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#1629 Addicted 10 Year-Olds - David Gillespie · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get a tiff, I'm good, a habs. How are you?
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Speaker 2: I'm very good?
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Speaker 3: Thanks.
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Speaker 1: You were just guzzling your daily bloody intake in one
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Speaker 1: hit of water. How do you drink a set amount
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Speaker 1: of water per day?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm doing that thing where I'm drinking a
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Speaker 3: lot of water.
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Speaker 1: Right, good?
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Speaker 3: Good? Three to over three leaders?
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Speaker 1: Wow? And what's your weight? I know most people we
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Speaker 1: can't ask this, but you don't give a fuck about
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Speaker 1: sixty right?
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Speaker 3: A sixty one?
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Speaker 1: So sixty one three letters of water?
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Speaker 2: I know there's sixty four you know when she's finished
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Speaker 2: the three leaders?
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Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, and then in about half half
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Speaker 3: an hour will be sixty three and a half again water.
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Speaker 1: You know. Look, I'm no expert, but water is important.
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Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of your body.
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Speaker 2: Is there a reason why you're drinking so much water, Tiff?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing a seventy five hard challenge, and one
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Speaker 3: if you do a bunch of things every single day
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Speaker 3: for seventy five days, and one of those things is
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Speaker 3: drinking a gallon of water, tell you what, I don't
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Speaker 3: drink enough water generally, and you get really its distounded me.
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Speaker 3: How quickly after a few. I don't know, maybe a
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Speaker 3: week how thirsty I got despite drinking a lot of water,
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Speaker 3: because your body's like, oh you've got the message. Now
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Speaker 3: what thirsty means.
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Speaker 1: It seems weird to me to have a set amount
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Speaker 1: of water, considering the variability of body weights and how
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Speaker 1: much people sweat or don't sweat.
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Speaker 2: It seems like you don't know what the challenge is.
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Speaker 2: The challenge might be wear a clown hat one day
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Speaker 2: and drink three liters of water another day. You don't
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Speaker 2: know what it's all about.
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Speaker 1: I do, Yeah, I do know what it's all about. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I mean a lot of people are pretty regularly dehydrated,
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Speaker 1: and there's some pretty serious consequences like brain function, cognitive
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Speaker 1: function being one of them. You don't have to be
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Speaker 1: too dehydrated for your IQ to drop, so that's a
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Speaker 1: good reason to drink water.
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Speaker 2: Tip you feel lack of sleep or key you a
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Speaker 2: lot quicker than lack of water.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, lack of sleep booze? Do
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Speaker 1: you well? Your brains whatever? Seventy percent water. Your blood's
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Speaker 1: ninety percent water, So being dehydrated's going to give you
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Speaker 1: a thicker blood, which ain't good. All that stuff.
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Speaker 2: Sorry I interrupted you. You asked typical question.
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Speaker 3: Well, the question is, am I have I been smarter?
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Speaker 2: Harps?
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Speaker 3: How clever have I been lately?
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Speaker 1: So you you're fucking annoying? Annoying at the gym, can
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Speaker 1: attitudy attitudy. She's the only person that says she wants
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Speaker 1: me to train her, and then I tell you tell
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Speaker 1: her what to do and she doesn't want me to
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Speaker 1: train her tell what to do. If you don't want
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Speaker 1: me to tell you what to do, then don't fucking
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Speaker 1: come to the gym where I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 1: what to do. That's literally the situation, David.
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Speaker 3: I feel like I've had a bit of a strength
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Speaker 3: decline in recent well oh year really, and Harps doesn't
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Speaker 3: they ever take that in account? So sometimes when he
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Speaker 3: tells me certain weights and reps to get to and
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Speaker 3: they're hard, I'll get angry. Not at me. I get
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Speaker 3: angry at him because I'm falling below expectations on what
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Speaker 3: I could once lift. I get so angry, though, don't
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Speaker 3: I or hungry? I have few emotions in the gym.
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Speaker 1: Well, part of it's because you're thirty percent dude, and
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Speaker 1: you may or may not be taking pestosterone. We're not
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Speaker 1: sure yet. I don't say that.
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Speaker 3: People believe that. Harps said that to me once, David
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Speaker 3: perhaps once said when he first started training me three
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Speaker 3: months in, when I ripped up a bit, he goes,
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Speaker 3: if I didn't know you and I saw you in
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Speaker 3: the gym, I'd think you were on the gear. And
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Speaker 3: do you know how self conscious that made me?
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Speaker 4: Or what.
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Speaker 1: You don't understand is that's a fucking compliment. It's like, Also,
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Speaker 1: you've got to remember, I come from a background of
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm part from training proper athletes, and I
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Speaker 1: don't mean that disrespectfully bodybuilders, but I mean athlete athletes
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Speaker 1: who run and jump and lift and shit and go
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Speaker 1: to the Olympics. But I've also trained lots of bodybuilders,
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Speaker 1: and most female bodybuilders who look like you, which is
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're a fourty one year old woman who's
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Speaker 1: muscular and lean and walking around just looks like an athlete.
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Speaker 1: I mean you're a bit of a unicorn. And most
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Speaker 1: women who look like you that I have met anyway
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Speaker 1: that is strong, lean, all that kind of athletic, strong
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Speaker 1: as fuck. They might have a little bit of something
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Speaker 1: and a bolic on board That's all I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: You do realize that this tape is going to be
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Speaker 2: wheeled out if she ever tries to go to the
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Speaker 2: Olympics or something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a Well she's a boxer and it is
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Speaker 1: an Olympic sport, so yeah, that's a distinct possibility. Are
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Speaker 1: you a big water drinker, Dave? Or do you just
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Speaker 1: like do you actually drink water? Like? Do you have
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Speaker 1: bottled water that you scoff through the day?
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Speaker 2: No, because no, I drink anything. I drink, yeah, water,
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Speaker 2: whatever's to hand when I'm thirsty. I don't intensionally go
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Speaker 2: out of my way to drink vast quantities of water.
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Speaker 2: Do you drink booze every now and then? If there's
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Speaker 2: someone offer, what's your preference? It depends what the occasion is.
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Speaker 2: You know, if people are drinking beer, I'll drink beer,
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Speaker 2: and if they're drinking wine, I'll drink wine. And I
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Speaker 2: probably won't drink spirits just because I don't like them much.
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Speaker 1: Bobby Booth, tif, when was the last time you had alcohol?
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Speaker 1: You have a wine, don't you? Or something? The old wine?
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Speaker 3: Whenever? The last time when I hopped in my friend's
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Speaker 3: brand new spa at the back of the place. We
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Speaker 3: had a glass of wine. We had a bottle of wine.
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Speaker 3: I don't drink a lot, though, so I'm a spirits
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Speaker 3: or a wine. I'm a gin gin or brong.
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Speaker 1: When I was about fifteen, I had some cake, I
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Speaker 1: had a bit of rum in it. That's been my
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Speaker 1: alcoholic highlight.
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Speaker 2: That's about the same as my wife, Lizzie, which is
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Speaker 2: why I don't drink much most of the time, because
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Speaker 2: I'm in a household where they the other adult doesn't
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Speaker 2: drink at all.
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Lizzie. Now you sent me the worst
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Speaker 1: segue ever, but you sent me nonetheless. A very interesting
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Speaker 1: article about the use of smartphones in the UK, and
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Speaker 1: an organization called EE has recommended that kids under eleven
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Speaker 1: should be given basically, what is a version of the
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Speaker 1: old brick, the old motorola brick. That not that size,
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Speaker 1: of course, but I call it a dumb phone, so
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Speaker 1: not a smartphone. And I also read with bloody fascination
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Speaker 1: that a quarter of five to seven year olds, I
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Speaker 1: guess this is UK research own a smartphone.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be higher than that. Here
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Speaker 2: Australia tends to be on the leading edge of a
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Speaker 2: lot of technology adoption, so it's probably higher than that here.
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Speaker 2: First of all, who is EE Unless you're from the UK,
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Speaker 2: you won't know who they are. Then, the biggest telco
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Speaker 2: in the UK because mobile provider in the UK. They're
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Speaker 2: owned by British Telecom. They used to be called that. Well,
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Speaker 2: they're the result of a merger between Orange and the
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Speaker 2: German teleco network T Mobile. So they've got I think
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Speaker 2: twenty two million subscribers, so they're not number one. And
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Speaker 2: they've come out and they've said we don't think our
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Speaker 2: customers should be purchasing smartphones for our kids.
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Speaker 1: That's quite a thing for an organized, a profit driven organization,
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Speaker 1: sharehold driven, I would imagine. Are they a public company?
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Speaker 2: Well there aren't, by British Telecom, so not really no,
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Speaker 2: right so but still you know, money matters. And they've
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Speaker 2: looked at the research and they've said we are concerned.
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Speaker 2: We are concerned at giving these devices to children because
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Speaker 2: the research is quite clearly saying that there's a problem
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Speaker 2: giving these things to kids. And that backs up some
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Speaker 2: stuff that's been coming out in the media here lately.
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Speaker 2: So a few weeks ago, the Queensland Chief Health Officer
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Speaker 2: said that really kids shouldn't be getting not just young kids,
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Speaker 2: but teenagers as well, shouldn't be being allowed to have
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Speaker 2: unfettered access to smartphones. And the reason he gave for
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Speaker 2: that was the massive, significant, recent increase in mental illness
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Speaker 2: in adolescents in Australia. It's more than doubled in the
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Speaker 2: last ten years. You know, the stats are in now
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Speaker 2: on this stuff. Now, when I wrote my book teen Brain,
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Speaker 2: which I think came out about twenty fourteen, it was
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Speaker 2: you know, I was looking back at the recent past
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Speaker 2: three to four years ago and saying, well, you know,
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Speaker 2: the iPad and the iPhone came out a few years ago.
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Speaker 2: We're already starting to see the leading edge of problems
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Speaker 2: in the US on this and this is going to
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Speaker 2: be a big problem here. Well, now we've actually got
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Speaker 2: the starts to back that up, and it is a
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Speaker 2: big problem here. We are seeing anxiety, depression, ADHD, self harm,
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Speaker 2: you know, all going through the roof like we've never
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Speaker 2: ever ever seen before, and alarm bells are starting to
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Speaker 2: ring to the point where you've got someone whose job
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Speaker 2: really is to make money out of selling these things,
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Speaker 2: you know, because that's how they make money. You can't
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Speaker 2: use much data if the only thing you can do
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Speaker 2: with the phone is is send a text, so you know,
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Speaker 2: it's self sacrificing in a way to say no, no,
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Speaker 2: don't buy devices that use data, which is how we
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Speaker 2: make our money, because it's too dangerous for kids to have.
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Speaker 1: I was fascinated that they did that because I was
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Speaker 1: thinking that, Like with you, I'm like, they're literally it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: It's great because it seems like they're being ethically driven
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Speaker 1: or morally driven, however you want to frame it. It's amazing.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, also from a commercial point of view, shooting
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Speaker 1: themselves in the foot. And I caught up with someone
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Speaker 1: who used to work for me, who doesn't matter they
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Speaker 1: used to work for me anyway, This person that used
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Speaker 1: to work with me, we had a coffee today and
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Speaker 1: they were telling me about one of their kids. So
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Speaker 1: this person and their partner are separated, and one of
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Speaker 1: their kids. They were talking about how the only issues
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Speaker 1: that they have, the only time that this kid ever
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Speaker 1: loses their shit is about the use of phone and
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Speaker 1: tablet and access to internet. And the only way at times,
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Speaker 1: not generally, but you know, at times, the only way
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Speaker 1: they can get compliance is to restrict internet use, so
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Speaker 1: to basically turn off the Internet for that kid. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's like everything else, perfect but absolute horrendous behavior when
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Speaker 1: it comes to any kind of regulation or limitation of
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Speaker 1: access to their you know, their phone or their iPad
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Speaker 1: or whatever.
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Speaker 2: And almost all of your listeners who are parents of
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Speaker 2: teenage children would be able to tell you similar stories. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is not like being teenagers of parent you know, sorry,
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Speaker 2: parents are teenagers ten years ago because this didn't exist.
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Speaker 2: You know, the first iPad entered Australia in twenty eleven.
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Speaker 2: So if you were a parent of a teen before
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Speaker 2: twenty eleven, you don't know what I'm talking about here
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Speaker 2: unless your kid was a drug addict. But parents today
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Speaker 2: are experienced, almost all of them are experiencing exactly what
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Speaker 2: you're talking about, which is these kids behave like addicts
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Speaker 2: when you take the drugs away and they can't help it.
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Speaker 2: They're addicted. They're addicted on purpose by the manufacturers of
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Speaker 2: this software. And we would have a real problem with
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Speaker 2: any company that said, look, what we want to do
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Speaker 2: is we want to go into the schools and we
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Speaker 2: want to give kids highly addictive substances with their lunch.
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Speaker 2: We wouldn't be allowing that to happen under any circumstances. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, if we had the canteen dispensing vodka at lunchtime,
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Speaker 2: or gin, if it was TIFF's canteen, and you.
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Speaker 1: Know, protein bars was mine because I'm an excitement machine,
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Speaker 1: chickens wreasts.
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Speaker 2: So but that's effectively what we're doing, and it's worse
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Speaker 2: than vodka at lunchtime because that's a one off hit.
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Speaker 2: We're saying, put them on a drip of vodka all day,
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Speaker 2: every day, and if they act out, if they behave badly,
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Speaker 2: give them men fetamines to calm them down. That's what
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Speaker 2: we're saying at the moment, and rather unsurprisingly, where really
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Speaker 2: getting the results of that, which is a consequence of
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Speaker 2: addiction is anxiety and depression, and that's why those rates
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Speaker 2: have doubled in ten years. It's not a coincidence that
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Speaker 2: those are the ten years when we've been giving kids
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Speaker 2: highly addictive software to operate at will twenty four hours
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Speaker 2: a day.
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Speaker 1: So in a way, it's not just a kid behaving badly,
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Speaker 1: is it at all?
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Speaker 2: Given it's not a kid, it's not even a kid
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Speaker 2: behaving badly. Yes, yes, it's an addict, and the kid
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Speaker 2: has no more control over that than any other addict,
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Speaker 2: and the only way to stop it is to break
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Speaker 2: the addiction. And we're getting to a point where almost
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Speaker 2: everybody in society is going to be severely addicted and
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Speaker 2: we are not going to enjoy the society that that's
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Speaker 2: part of that. That is because alongside these things, alongside
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Speaker 2: the anxiety and depression, we see massive drops in impulse control,
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Speaker 2: have increases in violence like assaults, domestic violence, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: They're all the consequences. It's exactly the same as if
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Speaker 2: everybody was a crackhead. Imagine living in a society where
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Speaker 2: everybody's a crackhead. That's what we're traveling towards at high speed.
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Speaker 1: Yes, what's the and I know there's no three step plan,
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Speaker 1: but what's the what's the beginning of the plan? And
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Speaker 1: I know it's because also you think a lot of kids,
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Speaker 1: and that's what this person was talking to me about today.
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Speaker 1: Then they go to school and they do a lot
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Speaker 1: of their stuff on pads or iPads or similar like
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Speaker 1: their school work, and they have internet access at school.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any way that that's regulated
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Speaker 1: but you know they go to.
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Speaker 2: St it's heavily regulated. But the problem is every second
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Speaker 2: kid can hot spot you, so you know, you know,
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Speaker 2: while the schools stand there and say, oh, we control
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Speaker 2: our networks and now they won't be accessing this stuff
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Speaker 2: over our network, who cares if if they block access
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Speaker 2: over their network, then the kids will just hotspot it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And for the grandparents listening, that means that
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Speaker 1: they can. Essentially I could get I could use TIFF's
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Speaker 1: Internet from her phone if I don't have Internet access
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Speaker 1: on my phone, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if you're using a school iPad, for example,
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Speaker 2: and you're not and the school network stops you getting
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Speaker 2: to Instagram, then you can say to Tiff, can you
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Speaker 2: just hotspot me? She'll turn on a Wi Fi access
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Speaker 2: point on her phone, which every phone can do, and
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Speaker 2: then you can access the Internet via her phone and
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Speaker 2: there you go. Bob's your uncle. You're onto Instagram at school.
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Speaker 1: When did you get your first phone, your first mobile phone?
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Speaker 1: Do you remember what year and do you remember what
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Speaker 1: it was?
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Speaker 2: I do remember it. I remember it very starkly because
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Speaker 2: of the circumstance it happened in. So this was in
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Speaker 2: the late nineteen nineties, mid nineteen nineties, ninety five, ninety six,
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Speaker 2: something like that. I was working for a large law
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Speaker 2: firm and phones were starting to be you'll probably remember
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Speaker 2: this crag starting to be a bit of a something
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Speaker 2: people wanted to have. You know, they cost thousands of
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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of dollars, but if you had one,
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Speaker 2: well you must be special anyway. So I was working
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Speaker 2: for this firm and the partner calls me in and
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Speaker 2: he says, oh, I've got your phone now. The firm's
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Speaker 2: brought your phone, you know, so that and I said, well,
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Speaker 2: why do I need a phone. I'm here during the
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Speaker 2: day and when I'm at home, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: talk to you.
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Speaker 1: So you haven't changed. It's good to know you've always
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Speaker 1: been a prick. I like that. I'm glad you just
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Speaker 1: don't turn it on for me.
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Speaker 2: And he said, well, but I might need to contact you.
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Speaker 2: And I said, well, fine, well you can wait till
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Speaker 2: the next day and talk to me when I come
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Speaker 2: into work. So I handed him his phone back.
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Speaker 1: That's hilarious, did you guys? Thanks? But no thanks. I better.
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Speaker 1: I bet every other person in that organization their eyes
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Speaker 1: would have lit up like Christmas trees when they got
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Speaker 1: the same opportunity.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, well a lot of people did take the
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Speaker 2: phones and I thought they were insane. I thought, what
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Speaker 2: on earth do you want your boss to be able
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Speaker 2: to ring you when you're not at work?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's an issue. Now. That's been a very
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Speaker 1: topical conversation recently in Melbourne. Has that been all over
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Speaker 1: Australia that conversation or just in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: TIV I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: It's definitely they've been talking about that a lot in
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Speaker 1: Melbourne about bosses not being able to call employees outside
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Speaker 1: of workouts.
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Speaker 2: Is that I think. I think there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: leg I think there's a lot of exceptions in that legislation.
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Speaker 2: I think you have to read it pretty carefully. I
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Speaker 2: think it pretty muchlies, you know, to to you know,
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Speaker 2: the lowest tier of an organization that you can probably
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Speaker 2: start enforcing stuff like that. But the further up you go,
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Speaker 2: you know, it starts to be things like, oh, well
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Speaker 2: you've got to take account of your responsibilities and the
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Speaker 2: fact're on a salary and blah blah blah blah blah,
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Speaker 2: and it ends up being not much of anything at all.
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Speaker 1: Picked the lawyer and the conversation TIF ready ready said,
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Speaker 1: listen to.
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Speaker 3: You to run your eyes over the Pea contract.
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Speaker 1: You might have to get him to write it first.
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Speaker 1: You might have to get him to create it. Just
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Speaker 1: reminds me of Sheldon Cooper, which nobody do you never
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Speaker 1: watch The Big Bang Theory TIF to you?
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Speaker 3: I have occasionally.
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Speaker 2: Every now and then.
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Speaker 1: The roommate agreement, Sheldon's got a million different agreements were
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Speaker 1: seventeen paragraph do you know what? Speaking of TV? On
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Speaker 1: your recommendation? And I know we're fucking but what's new you? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like a dog with three dicks, But we'll come back
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Speaker 1: on track very soon. David would never use that, but
18:52
Speaker 1: I do. Everyone. You're welcome. You recommended a show to me.
18:57
Speaker 1: Now this is an indictment on me, But I don't
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Speaker 1: want much watch much Telly, like mainstream Telly. But I'll
19:04
Speaker 1: get in bed every night at stupid o'clock and watch
19:06
Speaker 1: an episode of something, which I know you're not meant
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Speaker 1: to do, but I sleep like a champion anyway. Friday
19:13
Speaker 1: Night Lights. I think you recommended that to me either
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Speaker 1: two weeks or four weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And I'm both proud and embarrassed. To say that. I
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Speaker 1: think last night I watched episode nineteen of the first season.
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Speaker 1: There's twenty two. There's twenty two episodes in the first season.
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Speaker 1: And the reason that you pointed that out to me,
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Speaker 1: which obviously I went in a cognizant of that thing
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Speaker 1: that you highlighted, was that the first series starts in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and six and spills into two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 1: So it starts like eighteen years ago when it was filmed,
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Speaker 1: and it's set in a school with all these or
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Speaker 1: in a town with a lot of young people and
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Speaker 1: a football team and school and blah blah blah. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: nobody's there are no smartphones, and the language is different,
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Speaker 1: and the way that kids socialize and interact is different.
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Speaker 1: And I know that it goes for five or six
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Speaker 1: or seven seasons and that changes towards the end of
20:10
Speaker 1: the thing. But yeah, it's like, firstly, thank you, because
20:13
Speaker 1: you've got me addicted to that, so not really. Now
20:17
Speaker 1: I'm watching teenage romance like a fucking idiot. I'm like,
20:20
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, no, don't do that,
20:23
Speaker 1: don't do that. Oh I wonder if they'll get back together.
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Speaker 1: I'm a fucking idiot.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I know that's why you're sticking with it.
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Speaker 2: But the reason I recommended it was exactly that is,
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Speaker 2: it's like a sort of time capsule. It is, it's
20:39
Speaker 2: set over a period. But that turned out to be
20:42
Speaker 2: critically important to the way teenagers interact with each other.
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Speaker 2: And we're going to be able to look back on this,
20:48
Speaker 2: and even today, a teenager looking back at that show
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Speaker 2: will we'll think it's a totally foreign concept. As you say,
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Speaker 2: the way they interact with each other.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: So there's a scene in the gym somewhere in there
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Speaker 2: where the football team comes out, I think this is
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Speaker 2: in the first season and they start, you know, they're
21:07
Speaker 2: dressed as girls or something like that, and start dancing
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Speaker 2: around and they pan across the stadium at all the
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Speaker 2: other kids watching it, and you're so used to these
21:18
Speaker 2: days in a scene like that, everyone would have their
21:21
Speaker 2: phone out, everyone would be filming these football players dressed
21:25
Speaker 2: as girls, and not a single one as there. They're
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Speaker 2: just cheering it, they're living it. They're part of the moment,
21:31
Speaker 2: and it's a real contrast to today. And as the
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Speaker 2: show goes on, as you get towards the end of it.
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Speaker 2: I think series five or something is the end of it.
21:41
Speaker 2: There are starting to be smartphones and you can see
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Speaker 2: how it changes even the interactions in the show.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's like and that's I watched this thing the
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Speaker 1: other day. We're digressing, but fuck it, we don't need
21:52
Speaker 1: to follow an agenda. Chris Hemsworth, he does this series
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Speaker 1: where tif you've seen some that, haven't you, where he
22:01
Speaker 1: does these challenges and one of the challenges that he
22:04
Speaker 1: set for himself was to learn drums and he ended
22:07
Speaker 1: up playing drums back up drums for Ed Sheeran in
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Speaker 1: front of seventy thousand people, right, So he trained for
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Speaker 1: months and clearly he's not the best drummer in the world,
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Speaker 1: but he trained himself to be competent enough to play
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Speaker 1: and get away with it. But what was funny was,
22:25
Speaker 1: you know, they were talking about that and Chris Hemsworth
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Speaker 1: on stage and then Ed Sheeran brought him out from
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Speaker 1: behind the drums and said, hey, everyone, this guy's been
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Speaker 1: playing drums for the last four songs and he killed it.
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Speaker 1: And everyone's like ah, And all you saw was like
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Speaker 1: seventy thousand fucking phones in the air, like nobody's actually
22:44
Speaker 1: watching in real time. Everybody's filming yeah, and it's just like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is yeah. You just see what looks like one
22:55
Speaker 1: million lights out in the audience, which is essentially everybody's
22:59
Speaker 1: you know, phone filming this Like we're so preoccupied with
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Speaker 1: catching stuff on camera, that's like we miss it in
23:07
Speaker 1: the moment.
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Speaker 2: I know you intended to do this, Craig, but in
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Speaker 2: your Grandpa rant there, you've actually happened across. One of
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Speaker 2: the solutions to phone addiction.
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Speaker 1: I meant it, I completely meant it.
23:20
Speaker 2: You're welcome, which is focus on something to be good
23:24
Speaker 2: enough to play drums with Ed Sharant. Now, the amount
23:29
Speaker 2: of focus required for Chris to get good enough yes
23:34
Speaker 2: to play drums for Ed Sharant and not be a
23:37
Speaker 2: mess yes is absolutely addiction breaking. So the answer to
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Speaker 2: the question you asked me earlier on which is what
23:46
Speaker 2: do you do about it? How do you get kids
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Speaker 2: out of this addiction? How do you get them out
23:51
Speaker 2: of this state? Is find something they're interested in and
23:55
Speaker 2: drive them to be focused on it until they are
23:59
Speaker 2: in the flow of doing that thing, and then they
24:01
Speaker 2: won't even remember they had an iPad let alone that
24:04
Speaker 2: they were addicted to it. Mm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Well, one of my friends, she's
24:10
Speaker 1: got a twelve year how old I am. She's got
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Speaker 1: a twelve year old granddaughter who's just a superstar athlete
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Speaker 1: who trains all the time, represents the state in footy
24:20
Speaker 1: and basketball. Her name is Indy. Shout out to Indy.
24:22
Speaker 1: And yeah, like her life is so busy with school
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Speaker 1: and sport and that none of these very typical things
24:30
Speaker 1: are an issue for her. But that's because I guess,
24:33
Speaker 1: like you're saying, her energy and her focus is somewhere else.
24:36
Speaker 2: Well, she's getting a high somewhere else. So you know,
24:39
Speaker 2: runners high is a real thing. When you exercise intensely,
24:44
Speaker 2: your body generates endorphins, and doorphins are endogenous morphines, you know,
24:50
Speaker 2: that's the uncontracted version of that. So your body creates morphine,
24:54
Speaker 2: which is on an addictive drug. And so when you
24:58
Speaker 2: do intense exercise, you get a hit of endorphins, which
25:01
Speaker 2: is why runners become addicted to it. It's why people
25:04
Speaker 2: become addicted to exercise. It's why Tiff can't walk past
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Speaker 2: a gym on a day when she's supposed to be
25:10
Speaker 2: in the gym. You know, it's an addiction, and it's
25:14
Speaker 2: a real addiction, and people give it a free pass because, well,
25:18
Speaker 2: the side effects of that addiction aren't so bad. But
25:22
Speaker 2: when the side effects of an addiction are that it
25:25
Speaker 2: just gets worse and worse and worse, which is what
25:28
Speaker 2: happens with your more classic addiction like gambling or gaming
25:32
Speaker 2: or drugs, is that you destroy the rest of your life.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Now it's possible to do that with a health addiction too.
25:39
Speaker 2: It's possible to be so obsessed with running, so obsessed
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Speaker 2: with working out, that the rest of your life goes
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Speaker 2: to shit.
25:47
Speaker 1: I've had it. I've had it. There's a thing called
25:51
Speaker 1: athletic and nevosa. So when I was a kid, I
25:54
Speaker 1: was fat kid, blah blah blah. Then I started running,
25:57
Speaker 1: and I went from being the adest kid to being
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Speaker 1: the fittest kid, or one of the fittest kids in
26:02
Speaker 1: my school. Not because I was talented or anything, but
26:04
Speaker 1: just because I was, you know, fifty percent crazy and
26:07
Speaker 1: fifty percent discipline. But I lost thirty odd kilos. I
26:10
Speaker 1: went from never running to running all the time. And
26:15
Speaker 1: you know, I did push ups and sit ups and
26:17
Speaker 1: chin ups every day, and I went from being out
26:18
Speaker 1: of shape to in shape. But that state of being
26:22
Speaker 1: fit and strong and not fat anymore, and not socially
26:26
Speaker 1: isolated anymore, and not picked last for teams anymore. Now
26:29
Speaker 1: I'm picked first, or now I'm picked in the first
26:32
Speaker 1: few anyway, and now I'm not socially invisible, and now
26:36
Speaker 1: good things are happening. Right, so you have this association.
26:39
Speaker 1: Well fuck, if I look good, then all this good
26:41
Speaker 1: stuff happens.
26:43
Speaker 2: So I ad ad a biochemical level, I know you're
26:45
Speaker 2: going to give us some psychological blood.
26:47
Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all.
26:49
Speaker 2: At a biochemical level, what's going on there is that
26:52
Speaker 2: positive feedback from your peer group generates oxytocin. And and
26:56
Speaker 2: don't mean hitch.
26:56
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, I agree with you. I'm not even
26:59
Speaker 1: going to psycho babbel it for you. But what I
27:01
Speaker 1: was going to say was I played a game of
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Speaker 1: footy and I fucked my ankle really badly and I
27:07
Speaker 1: couldn't run. Now that's like saying to a heroin addict,
27:11
Speaker 1: well just go off heroin for a couple of weeks, right,
27:14
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's because I ran every day.
27:17
Speaker 1: It wouldn't matter. Wouldn't matter, Like I ran three hundred
27:20
Speaker 1: and sixty five days of the year for years. Right,
27:22
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter, There's no reason I wouldn't run. And
27:26
Speaker 1: I couldn't even put my foot flat, and I snuck
27:29
Speaker 1: out of my I couldn't even walk right, and I
27:31
Speaker 1: snuck out of my bedroom window. This how stupid I
27:35
Speaker 1: was because I needed to run. I was about fifteen
27:38
Speaker 1: or sixteen, and I thought, I know it's going to hurt,
27:40
Speaker 1: but I'm just going to run a few k's and
27:43
Speaker 1: just deal with the pain. And it was so excruciating
27:46
Speaker 1: I couldn't, like, it was just agony, and I literally couldn't.
27:49
Speaker 1: And while I was walking back to my house dejectedly
27:52
Speaker 1: at ten o'clock at night in Latro Valley, I put
27:55
Speaker 1: my foot in the gutter. And what that did was
27:59
Speaker 1: kind of super my foot, which made it turn my
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Speaker 1: foot out like my So I was leaning on the
28:04
Speaker 1: outside of my ankle, rolling in as pronation out as supernation.
28:08
Speaker 1: But when I had my foot in that position, it
28:11
Speaker 1: took away about eighty percent of the pain. I'm like, oh,
28:14
Speaker 1: so when I got in a certain position. So I
28:17
Speaker 1: spent the next couple of weeks sneaking out the window
28:19
Speaker 1: at night, running with one foot in the gutter. That's
28:22
Speaker 1: how crazy I was. And it's like I didn't feel
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Speaker 1: good until I've done it. I was completely addicted, completely,
28:30
Speaker 1: and and that.
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Speaker 2: Just shows it it's possible to beat him. By the way.
28:34
Speaker 2: Sure we'll fun fact I saw during the week. So
28:38
Speaker 2: the how you know chili peppers, how they taste hot?
28:44
Speaker 1: And you heard it here first, folks, that's you're welcome,
28:49
Speaker 1: David Gillespie. Mate, there's our fucking there's our video grab.
28:54
Speaker 1: You're welcomed to. Of all the shit you've said, that
28:58
Speaker 1: probably the dumbest, but you're welcome.
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Speaker 2: So do you know why they taste hot?
29:05
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I it's got whatever that stuff is.
29:10
Speaker 2: Capt that stuff. Yes, there's a chemical in chilies, But
29:17
Speaker 2: how it makes it taste hot is it interacts with
29:19
Speaker 2: our nerves to actually simulate genuine heat, so our brain
29:23
Speaker 2: thinks we are genuinely on fire. So it's not similar
29:30
Speaker 2: to being on fire as far as our brain's concerned,
29:33
Speaker 2: we are, which is why people break out in a
29:36
Speaker 2: sweat and so on when they consume really really hot chilies.
29:41
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about that is that it has
29:44
Speaker 2: the same effect on dopamine as actually being burnt, so
29:49
Speaker 2: you actually get a dopamine stimulus from consuming a hot
29:53
Speaker 2: chili in the same way you would from cutting yourself
29:58
Speaker 2: or inflicting pain in any way, because pain generates an
30:01
Speaker 2: indorphan response. So instead of going for that marathon run,
30:07
Speaker 2: you could just chow down on a bowl of really
30:10
Speaker 2: hot chili and you would get that same dopamine response. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Hey, here's something for our listeners and for you that
30:18
Speaker 1: you might not even know about. So there's a show
30:21
Speaker 1: on YouTube called hot Ones. Have you ever heard of it? No,
30:25
Speaker 1: So the point of the show, which you would think
30:27
Speaker 1: this is fucking ridiculous, it's never going to take off, Tiff,
30:30
Speaker 1: just google that, right, in fact, google Ryan Reynolds and
30:33
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman hot Ones. They were on about four weeks ago.
30:38
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it now. Twenty seven million people have
30:41
Speaker 1: watched their episode. So what they do, David, is they
30:44
Speaker 1: get famous people on this dude and they give them
30:47
Speaker 1: a bit of meat for whatever it is, and it
30:49
Speaker 1: will have a progressively hotter and hotter source. It gets
30:54
Speaker 1: to the point where like this one will kill you.
30:57
Speaker 1: And they just started I don't know, level one, and
31:00
Speaker 1: they go up to level fifteen out of ten. But yeah,
31:04
Speaker 1: and the whole point of the show is to see
31:06
Speaker 1: how hot people can go. And it's funny because you
31:11
Speaker 1: get these like often an alpha male who's like fuck this,
31:15
Speaker 1: I've got this, and they're in tears, They've got snot
31:18
Speaker 1: coming down their face, their face starts to swell and
31:22
Speaker 1: goes red, their tongue swells, they can't talk, and it's
31:26
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. Anyway, Everyone have a look. It's called hot
31:29
Speaker 1: ones and have a look at them. I'm looking at
31:32
Speaker 1: it now. Have a look at Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman.
31:36
Speaker 1: It came out a month ago.
31:38
Speaker 2: You know I was in a movie once with Hugh Jackman.
31:41
Speaker 1: You were in a movie? Yeah, hell so I would
31:45
Speaker 1: have been more respectful. No, I wouldn't a movie. What movie?
31:51
Speaker 2: When? When Sweet Poison first came out, there was a
31:54
Speaker 2: movie made of the movie version of the book was
31:57
Speaker 2: made by a local austrain actor, Damon Gamo and he
32:03
Speaker 2: Madman Films I think produced it, etc. I think to
32:07
Speaker 2: this day it's still the highest grossing nonfiction documentary type
32:12
Speaker 2: film ever made in Australia. And Hugh Jackman did a
32:16
Speaker 2: cameo in the film to promote not eating sugar.
32:20
Speaker 1: Wow.
32:21
Speaker 2: So if you ever want to see that, you'll find it.
32:24
Speaker 2: What is the name of the film, Sweet something or other?
32:29
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but anyway, it's yeah, so yeah. So
32:34
Speaker 2: my claim to fame there as I was in a
32:35
Speaker 2: movie with Hugh Jackman. I didn't actually get to meet him, right,
32:40
Speaker 2: we're in the same movie together.
32:42
Speaker 4: Well, my claim to fame is I was doing an
32:47
Speaker 4: online seminar and they had like twenty people from around
32:50
Speaker 4: the world, like it was a conference, and Deepak Chopra
32:53
Speaker 4: was one of the speakers and him and I were
32:55
Speaker 4: next to each other on the card It's got luck
32:59
Speaker 4: Wow pack and then Fatty Harps from fucking Latro Valley
33:03
Speaker 4: just right next to him. I took about thirty two
33:05
Speaker 4: screenshots so that went, look who I'm presenting with That
33:08
Speaker 4: we didn't we weren't even on the same continent, but made.
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Speaker 1: Me feel good. All right, let's wrap this up. So
33:14
Speaker 1: how do we put a little how do we put
33:16
Speaker 1: a little ribbon on this? Is there any gold that
33:20
Speaker 1: you want to share regarding this?
33:22
Speaker 2: Look? To me, I think it's it's a really important
33:24
Speaker 2: step forward that you've got a major telcode in the
33:28
Speaker 2: world and the UK saying do not buy our product
33:32
Speaker 2: because it is dangerous for children. I think that's a
33:35
Speaker 2: really interesting point. We've reached here where someone who stands
33:40
Speaker 2: to make real money out of selling this product is saying,
33:43
Speaker 2: don't buy it if it's going to be given to
33:45
Speaker 2: a child, and that should be taken as the warning
33:48
Speaker 2: it is.
33:49
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing. I think good on them, like
33:52
Speaker 1: good on them for doing that, because they're not doing
33:55
Speaker 1: themselves a favor. They're doing themselves commercially a disservice. But
33:58
Speaker 1: it seems like they're doing the right thing. Mate, say,
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Speaker 1: we'll say goodbye here, but as always, are you famous bastard?
34:05
Speaker 1: You and Hugh Jackman, Yeah and you yeah, yeah yeah
34:09
Speaker 1: in the pod. That's all right, Thanks Tiff, Thanks guys,