker 5: And then it was like, I don't want him around.
- 1:01Speaker 5: I don't want Josh around. I don't like that anymore.
- 1:04Speaker 5: I don't want my, you know. And I think Sean
- 1:07Speaker 5: Penn appreciated shit like that. Like, wow, somebody has the balls.
- 1:12Speaker 5: It's not even a little chaos. It's like somebody has
- 1:14Speaker 5: the balls to, like, call me on my shit. Like,
- 1:17Speaker 5: not everybody's afraid of me. Oh, right.
- 1:19Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably used to people constantly being afraid of him.
- 1:22Speaker 5: Yeah, like, oh, I can't fuck with him.
- 1:23Speaker 3: Right. Well, he does wild shit. Like when he went
- 1:25Speaker 3: down to fucking Mexico and met with El Chapo, like
- 1:29Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, dude, that's a.
- 1:31Speaker 2: Fucking wild thing to do.
- 1:32Speaker 5: And I do think that that's organic, but I think
- 1:34Speaker 5: that that's also, you just have that thing where you
- 1:37Speaker 5: just go, you know what? Shit's getting boring.
- 1:40Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:40Speaker 5: The weather's just too fucking nice here.
- 1:42Speaker 3: Weather's too nice. I'm too famous. Let's go meet a mobster.
- 1:45Speaker 5: Yeah. Let's go fuck some shit up. Let's do something big.
- 1:49Speaker 5: Let's do something really reckless. Let's do something that's going
- 1:51Speaker 5: to resonate for at least a year.
- 1:53Speaker 3: Yeah. That whole El Chapo thing was so crazy, though,
- 1:55Speaker 3: because that kind of is one of the things that
- 1:57Speaker 3: got him caught.
- 1:59Speaker 5: It was, right?
- 2:00Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:00Speaker 3: Yeah, because they track your cell phone data.
- 2:03Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:03Speaker 3: They know where you go. And if you're bringing your
- 2:05Speaker 3: fucking cell phone, you're basically bringing a tracking device to
- 2:08Speaker 3: go find one of the most notorious gangsters alive today.
- 2:13Speaker 5: The most, I mean, who was the guy with the
- 2:16Speaker 5: football team back in the day?
- 2:18Speaker 3: Pablo Escobar?
- 2:19Speaker 5: Think about it. It's our days. This time it's Pablo Escobar. Yeah.
- 2:24Speaker 3: And Sean Penn. Goes and hangs out with him.
- 2:27Speaker 5: Spicoli. Goes, you know what, man?
- 2:31Speaker 3: Spicoli.
- 2:32Speaker 5: Hey, who wants to come with me and find this motherfucker?
- 2:35Speaker 3: Did he go solo? I think so. I think he
- 2:37Speaker 3: went solo. Well, he knew that lady who was like
- 2:39Speaker 3: a reporter. You know, there was like this really.
- 2:42Speaker 5: Hot Mexican reporter. Oh, yeah, the Mexican girl. Yeah.
- 2:44Speaker 3: Yeah, he knew her.
- 2:45Speaker 5: Was he dating her?
- 2:47Speaker 3: I don't know. But I think she had a thing
- 2:49Speaker 3: with El Chapo. After that? No.
- 2:52Speaker 5: Did Sean introduce them properly?
- 2:54Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 2:55Speaker 3: I think he knew her and she knew him. She
- 2:58Speaker 3: knew El Chapo.
- 2:59Speaker 5: Oh, right. That's how he got. That was the connect.
- 3:01Speaker 3: And El Chapo's like, I like the meat. It's piccoli.
- 3:03Speaker 5: Yeah. I like the meat.
- 3:06Speaker 2: I love you.
- 3:09Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoyed you in colors. And then next
- 3:12Speaker 3: thing you know.
- 3:12Speaker 5: What's the most dangerous thing that you do now? What
- 3:15Speaker 5: do you think?
- 3:16Speaker 3: Dangerous thing?
- 3:17Speaker 5: Like we're talking about Sean going out on a limb.
- 3:20Speaker 5: Do you find it necessary to go out and do
- 3:22Speaker 5: things that like challenge you in a way? Yes.
- 3:25Speaker 3: Challenge your psyche?
- 3:27Speaker 5: Yes.
- 3:27Speaker 3: In what way? Elk hunting is probably the most exciting.
- 3:32Speaker 5: What is? Elk hunting. Elk hunting. Why? Because it puts
- 3:35Speaker 5: you in danger?
- 3:36Speaker 3: Well, no. It's just really difficult. You're bow hunting in
- 3:40Speaker 3: the mountains.
- 3:41Speaker 6: Right.
- 3:41Speaker 3: And it's just you in the mountains and just fucking mountain.
- 3:43Speaker 5: Lions and bears and shit. Do you stay up there
- 3:45Speaker 5: for days and days and days? And do you quarter
- 3:47Speaker 5: your kill? Oh, yeah. We pack it out. Yeah. See,
- 3:49Speaker 5: that's a different thing.
- 3:50Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 3:51Speaker 5: People say, I don't like hunting. Personally, I grew up
- 3:54Speaker 5: in a very red part of California. Everybody hunts that
- 3:57Speaker 5: I grew up with. And I would shoot and I
- 3:59Speaker 5: would hunt with my dad and I would like fucking
- 4:02Speaker 5: think about it and dream about it for three weeks.
- 4:04Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
- 4:04Speaker 5: I love it.
- 4:05Speaker 3: I love it.
- 4:06Speaker 5: I love eating it. No, no, no. I'm saying that
- 4:08Speaker 5: I would like spiral.
- 4:10Speaker 3: Oh, you would get negative with it. Not even, it
- 4:12Speaker 3: was negative.
- 4:13Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess it would be negative, but it would
- 4:14Speaker 5: like made me think of like the kids that were
- 4:17Speaker 5: going like.
- 4:17Speaker 2: Mom, mom, are you there?
- 4:20Speaker 5: And I just killed the mother. It's like the Bambi
- 4:22Speaker 5: kind of thing.
- 4:23Speaker 2: Right.
- 4:23Speaker 5: But I eat meat.
- 4:25Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
- 4:26Speaker 5: So that hypocritical thing of like, I don't want to
- 4:29Speaker 5: kill anything, but I want you to kill it for
- 4:31Speaker 5: me so I can eat it because I really like
- 4:33Speaker 5: the way it tastes.
- 4:34Speaker 3: Well, that's the anthropomorphization of animals that Disney has kind
- 4:39Speaker 3: of done a number on people with, you know, like
- 4:42Speaker 3: Bambi and Yogi Bear and all that kind of shit,
- 4:45Speaker 3: cartoons and teddy bears. And we have a very, you know,
- 4:49Speaker 3: living in, when you live in urban areas and cities
- 4:53Speaker 3: and people, you know, streets and concrete and people just
- 4:56Speaker 3: get a very distorted idea of nature and our relationship
- 4:59Speaker 3: with nature. And when you're a kid and you're just,
- 5:02Speaker 3: these are sweet, cute things. And then all of a
- 5:04Speaker 3: sudden you're supposed to go murder one. Like it's all
- 5:07Speaker 3: fucked up, but it's what's fucked up is the cartoons.
- 5:11Speaker 3: I mean, they're cute and everything.
- 5:13Speaker 5: Because they depict it in a way. How?
- 5:15Speaker 3: Well, it's just completely distorted. You have these animals that
- 5:19Speaker 3: are talking to each other and the hunters are always assholes.
- 5:21Speaker 3: And they're like, If it wasn't for hunters, there would
- 5:24Speaker 3: be no humans. We'd have never made it this far.
- 5:26Speaker 3: If we were all just eating fucking tubers and grapes
- 5:29Speaker 3: and shit, we would have never made it.
- 5:31Speaker 5: Do you like garbanzo beans?
- 5:33Speaker 3: Not bad.
- 5:33Speaker 5: I don't prefer that. Have you ever hunted one?
- 5:35Speaker 6: No.
- 5:36Speaker 5: It's fucking wild, man.
- 5:37Speaker 7: How do you do that?
- 5:38Speaker 5: You take a bunch of acid.
- 5:40Speaker 3: You take a bunch of acid.
- 5:43Speaker 5: It's possible. What about the sexual connotations of Disney? Like,
- 5:49Speaker 5: you know, did you ever hear that thing that Walt
- 5:51Speaker 5: Disney had like the biggest porn collection of all time? Really?
- 5:55Speaker 5: That's what I heard. I don't know how much of
- 5:56Speaker 5: it is true.
- 5:57Speaker 3: Have you ever seen how.
- 5:58Speaker 5: There's like the Rod Stewart thing and there's the... Oh, right, right.
- 6:01Speaker 5: You know what I mean? I don't know if it's what.
- 6:03Speaker 3: Right.
- 6:03Speaker 5: I don't know how much.
- 6:04Speaker 3: Move a little, Jamie. Did Walt Disney have a gigantic
- 6:06Speaker 3: porn collection? I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of people
- 6:09Speaker 3: that are like really into kids stuff and like sweet,
- 6:12Speaker 3: wholesome stuff, they.
- 6:14Speaker 5: Need to flip. Have that other kind of slant.
- 6:16Speaker 3: Yeah, they need something... Or eventually flip. Maybe. Maybe it's
- 6:20Speaker 3: a cover, or maybe it's like they're so cutesy with
- 6:24Speaker 3: the fucking completely wholesome stuff that they have to balance
- 6:28Speaker 3: it out with some bonded shit.
- 6:30Speaker 5: Some fucked up shit.
- 6:31Speaker 3: Some guys getting kicked in the nuts and ball gags.
- 6:33Speaker 5: Why is it that people feel that people in Hollywood,
- 6:36Speaker 5: and Texans are like that. I know people that have
- 6:38Speaker 5: moved to Texas, and they've called me. There was one
- 6:40Speaker 5: guy that I used to work out with in Venice.
- 6:44Speaker 5: He moved here, and he called me, and he'd be like, hey, man,
- 6:46Speaker 5: the list is coming out. And I'd go, what list?
- 6:50Speaker 3: And he goes, you know, the list.
- 6:52Speaker 2: The list.
- 6:53Speaker 5: And I go, am I on the list?
- 6:54Speaker 2: Oh, no.
- 6:55Speaker 5: And he goes, no. You're clean. You're good. But I
- 6:59Speaker 5: know you know who's on the list.
- 7:02Speaker 3: You.
- 7:02Speaker 5: I'm glad I know I didn't do anything wrong, even
- 7:04Speaker 5: though I didn't do anything wrong. And I said, but
- 7:06Speaker 5: why are you, like a twofold thing, why are you
- 7:09Speaker 5: under the impression that everybody in Hollywood lives under the
- 7:12Speaker 5: same roof? Like we all live in the same apartment complex.
- 7:15Speaker 5: It's they. They. It's they. Yeah, they. It's they.
- 7:18Speaker 3: They are out there.
- 7:20Speaker 5: They're out there doing that thing. Yeah. And then how
- 7:24Speaker 5: could you possibly think that a guy who's a trainer
- 7:29Speaker 5: at Gold's in Venice would have the list?
- 7:32Speaker 3: Why was he chosen?
- 7:33Speaker 5: Well, he goes on Reddit.
- 7:34Speaker 3: He goes on Reddit. And that's how you get the list.
- 7:36Speaker 5: That's how you get the list.
- 7:37Speaker 3: That's how you get the list.
- 7:38Speaker 5: I still am waiting for the list.
- 7:39Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 7:39Speaker 5: I think I'm going to see him when I'm here.
- 7:41Speaker 5: We started communicating again.
- 7:43Speaker 3: Well, when you have things like the Epstein client list
- 7:45Speaker 3: that doesn't get released, then it fuels these kind of
- 7:48Speaker 3: conspiracy theories about there being a list.
- 7:51Speaker 5: So why is that list not released?
- 7:53Speaker 3: That's a very good question.
- 7:54Speaker 5: Who has that list?
- 7:56Speaker 3: Well, for sure someone has the list. Ghislaine Maxwell's in jail, right?
- 7:59Speaker 3: So she must have talked. There must have been conversations.
- 8:03Speaker 3: And there must be a bunch of very powerful people
- 8:05Speaker 3: that are on that list.
- 8:07Speaker 5: Are all the powerful people in cahoots? Something that I
- 8:11Speaker 5: learned when I played W. I played a senator.
- 8:16Speaker 2: What was that like?
- 8:16Speaker 5: I played W.
- 8:17Speaker 3: What is it like playing a guy who's still alive?
- 8:19Speaker 3: Did you meet with him?
- 8:20Speaker 5: Scary.
- 8:20Speaker 3: Did you hang out with him at all? Scary.
- 8:22Speaker 5: I mean, no, I wanted to.
- 8:24Speaker 3: Did you ever meet him?
- 8:26Speaker 5: No.
- 8:27Speaker 3: God, that's weird, right?
- 8:28Speaker 5: I had the opportunity to meet him afterwards. And there
- 8:33Speaker 5: was something about him that was more, I remember when
- 8:35Speaker 5: he was like giving candy to Michelle Obama and all that. Yeah.
- 8:39Speaker 5: It was like a really friendly kind of a mischievous thing.
- 8:41Speaker 5: And I was like, I would like to meet him.
- 8:44Speaker 5: And then I saw his paintings of his dogs and
- 8:46Speaker 5: I said, I don't want to meet him. I just
- 8:49Speaker 5: don't like it was something attractive for a moment. And
- 8:52Speaker 5: then I was like, I don't know. And I love paintings.
- 8:56Speaker 5: I don't know what it was, but he didn't like
- 8:57Speaker 5: the paintings. No, it's not that I didn't like the painting.
- 9:00Speaker 3: There's something in the painting.
- 9:01Speaker 5: There was, I don't know what it was.
- 9:03Speaker 3: Something in the paintings is I killed a million people
- 9:05Speaker 3: with fake weapons of mass destruction. You know, there was,
- 9:09Speaker 3: we had a fake story and I used that story
- 9:11Speaker 3: to justify an invasion of a country that And now
- 9:13Speaker 3: a million people are dead.
- 9:14Speaker 5: So that's the question.
- 9:15Speaker 3: And I'm haunted every night.
- 9:16Speaker 2: Totally.
- 9:17Speaker 3: I just paint dogs.
- 9:18Speaker 5: That are staring like that.
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- 12:27Speaker 5: Like your face right now is exactly how every eye
- 12:30Speaker 5: is in his dog's paintings. It's so funny.
- 12:33Speaker 3: That guy must be medicated. They must put him on
- 12:35Speaker 3: some things so he could sleep.
- 12:36Speaker 5: Is that that look? I think. Does he put into
- 12:39Speaker 5: his dog's eyes the look that he has always, or
- 12:42Speaker 5: at least that he feels that he has?
- 12:43Speaker 3: Like there's a haunted.
- 12:44Speaker 5: His lens.
- 12:45Speaker 3: His real look behind his eyes.
- 12:47Speaker 5: Yeah. How he sees the world, how he's.
- 12:49Speaker 7: Experiencing the world.
- 12:49Speaker 3: What is it like running around knowing that you did that?
- 12:53Speaker 3: Not just that you did that, but that there's no...
- 12:55Speaker 3: Like no one went to jail for that. No one
- 12:59Speaker 3: even got brought up on charges.
- 13:01Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was bringing up because when I
- 13:02Speaker 5: would meet these people, I went to the Senate floor
- 13:06Speaker 5: and I met a lot of these people. And then
- 13:07Speaker 5: I met a lot of rich people, which is when
- 13:09Speaker 5: I met Trump actually, the 21 Club. Back when I
- 13:12Speaker 5: knew a lot about him, I was fascinated by the.
- 13:15Speaker 7: Whole– What's the 21 Club?
- 13:15Speaker 5: 21 Club is a place that he used to go
- 13:18Speaker 5: a lot. And it was like, yeah, you have a
- 13:20Speaker 5: chance to meet this billionaire, this billionaire, and then Trump
- 13:23Speaker 5: would be in your target.
- 13:24Speaker 3: Eyes wide shut type shit.
- 13:25Speaker 5: Yeah. So he, what was I going to say? Is he, oh,
- 13:30Speaker 5: meeting these people, especially getting them drunk, you know, where
- 13:33Speaker 5: people get super honest. Right. You know, where they go,
- 13:36Speaker 5: you know what, man? I trust you. I trust you.
- 13:41Speaker 5: And you're like, here it comes. Here it comes. Here
- 13:43Speaker 5: it comes. Whereas before that, they were like, you know,
- 13:46Speaker 5: I'm not sure. And I just, what I think is,
- 13:48Speaker 5: you know, and then they finally go, I just fucked her.
- 13:50Speaker 5: I fucked her. And you're like, oh, or they tell
- 13:53Speaker 5: you what's going on. But the thing that I learned,
- 13:56Speaker 5: and I'm really curious about, like what we were talking
- 13:59Speaker 5: about Hollywood and the perception of them all being in
- 14:01Speaker 5: it together, is don't you think the rivalries and all that,
- 14:06Speaker 5: not entirely, but that all politicians are basically under the
- 14:10Speaker 5: same roof. They all know what each other's doing. And
- 14:13Speaker 5: that there's more of an agenda of power to keep
- 14:16Speaker 5: the public thinking a certain way. Not brainwashed.
- 14:21Speaker 3: There's certainly a benefit to that.
- 14:23Speaker 5: Of course there is.
- 14:23Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a benefit to that. And then there's also
- 14:27Speaker 3: the underlying factor is money, of course. Like there's so
- 14:29Speaker 3: much money and influence. There's so many special interest groups.
- 14:33Speaker 3: There's so many lobbyists.
- 14:34Speaker 5: That's what I mean.
- 14:35Speaker 3: So many massive corporations that are donating to campaigns.
- 14:39Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 14:39Speaker 3: So there's always going to be this desire to sort
- 14:43Speaker 3: of color things in a certain life.
- 14:46Speaker 5: Pacify.
- 14:46Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 14:47Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And then treat you like you're a
- 14:49Speaker 3: baby so they can continue making insane amounts of money.
- 14:52Speaker 3: Like if you're someone like Nancy Pelosi and you're worth
- 14:55Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars and you make $ 170, 000 a year.
- 14:58Speaker 3: And there's no fucking explanation.
- 14:59Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 15:00Speaker 3: Like just that alone. Like you have to kind of
- 15:02Speaker 3: keep people in the dark. You have to kind of
- 15:04Speaker 3: like keep dancing.
- 15:05Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 15:06Speaker 3: Otherwise you're going to jail.
- 15:08Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 15:08Speaker 3: Like someone's going to start investigating and they got to go, hey,
- 15:11Speaker 3: what you did is not legal. Yeah. And you're going
- 15:13Speaker 3: to be in real trouble.
- 15:16Speaker 5: What's your relationship like with money? In what way? Just
- 15:19Speaker 5: in what you made a certain amount of money for
- 15:21Speaker 5: a long time.
- 15:22Speaker 3: I don't think about it.
- 15:23Speaker 5: You don't think about it?
- 15:24Speaker 3: No, no. What I like about money is to not
- 15:25Speaker 3: think about it. That's what I like.
- 15:27Speaker 5: Do you like spending it?
- 15:28Speaker 3: I like buying stuff.
- 15:29Speaker 5: Me too.
- 15:29Speaker 3: I have a nice car. Drove here. I drove a
- 15:32Speaker 3: 69 Camaro. See, but that's different.
- 15:34Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that. That's fucking different. That's character.
- 15:37Speaker 3: I like fun stuff. Fun stuff. But for the most part,
- 15:40Speaker 3: I'm not interested in it as a goal. What I
- 15:45Speaker 3: like about money is not having to think about it.
- 15:47Speaker 3: My friend Brian Callen said this to me once. He said,
- 15:49Speaker 3: he goes, real freedom is when you can go to
- 15:51Speaker 3: a restaurant and not worry about what anything costs. He's like,
- 15:53Speaker 3: everything else is bullshit.
- 15:54Speaker 5: It is.
- 15:55Speaker 3: And it really is. Everything else is bullshit.
- 15:56Speaker 6: It really is.
- 15:57Speaker 3: When you just go to a restaurant, get a nice steak,
- 16:00Speaker 3: you know, order a bottle of wine, have a good
- 16:02Speaker 3: time and not think about the bill.
- 16:04Speaker 5: What I think happens is and be grateful for it.
- 16:08Speaker 5: And to remind yourself to be that that exists to
- 16:11Speaker 5: be grateful for and not be taken advantage of. And
- 16:14Speaker 5: I think that's one of the hardest things about money
- 16:16Speaker 5: slash power is you start treating things as if they're
- 16:20Speaker 5: underneath you. You know, where you go, God, I'm so
- 16:23Speaker 5: glad I can go anywhere in the world right now
- 16:25Speaker 5: and get a meal. And I don't have to think
- 16:28Speaker 5: about how am I going to pay for this? Am
- 16:30Speaker 5: I going to be in debt on my credit card?
- 16:32Speaker 5: But when you start saying, excuse me, I said 204 degrees,
- 16:35Speaker 5: not 190. Read my list. And you're like, oh, man.
- 16:43Speaker 3: That's just gross.
- 16:44Speaker 5: It is gross, but it happens.
- 16:46Speaker 3: That's just taking advantage of this relationship that everyone knows
- 16:50Speaker 3: where service people have to be nicer than they really
- 16:52Speaker 3: would be normally, like a regular person. So people hoping.
- 16:56Speaker 5: For a tip, hoping for one of your many hundreds
- 17:00Speaker 5: of thousands or hundreds of millions of dollars.
- 17:02Speaker 3: It's disgusting. It's a gross way to treat people. But
- 17:05Speaker 3: some people want to get rich so that they could
- 17:08Speaker 3: do that to people. Maybe someone did it to them
- 17:10Speaker 3: when they were younger and they're like, I can't wait
- 17:11Speaker 3: to do this to other people.
- 17:12Speaker 5: I mean, when you said nice car and you were like,
- 17:15Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say I was like, oh, please, no.
- 17:18Speaker 5: Like Lamborghini.
- 17:19Speaker 3: No, I don't have any of those. And then. No,
- 17:21Speaker 3: I like muscle cars. I like old muscle cars. That's
- 17:23Speaker 3: my favorite.
- 17:24Speaker 5: That's like me at 37 knucklehead. And people say, oh,
- 17:27Speaker 5: is that an affectation? I know you're friends with Momoa
- 17:29Speaker 5: or whatever. I go, no, man, I've been riding motorcycles
- 17:32Speaker 5: since I was three and a half years old.
- 17:33Speaker 3: They're fun.
- 17:34Speaker 5: They're not only fun. There's something on us. If you
- 17:37Speaker 5: read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is
- 17:40Speaker 5: the only book that's ever been written that kind of
- 17:42Speaker 5: gets close to the kind of spiritual place. If you're
- 17:46Speaker 5: a true motorcyclist. whether you're riding with your son or
- 17:49Speaker 5: whether you're riding with a grid of guys or whatever,
- 17:52Speaker 5: that beautiful, thunderous hum when you're in a group of
- 17:58Speaker 5: guys who really know what they're doing and you're in
- 18:00Speaker 5: absolute fucking sync. Yes, your arms are up here and
- 18:04Speaker 5: your arms are pretty numb at that point, but you're
- 18:06Speaker 5: fucking soaring. You're an eagle on a fucking jet stream.
- 18:09Speaker 3: You ever heard of Hunter S.
- 18:10Speaker 5: Thompson?
- 18:11Speaker 3: You know that documentary they did, Gonzo? Yeah. In the documentary,
- 18:16Speaker 3: the very beginning, he talks about riding a motorcycle.
- 18:20Speaker 5: Oh, I don't remember that.
- 18:20Speaker 3: On the Pacific Coast Highway.
- 18:21Speaker 5: I don't remember that.
- 18:22Speaker 3: Oh, it's fucking great. See if you can find that.
- 18:24Speaker 3: He talks about riding a motorcycle, about like that the
- 18:28Speaker 3: lines begin to blur.
- 18:30Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 18:30Speaker 3: And you're just on the edge and how alive you are.
- 18:34Speaker 3: It's a fucking fantastic speech.
- 18:35Speaker 5: We don't have to get into this book right away,
- 18:37Speaker 5: but there was, I wrote, they came to me. It's
- 18:39Speaker 5: the only story that I wrote that somebody asked me
- 18:42Speaker 5: to write for the book. And they were like, well,
- 18:44Speaker 5: you're really into motorcycles. Why don't you write a story
- 18:46Speaker 5: about motorcycles?
- 18:48Speaker 3: And I tried.
- 18:48Speaker 5: And it was just bad and bad. And everything I
- 18:51Speaker 5: wrote was, like, so forced and bullshit. And finally I said,
- 18:54Speaker 5: I can't do it. I'm not going to write it.
- 18:55Speaker 5: And the minute I said I'm not going to do this,
- 18:57Speaker 5: I started writing. It just kind of started to come out.
- 19:00Speaker 5: And it's good.
- 19:00Speaker 3: Do you write by hand?
- 19:01Speaker 5: I do. Yeah?
- 19:03Speaker 6: Mostly.
- 19:03Speaker 3: Do you feel more of a connection.
- 19:05Speaker 5: When you write by hand? No, that's not why I
- 19:06Speaker 5: do it. You don't like to type? Because I'll write
- 19:07Speaker 5: any which way, whether it's on the phone, whether– You know,
- 19:10Speaker 5: I remember people saying, like, I write, you know, by hand.
- 19:13Speaker 5: I handwrite because it's the way it used to be.
- 19:16Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, it also used to be
- 19:17Speaker 5: under candlelight, which fucked your eyes up.
- 19:20Speaker 3: Also used to be people had slaves. You can only
- 19:24Speaker 3: get around by horse. Paint on caves and shit.
- 19:25Speaker 5: Why don't you go paint on a cave? Tell me
- 19:27Speaker 5: a story. Try to get it published.
- 19:28Speaker 3: Yeah, get a witch doctor to take care of your
- 19:30Speaker 3: broken leg.
- 19:30Speaker 5: I don't care how it comes out. I think real
- 19:33Speaker 5: writing is anywhere, anytime, however you can get it out.
- 19:36Speaker 5: I don't think there's a muse that's needed. I think
- 19:39Speaker 5: it's work, man.
- 19:40Speaker 3: It is work.
- 19:40Speaker 2: It's labor.
- 19:40Speaker 3: I think the muse is like, it's a concept, right?
- 19:46Speaker 3: Have you ever read Pressfield's The War of Art?
- 19:47Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. Great book. Great book.
- 19:49Speaker 3: I think he's right though when he says you summon
- 19:52Speaker 3: the muse when you sit down to work. But that's
- 19:54Speaker 3: also just like an intention thing. Like you have so
- 19:56Speaker 3: much time and effort put on a thing and when
- 19:59Speaker 3: you do that, your mind gets more in sync with creativity.
- 20:02Speaker 3: But if you treat it like it's a muse, it
- 20:05Speaker 3: actually does work. Like if you show up every day
- 20:08Speaker 3: and like say.
- 20:09Speaker 5: Click into that thing.
- 20:10Speaker 3: And pay respect to the muse. I'm sitting here and
- 20:13Speaker 3: I'm ready to write and I'm a professional and I'm
- 20:16Speaker 3: ready to go. And treat it like you're summoning the muse.
- 20:19Speaker 3: It actually works. There actually is an effect that happens.
- 20:23Speaker 3: I don't know if there's an actual muse. But you
- 20:26Speaker 3: can understand why someone would think that there's a muse.
- 20:28Speaker 5: Yeah, but why do people chant? Why do people meditate?
- 20:31Speaker 5: Why do people that? That's the muse. Whatever the muse is,
- 20:34Speaker 5: it's like talking about God. What's God?
- 20:35Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 20:36Speaker 5: It depends on who you're talking to. God is a feeling.
- 20:39Speaker 5: God is something that fucking thing that keeps you inspired,
- 20:43Speaker 5: that keeps the gasoline at a high octane.
- 20:46Speaker 3: Well, it's something that gets you away from your ego,
- 20:50Speaker 3: like with writing, something that gets you away from your
- 20:52Speaker 3: ego and into your mind, into your consciousness, into like
- 20:56Speaker 3: your perceptions of things and your ability to express it.
- 20:59Speaker 3: And it's a focus thing. And the more you focus
- 21:02Speaker 3: on it, the more that muscle grows, the more you
- 21:04Speaker 3: get adapted to it.
- 21:05Speaker 5: Because your ego is worried about how people are going
- 21:08Speaker 5: to perceive you.
- 21:09Speaker 7: Right.
- 21:09Speaker 5: And that's not right.
- 21:11Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 21:11Speaker 5: You want to look cool. You want to look cool.
- 21:13Speaker 5: People are like, fuck.
- 21:14Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 21:15Speaker 5: I read that book that you wrote, man. Holy shit.
- 21:18Speaker 5: I had no idea. You're amazing.
- 21:20Speaker 3: That's the grossest conversation ever. Cocktail party in Hollywood. Some
- 21:24Speaker 3: guy comes up to you and tells you you're amazing.
- 21:26Speaker 2: Dude.
- 21:26Speaker 3: You are a genius.
- 21:28Speaker 5: And it's always with those eyes. You're so incredible. I
- 21:29Speaker 5: had no idea, dude.
- 21:30Speaker 3: Meanwhile, that guy's trying to sell you on some multi-level
- 21:33Speaker 3: marketing scheme or something. There's something he's trying to tap
- 21:35Speaker 3: into you with.
- 21:36Speaker 5: I want to buy that book. I want to auction
- 21:38Speaker 5: your book. Oh, here it comes. I want to turn
- 21:40Speaker 5: it into a fucking movie.
- 21:40Speaker 3: I also have a script I'd love you to see.
- 21:42Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 21:44Speaker 5: Is it at Disney? Is it about animals talking?
- 21:47Speaker 3: That's the one thing I really love about living in
- 21:50Speaker 3: Texas is there's no Hollywood. There's no show business. I
- 21:53Speaker 3: don't have to deal with any of these people with
- 21:55Speaker 3: alternative agendas.
- 21:58Speaker 5: I want to go back to that, but we just
- 21:59Speaker 5: moved to Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara's awesome. It's funny. Why
- 22:04Speaker 5: does everybody fucking think that?
- 22:06Speaker 3: It is awesome.
- 22:06Speaker 5: Montecito.
- 22:06Speaker 3: I love it out there.
- 22:07Speaker 5: Why?
- 22:08Speaker 3: Because it's beautiful.
- 22:09Speaker 5: Because it's beautiful. What about the people?
- 22:10Speaker 3: They're a little elitist. There's a lot of elitist people
- 22:16Speaker 3: out there.
- 22:17Speaker 5: So that's a perfect place for me. So I grew
- 22:19Speaker 5: up in Santa Barbara. I was in Paso Robles, which
- 22:22Speaker 5: is ranch country, about two hours above Santa Barbara. And
- 22:25Speaker 5: then we moved to Santa Barbara when I was 11.
- 22:28Speaker 5: And it was Montecito, but it was a very different Montecito. Like, yes,
- 22:31Speaker 5: there were a couple of rich people. Yes, my dad
- 22:33Speaker 5: was doing okay by then. He had done Marcus Welby.
- 22:35Speaker 3: He did.
- 22:36Speaker 5: Uh, at that time he did Amityville horror. So he
- 22:39Speaker 5: had a little bit of money, but we bought, you know,
- 22:41Speaker 5: what would now be a $ 35 million home in Montecito. Right.
- 22:45Speaker 5: He bought for $ 600, 000. Uh, same fucking house. Right. Do
- 22:49Speaker 5: you know what I mean? So it was a different
- 22:51Speaker 5: Montecito and then whatever, you know, group I, I grew
- 22:54Speaker 5: up with, but I went to, the point is I
- 22:56Speaker 5: went to jail there a lot. I just did. I
- 22:59Speaker 5: just liked it. Instead of the museum, I went to jail.
- 23:02Speaker 5: I was like, no mom, I'm going to go to
- 23:04Speaker 5: jail today. Um, And then, so in L.A., Venice Beach,
- 23:10Speaker 5: I love Venice Beach, but Venice Beach has even changed.
- 23:13Speaker 5: You know, you used to know everybody and everybody kind
- 23:15Speaker 5: of coexisted beautifully. And then Venice Beach changed. It got
- 23:19Speaker 5: totally randomly violent. Yeah, it became very dangerous. Very dangerous.
- 23:24Speaker 5: Little kids. Okay, so we moved to Malibu. We were
- 23:26Speaker 5: close to Laird. I know Laird and Gabby and all
- 23:29Speaker 5: that thing. But it never landed. So we were always
- 23:33Speaker 5: talking about moving, even though we were kind of building
- 23:35Speaker 5: a house and we were finalizing everything. We're always talking.
- 23:38Speaker 5: We talk about Texas. My mom's from Texas. We were
- 23:41Speaker 5: talking about East Coast. We were talking about Europe, all
- 23:43Speaker 5: these places, but never Santa Barbara. I would never move
- 23:47Speaker 5: back to Santa Barbara. Because by the way, honey, if
- 23:50Speaker 5: we move to Santa Barbara, which you love so much
- 23:52Speaker 5: and you think is so beautiful, our little girls will
- 23:55Speaker 5: eventually for sure go to prison. That was in my mind. Why?
- 24:00Speaker 5: Because in my mind, I had built totally. Most of
- 24:04Speaker 5: my friends that grew up in Montecito are dead. Really?
- 24:07Speaker 5: 36 out of 50.
- 24:08Speaker 7: Really?
- 24:09Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. From what? Heroin epidemic, punk rock. Oh, God.
- 24:14Speaker 5: Driving accidents. 36 out of 50? Out of 50.
- 24:17Speaker 6: Wow.
- 24:18Speaker 5: Best friend, Jason Sears, who was the lead singer of
- 24:20Speaker 5: Rich Kids on LSD, RKL, which was a big punk
- 24:23Speaker 5: band that influenced a bunch of people.
- 24:25Speaker 6: Nirvana.
- 24:25Speaker 2: Nirvana.
- 24:27Speaker 5: Pearl Jam, all these people.
- 24:28Speaker 3: Rich Kids on LSD is a great name for a band.
- 24:30Speaker 5: You should look it up. Can you look it up?
- 24:32Speaker 5: Jason Sears, Rich Kids on LSD. We got a tattoo
- 24:35Speaker 5: at the same time. I got a tattoo from Freddie
- 24:37Speaker 5: Negretti that's gone now because I removed it. But it
- 24:40Speaker 5: was a big Jesus with blood coming out of the hands.
- 24:43Speaker 5: And Jason that same night got eat shit on his ass.
- 24:48Speaker 5: See if you can find Jason's ass that says eat
- 24:51Speaker 5: shit on it. You're going to put that in? Jason Sears,
- 24:56Speaker 5: eat shit. Yeah. Where is it? Oh, you got to
- 25:01Speaker 5: just keep looking. Yeah, it'll be there. So why was that? Oh,
- 25:05Speaker 5: so eventually, when we finally said, look, we're not moving.
- 25:09Speaker 5: We should be grateful. We're not grateful enough. That's the problem.
- 25:13Speaker 5: We're not grateful enough. But Malibu just didn't kind of sit.
- 25:16Speaker 5: And then one day I'm lying on my bed.
- 25:17Speaker 3: What didn't you like about Malibu?
- 25:19Speaker 5: I love Malibu. It's just remote. You know, like we
- 25:21Speaker 5: already are remote in Paso Robles. We have a place
- 25:24Speaker 5: in Paso Robles, a place where I grew up, not
- 25:26Speaker 5: the ranch I grew up. It's about three miles down
- 25:28Speaker 5: the road, but that's remote and a remote that I love.
- 25:31Speaker 5: I love remote, but I love extremes. I don't want
- 25:34Speaker 5: to be sort of next to Santa Monica and it's
- 25:37Speaker 5: 20 miles away and it takes two and a half
- 25:39Speaker 5: hours to get there. Right. You and I were talking
- 25:41Speaker 5: about that. I don't want to sit in traffic for
- 25:43Speaker 5: half my life. Right. I just don't want to.
- 25:45Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 25:45Speaker 5: I'm going to be somewhere. I want to be somewhere.
- 25:47Speaker 5: So Santa Barbara.
- 25:48Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 25:49Speaker 5: Represented a place where you kind of had your own
- 25:51Speaker 5: piece of property, but everything was 10 minutes away. You
- 25:54Speaker 5: got dance class for the girls. You got soccer. You
- 25:57Speaker 5: got this. You know what I mean?
- 25:59Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
- 26:00Speaker 5: So that was the thing. But never was I going
- 26:04Speaker 5: to go back to Santa Barbara. I finally put on
- 26:05Speaker 5: Zillow Santa Barbara. One house came up, and that's the
- 26:08Speaker 5: house that we bought, and it was Joe Walsh's old house.
- 26:10Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Which is amazing. That's incredible.
- 26:13Speaker 5: Incredible.
- 26:14Speaker 3: That's incredible.
- 26:14Speaker 5: Which I was stoked. And I asked him.
- 26:17Speaker 3: Anyway.
- 26:17Speaker 5: I have to finish the story is that I was
- 26:20Speaker 5: so freaked out about moving up to Santa Barbara. I
- 26:24Speaker 5: still hadn't made the kind of transition that I contracted
- 26:27Speaker 5: a mild case to a Bell's palsy.
- 26:29Speaker 3: Really?
- 26:30Speaker 5: Yeah. Like literally was stressing out. My wife was like,
- 26:32Speaker 5: you got to, and I'm not a stress guy. And
- 26:34Speaker 5: she was like, you got to mellow the fuck out.
- 26:35Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, but you don't know what's going to
- 26:37Speaker 5: happen when we move up here. It's like, it's going to.
- 26:39Speaker 7: Be a face.
- 26:40Speaker 5: So literally I'm washing my face.
- 26:43Speaker 3: I'm doing this.
- 26:44Speaker 5: And it just started going.
- 26:45Speaker 7: Whoa.
- 26:47Speaker 3: When was this?
- 26:49Speaker 5: Four months ago.
- 26:50Speaker 7: Okay.
- 26:51Speaker 3: That's a side effect of the vaccine too. That's one
- 26:53Speaker 3: of the side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.
- 26:55Speaker 5: I've also heard that speech impediments. I've heard a lot
- 26:59Speaker 5: of things. Kids taking vaccines and things happening. Yeah. Yeah.
- 27:04Speaker 3: That vaccine in particular. That one. The mRNA one. Yeah.
- 27:07Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 27:07Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- 27:09Speaker 3: I know quite a few people that develop Bell's palsy
- 27:10Speaker 3: from them. Well, whatever you want to call it. Are
- 27:12Speaker 3: you serious?
- 27:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 27:13Speaker 3: Facial paralysis.
- 27:14Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 27:14Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 27:15Speaker 3: I know two people specifically that developed facial, like droopy face.
- 27:20Speaker 5: Because when my older kids were young, there were what,
- 27:24Speaker 5: 17 vaccinations? And now that my younger kids are young,
- 27:28Speaker 5: there's 56.
- 27:29Speaker 2: 72. Yeah.
- 27:29Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a series of them, but it's ultimately 72 shots.
- 27:35Speaker 5: Yeah. It's a scary prospect, man.
- 27:38Speaker 3: Well, the fucked up thing is if you talk about it,
- 27:40Speaker 3: you're an anti-vaxxer and you're a conspiracy theorist. You can
- 27:43Speaker 3: talk about anything. But that's a big one because they've
- 27:45Speaker 3: done a really good job of demonizing anyone who questions
- 27:49Speaker 3: a medicine that might be correlated with a bunch of
- 27:52Speaker 3: fucking serious diseases.
- 27:53Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
- 27:54Speaker 3: And for whatever reason. Profit. They've just done a great
- 27:57Speaker 3: job of gaslighting people.
- 27:58Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 27:59Speaker 3: And scaring the shit out of people by labeling anybody.
- 28:03Speaker 3: Like look what they did to Jenny McCarthy. Do you
- 28:05Speaker 3: remember when Jenny McCarthy had a kid and her kid
- 28:07Speaker 3: had autism and she thought that autism had possibly come
- 28:10Speaker 3: from vaccines? And they basically ran her out of Hollywood.
- 28:13Speaker 5: But why would they do that? What's the reason? What
- 28:15Speaker 5: do they benefit?
- 28:16Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, during the Reagan administration, the vaccine companies,
- 28:24Speaker 3: pharmaceutical drug companies that are making vaccines, they said we
- 28:29Speaker 3: are unable to make these vaccines if we're liable. Because
- 28:34Speaker 3: if we're liable, there's too many lawsuits are going to
- 28:37Speaker 3: come our way because vaccines cannot be completely safe and
- 28:41Speaker 3: effective just by virtue of the mechanism. in which they work.
- 28:45Speaker 3: You have an irritant. You have this virus, this dead virus.
- 28:51Speaker 3: Your body sees the aluminum or whatever it is. It
- 28:54Speaker 3: reacts to that in a negative way, and it finds
- 28:57Speaker 3: the dead virus. It develops antibodies just by the way
- 28:59Speaker 3: they work. When you vaccinate an enormous amount of people,
- 29:03Speaker 3: you're going to have a certain amount of people that
- 29:04Speaker 3: have a negative reaction. If we have lawsuits for every
- 29:07Speaker 3: person that has a negative reaction, we're going to go
- 29:09Speaker 3: out of business.
- 29:09Speaker 5: You're broke.
- 29:10Speaker 3: So they made them immune. They made them immune. And
- 29:12Speaker 3: you know what happened? Immediately, they're like, well, you need
- 29:14Speaker 3: a vaccine for this. And you need to go vaccinate that.
- 29:16Speaker 5: Knowing that there was no drawback.
- 29:18Speaker 3: Hepatitis B vaccines.
- 29:20Speaker 2: Babies.
- 29:21Speaker 5: Right when you're born.
- 29:21Speaker 3: Right when you're born.
- 29:22Speaker 5: Right when you're born.
- 29:23Speaker 3: You know, there's also doctors that say it doesn't even
- 29:26Speaker 3: really work for babies. But what you're doing is you're
- 29:30Speaker 3: conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child
- 29:33Speaker 3: is going to get regularly vaccinated. My doctor, fortunately, our pediatrician,
- 29:38Speaker 3: wanted to put the kids on a different schedule, a
- 29:42Speaker 3: slower schedule. And he didn't want them to have any
- 29:43Speaker 3: vaccines until they were two.
- 29:45Speaker 5: Your doctor in California? Yes.
- 29:48Speaker 3: But it was not like a quack. He was like,
- 29:50Speaker 3: I think the way to do it, I mean, yeah,
- 29:52Speaker 3: there's a schedule of vaccines your kids have to get
- 29:55Speaker 3: unless you have religious exemption. But let's not assault them.
- 30:00Speaker 5: Your children with a potential poison because everybody is different.
- 30:05Speaker 5: If I take a bong hit, I might end up
- 30:07Speaker 5: under the table. If you take a bong hit, you
- 30:10Speaker 5: actually may feel smarter and clearer. I remember Dean Potter,
- 30:13Speaker 5: who was a climber, and he was like, I stopped
- 30:15Speaker 5: smoking pot for four months. But when I started smoking pot,
- 30:18Speaker 5: I could feel the hold at 2,000 feet.
- 30:21Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
- 30:21Speaker 5: Sheer cliff. Nothing underneath, no ropes. But I felt more confident.
- 30:26Speaker 5: And for me, I go, if I took a bong
- 30:28Speaker 5: head up there, I could be four feet up and
- 30:31Speaker 5: be freaking out.
- 30:32Speaker 2: Right.
- 30:33Speaker 3: It's different for everybody.
- 30:34Speaker 5: Because everybody has different brains. It's like psychopharmaceuticals. Let's just
- 30:38Speaker 5: give them all lithium or let's give them all that.
- 30:40Speaker 5: You have to experiment. The idea of experimenting with that
- 30:44Speaker 5: shit is super scary. It is.
- 30:46Speaker 3: It is super scary. And it's also super scary when
- 30:48Speaker 3: you're not liable for any of the repercussions. And you're just...
- 30:53Speaker 3: pushing it on people because you're a corporation and corporations
- 30:55Speaker 3: just want to make money. Their, their thing is just
- 30:58Speaker 3: unlimited growth. They just have a, they have an obligation.
- 31:01Speaker 3: They're shareholders every quarter. They want to make more money
- 31:05Speaker 3: and they just keep ramping it up.
- 31:07Speaker 5: Yeah. I remember Seinfeld talking about that. He was like,
- 31:10Speaker 5: I remember back in the seventies and comedy, you know,
- 31:13Speaker 5: green rooms and all that. And we'd all be fucking
- 31:15Speaker 5: with each other and it had never had anything to
- 31:17Speaker 5: do with money. Cause nobody was really making money like money, money,
- 31:21Speaker 5: like tons of money. It was just about what set
- 31:25Speaker 5: are you going to do? What are you trying out?
- 31:28Speaker 5: Are you going to fail or are you not going
- 31:29Speaker 5: to fail? But it was this community, again, and I
- 31:32Speaker 5: think that things have grown into, not that I wanted
- 31:35Speaker 5: to talk about this or I even thought about it before,
- 31:37Speaker 5: but the money thing is a very interesting thing to me.
- 31:40Speaker 5: And if you want to take it back to the book,
- 31:42Speaker 5: which we.
- 31:42Speaker 3: Can talk about later, it's like the anti-celebrity.
- 31:45Speaker 5: It's like how do you stay grounded? How do you
- 31:48Speaker 5: stay accountable? And why would you stay accountable because I
- 31:52Speaker 5: actually give a fuck about people instead of just being
- 31:55Speaker 5: in it for myself.
- 31:56Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 31:57Speaker 5: And I think that's the difference.
- 31:58Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the things that happens to
- 32:00Speaker 3: people with money is you didn't have money when you
- 32:02Speaker 3: were young. Now all of a sudden you have money
- 32:04Speaker 3: and you get really scared.
- 32:05Speaker 5: About losing that money.
- 32:06Speaker 3: Somebody else is going to take it away. Yeah. You
- 32:08Speaker 3: get scared it's going to go away because now you realize, oh,
- 32:10Speaker 3: my God, it's so much better to not have to
- 32:11Speaker 3: worry about your bills. It's so much better to have
- 32:13Speaker 3: some money to buy things.
- 32:14Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
- 32:14Speaker 3: And then you start thinking only about money and you
- 32:17Speaker 3: start making decisions only for money. And then you go
- 32:21Speaker 3: down the weird road. And it really distorts artists. It
- 32:26Speaker 3: fucks a lot of people up. You see it in
- 32:28Speaker 3: a lot of bands. They start making poppy songs when
- 32:31Speaker 3: they used to be raw and gritty when they were younger.
- 32:34Speaker 3: It used to be like authentic and then all of
- 32:36Speaker 3: a sudden they're making like theme songs for films. It's
- 32:39Speaker 3: like weird fucking romance songs.
- 32:41Speaker 5: For rom-coms.
- 32:42Speaker 3: Like Aerosmith went through a bunch of that shit.
- 32:44Speaker 5: Totally.
- 32:45Speaker 3: Where to me as an Aerosmith, you know, lover as
- 32:47Speaker 3: a kid to see them, you know, go from like
- 32:50Speaker 3: Dream On to like the shit they were.
- 32:52Speaker 5: And I wonder with like drug addiction and all that.
- 32:55Speaker 5: I wonder if it's like if the parallel is I
- 32:58Speaker 5: went back to heroin at that point because I just
- 33:00Speaker 5: couldn't fucking deal.
- 33:02Speaker 3: Do you know what i mean i think it's when
- 33:03Speaker 3: they get off heroin they start wanting to make money
- 33:07Speaker 3: i need to make some money i spent all my
- 33:08Speaker 3: fucking money.
- 33:09Speaker 5: But look at i wonder if there's any connection like
- 33:11Speaker 5: with member philip seymour offman like one of the greatest
- 33:14Speaker 5: actors that ever lived and i've known his mother since
- 33:18Speaker 5: i was doing theater in rochester new york there's like
- 33:21Speaker 5: a 20 year old 21 year old and she would
- 33:23Speaker 5: come up to me she said i think you're a
- 33:24Speaker 5: fine actor i go oh thank you very much and
- 33:27Speaker 5: And she goes, you know, my son just moved to
- 33:28Speaker 5: New York. He wants to be an actor. And I said, oh,
- 33:31Speaker 5: what's his name?
- 33:32Speaker 4: Phil.
- 33:33Speaker 5: Phil's his name. Oh, well, tell Phil good luck. Good
- 33:36Speaker 5: luck to Phil. It's like anybody who wants to be
- 33:40Speaker 5: an actor, just the odds of it happening. It's just
- 33:43Speaker 5: not going to happen. And then Phil became this guy,
- 33:47Speaker 5: 22 years of sobriety, who had an inkling in the
- 33:51Speaker 5: beginning and said, you know what? I don't want this
- 33:53Speaker 5: to control my thing. So I'm not going to do it.
- 33:56Speaker 5: I'm going to give everything I am to acting and
- 33:59Speaker 5: I'm going to try to make the best career, theater career,
- 34:01Speaker 5: movie career, whatever. And then, you know, and I, again,
- 34:05Speaker 5: I have it in the book where I see him
- 34:07Speaker 5: on the street and I'm crazy and I've gotten into
- 34:10Speaker 5: a fight with my wife and I'm walking down Columbus
- 34:12Speaker 5: Avenue and I have cords on, I have no shoes,
- 34:14Speaker 5: I have no shirt. on my way, I'm out of
- 34:17Speaker 5: my fucking head and I look to my left and
- 34:19Speaker 5: I see Nick Nolte at a cafe and we lock
- 34:23Speaker 5: eyes and I've never met Nick Nolte, I've never seen
- 34:25Speaker 5: him and it will happen that I actually will have
- 34:28Speaker 5: a relationship with him later on but we lock eyes
- 34:31Speaker 5: and the moment is he's seeing in me what he
- 34:34Speaker 5: used to be or seeing in me what I'm to become,
- 34:38Speaker 5: I'm seeing in him what I'm to become later, right?
- 34:40Speaker 5: Then I see Philip Seymour Hoffman who's standing there talking,
- 34:44Speaker 5: I go, hey, Phil! It's Josh.
- 34:48Speaker 3: What's up? You're doing so well, man.
- 34:51Speaker 2: Fuck. Good for you, dude. No shirt.
- 34:54Speaker 5: No shirt.
- 34:54Speaker 2: No shoes.
- 34:56Speaker 5: And he's standing there with one foot pointed toward me
- 34:59Speaker 5: and another foot pointed in the direction that he wants
- 35:01Speaker 5: to go. You know how people stand.
- 35:04Speaker 3: There and they're like, good to see you, man.
- 35:06Speaker 5: Yeah, good.
- 35:07Speaker 2: Good. Oh, no.
- 35:08Speaker 5: Now, how is that the guy that died of a
- 35:11Speaker 5: heroin overdose?
- 35:13Speaker 3: Did he get injured?
- 35:15Speaker 5: No.
- 35:16Speaker 2: No?
- 35:17Speaker 3: He just got back on it? Because sometimes what happens
- 35:20Speaker 3: is people get injured.
- 35:22Speaker 5: I know. And they have surgery and then they have
- 35:24Speaker 5: back and then they get on Oxycontin. I know quite
- 35:26Speaker 5: a few people. Me too. I know a lot of
- 35:27Speaker 5: people that that's kind of been the trajectory.
- 35:29Speaker 3: No back pain, nothing?
- 35:30Speaker 5: To me, there's another parallel. And the parallel is I
- 35:33Speaker 5: just want to make money. Finally, I'm sick of doing independence.
- 35:36Speaker 5: I'm sick of doing this and not making any money.
- 35:38Speaker 5: And then you start doing, you know, whatever he was,
- 35:41Speaker 5: Hunger Games.
- 35:42Speaker 3: And then you feel hollow. And then you want to
- 35:45Speaker 3: fill yourself.
- 35:45Speaker 5: That's what we were talking about before.
- 35:46Speaker 2: Right.
- 35:46Speaker 3: You want to numb yourself up because you feel like
- 35:48Speaker 3: a whore.
- 35:48Speaker 5: You feel like a whore. Yeah. It's like there's one
- 35:51Speaker 5: thing about like actually finding solace and saying, hey, man,
- 35:54Speaker 5: I'm older. I'm going to do this movie.
- 35:56Speaker 3: I get it.
- 35:57Speaker 5: I would like, you know, I got college coming up
- 35:59Speaker 5: for my kids and justify it in a way that's OK.
- 36:02Speaker 5: And then there's one thing about you've identified yourself so
- 36:05Speaker 5: much as an artist that to release yourself from that
- 36:08Speaker 5: identity in other people's minds. Again, going back to the ego.
- 36:12Speaker 5: that you just, it just fucks you up. Right.
- 36:14Speaker 3: You just can't deal. And then you want to escape
- 36:16Speaker 3: from your reality.
- 36:17Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah.
- 36:17Speaker 3: You want to numb yourself.
- 36:19Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 36:19Speaker 3: Well, that is a real fucking thing, man. And if
- 36:22Speaker 3: you've ever done a project where it's like really, I
- 36:26Speaker 3: did a really bad sitcom once and I remember.
- 36:29Speaker 5: You acted it?
- 36:29Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was terrible. And I remember
- 36:32Speaker 3: while I was doing it, I was just imagining like,
- 36:34Speaker 3: what if this is my life? What if this stupid
- 36:36Speaker 3: piece of shit sitcom goes for like 10 years?
- 36:38Speaker 2: 10 years, yeah.
- 36:39Speaker 3: And I have to keep, because there's sitcoms that, inexplicably
- 36:42Speaker 3: are very successful or were the 90s yeah and very
- 36:45Speaker 3: successful and they were terrible terrible they're terrible people love
- 36:48Speaker 3: them well people want to be eating ice cream they
- 36:51Speaker 3: just want a slack jaw sit in front of the
- 36:53Speaker 3: computer or whatever the tv and eat spaghettios just fucking
- 36:57Speaker 3: numb themselves to some mundane bullshit and if you're doing
- 37:00Speaker 3: that kind of a thing you live in hell and
- 37:03Speaker 3: a lot of those people that do those things they
- 37:05Speaker 3: wind up doing drugs because they just feel very lost.
- 37:08Speaker 5: But if you do that, you live in hell.
- 37:11Speaker 3: Yeah, you live in hell.
- 37:11Speaker 5: Which it is, to me, to you.
- 37:13Speaker 3: It sounds crazy to a person listening. Oh, you're making $ 50, 000
- 37:16Speaker 3: a week. How are you living? You're living in hell. Like,
- 37:19Speaker 3: what are you talking about?
- 37:20Speaker 5: No, no, no, that's not the point. Most people would
- 37:21Speaker 5: be like.
- 37:21Speaker 3: That's great. That would be amazing. But if you want
- 37:24Speaker 3: to do a thing, if you want to be a
- 37:26Speaker 3: great comic or you want to be a great actor,
- 37:28Speaker 3: and you're doing something. You have to have incentive.
- 37:30Speaker 5: Right.
- 37:31Speaker 3: You have to want to create something really good.
- 37:33Speaker 5: Right.
- 37:33Speaker 3: And when you can't create something really good and you're
- 37:35Speaker 3: just doing it for money. you feel trapped and you
- 37:37Speaker 3: feel like shit. And then you have to reward yourself
- 37:39Speaker 3: for this stupid fucking thing you do. So what do
- 37:41Speaker 3: you do? You go out and buy a nice Mercedes.
- 37:43Speaker 3: You get a fucking house in Malibu. Now you have
- 37:46Speaker 3: a large monthly nut that you have to cover. But
- 37:48Speaker 3: when you take people over your house, like, look how
- 37:50Speaker 3: I'm living. Look at this ocean view.
- 37:52Speaker 5: Come on. How much of this house do you use? Nothing.
- 37:55Speaker 3: Almost nothing. I always say to my friends, my young
- 37:58Speaker 3: comic friends that are coming up, your house is just
- 38:00Speaker 3: your house. I remember when I first got a nice apartment,
- 38:03Speaker 3: when I moved to North Hollywood in 1994, I got
- 38:06Speaker 3: a loft apartment and a pool table in it and
- 38:09Speaker 3: a nice stereo and I was like, this is incredible.
- 38:11Speaker 3: I have a nice apartment, this is amazing. And then
- 38:14Speaker 3: after a while, it just became my house. It became
- 38:17Speaker 3: where I live. And I realized at that moment, I'm like, oh.
- 38:21Speaker 3: This is, it's all the same feeling. Like all you
- 38:24Speaker 3: need in a house is it to be comfortable.
- 38:25Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 38:26Speaker 3: You need a TV and a kitchen and a couch
- 38:27Speaker 3: and a bed.
- 38:27Speaker 5: It's not supposed to, it's supposed to, it's the place
- 38:30Speaker 5: that you sleep.
- 38:31Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 38:31Speaker 3: It's a place where you relax.
- 38:32Speaker 5: It's not the place where you live the entirety of
- 38:33Speaker 5: your life.
- 38:34Speaker 3: You can relax almost anywhere that's comfortable and safe. That's
- 38:37Speaker 3: all you need. And then everything else is kind of bullshit.
- 38:40Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 38:41Speaker 3: It's kind of the things that you get for your money.
- 38:44Speaker 3: It's like, there's a lot of things that people spend
- 38:46Speaker 3: a lot of money on and they're not really worth it.
- 38:48Speaker 3: You don't really get anything out of it.
- 38:50Speaker 5: That's why it was interesting walking in here and, you know,
- 38:53Speaker 5: man cave. I hate that fucking term. Man cave.
- 38:56Speaker 2: Man cave.
- 38:58Speaker 5: You know, it's a gay cave.
- 39:00Speaker 3: Well, it's a man cave because no woman would ever
- 39:02Speaker 3: let me decorate this place this way.
- 39:04Speaker 5: But it's not that no woman wouldn't like it. Well,
- 39:08Speaker 5: my wife likes.
- 39:08Speaker 3: It when she comes here.
- 39:09Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
- 39:09Speaker 3: She just doesn't want to live in it. She doesn't
- 39:11Speaker 3: want to live.
- 39:11Speaker 5: Do you want to live in it?
- 39:12Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't want to live here.
- 39:13Speaker 5: Well, there you go.
- 39:14Speaker 3: But I might if I was like a single guy.
- 39:15Speaker 3: I might decorate my house like this. But it's things.
- 39:18Speaker 5: The point is that there's things when I walked in here,
- 39:20Speaker 5: it made me smile because I started seeing things that inspire.
- 39:23Speaker 5: And you like to surround yourself. Like if somebody comes
- 39:26Speaker 5: in and does an interior design of your office.
- 39:29Speaker 6: Ugh. Ugh.
- 39:31Speaker 2: Yeah. Ugh.
- 39:32Speaker 5: And they go, we brought in this amazing fabric from Paris.
- 39:36Speaker 5: And you go, but I don't like it. And I
- 39:38Speaker 5: remember when we were doing our house, we were like,
- 39:40Speaker 5: I said, look, man, you can get things from Target.
- 39:44Speaker 5: I don't want to feel that people have to take,
- 39:46Speaker 5: I don't want anybody to feel that they have to
- 39:48Speaker 5: take their shoes off. That's what I don't, I want
- 39:50Speaker 5: them to feel that they can scuff up the floor
- 39:53Speaker 5: because that's the mark that they made when they walked
- 39:55Speaker 5: in my house. And maybe I don't even like the scuff.
- 39:58Speaker 5: I don't like that they walked so heavy, but it's
- 40:01Speaker 5: their mark. We are leaving our mark.
- 40:03Speaker 3: So I said, that's how I feel about this table.
- 40:05Speaker 3: That's why this table has all these stains on it.
- 40:07Speaker 5: Seriously. It's good. It has character.
- 40:09Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 40:09Speaker 3: It's a lot.
- 40:10Speaker 5: And that's the thing is like when we built our,
- 40:12Speaker 5: or the ranch, I said, There were shelves. I said,
- 40:15Speaker 5: I want linoleum. Or what is it? Formica. Linoleum on
- 40:18Speaker 5: the shelves. And we have 150-year-old barn wood, but along
- 40:21Speaker 5: with linoleum. Because linoleum reminds me of like trailer parks
- 40:25Speaker 5: and shit. It just makes me fucking smile. So I
- 40:27Speaker 5: saw this thing when I walked in because I have one.
- 40:32Speaker 5: And that is Ralph Steadman's print that you have.
- 40:35Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
- 40:36Speaker 5: The Hunter S. Thompson print. So Ralph Steadman, Johnny Depp
- 40:40Speaker 5: gave me Ralph Steadman's number because he was close with Hunter.
- 40:44Speaker 5: And my son was graduating. My son's an artist. And
- 40:46Speaker 5: he was obsessed with Stedman, right? And then I called
- 40:50Speaker 5: Ralph Stedman. He said, hello. And I said, hey. I said, listen,
- 40:53Speaker 5: you don't know me. I'm a friend of Johnny's and this.
- 40:56Speaker 5: I said, you know, my son's graduating. And like the
- 40:58Speaker 5: greatest gift I could ever get him. And this is
- 41:01Speaker 5: not just to throw Stedman under the bus because it
- 41:03Speaker 5: comes full circle. But he says, I said, my son's graduating.
- 41:06Speaker 5: Can you do like a little thing? I'll pay you
- 41:08Speaker 5: for it. Can you just draw a little thing for him?
- 41:11Speaker 5: For his graduation, there was a long, long pause, and
- 41:14Speaker 5: he goes, why the fuck would I do that? And
- 41:19Speaker 5: so that conversation went nowhere. I was like, what the fuck?
- 41:24Speaker 2: What an asshole.
- 41:25Speaker 5: And then 20 years went past, and my book is
- 41:29Speaker 5: designed by one of his protégés.
- 41:32Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
- 41:33Speaker 5: And then, so Joey Feldman, he called me one day,
- 41:36Speaker 5: and he said, he said, Ralph wants to send you
- 41:40Speaker 5: a print. And I said, no way. Does he know
- 41:43Speaker 5: or that we have like a history? And he said, no,
- 41:46Speaker 5: I don't think so. So I sent him a voice
- 41:48Speaker 5: memo of the history and I said, I never held
- 41:50Speaker 5: it against you. I totally understand it. So he sent
- 41:53Speaker 5: me one for my son and one for me and
- 41:56Speaker 5: I have it hanging up in my house.
- 41:57Speaker 3: That's cool.
- 41:58Speaker 5: I love having that thing, man.
- 41:59Speaker 3: He was an interesting artist.
- 42:01Speaker 5: He is very interesting.
- 42:02Speaker 3: Yeah, I should say is. But I mean, the stuff
- 42:05Speaker 3: that he did, it's like That's also in that Gonzo
- 42:07Speaker 3: documentary where it talks about how Hunter gave him acid
- 42:10Speaker 3: and mushrooms and he just started fucking writing, drawing like
- 42:13Speaker 3: really crazy shit. And like the thing for, do you
- 42:18Speaker 3: remember the thing he did for the Kentucky Derby is.
- 42:23Speaker 5: Decadent and depraved? Yeah, that was like the first thing,
- 42:24Speaker 5: wasn't it?
- 42:25Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 42:25Speaker 5: I think that was how they got together.
- 42:26Speaker 3: See, we can find that. The Kentucky Derby is decadent
- 42:29Speaker 3: and depraved.
- 42:30Speaker 5: Yeah. It's a really good article, actually. Whoa, that was fast, dude. Yeah.
- 42:36Speaker 5: But look at that.
- 42:36Speaker 3: That article is fucking amazing. It's an amazing article. It's
- 42:39Speaker 3: one of my favorite Hunter pieces.
- 42:40Speaker 5: And I don't think that they spent a lot of
- 42:41Speaker 5: time together, but I think.
- 42:43Speaker 3: Hunter and him?
- 42:44Speaker 5: No, I don't.
- 42:45Speaker 3: There's a lot of it in the documentary where they're
- 42:46Speaker 3: hanging out together.
- 42:47Speaker 5: Really?
- 42:48Speaker 3: Yeah, he picks him up at the airport in his
- 42:49Speaker 3: VW Bug.
- 42:50Speaker 5: No, I know it exists, but I don't think that
- 42:53Speaker 5: they spent the amount of time that you would think
- 42:55Speaker 5: given that they collaborated so much. I think Ralph was
- 42:59Speaker 5: back in Britain and Hunter was... I know.
- 43:03Speaker 2: Look at that.
- 43:04Speaker 5: Look at that. See, that's the kind of shit, do
- 43:07Speaker 5: you miss that? Like, as part of driving your car
- 43:09Speaker 5: and all that?
- 43:10Speaker 3: That's the thing from the, put your headphones off for
- 43:12Speaker 3: a second.
- 43:13Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 43:16Speaker 1: Take the thing out for an honest run down the coast.
- 43:20Speaker 1: I would start in Golden Gate Park, thinking only to
- 43:23Speaker 1: run a few long curves to clear my head.
- 43:25Speaker 5: Ah, it's so good. A wavering alcoholic off the wagon.
- 43:33Speaker 1: But in a matter of minutes, I'd be out at
- 43:35Speaker 1: the beach with the sound of the engine in my ears.
- 43:38Speaker 1: Surf booming up on the seawall and a fine empty
- 43:40Speaker 1: road stretching all the way down to Santa Cruz. There
- 43:44Speaker 1: was no helmet on those nights, no speed limit, and
- 43:47Speaker 1: no cooling it down around the curves.
- 43:53Speaker 5: I love seeing the sand in the road. Then into
- 43:57Speaker 5: second gear.
- 43:58Speaker 1: Forgetting the cars and letting the beast wind out.
- 44:00Speaker 2: 35, 45.
- 44:00Speaker 1: Then into third, not worried about green or red signals,
- 44:06Speaker 1: but only some other werewolf looming. Now there's no sound
- 44:10Speaker 1: except the wind.
- 44:14Speaker 5: The needle leans down on 100.
- 44:15Speaker 1: The wind-burned eyeballs strain to see down the center line.
- 44:20Speaker 5: No room at all for mistakes.
- 44:24Speaker 1: That's when the strange music starts.
- 44:30Speaker 5: That's great.
- 44:36Speaker 1: The edge there is no honest way to explain it
- 44:40Speaker 1: because the only people who really know where it is
- 44:43Speaker 1: are the ones who have gone over the others the
- 44:46Speaker 1: living are those who pushed their control as far as
- 44:49Speaker 1: they felt they could handle it and then pulled back
- 44:51Speaker 1: or slowed down.
- 44:55Speaker 5: But the edge is still out.
- 45:03Speaker 2: There.
- 45:04Speaker 3: That guy was fucking amazing.
- 45:05Speaker 5: It's great. It's great. It's fucking amazing. What do you
- 45:08Speaker 5: love about his writing? And what type, like fear and loathing?
- 45:12Speaker 3: Well, I was just reading Hell's Angels recently, actually.
- 45:16Speaker 5: That's the book that I go back to most.
- 45:18Speaker 3: Well, that's really him when he was starting, right? That
- 45:21Speaker 3: was the beginning of the sort of gonzo journalism stuff
- 45:24Speaker 3: because he was kind of mixing in fiction. With reality.
- 45:28Speaker 3: That's one of the things that pissed off the Hells
- 45:30Speaker 3: Angels is that he took a lot of liberties with
- 45:32Speaker 3: the truth to try to like paint a picture.
- 45:35Speaker 5: Right. Which was his deal, which was his style later
- 45:39Speaker 5: on is like exaggerating and kind of romancing his own life.
- 45:44Speaker 3: Well, he was out of his fucking mind.
- 45:45Speaker 5: Out of his mind. But he was also one of
- 45:47Speaker 5: the most brilliant technical writers that ever was. And that's
- 45:50Speaker 5: what that's what's forgotten. Like even people talk about Kerouac
- 45:54Speaker 5: and Kerouac was like, you know, he rode on the
- 45:56Speaker 5: road and he was on the road and it was
- 45:58Speaker 5: the Hunter S. Thompson type of thing. And you're like,
- 46:00Speaker 5: you know, he edited on the road for seven years.
- 46:05Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
- 46:06Speaker 5: And nobody knows that because Kerouac kind of like, you know,
- 46:09Speaker 5: he put forth this thing of like first thought, best thought,
- 46:13Speaker 5: don't edit. It was again, it's total horseshit.
- 46:17Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
- 46:18Speaker 5: That's why I say it goes back to writers. It's
- 46:20Speaker 5: a labor. Yeah. You sit down and you write all
- 46:23Speaker 5: the fucking time.
- 46:25Speaker 3: My friend Ari on his laptop, he's got a little
- 46:28Speaker 3: piece of paper above the keyboard that says the first
- 46:30Speaker 3: draft of everything is shit.
- 46:31Speaker 5: And it's true.
- 46:33Speaker 3: It's Hemingway. Yeah, Hemingway wrote that.
- 46:35Speaker 5: You know his first book, Hemingway's first book was lost
- 46:38Speaker 5: by his wife. What? Yeah. She lost it? Yeah. She
- 46:42Speaker 5: grabbed it for him and was on a train and
- 46:44Speaker 5: then she went to the bathroom and actually left the satchel.
- 46:48Speaker 5: on the seat, and when she came out of the bathroom,
- 46:49Speaker 5: it was gone.
- 46:50Speaker 3: Oh my God.
- 46:51Speaker 5: Never to be found again.
- 46:52Speaker 3: Oh my God.
- 46:53Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. Can you imagine? Oh my God. All
- 46:55Speaker 5: that work.
- 46:56Speaker 3: Did that marriage work out?
- 46:57Speaker 5: I don't think so.
- 46:58Speaker 3: I bet you did it on purpose, that bitch.
- 46:59Speaker 2: Maybe.
- 47:00Speaker 7: I bet you did it on purpose, that bitch.
- 47:07Speaker 5: Yeah, man.
- 47:08Speaker 3: I love writing. I love when someone's a really good
- 47:12Speaker 3: writer because you just get these moments where you're like, yes.
- 47:15Speaker 2: Yes.
- 47:16Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, oh, that's it.
- 47:18Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 47:19Speaker 3: And Hunter had a lot of those moments where you're like,
- 47:21Speaker 3: God damn it, that's good.
- 47:23Speaker 5: You have so many people who were great young, and
- 47:25Speaker 5: I know that there's a danger and a chaos within
- 47:28Speaker 5: the vortex within which they lived, but it couldn't survive.
- 47:33Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean? Most of them. When
- 47:34Speaker 5: Hunter got, he was just too fucking alcoholic.
- 47:37Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 47:38Speaker 5: And Dylan Thomas became too fucking alcoholic. And it's one
- 47:42Speaker 5: of those things that you go, you were literally riding
- 47:46Speaker 5: things that aren't possible. You were putting together like wordsmithing
- 47:50Speaker 5: things that are.
- 47:53Speaker 2: Magic.
- 47:53Speaker 5: Magic.
- 47:54Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 47:55Speaker 5: Magic.
- 47:55Speaker 3: How he was describing it's that thing.
- 47:57Speaker 5: Whatever it is you're doing, how do you get to
- 48:01Speaker 5: that place which most people can't touch?
- 48:03Speaker 3: Well, you can't neglect your physical health. That's the problem
- 48:07Speaker 3: is that in this chase for the muse, in this
- 48:10Speaker 3: dance you do with the drugs and the alcohol and
- 48:13Speaker 3: the wild riding and You know, I'm sure you've seen
- 48:16Speaker 3: Hunter S. Thompson's– there's a thing that a reporter, he
- 48:19Speaker 3: hung out with Hunter S. Thompson and detailed what a
- 48:24Speaker 3: day in the life of Hunter S. Thompson is.
- 48:26Speaker 5: Who was it?
- 48:27Speaker 3: There's a band called Beardy Man, and Beardy Man took
- 48:31Speaker 3: me and Greg Fitzsimmons reading off. Hunter S. Thompson's routine,
- 48:36Speaker 3: his daily routine before he writes, and made a song
- 48:39Speaker 3: out of it. It's fucking incredible. See if you can
- 48:42Speaker 3: find that. Because the routine was so insane. And this
- 48:46Speaker 3: was like really what he would do. He would wake
- 48:48Speaker 3: up at like 2 in the afternoon. No.
- 48:50Speaker 5: No.
- 48:51Speaker 2: Chaos.
- 48:51Speaker 5: Okay, great.
- 48:52Speaker 3: Full on chaos. Here, let's put the headphones back on.
- 48:55Speaker 3: It started from the beginning.
- 48:59Speaker 5: Beardy man.
- 49:00Speaker 2: 3 p.m., rise.
- 49:06Speaker 3: Chivas Regal with morning papers.
- 49:08Speaker 2: 3.45, cocaine. Another glass of Chivas. Another Dunhill.
- 49:13Speaker 3: 4.05 p.m., by the way, first cup of coffee and
- 49:17Speaker 3: a Dunhill.
- 49:17Speaker 2: 4.15, cocaine. Another Dunhill. 4.30. Cocaine.
- 49:21Speaker 5: Cocaine. Cocaine.
- 49:25Speaker 2: Coffee. Dunhill.
- 49:26Speaker 5: 5.45.
- 49:28Speaker 2: 6 o'clock. Smoking grass to take the edge off the day.
- 49:33Speaker 2: 7 p.m. The day. 3 hours into it.
- 49:36Speaker 5: 3 hours in.
- 49:37Speaker 2: Lit.
- 49:37Speaker 3: 7 p.m.
- 49:39Speaker 5: Lunch.
- 49:40Speaker 2: Margaritas.
- 49:42Speaker 3: Lunch.
- 49:42Speaker 5: Taco salad.
- 49:43Speaker 2: Dungeon rings. Carrot cake. Bean fritter.
- 49:46Speaker 5: Cocaine.
- 49:54Speaker 2: Start snorting cocaine seriously.
- 49:56Speaker 3: Drops acid.
- 50:01Speaker 2: 11 p.m. I don't know what that is. Cocaine and grass. Cocaine,
- 50:06Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. 12 midnight.
- 50:10Speaker 5: Hunter S.
- 50:10Speaker 7: Thompson is ready to write.
- 50:12Speaker 2: 6 a.m. In the hot tub with champagne.
- 50:16Speaker 6: 6 a.m.
- 50:19Speaker 2: In the hot tub with champagne. 6 a.m. In the
- 50:23Speaker 2: hot tub with champagne.
- 50:25Speaker 3: So this is like an electronic dance music song that
- 50:28Speaker 3: plays in clubs sometimes.
- 50:31Speaker 5: Super funny. When did you do that?
- 50:32Speaker 3: Oh, it was a long time ago. Many years ago.
- 50:35Speaker 3: Did you ever live like that?
- 50:36Speaker 5: No, no.
- 50:37Speaker 3: I've never even done coke. Wow. Yeah, I've never fucked
- 50:40Speaker 3: around with coke. I like psychedelics. I like weed. I
- 50:44Speaker 3: like a little alcohol every now and then, but I
- 50:46Speaker 3: don't fuck around with anything that's going to kill me.
- 50:48Speaker 3: I'm not interested.
- 50:49Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 50:50Speaker 3: And I'm not interested in anything that helps my ego,
- 50:52Speaker 3: that boosts it up, makes me fearless.
- 50:55Speaker 2: That bloats it?
- 50:55Speaker 3: I'm not interested in any of that. I like things
- 50:57Speaker 3: that make me scared. I like things that make me nervous.
- 51:01Speaker 5: That's what I was talking about early on.
- 51:02Speaker 3: I like to feel vulnerable. I like it. You like
- 51:05Speaker 3: to challenge yourself.
- 51:07Speaker 5: Yeah. And your perception and how you perceive certain things.
- 51:11Speaker 3: I think... I like voluntary adversity, physical voluntary adversity, but
- 51:16Speaker 3: also I think mental voluntary adversity. And I think that's
- 51:20Speaker 3: what I like about psychedelics. I think you have to
- 51:24Speaker 3: go on a journey and you can't control it. It
- 51:27Speaker 3: takes you somewhere. And then when you're back, you realize
- 51:30Speaker 3: you ain't shit. Just get all that ego stuff out
- 51:33Speaker 3: of your system, relax, and just be appreciative and enjoy life.
- 51:37Speaker 3: And try to spread as much positivity as you can.
- 51:40Speaker 3: That's what you're here for. Do your best at everything
- 51:42Speaker 3: you do. That's what you're here for.
- 51:44Speaker 5: And how do you find yourself doing that once you're
- 51:46Speaker 5: not on it? The incorporation of it into your life.
- 51:50Speaker 3: Just remember. There's profound moments where I think change you forever.
- 51:57Speaker 3: And those, if you can hold on to them. Some
- 51:59Speaker 3: people don't hold on to them. But it's a matter
- 52:01Speaker 3: of intention, right? It's a matter of what are you
- 52:02Speaker 3: trying to do? You're trying to be better at life. Well,
- 52:05Speaker 3: if you're trying to be better at life, you can
- 52:06Speaker 3: hold on to it. If you're not, if you're just
- 52:08Speaker 3: trying to like be the man or, you know, get
- 52:12Speaker 3: all the accolades or, you know, win a fucking Grammy
- 52:15Speaker 3: or whatever you're trying to do. Like if that's your
- 52:17Speaker 3: real goal, like you're going to get lost because it's
- 52:19Speaker 3: a shitty goal.
- 52:20Speaker 5: How old were you when you took a hallucinogen for
- 52:22Speaker 5: the first time?
- 52:23Speaker 3: 30.
- 52:23Speaker 5: I was 13. Whoa.
- 52:25Speaker 3: So that's a little too early. I wouldn't recommend that.
- 52:28Speaker 5: I wouldn't recommend it either, but it changed my life.
- 52:32Speaker 5: And I had, by the way, I took it twice
- 52:33Speaker 5: in a 24-hour period.
- 52:35Speaker 7: Whoa.
- 52:35Speaker 5: So I took it 13, had the greatest trip ever,
- 52:38Speaker 5: like still affected by it.
- 52:40Speaker 3: Wow.
- 52:41Speaker 5: And then I took it again that night and went
- 52:43Speaker 5: to hell.
- 52:44Speaker 3: Oh, no.
- 52:45Speaker 5: I don't know.
- 52:45Speaker 3: You got cocky.
- 52:47Speaker 5: No.
- 52:49Speaker 3: No. Psychedelics want to bring you down a notch.
- 52:51Speaker 5: It just did what it did. It did.
- 52:53Speaker 3: It did.
- 52:54Speaker 5: And I truly believe that psychedelics, I don't do psychedelics anymore,
- 52:57Speaker 5: but I think I did. But I do breath work.
- 53:00Speaker 5: I do shit like that. And you go, can you
- 53:01Speaker 5: get there? And I go, yeah. I've had some of
- 53:03Speaker 5: the most amazing hallucinations I've ever had, most profound hallucinations
- 53:07Speaker 5: I've ever had. Holotropic breathing, breath work with Laird going off.
- 53:12Speaker 5: And if you do it long enough, you just reach
- 53:13Speaker 5: a place. Or if you're in a sauna at 240
- 53:15Speaker 5: degrees for an hour doing breath work, you're going to
- 53:18Speaker 5: go places.
- 53:19Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Sensor deprivation tank, you don't need anything.
- 53:23Speaker 3: You trip balls. If they could give you in a
- 53:26Speaker 3: pill form what the experience you get from a sensory
- 53:29Speaker 3: deprivation tank, it would be a very popular drug.
- 53:31Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 53:31Speaker 3: And it's completely safe.
- 53:33Speaker 5: And a productive drug.
- 53:34Speaker 3: Yes, very productive.
- 53:35Speaker 5: So there's sensory, you say the sensory deprivation tank, but
- 53:39Speaker 5: I just saw, you can see it online or whatever,
- 53:41Speaker 5: where people literally put a thing, they go into a
- 53:44Speaker 5: room and there's silence. It's not like a, you know,
- 53:47Speaker 5: where they don't talk, a meditation retreat or whatever. But
- 53:49Speaker 5: they literally go into a room by themselves. They don't
- 53:52Speaker 5: see anybody else. They put a thick mask on and
- 53:55Speaker 5: they're in for four days, five days. Have you seen that?
- 53:58Speaker 3: I have heard of people doing stuff like that. Yeah.
- 54:00Speaker 5: What about that?
- 54:01Speaker 3: Well, I think being alone with your thoughts is uncomfortable
- 54:04Speaker 3: for people. And I think a lot of people avoid that.
- 54:06Speaker 3: They avoid really thinking. And you're forced to really think,
- 54:10Speaker 3: you know, when you're in those sort of situations. You're
- 54:12Speaker 3: forced to be alone with your thoughts, you know.
- 54:15Speaker 5: Scary.
- 54:16Speaker 3: Well, we're always distracted. We're distracted by people and devices
- 54:20Speaker 3: and input and news and social media. And there's like
- 54:23Speaker 3: constantly stuff coming in. And sometimes you don't, like, how
- 54:28Speaker 3: do I feel about everything? Like, do I even know?
- 54:30Speaker 3: Have I ever really considered things? Like, you need time alone.
- 54:33Speaker 3: You need time to think. You know, that's what I
- 54:36Speaker 3: really like about, that's why I work out by myself.
- 54:39Speaker 3: That's why I like to.
- 54:40Speaker 5: You work out by yourself? Yeah.
- 54:42Speaker 3: You don't like having a trainer? I mean, I've had
- 54:45Speaker 3: a lot of trainers. I appreciate them for technical advice
- 54:49Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But this is a meditative aspect
- 54:51Speaker 3: of working out by myself that I think is very important.
- 54:54Speaker 3: It's also discipline. It's easy to go somewhere and the
- 54:58Speaker 3: guy tells you, okay, 10 reps. But I write my
- 55:01Speaker 3: own workouts out.
- 55:02Speaker 5: Based on that day.
- 55:03Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I know what I want to do. I'm
- 55:06Speaker 3: pretty good at it.
- 55:07Speaker 5: It's funny. I haven't heard many people say that. And
- 55:11Speaker 5: it's not just some bullshit like affectation, rebellious thing. When
- 55:15Speaker 5: I'm with it, and I appreciate trainers too, and I've
- 55:17Speaker 5: worked with some great trainers, but they make me want
- 55:21Speaker 5: to do less. Why? You know, they go, do 10.
- 55:25Speaker 5: And I go, but why?
- 55:26Speaker 3: Oh, no, you're one of those guys.
- 55:27Speaker 5: I'm one of those assholes. I'm one of those assholes.
- 55:31Speaker 6: Why?
- 55:31Speaker 5: But I will actually push myself. If, say, 12, just
- 55:35Speaker 5: for a random word, a random number, 12 is my limit.
- 55:39Speaker 5: I'm good at pushing myself to 15. Or Jeff Cavallari,
- 55:42Speaker 5: do you know who that is? No. AthleanX.
- 55:45Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I've heard of that guy, yeah.
- 55:46Speaker 5: Super smart guy.
- 55:47Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 55:47Speaker 5: And we would go back and forth, and I'd be like, look,
- 55:49Speaker 5: if I'm at my last three reps, why do we
- 55:54Speaker 5: have to rest for two minutes? Like, who said that?
- 55:56Speaker 5: Who made that up? Is it really a recovery thing,
- 55:58Speaker 5: two minutes before you can go back into 12 more reps?
- 56:01Speaker 5: What if we just rest 30 seconds, and then you're
- 56:03Speaker 5: right back into– That thing almost immediately, and those are
- 56:07Speaker 5: the things that are tearing the tissues and growing the
- 56:10Speaker 5: muscle and all that kind of stuff. So just experimenting
- 56:13Speaker 5: with it all. Again, this all goes back down to
- 56:15Speaker 5: what we watched of, like, what are we doing to
- 56:18Speaker 5: just live a little more vividly? How are we pushing ourselves?
- 56:22Speaker 5: How are we changing our perception? How are we pushing
- 56:24Speaker 5: our perception?
- 56:25Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what you're trying to do, right?
- 56:27Speaker 3: If you're just trying to get, like, conditioned, yeah, give
- 56:29Speaker 3: yourself the minimal amount of rest and do it for
- 56:31Speaker 3: as long as possible.
- 56:32Speaker 2: Right.
- 56:33Speaker 3: Take time off afterwards for your body to heal and
- 56:35Speaker 3: then get back after it.
- 56:37Speaker 5: It's just a base.
- 56:37Speaker 3: But it depends on what you're trying to do. If
- 56:38Speaker 3: you're trying to get strong, I always recommend taking out
- 56:43Speaker 3: long periods of time in between sets. I take like
- 56:46Speaker 3: five minutes, maybe even more, in between sets.
- 56:48Speaker 5: To come back in at your strongest. Yeah, but I
- 56:51Speaker 5: have long workouts.
- 56:52Speaker 3: My workout's like two hours sometimes, two and a half hours,
- 56:55Speaker 3: because I have these long breaks in between. But because
- 56:57Speaker 3: of that, it's, you know, Pavel Tatsulini is?
- 57:00Speaker 5: No.
- 57:00Speaker 3: He's one of the godfathers of kettlebells. He's one of
- 57:04Speaker 3: the first people that introduced kettlebells to America from Russia.
- 57:07Speaker 3: And their philosophy, his strong first philosophy is that strength
- 57:12Speaker 3: is a skill and you don't work on a skill
- 57:14Speaker 3: when you're tired. So it's all about how many repetitions
- 57:17Speaker 3: you do. And that's what builds strength. So it doesn't
- 57:21Speaker 3: mean you have to do 10 in a row. Like
- 57:23Speaker 3: say if 10 is your max, say if you pick
- 57:25Speaker 3: up a weight and you could do 10 cleans and presses.
- 57:27Speaker 3: And on the 10th one, you're like, his philosophy is
- 57:31Speaker 3: do five, do five, wait a long time, do another five.
- 57:36Speaker 3: So you've got the 10 end, but you've got the
- 57:37Speaker 3: 10 end with perfect form.
- 57:39Speaker 5: Right.
- 57:39Speaker 3: And then you're still getting the same amount of repetitions,
- 57:41Speaker 3: but you're not breaking yourself down to the point where
- 57:44Speaker 3: you might get hurt or where you're doing it incorrectly
- 57:47Speaker 3: or form. So that's how I talked.
- 57:49Speaker 5: I talked to me too. I talked to my wife
- 57:51Speaker 5: a lot about that. My wife would say, because I got,
- 57:54Speaker 5: I'm all about form.
- 57:55Speaker 2: Yes.
- 57:56Speaker 5: Because otherwise you just get hurt.
- 57:57Speaker 3: And what's the fucking point?
- 57:58Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 57:58Speaker 3: I rarely get hurt from lifting weights.
- 58:00Speaker 5: Have you ever gotten hurt in jujitsu?
- 58:02Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
- 58:03Speaker 5: A lot. Everybody tears and pops.
- 58:05Speaker 3: Yeah. I've had surgeries and fucking bulging discs and torn
- 58:11Speaker 3: this and torn that. Yeah. You have to. It's a
- 58:14Speaker 3: sport where you're trying to kill each other. It's true.
- 58:20Speaker 3: You try to get really good at killing people with
- 58:22Speaker 3: your body. So other people are doing that to you.
- 58:24Speaker 5: I had sciatica for a year and a half. Bad sciatica.
- 58:29Speaker 5: Nine millimeter slip between L5 and S1. How'd you get
- 58:34Speaker 5: rid of it? And they wanted to do surgery. And
- 58:36Speaker 5: I had had surgery when I was really young because
- 58:39Speaker 5: I had a slipped disc between C5 and C6. And
- 58:42Speaker 5: they took out part of my hip and they went
- 58:43Speaker 5: in through my neck. They moved everything over and they
- 58:45Speaker 5: replaced my disc with part of my hip. back when
- 58:49Speaker 5: they used to do that.
- 58:50Speaker 3: They used to replace your disc with part of your hip?
- 58:52Speaker 5: Yeah, they would chisel out a part of your hip.
- 58:55Speaker 3: Like a bone?
- 58:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 58:56Speaker 3: And that's what your disc was now?
- 58:58Speaker 5: A piece of bone? It is now.
- 59:00Speaker 3: That doesn't even make sense. Your disc is supposed to
- 59:02Speaker 3: be spongy.
- 59:03Speaker 5: I know. I don't understand why.
- 59:04Speaker 3: They put a piece of bone in there?
- 59:06Speaker 5: Yeah, and it worked.
- 59:07Speaker 2: Really?
- 59:07Speaker 5: It actually worked, yeah. Dr.
- 59:08Speaker 3: Delamorter.
- 59:09Speaker 2: Wow.
- 59:10Speaker 5: Never forget his name. Jesus.
- 59:13Speaker 2: So, yeah.
- 59:14Speaker 5: And then they used cadaver bone for a while, and
- 59:16Speaker 5: now they use what?
- 59:17Speaker 3: Well, it depends. There's artificial discs. I know a couple
- 59:21Speaker 3: people that have artificial discs.
- 59:23Speaker 2: And it worked.
- 59:23Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Eddie got it done in his lower back.
- 59:26Speaker 3: He was basically bone on bone, constant inflammation. So he
- 59:29Speaker 3: got a titanium articulating disc in his back.
- 59:32Speaker 7: What is this?
- 59:33Speaker 3: Surgeon may take a small piece of bone from the
- 59:35Speaker 3: hip called an autograft to use in a neck surgery
- 59:37Speaker 3: called interior cervical disectomy and fusion. The bone is placed
- 59:40Speaker 3: between the space between the vertebrae to stimulate bone healing
- 59:43Speaker 3: and promote fusion. Oh, so you got your neck fused.
- 59:46Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 59:46Speaker 5: They call it a Brolin graft.
- 59:48Speaker 3: Oh, really?
- 59:49Speaker 2: No. Hey. Hey.
- 59:52Speaker 3: Wow. So that's different. You got your hip, your neck fused.
- 59:56Speaker 5: Fused.
- 59:57Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 59:57Speaker 5: Which they probably don't even do fusion.
- 59:59Speaker 2: They do.
- 59:59Speaker 5: They still do fusion. Well, if it's a massive break
- 1:00:02Speaker 5: or something like that, maybe.
- 1:00:03Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't recommend it. There's other ways you can
- 1:00:06Speaker 3: heal bulging discs. And one of them is there's a
- 1:00:10Speaker 3: process called Regenikine. And Regenikine is, I had that done
- 1:00:14Speaker 3: in L.A., in Santa Monica, California. They used to do
- 1:00:17Speaker 3: it in Germany. You used to have to go to
- 1:00:19Speaker 3: Germany to do it. And like Kobe Bryant went over
- 1:00:20Speaker 3: there and Peyton Manning went over there. And what they
- 1:00:23Speaker 3: do is they take your blood out. It's like platelet-rich plasma,
- 1:00:26Speaker 3: but it's a more advanced version of it. And they
- 1:00:30Speaker 3: spin your blood in the centrifuge and they add some
- 1:00:32Speaker 3: stuff to it. And it turns it into like one
- 1:00:34Speaker 3: of the most potent anti-inflammatories. And then what they do
- 1:00:37Speaker 3: is you lie down there and they inject it in
- 1:00:39Speaker 3: your back. They have like these little needles. I think
- 1:00:41Speaker 3: there's an Instagram post of me getting it done on
- 1:00:44Speaker 3: my lower back.
- 1:00:45Speaker 5: Did you have a slipped disc in your lower back?
- 1:00:47Speaker 3: Bulging.
- 1:00:48Speaker 5: Bulging.
- 1:00:49Speaker 3: It's essentially a bulging disc, but it can go back.
- 1:00:52Speaker 3: Bulging disc can go back.
- 1:00:53Speaker 5: That was my experience.
- 1:00:54Speaker 3: You also have to have traction, like decompression. So there's
- 1:00:59Speaker 3: a bunch. There it is. So that's my back.
- 1:01:01Speaker 5: I had that done.
- 1:01:02Speaker 3: So they take that and they stick all that shit.
- 1:01:05Speaker 5: And they drill that, don't they? They just put holes. No,
- 1:01:08Speaker 5: it's just needles. I know it's needles, but it's not
- 1:01:11Speaker 5: like acupuncture. They actually drill that. Then they put the
- 1:01:14Speaker 5: needle in, don't they?
- 1:01:15Speaker 2: No.
- 1:01:16Speaker 3: No, they just shove that needle in place. It's just
- 1:01:18Speaker 3: like a syringe.
- 1:01:19Speaker 5: On each side of your spinal column, right?
- 1:01:20Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:01:21Speaker 3: It's like a syringe. And then inside the syringe, they
- 1:01:24Speaker 3: pump in the Regenikine stuff. Yeah. And then it... It
- 1:01:27Speaker 3: fills those areas up with this platelet-rich plasma that's been enhanced,
- 1:01:33Speaker 3: and it just heals everything.
- 1:01:34Speaker 5: And did you feel like it helped?
- 1:01:36Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, absolutely. It helped my neck so much. My
- 1:01:39Speaker 3: neck was so fucked.
- 1:01:41Speaker 5: Jacked.
- 1:01:41Speaker 3: My neck was so fucked I was getting numb fingers
- 1:01:43Speaker 3: and pain in my elbow.
- 1:01:45Speaker 5: I have that now.
- 1:01:46Speaker 3: Do you really?
- 1:01:46Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:01:47Speaker 3: You should go to that place.
- 1:01:49Speaker 5: Yeah, and when I ride motorcycles also, I have my
- 1:01:51Speaker 5: hands up like that. I mean, I have shoulder issues.
- 1:01:54Speaker 5: But I have a, that slip disc was a nine
- 1:01:56Speaker 5: millimeter slip.
- 1:01:57Speaker 3: Why do you like to do this? Why not do this?
- 1:01:59Speaker 3: Why this?
- 1:02:00Speaker 5: Because that looks cooler.
- 1:02:02Speaker 2: Does it?
- 1:02:02Speaker 3: Not to me.
- 1:02:03Speaker 5: It looks super cool when you're doing it right now.
- 1:02:06Speaker 3: This looks retarded. This looks good. This looks like you
- 1:02:09Speaker 3: can avoid things.
- 1:02:09Speaker 5: Put it up super high. You can move around. Put
- 1:02:11Speaker 5: it up super high.
- 1:02:11Speaker 3: This is like.
- 1:02:12Speaker 5: That looks retarded.
- 1:02:13Speaker 3: When you have to turn.
- 1:02:14Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:02:14Speaker 3: Like how are you going to turn like that? You're
- 1:02:15Speaker 3: not going to do a good job.
- 1:02:16Speaker 5: You look like a gorilla.
- 1:02:17Speaker 3: This is better.
- 1:02:18Speaker 5: This is better. What about that? This is better. What
- 1:02:20Speaker 5: about this?
- 1:02:21Speaker 3: Well, Ducatis. I mean, that's like you're down like this, right?
- 1:02:24Speaker 5: That's when I finally crashed was a Ducati. Oh, really?
- 1:02:27Speaker 3: You went crazy?
- 1:02:27Speaker 5: No, I didn't go crazy. I didn't do anything differently.
- 1:02:30Speaker 5: With parlies, you go slower.
- 1:02:32Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:02:32Speaker 5: You ride.
- 1:02:33Speaker 3: And it's loud, so people know you're there. Thank you.
- 1:02:37Speaker 5: That's a big one.
- 1:02:38Speaker 3: It's huge. They have electric bikes now. I'm like, do
- 1:02:40Speaker 3: you want to die?
- 1:02:40Speaker 5: They're fast.
- 1:02:41Speaker 3: They're so fast. But do you want to die? They're
- 1:02:43Speaker 3: super fast. Nobody can hear you.
- 1:02:45Speaker 5: If I'm riding in a grid of 16 guys, because
- 1:02:49Speaker 5: everybody thinks Hells Angels. I go, there's nothing about it
- 1:02:52Speaker 5: that's trying to emulate Hells Angels, Mongols, any of that,
- 1:02:55Speaker 5: you know, one percenter thing. But when you hear that
- 1:02:58Speaker 5: rumble coming down the road, you can't wait to get
- 1:03:01Speaker 5: the fuck out of the way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- 1:03:04Speaker 3: And that helps us. That definitely helps you stay alive.
- 1:03:06Speaker 5: Yeah, man.
- 1:03:07Speaker 3: Yeah, loud pipes save lives. I've heard that many times.
- 1:03:10Speaker 5: So to finish that thought, what I did was is
- 1:03:13Speaker 5: I went to, I started, instead of resting, which is
- 1:03:18Speaker 5: what doctors normally say, they say do surgery, do surgery, rest, sleep,
- 1:03:22Speaker 5: see if that helps. If it doesn't help, do surgery.
- 1:03:25Speaker 5: And I did the opposite, which later, you know, Laird
- 1:03:27Speaker 5: was like, anytime you get hurt, Laird will be like movement, movement, movement, movement.
- 1:03:32Speaker 5: But this was before all that. But I started working out.
- 1:03:35Speaker 5: And it got worse and it got worse and it
- 1:03:38Speaker 5: got worse. But I continued to work out and I
- 1:03:40Speaker 5: started running and I started doing pistol squats and all
- 1:03:42Speaker 5: this kind of shit. And then one day it was
- 1:03:45Speaker 5: gone and I never came back.
- 1:03:47Speaker 6: Really?
- 1:03:47Speaker 5: Never came back.
- 1:03:48Speaker 3: So you just beat it out of you.
- 1:03:49Speaker 5: I beat it out of me. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:03:52Speaker 3: Movement is everything. You need circulation.
- 1:03:54Speaker 5: You need blood in there, which is why they do PRP,
- 1:03:57Speaker 5: which is why they do stem cell work or whatever.
- 1:03:59Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you're just sitting there, the problem is
- 1:04:02Speaker 3: you're also going to, your body's going to atrophy. You're
- 1:04:05Speaker 3: going to lose strength, and then it's going to make
- 1:04:07Speaker 3: whatever injured that area in the first place is.
- 1:04:10Speaker 5: Probably a lack of strength. But that was always promoted
- 1:04:11Speaker 5: by doctors. Why would that always be promoted by doctors? Again,
- 1:04:14Speaker 5: whether it's politicians or whether it's doctors or whether it's–
- 1:04:16Speaker 5: they're telling you this is– You got to eat from
- 1:04:19Speaker 5: the four food groups, man.
- 1:04:20Speaker 3: You're going to die otherwise. Well, you know, there's a
- 1:04:24Speaker 3: lot to that stuff. But, you know, the four food
- 1:04:27Speaker 3: group shit is a lot of it is people just
- 1:04:29Speaker 3: not knowing what the fuck they're talking about. That's what
- 1:04:31Speaker 3: I mean. And also there's a different perception back then
- 1:04:35Speaker 3: of like what was healthy versus now. But it's also
- 1:04:37Speaker 3: a lot of these doctors, they're not athletes. And they
- 1:04:40Speaker 3: don't really understand like what's possible with the body. They
- 1:04:44Speaker 3: just know how to fix things when they break. And
- 1:04:46Speaker 3: then for the average person, they say just rest. Because
- 1:04:49Speaker 3: the average person is not going to fucking do what
- 1:04:51Speaker 3: you're doing anyway. So it's like why tell them? Like
- 1:04:54Speaker 3: what you really need to do is movement, constant movement,
- 1:04:56Speaker 3: and just beat that injury into submission.
- 1:04:58Speaker 5: That's right.
- 1:04:59Speaker 3: And no one's going to tell you that.
- 1:05:00Speaker 5: How do I feel better? Lose some weight.
- 1:05:02Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:05:02Speaker 5: Like go do that uncomfortable thing. Start walking.
- 1:05:06Speaker 2: Start slow.
- 1:05:07Speaker 5: Maybe jog a little bit. Maybe lift a little something.
- 1:05:09Speaker 5: That's why when you see those videos of these guys
- 1:05:11Speaker 5: that just, For whatever is in their personality, they've had
- 1:05:15Speaker 5: fucking enough. They're 400 pounds, and they go, that's it.
- 1:05:18Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
- 1:05:18Speaker 5: Buck stops here. Yep. I'm going to start doing my shit.
- 1:05:21Speaker 3: Yeah, they hit rock bottom.
- 1:05:22Speaker 5: They hit rock bottom.
- 1:05:23Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:05:23Speaker 5: And then you see this, again, what we were talking
- 1:05:25Speaker 5: about before, incentive, where they just go, I don't give
- 1:05:27Speaker 5: a shit.
- 1:05:28Speaker 3: Well, isn't that the same with everything? Like, isn't that
- 1:05:30Speaker 3: how you quit drinking? You just hit rock bottom?
- 1:05:32Speaker 5: I was just about to say that.
- 1:05:33Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 1:05:33Speaker 5: Yeah, but you don't. I hit rock bottom when I
- 1:05:35Speaker 5: was 15. I was shooting coke at 15. Jeez. So- Yeah,
- 1:05:40Speaker 5: the thing that you didn't want to try. I did
- 1:05:42Speaker 5: want to try. But that was that group. That's why
- 1:05:44Speaker 5: so many of those guys died.
- 1:05:45Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
- 1:05:46Speaker 5: So when I look at Hunter S. Thompson, who I
- 1:05:50Speaker 5: love as a writer, when I look at Dylan Thomas,
- 1:05:52Speaker 5: who I love as a writer, and all these guys
- 1:05:53Speaker 5: that had this kind of amazing life, and I feel, too, parallel.
- 1:05:57Speaker 5: I had an amazing life, except nobody cared about mine.
- 1:06:00Speaker 5: People really cared about theirs. I was just Josh that
- 1:06:03Speaker 5: you wanted to stay the fuck away from. We're like,
- 1:06:06Speaker 5: that motherfucker's great to spend like an hour with. And
- 1:06:09Speaker 5: then once it hits 10 o'clock and the moon comes
- 1:06:11Speaker 5: out and the clouds part, you don't want to be
- 1:06:14Speaker 5: anywhere around. Yeah. But then you get to that point
- 1:06:18Speaker 5: where you go, when did Hunter S. Thompson, when did
- 1:06:20Speaker 5: these guys just become like some kind of clown mask
- 1:06:26Speaker 5: of themselves? Right. Do you know what I mean?
- 1:06:28Speaker 3: Well, in the end, Hunter was definitely that. Did you
- 1:06:31Speaker 3: ever see when Hunter was on Conan O'Brien's show?
- 1:06:33Speaker 5: No.
- 1:06:34Speaker 3: It was horrible. He could barely talk. You barely could
- 1:06:36Speaker 3: understand him.
- 1:06:38Speaker 5: Everything was mumbling.
- 1:06:39Speaker 3: It was real weird. And, you know, he got in
- 1:06:43Speaker 3: a gunfight with his fucking neighbors. He was, like, shooting
- 1:06:45Speaker 3: at his neighbors.
- 1:06:46Speaker 5: That's what I mean. It's at what point does it turn.
- 1:06:48Speaker 3: He was a full-on drunk. But it wasn't just that.
- 1:06:51Speaker 3: His body was, like, rapidly deteriorating. He had hip replacement surgery.
- 1:06:55Speaker 3: And he was only 67, I think. That's not old, man. No,
- 1:07:00Speaker 3: not that old.
- 1:07:00Speaker 5: That's young.
- 1:07:01Speaker 3: Not that old for what? How old are you?
- 1:07:02Speaker 5: 57.
- 1:07:02Speaker 2: I'm 56.
- 1:07:02Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 1:07:03Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:07:05Speaker 5: Like my mom died at 55. The whole thing this
- 1:07:07Speaker 5: book became was my mom dying at 55 and me
- 1:07:10Speaker 5: thinking back then she lived a nice long life.
- 1:07:13Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
- 1:07:14Speaker 5: It's fucking crazy. And then it turned out that I
- 1:07:17Speaker 5: was 55 when I wrote the book, which had never even,
- 1:07:19Speaker 5: the book kind of dictated itself. And then I went,
- 1:07:22Speaker 5: holy fuck, I'm 55. Wow. I'm super young.
- 1:07:26Speaker 3: I'm fucking super young.
- 1:07:29Speaker 5: Like this, I have some joint issues, but I'm young
- 1:07:32Speaker 5: for the most part.
- 1:07:33Speaker 3: For the most part. Yeah, you're physically healthy. You're not
- 1:07:35Speaker 3: falling apart. You just have a few issues, which is
- 1:07:38Speaker 3: just wear and tear of life.
- 1:07:39Speaker 5: That's it.
- 1:07:40Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's some people that if you don't take
- 1:07:43Speaker 3: care of yourself and you don't eat well, and there's
- 1:07:46Speaker 3: also a lot of other factors, genetic factors, but you
- 1:07:49Speaker 3: could fall apart pretty quick. But if you're a guy
- 1:07:50Speaker 3: like Hunter that's doing coke and drinking every night, You
- 1:07:54Speaker 3: can't do that.
- 1:07:54Speaker 5: No, you can't.
- 1:07:55Speaker 3: And the writing was bad. The only time he wrote
- 1:07:58Speaker 3: anything good in later years was 2001, right after 9-11.
- 1:08:03Speaker 3: Right after 9-11, he wrote this great piece. I want
- 1:08:05Speaker 3: to say it was like for Sports Illustrated. I forget
- 1:08:08Speaker 3: who he wrote it for, but he wrote this really
- 1:08:11Speaker 3: great piece talking about what happens next after the Twin
- 1:08:14Speaker 3: Towers fall. It's like he wrote this thing about waking
- 1:08:17Speaker 3: up in the morning... Seeing the Twin Towers fall and
- 1:08:20Speaker 3: then realizing what's ahead for us.
- 1:08:23Speaker 5: Right.
- 1:08:24Speaker 3: It was very pressing. It was very good. It was very...
- 1:08:27Speaker 3: Was it accurate?
- 1:08:28Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:08:28Speaker 5: I mean, now that it's been... It was dead on.
- 1:08:30Speaker 3: It was dead on. And it was vintage Hunter. It's
- 1:08:33Speaker 3: like he tapped back into it again.
- 1:08:35Speaker 5: It's on ESPN.
- 1:08:37Speaker 3: ESPN. That's it.
- 1:08:39Speaker 5: ESPN. This is the article?
- 1:08:41Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the article.
- 1:08:42Speaker 5: Would you send me this article if it's an article article?
- 1:08:44Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll send it to you.
- 1:08:45Speaker 5: I would love that.
- 1:08:46Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:08:47Speaker 5: This is.
- 1:08:48Speaker 3: you know, this is the whole thing.
- 1:08:50Speaker 5: I mean, what's so great is when you go, I mean,
- 1:08:53Speaker 5: this is kind of popping all over the place, but
- 1:08:55Speaker 5: when you go back and you look at all the politicians,
- 1:08:58Speaker 5: whatever side, you know, whatever, whatever red, blue they lean toward,
- 1:09:04Speaker 5: it didn't matter because Hunter was there kind of looking
- 1:09:07Speaker 5: for something different and it wasn't all about him. When
- 1:09:09Speaker 5: it came down, they all describe Hunter as this like crazy.
- 1:09:13Speaker 5: It was so much fun to hang out with him.
- 1:09:15Speaker 5: But there was never a lack of he was super intelligent.
- 1:09:18Speaker 3: Yes.
- 1:09:18Speaker 5: And wanted the best for everybody.
- 1:09:20Speaker 3: He was a real patriot.
- 1:09:22Speaker 5: He was a true patriot.
- 1:09:24Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:09:24Speaker 3: Did you ever read Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail?
- 1:09:26Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:09:26Speaker 3: That's one of the more interesting pieces because you got
- 1:09:29Speaker 3: this guy who's following around the campaign trail and he
- 1:09:32Speaker 3: knows he's only in it for this one time. So
- 1:09:34Speaker 3: he's not like any of these other reporters. He's just
- 1:09:36Speaker 3: writing a book.
- 1:09:37Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:09:37Speaker 3: What are you going to do? Fire him? Yeah, exactly.
- 1:09:40Speaker 3: And not only that, you can't because he's going to
- 1:09:41Speaker 3: write a book. He's writing a book. You can't fire him.
- 1:09:44Speaker 5: Whether you like it or not.
- 1:09:44Speaker 3: Yeah, whether you like it or not, he's writing that book.
- 1:09:46Speaker 3: But he's dropping acid. He's talking to these guys into drinking.
- 1:09:50Speaker 3: He's taking all these fucking nerdy political reporters and he's
- 1:09:54Speaker 3: introducing them to a perspective that they're not aware of.
- 1:09:58Speaker 3: They don't know anybody like that. And the book is
- 1:10:01Speaker 3: fucking incredible. But when you.
- 1:10:02Speaker 5: See Gonzo, when you see... It's funny how much we're
- 1:10:05Speaker 5: talking about Hunter S.
- 1:10:05Speaker 6: Thompson.
- 1:10:06Speaker 5: But when you see Gonzo... I don't know if it
- 1:10:08Speaker 5: was in Gonzo or another documentary. You see how they're
- 1:10:11Speaker 5: affected by it. You see a humanity in them because
- 1:10:14Speaker 5: of him that you don't normally get to see. Right.
- 1:10:17Speaker 5: Don't you agree?
- 1:10:17Speaker 3: Yes.
- 1:10:18Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:10:18Speaker 3: He made you question a lot of things.
- 1:10:20Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:10:21Speaker 3: And when people question things, they're like, what am I doing?
- 1:10:24Speaker 5: Yeah. Why am I here? What is my purpose? Or
- 1:10:26Speaker 5: did I have a purpose when I was young and
- 1:10:28Speaker 5: I just fell into this political status quo?
- 1:10:30Speaker 3: And he even was questioning, like in the documentary, he
- 1:10:34Speaker 3: was like, I don't even know what people want anymore.
- 1:10:36Speaker 3: Do they want Hunter S. Thompson or do they want Gonzo?
- 1:10:38Speaker 3: It's not even me anymore. It's like I'm a prisoner
- 1:10:41Speaker 3: of this thing that I've created.
- 1:10:42Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:10:43Speaker 3: And that's the thing that happens to people where they
- 1:10:45Speaker 3: develop this sort of image and persona.
- 1:10:48Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:10:48Speaker 3: And then you feel like you're trapped by it.
- 1:10:51Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:10:51Speaker 3: People have expectations when they meet you.
- 1:10:53Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
- 1:10:53Speaker 3: Kennison talked about that.
- 1:10:55Speaker 5: Did you know Kennison? No.
- 1:10:56Speaker 7: I did.
- 1:10:57Speaker 5: Unfortunately.
- 1:10:58Speaker 3: Did you?
- 1:10:58Speaker 5: I did. No shit.
- 1:10:59Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:11:00Speaker 5: And not because of drugs, just because I was around.
- 1:11:03Speaker 3: What year was this? When did he die? 90-ish, 92 maybe.
- 1:11:09Speaker 3: I was in New York, so it had to be pre-94.
- 1:11:13Speaker 5: Probably 90.
- 1:11:14Speaker 3: Somewhere around then.
- 1:11:15Speaker 5: I would say 90, I knew him. 90, 91. It
- 1:11:18Speaker 5: was through a friend that I met him, and then
- 1:11:20Speaker 5: he liked me.
- 1:11:21Speaker 3: Wow.
- 1:11:22Speaker 5: And sweet, incredibly sweet guy.
- 1:11:25Speaker 3: He was a motherfucker, dude.
- 1:11:26Speaker 6: Mother.
- 1:11:27Speaker 3: We just got a this guy does bottle cap art.
- 1:11:30Speaker 3: Go to my Instagram, Jamie, and see that photo. This
- 1:11:32Speaker 3: guy just made this insane bottle cap art piece of
- 1:11:36Speaker 3: Kinison for my comedy club. And we put it up
- 1:11:39Speaker 3: last night.
- 1:11:40Speaker 5: Is he a hero of yours?
- 1:11:41Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. He was one of the first. That's all
- 1:11:46Speaker 3: bottle caps.
- 1:11:47Speaker 5: Oh, no shit. Yeah.
- 1:11:48Speaker 3: Those are bottle caps. Wow, man. Yeah.
- 1:11:51Speaker 5: That's like in prison when they use they use cigarette
- 1:11:54Speaker 5: packs and do. Patricia Arquette gave me a piece of
- 1:11:57Speaker 5: art with a bunch of cigarette packs put together. Oh, really? Yeah,
- 1:12:00Speaker 5: they make frames. That was it.
- 1:12:02Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
- 1:12:03Speaker 5: Same kind of thing.
- 1:12:04Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy, his name is Jam Bottle Cap Art,
- 1:12:08Speaker 3: J-A-M Bottle Cap Art. He does a bunch of different
- 1:12:10Speaker 3: pieces of bottle cap art. Yeah, he's really good. It's really,
- 1:12:14Speaker 3: really cool stuff.
- 1:12:15Speaker 5: You need my picture outside. I saw all your mug shots.
- 1:12:18Speaker 3: I'd love to have a mug shot of you.
- 1:12:20Speaker 5: I'll send you.
- 1:12:21Speaker 2: Is it good?
- 1:12:22Speaker 3: How fucked up do you look?
- 1:12:24Speaker 5: Pretty fucked up. I got a smile on my face.
- 1:12:27Speaker 5: When somebody smiles during a mugshot, I always find that
- 1:12:29Speaker 5: really funny.
- 1:12:30Speaker 3: So when you met Kennison, was it at a show?
- 1:12:33Speaker 5: No. Oh, it might have been the Comedy Club. I'd
- 1:12:36Speaker 5: only been a few times. Sorry, Comedy Store.
- 1:12:39Speaker 3: He was out of there by then. He was out
- 1:12:41Speaker 3: of there by 90.
- 1:12:42Speaker 5: Well, what's the one down the road by where Greenblatt's.
- 1:12:44Speaker 2: Used to be?
- 1:12:45Speaker 3: Laugh Factory.
- 1:12:46Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:12:47Speaker 3: Yeah, you like those?
- 1:12:47Speaker 5: I do. I love those things. Very much.
- 1:12:50Speaker 3: The Laugh Factory.
- 1:12:50Speaker 5: The Laugh Factory. It might have been that.
- 1:12:52Speaker 3: Yeah, he got kicked out of the comedy store, I think,
- 1:12:54Speaker 3: in like 87 or 88. No, it would have been.
- 1:12:57Speaker 5: Then it wasn't there.
- 1:12:58Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably The Laugh Factory.
- 1:13:00Speaker 5: But that's not where I met him. I met him
- 1:13:01Speaker 5: at a house.
- 1:13:02Speaker 3: Okay.
- 1:13:03Speaker 5: I met him at a house, and I never went
- 1:13:04Speaker 5: to a lot of those parties. I was just not
- 1:13:07Speaker 5: part of that. Sam wasn't invited. But I met him,
- 1:13:11Speaker 5: and he was really sweet, man. He would like mellow out.
- 1:13:16Speaker 5: It wasn't like a thing. It wasn't an act all
- 1:13:18Speaker 5: the time. Right.
- 1:13:19Speaker 3: But he was a prisoner to that thing that he became.
- 1:13:23Speaker 5: For sure. Yeah.
- 1:13:24Speaker 3: His brother wrote a great book. It's called Brother Sam.
- 1:13:27Speaker 3: It's a really, really good book describing the ascent of
- 1:13:30Speaker 3: his career and how it fucked him up and what
- 1:13:32Speaker 3: happened to him.
- 1:13:33Speaker 5: And what do you think it was?
- 1:13:35Speaker 3: Drugs. Drugs and partying and just.
- 1:13:37Speaker 5: And stratospheric film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't it instantaneous for him?
- 1:13:41Speaker 2: Pretty quick.
- 1:13:42Speaker 3: So in 1986, he's on Rodney Dangerfield's Young Comedian special,
- 1:13:47Speaker 3: and then he does an insane... to this day holds
- 1:13:51Speaker 3: up uh hbo hour and then those two things and
- 1:13:55Speaker 3: then uh um an album that he made called louder
- 1:13:57Speaker 3: than hell and those those things are the best things
- 1:14:02Speaker 3: he ever does everything after that becomes like a significant
- 1:14:05Speaker 3: drop off and in the end he was basically a
- 1:14:08Speaker 3: caricature of who he used.
- 1:14:09Speaker 5: To be yeah caricature of himself exactly and.
- 1:14:11Speaker 3: He just was captured yeah but it's also imprisoned. There
- 1:14:15Speaker 3: wasn't anybody to tell you how to do it back then.
- 1:14:18Speaker 3: There was only a few like massively famous comedians back then.
- 1:14:22Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of us. It wasn't, it wasn't
- 1:14:24Speaker 3: like today. Today there's like a giant community of comedians.
- 1:14:29Speaker 3: We all talk to each other and figure it out together.
- 1:14:31Speaker 3: And everybody's just about making better stuff. It's not about
- 1:14:36Speaker 3: like getting hugely famous. The ones that just want to
- 1:14:39Speaker 3: get hugely famous, they're all mentally ill. And usually they're, they're,
- 1:14:42Speaker 3: career drops off, their comedy starts to suck. They're trying
- 1:14:46Speaker 3: to do the wrong thing. So in Kinison, in the beginning,
- 1:14:49Speaker 3: he just wanted to be the best he could be.
- 1:14:53Speaker 3: He just wanted to be really fucking good at comedy.
- 1:14:55Speaker 3: And coming from this, you know, tent preacher... So he's
- 1:14:59Speaker 3: like this revival tent preacher, and then he gets into
- 1:15:02Speaker 3: stand-up comedy, and he has this charisma and this ability
- 1:15:06Speaker 3: to deliver that's so different than everybody else. And he's
- 1:15:08Speaker 3: this short, fat guy, so when he talks about being
- 1:15:11Speaker 3: married and living in hell, he kind of like empathizes. Like,
- 1:15:14Speaker 3: this fucking guy's amazing. And revolutionized comedy, changed comedy. He
- 1:15:18Speaker 3: was the first guy that I ever saw that made
- 1:15:20Speaker 3: me think I could do comedy. Because before then, I
- 1:15:23Speaker 3: loved comedy. I always loved stand-up. But I loved it
- 1:15:26Speaker 3: because it was funny. I would just like to watch
- 1:15:28Speaker 3: Jerry Seinfeld on TV. Oh, these guys are so funny.
- 1:15:30Speaker 5: Isn't that funny because you're so different than he is,
- 1:15:32Speaker 5: and yet he was the one that you paralleled with
- 1:15:35Speaker 5: that liberated you?
- 1:15:36Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he was wild. That was the thing. I
- 1:15:39Speaker 3: never felt like I fit in. I always felt like
- 1:15:42Speaker 3: I didn't want to be around polite people. If a
- 1:15:46Speaker 3: girl wanted me to go over to her house and
- 1:15:47Speaker 3: have dinner with her parents.
- 1:15:48Speaker 5: I was like, oh, Jesus.
- 1:15:49Speaker 2: I'm fucked.
- 1:15:49Speaker 3: They're going to think I'm fucking crazy. But I was
- 1:15:52Speaker 3: a kickboxer. I was a kid who had– I went
- 1:15:56Speaker 3: from– when I was 15 years old, I got like
- 1:15:59Speaker 3: deeply involved in martial arts. My entire social life up
- 1:16:03Speaker 3: until like 21, 22 was just traveling around the country fighting.
- 1:16:07Speaker 3: And so I was feral. My mindset was just, I
- 1:16:12Speaker 3: just didn't fit in. I couldn't wear a suit jacket
- 1:16:15Speaker 3: and pretend to be the guy. Did you ever notice?
- 1:16:17Speaker 3: I wasn't that guy. Hello, sir.
- 1:16:19Speaker 5: It's great to meet you.
- 1:16:20Speaker 3: Things that I thought were funny, other people would think
- 1:16:22Speaker 3: were fucked up. But my fucked up friends would think
- 1:16:25Speaker 3: were funny. And those are the ones who talked me
- 1:16:26Speaker 3: into doing stand-up. But they were equally fucked up.
- 1:16:28Speaker 5: Did you start stand-up back then?
- 1:16:29Speaker 3: In Boston in 88. In 88?
- 1:16:30Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:16:32Speaker 5: Yeah. Right on.
- 1:16:33Speaker 3: Yeah, and I went to see Kennison in 89. I
- 1:16:37Speaker 3: got to see him live in 89. I got to
- 1:16:38Speaker 3: see him three times. One time when I was working.
- 1:16:41Speaker 5: Wow.
- 1:16:42Speaker 3: I was working at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts,
- 1:16:45Speaker 3: and he was performing there.
- 1:16:46Speaker 5: Wow.
- 1:16:47Speaker 3: And I got to see him live. I was a
- 1:16:48Speaker 3: security guard. It was this place in Mansfield. Yeah, the
- 1:16:52Speaker 3: whole Taekwondo team that I was a part of got jobs.
- 1:16:54Speaker 3: Is that what you did, Taekwondo?
- 1:16:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:16:56Speaker 5: That's what I used to compete in.
- 1:16:57Speaker 3: Oh, no kidding.
- 1:16:57Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:16:58Speaker 3: Where'd you compete out of?
- 1:16:59Speaker 5: Junchong.
- 1:17:00Speaker 3: Where was that?
- 1:17:01Speaker 5: L.A.
- 1:17:02Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, I fought in LA when I lived in Boston.
- 1:17:06Speaker 3: I fought in Anaheim in the Nationals. I traveled all
- 1:17:10Speaker 3: over the country competing. That's all I did. And one
- 1:17:14Speaker 3: of the guys who worked with us One of the
- 1:17:16Speaker 3: guys who trained with us got a job as a
- 1:17:18Speaker 3: security guard. And the guy was like, hey, do you
- 1:17:22Speaker 3: know any more guys who know how to fight? We
- 1:17:24Speaker 3: need more guys like that to work for us. They
- 1:17:26Speaker 3: just hired a bunch of us. And so we got
- 1:17:29Speaker 3: to see all these crazy concerts. I got to see
- 1:17:32Speaker 3: Bon Jovi. I got to see Bill Cosby, which was
- 1:17:34Speaker 3: kind of crazy.
- 1:17:35Speaker 5: No way.
- 1:17:36Speaker 3: I saw Rodney Dangerfield. And Rodney Dangerfield was, there was
- 1:17:39Speaker 3: this backstage area. And Rodney Dangerfield was naked with a
- 1:17:43Speaker 3: bathrobe on. And that's how he would go on stage.
- 1:17:47Speaker 3: At the end of his career, like Rodney would go,
- 1:17:49Speaker 3: and by the way, murdered. I mean, I was fucking
- 1:17:53Speaker 3: crying laughing. He was probably, I don't know how old
- 1:17:57Speaker 3: he was in 89, but he was old. And this
- 1:18:01Speaker 3: fucking guy was just on stage with a bathrobe on naked.
- 1:18:06Speaker 5: Killing it.
- 1:18:06Speaker 3: Giant hog, like hanging out of his fucking pants. And
- 1:18:10Speaker 3: he was just hanging out, smoking pot, and then he
- 1:18:13Speaker 3: would go on stage. With a bathrobe on.
- 1:18:15Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:18:15Speaker 3: And just kill. Because he wanted to be comfortable.
- 1:18:18Speaker 5: How did other comedians feel about him? Oh, they loved him.
- 1:18:21Speaker 5: They loved him. Everybody loved Rodney. Everybody loved him.
- 1:18:23Speaker 3: Rodney was one of the most universally loved comedians. Because
- 1:18:27Speaker 3: he helped other comedians.
- 1:18:28Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:18:29Speaker 3: Like Rodney Dangerfield, he did these things, the Rodney Dangerfield specials,
- 1:18:34Speaker 3: like Rodney and Friends. And so he would have... he
- 1:18:38Speaker 3: introduced the world to Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Robert Schimmel,
- 1:18:42Speaker 3: Lenny Clark, Dom Irera, like some of the greats. And
- 1:18:46Speaker 3: they all came out of his Rodney Dangerfield and Friends specials.
- 1:18:51Speaker 3: They were some of the greatest specials ever because he
- 1:18:53Speaker 3: would have all these guys that he thought were worth
- 1:18:55Speaker 3: seeing and he would put them out there to the
- 1:18:57Speaker 3: world and they all became superstars. I mean, that's how
- 1:18:59Speaker 3: Sam Kinison launched. He launched from Rodney. And so Bill Hicks,
- 1:19:03Speaker 3: a lot of people launched from Rodney. And So everybody
- 1:19:08Speaker 3: loved Rodney.
- 1:19:08Speaker 5: He was just loved. I know he's your buddy. And I,
- 1:19:11Speaker 5: you know, because comedians, I used to listen, I used
- 1:19:13Speaker 5: to have six albums and one was a bloody red vinyl.
- 1:19:17Speaker 5: Remember the Red Albums?
- 1:19:18Speaker 3: You see the Red Albums?
- 1:19:19Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, yeah. And it was sick. And I don't
- 1:19:21Speaker 5: know where I got them. I think I got them
- 1:19:23Speaker 5: from like a flea market or something. But they were
- 1:19:25Speaker 5: Lenny Bruce. Oh, yeah. And that was the beginning.
- 1:19:28Speaker 3: He was the first.
- 1:19:29Speaker 5: He was the first.
- 1:19:30Speaker 3: He was the first real modern stand-up comedian. Everybody else
- 1:19:33Speaker 3: just told jokes. Like two guys walking to a bar.
- 1:19:36Speaker 3: Like that kind of shit. He was the first guy
- 1:19:38Speaker 3: that was like, why do we do this? Why is that?
- 1:19:41Speaker 5: What is this? Where he questioned it.
- 1:19:42Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:19:43Speaker 5: Questioned authority.
- 1:19:44Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:19:44Speaker 3: And people would come to see him because in the 60s,
- 1:19:46Speaker 3: everybody was so confused as to how to think. Like, yeah,
- 1:19:50Speaker 3: what are we doing? And this guy was like this.
- 1:19:52Speaker 5: And how do we treat each other?
- 1:19:53Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
- 1:19:54Speaker 5: And he'd literally point people out and he'd go, Eve
- 1:19:57Speaker 5: and Kike and there's a Mick. Yep, yep, yep. And
- 1:19:59Speaker 5: people would go, what the fuck is he doing?
- 1:20:00Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right, right.
- 1:20:01Speaker 5: At the most tense time.
- 1:20:03Speaker 2: Yes.
- 1:20:03Speaker 5: And then he'd bring it around. And that's why it
- 1:20:05Speaker 5: reminds me of Chappelle.
- 1:20:07Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
- 1:20:07Speaker 5: Because Chappelle would get so seemingly or ostensibly inappropriate.
- 1:20:12Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
- 1:20:12Speaker 5: And then somehow bring it around. Yeah. And you go,
- 1:20:15Speaker 5: fucking genius.
- 1:20:16Speaker 3: Dave's a master.
- 1:20:17Speaker 5: Master.
- 1:20:17Speaker 3: And he's a real artist. That's a guy. Like, you know,
- 1:20:20Speaker 3: I talk about like people that only start thinking about money.
- 1:20:23Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:20:23Speaker 3: That's not him. That dude lives in fucking Springfield, Ohio
- 1:20:27Speaker 3: and just travels around and just does a lot of
- 1:20:30Speaker 3: shows for no money. He does a lot of shows
- 1:20:32Speaker 3: for no money. He just shows up and performs. One
- 1:20:35Speaker 3: time I was in Denver and I get off stage.
- 1:20:38Speaker 3: It's a second show Friday night. So it's 10 o'clock show.
- 1:20:41Speaker 3: Show's over. I get off stage. I go into the
- 1:20:43Speaker 3: green room. Dave's there. I go, Dave, what are you
- 1:20:45Speaker 3: doing here, man? He goes, oh, I thought I'd come
- 1:20:46Speaker 3: out and visit you. Just hops on a fucking private
- 1:20:49Speaker 3: jet and flies to Denver because he knew I was there.
- 1:20:52Speaker 3: Didn't even tell me. Just shows up. And then I go,
- 1:20:54Speaker 3: do you want to go on stage? He goes, oh,
- 1:20:56Speaker 3: should I? I go, fuck yeah. So I ran out
- 1:20:58Speaker 3: while the people were leaving. The show was already over.
- 1:21:00Speaker 3: I go, everybody, tell everybody on the stairs, come back.
- 1:21:03Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle's here. So they all come back in and
- 1:21:06Speaker 3: sit down again. And he does like 45 minutes. And
- 1:21:08Speaker 3: it was right around when Trump was doing– when he
- 1:21:11Speaker 3: got caught saying grab him by the pussy.
- 1:21:13Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 1:21:13Speaker 3: So he had like 10 minutes of a grab him
- 1:21:15Speaker 3: by the pussy. It was fucking genius. It was so good.
- 1:21:20Speaker 3: Off the top of his head though? Oh, no. He–
- 1:21:22Speaker 3: I mean I don't know exactly how Dave creates material.
- 1:21:25Speaker 5: How designed it is.
- 1:21:30Speaker 3: And listening to music and coming up with ideas. And
- 1:21:34Speaker 3: he writes some stuff down, but a lot of what
- 1:21:37Speaker 3: he does is just performs constantly. He's constantly on stage
- 1:21:41Speaker 3: working these things out.
- 1:21:41Speaker 5: You said it earlier, artist. He's a real artist. That's
- 1:21:44Speaker 5: the difference between somebody who's just good at what they
- 1:21:47Speaker 5: do and somebody who is an innate artist.
- 1:21:49Speaker 3: He's a real artist.
- 1:21:50Speaker 5: He's a hero of mine.
- 1:21:51Speaker 3: He's a hero of mine, too. He's a good friend.
- 1:21:53Speaker 3: But he gets these giant deals with Netflix where he
- 1:21:56Speaker 3: makes a lot of money, which is great. But he
- 1:21:59Speaker 3: doesn't do it for money. He's doing it for art.
- 1:22:02Speaker 5: No, but what you can tell is he gets these like, oh,
- 1:22:04Speaker 5: he turned down $ 50 million. He went crazy. He moved
- 1:22:07Speaker 5: to Ohio or whatever the fucking story is that you
- 1:22:09Speaker 5: want to make up. But then he comes back. He
- 1:22:11Speaker 5: makes these $ 20 million deals with Netflix. But it's never
- 1:22:17Speaker 5: in place of his agenda.
- 1:22:20Speaker 3: No, it's all about the art.
- 1:22:21Speaker 5: It's all about comedy. It's all about this wins, this wins.
- 1:22:24Speaker 5: This is the priority.
- 1:22:25Speaker 3: That's why he left his show because they were twisting it.
- 1:22:28Speaker 2: Of course.
- 1:22:28Speaker 3: Distorting it.
- 1:22:29Speaker 5: I know why he left his show because I've been
- 1:22:31Speaker 5: in that position where you go, this is turning into
- 1:22:33Speaker 5: some corporate version of what you like. You love what
- 1:22:37Speaker 5: I do. Now you can't wait to put your fingerprint
- 1:22:40Speaker 5: on it. Exactly. That's it.
- 1:22:42Speaker 3: That's exactly what it was.
- 1:22:42Speaker 5: So you can take, so you can go, you know,
- 1:22:44Speaker 5: that was me.
- 1:22:45Speaker 3: And he gave up $ 50 million when no one was.
- 1:22:48Speaker 5: Giving him $ 50 million. Nobody would fucking do that, man.
- 1:22:49Speaker 3: And then he quit doing comedy for 10 years. And
- 1:22:51Speaker 3: you know what he would do? He would occasionally show
- 1:22:53Speaker 3: up in a park with like a fucking speaker and
- 1:22:56Speaker 3: just show up and do stand-up.
- 1:22:58Speaker 5: No way, man.
- 1:22:58Speaker 3: Yes, he did. He did in Seattle. I know he
- 1:23:00Speaker 3: did in Seattle because a friend of mine was at
- 1:23:01Speaker 3: the show. Wow. He shows up. He goes, Dave Chappelle
- 1:23:04Speaker 3: just shows up in this fucking park. He gets a
- 1:23:07Speaker 3: speaker with a microphone and he just starts talking and
- 1:23:11Speaker 3: people just gather around.
- 1:23:12Speaker 2: Respect.
- 1:23:13Speaker 3: He was just doing these shows, these impromptu shows. He
- 1:23:16Speaker 3: would show up in a bar. Can I go on stage?
- 1:23:19Speaker 3: And they would go, okay.
- 1:23:21Speaker 5: And he would just start talking.
- 1:23:21Speaker 3: Knowing in his mind that he would eventually come back?
- 1:23:24Speaker 2: No.
- 1:23:24Speaker 5: That was just the present moment. I think he's just
- 1:23:26Speaker 5: being an artist.
- 1:23:27Speaker 3: Just being an artist for the pure sake of being
- 1:23:30Speaker 3: an artist. So he had. the money that he did
- 1:23:32Speaker 3: make off Chappelle's show, and he decided to live frugally
- 1:23:35Speaker 3: and take that money, and he didn't do anything for
- 1:23:37Speaker 3: money for like 10 fucking years. And then he started
- 1:23:41Speaker 3: coming back. And then when he started coming back, I
- 1:23:43Speaker 3: remember him coming around the Comedy Store again, and we
- 1:23:45Speaker 3: had some conversations about it. you know, he just decided
- 1:23:49Speaker 3: to start doing comedy again.
- 1:23:51Speaker 5: You see people getting canceled now, and it's devastating to them,
- 1:23:55Speaker 5: and yet that's what that was. He just did it himself.
- 1:23:58Speaker 3: Right.
- 1:23:58Speaker 5: He canceled himself.
- 1:23:59Speaker 3: He canceled the greatest sketch show of all time.
- 1:24:03Speaker 5: Of all time.
- 1:24:03Speaker 3: Yeah. And it only did two seasons. It's still the greatest.
- 1:24:06Speaker 5: But that's not something that you see very often. It's
- 1:24:08Speaker 5: somebody who just fucking can't help but beat to their
- 1:24:11Speaker 5: own drum.
- 1:24:12Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:24:12Speaker 5: But the art wins in the end.
- 1:24:14Speaker 3: The art wins. You know what I mean? Well, it's
- 1:24:16Speaker 3: obviously when you see him. He's so good.
- 1:24:18Speaker 5: He's not malicious. There are moments where you think he's malicious.
- 1:24:23Speaker 5: And again, he brings it around.
- 1:24:25Speaker 3: Well, the maliciousness is just to heighten the humor. It
- 1:24:27Speaker 3: all just brings it in. It also accentuates some thoughts
- 1:24:30Speaker 3: that you might have about whatever he's talking about.
- 1:24:32Speaker 5: But it's what everybody's thinking. Yep, exactly.
- 1:24:34Speaker 3: And so fucking terrified to say it. Even me.
- 1:24:38Speaker 5: I'm watching it, and I'm the inappropriate guy. And my
- 1:24:42Speaker 5: dad goes, how the fuck do you say what you say?
- 1:24:44Speaker 5: And I don't understand. I said, honestly, do you want
- 1:24:47Speaker 5: to know? Because I'm not ultimately mean. I don't want
- 1:24:52Speaker 5: to fucking hurt. I don't want people to feel less
- 1:24:54Speaker 5: than I do.
- 1:24:55Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:24:55Speaker 5: But I watch Chappelle. And even me, I'm like, whoa, fuck. Wow. Yeah.
- 1:25:02Speaker 3: He walks that line. He gets out there and walks
- 1:25:04Speaker 3: that line. But he dances around it and he makes
- 1:25:06Speaker 3: it beautiful comedy.
- 1:25:07Speaker 5: I appreciate it so much because without him, we're all fucked.
- 1:25:11Speaker 3: And he's the way to find out if a comedian's
- 1:25:13Speaker 3: a cunt. Like if a comedian doesn't like Chappelle, they
- 1:25:15Speaker 3: start shitting on Chappelle like.
- 1:25:17Speaker 5: Oh, okay. Then you know he's a cunt.
- 1:25:18Speaker 3: You're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit.
- 1:25:20Speaker 3: You're just a garbage human.
- 1:25:21Speaker 5: Have you ever met anybody like that?
- 1:25:23Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 1:25:24Speaker 3: A lot of these.
- 1:25:24Speaker 5: He's not a real comedian.
- 1:25:26Speaker 3: There's a lot of.
- 1:25:26Speaker 5: He's an asshole.
- 1:25:27Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of like.
- 1:25:29Speaker 5: That's not comedy.
- 1:25:30Speaker 3: Activist comedians. And what they are is really not talented.
- 1:25:33Speaker 3: So they've glommed on to this idea of like being
- 1:25:36Speaker 3: like socially conscious. And that's more important than the humor itself.
- 1:25:39Speaker 3: But nobody wants to hear you preach. Nobody thinks that
- 1:25:42Speaker 3: your opinion is better than theirs. This is what I
- 1:25:44Speaker 3: always say. If you go on stage, you have an opinion.
- 1:25:48Speaker 3: Other people have an opinion too. If you go on
- 1:25:50Speaker 3: stage and say, I think Kamala Harris would be the
- 1:25:52Speaker 3: greatest president of all time. A lot of people are like, well,
- 1:25:54Speaker 3: I don't agree. But you have to have a way
- 1:25:55Speaker 3: to make it funny so that they laugh. The people
- 1:25:58Speaker 3: that disagree with you laugh. I don't even think this
- 1:26:00Speaker 3: guy's correct. Well, goddamn, that's funny. And that's a way
- 1:26:04Speaker 3: you can introduce an idea into someone's head that maybe
- 1:26:07Speaker 3: would never accept that idea it was just opinions so
- 1:26:10Speaker 3: if someone's on stage and they're just saying opinions like
- 1:26:13Speaker 3: you could you could disagree with that opinion don't frustrate
- 1:26:15Speaker 3: you and you you can't talk you don't have you
- 1:26:17Speaker 3: but if that guy can take that opinion and that
- 1:26:20Speaker 3: perspective and make it funny and you're forced to acknowledge
- 1:26:24Speaker 3: that he has a point yeah like there's something in
- 1:26:26Speaker 3: there like i don't even agree with that but fucker
- 1:26:29Speaker 3: god damn that was good god damn that was good
- 1:26:32Speaker 3: And that's the real.
- 1:26:33Speaker 5: It liberates, man.
- 1:26:34Speaker 2: Yes.
- 1:26:34Speaker 3: That's the real Chappelle art.
- 1:26:36Speaker 5: That's what he really does. I mean, not that we'll
- 1:26:37Speaker 5: stay on this forever, but remember Eddie Murphy when he did,
- 1:26:40Speaker 5: not the first, not Raw, but.
- 1:26:42Speaker 3: Delirious.
- 1:26:42Speaker 5: Delirious.
- 1:26:43Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:26:44Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
- 1:26:44Speaker 3: Well, he was a fucking powerhouse, man.
- 1:26:46Speaker 7: Powerhouse.
- 1:26:46Speaker 3: To this day, that is the guy that I just
- 1:26:49Speaker 3: wish I was friends. I was friends with his brother, Charlie.
- 1:26:53Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:26:54Speaker 3: But I wish that guy, I wish he would come back.
- 1:26:58Speaker 3: You know, I know he got, like, some weird stuff
- 1:27:00Speaker 3: where he got arrested with transsexuals in his car and stuff. Whatever.
- 1:27:05Speaker 5: So did other people. Whatever. They came back.
- 1:27:07Speaker 3: He's just too good. He's too good. He's too good.
- 1:27:10Speaker 3: Do you ever see when he gave a speech? He got, like,
- 1:27:13Speaker 3: I think it was, like, one of those Mark Twain
- 1:27:15Speaker 3: awards or something like that. And he did stand up. Like,
- 1:27:18Speaker 3: where he hasn't done stand up in forever, but he
- 1:27:19Speaker 3: was talking about Bill Cosby having to give his awards back. No.
- 1:27:23Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:27:24Speaker 3: Because, you know, he does an amazing Bill Cosby impression.
- 1:27:26Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. I remember.
- 1:27:27Speaker 3: And so he did stand up, and it was as
- 1:27:30Speaker 3: sharp as ever. I'm like, God damn, if this guy
- 1:27:32Speaker 3: came back.
- 1:27:33Speaker 5: He would be— And it was just off the cuff?
- 1:27:34Speaker 5: It was something that— Oh, I'm sure he prepared. No,
- 1:27:35Speaker 5: I'm sure he prepared, but nobody really knew he was
- 1:27:38Speaker 5: going to do it, right?
- 1:27:38Speaker 3: Well, they knew he was going to give a speech.
- 1:27:40Speaker 5: Right.
- 1:27:40Speaker 3: And his speech was essentially stand-up.
- 1:27:42Speaker 5: Was stand-up.
- 1:27:42Speaker 3: You know, his acceptance speech was— Like 20 minutes or
- 1:27:44Speaker 3: 15 minutes of stand-up. Yeah, and it was fucking great.
- 1:27:47Speaker 3: And there was all these rumors that he was going
- 1:27:48Speaker 3: to start doing it again. I remember Charlie told me
- 1:27:51Speaker 3: that Dave was thinking about doing it again. or that
- 1:27:53Speaker 3: Eddie was thinking about doing again, but he never did it.
- 1:27:55Speaker 3: He never did it. I think it's just too heavy.
- 1:27:58Speaker 5: We need comedians. I mean, that's like the theme of
- 1:28:00Speaker 5: this whole thing. Whether you're talking about Hunter, whether you're
- 1:28:03Speaker 5: talking about this, it's just too bad that they self-destruct,
- 1:28:06Speaker 5: whether it be from drugs or fame or whatever. You
- 1:28:10Speaker 5: know what I mean?
- 1:28:10Speaker 3: It's hard, man.
- 1:28:11Speaker 5: It's really hard. It's hard to maintain.
- 1:28:14Speaker 3: And then once you make it, there's these weird pressures.
- 1:28:16Speaker 5: But it breaks up the status quo of this contraction,
- 1:28:20Speaker 5: especially that we're– I know that's why people move to Austin.
- 1:28:23Speaker 5: It's just like I'm fucking sick of being told to
- 1:28:28Speaker 5: think a certain way.
- 1:28:29Speaker 3: Well, that's why comedy in Austin works so well because
- 1:28:32Speaker 3: we all moved here at the same time. We all
- 1:28:34Speaker 3: moved here in 2020. Like I was I was here because, well,
- 1:28:37Speaker 3: Ron White moved here first and Ron White is a
- 1:28:40Speaker 3: dear friend of mine. And he moved here before the pandemic.
- 1:28:43Speaker 3: And Ron was like, I don't want to live in
- 1:28:45Speaker 3: LA anymore. I fucking love it here. There's no traffic.
- 1:28:48Speaker 3: Fucking food's great. Fucking people are nice. I can travel.
- 1:28:51Speaker 3: I fly. I'm in the center of the country. I
- 1:28:53Speaker 3: can fly anywhere real quick. And I was like, damn,
- 1:28:56Speaker 3: could I live in Texas? I'm like, I don't know
- 1:28:57Speaker 3: about that. And then COVID came. and my wife was
- 1:29:02Speaker 3: kind of interested a little bit, but then when the
- 1:29:06Speaker 3: riots started happening in LA, then she got really scared.
- 1:29:09Speaker 3: She got very, it was a lot of home invasions,
- 1:29:11Speaker 3: it was a lot of crazy shit that was happening.
- 1:29:13Speaker 3: Where is she from originally? She was from Colorado.
- 1:29:16Speaker 5: Okay, so not an LA born.
- 1:29:18Speaker 3: No, no, no. And so she lived in LA with
- 1:29:21Speaker 3: me for a while and we were happy. you know
- 1:29:24Speaker 3: we lived in Bell Canyon which was like outside of
- 1:29:26Speaker 3: LA it's nice peaceful had a little land coyotes and
- 1:29:30Speaker 3: hawks and shit yeah well for me it was okay
- 1:29:33Speaker 3: because I had quiet where I lived and then I
- 1:29:36Speaker 3: could drive into the comedy store and I loved it
- 1:29:38Speaker 3: but then when they shut the comedy store down they
- 1:29:40Speaker 3: shut everything down and I was like baby, they're not
- 1:29:42Speaker 3: going to let us go back. This is like these
- 1:29:44Speaker 3: fucking cocksuckers have control now, and that's what they like.
- 1:29:47Speaker 3: That's why they became politicians in the first place. They
- 1:29:49Speaker 3: like telling people they can't work. They have a grip
- 1:29:52Speaker 3: on society, and they're going to fucking keep this grip.
- 1:29:55Speaker 3: We've got to get the fuck out of here.
- 1:29:56Speaker 5: So did you move sight unseen? Did you move just–
- 1:30:00Speaker 5: did you just come? Did you find a place?
- 1:30:02Speaker 3: I came looking for– You came and you hung out
- 1:30:04Speaker 3: for a while? I came looking to see if I
- 1:30:05Speaker 3: could deal with it. We took like a few days
- 1:30:07Speaker 3: off and we flew to Austin with some friends who
- 1:30:09Speaker 3: were also thinking about doing it. None of them wound
- 1:30:11Speaker 3: up moving here. A couple of them moved to Dallas.
- 1:30:14Speaker 3: But we came here and then one of the things
- 1:30:17Speaker 3: that helped, my daughters were 10 and 12 at the time.
- 1:30:20Speaker 3: They were really young. And they were real confused about
- 1:30:22Speaker 3: what was going on in L.A. It was spooky. You know,
- 1:30:24Speaker 3: you had to wear a mask everywhere, and that freaks
- 1:30:26Speaker 3: kids out. It was freaky. We came to Texas, no masks.
- 1:30:30Speaker 3: You go to restaurants, and we had this great real
- 1:30:33Speaker 3: estate lady. She's a good friend now. And she took us.
- 1:30:37Speaker 3: We wanted to see this house, and she took us
- 1:30:39Speaker 3: on a ride on a boat. She had a friend
- 1:30:41Speaker 3: to take us on the lake. We go on the lake.
- 1:30:43Speaker 3: People are playing Leonard Skinner. They're jumping in the water.
- 1:30:45Speaker 3: They're laughing and singing. And in L.A., everybody's thinking, like,
- 1:30:49Speaker 3: the world's going to end. There's demons in the air.
- 1:30:51Speaker 5: No, man, I was in New Mexico, and I was
- 1:30:53Speaker 5: out on a 100,000-acre ranch.
- 1:30:56Speaker 2: Whoa.
- 1:30:57Speaker 5: Right? And we were doing Outer Range. We were doing
- 1:31:00Speaker 5: the first season of our show, and we were tested
- 1:31:03Speaker 5: every morning. And when I was out in the middle
- 1:31:07Speaker 5: of nowhere, I mean, with, like, good 15-mile-an-hour winds, you'd
- 1:31:12Speaker 5: have somebody come up. If I put my mask down
- 1:31:14Speaker 5: to talk, you'd have somebody go, Yeah.
- 1:31:19Speaker 3: And I'd be like, we're in the middle of nowhere. Also,
- 1:31:22Speaker 3: it doesn't even work. It doesn't work.
- 1:31:24Speaker 5: It's stupid. I'm not even saying that I have a
- 1:31:27Speaker 5: certain belief system or anything. But in that moment.
- 1:31:31Speaker 3: Provable that they don't work.
- 1:31:32Speaker 5: Provable. Yeah.
- 1:31:34Speaker 3: And people lost their fucking minds. And it was a
- 1:31:36Speaker 3: stress test. And so we came out here. I bought
- 1:31:39Speaker 3: a house like quick. And I was here.
- 1:31:42Speaker 5: Is it still the same house you have now? Really? Really.
- 1:31:44Speaker 3: Yeah, we looked at the house in May. I was
- 1:31:48Speaker 3: living in it in August. And we were here. And
- 1:31:51Speaker 3: then my kids started going to school out here. They
- 1:31:52Speaker 3: loved it. I loved it right away. We were performing.
- 1:31:55Speaker 3: And then we were doing shows inside where everybody's like,
- 1:31:58Speaker 3: this is crazy. You guys are doing shows indoors? Because
- 1:32:02Speaker 3: Texas didn't give a fuck. They're like, do shows. Like
- 1:32:05Speaker 3: a couple months after COVID, they're like, eh, open it up.
- 1:32:09Speaker 5: So what are the numbers of people who got COVID?
- 1:32:11Speaker 5: You know, I've never had COVID.
- 1:32:12Speaker 3: You never got it at all? No. That's crazy.
- 1:32:14Speaker 5: I never got it. I don't know if that's a
- 1:32:16Speaker 5: blood type. I don't know. What is that?
- 1:32:17Speaker 3: Maybe you're healthy.
- 1:32:18Speaker 5: Maybe I have it right now. I have a bit
- 1:32:19Speaker 5: of a cold right now. Maybe you have it. Sorry, dude.
- 1:32:22Speaker 3: The new COVID is a joke. It's like, we used
- 1:32:24Speaker 3: to test every day. We used to, like, everybody that
- 1:32:27Speaker 3: came in, because I wanted to be compliant. I wanted
- 1:32:29Speaker 3: people to feel safe. People were flying out here to
- 1:32:31Speaker 3: do podcasts. I wanted to make sure they're not a dick.
- 1:32:33Speaker 3: And so we tested everybody before every show. And one
- 1:32:36Speaker 3: time I came in and I had the sniffles. And
- 1:32:38Speaker 3: I was like, maybe it's COVID. Maybe it's COVID. And
- 1:32:40Speaker 3: the nurse was like, actually, you have COVID. I was like,
- 1:32:43Speaker 3: no way. I'm like, this is the new COVID? But
- 1:32:46Speaker 3: I had it once and famously got in trouble for
- 1:32:48Speaker 3: saying that I didn't get vaccinated, but I got healthy.
- 1:32:50Speaker 3: And it was the CNN attacks and all that shit.
- 1:32:53Speaker 3: And then the second time I got COVID, it was
- 1:32:55Speaker 3: literally sniffles. And it was gone in like a day
- 1:32:58Speaker 3: or two.
- 1:32:58Speaker 5: So were the numbers different in Texas than anywhere else?
- 1:33:01Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 1:33:02Speaker 5: I'm curious.
- 1:33:03Speaker 3: I mean, the numbers are all, like, the real people
- 1:33:05Speaker 3: that got sick are the people with comorbidities. That was
- 1:33:07Speaker 3: the real issue. What it exposed is metabolic health.
- 1:33:09Speaker 5: And it's not that it didn't exist. It did, because
- 1:33:11Speaker 5: I have a brother-in-law who was in New Orleans in
- 1:33:13Speaker 5: the epicenter of it, and it was the beginning of
- 1:33:15Speaker 5: his residency and all that, and he was like, oh, bro.
- 1:33:18Speaker 3: Oh, it fucking existed.
- 1:33:18Speaker 5: I mean, it was fucking gnarly.
- 1:33:20Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're really unhealthy, COVID fucked you up.
- 1:33:22Speaker 5: Fucked you up.
- 1:33:23Speaker 3: If you're really fat in particular, there was something about
- 1:33:26Speaker 3: the way it reacted.
- 1:33:27Speaker 5: To fat people. African-Americans, too, he said.
- 1:33:29Speaker 3: That's a vitamin D thing.
- 1:33:30Speaker 5: That's a vitamin D thing.
- 1:33:31Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:33:32Speaker 3: Well, African-Americans, the reason why they're so dark, the melanin
- 1:33:35Speaker 3: is to protect them from the sun. And melanin in
- 1:33:39Speaker 3: white people, the reason why they're so pale is because
- 1:33:41Speaker 3: it acts as like a fucking solar panel for vitamin D.
- 1:33:44Speaker 5: It's a sponge.
- 1:33:45Speaker 3: So the melanin actually protects them from the sun's damage,
- 1:33:49Speaker 3: but it also makes it more difficult for them to
- 1:33:52Speaker 3: get vitamin D. So my friend did his residency in
- 1:33:54Speaker 3: New York, and he said during the wintertime, We would
- 1:33:57Speaker 3: do blood panels on people, and they would have undetectable
- 1:34:00Speaker 3: levels of vitamin D.
- 1:34:01Speaker 2: Wow.
- 1:34:01Speaker 3: And this is the reason why people get sick in
- 1:34:03Speaker 3: the winter.
- 1:34:03Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:34:04Speaker 3: You're covering up. You're indoors most of the time. You're
- 1:34:06Speaker 3: not getting any vitamin D. You're not getting any sun.
- 1:34:08Speaker 3: If you're not supplementing, and not just with vitamin D,
- 1:34:10Speaker 3: by the way, you have to mix vitamin D with
- 1:34:12Speaker 3: K2 and magnesium. That's the most effective way for your
- 1:34:15Speaker 3: body to process it. If you're not doing that, your
- 1:34:17Speaker 3: immune system is shit.
- 1:34:18Speaker 5: It's not that you're giving, you're not a living petri
- 1:34:21Speaker 5: dish and you're giving each other the thing because you
- 1:34:23Speaker 5: would do that in the summer too. But the minute
- 1:34:25Speaker 5: you go outside and you get that vitamin D and
- 1:34:27Speaker 5: you get that sun, it's burning it away. Yeah.
- 1:34:29Speaker 3: Well, you're out.
- 1:34:30Speaker 5: In the sun.
- 1:34:30Speaker 3: You're healthier. You're supposed to be outside.
- 1:34:34Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:34:34Speaker 3: We're not designed to be locked up in fucking cubicles
- 1:34:38Speaker 3: and fluorescent lights all day. It's not normal.
- 1:34:40Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:34:41Speaker 3: So it's not healthy. And if you don't do something
- 1:34:43Speaker 3: to mitigate that and to counteract that, your metabolic health
- 1:34:47Speaker 3: is going to suffer. If you're not fit, if you're
- 1:34:48Speaker 3: not healthy, if you're overweight, if you're not eating well,
- 1:34:51Speaker 3: if you're not taking vitamins, all those things are a
- 1:34:53Speaker 3: huge factor that was completely ignored. And the narrative was like, no,
- 1:34:57Speaker 3: you need this novel injection that we haven't tested on anybody.
- 1:35:02Speaker 3: We're going to fucking shoot it in every baby, every kid,
- 1:35:05Speaker 3: every pregnant woman.
- 1:35:06Speaker 5: Did you ever take one?
- 1:35:07Speaker 6: No.
- 1:35:08Speaker 3: I almost did. I didn't think it was a bad thing.
- 1:35:11Speaker 3: This whole pandemic is through education and talking to doctors
- 1:35:15Speaker 3: and also through my experiences, it completely changed my concept
- 1:35:18Speaker 3: and my thought about the medical system. When the vaccine
- 1:35:22Speaker 3: was first available, I was more than willing to get it.
- 1:35:25Speaker 3: In fact, the UFC allocated like 150 vaccines for all
- 1:35:28Speaker 3: their employees. And we were doing these COVID shows where
- 1:35:32Speaker 3: there was no audience. So we would do it at
- 1:35:34Speaker 3: the Apex in Vegas where the UFC has their own
- 1:35:36Speaker 3: small arena and And we'd have the fights there. And
- 1:35:39Speaker 3: you'd go and get tested. I'd get tested in Austin.
- 1:35:42Speaker 3: I'd fly to Vegas. And then they'd test me again.
- 1:35:45Speaker 3: And you weren't supposed to go anywhere. You just stayed
- 1:35:48Speaker 3: in your hotel. And then you showed up and did
- 1:35:50Speaker 3: the fights. And then they got the allocations for the vaccine.
- 1:35:53Speaker 3: And I called up the doctor and I said, hey,
- 1:35:55Speaker 3: I'm here for the fights. Can I get vaccinated? They said, sure,
- 1:35:59Speaker 3: come on in. And then when I got there, I
- 1:36:01Speaker 3: called the doctor and said, actually, you have to go
- 1:36:03Speaker 3: to the clinic. We have to do it at the clinic.
- 1:36:05Speaker 3: Can you go on Monday? And I said, I can't.
- 1:36:07Speaker 3: I have to go back to Austin, but I'll be
- 1:36:09Speaker 3: back in two weeks for the next fights and we'll
- 1:36:11Speaker 3: do it then. And he said, great. In that two weeks,
- 1:36:14Speaker 3: they pulled the vaccine because people were getting blood clots.
- 1:36:17Speaker 3: And then also during that two weeks, two people that
- 1:36:20Speaker 3: I knew had strokes. Like one guy was in his
- 1:36:23Speaker 3: 50s and one guy.
- 1:36:23Speaker 5: Was in his 40s. Immediately following the vaccination?
- 1:36:26Speaker 3: Within days of the vaccine, got strokes. And I had
- 1:36:29Speaker 3: a bunch of friends that had complications. One friend who
- 1:36:32Speaker 3: has a pacemaker. I have a second friend now that
- 1:36:35Speaker 3: has a pacemaker. And there was all these things that
- 1:36:37Speaker 3: just kept happening.
- 1:36:38Speaker 5: A pacemaker that they'll have for the rest of their lives?
- 1:36:40Speaker 3: I don't know. It depends on whether or not your
- 1:36:42Speaker 3: heart heals, like how bad the damage is. But his
- 1:36:46Speaker 3: heart would stop beating for like nine seconds at a time.
- 1:36:49Speaker 5: Wow, man.
- 1:36:49Speaker 3: And he would just faint. And he was falling down.
- 1:36:52Speaker 5: Right.
- 1:36:52Speaker 3: And, you know, Dr. Drews talked about this. He believes
- 1:36:56Speaker 3: that's what happened to a lot of people that got boosted.
- 1:37:00Speaker 3: A lot of people like after the booster. Like there's
- 1:37:03Speaker 3: something that would happen where your heart would just stop
- 1:37:05Speaker 3: beating for a while and you'd black out and it
- 1:37:07Speaker 3: would start up again. Because it wasn't proven.
- 1:37:10Speaker 5: It wasn't a proven thing. But then again, how many
- 1:37:12Speaker 5: of them are proven?
- 1:37:15Speaker 3: You said it's what, 72, 73 shots? Yeah, well, that's
- 1:37:19Speaker 3: a different kind of vaccine. No, but I understand that.
- 1:37:21Speaker 3: But there's still vaccines. And you go, why.
- 1:37:24Speaker 5: So much more now? Is there that much more disease?
- 1:37:26Speaker 2: It's money.
- 1:37:27Speaker 3: I think it's money.
- 1:37:27Speaker 5: It's all based on money.
- 1:37:28Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not an anti-vaccine person, but I subscribe
- 1:37:31Speaker 3: to Robert F. Kennedy's perspective. They should all be tested.
- 1:37:34Speaker 3: They should be safety tested, and they're not.
- 1:37:36Speaker 5: But it comes down to this thing, like we were
- 1:37:39Speaker 5: talking about working out. It comes down to this thing
- 1:37:41Speaker 5: where you go, listen, the medical community I can use—
- 1:37:44Speaker 5: For certain things. The holistic community I can use for
- 1:37:46Speaker 5: certain things. Why do I have to deny one just
- 1:37:50Speaker 5: to be full in on the other?
- 1:37:51Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:37:52Speaker 3: Exactly. Well, it's just a narrative that they put out
- 1:37:54Speaker 3: there that medicine and pharmaceutical drugs are the most important
- 1:37:58Speaker 3: thing and everything else is bullshit.
- 1:38:00Speaker 5: Everybody should take Oxycontin.
- 1:38:02Speaker 3: Everybody should be on at least 10 Oxycontin a day.
- 1:38:06Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:38:06Speaker 3: Help you feel better. You'll feel better. Just like, oh,
- 1:38:09Speaker 3: I feel better.
- 1:38:09Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 1:38:10Speaker 5: You don't have to do anything.
- 1:38:11Speaker 2: You don't have to feel bad about it.
- 1:38:12Speaker 3: So when we came here, that was the thing, was
- 1:38:16Speaker 3: like everybody who came here was kind of like, fuck this.
- 1:38:19Speaker 3: And then there were so many of us that Ron
- 1:38:22Speaker 3: talked me into opening up a comedy club.
- 1:38:24Speaker 5: I remember Ron- You opened your own.
- 1:38:26Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:38:26Speaker 3: Ron went on stage for the first time in months.
- 1:38:29Speaker 3: I think it was eight months. And he grabbed me
- 1:38:33Speaker 3: by the shoulders right after he got up. I mean,
- 1:38:35Speaker 3: he fucking crushed. He goes on stage. There's this giant
- 1:38:38Speaker 3: standing ovation. He crushes and he comes off stage. He
- 1:38:41Speaker 3: grabs me by my shoulder. He goes, whatever the fuck
- 1:38:43Speaker 3: we have to do, we're going to keep doing this.
- 1:38:46Speaker 3: He goes, you got to open up a club. I go, okay,
- 1:38:48Speaker 3: I'm going to open up a club.
- 1:38:50Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
- 1:38:51Speaker 3: And then I just started looking at club spots.
- 1:38:54Speaker 5: How often do you do it?
- 1:38:55Speaker 3: Almost, I mean, every week.
- 1:38:57Speaker 5: Every week you're up there?
- 1:38:58Speaker 3: I went on last night three times. I did three
- 1:39:00Speaker 3: sets last night. Wow.
- 1:39:01Speaker 2: Yeah. That's cool.
- 1:39:02Speaker 3: I'm constantly working.
- 1:39:03Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:39:03Speaker 5: Do you know Robert Rodriguez?
- 1:39:05Speaker 3: The director?
- 1:39:06Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:39:06Speaker 3: No, I don't know him personally.
- 1:39:07Speaker 5: I'm aware of him, though. That surprises me. Yeah. That's
- 1:39:10Speaker 5: who I'm doing. I'm at the Paramount Theater tonight.
- 1:39:12Speaker 3: I love that guy.
- 1:39:13Speaker 5: Yeah, I love him. Yeah. I've known him for 30 years.
- 1:39:16Speaker 3: Oh, and I'd love to meet him. But, no, I
- 1:39:19Speaker 3: love his work, though.
- 1:39:20Speaker 5: Yeah, super good guy. Yeah. And he plays at Antoine's
- 1:39:23Speaker 5: a lot.
- 1:39:24Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, Antoine's.
- 1:39:25Speaker 5: Antoine's.
- 1:39:26Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is still there, right?
- 1:39:27Speaker 5: That's Gary Clark Jr.
- 1:39:28Speaker 3: 's place.
- 1:39:29Speaker 5: Is it?
- 1:39:29Speaker 3: Yes, my friend Gary. I didn't know.
- 1:39:31Speaker 5: So my wife knows Gary's wife really well.
- 1:39:34Speaker 3: Oh, my wife knows Gary's wife really well.
- 1:39:36Speaker 5: Oh, shit, dude. I met somebody on the plane who
- 1:39:39Speaker 5: sat next to me, so I.
- 1:39:40Speaker 3: Flew from New York. Yes, they sent a picture to
- 1:39:42Speaker 3: my wife.
- 1:39:43Speaker 2: No. Yes, yes.
- 1:39:45Speaker 5: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Bentley?
- 1:39:49Speaker 3: I don't know the guy's name. I don't know the guy.
- 1:39:51Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no. The guy that I met
- 1:39:52Speaker 5: on the plane today, he said, what are you here doing?
- 1:39:55Speaker 5: I said, oh, I'm going to see Brogan this afternoon.
- 1:39:58Speaker 5: I'm doing Paramount Theater tonight. And he said, oh, that's
- 1:40:00Speaker 5: so funny. And he didn't talk to me the whole flight.
- 1:40:01Speaker 5: And he said, my son Bentley went out with Rosie.
- 1:40:05Speaker 2: Yes.
- 1:40:06Speaker 5: For a year.
- 1:40:07Speaker 2: Yes.
- 1:40:07Speaker 3: That's what it is. So he sent a photograph to
- 1:40:09Speaker 3: my wife. Because I took a photograph of him that
- 1:40:12Speaker 3: he sent to his wife. Yeah, so I saw it today,
- 1:40:13Speaker 3: right when I was leaving. My wife shows me the photograph.
- 1:40:15Speaker 5: That's fucking funny.
- 1:40:16Speaker 3: It's crazy.
- 1:40:16Speaker 5: That's crazy.
- 1:40:17Speaker 3: Small world.
- 1:40:18Speaker 5: Really small world.
- 1:40:19Speaker 3: Super, super small world.
- 1:40:20Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:40:20Speaker 3: But yeah, so yeah, Gary's wife and my wife are
- 1:40:24Speaker 3: good friends.
- 1:40:24Speaker 5: Yeah. I've never met Gary. Oh, he's the best. But man,
- 1:40:27Speaker 5: I love him.
- 1:40:27Speaker 3: He's the best. I mean, that's another artist.
- 1:40:30Speaker 5: A true artist.
- 1:40:31Speaker 3: That's an artist. I mean, he's an artist.
- 1:40:33Speaker 5: Another true artist. I was just with him. I did
- 1:40:35Speaker 5: his video. I was asked to do a lot of
- 1:40:36Speaker 5: videos and I've never done a video because I've never
- 1:40:38Speaker 5: wanted to do a video. The idea of doing video
- 1:40:41Speaker 5: seems weird to me. You're like, you know, singing somebody
- 1:40:44Speaker 5: else's song or something like that. But Chris Stapleton, who's
- 1:40:48Speaker 5: been a friend for a long time. So we were
- 1:40:49Speaker 5: in Marfa together. Has he?
- 1:40:51Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that guy.
- 1:40:52Speaker 5: One of the greatest fucking guys. He and Morgan. One
- 1:40:55Speaker 5: of the greatest people. So yeah, we were together over
- 1:40:58Speaker 5: the weekend in Marfa, Texas.
- 1:40:59Speaker 3: Oh, that's fucking cool. Yeah, it was awesome. And Gary's
- 1:41:03Speaker 3: another guy that I knew back in L.A. I met
- 1:41:05Speaker 3: Gary at the comedy store.
- 1:41:06Speaker 5: Doesn't he still live in L.A.? No, he lives here. Oh,
- 1:41:09Speaker 5: he does? Full time?
- 1:41:10Speaker 3: Yep, and that's the same thing. When I talk to
- 1:41:12Speaker 3: Gary about it, I go, why'd you move to Texas?
- 1:41:14Speaker 3: And this was back when I was still living in L.A.
- 1:41:16Speaker 3: He goes, man, fuck that. Fuck that place. Fuck everything
- 1:41:20Speaker 3: about that place.
- 1:41:20Speaker 5: I don't like it. I don't feel good there. We
- 1:41:23Speaker 5: haven't moved to Austin. I've spent a lot of time here.
- 1:41:26Speaker 5: I love it here. My mom's from Corpus Christi. I've
- 1:41:28Speaker 5: spent a lot of time in Texas. I'm going to
- 1:41:31Speaker 5: eat Whataburger while I'm here. And, but I, you know,
- 1:41:35Speaker 5: we moved to Santa Barbara recently and it's one of
- 1:41:37Speaker 5: those things. It's just like, there's the thing about LA
- 1:41:40Speaker 5: when you don't need, because you can do so many
- 1:41:42Speaker 5: things remotely and you go, why am I here?
- 1:41:45Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:41:46Speaker 5: Right. Why am I here? Like I embraced this staunch
- 1:41:49Speaker 5: thing of I'm a Californian and I loved going to
- 1:41:51Speaker 5: New York and seeing how proud people were in New York.
- 1:41:54Speaker 5: And I'd go back to California and I'd say, I
- 1:41:56Speaker 5: wanna be the one proud person that's in California.
- 1:41:59Speaker 3: There was proud people in L.A. for a while.
- 1:42:01Speaker 5: There were for a while.
- 1:42:01Speaker 3: We were all proud that we were L.A. Comics.
- 1:42:03Speaker 5: Yeah. L.A.
- 1:42:04Speaker 3: Comics were like a different thing than New York Comics.
- 1:42:07Speaker 1: Right.
- 1:42:07Speaker 3: Because New York Comics were all like for themselves. They
- 1:42:11Speaker 3: were all kind of shitty and backstabby. And at the
- 1:42:13Speaker 3: Comedy Store we had a real community. It was like,
- 1:42:16Speaker 3: we were.
- 1:42:16Speaker 5: And that's the best thing. And what you've done is
- 1:42:18Speaker 5: recreate it. Like even when I talk about a chopper community,
- 1:42:21Speaker 5: that's what it is. It's a community that you can
- 1:42:23Speaker 5: rely on.
- 1:42:24Speaker 3: Yes.
- 1:42:24Speaker 5: Regardless of belief system or anything like that. You go,
- 1:42:28Speaker 5: but that guy has my back.
- 1:42:29Speaker 3: Yes.
- 1:42:30Speaker 5: That guy will walk through fire for me.
- 1:42:31Speaker 3: Yes.
- 1:42:32Speaker 5: That guy wants me to do well.
- 1:42:33Speaker 3: That's your people.
- 1:42:34Speaker 5: That's my people.
- 1:42:35Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:42:36Speaker 5: And that's the same thing with that.
- 1:42:37Speaker 3: All my people moved out here. They moved out here
- 1:42:39Speaker 3: with me. So we had like 16 top shelf comedians.
- 1:42:43Speaker 3: move out here in the first two years.
- 1:42:45Speaker 5: That many?
- 1:42:46Speaker 3: There's so many clubs out here. There's five clubs on
- 1:42:49Speaker 3: the street where my clubs are.
- 1:42:50Speaker 5: That's crazy.
- 1:42:50Speaker 3: I bought the old Ritz Theater.
- 1:42:52Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:42:52Speaker 3: So that's the Comedy Mothership now. And down the street,
- 1:42:55Speaker 3: there's a Sunset Club that my friend Brian owns. And
- 1:42:57Speaker 3: that's a club that's like five doors down from me.
- 1:43:00Speaker 5: So all these are new clubs that's happened in the
- 1:43:02Speaker 5: last four years.
- 1:43:02Speaker 3: The Vulcan was already there. That was the club that
- 1:43:05Speaker 3: we started working at when we came here. That's down
- 1:43:07Speaker 3: the street from me. That's only like a block away.
- 1:43:09Speaker 3: And then there's the Creek in the Cave, another comedy
- 1:43:11Speaker 3: club that's only like two blocks away. There's a bunch
- 1:43:14Speaker 3: of them just on this one street.
- 1:43:16Speaker 5: What if I move here and open a club and
- 1:43:18Speaker 5: just do monologues? Do you think people will come?
- 1:43:20Speaker 2: Sure.
- 1:43:21Speaker 5: If it's good. Ladies and gentlemen, this one's from Sicario.
- 1:43:25Speaker 3: If it's good, people would go. They might.
- 1:43:27Speaker 5: They might.
- 1:43:28Speaker 3: Look, man. You really have a.
- 1:43:31Speaker 5: Passion for something. This is the weird artsy city, which
- 1:43:33Speaker 5: I love.
- 1:43:33Speaker 3: It's a great artsy city.
- 1:43:34Speaker 5: It is.
- 1:43:34Speaker 2: It is.
- 1:43:35Speaker 3: There's a lot of fake artists.
- 1:43:36Speaker 5: I know, but there is everywhere.
- 1:43:38Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of posers. But that's all people
- 1:43:40Speaker 3: that just like the idea of them being the one
- 1:43:43Speaker 3: who decides what's real and what's not real. Just goofs.
- 1:43:47Speaker 3: You're always going to have that. There's a lot of that.
- 1:43:49Speaker 3: They hated us when we came here. But really what
- 1:43:51Speaker 3: they didn't like is that you couldn't just fuck around anymore.
- 1:43:55Speaker 3: The real killers were here now. The real top shelf,
- 1:43:58Speaker 3: like national headliners, guys like Tom Segura and Tim Dillon
- 1:44:02Speaker 3: and these– animals moved into town so this is like
- 1:44:05Speaker 3: a new hub oh it's the hub of the world
- 1:44:07Speaker 3: for comedy the comedy mothership is the hub of comedy
- 1:44:10Speaker 3: in the world that's wild yeah and it just just
- 1:44:13Speaker 3: opened two years ago that's cool it's packed every night
- 1:44:16Speaker 3: it's it's awesome like dave came down like opening week
- 1:44:19Speaker 3: it was incredible and no one knew he was there
- 1:44:21Speaker 3: so uh i did a set and then uh after
- 1:44:24Speaker 3: i did a set i i introduced him and everybody
- 1:44:27Speaker 3: just went fucking ape shit and we're like It's up.
- 1:44:31Speaker 3: Like the club's rolling now. Now it's really happening. And
- 1:44:34Speaker 3: then all these people were coming in from all over
- 1:44:36Speaker 3: the country and a bunch of people moved here. And
- 1:44:38Speaker 3: there's people moving here constantly. Shane Gillis moved here and
- 1:44:42Speaker 3: all these guys moved here.
- 1:44:43Speaker 5: So it's still happening.
- 1:44:44Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
- 1:44:44Speaker 3: It's still growing.
- 1:44:45Speaker 5: People are still coming, migrating in droves.
- 1:44:46Speaker 3: We're talking about opening up another club because we're so
- 1:44:49Speaker 3: packed every night and we have so many comics. We
- 1:44:52Speaker 3: almost have too many comics and not enough room.
- 1:44:55Speaker 5: Has the place grown a lot in the last four years?
- 1:44:57Speaker 5: The city? Yeah, but do you see a gentrification of
- 1:45:00Speaker 5: it or just like things that you got?
- 1:45:02Speaker 2: No.
- 1:45:02Speaker 3: You see a lot of tech bros have moved here because,
- 1:45:04Speaker 3: you know, Google moved here and Facebook and Tesla.
- 1:45:07Speaker 5: I remember when Jesse James moved here, which was a
- 1:45:09Speaker 5: while ago.
- 1:45:10Speaker 3: He moved here a long time ago.
- 1:45:11Speaker 5: A long time ago. Yeah. I remember when he moved
- 1:45:13Speaker 5: from Long Beach.
- 1:45:13Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:45:14Speaker 5: And he called me and he was like, it's fucking
- 1:45:15Speaker 5: great here.
- 1:45:16Speaker 3: It's fucking great.
- 1:45:17Speaker 5: It's better.
- 1:45:17Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:45:18Speaker 3: I just never will live in a place that has
- 1:45:20Speaker 3: traffic ever again. I'll never live in a big city.
- 1:45:24Speaker 3: Austin's like a million people. There's a million on the
- 1:45:26Speaker 3: outside and a million in the city. It's nothing. It's easy.
- 1:45:30Speaker 3: It's easy to get around. People are friendly. They're just
- 1:45:33Speaker 3: like real people. There's no one here that's like connected
- 1:45:37Speaker 3: to that machine that forced compliance.
- 1:45:41Speaker 5: Why do you think that feeds into your art? Like
- 1:45:44Speaker 5: to me, being in L.A., when everybody's talking about what's
- 1:45:47Speaker 5: your status right now?
- 1:45:48Speaker 6: Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.
- 1:45:50Speaker 3: Yuck.
- 1:45:52Speaker 5: What's your status?
- 1:45:53Speaker 3: All people care about is, are you killing? Are you
- 1:45:56Speaker 3: going on stage and fucking killing? Are you doing your
- 1:45:59Speaker 3: best work? Are you doing it?
- 1:46:00Speaker 5: Period. Are you doing your best work? Like, do you care?
- 1:46:03Speaker 5: Do you give a shit? Do you really care?
- 1:46:05Speaker 3: Are you really working on it? Are you really?
- 1:46:07Speaker 5: Are you just another affectation?
- 1:46:08Speaker 3: And if you're at that club, you have to be
- 1:46:10Speaker 3: working on it because there's too many people that are
- 1:46:11Speaker 3: working on it.
- 1:46:12Speaker 5: There's too many killers.
- 1:46:13Speaker 3: You can't just be lazy. You won't survive. There's too
- 1:46:16Speaker 3: many killers.
- 1:46:17Speaker 5: I want to go to this club.
- 1:46:18Speaker 7: Anytime.
- 1:46:19Speaker 5: Go tonight.
- 1:46:20Speaker 3: If you want to come tonight.
- 1:46:21Speaker 5: Well, I got this thing to do tonight.
- 1:46:22Speaker 3: When's your thing? What time is it?
- 1:46:23Speaker 5: I don't know. Eight? Seven?
- 1:46:25Speaker 3: We have a 7 o'clock show and a 10 o'clock show.
- 1:46:27Speaker 5: Really?
- 1:46:27Speaker 2: Maybe I'll come afterwards.
- 1:46:28Speaker 5: Come after.
- 1:46:29Speaker 2: Come hang out.
- 1:46:29Speaker 3: Jelly Roll was there last night.
- 1:46:31Speaker 5: Really?
- 1:46:31Speaker 3: Was he really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 1:46:32Speaker 5: That's cool.
- 1:46:33Speaker 3: Jelly Roll's the man. He's here all the time. He's
- 1:46:35Speaker 3: always hanging out here.
- 1:46:35Speaker 5: Do you have my book?
- 1:46:37Speaker 3: I do not.
- 1:46:38Speaker 5: You don't? No, I do not.
- 1:46:39Speaker 3: No one sent it to me. They did. It probably
- 1:46:41Speaker 3: went to a publicist or someone.
- 1:46:43Speaker 5: I was going to bring a book for you.
- 1:46:45Speaker 3: I'll buy it. Josh Brolin from Under the Truck. Why
- 1:46:49Speaker 3: from under the truck?
- 1:46:51Speaker 5: What do you think?
- 1:46:51Speaker 3: Because that's where you were drunk, passed out?
- 1:46:54Speaker 5: That's where my mom's boyfriend was drunk and passed out.
- 1:46:56Speaker 5: But it has this, to me, I chose it because
- 1:46:59Speaker 5: it has a double entendre that when you're under a truck,
- 1:47:01Speaker 5: you're either fixing it or getting run over by it.
- 1:47:04Speaker 5: Hence my life. I'm either getting run over by it
- 1:47:08Speaker 5: or fixing it.
- 1:47:09Speaker 3: How did you sort it out? Because you're so together now.
- 1:47:14Speaker 5: Am I?
- 1:47:14Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you are.
- 1:47:15Speaker 5: Thank you. You're fun. You're fun. Thanks, man.
- 1:47:17Speaker 3: Fun people are together. If you can be fun, you're together.
- 1:47:20Speaker 5: I think I'm at that place. I found a place
- 1:47:23Speaker 5: that you have always been at that I didn't have.
- 1:47:26Speaker 5: I had the opposite where you go, no, I didn't
- 1:47:28Speaker 5: do cocaine because, and forget the drugs. It's the mentality.
- 1:47:31Speaker 5: I didn't do cocaine because it would kill me. And
- 1:47:34Speaker 5: I would go, oh, that stuff will kill you. Yeah.
- 1:47:37Speaker 5: Let's just walk that line. I always wanted to walk
- 1:47:41Speaker 5: that line. And I had a mother that walked that line.
- 1:47:43Speaker 5: The book is very mother heavy. Very, very mother-heavy. And
- 1:47:47Speaker 5: it wasn't intended to be. It just turned out that way.
- 1:47:49Speaker 5: That's why I wanted to... Fuck, I wish I had
- 1:47:51Speaker 5: a book.
- 1:47:52Speaker 3: No worries.
- 1:47:52Speaker 5: I wanted to read you a section of the LSD,
- 1:47:58Speaker 5: 13-year-old LSD thing. Because it's fun. Yeah, it's juicy. Yeah.
- 1:48:02Speaker 5: You like juicy stuff.
- 1:48:03Speaker 3: I do.
- 1:48:03Speaker 5: And I want to read you juicy stuff.
- 1:48:05Speaker 3: 13 LSD is so wild. That's such a crazy, mind-blowing
- 1:48:09Speaker 3: experience for a 13-year-old to have.
- 1:48:11Speaker 5: Yeah. Can you imagine? Because you look at, I mean,
- 1:48:14Speaker 5: I had kids when I had my first kid, I
- 1:48:16Speaker 5: was 20 years old and I was looking at 14
- 1:48:19Speaker 5: years in prison. Oh my God. Yeah. So Christ. So I,
- 1:48:24Speaker 5: that's why I didn't, I would, I missed my shot
- 1:48:27Speaker 5: out there. I was surprised. It's Johnny Cash.
- 1:48:30Speaker 3: There's, we're going to order it. Find Josh Brolin's.
- 1:48:34Speaker 5: Oh yeah. See if it's in there. I think there's
- 1:48:36Speaker 5: a couple.
- 1:48:36Speaker 3: Get a big mental print of it. Not that I'm
- 1:48:38Speaker 3: proud of it, but, Um, well, it's part of your
- 1:48:41Speaker 3: life and it's why you're you today because you've gone
- 1:48:44Speaker 3: through shitty experiences.
- 1:48:45Speaker 5: Yeah. But I don't know if they're shitty. That's what
- 1:48:47Speaker 5: I haven't, I haven't decided whether they're shitty or whether
- 1:48:50Speaker 5: they're necessary for this person to get to this place
- 1:48:53Speaker 5: and not everybody gets to that place. So we're talking
- 1:48:55Speaker 5: about all these people like Hunter S. Thompson.
- 1:48:57Speaker 3: Hunter S.
- 1:48:58Speaker 5: Thompson is my mother, man. Just did. She wasn't a
- 1:49:01Speaker 5: good writer. but everything that you the song that was
- 1:49:06Speaker 5: my mom my mom had a loaded 9mm at her
- 1:49:09Speaker 5: bedside table all the time she was part of the
- 1:49:12Speaker 5: what was the scam that went on in the 80s
- 1:49:15Speaker 5: the pyramid scam remember that she was one of the
- 1:49:18Speaker 5: top 5 winners of the pyramid scam she could talk
- 1:49:22Speaker 5: anybody into anything so she would come home literally man
- 1:49:26Speaker 5: with bags with grocery bags full of cash and she'd
- 1:49:30Speaker 5: dump it out and she'd say count So I would
- 1:49:34Speaker 5: sit there.
- 1:49:35Speaker 3: Wow.
- 1:49:37Speaker 5: You know what I mean? And she'd put them in.
- 1:49:38Speaker 5: I finally found, I think she had hidden some in
- 1:49:41Speaker 5: her dresser. And there was like a loose board that
- 1:49:44Speaker 5: she took away and put money in there. And I
- 1:49:46Speaker 5: found it and bought some drums.
- 1:49:48Speaker 3: When my grandmother died, we found stuff like that in
- 1:49:51Speaker 3: her house because my grandmother went through the depression.
- 1:49:53Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
- 1:49:54Speaker 3: And so everybody, they all like stockpiled money. So she
- 1:49:57Speaker 3: had coffee cans filled with money. that she had like
- 1:50:00Speaker 3: tucked away in like different areas of the house that
- 1:50:03Speaker 3: we found after she died.
- 1:50:04Speaker 5: Right, right. That's kind of great. Yeah. The mentality of like.
- 1:50:07Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the mentality that you grow up or you
- 1:50:10Speaker 3: literally might starve to death. There's no food.
- 1:50:12Speaker 5: And you become, there's no way that can't affect you
- 1:50:14Speaker 5: and that's the whole point.
- 1:50:15Speaker 3: No way.
- 1:50:15Speaker 5: There's no way that somebody can have that mentality if
- 1:50:18Speaker 5: every cent means something.
- 1:50:20Speaker 2: Right.
- 1:50:20Speaker 5: And we have to hide it unless somebody else takes
- 1:50:23Speaker 5: it or whatever. With my mother, it was always looking
- 1:50:26Speaker 5: for the most vivid experience. And I don't know why
- 1:50:28Speaker 5: that was. Her parents weren't like that. It's just how
- 1:50:31Speaker 5: she was. And then you either have my brother. I
- 1:50:33Speaker 5: don't know if you have siblings or not, but my
- 1:50:35Speaker 5: brother dealt with it totally different. My brother imploded. So
- 1:50:39Speaker 5: he lives his life as simply as you can possibly
- 1:50:42Speaker 5: live it. Whereas me, it was my reaction was.
- 1:50:45Speaker 3: The other way.
- 1:50:46Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. So how now and why? I don't know.
- 1:50:51Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 1:50:54Speaker 5: I'm 45 years old. It feels like a good age
- 1:50:56Speaker 5: to go, okay, do I want to go Nick Nolte
- 1:50:59Speaker 5: or do I want to go... Right, right, right, right.
- 1:51:02Speaker 3: And I can do that.
- 1:51:03Speaker 5: Easy.
- 1:51:04Speaker 3: Nick used to date Vicky Lewis, who was on news
- 1:51:08Speaker 3: radio with me.
- 1:51:09Speaker 5: No way. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:51:10Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
- 1:51:11Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
- 1:51:12Speaker 3: I remember Vicky well. Super talented.
- 1:51:14Speaker 5: Super talented.
- 1:51:15Speaker 3: Yeah, could sing, could act. She was a firebrand.
- 1:51:18Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:51:18Speaker 3: And Nick... we used to hang around the set and
- 1:51:22Speaker 3: it was always so weird to me to be talking
- 1:51:24Speaker 3: to Nick Nolte. It was so strange.
- 1:51:26Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:51:27Speaker 3: I remember one time I went to Fry's Electronics because
- 1:51:30Speaker 3: I was going to buy some, I used to make
- 1:51:32Speaker 3: my own computers.
- 1:51:33Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:51:33Speaker 3: Because I was like really into like computer games. So
- 1:51:36Speaker 3: I'd like build my own computers.
- 1:51:38Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:51:39Speaker 3: And so I'm there like looking at motherships and I
- 1:51:41Speaker 3: see this fucking old guy with his glasses on and
- 1:51:44Speaker 3: I go, I go, Nick. He goes, oh, hey, Joe.
- 1:51:47Speaker 3: How are you, man? Do you know anything about these things?
- 1:51:50Speaker 3: I was talking to him about computer stuff, but I
- 1:51:52Speaker 3: just couldn't believe he knows my name. He remembered me.
- 1:51:56Speaker 5: He saved my life, man. He saved my life at 25.
- 1:52:00Speaker 3: Bro, there's a terrible movie called Warrior.
- 1:52:02Speaker 5: It's a terrible movie.
- 1:52:03Speaker 3: Terrible movie. You mean the UFC movie with Tom Hardy?
- 1:52:06Speaker 3: That movie sucks. But he's... fucking incredible in it he's
- 1:52:10Speaker 3: amazing his one scene this one scene when he breaks
- 1:52:13Speaker 3: down you know he's the dad it's so fucking good
- 1:52:18Speaker 3: it's so good that one scene is worth sitting through
- 1:52:21Speaker 3: the entire preposterous movie yeah why do you hate that
- 1:52:24Speaker 3: movie so much because it's fake you can't have you
- 1:52:26Speaker 3: can't fight like two days in a.
- 1:52:29Speaker 5: Row wasn't the Tyson Jake fight wasn't that amazing yeah.
- 1:52:39Speaker 3: It's amazing they got paid so much money for that.
- 1:52:41Speaker 5: $ 25 million and $ 40 million?
- 1:52:42Speaker 3: I think $ 20 and $ 40. Yeah, I think that's what
- 1:52:45Speaker 3: I'd heard. You know, which I'm happy Mike got the money,
- 1:52:47Speaker 3: and I'm happy that he didn't get hurt. That was
- 1:52:49Speaker 3: my fear that it was going to be a real
- 1:52:50Speaker 3: fight and he was going to get hurt.
- 1:52:51Speaker 5: You've known him for a long time. I've known him
- 1:52:53Speaker 5: for a long time.
- 1:52:54Speaker 3: I love that dude.
- 1:52:55Speaker 5: Me too.
- 1:52:55Speaker 3: And he was a, like, larger-than-life figure in my childhood.
- 1:52:59Speaker 5: Truly, me too.
- 1:52:59Speaker 3: When I was a kid, when he was the champ.
- 1:53:01Speaker 3: It was like people don't understand what a champ he was.
- 1:53:05Speaker 3: Like he wasn't just the heavyweight champ of the world.
- 1:53:07Speaker 3: He was an executioner. Like every fight was just a
- 1:53:11Speaker 3: matter of how long was it going to last.
- 1:53:12Speaker 5: I don't remember which fight it was that I went
- 1:53:14Speaker 5: to go see a couple of fights. And I actually
- 1:53:15Speaker 5: went to go see Julio Cesar Chavez fight. And that's
- 1:53:19Speaker 5: when I met Tyson in the green room. And I
- 1:53:21Speaker 5: met at the same time Muhammad Ali in the green room.
- 1:53:24Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
- 1:53:25Speaker 5: That was a moment.
- 1:53:26Speaker 3: Wow.
- 1:53:27Speaker 5: As a boxing fan, that was a real moment. But
- 1:53:29Speaker 5: I remember, and I don't know who it was, and
- 1:53:32Speaker 5: I think it was a 90-second fight, and I went
- 1:53:34Speaker 5: to go see this fight, and Tyson was fighting, and
- 1:53:36Speaker 5: this guy was doing this stuff. And he had this cut.
- 1:53:40Speaker 5: He had built himself into confidence. And Mike came out afterwards.
- 1:53:46Speaker 5: He was the first one, obviously. And Mike came out afterwards,
- 1:53:49Speaker 5: and I watched his face. I didn't watch Mike. You
- 1:53:52Speaker 5: would normally watch Mike because he's so charismatic, and he's coming,
- 1:53:54Speaker 5: you want to see what he's going to do. And
- 1:53:56Speaker 5: I watched the guy's face. And I watched that confidence
- 1:53:59Speaker 5: bleed from his face instantaneously. He had absolutely lost the
- 1:54:05Speaker 5: fight long before Mike had ever gotten in the ring.
- 1:54:08Speaker 3: Yeah, I maintain that in a time where he was champion,
- 1:54:10Speaker 3: like the two or three years where he was at
- 1:54:12Speaker 3: his best, he's the greatest fighter of all time.
- 1:54:14Speaker 5: Of all time.
- 1:54:15Speaker 3: Of all time.
- 1:54:16Speaker 5: That's why it was so interesting to me as I
- 1:54:18Speaker 5: was watching it, and I'm very verbal when it comes
- 1:54:20Speaker 5: to that shit. Come on! What the fuck?
- 1:54:24Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And he's still quick. Oh, yeah.
- 1:54:28Speaker 3: He's still quick. He's still very quick. And he would
- 1:54:30Speaker 3: do these things. But, you know, Mike had, like, he
- 1:54:32Speaker 3: was walking with a cane just like a year and
- 1:54:34Speaker 3: a half ago.
- 1:54:35Speaker 5: Yeah, but he was really out of shape.
- 1:54:36Speaker 3: He had bad sciatica.
- 1:54:37Speaker 5: Bad sciatica. Yeah.
- 1:54:38Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yeah, real bad. It wasn't that
- 1:54:42Speaker 3: long ago that he was, you know, I mean, when
- 1:54:44Speaker 3: I first met him, he was very, very heavy. He
- 1:54:46Speaker 3: was not working out at all. And I asked him,
- 1:54:48Speaker 3: how come you don't work out? He goes, I don't
- 1:54:49Speaker 3: want to ignite my ego. He goes, I don't want
- 1:54:53Speaker 3: to ignite the gods of war.
- 1:54:55Speaker 5: The gods of war.
- 1:54:57Speaker 3: And then the second time he came in was when
- 1:55:00Speaker 3: he was preparing for the Roy Jones Jr.
- 1:55:01Speaker 6: Fight.
- 1:55:02Speaker 3: Came in here?
- 1:55:02Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:55:03Speaker 3: And he was a totally different human being. He was
- 1:55:05Speaker 3: fucking jacked and in shape. And he looked super intense.
- 1:55:09Speaker 3: And he was just, like, ready to go. And it
- 1:55:11Speaker 3: was terrifying.
- 1:55:12Speaker 6: It was like.
- 1:55:12Speaker 3: And Jamie... Wait, when was this? A few years ago.
- 1:55:15Speaker 3: Four years ago? Four years ago? And so when he
- 1:55:19Speaker 3: came in the second time, I was like, this is,
- 1:55:20Speaker 3: Jamie said it afterwards. He's like, that's a totally different
- 1:55:23Speaker 3: human being than the first time we saw him. He
- 1:55:25Speaker 3: was one of the first guys, like, like I said,
- 1:55:26Speaker 3: with Nick Nolte, he was like, is that really Nick Nolte?
- 1:55:28Speaker 3: This is crazy. I can't believe he's right there. Mike
- 1:55:31Speaker 3: Tyson was one of the first people that I met
- 1:55:33Speaker 3: that I can't believe he's really here. Cause just like,
- 1:55:36Speaker 3: he was so iconic. Like you had to be alive
- 1:55:41Speaker 3: and be a kid during the time where he was
- 1:55:43Speaker 3: the champion to understand what he was. Cause there was,
- 1:55:47Speaker 3: After Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but
- 1:55:50Speaker 3: no one liked him because he beat up Muhammad Ali.
- 1:55:52Speaker 3: So people always just wanted him to lose.
- 1:55:53Speaker 5: Yeah, but is that the only reason? There's just a
- 1:55:56Speaker 5: certain air of somebody and they come along once in.
- 1:55:58Speaker 3: A great while. Yes, but Larry Holmes never got his due.
- 1:56:02Speaker 3: He was an amazing fighter.
- 1:56:03Speaker 5: Amazing fighter, but still.
- 1:56:05Speaker 3: But when he retired, then there was just like a
- 1:56:07Speaker 3: series of boring champions. Like no one cared about the
- 1:56:10Speaker 3: heavyweight division at all. No one cared. And then the
- 1:56:14Speaker 3: cover of Sports Illustrated, I have it framed in my
- 1:56:17Speaker 3: office at home. It said Kid Dynamite on it.
- 1:56:20Speaker 5: And he was.
- 1:56:20Speaker 3: 19 years old, and I was like, who is this guy?
- 1:56:23Speaker 3: And then I started watching him fight, and then he
- 1:56:25Speaker 3: was fighting on like ABC, Wild World of Sports. You're like,
- 1:56:27Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
- 1:56:28Speaker 5: Do you find yourself going back and watching highlights just.
- 1:56:31Speaker 3: To do it?
- 1:56:31Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
- 1:56:31Speaker 3: I do it all the time. I watch Tyson fights
- 1:56:33Speaker 3: all the time.
- 1:56:34Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:56:34Speaker 3: Yeah. I just watched his fight with Frank Bruno just
- 1:56:37Speaker 3: a couple of days ago.
- 1:56:38Speaker 5: Frank Bruno. Oh, my God.
- 1:56:39Speaker 3: Tyson was something. I just don't think you can maintain that.
- 1:56:44Speaker 3: You can only do that for.
- 1:56:44Speaker 5: A few years. The only fights that never worked out,
- 1:56:47Speaker 5: do you remember the fight with him and Bone Crusher Smith?
- 1:56:49Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
- 1:56:50Speaker 5: Yeah. Not a great fight. No, wasn't the best fight.
- 1:56:52Speaker 5: Because Bone Crusher Smith was not a great fighter.
- 1:56:55Speaker 3: Well, he was a good fighter.
- 1:56:56Speaker 5: But not a great fighter.
- 1:56:57Speaker 3: Tough guy. Yeah. But, you know, brutal knockout puncher. It
- 1:57:00Speaker 3: just wasn't at Mike's level. Yeah. Mike was at a
- 1:57:04Speaker 3: level that no one was at. It was just, it
- 1:57:06Speaker 3: was an insane combination of discipline, talent, incredible coaching.
- 1:57:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:57:12Speaker 3: Psychology. You know, when he was 13 years old, he
- 1:57:15Speaker 3: was adopted by a guy who was a hypnotist. Cus
- 1:57:18Speaker 3: used to hypnotize him.
- 1:57:20Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't know that.
- 1:57:20Speaker 3: Yeah, he hypnotized him by the time he was 13.
- 1:57:24Speaker 5: Into being the greatest fighter?
- 1:57:25Speaker 3: Into being the greatest fighter.
- 1:57:27Speaker 5: Wow.
- 1:57:27Speaker 3: And he told him, you don't exist. Only the task exists.
- 1:57:32Speaker 3: And the task was just destruction.
- 1:57:33Speaker 5: Did Mike tell you that?
- 1:57:34Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:57:35Speaker 3: I've never heard him say that. Did he say that
- 1:57:37Speaker 3: to other people? Oh, yeah, he said it publicly. I've
- 1:57:38Speaker 3: never heard it. Yeah, he talked about the hypnotist. The hypnosis,
- 1:57:42Speaker 3: he started doing it when he was 13 years old.
- 1:57:44Speaker 5: So what's the parallel between, and this is the last
- 1:57:46Speaker 5: thing I'll interview you about. What's the thing between Tyson
- 1:57:50Speaker 5: and Jon Jones? Who I met once and I looked
- 1:57:53Speaker 5: at him when I met him on a plane. And
- 1:57:55Speaker 5: he didn't give me really the time of day. But
- 1:57:58Speaker 5: I was like, I'm a huge fan. And I don't
- 1:58:00Speaker 5: say that often to a lot of people.
- 1:58:02Speaker 3: He probably gets that all day long.
- 1:58:03Speaker 5: I'm sure he does. There's no doubt. Special fighter.
- 1:58:06Speaker 3: It's conquerors. That's what it is. They're both conquerors. I
- 1:58:11Speaker 3: had this thing that I put up on my Instagram
- 1:58:12Speaker 3: the other day that somebody made. It was me talking
- 1:58:15Speaker 3: about trying to explain why John exists. That there's people
- 1:58:18Speaker 3: that are just different. They're wired different. And they are
- 1:58:23Speaker 3: uncommon amongst uncommon men. They just rise to the top
- 1:58:27Speaker 3: of the top.
- 1:58:28Speaker 5: They're the black op of their promotion.
- 1:58:29Speaker 3: And they just dominate. They just dominate. And that's John.
- 1:58:32Speaker 3: He's just the greatest of all time.
- 1:58:34Speaker 5: It's exciting to watch.
- 1:58:35Speaker 3: He's 37 years old and he's still the greatest.
- 1:58:37Speaker 5: That's crazy. I mean, watching that fight, watching Tyson or
- 1:58:41Speaker 5: Jake Paul or whatever. Jake Paul. I wouldn't even want
- 1:58:44Speaker 5: to say Tyson. And then going the next day and
- 1:58:47Speaker 5: watching that fight. Watching those fights. It wasn't the only fight.
- 1:58:50Speaker 5: The one before was.
- 1:58:54Speaker 5: What was his name? The fight before John Jones.
- 1:58:56Speaker 3: Oh, Charles Oliveira and Michael Chandler. Yeah, incredible fight. Incredible fight.
- 1:59:00Speaker 5: Amazing fight.
- 1:59:01Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, John is a special dude. When he's gone,
- 1:59:04Speaker 3: we're all going to miss him. He's a different kind
- 1:59:06Speaker 3: of guy. I mean, he's been at the top for
- 1:59:09Speaker 3: 14 fucking years. He won the title as the youngest
- 1:59:11Speaker 3: guy to ever win a UFC title.
- 1:59:14Speaker 5: 23.
- 1:59:14Speaker 3: And Mike was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time
- 1:59:17Speaker 3: at 20, which is really crazy. Crazy.
- 1:59:18Speaker 5: Crazy.
- 1:59:19Speaker 3: But when Jon Jones won that title at 23, it's
- 1:59:23Speaker 3: just been destruction of everyone ever since. Never ducked anybody,
- 1:59:29Speaker 3: fought all the best, destroyed everybody, dominated his division, went
- 1:59:33Speaker 3: up to heavyweight, dominates at heavyweight.
- 1:59:34Speaker 5: So why does somebody like that self-destruct? Is that a self-destruction?
- 1:59:38Speaker 3: Because he's a wild motherfucker. That's how you get to
- 1:59:41Speaker 3: be that good.
- 1:59:41Speaker 5: Isn't that what we're talking about the whole time? Whether
- 1:59:44Speaker 5: it's Hunter S. Thompson and this. and how you walk
- 1:59:47Speaker 5: that line. Mike Tyson spending whatever, 350, 400 million dollars,
- 1:59:51Speaker 5: going to jail, whatever that is. Wild.
- 1:59:54Speaker 3: But that's also what makes you so good, that wildness.
- 1:59:57Speaker 3: Jon Jones, when he fought Mauricio Shogun Hua for the
- 1:59:59Speaker 3: light heavyweight title when he was 23 years old, he
- 2:00:02Speaker 3: opens up the fight with a flying knee. Nobody does that.
- 2:00:05Speaker 3: You're fighting a legend. Shogun, at that time, when he
- 2:00:07Speaker 3: was the light heavyweight champion, He was a legend, and
- 2:00:10Speaker 3: not just a legend from the UFC, but a legend
- 2:00:12Speaker 3: from Pride. Pride was this gigantic organization in Japan that Shogun.
- 2:00:17Speaker 5: Really became famous.
- 2:00:19Speaker 3: So he was like a mythical creature almost in MMA circles.
- 2:00:23Speaker 3: That was Shogun Hua.
- 2:00:24Speaker 5: He was a beast. Conor McGregor and Jon Jones.
- 2:00:29Speaker 3: Jon's in a different category.
- 2:00:30Speaker 5: It's a different thing.
- 2:00:31Speaker 3: Yeah, Conor self-destructed in a lot of ways because of money.
- 2:00:39Speaker 3: You know, I mean, he took that fight with Floyd Mayweather,
- 2:00:42Speaker 3: made a ton of money off that and then took
- 2:00:45Speaker 3: a long time before he came back to MMA. And
- 2:00:47Speaker 3: it's just not been the same guy since. And I
- 2:00:50Speaker 3: think that's just it's money. It's a lot of partying,
- 2:00:54Speaker 3: but it's the same kind of thing. It's just a while.
- 2:00:56Speaker 3: But in his prime, when when Conor was in his prime,
- 2:00:59Speaker 3: he was.
- 2:00:59Speaker 5: He was a fucking assassin.
- 2:01:01Speaker 3: He was a fucking assassin.
- 2:01:02Speaker 5: But it's that thing, that through line of not being
- 2:01:05Speaker 5: able to let go. It's like what you were talking about, Chappelle.
- 2:01:07Speaker 5: Chappelle leaves for 10 years, but then he goes to
- 2:01:09Speaker 5: the park and he does a thing. There's a thing
- 2:01:11Speaker 5: that's insatiable, that warrior mentality.
- 2:01:13Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a difference because physically you can only
- 2:01:16Speaker 3: fight for so long.
- 2:01:17Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
- 2:01:18Speaker 3: Comedy, you get better every year.
- 2:01:19Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 2:01:20Speaker 3: Dave's better now than he was a year ago. He'd
- 2:01:22Speaker 3: be better two years.
- 2:01:22Speaker 5: From now than he is now. You can still be
- 2:01:24Speaker 5: Rodney Dangerfield eventually. Right.
- 2:01:26Speaker 3: When I saw him, he was probably 70 years old,
- 2:01:28Speaker 3: and he was murdering in his fucking bathrobe, naked.
- 2:01:31Speaker 5: With his schlong hanging out.
- 2:01:33Speaker 3: Yeah, he was still amazing because it's not a physical thing.
- 2:01:38Speaker 3: Your body can only compete at the highest levels for
- 2:01:41Speaker 3: so long, which is one of the things that's so
- 2:01:42Speaker 3: extraordinary about John. Because he's 37, and he still competes
- 2:01:45Speaker 3: at the highest level.
- 2:01:46Speaker 5: It blew my mind the other night. It was exciting.
- 2:01:50Speaker 5: It was nice to be excited about something.
- 2:01:52Speaker 3: Steve Bates passed his prime, unfortunately, and he's got a
- 2:01:54Speaker 3: lot of wear on the tires, and it was kind
- 2:01:56Speaker 3: of rough watching him get beat up like that. But
- 2:01:59Speaker 3: that's the game they play.
- 2:02:00Speaker 5: That's the sport. Yeah, and what's great about UFC that
- 2:02:03Speaker 5: I never thought would last in the beginning, the great
- 2:02:06Speaker 5: thing is anything can happen. Anything can happen.
- 2:02:09Speaker 3: Frank Fertitta and Lorenzo Fertitta always said that every fight,
- 2:02:12Speaker 3: every UFC, we sell holy shit moments. That's what he said.
- 2:02:17Speaker 3: Like there's moments in the fight where you're like, holy shit.
- 2:02:19Speaker 3: You look around at each other and everybody like.
- 2:02:21Speaker 5: Dude, nobody does it better than you when you do this.
- 2:02:23Speaker 5: You go back and you're thinking, you go, oh!
- 2:02:26Speaker 3: And your eyes are this big. We always did that,
- 2:02:28Speaker 3: but then they started putting cameras on us. Right. And
- 2:02:30Speaker 3: I don't know why, when they started doing that.
- 2:02:32Speaker 5: You and Cormier?
- 2:02:32Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:02:33Speaker 3: We always did that. Every time something would happen, we
- 2:02:36Speaker 3: would throw our.
- 2:02:36Speaker 5: Because it's organic. It's like you can't help it. That's
- 2:02:38Speaker 5: what I'm doing at home.
- 2:02:40Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 2:02:40Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:02:41Speaker 5: Holy fuck.
- 2:02:42Speaker 3: Holy shit. Yeah. Holy shit. Holy shit.
- 2:02:44Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:02:45Speaker 3: There's moments where you just like, you can't believe it's
- 2:02:47Speaker 3: really happening.
- 2:02:48Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 2:02:48Speaker 3: That's the sport. The sport is, it's the craziest sport.
- 2:02:51Speaker 3: It's the highest consequences of any sport. It's just, it's
- 2:02:55Speaker 3: so raw and dangerous and you can't look away. It's
- 2:02:58Speaker 3: so crazy. And when someone can dominate it, like John
- 2:03:01Speaker 3: Jones or George St. Pierre or Mighty Mouse or any
- 2:03:04Speaker 3: of the greats.
- 2:03:05Speaker 5: George St. Pierre, another great one.
- 2:03:07Speaker 3: Greats. When they can do that, it's like that's a
- 2:03:10Speaker 3: different kind of human being. I mean, to be the
- 2:03:13Speaker 3: best of the best people, the best people in the
- 2:03:16Speaker 3: world at fighting, and then he's the best of the
- 2:03:18Speaker 3: best people. And when George was in his prime, it
- 2:03:20Speaker 3: was that same sort of thing. You would see him
- 2:03:21Speaker 3: standing there, like this intense look in his eyes, just
- 2:03:24Speaker 3: couldn't wait to get his fucking hands on that guy.
- 2:03:26Speaker 3: You're like, God damn. I feel very, very, very, very
- 2:03:31Speaker 3: fortunate that I've been able to witness personally so many
- 2:03:34Speaker 3: of those moments and be there to watch greatness so
- 2:03:38Speaker 3: many times.
- 2:03:39Speaker 5: I think it's great that you've continued. It's surprising to me.
- 2:03:43Speaker 5: I love it. I know you do. And that's why
- 2:03:45Speaker 5: you continue to do it.
- 2:03:46Speaker 3: I did the first like 13 of them for free.
- 2:03:49Speaker 3: First 13 ever? Yeah, the first thing I did. No,
- 2:03:52Speaker 3: it was like UFC 37.
- 2:03:55Speaker 5: Oh, when you got into it.
- 2:03:56Speaker 3: I started working at UFC 12. UFC 12 was the
- 2:03:59Speaker 3: first event that I did in 1997. I was the
- 2:04:01Speaker 3: post-fight interview guy. And so I did that for a
- 2:04:05Speaker 3: couple of years, but it was banned from cable. It
- 2:04:09Speaker 3: was basically like- That's.
- 2:04:10Speaker 5: Why I said it was going, it kind of went
- 2:04:11Speaker 5: like this, and then it was going down.
- 2:04:13Speaker 3: Boxing did it to them. Boxing in cahoots with Budweiser,
- 2:04:16Speaker 3: which is funny because now Bud White sponsors the UFC.
- 2:04:18Speaker 1: Right, right.
- 2:04:19Speaker 3: But they all wanted the MMA thing to go away.
- 2:04:21Speaker 3: To go away. Because it was so exciting and crazy,
- 2:04:23Speaker 3: they thought of it as a threat.
- 2:04:25Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:04:26Speaker 3: And they essentially banished it. It also just had this
- 2:04:29Speaker 3: unsavory look to it. You're fighting in a cage. Back
- 2:04:33Speaker 3: in those days, it was bare knuckle.
- 2:04:34Speaker 5: Bare knuckle.
- 2:04:35Speaker 3: You know, and then.
- 2:04:36Speaker 5: It was bloody.
- 2:04:37Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just crazy. It was like they would
- 2:04:39Speaker 3: call it human cockfighting, you know, which I always found disgusting.
- 2:04:43Speaker 3: But me as a martial artist, the question was always
- 2:04:46Speaker 3: what would happen if you got a judo guy and
- 2:04:49Speaker 3: he fought a wrestler? What would happen if you got
- 2:04:51Speaker 3: a boxer and he fought a karate guy? And the
- 2:04:52Speaker 3: UFC is like, let's find out.
- 2:04:54Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:04:55Speaker 3: So Horry and Gracie came up with this concept.
- 2:04:57Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say.
- 2:04:58Speaker 3: Gracie was one of the first judo versus jiu-jitsu, right? Well, Hoist.
- 2:05:03Speaker 3: Hoist was the first champion of the UFC. And he
- 2:05:05Speaker 3: was the first guy to introduce that technique is more
- 2:05:08Speaker 3: important than everything. Technique is more important than being big,
- 2:05:12Speaker 3: more important than being strong. Because Hoist was like, 175 pounds.
- 2:05:16Speaker 3: He was very slight and long and just a jiu-jitsu wizard.
- 2:05:21Speaker 3: And he would get guys on the ground and strangle
- 2:05:23Speaker 3: the fuck out of them. And we were like, what happened?
- 2:05:25Speaker 5: This is crazy. You see this big jack guy. Awesome.
- 2:05:28Speaker 3: The big jack guy's tapping. You're like, what? What happened?
- 2:05:31Speaker 3: And Hoist just opened up the world to Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
- 2:05:34Speaker 3: And it made Brazilian jiu-jitsu the most popular martial art
- 2:05:37Speaker 3: on earth. His appearances in the UFC changed the entire
- 2:05:41Speaker 3: course of martial arts. His family changed. The Gracie family,
- 2:05:44Speaker 3: particularly his father Elio, his brother Hickson, his brother Hoyler,
- 2:05:49Speaker 3: and Horian, of course, because he created the UFC. They
- 2:05:51Speaker 3: changed martial arts forever. More development and evolution of martial
- 2:05:57Speaker 3: arts has taken place over the last 30 years than
- 2:05:59Speaker 3: over the last 30,000 years.
- 2:06:00Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
- 2:06:02Speaker 3: Like really, that's accurate. Like fighting is different. People really
- 2:06:07Speaker 3: understand what works and what doesn't work now.
- 2:06:08Speaker 5: And watching him was balletic. It was like a ballet.
- 2:06:11Speaker 3: Yes.
- 2:06:12Speaker 5: It was art. It was art.
- 2:06:14Speaker 3: It's real martial arts.
- 2:06:15Speaker 6: No.
- 2:06:16Speaker 5: It wasn't that.
- 2:06:17Speaker 3: His dad told him, don't hurt these people. Don't hurt them.
- 2:06:21Speaker 3: You don't have to hurt them. Show them the art.
- 2:06:22Speaker 5: Just submit them.
- 2:06:23Speaker 3: Show them the art. Yeah. So, like, Hoist, when he
- 2:06:25Speaker 3: got on top of people, he wasn't, like, elbowing them,
- 2:06:27Speaker 3: the eyeballs.
- 2:06:28Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 2:06:28Speaker 3: He was just strangling folks. Just arm-barring folks. Making them tap.
- 2:06:32Speaker 3: Making them quit.
- 2:06:33Speaker 5: That's wild.
- 2:06:34Speaker 3: And he did it to everybody. And they were all like,
- 2:06:35Speaker 3: what the fuck just happened? And then everybody had to
- 2:06:38Speaker 3: learn jiu-jitsu. It changed martial arts forever.
- 2:06:40Speaker 5: Do your kids do jiu-jitsu?
- 2:06:41Speaker 3: Yeah, my kids have done it, yeah.
- 2:06:43Speaker 5: Have done it.
- 2:06:43Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't do it anymore. They do other stuff.
- 2:06:45Speaker 3: I don't push them. No. If they wanted to do
- 2:06:47Speaker 3: it tomorrow, they said, I'm thinking about doing some kickboxing.
- 2:06:50Speaker 5: Let's do it.
- 2:06:50Speaker 3: Where do you want to go?
- 2:06:51Speaker 5: Right.
- 2:06:51Speaker 3: But I don't believe in... Everybody's different. I don't want
- 2:06:54Speaker 3: them to... Follow my footsteps or anything stupid like that.
- 2:06:58Speaker 3: I want you to be your own human being. What
- 2:07:00Speaker 3: are you interested in? They're both interested in different things.
- 2:07:02Speaker 3: My youngest is an artist. My other one is a
- 2:07:06Speaker 3: phenomenal athlete. It's like I think that you should do
- 2:07:09Speaker 3: what you want to do. And if you want to
- 2:07:11Speaker 3: do that, I'll bring you. I'll show you. I'll teach you.
- 2:07:14Speaker 3: I'll help you. But if you don't want to do that,
- 2:07:16Speaker 3: I don't want to push you.
- 2:07:17Speaker 5: Let me be a good parent and celebrate what my
- 2:07:19Speaker 5: kid is, not what I want.
- 2:07:20Speaker 3: There's so many different kinds of things you could be
- 2:07:23Speaker 3: interested in life. And everyone has a different psychology. So
- 2:07:26Speaker 3: everyone has different things they gravitate towards. It's just like,
- 2:07:29Speaker 3: what is the thing? Is it music? Is it art?
- 2:07:32Speaker 3: Is it your writing? What do you like to do?
- 2:07:34Speaker 3: Find that thing. Chase it down.
- 2:07:36Speaker 5: How many kids do you have? I have three. I
- 2:07:37Speaker 5: have a grown.
- 2:07:38Speaker 2: She's 28.
- 2:07:39Speaker 3: And I have a 16 and a 14.
- 2:07:39Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 2:07:40Speaker 3: I feel like you've got to do what compels you,
- 2:07:41Speaker 3: what drives you. And part of it as a parent
- 2:07:49Speaker 3: is like, there's so many stories of parents, particularly with
- 2:07:52Speaker 3: like talented athletes, that were too hard on the kid
- 2:07:56Speaker 3: and put too much discipline on the kid and the
- 2:07:58Speaker 3: kids burned out I've seen so many cases of that
- 2:08:02Speaker 3: you know with these sideline.
- 2:08:03Speaker 5: Parents that Asian mentality not here but.
- 2:08:07Speaker 3: There kill the joy you know what Royce Gracie's dad
- 2:08:11Speaker 3: used to do if he lost a competition he would
- 2:08:14Speaker 3: buy him a present.
- 2:08:16Speaker 5: Because what was the psychology.
- 2:08:17Speaker 3: Because they're always going to want to win Meaning the effort?
- 2:08:20Speaker 5: He bought the effort? He bought the present for the effort? No, no.
- 2:08:23Speaker 3: It's like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like here,
- 2:08:25Speaker 3: you have a toy. Here's a gift. Here's a thing.
- 2:08:29Speaker 3: Like this is just growth. This is just development. Hoyce's dad, Elio,
- 2:08:34Speaker 3: felt like you live the same life over and over
- 2:08:38Speaker 3: and over again until you get it right. He subscribed
- 2:08:40Speaker 3: to that like ancient Eastern philosophy of reincarnation. He really
- 2:08:46Speaker 3: believed you will live the same life over and over
- 2:08:49Speaker 3: until you get it right. And so his philosophy on.
- 2:08:53Speaker 5: Just do 1% better a day. Just do 1%. It's
- 2:08:57Speaker 5: not about going from here to here. It's not living
- 2:08:59Speaker 5: at 100% all the time.
- 2:09:00Speaker 3: It's the process.
- 2:09:01Speaker 5: It's the process.
- 2:09:02Speaker 3: It's the process. The constant process of growth.
- 2:09:04Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:09:04Speaker 3: And through that constant process... I mean, what they did
- 2:09:07Speaker 3: was even more crazy because... Ilio, along with Carlos Gracie,
- 2:09:12Speaker 3: they revolutionized a martial art. Jujitsu is brought over by
- 2:09:17Speaker 3: these judokas from Japan, Maeda and Kimura, who came over
- 2:09:22Speaker 3: to America, or came over to Brazil, rather, and trained
- 2:09:25Speaker 3: with the Gracies. And then they took those techniques and
- 2:09:29Speaker 3: made them applicable to smaller people. Made them applicable to...
- 2:09:32Speaker 3: Because Ilio was only 145 pounds. But even to have
- 2:09:35Speaker 3: these no-rules fights in Brazil... These fucking huge fights that
- 2:09:38Speaker 3: would go for like an hour and a half.
- 2:09:40Speaker 6: Wow.
- 2:09:41Speaker 3: Yeah. And he would just beat these guys with technique.
- 2:09:43Speaker 3: So they developed leverage. They figured out a way to
- 2:09:47Speaker 3: highlight the submissions and make things super technical. And they
- 2:09:51Speaker 3: would analyze moves and break them down. And it became
- 2:09:53Speaker 3: the philosophy of the entire family. That one family created
- 2:09:57Speaker 3: more fucking assassins than any other family in the history.
- 2:10:01Speaker 5: Of martial arts. And yet they're the nicest people. The
- 2:10:03Speaker 5: nicest people. Yeah.
- 2:10:04Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a horse in here a couple months ago.
- 2:10:06Speaker 2: He was awesome.
- 2:10:07Speaker 5: He's so fun. Do you know Ceci? No. She's with
- 2:10:11Speaker 5: Laird a lot. She's with Laird's place a lot.
- 2:10:13Speaker 3: I mean, they have a clan, bro.
- 2:10:15Speaker 5: It's a clan, but it's a close clan.
- 2:10:17Speaker 3: Yes.
- 2:10:17Speaker 5: And it's a friendly, familial clan.
- 2:10:20Speaker 2: Yep.
- 2:10:20Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very nice people. But that's the thing about jiu-jitsu.
- 2:10:23Speaker 3: It's like you get out all your aggression in the gym.
- 2:10:25Speaker 3: And it kills your ego.
- 2:10:27Speaker 5: And you can go be kind.
- 2:10:28Speaker 3: You can just be a nice person.
- 2:10:29Speaker 5: Be a nice person.
- 2:10:30Speaker 3: Jiu-jitsu people are some of the nicest people I've ever met.
- 2:10:32Speaker 5: Me too.
- 2:10:32Speaker 3: They're super friendly and warm and normal people. They just
- 2:10:36Speaker 3: are obsessed with this one thing. And through that thing,
- 2:10:39Speaker 3: it's like a vehicle for developing your human potential because
- 2:10:43Speaker 3: it's so difficult. And when you do a difficult thing,
- 2:10:46Speaker 3: it makes the rest of life a lot easier because
- 2:10:48Speaker 3: there's no way whatever you're experiencing during the day– is
- 2:10:51Speaker 3: going to be as difficult as someone on your back
- 2:10:54Speaker 3: trying to strangle the blood out of your brain. Like
- 2:10:57Speaker 3: literally trying to fucking choke the blood out of your head.
- 2:11:00Speaker 3: Like there's no way. There's no way life could be.
- 2:11:03Speaker 5: Harder than that.
- 2:11:04Speaker 3: But that's the thing is the wildness.
- 2:11:05Speaker 5: You have to have something.
- 2:11:07Speaker 3: To be a champion.
- 2:11:08Speaker 5: To be a champion or to be a good person,
- 2:11:10Speaker 5: I think. You have wildness, which we've talked about throughout
- 2:11:13Speaker 5: this whole thing.
- 2:11:14Speaker 3: If you don't have wildness, you're going to be boring.
- 2:11:15Speaker 5: Which if you bring it back, honestly, because I have
- 2:11:16Speaker 5: to bring it back to the book, that's what the
- 2:11:18Speaker 5: book is about. Yeah. Wildness unmitigated.
- 2:11:21Speaker 3: Right. But you eventually figured out a way to get
- 2:11:23Speaker 3: a grip on it.
- 2:11:24Speaker 5: That eventually turns out on you. Yeah. But most people,
- 2:11:27Speaker 5: it turns around and it bites you in the ass.
- 2:11:29Speaker 3: Most people.
- 2:11:29Speaker 5: And it's a sad ending.
- 2:11:30Speaker 3: But I think those sad endings are a valuable lesson
- 2:11:34Speaker 3: for the other people.
- 2:11:35Speaker 5: Power of example.
- 2:11:36Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:11:37Speaker 3: You learn from a lot of, one of the reasons
- 2:11:39Speaker 3: why I never did coke is when I was in
- 2:11:41Speaker 3: high school. My friend's cousin became a coke head. He
- 2:11:43Speaker 3: was a coke dealer and became a coke head. And
- 2:11:45Speaker 3: him and his girlfriend would just do coke and hide.
- 2:11:48Speaker 3: They had an attic apartment. They were in this fucking
- 2:11:51Speaker 3: apartment and were just doing coke and selling coke and
- 2:11:54Speaker 3: watching TV. And he withered away. He lost all this weight.
- 2:11:57Speaker 3: It looked like he got bit by a vampire.
- 2:11:59Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 2:11:59Speaker 3: And I remember thinking, Jesus Christ, stay the fuck away
- 2:12:02Speaker 3: from Coke.
- 2:12:03Speaker 5: It was terrifying. Why would you want to do that?
- 2:12:05Speaker 5: What would be attractive about that? Nothing.
- 2:12:06Speaker 3: I guess it's the– I mean, you've done it. I
- 2:12:08Speaker 3: haven't done it. I guess it's the euphoria when you
- 2:12:11Speaker 3: get that hit, that feeling, that feeling of elevation, that
- 2:12:16Speaker 3: feeling of like you just know fear and you feel excited.
- 2:12:20Speaker 3: You want to start a business with people.
- 2:12:21Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:12:24Speaker 3: You got plans. We're going to fucking take over.
- 2:12:27Speaker 5: I just love in the description of it, the eyes
- 2:12:29Speaker 5: kind of get like this and the craziness. And you go, yeah,
- 2:12:32Speaker 5: it's bad for everybody else. It may be good for
- 2:12:34Speaker 5: you for like 15 minutes, but everybody else is fucking
- 2:12:37Speaker 5: miserable around you.
- 2:12:38Speaker 3: The worst thing to me was when I would be high,
- 2:12:40Speaker 3: like smoking weed, and I'd be like just chilled and silly,
- 2:12:43Speaker 3: and I'd run into a coke head. And you're like, oh, no.
- 2:12:46Speaker 5: He's trying to talk to you like this.
- 2:12:48Speaker 3: And you just get battered with, like, talk.
- 2:12:50Speaker 2: You're like, I got to get out of here.
- 2:12:53Speaker 5: It's disgusting to me.
- 2:12:54Speaker 3: It's a weird drug. It's a weird drug, but it's
- 2:12:57Speaker 3: obviously very popular.
- 2:12:58Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 2:12:59Speaker 3: And it causes a lot of problems.
- 2:13:01Speaker 5: Yeah, no thanks anymore. Yeah. No thanks.
- 2:13:03Speaker 3: I'm good. Not interested in that one.
- 2:13:05Speaker 5: You smoke your butt. I'll smoke my cigar.
- 2:13:07Speaker 3: Yeah, I like cigars, too. Cigars are conversational.
- 2:13:10Speaker 5: They are.
- 2:13:10Speaker 3: They're tools for conversation.
- 2:13:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:13:13Speaker 3: They relax you, light your brain up a little bit.
- 2:13:15Speaker 3: Get you a little, a little fired up.
- 2:13:17Speaker 5: Read this book when you can.
- 2:13:18Speaker 3: I will.
- 2:13:19Speaker 5: Seriously. I think you'll like it.
- 2:13:21Speaker 3: I know I'll like it. I like talking to you.
- 2:13:22Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:13:23Speaker 5: It's, uh, yeah. You'll laugh. You'll laugh. Not everybody will
- 2:13:28Speaker 5: laugh when they read the book. You will laugh. Cause
- 2:13:31Speaker 5: I think you understand absurdity.
- 2:13:33Speaker 3: How long did it take you to put it together?
- 2:13:35Speaker 5: Three years. It's nonlinear. It goes all over the place
- 2:13:39Speaker 5: in all these years.
- 2:13:40Speaker 3: Did you have, when you sat down, did you have
- 2:13:42Speaker 3: like a framework in mind of how you wanted to
- 2:13:44Speaker 3: pursue it?
- 2:13:45Speaker 5: No, no, no. Cause I've written probably 90 journals in
- 2:13:48Speaker 5: my life, 90 full journals. And I would go back
- 2:13:51Speaker 5: and I kind of started to put some of those
- 2:13:53Speaker 5: together and I'd go, Oh, that happened in 88 or
- 2:13:55Speaker 5: that happened in 76. And that, you know, that kind
- 2:13:58Speaker 5: of stands out as being a milestone moment or whatever.
- 2:14:01Speaker 5: And I'd start to write those down. They were really
- 2:14:03Speaker 5: poorly written. And then that started to instigate one thing
- 2:14:06Speaker 5: and another thing. And it kind of wrote itself. I
- 2:14:09Speaker 5: think it was 450 pages when I finished. And then
- 2:14:13Speaker 5: I knocked it down to like 240.
- 2:14:15Speaker 3: What is that process like, the editing process?
- 2:14:17Speaker 5: That's a good process. That's the hardest process I've ever
- 2:14:20Speaker 5: gone through. But you become a better writer.
- 2:14:22Speaker 3: Do you do it with an editor or do you
- 2:14:24Speaker 3: do it by yourself?
- 2:14:25Speaker 5: No, I did it with an editor because I didn't
- 2:14:27Speaker 5: sell the book right away. First of all, most memoirs
- 2:14:30Speaker 5: are not written by the people who they're about, which
- 2:14:32Speaker 5: makes no sense to me.
- 2:14:33Speaker 2: Right.
- 2:14:33Speaker 5: Because you're writing about yourself, but you're hiring somebody else
- 2:14:36Speaker 5: to do it, but you're taking the money. I don't
- 2:14:38Speaker 5: get it. So I wrote it. I wrote the entire book.
- 2:14:41Speaker 5: Then I sold it. So I didn't sell it based
- 2:14:44Speaker 5: on a celebrity. I sold it based on the book
- 2:14:47Speaker 5: because you could read the book. And some people hated it.
- 2:14:49Speaker 5: Some people read it and they go, I don't get it.
- 2:14:52Speaker 5: It's too wild. It's too whatever.
- 2:14:54Speaker 3: Well, everything is not for everybody.
- 2:14:56Speaker 5: Exactly. And that's okay.
- 2:14:58Speaker 3: Yeah. It's more than okay.
- 2:15:00Speaker 5: What's wild is when I was in the middle, which
- 2:15:03Speaker 5: I think you would like, when I was in the
- 2:15:05Speaker 5: middle of doing the audible for the book, about halfway
- 2:15:08Speaker 5: through stumbling through the audible, I go, what the fuck
- 2:15:11Speaker 5: did I do? I should burn any evidence that this
- 2:15:15Speaker 5: fucking was ever even thought about. And then I spiraled
- 2:15:20Speaker 5: for about a month. And I don't spiral. I just
- 2:15:22Speaker 5: don't spiral about anything. I'm pretty cool with anything that
- 2:15:27Speaker 5: comes along. And then people started reading the book. And
- 2:15:31Speaker 5: then I got this varied response that was always visceral.
- 2:15:35Speaker 5: It was never like, I really liked your book a lot.
- 2:15:37Speaker 5: I thought it was well-written and all that. Somebody would go, fuck.
- 2:15:41Speaker 5: And that's nice.
- 2:15:41Speaker 3: That means you nailed it. I don't know. Yeah.
- 2:15:44Speaker 5: I don't know. But I do know that the responses
- 2:15:47Speaker 5: are good.
- 2:15:47Speaker 3: Well, that's what's important.
- 2:15:49Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 2:15:49Speaker 3: It's working. It had a desired effect. You got out
- 2:15:52Speaker 3: your thoughts. You got out your experiences.
- 2:15:55Speaker 5: But that editing process is a good process because you
- 2:15:59Speaker 5: refine and you clarify and you simplify.
- 2:16:02Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 2:16:02Speaker 5: That's cool.
- 2:16:03Speaker 3: You get to look at it with fresh eyes.
- 2:16:04Speaker 5: With fresh eyes. Yeah. You know, it's the arm bar.
- 2:16:07Speaker 5: You could just grab an arm and then try to
- 2:16:09Speaker 5: bend it as much as you can. Or you can
- 2:16:11Speaker 5: fucking figure out how to get in there every time.
- 2:16:13Speaker 3: Did you.
- 2:16:14Speaker 5: And tap the guy out.
- 2:16:15Speaker 3: Did you always know that you were going to do this?
- 2:16:17Speaker 3: You're going to write this book?
- 2:16:18Speaker 5: No, I'd written two or three books and put them
- 2:16:21Speaker 5: in the corner in a dark corner and let them
- 2:16:23Speaker 5: accumulate dust. You know, I've never I never thought I
- 2:16:26Speaker 5: would do it publicly. Because I was always into that
- 2:16:28Speaker 5: thing of like, oh, you're an actor and like, get
- 2:16:30Speaker 5: over it. You want to be a writer. You want
- 2:16:32Speaker 5: to be a writer, you want to be a musician.
- 2:16:34Speaker 5: Every actor wants to be a musician.
- 2:16:35Speaker 3: Every actor wants to be a rock star.
- 2:16:37Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
- 2:16:38Speaker 3: And I was like, nah.
- 2:16:39Speaker 5: And then this lady read this book, this lit agent,
- 2:16:41Speaker 5: and she said, I said it the third time, and
- 2:16:44Speaker 5: she said, you need to fucking stop saying, referencing yourself
- 2:16:48Speaker 5: as an actor who's a writer. You're a fucking writer
- 2:16:51Speaker 5: and a really good writer. Just write. And she was
- 2:16:54Speaker 5: tough on me.
- 2:16:54Speaker 3: So you feel like you had like, Almost like a disclaimer,
- 2:16:59Speaker 3: like I'm an actor.
- 2:17:00Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I did.
- 2:17:01Speaker 3: That's what you're doing, giving yourself like an escape.
- 2:17:03Speaker 5: I did because there was something about that profession anyway
- 2:17:06Speaker 5: that I always looked at and I always thought, why
- 2:17:08Speaker 5: do I do this? This is dumb.
- 2:17:12Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
- 2:17:14Speaker 5: And where's the self-importance come from? Like what happened to
- 2:17:17Speaker 5: the wagon that just went down and people tried to
- 2:17:19Speaker 5: shoot you?
- 2:17:19Speaker 3: Doesn't the self-importance just come from attention? You get extraordinary
- 2:17:23Speaker 3: amounts of attention and people develop self-importance because of that
- 2:17:26Speaker 3: because they think they deserve that attention.
- 2:17:28Speaker 5: Because it's a false thing.
- 2:17:30Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 2:17:30Speaker 5: And then you start seeing people manifest it like, excuse me,
- 2:17:33Speaker 5: I said hot coffee. I didn't say warm coffee. I said,
- 2:17:37Speaker 5: you know, and you go, I don't understand the mentality.
- 2:17:41Speaker 5: So for me, it's probably another attempt, which I think
- 2:17:45Speaker 5: I've manifested in a bunch of different ways of right sizing.
- 2:17:50Speaker 5: and there's nothing like that will right size you like
- 2:17:53Speaker 5: a fucking book put you right back into why are
- 2:17:58Speaker 5: you doing what you were doing where do you come
- 2:18:00Speaker 5: from how do you feel about your kids where's your
- 2:18:04Speaker 5: sensitivity hmm Where are things that have become concrete that
- 2:18:09Speaker 5: you need to break in order to feel again? Where
- 2:18:13Speaker 5: are you limiting yourself? And I don't like the idea
- 2:18:17Speaker 5: of limiting myself. Did I love drinking? Fuck yeah. I
- 2:18:23Speaker 5: had so much fun, dude. And so did a lot
- 2:18:26Speaker 5: of other people. But I go, this is now limiting. Well,
- 2:18:31Speaker 5: don't you want to go out and take a drink?
- 2:18:32Speaker 5: I go, fuck no. When you're out with a bunch
- 2:18:35Speaker 5: of people having fun? No, because I'm having fun.
- 2:18:37Speaker 2: Right.
- 2:18:38Speaker 3: You don't need to drink to have fun. But there's
- 2:18:40Speaker 3: a thing when you're drinking a lot and having fun,
- 2:18:42Speaker 3: you think this is the reason why I'm having fun.
- 2:18:44Speaker 3: This is the reason why I'm having fun.
- 2:18:45Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 2:18:46Speaker 3: It's a trap.
- 2:18:46Speaker 5: That's the trap. Yeah. That's the trap.
- 2:18:49Speaker 3: Well, you know, you can have a drink or two
- 2:18:51Speaker 3: and really enjoy yourself. Or you could think that the
- 2:18:53Speaker 3: only reason why you're enjoying yourself is because you're having
- 2:18:55Speaker 3: a drink or two.
- 2:18:56Speaker 5: And that's usually why you have more drinks. Because you
- 2:18:58Speaker 5: think this is the reason. People are liking me right now.
- 2:19:01Speaker 5: This is the reason people think I'm funny.
- 2:19:04Speaker 3: And you keep chasing that dragon.
- 2:19:05Speaker 5: Imagine if you went on stage, and every time you
- 2:19:07Speaker 5: went on stage, you had to have at least six drinks.
- 2:19:10Speaker 5: Because you go, this is what they want. And then
- 2:19:12Speaker 5: you wake up in the morning, and your kid goes
- 2:19:14Speaker 5: and wakes you up, and you're like.
- 2:19:16Speaker 3: Ah, fuck.
- 2:19:20Speaker 5: And you go, that's not worth it.
- 2:19:22Speaker 3: What's the fucking dude's name from Knight Rider? You know
- 2:19:24Speaker 3: who I'm talking about.
- 2:19:25Speaker 5: Oh, David Hasselhoff?
- 2:19:26Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:19:26Speaker 3: You ever see that video?
- 2:19:27Speaker 5: Of course I did.
- 2:19:28Speaker 3: The kids.
- 2:19:28Speaker 5: The burger video.
- 2:19:29Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 2:19:30Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:19:30Speaker 3: It's the saddest fucking thing ever.
- 2:19:31Speaker 5: Yeah. It didn't look like a good burger.
- 2:19:33Speaker 3: Well, he's just hammered and his kid filmed it.
- 2:19:36Speaker 5: It's awful, man. Oh, it's so awful.
- 2:19:37Speaker 3: It's so cringy. Yeah. That's what everybody's afraid of.
- 2:19:41Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:19:41Speaker 3: Becoming that pathetic example.
- 2:19:43Speaker 5: To your children. And you wonder how much that exists
- 2:19:46Speaker 5: and the video's not going. That daughter videoed that.
- 2:19:50Speaker 3: Right.
- 2:19:50Speaker 5: Like, I want you to see what this looks like.
- 2:19:53Speaker 2: Right.
- 2:19:53Speaker 5: And supposedly that kind of threw him into sobriety or whatever.
- 2:19:56Speaker 5: I don't know if he's sober or not. Did he?
- 2:19:58Speaker 5: I don't know.
- 2:19:59Speaker 3: I will hope he is. If anything would throw you
- 2:20:01Speaker 3: into sobriety, your children filming you at the lowest moment
- 2:20:05Speaker 3: possible would do it for you.
- 2:20:07Speaker 5: Yeah. I didn't want to be filmed, so I stopped early.
- 2:20:11Speaker 3: You got off at the right time. I did get filmed.
- 2:20:13Speaker 5: The last time. Yeah? Yeah, it was super lame. I
- 2:20:18Speaker 5: was at a, what do you call it, a Del
- 2:20:20Speaker 5: Taco restaurant. And I tapped the cab in front of
- 2:20:23Speaker 5: me accidentally when I was moving forward. And he got
- 2:20:26Speaker 5: out and created a thing. And somebody filmed it from
- 2:20:29Speaker 5: the back of the cab. Oh, wow.
- 2:20:31Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:20:32Speaker 5: And I looked stupid. You can't fucking drive. You don't
- 2:20:35Speaker 5: fucking drive.
- 2:20:36Speaker 3: You're like, oh, dear.
- 2:20:40Speaker 7: Shh.
- 2:20:41Speaker 5: Quiet.
- 2:20:42Speaker 3: Don't speak.
- 2:20:43Speaker 6: Oh, no.
- 2:20:43Speaker 5: Don't speak.
- 2:20:44Speaker 3: There's nothing worse than being sober and seeing something when
- 2:20:46Speaker 3: you're drunk.
- 2:20:47Speaker 5: Oh, there's nothing.
- 2:20:47Speaker 3: You're like, oh, no, I'm so gross.
- 2:20:48Speaker 5: Because your perception of it, why you were like, no, man,
- 2:20:51Speaker 5: this is an honorable moment. You're saying I did something
- 2:20:55Speaker 5: that I didn't do.
- 2:20:56Speaker 2: Right.
- 2:20:56Speaker 5: And we need to hash this out when the reality
- 2:21:01Speaker 5: is you're just kind of regurgitating bullshit. Yeah.
- 2:21:05Speaker 3: No. Also, you know how to affect people with your words.
- 2:21:12Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:21:12Speaker 3: You know how to express yourself in a dramatic way,
- 2:21:15Speaker 3: and you think you're going to fucking get through this
- 2:21:18Speaker 3: on top.
- 2:21:18Speaker 5: I'm an actor, motherfucker.
- 2:21:19Speaker 3: Yeah, motherfucker.
- 2:21:20Speaker 5: Watch this. I'm going Shakespeare on you.
- 2:21:25Speaker 3: You know what my favorite movie of yours is?
- 2:21:26Speaker 2: What?
- 2:21:27Speaker 3: No Country for Old Men.
- 2:21:28Speaker 2: Why?
- 2:21:29Speaker 3: Because it's so fucked up. Because it's so fucked up?
- 2:21:32Speaker 3: It's such a fucked up movie. Even the end, when
- 2:21:35Speaker 3: it ends, you're like, what happened? That's the end?
- 2:21:37Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:21:38Speaker 3: It's like that guy, what's his name, Javier?
- 2:21:40Speaker 5: Bardem.
- 2:21:42Speaker 3: God damn, that guy was a good psycho.
- 2:21:44Speaker 5: He was so good.
- 2:21:45Speaker 3: God damn. That movie was so, it was just so
- 2:21:49Speaker 3: unusual and intense.
- 2:21:51Speaker 5: And there was no feeling, and people ask this all
- 2:21:53Speaker 5: the time, there was no feeling that it was a
- 2:21:55Speaker 5: special movie.
- 2:21:56Speaker 3: Really?
- 2:21:57Speaker 5: Yeah. I told you I went back to Marfa, Texas
- 2:21:59Speaker 5: for the first time in 18 years with Stapleton. And
- 2:22:02Speaker 5: the guy running the bank is the first guy that
- 2:22:05Speaker 5: Javier kills in the movie. This is the guy running
- 2:22:08Speaker 5: the bank right now, Chip. And I talked to Chip,
- 2:22:11Speaker 5: I have a picture of me and Chip, and I
- 2:22:13Speaker 5: talked to Chip and I said, I said, fuck, you
- 2:22:15Speaker 5: were the first guy, you know, did you think that?
- 2:22:17Speaker 5: And he said, no, that was a friend of a
- 2:22:19Speaker 5: friend who said that they were auditioning people and the
- 2:22:22Speaker 5: reason I did it is because I figured nobody would
- 2:22:24Speaker 5: ever see it. It seemed like a small... No, that's
- 2:22:28Speaker 5: the proprietor. It's the first guy that Javier killed outside.
- 2:22:33Speaker 5: That was a good scene, though.
- 2:22:36Speaker 3: What is that dude like in person, Javier?
- 2:22:38Speaker 5: The best. The sweetest human being. One of my best friends. Crazy. Yeah.
- 2:22:45Speaker 3: That's inside of him. That he can.
- 2:22:47Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing. That's what makes him an artist. Yes. Yes.
- 2:22:50Speaker 5: Because he's one of these guys that literally, he was
- 2:22:53Speaker 5: so depressed during that thing.
- 2:22:54Speaker 3: Really?
- 2:22:55Speaker 5: Oh my God, dude.
- 2:22:56Speaker 3: Because he didn't like doing it?
- 2:22:57Speaker 5: No, he was like, look at my hair. What the fuck?
- 2:23:01Speaker 3: You know what I mean? That's depressed him.
- 2:23:05Speaker 5: Look at him.
- 2:23:06Speaker 3: Oh my God.
- 2:23:06Speaker 5: He played such a good psychopath. I mean, he's genius.
- 2:23:10Speaker 5: He wore SPF 100. He had an umbrella all the
- 2:23:14Speaker 5: time to keep the sun off him. You see how
- 2:23:17Speaker 5: pale he looks? But yeah, that's the guy. The guy
- 2:23:20Speaker 5: to the left, that's Chip. Can you stand there for
- 2:23:22Speaker 5: a second, please?
- 2:23:23Speaker 3: So he was really depressed because of his hair?
- 2:23:25Speaker 5: Yeah, and me and Woody would take him out. We
- 2:23:28Speaker 5: would take him out to the Cowgirl, what was it called?
- 2:23:30Speaker 5: Cowgirl Cafe. And we would, have drinks with him. We
- 2:23:35Speaker 5: would make him, because he would stay in his apartment
- 2:23:37Speaker 5: with the drapes drawn and all this kind of shit.
- 2:23:40Speaker 5: He just didn't want to go out. He said, I
- 2:23:41Speaker 5: don't like violence. I don't drive. I don't know why
- 2:23:43Speaker 5: they hired me. Why the fuck did they hire me?
- 2:23:46Speaker 3: Why am I here? How did he pull that out?
- 2:23:48Speaker 5: And I'm from Spain. This guy's not from Spain. I
- 2:23:52Speaker 5: remember when we worked, we sat in a trailer and
- 2:23:55Speaker 5: he said, in that proprietor scene, he has this great line.
- 2:23:59Speaker 5: He goes, call it. takes the coin and goes like
- 2:24:02Speaker 5: that and he says call it and the guy says
- 2:24:03Speaker 5: I don't want to call it and he says you
- 2:24:05Speaker 5: have to call it it's destiny calling for you and
- 2:24:08Speaker 5: we were in his trailer and Javier says how do
- 2:24:10Speaker 5: you say it and I said call it and Javier
- 2:24:11Speaker 5: kept saying call it and I said no dude call.
- 2:24:14Speaker 7: It can you hear it what's the most you ever
- 2:24:20Speaker 7: lost in a coin toss sir the most you ever
- 2:24:24Speaker 7: lost in a coin toss I don't know I couldn't say.
- 2:24:33Speaker 6: Call it.
- 2:24:35Speaker 5: Call it, yes.
- 2:24:36Speaker 6: For what? Just call it.
- 2:24:41Speaker 7: Well, we need to know what we're calling it for here.
- 2:24:45Speaker 6: You need to call it. I can't call it for you.
- 2:24:49Speaker 5: It wouldn't be fair. I didn't put nothing up. Yes,
- 2:24:52Speaker 5: you did.
- 2:24:54Speaker 6: You've been putting it up your whole life. You just
- 2:24:56Speaker 6: didn't know it. You know what date is on this coin?
- 2:25:00Speaker 5: No.
- 2:25:00Speaker 6: 1958. It's been traveling 22 years to get here. And
- 2:25:05Speaker 6: now it's here. And it's either heads or tails. And
- 2:25:10Speaker 6: you have to say, call it.
- 2:25:12Speaker 5: Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything.
- 2:25:17Speaker 5: How's that? You stand to win everything. Call it. All right. Heads, then.
- 2:25:33Speaker 5: Well done.
- 2:25:36Speaker 4: Don't put it in your pocket, sir. Don't put it
- 2:25:38Speaker 4: in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter. Where do you
- 2:25:42Speaker 4: want me to put it? Anywhere, not in your pocket. What,
- 2:25:46Speaker 4: it'll get mixed in with the others and become ingested kind?
- 2:25:53Speaker 5: Which it is.
- 2:25:53Speaker 6: Ha ha ha ha ha.
- 2:26:00Speaker 5: I mean, if you look at that from a different perspective,
- 2:26:03Speaker 5: you say that scene could have been the worst scene ever.
- 2:26:08Speaker 5: It's because of the simplicity of the scene.
- 2:26:10Speaker 3: What's the consequences?
- 2:26:14Speaker 5: It's the pause. Bloom in the air. It just hangs.
- 2:26:17Speaker 3: And you know that this guy has some sort of
- 2:26:20Speaker 3: weird morals.
- 2:26:21Speaker 5: It's so good, man.
- 2:26:22Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got some code that he lives by. And
- 2:26:25Speaker 3: he's about to impose this code on this guy. And
- 2:26:28Speaker 3: it's no problem putting that bolt through his brain.
- 2:26:31Speaker 5: No problem. And the guy knows it. And he doesn't
- 2:26:33Speaker 5: even know.
- 2:26:34Speaker 3: Why he knows it.
- 2:26:36Speaker 5: It's just something. He just knows it.
- 2:26:38Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 2:26:38Speaker 5: And you sit there and you just kind of.
- 2:26:40Speaker 3: It's a great fucking scene.
- 2:26:41Speaker 5: It's a great scene, man. Yeah.
- 2:26:42Speaker 3: How did you not know that movie was great while
- 2:26:44Speaker 3: you were doing it?
- 2:26:45Speaker 5: Because it was so, we were just.
- 2:26:47Speaker 3: The Coen brothers are fucking amazing.
- 2:26:49Speaker 5: They're amazing. But you were just having, they had done
- 2:26:51Speaker 5: two movies that were sort of bigger than what they
- 2:26:53Speaker 5: normally do. One was with Clooney and one was with
- 2:26:56Speaker 5: Tom Hanks and it didn't work. Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? No,
- 2:26:59Speaker 5: that fucking Oh Brother, Where Art Thou was amazing.
- 2:27:01Speaker 3: Yeah. It was amazing.
- 2:27:02Speaker 5: What was the other one?
- 2:27:03Speaker 3: It was Lady Killers and what.
- 2:27:06Speaker 5: Was the one with Clooney? I've never heard of that. Well,
- 2:27:09Speaker 5: there you go. Yeah. But, yeah, so I think that
- 2:27:13Speaker 5: they just went back to this simple, like, Burn After
- 2:27:18Speaker 5: Reading was after No Country, which was also really good.
- 2:27:21Speaker 5: Super good. But, yeah, they just kind of went back
- 2:27:24Speaker 5: to this very kind of feral... you know, base place
- 2:27:28Speaker 5: and just said, let's just tell this simple story and
- 2:27:31Speaker 5: let's let it happen. Let's maybe, I don't know. I
- 2:27:33Speaker 5: don't think they're like this.
- 2:27:34Speaker 3: How did you not know why you were doing it though?
- 2:27:36Speaker 3: It just didn't have that vibe. It didn't have that vibe.
- 2:27:39Speaker 5: It was so, simple.
- 2:27:40Speaker 3: Wild.
- 2:27:41Speaker 5: It was so simple and into the wild.
- 2:27:42Speaker 3: But then when you saw it though.
- 2:27:44Speaker 5: Into the wild. Dude, when I saw it, I saw
- 2:27:46Speaker 5: it with my kid, which was probably super irresponsible.
- 2:27:50Speaker 3: How old was your kid at the time?
- 2:27:51Speaker 5: He was 16. He was like, eh, that's on the cusp.
- 2:27:55Speaker 5: But I saw it with him in an editing room
- 2:27:58Speaker 5: on a big screen And we left and we got
- 2:28:01Speaker 5: in the car and we didn't talk for 15 minutes.
- 2:28:05Speaker 5: And that's never happened.
- 2:28:06Speaker 3: Wow.
- 2:28:07Speaker 5: Like literally not one word. Wow. And then I said,
- 2:28:10Speaker 5: what do you think? And he goes, fuck.
- 2:28:12Speaker 3: Which is a great response. That's that movie.
- 2:28:18Speaker 5: That's that movie.
- 2:28:18Speaker 3: That is that movie. That movie is fun.
- 2:28:20Speaker 5: You know, you want to tie it together too in
- 2:28:21Speaker 5: the end and like a typical Hollywood ending and Javier
- 2:28:24Speaker 5: and my character go head to head at the end and.
- 2:28:27Speaker 5: And that doesn't happen, which is how it was written
- 2:28:30Speaker 5: in the book, Cormac. And I got to know Cormac
- 2:28:32Speaker 5: really well. I was with Cormac the night before he died.
- 2:28:35Speaker 3: Oh, no kidding.
- 2:28:36Speaker 5: Wow.
- 2:28:38Speaker 3: That guy could fucking write.
- 2:28:39Speaker 5: Fuck, dude. Some of the greatest writing, American writing ever
- 2:28:45Speaker 5: in the history of this country.
- 2:28:48Speaker 3: There was something about his writing. It was like, Jesus Christ.
- 2:28:50Speaker 5: That's another one of those guys, artists, where you go.
- 2:28:53Speaker 5: I would ask him about his writing. I didn't want
- 2:28:55Speaker 5: to talk about it ever. And then finally he got
- 2:28:57Speaker 5: mad at me one day and he was like, I
- 2:28:59Speaker 5: don't fucking know, man. I just sit down at the
- 2:29:00Speaker 5: typewriter and it comes. Like, what do you want me
- 2:29:03Speaker 5: to tell you?
- 2:29:03Speaker 2: Wow.
- 2:29:04Speaker 5: I was like, all right, man. Fucking 87 years old. Relax.
- 2:29:10Speaker 5: But he could write. I mean, he had some, he
- 2:29:13Speaker 5: was tapped into, and talk about a guy who just like,
- 2:29:16Speaker 5: you were like the muse and do you have a
- 2:29:17Speaker 5: special place and do you have this thing that, no.
- 2:29:22Speaker 3: Just sits down and writes.
- 2:29:23Speaker 5: The bed that he was on, it was me, his ex-wife,
- 2:29:26Speaker 5: his son. And Cormac, that last night.
- 2:29:30Speaker 3: Wow.
- 2:29:31Speaker 5: Always at the edge of his bed was that typewriter
- 2:29:33Speaker 5: that he used for 25, 30 years to write all
- 2:29:36Speaker 5: those novels. And then he had one before that that
- 2:29:38Speaker 5: was exactly the same. But that typewriter was on an
- 2:29:42Speaker 5: old piece of wood at the foot of his bed.
- 2:29:44Speaker 3: Wow.
- 2:29:44Speaker 5: And even at the end, he would just grab that
- 2:29:46Speaker 5: thing and get it out. It was cool.
- 2:29:51Speaker 3: Yeah, there's rare humans like that that have that thing.
- 2:29:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:29:56Speaker 5: They just tap into it.
- 2:29:57Speaker 3: And they tap into it and they just keep going.
- 2:29:59Speaker 3: They get on that path and they just keep going.
- 2:30:01Speaker 3: It just keeps getting better. They just get better at it.
- 2:30:05Speaker 5: We've talked about a series of very special people. What's
- 2:30:12Speaker 5: the difference of what makes somebody that special, that iconic?
- 2:30:17Speaker 5: Are they crazy?
- 2:30:19Speaker 3: They're definitely different. They're different. Yeah, I mean, it's a
- 2:30:23Speaker 3: resistance to the norm. It's acceptance of reality. It's a
- 2:30:28Speaker 3: poetic understanding of our place in the universe. There's so
- 2:30:31Speaker 3: many different things that are all sort of coalescing into
- 2:30:34Speaker 3: this expression.
- 2:30:36Speaker 5: But they see through a different lens, though. They're just
- 2:30:38Speaker 5: made up of a different cellular makeup.
- 2:30:40Speaker 3: That's probably why he didn't want to talk about it.
- 2:30:42Speaker 3: He didn't want to fuck it up.
- 2:30:44Speaker 5: He didn't want to fuck it up. He didn't want
- 2:30:46Speaker 5: to mitigate it. He didn't want to lessen it.
- 2:30:48Speaker 3: He didn't want to.
- 2:30:49Speaker 5: What's the word? Make it, make it pedestrian.
- 2:30:52Speaker 3: Yes.
- 2:30:53Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Yes.
- 2:30:54Speaker 3: He didn't want to try. You know, sometimes magic is
- 2:30:57Speaker 3: just magic. You don't want to like figure out what's,
- 2:31:01Speaker 3: how it's happening.
- 2:31:02Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 2:31:02Speaker 3: Just know that you can do it and just keep
- 2:31:04Speaker 3: doing it.
- 2:31:05Speaker 6: Exactly.
- 2:31:05Speaker 3: You know, just be, be a craftsman, be a person
- 2:31:09Speaker 3: who's like dedicated to this thing.
- 2:31:11Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 2:31:12Speaker 5: You know?
- 2:31:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 2:31:14Speaker 3: He had to know it was really good. I mean,
- 2:31:17Speaker 3: enough people told him it was really good.
- 2:31:19Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you have even a guy like that
- 2:31:21Speaker 5: who wrote the first up until All the Pretty Horses,
- 2:31:24Speaker 5: none of his books sold.
- 2:31:26Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy.
- 2:31:27Speaker 5: Like 1,000 people bought it. 1,500 people bought it. And
- 2:31:31Speaker 5: then it was made into a movie. And then you
- 2:31:33Speaker 5: go back and you're like, all these banned books that
- 2:31:35Speaker 5: we know back in the day, 1984, George Orwell, Henry Miller,
- 2:31:41Speaker 5: all these fucking people. People are like, ew. And then
- 2:31:46Speaker 5: Van Gogh painting a painting and all those paintings being
- 2:31:49Speaker 5: outside getting rained on. And now they're selling for $ 100 million.
- 2:31:53Speaker 3: Yeah, all after he's dead.
- 2:31:55Speaker 5: All after he's dead.
- 2:31:56Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 2:31:57Speaker 5: He never knew. He sold one painting in his lifetime.
- 2:32:01Speaker 5: So he never got to, not even a little bit,
- 2:32:05Speaker 5: experience what, look at what you did. Right.
- 2:32:09Speaker 3: Wow, man. Well, maybe that's why they're so good.
- 2:32:13Speaker 5: Because they have to do it anyway.
- 2:32:14Speaker 3: Because it's like a purity of expression. Yeah, he's just
- 2:32:15Speaker 3: doing it.
- 2:32:15Speaker 5: Whether people paid attention or not is who they were.
- 2:32:19Speaker 5: And they gave themselves to it a thousand percent.
- 2:32:23Speaker 3: He's an artist.
- 2:32:23Speaker 5: An artist.
- 2:32:24Speaker 3: A real artist.
- 2:32:25Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, dude.
- 2:32:28Speaker 3: Thank you. It was a lot of fun. I really
- 2:32:30Speaker 3: appreciate it.
- 2:32:30Speaker 5: I really appreciate it.
- 2:32:31Speaker 3: I'm going to read your book immediately.
- 2:32:33Speaker 5: I would like you to.
- 2:32:34Speaker 3: I will definitely.
- 2:32:35Speaker 5: You're one guy I would really like for you to read.
- 2:32:37Speaker 3: I'll get on it.
- 2:32:37Speaker 5: Okay.
- 2:32:38Speaker 3: All right.
- 2:32:39Speaker 5: Thank you.
- 2:32:39Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Bye, everybody.
- 2:32:40Speaker 6: Bye.
- 2:32:40Speaker 2: Bye.