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Seven Wonders of the Ancient World: The Temple of Artemis · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 2: We've got more episodes on the way spoiler three, and
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  Speaker 2: one is part five of this series.
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  Speaker 4: It is the.
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  Speaker 2: Temple of Artemis, also as the Artemisia.
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  Speaker 4: Artemis is the one with the bow and arrow, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, basically, basically it's like a t MoU brand
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  Speaker 2: of Diana.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Artemis, the Greek goddess of the hunt, always depicted
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  Speaker 4: with a bow and arrow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Temple of Artemis, according to Ephesian tourism
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  Speaker 2: and DMC is or was spoiler one of the seven
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  Speaker 2: Wonders of the ancient world, and it is seen as
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  Speaker 2: similar to like the Colossus of Rhodes. It's seen as
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  Speaker 2: this testament to humanities, hold my beer approach to making
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  Speaker 2: unnecessarily amazing things.
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  Speaker 4: Mortorline weird flexes. But okay, oh yeah, oh for sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's it was located in the city of Ephesius, which
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  Speaker 2: is now part of modern day Turkey. A and it was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was a temple, a sight of religious significance.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get into the story, we got to understand
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  Speaker 2: some of the context and the context that you so
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  Speaker 2: beautifully foreshadowed there. Noel is the concept of Artemis in
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  Speaker 2: general in Greek religion. Back in those days, as in
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  Speaker 2: the modern day, you have to be kind of a
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  Speaker 2: big deal to have a statue or a temple or
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  Speaker 2: a building named after you.
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  Speaker 4: Truth. Yeah. No, nowadays you can commission one to be built,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 2: For yourself. Sure, maybe at the White House possibly cool.
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  Speaker 2: Walk down the street from that one, we love down
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  Speaker 2: down Kay Street. Ooh nice, Oh, I love that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the thing that we adore about Greek mythology is
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  Speaker 2: that it is a polytheistic enterprise. So Artemis is the
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  Speaker 2: goddess of wild animal, the hunt, the goddess of vegetation,
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  Speaker 2: the goddess of chastity, and paradoxically childbirth.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's also paradoxical that she's the goddess of
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  Speaker 4: wild animals, the hunt, and vegetables. She's a bit of
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  Speaker 4: an omnivore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that does feel like it's four point thirty on
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  Speaker 2: a Friday and they're just figuring out attributes.
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  Speaker 4: Just chuck that one in there too, Just pop it
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  Speaker 4: around for vegetables.
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  Speaker 2: Someone's like snapping their fingers in the pitch meeting and
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  Speaker 2: they're going animals, also hunting animals.
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  Speaker 4: Minerals in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And this this character, this concept, this
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  Speaker 2: deity is later identified by the famous plagiariss the Romans
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  Speaker 2: with Diane.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, you know, if you're gonna steal, steal, well they did.
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  Speaker 4: They did a pretty good job, made it their own.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, she was a bit of a fan favorite, Artemis,
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  Speaker 4: oh very much. She's the daughter of Zeus and Leto,
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  Speaker 4: not Jared, and she is the twin sister of Apollo,
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  Speaker 4: the god.
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  Speaker 2: Not your daughter.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's been named after I do believe are
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  Speaker 4: possibly named after Apollo Creek because he's tough, but so
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  Speaker 4: was Apollo the gods. So yeah, like I was saying,
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  Speaker 4: Among the locals, the rural populace, Artemis was a favorite
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  Speaker 4: goddess because they really relied on the hunt. They relied
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  Speaker 4: on crops, then she kind of and they relied on
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  Speaker 4: healthy childbirth, you know, hopefully not dying in childbirth, which
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  Speaker 4: was certainly a thing that happened more often than one
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  Speaker 4: would like. So she represented a lot of things that
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  Speaker 4: were very important to the average humans, the average citizens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, dude. And also, like so many
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  Speaker 2: other gods, in these pantheons, her aspects or specific functions,
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  Speaker 2: the things people would worshiper for they varied over place
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  Speaker 2: to place, right, So, you could go to one town
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  Speaker 2: and they would be like, Artemis is awesome at vegetables.
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  Speaker 2: You go to another town and they'd be like, Artemis
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  Speaker 2: is awesome for chastity. And then you go to another
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  Speaker 2: town they'd say, well, we're more into the childbirth aspect.
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  Speaker 2: So apparently if you look at the forest instead of
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  Speaker 2: just the individual trees of temples, behind all of the aspects,
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  Speaker 2: there was this goddess who embodied wild nature, the forest,
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  Speaker 2: the mountains, the marshes. She was the sportsman's ideal. So
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  Speaker 2: in addition to killing wild game, she also protected wild animals.
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  Speaker 2: She's like a problematic captain planet.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I mean there's a balance to that, right,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, even today we've got the whatever, the Fish
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  Speaker 4: and Wildlife Organization. I'm sorry, I'm totally getting the name wrong,
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  Speaker 4: but the idea of like you have to have a
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  Speaker 4: hunting license so that you can balance out how many
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  Speaker 4: animals are killed versus how many are born, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: Not going to say that it's a perfect science, but
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  Speaker 4: this idea of the balance of nature is very important
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  Speaker 4: even to this day and probably not honored nearly as
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  Speaker 4: well as it was back under Artemis's watch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, there were a lot more wild non human
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  Speaker 2: animals back in the day. So we want to give
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  Speaker 2: a special shout out to super producer research associate Max
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  Speaker 2: Williams for shouting out the day dra from Elder Scrolls.
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  Speaker 2: I know you well, bro her scene, that's a great reference.
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  Speaker 2: You want to say something about her scene real quick?
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  Speaker 4: Nah?
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  Speaker 2: All right, fair enough Max, with the facts. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 2: do it. Also to follow up real quick for Skyrim fans,
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  Speaker 2: you can get a ring of her scene, which allows
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  Speaker 2: you more werewolf transformations.
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  Speaker 3: You also you can always get the high to here scene,
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  Speaker 3: which you get from ripping the hide off of a werewolf.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, graphic.
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  Speaker 2: So those are the two most important parts of this episode. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: With that done, let's uh, let's talk a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about the location of the Temple of Artemis, which leads
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  Speaker 2: us to how it became a wonder of the world
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  Speaker 2: in the first place.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you start hearing about a thesis around the
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  Speaker 4: mid seventh century BCE Britannica rights that it was attacked
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  Speaker 4: by Simrians, not Summarians. This is C I M M
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  Speaker 4: E R I A N. That's not the same thing, right,
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  Speaker 4: there's no So it's like codin. So for a part
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  Speaker 4: of the early sixth century, it was under the rule
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  Speaker 4: of tyrants. This is a you know, a ruling plundering
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  Speaker 4: people essentially, you know, wreck shop and took over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very much not a democracy. The might is right
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  Speaker 2: rule is what decides the political machinations of the day.
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  Speaker 2: So the issue here is very high stakes game of
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  Speaker 2: throne stuff. We're talking about political alliances through marriage. So
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  Speaker 2: our good friends in the town of Fijius are allied
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  Speaker 2: by or allied by marriage to the kings of Lydia,
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  Speaker 2: which means that this other dude, a Lydian guy named
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  Speaker 2: Crosius runs the place. He has SU's ranity over it.
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  Speaker 4: You rock suzerain a lot, don't you. Ben I seem
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  Speaker 4: to give it to us again because I'm kind of
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  Speaker 4: misconstruing the meaning a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the best way to say it is it's
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  Speaker 2: a kind of fake autonomy or a miniature version of sovereignty.
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  Speaker 2: So suserinity means that you will have two states and
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  Speaker 2: there's a vassal state or a subservient lower state, and
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  Speaker 2: it has its own government, but it can't really do
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  Speaker 2: anything other than what the daddy state tells.
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  Speaker 4: So it's almost like a democracy in name only, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you could say autonomy and name only I suppose, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: internal autonomy and so like Iceland has relative autonomy internally
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  Speaker 4: but ultimately another government from the European Union controls it.
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  Speaker 2: Or you could say Volbard has since we're sticking to
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  Speaker 2: North Atlantics, Valbard has internal autonomy, but ultimately Norway makes
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  Speaker 2: all the global calls believe India.
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  Speaker 4: Is a Sousan souzarin the team. Oh yeah, I think
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  Speaker 4: that's right. Yeah, I'm looking up some of modern examples
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  Speaker 4: and that one's coming up. But that might be a
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  Speaker 4: topic for another day because I think we've clearly kicked
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  Speaker 4: it around enough and maybe it's worth further exploration.
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  Speaker 2: If we dive into the story and we go to
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  Speaker 2: seven Wonders dot Org, we'll see that there are ancient
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  Speaker 2: Greek tales that attribute the origin of Artemis worship in
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  Speaker 2: Ephesius to a legendary group called the Amazons hashtag not
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos.
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  Speaker 4: No, this is like the yeah, the warrior class, right,
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  Speaker 4: the Warrior group.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Warrior.
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  Speaker 4: Women, Yes, exactly, thank you, thank you. I believe Wonder
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  Speaker 4: Woman was one. She was one of the wonders of
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  Speaker 4: the ancient world herself. Archaeological excavations that happened before World
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  Speaker 4: War One discovered three previous versions of temples, each stacked
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  Speaker 4: and built atop the other one on the same site.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get back to this a little bit. The idea
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  Speaker 4: of what's that bit from Monty Python the Holy Grail,
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  Speaker 4: the castle that kept it sunk into the swamp. So
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  Speaker 4: I built another castle. Let did it second to the
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  Speaker 4: swamp too? And then yes, and this one stood or
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  Speaker 4: the ancient city of Troy also true.
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  Speaker 3: Have you guys seen the title? Look at the title
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  Speaker 3: the name of this episode in the brief. Yes, oh yes,
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  Speaker 3: the one burn down, fell over into What I was writing,
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  Speaker 3: it's all you think about, was the Monty Python's.
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  Speaker 4: Going, Oh gosh, yeah, do go and check out that bit.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's delightful. And I was totally misquoting it, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you nailed it. Not only it burned down, fell over
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  Speaker 4: and then sank into this one. So we have two
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  Speaker 4: previous temples that for reasons didn't make it and then
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  Speaker 4: this wonder of the ancient world was built on top of.
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  Speaker 2: Those I love for reasons. By the way, that's up
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  Speaker 2: there with mistakes were made true where I have become strange.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's our old one. By the way, folks
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  Speaker 2: speed behind the curtain. On a different show, Buddy Nolan
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  Speaker 2: and I figured out that you can get away with
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  Speaker 2: dodging any social situation by saying I'm sorry, I can't
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  Speaker 2: make it. I have become strange.
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  Speaker 4: I would not say necessarily get away. It's an out
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  Speaker 4: for sure, but then there are questions.
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  Speaker 2: There's a diminishing return at a certain point. It will
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  Speaker 2: work once in any group chat.
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  Speaker 4: For sure. I think the best move that you originated,
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  Speaker 4: Ben is just the hey it's Ben from earlier, which
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  Speaker 4: I use all the time in my private life, not
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  Speaker 4: with your name, with my.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a great one. Yeah, introduce yourself as
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  Speaker 2: Kama from earlier in most social situations, and people will
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  Speaker 2: be so mortified by the idea of admitting that they
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  Speaker 2: don't know who you are that nine times nine point
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  Speaker 2: three times out of ten they will go with us.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, look back to the more important thing, how
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  Speaker 2: did this become this succession of temples. How did it
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  Speaker 2: become considered one of the ancient wonders of the world.
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  Speaker 2: It gets its entry into the list around five point
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  Speaker 2: fifty BCE. There is a cretion architect named Chersifron and
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  Speaker 2: his son co signs him here, the king of Lydia Crosis,
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  Speaker 2: the guy we mentioned earlier who has suseranity and is
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  Speaker 2: kind of a pill A.
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  Speaker 4: Bit of a butt head, yeah, a bit of a.
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  Speaker 2: Head meeting of butt There's this new statue of the
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  Speaker 2: Goddess that sculpted by a guy named ind OUs E
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  Speaker 2: N d I O S. And then they also made
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  Speaker 2: a small temple that had like a little pop up
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  Speaker 2: mini temple that had columns or pillars, triangular structure above
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  Speaker 2: the look they made it a thing, is what we're saying,
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  Speaker 2: sort of an arc way of housing the goddess.
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  Speaker 4: The sculpture of the Goddess herself. It was, according to
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  Speaker 4: Ephesian tourism and the d MC, quite the architectural masterpiece,
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  Speaker 4: exemplifying the skill and artistry of ancient builders. It demonstrated
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  Speaker 4: a lot of very very important architectural structural techniques that
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  Speaker 4: were perfected by the Romans.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's imagine if television existed and you heard a
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  Speaker 2: TV ad for this, or if podcast existed and you
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  Speaker 2: heard an ad for this, they would say, the Temple
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  Speaker 2: of Artemis. You like columns, you like iotic columns, Well
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  Speaker 2: we got you. We got so many columns. We got
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  Speaker 2: more than one hundred columns, maybe one hundred and thirty,
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  Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and twenty seven. You gotta see for yourself,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll tell you. The columns are so tall, sixty feet.
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  Speaker 2: This is an imposing temple.
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  Speaker 4: Dude. Your pitch right there reminds me of there's this
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  Speaker 4: store in New Jersey. There's a band named after it
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  Speaker 4: called Fountains of Wayne, and it is just it is
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  Speaker 4: a store that just sells fountains. And it's in Wayne,
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  Speaker 4: New Jersey, and it is featured in an episode of
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  Speaker 4: The Sopranos where Tony goes to buy a fountain. And
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  Speaker 4: it also they sell things like like weird sculptural busts
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  Speaker 4: and stuff that you might have, you know, on your
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  Speaker 4: lawn or veranda.
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  Speaker 2: You need a balustrade, you need a quidich, come.
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  Speaker 4: Come, come on down to columns of Wayne.
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  Speaker 2: You got columns of Wayne. So the temple roof is
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  Speaker 2: super fancy They've got these intricate, ornate carvings and sculptures
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  Speaker 2: that all depict various scenes from Greek mythology. And you
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  Speaker 2: see this the world round and holy sites right like
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  Speaker 2: angor Watt is another famous example of world away. This
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  Speaker 2: stuff is so incredibly impressive and it's really it's an
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  Speaker 2: exhibition of high level craftsmanship for the time. This makes
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  Speaker 2: the Temple of Artemis an absolute show stopping stutter. That's
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  Speaker 2: the first temple. It's really impressive, and then it got
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  Speaker 2: destroyed and we see again there's a pattern here. You're thinking, folks,
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  Speaker 2: fellow ridiculous historians. You're thinking, I'm going to tick because
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  Speaker 2: you apparently have a bad British chex it. You're thinking,
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  Speaker 2: this is episode five of you guys with the Wonders
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  Speaker 2: of the World, So why what about the previous four wonders?
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  Speaker 2: What are we talking about? Check out our Hanging Gardens episode.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a banger. Q. Are we about to get
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  Speaker 4: into some mayhem here? We've teased some burnings and sackings
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  Speaker 4: and crushings and topplings. We got to get to it right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 4: The first one's a little underwhelming, as we've already teased
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  Speaker 4: with the money Python refs. The temple faced its first catastrophic,
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  Speaker 4: let's say, failure due to a severe flood in the
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  Speaker 4: seventh century, causing more than half a meter of sand
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  Speaker 4: and debris to be deposited, which covered the original clay
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  Speaker 4: foundation of the temple, and the subsequent flooding.
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  Speaker 2: Led to.
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  Speaker 4: Further silt deposits, which gradually elevated the site by about
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  Speaker 4: two meters and caused it to become structurally unsound.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for a lot of us, especially people who
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  Speaker 2: live in a low elevation area, this feels counterintuitive because
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  Speaker 2: we're thinking, oh, it raised from the ground, right, shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: that make it more safe. Unfortunately, it was a real
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  Speaker 2: touch touch situation because as the centuries continued, the thing
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  Speaker 2: kept rising due to that, due to that to breed
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  Speaker 2: you described, and people kept using the temple until you know,
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  Speaker 2: it sank.
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  Speaker 4: What goes up must come down. However, they weren't gonna
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  Speaker 4: they weren't gonna put up with this, those a few,
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  Speaker 4: those crafty Ephesians, so they decided to rebuild it. After
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  Speaker 4: a reconstruction period in around five point fifty BCE that
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  Speaker 4: was paid for by Crotius who's the ruler of Ephesius.
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  Speaker 4: The architect Cherisifron and his son Metagenes Metagenous. Perhaps they
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  Speaker 4: were responsible for overseeing the massive construction project. And they
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  Speaker 4: did some you know, they did some plussing up of
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  Speaker 4: it as well. They added some marble structures measuring one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen meters long and forty six meters wide,
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  Speaker 4: and adding further you know, wow factor architectural embellishments, like
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  Speaker 4: the double rows of columns that do you want colum? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we got more.
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  Speaker 2: We got so many columns. The rumors about the temples
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  Speaker 2: sinking into the swamp are ma larking cub C Temple.
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  Speaker 4: Two, Temple two, I love it, thirteen meters high, surrounding
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  Speaker 4: the what was referred to as the Cella, which was
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  Speaker 4: an inner sanctum that actually housed the image of Artemis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this again, as you said, I love the
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  Speaker 2: phrase plus up this is bigger, better, bolder, faster, stronger,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. Or however that song went, what was.
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  Speaker 4: It daft punk? Yeah, yeah, it's one of the bigger, faster, harder, stronger.
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  Speaker 4: I think we might have left one out. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 4: got this, We get the idea that was what's going
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  Speaker 4: on here? Are you're going to come back? You got
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  Speaker 4: to come back harder, for sure. So, as we've hinted,
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  Speaker 4: this one didn't last either.
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  Speaker 2: Temple V two point zero gets destroyed in three point
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  Speaker 2: fifty six BCE, this time due to a fire. The
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  Speaker 2: fire consumes the area. And look, folks, it may sound
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  Speaker 2: weird when you hear a fire destroying a largely stone
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  Speaker 2: and marble ten, but we have to remember there was
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of flammable stuff around there as well, fabric
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  Speaker 2: and various decorations, and of course human beings well.
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  Speaker 4: And of course we know that you know, over time,
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  Speaker 4: long enough exposure to heat will degrade the structural soundness
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  Speaker 4: of even the heaviest materials.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Sure, and they depend upon wooden roof beams as well.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: The second destruction is probably due to an arsonist, a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: guy named Herostratus or hero Stratus. He wanted to be famous.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's something a lot of people experience in ancient civilization
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and in the modern day. So for a long time
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: his character was ruined because people said this guy wanted
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to go down in history as the dude who set
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: one of the world's greatest temples on fire. Luckily, other
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: historians and modern boffins have going back and done some research.
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  Speaker 4: Les it appears there may have been something of a
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: cover up, a foot or a conspiracy, you know, like
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: this guy maybe was made a fall guy. They point
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: out that it would have been incredibly difficult for him
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  Speaker 4: to access the framing of the roof that would have
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: caused the structural issues that we're talking about here, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: they suggest the possibility that it was actually the temple
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: administrators who were asleep at their post, and instead of
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: fessing up to what they had done or what they
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: hadn't done their negligence, they decided to hang it on
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: this poor fellow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the temple at might have done it something like
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: insurance fraud. They may have secretly started the fire because
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: they didn't even think about that temple add structural issues anyway, Yeah,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: fast forward, Well, they.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Also got his confession through you know, like enhanced interrogation.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Let's see right right, Yeah, we do know the plucky
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Ephesians can't be kept down, so they build this thing
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  Speaker 5: again on the same site we set.
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  Speaker 2: The fire occurred in three fifty six BCE. Remember we
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: count down when we're counting BCE, So just a little
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: bit later, in three point fifty five BCE. The next
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: year they begin construction on the third temple. It takes
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a while, and it's done by three thirty BCE. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: this one, believe it or not, folks, just like the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: story of the Houses of the Three Little Piggies, this
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: is the brick one. This is way better, way cooler,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: way more ostentatious than both of the other two temples.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: And way more columns.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Way, bitch, do want columns? Clearly?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: We do.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Clearly.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Columns is what the people want. One hundred and twenty
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: seven to be precise. Uh, And as you can imagine,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: we've got one final whoopsie here in the form of
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: the Goths who came along in two sixty seven c
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: You love the Goths, led by Respa Veduc and Thorar
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: this black metal stuff there, I love it. They raided
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: a Fesis and allegedly, like raiders are wont to do,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: set fire to the Temple of Artemis also known as
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: the Temple of Diana.
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  Speaker 2: M right right, depending on how much you respect the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: plagiarism of the Romans. Yeah, so I like Max. I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: like that you popped in just a nod by that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: way it was.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: By this point in time, it had ticked over, and
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: so now it was Roman rules. So they're calling it
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: by a different name, but it was the same dang thing.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And we don't know still how much damage was
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: inflicted on this temple by the Goths who were, as
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you said, just absolutely tearing up the town. But we
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: do believe that this was what we call an inflection
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: point because after that Temple V. Three point zero falls
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: into intense disrepair, becomes what we in Atlanta call a bando.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Remember when that interstate collapsed because there was like piles
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: of a construction material underneath it that supposedly were set
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: on fire by They hung it on again an individual,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: an unhoused drug user person that they claimed was smoking
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: a certain substance that very simplar kind of felt like
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: a fall guy situation. Can I also just say the
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: plagiarism of the Romans got me too, because I believe earlier,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: when we were much earlier in the episode, I credited
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: the Romans with those architectural advancements that they so liberally
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: nicked from the Greeks.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: The Romans, my bad chat, they would have loved it,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: loved it. So look you can. You can find the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: history of Temple v. Three point zero, closing during the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: persecution of Pagans later in the Roman Empire. And if
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you look toward the boffins of the day, like Ammonius
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of Alexandria, you'll see suggestions that the temple may have
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: closed down as early as four to seven Common Era,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: or may have lasted as long as the mid fourth century. Anyway,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it's a long time. It's weird when we get into
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: these kind of numbers because calendars are ridiculous. But after
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the temple closes and polytheistic worship has kind of entered
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: at Sunset era, the city converts to Christianity, and people
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: across the town of Ephesius alter different things, and including
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the temple itself, and they alter it to remove the
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: name Artemis. They're not super concerned about preserving historical works
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: No, if anything, they're more interested in bulldozing over them,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: or at the very least repurposing them in their own image.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And right now we know that you cannot go and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: see any of the three versions of the Temple as
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: they stood in the days of yore. We actually don't
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: know how the final Temple fell, But we do have
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: one important thing we wanted to end on, so very important.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: We can't do a wonder of the ancient world and
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: not talk about SIEV.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: That's right, sid Meier's civilization. The thing everybody is thinking about.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: This counts as one of the wonders of the world
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that you can build in some but not all iterations
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: of the game civilization. So let's go live to our
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: civilization correspondent, mister Max Williams. Max, is it worth building
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: or not?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, it really depends on which t if you're playing. Obviously,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: in I believe SIV is one and two, it's not
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: worth building because you can't build it. It's not in
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: the game. But uh, in a lot of the civilizations
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: it's just like okay, But in CIV six because it
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: has not appeared in the Newest one seven yet and
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: SIV six it is like probably one of the most
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: overpowered wonders in the game, and you can get it
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: very early on.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: So building these gives you like buffs, right is that they.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: And only one civilization can have one. So let's just say,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I'm we're all three of us are in the game,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: and no, you build Temple of Artemis I can't build
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: a Temple of Artemis. What really sucks is I could
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: be like one turn away from finishing the Temple of
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Artemis and they build it. Yeah, it's a real kick
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: in the shin that you missed and went a little higher.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: But you get some of your resources, You get resources back.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: The issue is really whether or not in earlier iterations
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: of CIV pre civilization six, Uh, the Temple of Artemis
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: is mainly meant to be an advantage for trade and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: culture wins.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Right in this one. It's for building like a mega city. Basically,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: it gives you a bunch of housing, a bunch of food,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: and it has this really complex mechanic that we're not
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: going to explain on er because it'll Yeah, it's hard
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: for it's hard for me to understand. Basically, if you
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: have the right setup, it'll turn your country into the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: happiest little country of all time.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: That sounds nice?
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Is I love building it?
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: All?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Right? So we've got the uh, we've got the official
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: rating of this as what you would call a meh
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: wonder correct, Max.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's me before SEF six, it is an
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: a tier I would say as tier if you have
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: a bunch of camps, pastures and plantations around it within
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: four tiles.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And with that, folks, we hope you enjoyed our series,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: our newest installment on Wonders of the Ancient World. We
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: will be back next week. We've got a classic this
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: weekend that we're quite excited about and we can't wait
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: to hang out with you in the future. Big big
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: thanks to super producer and research associate Max Williams. Big
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: thanks to Alex Williams, who composed his this banging track
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: You're hearing and negative thanks to Jonathan Strickland aka the Quister.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: You know, I ran into Jonathan at the office the
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: other day, Yeah, for the first time in ages, and
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I just reminded him that we cursed his name at
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: the end of every episode, followed usually by a task
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: sets out. But also, we really like that guy.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do really like man. He will return in
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the future because every good he wrote needs a nemesis.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Big thanks also to doctor Rachel Big Spinach, Lance aj
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Bahama's Jacob's nickname. We won't explain who else, who else?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Who else?
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Oh well, doctor Venkman, Maddie, I'm adding him to the Thank.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: You, Ben, Thank you, big thanks to Apollo though thanks yeah,
• 31:55
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• 31:56
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