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Fluoride – The Poisoned Chalice With Joy Warren · UK Column Radio

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Hello, and welcome to another interview at UK column and my name is Debbie
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Evans. Now today's subject the mainstream media don't seem to want to talk about,
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but we do and it's a subject that I know is close to many
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of your hearts. So today we're going to talk about fluride. What is
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it, where does it come from, what does it mean to you?
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And I think after today's talk you're going to be in for a few surprises.
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But I mean my question to all of you is do you consent to
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being medicated without your knowledge or any kind of consent? Because that's the question
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we're going to be asking today the risks and benefits. And we've been looking
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at risks and benefits, haven't we with other pharmaceuticals, So let's look at
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the risks and the benefits with fluoride. And I'm going to be asking the
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question do you trust the government? Because the UK government have got plans for
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England for sure in the fairly near future. But I am delighted to be
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joined today by an expert in fluoride, someone that's dedicated over twenty years to
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researching fluoride, standing up against fluoride and reading pretty much every document there is
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on fluoride. Joy Warren is an environmental scientist and she's been campaigning, as
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I said, for over twenty years. But she's also the national coordinator for
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the Fluoride Free Alliance UK, which was founded in twenty seventeen. Now all
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of these details and links are going to be found in the article beneath this
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interview, So let's ask the expert, shall we. Joy, Thank you
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so much for agreeing to talk to us. This is a subject that is
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very important and I know our viewers will be wanting to hear a lot about
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Joy. Welcome to UK column. Thank you Debbie for inviting me. So
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Joy, let's start at the very beginning. What is fluoride? So very
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very broad question. Fluoride is a derivative of fluorine gas. We don't see
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fluorine gas in our atmosphere. It's basically created down below the earth and as
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soon as it appears, it combines with another element to make it less gaseous
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and it becomes a solid. In very simplitic terms, it becomes calcium fluoride.
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That's the natural stuff. It normally stays underground. Obviously it merges eventually
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in groundwater and in rivers in certain parts of the world. So calcium fluoride
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is not a very good thing to drink or eat. It does cause problems,
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especially skeletal fluorosis and dental ferrosis in the indigenous populations who have to drink
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the water because they have no choice. They have very deep wells, and
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the wells have got all the heavy metals and the fluoride calcium fluoride at the
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bottom and it's dredged up and it adjoins the drinking water. So natural fluoride
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is there. It's not a nice thing to have. It is not a
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nutrient. It is not essential for anybody's health whatsoever. But it is natural
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and it it occurs naturally in England as well, but at very small levels,
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and it doesn't cause what you would say is skeletal forrosis. It's probably
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always diagnosed as being arthritis. But we certainly do have dental thorosis in England,
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which is not very pretty at all. Children get mottled teeth and sometimes
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they're really very ugly grown. They are deformed, but that's where they have
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levels of over one milligram per liter in their diet right, So what happens
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Now is that a very clever man in America in the nineteen thirties wanted to
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get Britism waste, which was being made for aluminium smelters. He couldn't put
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it into the rivers and he wasn't allowed to let it escape into the atmosphere,
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so he didn't want us pay for it to be disposed of either to
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neutralize it. So some very clever scientists got together and said, well,
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this stuff is okay for children's teeth. Look at the text and teeth buck
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teeth, but at least they are not falling out, not getting dental decay.
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So why don't we do something with your waist and say that it's good
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for teeth, Which is what happened. The almiinium smelter guy had lots of
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influence political influence, and they managed to get some towns to agree to having
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it drip fed into the drinking water. Now, the waste is artificial hazardous
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industrial waste, which comes from the aluminum smelters, but these days it also
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comes from phosphate fertilizer manufactory as well. The artificial waste is not natural,
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it's a construct of industry, and it's called hydrofluorosilicic acid, and the chemical
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formula is H two si F six. That's two atoms of hydrogen, one
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atomous silica, and six atoms of fluoride. Now that's put into water at
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the factory about seventy eight percent water, twenty percent exofluorosilicic acid, and the
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rest are heavy metals and contaments which are in the water, which is added
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to the industrial waste that is not pure, not cleansed or anything like that.
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At the manufactory where they're making phosphate fertilizer. It's put into tankers and
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shipped across the Mediterranean, up the Bay of Biscay and the lands until we
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docks in London where it's distributed anund England to the fluoridating water companies. It's
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used because it's the least expensive thing they can find to add to our drinking
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water to ostensibly try and reduce dental decay in children. Do you know what,
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joy I'm listening to this now? Have I got this right? So
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this is there's two types of fluoride. So there's the natural and then there's
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this waste which comes from fertilizer. So hang on a minute. Waste waste.
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I'm scratching my head because why are we feeding waste, dangerous waste,
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toxic waste into the drinking water? Have I got that right? Or have
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I gone slightly off peaced a little bit and got it horribly wrong. You
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don't have it wrong, you really don't. It is toxic, hazardous waste,
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but once it's sold to a company or a country that wants it,
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it loses its label waste, so it comes across the Mediterranean as hazardous industrial
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valuable byproduct. Wow. Wow, So we're actually making money off waste by
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feeding it to our populations. I mean, I'm just staggered. So right,
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okay, So now we've got that identified, people are going to be
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saying, okay, so where in the world is doing this? I mean,
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surely this is ridiculous, But I know that we have got areas in
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the UK. Some water companies in the UK are using fluorides. So how
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wide is this? Joy? I mean, is the whole of the world
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fluoridated or is it just pockets of places? And why us? It's us
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because of the special relationship we have with the USA. The USA started this
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going back in the nineteen forties late forties, with some trials which they said
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were successful, but they didn't look at the downsites. Our dentists sweat across
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and had a look and they said it was wonderful. We should do it
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for our children. So they brought it back and the government was persuaded.
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So part of England, six percent of England, ten percent of England six
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million people are now fluoridated. The Irish got the bug as well, so
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the whole of Southern Ireland Republic of Ireland is fluoridated unless they have well water,
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in which KSA are safe. And then it's a spread across to Australia
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and New Zealand, all English speaking developed countries, all with a special relationship
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with the United States of America, and all influenced by them. There are
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some other countries throughout the world. I mean Hong Singapore. Singapore is fluoridated.
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Some parts of South America are fluoridated. It's difficult to remember who they
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all are. We know that Spain was floridating up until about two or three
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years ago, but between Titan and three years ago they all gradually stopped floridating
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their cities. We don't know why they'd started in the first place. That's
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lost in the mist of time. We think there are a couple of buckets
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still in Europe, or we haven't got confirmation of that yet. So it's
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basically England part of all of Southern Ireland, America big time, and Australia
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big time, and New Zealand big time. So joey, they're putting fluoride
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into the water and I'm trying to envisage a water company with a bucket or
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a container of f ride and throwing it into the water. I mean,
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do we have a dose? Do we have a safe dose? Do we
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have I mean, clearly this is not a safe product in any way,
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shape or form. But do they classify it as having a dosage? Are
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we all dosed through a drink of water? We are given a very strict
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measurement of one milligram of fluoride per litter of drinking water or treated water.
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The dosage is uncontrolled. In other words, a man who has a very
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heavy manual workload or is a sportsman can possibly drink four looses of water a
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day, whereas a baby, an infant over six months old, for example,
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would have the third of a litter. Anybody else can have as much
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or as little as they want. So we have a medicine here where there's
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no dosage on the tap. You just just basically drink as much as you
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like the rest of your life because somebody down the road has children who've got
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dental decay. I mean, this is the bad thing about it. It
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is compulsory medicine which we all have to have because it all comes out of
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the same water mains. And you can't turn your tap off because you need
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the water. If you're not drinking it, you need it for other things
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like doing the washing up, or washing machines, or even washing the car
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or wash in the garden. You can't turn it off. We just still
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have to pay for it. But it is a medicine, and I have
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confirmation that it is a medicine, and that's a whole new can of worms.
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It absolutely is. And I mean, presumably you know, I do
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have this picture of somebody throwing a bucket of fluor eyed into water container that's
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delivering it straight to our taps. But in actual fact we have to remember,
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and water is one of my subjects, especially wastewater, that a lot
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of this waste water is going through the sewers and out into the sea,
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and isn't going to be drunk. I mean, how much of this water
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is actually for drinking water? I think it's quite a low percent, isn't
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it. Joy it's a very low percentage, very low percentage. Indeed,
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of one hundred percent of water which is fluoridated we reckon, about two percent
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of it is drunk in households. So yeah, and everything eventually obviously be
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coming out of our bodies in our urine, so ninety nine percent possibly it
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goes down into the sewers, and half of what goes into the sewage enters
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our rivers in the sewage treated effluent, and the rest goes into sewage sludge,
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some of which is spread on our fields. So it's it's it's now
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in our environment. We don't believe that it's helpful to the water environment at
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all. Fish cannot cope with fluoride, but they can in the sea.
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It's a different environment, and the fish in the sea have adapted to it.
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But riverfish don't like it. And we have to look at salmon going
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upstream and they actually do not like going through the water. By the outfall
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of an aluminium smelter they have to have fish passages to bypass that particular lot
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of rubbish coming out of these smelters. We are very concerned. We're trying
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to get the Environment Agency to listen and to do an environment risk assessment,
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but they don't have the remit to measure it. They can actually monitor it
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for its presence, but not to actually work out how much there is in
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the sewer different what we could tell them is zero point five milligrams per litera.
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But see the problem is then nobody is actually doing the research for riverfish,
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animalcules, anything living on the bottom of the river. It's not being
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investigated. I think possibly just apologize for the EA. They are very strapped
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for cash. They do not have enough stuff to do everything we would like
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them to do. Wow, I mean, you know this is I can
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see now why the mainstream media won't take this particular subject up, because clearly
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it's one that we should all be talking about. But let's look at the
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UK government legislation that's coming up, because I know that you're very concerned that
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even though we've still got six million people in this country, which I think
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is that equate to ten percent of the population have actually got access to fluoridated
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water, So now the governments are going to be rolling it out to the
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rest of England. Is that right? Have we got objections or consultations with
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regards to this joy We are waiting for the public consultation to be announced for
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the northeast of England. It is taking time and my guess is that I
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hope the Department of Health is waiting for news of the American court case in
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San Francisco where fluoride and the Environmental Protection Agency has been taken to court for
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allowing fluoride in the environment, especially in babies' bodies and also in the unborn
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child. We have determined that it is a presumed developmental neurotoxin and the judge
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has been in charge of this case since twenty sixteen. The last day of
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the hearing was about a week and a half ago, and we're just hoping
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now for his verdict soon. We hope he's going to come on our side
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to say that it should not be allowed in drinking water. We don't know
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when it's going to happen, so if he finds in our favor, the
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chances are the Department of Health is going to have to sort of do a
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double think and start thinking, well, we can't say it's safe and defective
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anymore. We certainly can't say it's safe. It is causing a reduction in
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IQ in children, so we're going to have to sort of back pedal.
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And they're back pedal as long as they are in governments, and then possibly
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the labor government will do exactly the same as a conservative government, start thinking,
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oh, it's good stuff, it saves children's teeth. Then ignore the
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fact that it's a developmental neurotoxin. We can't say for sure. It's just
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just basically hope at the moment that we will not have a public consultation in
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the Northeast, but if we do, we are ready for them. We've
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got a website set up, We've got all the material at our disposal to
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give to the residents to help them to take part in the public consultation.
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It's a long haul at the moment. So many questions. I mean,
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I have literally if our audience because see me now, I'm surrounded by pieces
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of paper because I've got so many questions, and I know that people watching
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will be immediately saying, right, is my area fluoridated? How do I
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get to find out. And also I know that you're particularly concerned Joy about
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some pilot schemes that are going on. So for people watching, if you
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might well be in one of those pilot schemes, listen closely now to what
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Joy has to say about what is going on in areas of England that you
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may not have already been aware about. All right, so we're looking at
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natural fluoride and artificial fluoride. Naturally fluoridated areas are mainly on the east coast
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of England, coming down from Hartlepool, where it's magnesium fluoride at one point
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nine milligrams per liter of fluoride, which is very high, so Hartlepool water
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dilutes it down to about one point three tops. Sometimes it's one point two,
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sometimes it's zero point nine milligrams of fluoride polyta. Then yet you come
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down the east coast, the incidence of fluoride reduces. There's quite a lot
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in the east side of Essex itself, and then as you put across across
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the country to the Bristol Channel, the levels reduce very much so so by
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the time you get to Bristol it's almost absent absent in need there are two
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pockets of natural fluoride called utoxeta in Staffordshire I think Staffordshire, and also a
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little bit in the east of Newbery. But everything else is down to about
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point one milligrams of fluoride and in many cases nothing at all. It all
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depends on the rock strata underlying the cities and villages. When we have a
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look at the map of floridated England is completely different. There are dirty,
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great big blotches of blue all over the place. Parts of the Northeast are
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already fluoridated. That's Newcastle, Gateshead and North Tyneside, a little bit of
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Northumbrian and a little bit of County Durham. Then we move down the country
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until we get to Bedfordshire, where there's a small amount. Then you move
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to the west and you find the whole of the West Midlands is fluoridated.
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Got North and Cheshire, nan twitch Crew are fluoridated. In between there there's
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pockets of floridation in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and a lot in Lincolnshire. They come
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west to West Cumbria and the whole of West Cumbria south of Maryport is fluoridated
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down to and including Cellar Field. Then there's Southern Ireland, which is thoroughly
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fluoridated. The pilot scheme in the Isle of Man hasn't taken off yet and
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there is a petition being signed only by residents against the proposal to floridate the
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island. The main pilot scheme is Northeast and those counties which are threatened or
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areas which are threatened are South Tyneside, Sunderland, Darlington, Stockton on Tees,
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Middlesbrough, Cleveland, Red Car all of County Durham apart from Concept which
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is already fluoridated, and I mentioned Northumberland. Well there's two large pockets already
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fluoridated, but there's a bit in the middle separating them which is threat with
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fluoridation. Nottinghamshire, that's an interesting case. We have a guy there,
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Chairman of the Health and Well Being Board, who is very, very keen
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on fluoridation. But he's a medical doctor and he should know better. I
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mean, he should have actually looked into this and look at the medical ethics
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that you cannot give people medicine without their consent. But he's very keen,
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and he's actually asked the Secretary of State if Nottinghamshire could go out to public
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consultation soon that it won't happen before the Northeast consultation because it would waste of
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money, because if the Northeast isn't saying no, we don't want it,
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then there'll be no justification for going out to Nottinghamshire at all. Any other
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places which are trying to have it in their water. They appear every now
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and then and I distant a letter to the health and well being bored and
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tell them the true facts of the case, and it just als seems to
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fizzle out. Our problem is that the counselors in the local authorities are listening
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to their public health consultants in oral health who have been taught in their colleges
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of public health that fluoridation is a really good thing to prevent dental decay.
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Now you've got an employee and they're an expert, you listen to them.
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They get lest, we don't really want to know about that. Are you
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going to say, Okay, that's what you recommend, and you're saying it'll
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be less expensive in the long term. Oh and by the way, the
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government's paying for it. You are not paying for it local authority. The
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government will do everything for you. Oh, that'd be great, and we
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don't have to worry anymore. Correct, you don't have to go and tend
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people into schools to teach the children how to clean their teeth because the fluoridation
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will be absolutely fantastic. It'll stop dental decay deadnist tracks. Actually that's not
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really true. They are actually doing these tooth brushing exam pro programs in primary
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schools at the moment, and we hope they will continue because it's the only
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way that you can stop dental decay is to make toothbrushing tooth hygiene a sustainable
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practice. So the pockets of pilot schemes are now moving into schools to teach
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children how to clean their teeth, which is good. However, they also
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doing fluoride varnishes, which is not so good. Anoother can of worms.
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I was going to ask you about the fluor eyed varnish. Actually, joy,
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because you know we're looking. I mean, everybody's going to be saying,
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oh my goodness. You know I could be in a fluoridated area,
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and I promise you we're going to come on towards the end of the interview
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today will come on to measures that you can take, and we'll talk about
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filters and distillers, but I just want to get back to the dental decay
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because there is actually there's no evidence whatsoever that fluoride prevents dental decay at all.
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And for those of you that want to have a look, I've been
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watching a lot of Joy's interviews and I've been literally hitting the ground running with
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fluoride. But there are a couple of studies that people might want to look
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into. Once called the Lotus study, and one's called the Catfish study,
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which shows that there is no benefits to children of fluoride taking fluoride, and
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the thought that there are going to be dental vans going around to primary schools
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and painting fluoride onto children's teeth, I have to say to parents, number
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one, are you aware that this could happen in your school to your child?
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Number two? Do you consent? And number three are you and your
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fellow parents in the class? Are they aware of the dangers of fluoride?
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And I think a lot of people aren't because it's not a subject that people
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ask about. But I think we must talk a little bit more about the
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dangers the risks of fluoride specifically in children. Joy, could you just elaborate
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a little bit for pregnant women and children particularly at the moment. Yes,
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okay, let's look at the fluoride varnish to begin with. It's really very
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strange. It's a very concentrated varnish containing a lot of milligrams of fluoride.
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It's painted on the teeth. It has to dry. Child cannot swallow while
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it's drying. It cannot rinse its mouth out while it's drying. So it's
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really very difficult. You have to be very careful child does not swallow,
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because otherwise it might erode the stomach lining over time. In the six months
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following the painting on the teeth, the fluoride is going to erode. Now
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it's not going to be spat out, it's going to be swallowed. I
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don't know how bioavailable the fluoride is in the flakes of varnish as it roads
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and is swallowed and goes into the stomach. But I think here you have
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to have the precautionary principle. You don't want your little child to have a
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dicky tummy because the varnish has not adhered to the teeth and it can't have
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gone anywhere else. So six months time they will give you another application of
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the varnish. And I'm not convinced that it's the best thing for a child
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to have on his teeth. That's my main consideration. They also use Fisher
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seialments, which I try and get again. Fisher seilants, which I do
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work as say, They basically seal the cracks and the teeth and stop decay
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starting in those cracks. I'm very doubtful about even fluoridated toothpaste because you see
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the some adverts. You put a squeeze a long strip of toothpaste onto a
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brush for a child that should only be a tiny dot and a small piece
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sized amount. Well, the chances are the child's going to swallow some of
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that, and the concentration of fluoride in the toothpaste is quite high and mean
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see one thousand ppm one four hundred and sixty ppm fluoride in the tube.
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A small amount is going to be equivalent to the fluoride and a glass of
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water. But if they do swallow their toothpaste, they might cause problems in
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their stomach. And what they're using is sodium monop fluorophosphate, which is a
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derivative of the hexafluorosilicic acid which comes out of the phosphate fertilizer manufactories. Obviously
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it's been refined, it's been purified, but it's still fluoride and fluorides a
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general protoplasmic poison. Let's go to children. We have got at the moment
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a lot of research studies which that swallowed fluoride or absorbed fluoride does damage the
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IQ of the unborn child and the infant. Is that the court case is
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about. In America, the National Toxicology Program, which is a government sponsored
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agency, has examined fifty five studies looking at fluoride and reduced intelligence and found
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that fifty two of them conclusively showed a really strong connection between fluoride in the
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fetal body and in the infant body and a reduction in intelligence. And most
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of the intelligence reduces in the thesis because thesis gets most of the fluoride that's
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in the mother's bloodstream. Now mother doesn't know about this. There's a little
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bit of a hint in the American Dental Association website some time ago which said
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be careful about giving your infant fluoridated water in the formula make in their formula
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feed. Maybe just find my bit of paper here on what's what we should
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say. The expecting mother is exposed to fluoride in fluoridated water, and some
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in parts of the Americas there's more than one milligram of fluoride in each litter
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of water. I mean, natural fluoride in America can be up to four
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five milligrams, and mother perhaps isn't rich enough to buy a filter to take
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it out. If you if you have food made with fluoride, if fluoridated
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water is added to food in a factory and you eat that food, then
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you're going to be absorbing the fluoride in the water. There's fluoride in dental
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gel treatments, which the mother might be exposed to when she has to go
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to the dentist. Because, as you know, when you're pregnant, the
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baby and demands all the minerals you have in your body, so that teeth
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become a little bit weaker, So you have to have treatments and you have
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to come see the dentist quite regularly. The one thing that shocks people more
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than anything else is the fact that tea leaves. That's the Indian tea,
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black tea, the copp that shears has got fluoride in it, and the
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one with the highest amount is the brown labels. All the actual cheaper ones
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with the mates of older tea leaves about three to four milligrams of fluoride.
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Polya of tea four mugs of tea, you are drinking four milligrams of fluoride,
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and if you're making it with fluoridated tap water, you're getting five milligrams
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per liter, and that's very very high. And of course all that goes
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into your bloodstream and into the fetal body. There's certain things like if if
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you're not drinking alcohol, you shouldn't, you might be drinking canned drinks.
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Well, I've done an analysis of pepsi max, which is by PepsiCo,
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but it's sent to Britfig in Rugby. It's made with the concentrate, is
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made with fluoridated Rugby tapwater. So you've got about a milligram per liter of
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pepsi max as well as having aspartame in it as well, which is basically,
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as far as I'm concerned, the devil's own brew. And then the
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fluoride in pharmaceutical drugs. Well, imagine some pregnant ladies do take pharmaceutical drugs,
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and some of them do have fluoride in which is known as a potentiator,
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which helps the active substance get into the cells. All in all,
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fluoridated pregnant mum is being overdosed, and that means the fetal body is being
31:45
overdosed. Right. There is no blood brain barrier in the fetus, and
31:52
any fluoride will get into the developing brain and start to damage the the IQ
32:00
if you like. There are several mechanisms and they are quite complicated, but
32:04
just assume that fluoride is a general protoplasmic destroyer or disruptor, and it'll start
32:12
by stopping the impulses going across the synapses in the neurons. And if you
32:21
do that, then that causes permanent brain damage and that reduces the IQ of
32:25
the fetus. If that child, when born, gets a formula made up
32:34
with fluoridated tap water, the reduction intelligence increases. And we find that perhaps
32:42
Charles's intelligence were reduced by about four to five IQ points in this country because
32:47
our level of fluoride is higher than it is in America. So we have
32:52
to add a little bit more on as far as the reduction is concerned.
32:57
I mean, this is going to cause a real problem for the child,
32:59
and it's like to life. I'm sitting here, you know, with my
33:01
mouth wide open because Joey, you are such a mine of information. I'm
33:07
sure a lot of people are going to be going, oh, my goodness,
33:10
fluoride in food? So what are you checking? If we all go
33:15
into the supermarkets and I think more of us than ever are trying to use
33:21
fresh farm produce and local shops as much as possible. But for those that
33:25
are still going into supermarkets and having to look on the back of packets,
33:30
etc. What should they be looking for and avoiding when it comes to fluoride?
33:35
I mean, what is it named as on the back of a packet?
33:38
It isn't isn't there at all? You've got first in reidion and some
33:45
foods. Is aqua or water? Well, it's not water, it's medicinal
33:51
water and it's not desclared as such. The only time you will find fluoride
33:54
on the back of a packet is if you look at natural mineral water and
33:59
spring water, where it has to be declared along with all the other minerals
34:06
in that water. There's no way you can find out unless you come onto
34:09
websites like mine. So the tea there's no fluoride in the back of the
34:14
packet because it's naturally in the leaves. It's there because tea draws up fluoride
34:21
water from the bedrock. They might possibly use fluoride water to irrigate the tea
34:28
bushes. I don't know that for sure, but definitely is in the soil,
34:32
especially at the foothills of the Himalias where the bedrock is fluoride rock.
34:38
Right. So the only way you know is something like me or a guy
34:42
called Casey Krol in America or Decline War in Ireland to do the analysis of
34:47
what there is in these tea leaves. And it's not a difficult thing to
34:52
do. We just need a bit of money to buy the fluoride gauge and
34:57
the know how. It's not a case of just sticking a piece of listmus
35:00
paper in the liquid and finding out what it is, because that is not
35:04
exact enough. We measure fluoride to two decimal points, but the water company
35:09
is going to do it to four decimal points, so they've got even more
35:12
sophisticated of apparatus. Now, the only way you'll find out about fluoride and
35:17
a supermarket is if you go along and look at the water labels in the
35:21
back of the mineral waters. They don't even say anything about table water,
35:24
which is tapwater in the main. I don't say that either. It's just
35:29
wow because you think, well, gosh, you've got to look on the
35:30
back of packets. But if it's not there, then you don't know what
35:32
you're looking for. Then I guess you have to presume presume it is.
35:37
I mean, there's going to be a lot of people, a lot of
35:39
tea pots watching this, going, oh my goodness, what am I going
35:44
to drink? Now? I can't drink Did you say Indian tea or specific
35:47
tea? What tea do you drink? Joy dare I ask? If I
35:52
wanted to, I would go for a red Bush, which is a South
35:54
African tea. It doesn't taste anything like the cup of cheers, but it
35:59
definitely doesn't not have more than point not five fluoride in it, I remember
36:05
rightly and obviously. Yeah. Coffee, organic coffee, because I don't even
36:09
trust ordinary coffee grounds because they may be irritated with the fluoridated irrigation water.
36:19
It's really difficult. You think I was paranoid. No, I'm not paranoid.
36:22
I'm just careful and make sure I do not drink or eat anything that
36:27
I suspect. Sometimes I get caught unawares. In the same way, I
36:30
do not drink or eat out of aluminium because I don't like the idea of
36:37
having the fluoride possible in my body and the aluminium in my body combining and
36:40
affecting my brain. So you have to be careful and after a while it
36:47
becomes a way of life. In the same way we know we would never
36:52
knowingly pick up something and eat it if it got arsenic in it. I
36:55
would be stupid to do so. It's just any food manufactured in a fluoridated
37:02
area, or manufactured in Hartlepool, for example, you don't want to eat
37:08
or drink because it will have fluoridated water to make up the recipe. Like
37:15
bread made in the West Midlands. No, it's got fluoride in it's bound
37:20
to have anything, you know, anything manufactured in West Midlands. I would
37:24
not touch it's medicines as well, though, that's shocked me. And I
37:30
mean, I'm just going to go through a list of them that I've I've
37:31
found out that you know, any one of these medicines could have Is it
37:37
fluoxetine? HCl? Am I right in saying that that's the active ingredient that
37:43
you should look for, because we always ask, we always say to our
37:45
audience that for pharmaceuticals, for example, there's always two names, as a
37:51
brand name and a trade name. But actually, if you want to know
37:54
what the active ingredient is, you have to look at the patient information leaflet.
38:00
And of course with the vaccines, we didn't have that with Nobody was
38:04
given a patient information leaflet prior to having a vaccine. But when you get
38:08
tablets and your prescription, you should have a patient information leaflet. So am
38:15
I right in saying that joy is it fluoxetine? HCl? Is that right?
38:20
Any description drug which has its scientific name the letters flu, it's going
38:27
to contain fluoride, full stop everyone. And there's so many of them.
38:31
I was going to come on actually and say that I've got a little list.
38:36
So any of these drugs, in any of these generic variations could have
38:43
fluorid, So you need to check anesthetics, antacids, antidepressants, chemotherapy,
38:50
cholesterol lowering drugs, anti inflammatory, anti malarial, anti anxiety, antibiotics,
38:58
arthritis, all of these drugs that somebody may be receiving for a medical condition.
39:06
What I would say first is please check the patient information leaflet and see
39:12
what the active ingredients are. Because the side effects can be headaches, teeth
39:16
staining, which is I think the dental fluorosis that you were talking about joy
39:22
where you get motteling of the teeth and the teeth stain. Is that right,
39:25
No, it's a different type of staining. You can only get dental
39:30
thorrosis if you're a child or in the womb when the fluoride effects the tooth
39:37
buds before they erupt, erode before they erupt, and the staining caused by
39:45
the medicines does not actually get through the dentine into the enamel, so it
39:50
doesn't cause dental thorrosis. It'll just be some sort of other staining from other
39:55
bodily processes. In the mouth, the side effects go on nausea, vomiting,
40:01
swelling of the lips or tongues, or throat difficulty, breathing, hives.
40:07
I mean let's just get onto a few of the serious adverse reactions and
40:12
the medical conditions that you're concerned about. And I think you've already mentioned skeletal
40:17
flurosis. Perhaps we can talk about that a little bit. And also I
40:22
know that you have concerns with hypo thyroidism, which is an underactive thyroid gland,
40:28
and the fluoride links with that. Could you explain a little bit more
40:32
on that, joy please, Right, So, when you get skeletal thorrosis,
40:37
and it's very obvious in places like India where the children are born deformed
40:44
and as the bones grow, the fluoride causes the bones to grow even more
40:49
in the wrong places, and in some cases it's horrendousnacy. You see the
40:52
calf bones growing over the foot because it can't stop because they've got high levels
40:59
of fluoride. It's recognized by the Indian government, and the Indian government is
41:05
trying to reduce the amount of fluoride in Indian tapwater. That we are stupid
41:10
in this country and our governments trying to increase it. So it doesn't make
41:15
too much sense, or does it. It's obviously like having alternative universes.
41:20
The children who are deformed, can't walk properly. Some of them only move
41:23
around on their knees, which are also deformed. Their arms and elbows and
41:29
hands are deformed, and their backs are deformed gradually over time. They just
41:34
basically die a young death because they just can't function properly, and of course
41:39
they have to be looked. They can't run around and play or anything like
41:44
that, use crutches, and it's horrendous to see. If you just look
41:51
it up scaletal Thross India photos, put those keywords into your search engine and
41:57
you'll see what I mean. Yeah, people die young. Some that actually
42:00
do survive until old age, but their lives are miserable, absolutely miserable.
42:06
That's an extreme form of arthritis. But we don't get that in this country.
42:10
We get arthritis stage one, stage two, stage three, but it's
42:15
never known as skeletal flurosis. But my bet is that stage one arthritis is
42:21
early stages of skeletal thorrosis in some cases, not in every case, and
42:28
it is the debilitating, of course it is. And there's nothing you can
42:31
do much about it because it takes time to get that fluoride removed from the
42:36
bones, and that's a whole art form scientific art form of its own,
42:40
because you have to then start to put in minerals which will find the fluoride
42:45
and escort it out of the body. Right, should we talk about hyperthyroidism
42:51
now, because it's a really very damaging illness contracted by main in the main
42:58
ladies who've just gone to Themause we had a really interesting piece of research done
43:04
by the University of Kent in twenty fourteen where the researchers counted all the diagnoses
43:10
of hypothyroidism through every surgery in England and mapped it against the map of fluoridated
43:16
non fluoridated England and came to the conclusion that in West Midlands there was almost
43:22
double the amount of diagnoses of hypothyroidism compared to non fluoridated Greater Manchester and throughout
43:30
England thirty percent more hypothroidism in floridated areas of England compared to non fluoridated England.
43:39
Now this is a correlation, it's not causation. And we really would
43:44
have hoped that the government would have picked up this research and run with it.
43:47
That they have not done. So they kicked back and have not done
43:51
the research and to this day in their four yearly monitoring reports on fluoride and
43:58
health, they have dodged the issue of looking at hypothyroidism, just as to
44:04
shure, they do not really want to know the truth. So we're stuck
44:07
with this correlation study which is so convincing, but only as far as correlations
44:15
concerned. But all I can say to you is this, I have been
44:19
to many fairs in the past where I've talked to people in the West Midlands
44:23
about hyperthyroidism, and so many of them are either got hyperthyroidism or no people,
44:30
or are relatives of people who have hypertherroidism. And my clinging question of
44:37
some of these people is do they have showers or do they have baths?
44:40
And sometimes they say showers, but most of the time they said, Oh,
44:45
my relative loves her bath, really loves her heart bath. And I
44:49
think, well, surely is it not common sense to realize that our skin
44:53
is leaky absorbent other not taking in all the fluoride that's in the bar water
45:00
when it contacts the skin. Again, another study that's not being done,
45:05
and it should be. So. Yeah, hyperthyroidism is on the increase in
45:09
floridated areas. Gosh, there's another gosh. I think there's a lot of
45:14
wows and gosh in this interview. To be honest, Joy, and for
45:16
those people that are watching, you know, we must say that an underactive
45:22
thyroid can be It can be many many reasons that you have an underactive thyroid.
45:28
But some of the symptoms of an underactive thyroid are tiredness and weight gain,
45:32
depression, dry skin, dry hair, muscle aches and more common in
45:39
women actually and for new mums, your baby, when your baby is about
45:45
five days old normally gets a heel prick test or sometimes in hospital when you've
45:52
had your baby gets a heel to prick test to test for a variety of
45:58
disorders, but one in particular, and that is underactive thyroid. So just
46:02
to connect, just to connect that up, so hypothyroidism. Do you live
46:07
in a fluoridated area? I think would be my question to everybody, everybody
46:14
that's living in a fluoridated area. I mean, the crazy thing is I
46:22
just and I know that our producer Stephanie wants me to ask you this question,
46:25
Joy, and it's such a relevant question because why on earth do the
46:31
dental industry think that fluoride is good in the first place, considering we've got
46:38
this absolute mountain of evidence with no benefits for children. In fact, children
46:47
swallowing fluoride varnish doesn't seem like a great alternative to dental decay to me.
46:53
So what on earth with the dental industry thinking of it was a really good
46:59
way of getting rid of the industrial waste. They thought there was a correlation
47:02
between fluorides swallowed and a reduction in dental decay. Back in the nineteen fifties.
47:09
It was easier to prove that because there was no fluoride anywhere else in
47:14
a chance's environment, and they thought it was working. But what they didn't
47:17
tell people was that the control group, which was not fluoridated, had an
47:22
equal reduction in dental decay. So it was all an artificial construct to try
47:29
and get rid of the fluoride in the waste. And also was a huge
47:35
amount of involvement with the Manhattan Project because they use lots of fluoride for making
47:40
the bomb. Then we have the phosphate fertilizer manufacturing which produces the same sort
47:49
of waste, including the fluoride, so they had to all get rid of
47:52
it. It was all highly industrial, economic, political wheels within wheels and
48:00
money talked these days, it's not possible to really prove that fluoride when it's
48:06
swallowed protects the teeth. And in fact we've got the catfish study from West
48:10
Cumbria where they found that babies who have been fluoridated since conception had about four
48:20
percent less cental decay in the fluoridated area. But when the children were fluoridated
48:25
from the age of five, when they looked at them at the age of
48:28
ten, they had a reduction of two percent. When they looked at adults
48:32
throughout England they found that the reduction was about three percent in fluoridated areas compared
48:39
to non fluoridated areas. And the absolutely no proof whatsoever that swallowed fluoride reduces
48:47
oral health inequalities across social groups. None the scanty studies which have no validity
48:55
in science at all, so we have to discount those no proof at all.
49:00
Alan Johnson, the x Sex Estate for Health about ten years ago,
49:06
used to like to say that fluoride gives poor kids rich kids teeth. Well,
49:10
I'm sorry, Alan Johnson, it doesn't work like that and you're completely
49:15
wrong, and this is my message to you. If you're listening. And
49:19
by the way, Alan Johnson is a vice president of the British Fluoridation Society
49:22
these days, so we know which we're rich bread inside of the butter his
49:27
bread. Well, we always like to tell our audience to do things,
49:31
So Alan Johnson, maybe somebody would like to share this interview with Alan Johnson,
49:37
Maybe somebody would like to email, or maybe quite a few of you
49:40
would like to. I mean, Joey, we've covered a huge amount today
49:46
and I know that as our fluoride expert. Now there's going to be loads
49:52
of questions coming in from our audience and I'm sure if you're agreeable, we
49:58
would love to talk again because we've just literally scraped the top of the iceberg.
50:04
But before I throw to you for your last word, people are going
50:09
to be saying, well, what can we do? What can we do?
50:13
Do we write to our MPs, do we get water distillers, do
50:19
we check our medication all of our medication? Do we change our medication?
50:23
Where do we go to find you? Do you want to just finish up
50:29
on that before I throw to the last word? For us, are positive
50:32
of what people can do so that they're not drinking fluoridated water or their area
50:38
is maybe they can stop their area from being fluoridated in the future. That's
50:45
the highly possible. The whole reson depth of my existence is to stop it
50:49
being rolled out throughout England. First of all, people have to find out
50:52
if they're definitely fluoridated or not. If they've got natural fluorider's not much they
50:57
can do about it unless they talk to the water company and ask the water
51:00
company to bring in supplies from outside the fluoride area to dilute the fluoride down
51:07
to a safe level of say zero point one. Zero point two is probably
51:12
safe, but anything more than that they have to be careful. Next,
51:15
if they are getting fluoride, either artificially or naturally, they need to consider
51:22
do they try and stop it happening by talking to their mp yes? Do
51:27
they start being active yes. Do they try and get a group yes.
51:31
Do they talk to everybody they can to get support, who have people who
51:37
have influenced In other words, then then after that they can start try and
51:42
avoid it. Because I think it's really bad and used to avoid without doing
51:45
anything about getting it out of the water in the first place. That's my
51:50
opinion. Actually bio means you can use filters. You have to be careful.
51:54
Some of the filters don't remove fluoride, some of them reduce it but
51:58
don't remove it, and some of them are downright fraudulent. But the three
52:04
methods I would recommend our reverse osmosis distillation and one only water filter JUG in
52:13
England, and I'm not allowed to advertise, I guess, but it takes
52:17
all the fluoride out and obviously as the filter gets old then obviously it starts
52:23
letting it in. But it's not a hugely expensive. But people on a
52:28
restricted income can't do any of that. They are stuck with either buying bottled
52:32
water or drinking the tap water. And that is where we are not increasing
52:38
equality. We're not leveling up. We're making sure that disadvantage people on low
52:45
incomes are still going to suffer from having fluoride in their environment because they can't
52:50
stop it. It can't afford the filters. So this is my main aim
52:55
here. We've got to be able to get it out of the drinking water
52:59
and there's no reason for it to be in there apart from political and commercial
53:04
and industrial pressures. And we know that the MPs in Parliament are lobbied in
53:10
the House of Parliament. We know what happens, but we don't do that
53:15
sort of thing. We just we just right to everybody we can without actually
53:20
going down to London. Joey, I have to say your work is phenomenal.
53:27
I mean, you know pretty much everything on fluoride, and the consultation
53:34
work that you've done, the ten plates that you've done, is just absolutely
53:37
extraordinary. And I think for everybody watching, are you happy with the fact
53:45
that you're going to be medicated without your consent? Because that's what we're looking
53:50
at for people that are living in fluoridated areas. You are receiving a medication
53:57
without your consent, with being told the side effects, the long term effects.
54:05
I mean, it has to be stopped. It really has to be
54:07
stopped. And I really again can't thank you enough. Joy, And I
54:12
know that you've got a very active telegram channel, you've got your website,
54:15
and all of those details will be in the article beneath this, But for
54:21
now, until the next time, I just want to thank you again and
54:24
throw to you for your last words. Joy Warren on fluoride. Thank you,
54:32
Thank you very much. Debbie. Yeah, I've got three asks here
54:37
or three points to make we know that fluoridated water is a compulsory medicine.
54:42
It's been shown in the British Standard which controls the ingredients in the fluoridating acid.
54:51
As it's a medicine. It turns drinking water into medicinal water, and
54:55
medicinal water is not covered by the provisions and the protections of the Drinking Water
55:02
Directive, which has been retained in the UK post Brexit. Since it's medicinal
55:09
water, we don't get drinking water anymore. In the West Midlands where I
55:15
live, we get medicinal water. And I've been paying innocently since I first
55:21
became a householder, when since since became added to the drinking water in nineteen
55:25
seventy nine. I think I was paying for it innotantly thinking it was drinking
55:30
water. And when I decided or discovered that it wasn't drinking water, that
55:35
it was medicinal water, I felt I could stop playing for it, because
55:40
you can't make somebody pay for something they don't really want to buy. Trouble
55:45
is, of course, it comes through the tap. You've got to open
55:46
the tap. However, the three years I've managed to not pay for my
55:51
medicinal water. I pay for sewerage because I think I have to get the
55:54
sewerage removed from the house. And obviously that's all the drinking water is fit
56:01
for, is flushing down the toilet, so we know that we can say
56:06
it's definitely not drinking water. The other thing is that the dose is uncontrolled.
56:14
Everybody gets as much as they want to drink, and some children who
56:20
are tiny, of course gets more than they should, and grown ups who
56:24
have a heavy manual job yet more than they should as well. So it's
56:30
really stupid not to have a controlled dose for something which is a medicine,
56:32
but you would not have that normally in pharmaceutical practice. And finally, the
56:40
other thing I needed to discuss really is the fact that we have been told
56:45
that fluoride reduces extractions of teeth in the hospital under general anesthetic, which is
56:52
for children, because dentists don't do it in the chair anymore. And we've
56:55
now crunched the numbers and we've we've used official data, and we've found that
57:00
the areas which have more extractions or a higher rate of extractions are the fluoridated
57:07
areas, not the non fluoridated areas which we were looking up now because we're
57:12
going to try and cover the country and do a comparison with all other areas,
57:15
just to show the government that they've been told porkies by their consultants and
57:21
their advisors, and the NHS is just basically out on the limb because they
57:25
can't prove that fluoridation reduces extractions in hospital