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Credlin | 8 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome, so great to have your company. I'm
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Speaker 2: coming to you live tonight from the Winty Leagues Club
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Speaker 2: in the CDY seat of Paramatta are currently of course
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Speaker 2: held by Labor, but in this campaign home to the
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Speaker 2: coalition headquarters, such as their determination to take the fight
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Speaker 2: up to the Alp in they must win western suburbs.
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Speaker 3: I've got a huge show for.
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Speaker 2: You tonight as we count down to the evening's first
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Speaker 2: big head to head of the campaign, the sky News
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraphs People's Forum that will take place shortly in
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Speaker 2: this very room behind me. Already our audience is starting
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Speaker 2: to fill into the venue with their questions for both
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Speaker 2: leaders and chosen to reflect Australia undecided voters now in
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Speaker 2: a tight campaign like this, Tonight will be fascinating and
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Speaker 2: always with these forums, because you hold the microphone, it's
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Speaker 2: not the journalist and that makes them fairly unpredictable.
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Speaker 3: But before we kick off, I've got to show to
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Speaker 3: bring news. Let's get straight to it.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Credline, more climate manness,
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Speaker 2: on the campaign trail, even the PM now the latest
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Speaker 2: target in his own left leaning seat of Grainbler. Is
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Speaker 2: this the new sad reality for campaigning? And what about
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Speaker 2: the rumors tonight that Daniel Andrews is a key advisor
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Speaker 2: to his old mate Anthony Elwen Easy and I don't think
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Speaker 2: that's going to help him in Victoria. Is it tonight's
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Speaker 2: people's Forum. I'll take you through all the dos and don'ts.
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Speaker 2: I saw the first one about fifteen years ago.
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Speaker 3: Class.
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Speaker 2: What does Peter Dutton needs to do tonight to reset
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Speaker 2: his campaign? Last night been joined by genuine community independent
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Speaker 2: Guy Lee on why Sydney's West could very well decide
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Speaker 2: this election, and another day too of Donald Trump's tariffs
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Speaker 2: looming large over Australia's election, with neither leader ruling out.
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Speaker 4: A recession, can you explicitly rule out a recession?
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Speaker 5: Look, we have as a government continued to see the
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Speaker 5: economy growth.
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Speaker 4: Now the treasure is out there talking about a fifty
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Speaker 4: point production in interest rates, which means obviously that he
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Speaker 4: sees a recession coming for our economy.
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Speaker 2: But first, Tonight's sky Newspeople's Forum. Here in the battleground
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Speaker 2: seat of Paramatta. It's the first head to head clash
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Speaker 2: between the two men who are vying to win our
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Speaker 2: trust at the election. It's the first time we will
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Speaker 2: see them face off with nowhere to hide as they
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Speaker 2: face questions from everyday people who want the government to
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Speaker 2: be focused on them and not the power struggles of Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Now for the campaign underdog Peter Dartin, this is his
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Speaker 2: chance to show voters who he really is, what he
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Speaker 2: stands for, and how it seats like this one seats
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Speaker 2: that will make or break his chances of victory. That
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Speaker 2: he's got more in common with people in this room
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Speaker 2: than modern labor does as it lurches further and further
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Speaker 2: to the left. Now to meet Peter Darton one on one.
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Speaker 2: He's personable and he's real cop as we know, with
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Speaker 2: a down to earth wife, Currilei and three children, two
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Speaker 2: at UNI, one an apprentice. He represents the very people
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Speaker 2: that vote Liberal today, not the top end of town,
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Speaker 2: not the activist, instead of the voter in the outer
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Speaker 2: suburbs or the regional town who works hard in the
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Speaker 2: hope but the hard work pays off and they can
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Speaker 2: inch ahead someone who doesn't believe in big government or
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Speaker 2: Labour's Big Australia. And while they want to look after
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Speaker 2: the environment. They don't want to send out country backwards either.
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Speaker 2: These are the people who must talk to tonight, Not me,
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Speaker 2: not the Canbra Press gallery, but the people who hold
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Speaker 2: his fortunes in their hands and our countries. With the
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Speaker 2: polls neck and neck, this election could still go either way.
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Speaker 2: And while Labour was pretty jubilant yesterday with that slide
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Speaker 2: uptick in News poll, all that's done is take them
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Speaker 2: back to where they were at the last election.
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Speaker 3: And let's not let them rewrite history here.
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Speaker 2: That narrow win in twenty twenty two was the worst
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Speaker 2: prime result that Labour's had since the nineteen forties.
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Speaker 3: Now, what's happening here is it?
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Speaker 2: While voters have decided that Anthony Alberteze doesn't deserve to
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Speaker 2: be re elected because he's weak and he's out of
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Speaker 2: his depth, Peter Dutton has not.
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Speaker 3: Yet sealed the deal.
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Speaker 2: He's not yet shown voters clearly enough how things will
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Speaker 2: be different and better under a coalition government. Now that's
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Speaker 2: just challenged tonight in just over an hour's time. Now,
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Speaker 2: these Sky News People's forums can and they do make
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Speaker 2: a difference to campaigns.
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Speaker 3: Verse one happened.
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Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago at the start of the twenty ten election,
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Speaker 2: and what happened that night cemented this hour of TV
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Speaker 2: as a must watch campaign event. Now I was there
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Speaker 2: at the time in a league's club, not unlike this one,
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Speaker 2: where what happened changed.
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Speaker 3: The course of that election.
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Speaker 2: In twenty ten, only a few weeks after knifeing Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard took to the stage.
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Speaker 3: She set up on.
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Speaker 2: A stool and seems remote from the audience. Contrasts that
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Speaker 2: with Tony Abbott, who spoke after her and ditched the
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Speaker 2: stage to speak directly to the crowd.
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Speaker 6: Seeing what's happened to Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 1: I was just wondering what guarantee you could give if
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Speaker 1: you were elected to remain Prime Minister for the full term.
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Speaker 6: I do have the confidence of my team.
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Speaker 7: What I'd like to do, David is go down to
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Speaker 7: be on the level with people. Sure, why not?
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Speaker 8: Why not?
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Speaker 2: And it was a game changer in the next campaign
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Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. In the most telling moment in that
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Speaker 2: People's Forum was when Tony Abbott interrupted Kevin Rudd's endless
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Speaker 2: waffle just.
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Speaker 6: One final point, very quickly is this I want to
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Speaker 6: shut up.
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Speaker 5: We're having a discussion, mate, we're having a discussion and
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Speaker 5: that is the standard debating technique when the questions to
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Speaker 5: get a bit sharp.
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Speaker 2: The next one election twenty sixteen was a shock of
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Speaker 2: a Malcolm to herbul who managed to lose fourteen seats
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Speaker 2: against first time Opposition leader Bill Shorten, who certainly had
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Speaker 2: his measure, saying banks the criminals.
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Speaker 6: But what I am saying is they going to die?
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm.
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Speaker 7: I bet they just went home and changed their changed
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Speaker 7: their practices after a lecture from you.
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Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, Well that was shortened the time for shocker.
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Speaker 2: He might have got Morrison with this barb, but he
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Speaker 2: later lost the unlosable election, didn't he most of July.
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Speaker 6: Of this year. I'm just wondering if if you look
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Speaker 6: me in the eye until you're going to worry, you're
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Speaker 6: a classic space invader.
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Speaker 2: And while Morrison lost big in twenty twenty two, his
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Speaker 2: comments here on China, well they haven't aged wealth the
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Speaker 2: Prime minister, have they?
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Speaker 10: Why would you take China's side? Well, let's let's get
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Speaker 10: mister Albeneze's view on it. Have you taken China's side
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Speaker 10: on this? And is it true that this would have
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Speaker 10: happened regardless of what government was in office, because the
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Speaker 10: Chinese Communist Party is clearly funneling a lot of funds
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Speaker 10: into countries like the Solobles.
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Speaker 5: That's an outrageous slur from the Prime Minister and it
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be. National security issues shouldn't be the subject of
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Speaker 5: that sort of slur.
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Speaker 2: And let me tell you, having helped prep a leader
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Speaker 2: for tonight, this is not an easy forum. These are
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Speaker 2: real people asking questions, not politicians in the Parliament who
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Speaker 2: can be thrown an insult or a press gallery journalist
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Speaker 2: who can be ignored.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, you've got to engage with the audience.
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Speaker 2: You actually have to answer the questions, and many of
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Speaker 2: them will be on topics that you can't always easily anticipate.
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Speaker 2: That's where both Anthony Alberneesi and Peter Dutton's instincts and empathy.
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Speaker 3: Will be tested. Tone.
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Speaker 2: Tone will be so important tonight. Plus the ability to listen,
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Speaker 2: not look like you're listening, but really listen, not talking
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Speaker 2: over people, not patronizing them either, but taking the time
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Speaker 2: to connect with an authenticity that's hard to manufacture. Body
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Speaker 2: language two will matter. Body language that's real, not forced.
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Speaker 2: Someone who comes across is comfortable in their own skin,
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Speaker 2: not using the sort of forced hand gestures we used
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Speaker 2: to see so often with Kevin Rudd. Tonight too, the
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Speaker 2: facts will matter. There is a cost of leaving crisis
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Speaker 2: in Australia, and don't will argue that as Anthony Albaneze's
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Speaker 2: fault because his government is making it worse. Average mortgage
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Speaker 2: repayments are up twenty thousand dollars a year, and even
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Speaker 2: the RBA is admitting that Labour's spending addictions keeping interest
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Speaker 2: rates higher for longer, Power prices up thirty percent, and
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Speaker 2: Labour's climate policies are to blame as they force more
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Speaker 2: and more renewables into the system. Housing two unaffordable, wages
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Speaker 2: are depressed, and getting around just takes longer because Labour's
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Speaker 2: big Australia's record immigration two of our three biggest exports
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Speaker 2: two are in jeopardy coal and gas because of Labour's
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Speaker 2: fossil fuel phobia. Dutton's challenge is not just to pin
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Speaker 2: people's pain on labor, but also to show how he'll
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Speaker 2: make it better. Labour's challenge is even harder because they
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Speaker 2: can't just blame Dutton tonight. This dream won't cop that
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Speaker 2: becaus they know Dutton hasn't been in power and they
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Speaker 2: won't take kindly to political sledging. They'll want to see
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister stand up and take responsibility for their
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Speaker 2: pain rather than dodge it, and that won't be easy
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Speaker 2: because blaming Dutton is Labour's playbook in this campaign. Here's
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Speaker 2: the PM again at it.
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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: That is just one day.
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Speaker 2: A Prime minister with no record to run and no
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Speaker 2: plan for the future except for more of the same,
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Speaker 2: will use every answer to attack better Dutton. But believe me,
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Speaker 2: spin and blame games were thin and fast in a
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Speaker 2: room like this. In the end, elections are a character
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Speaker 2: test for the politician, and tonight we'll see them are
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Speaker 2: close to unscripted in a way we rarely do. That,
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Speaker 2: as I said, is what makes these Sky News forums
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Speaker 2: as important as they have become in our election news
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Speaker 2: cycle over the past fifteen years. So hold on Australia
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Speaker 2: because tonight we're going to see what will go a
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Speaker 2: long way in framing the next four weeks of this election.
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Speaker 2: The more insufferable climb and protests hit the campaign again today,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister the target in his own seat.
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Speaker 5: Public services, the friends.
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Speaker 6: And I haven't been.
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Speaker 11: I have experienced eco anxiety since I have been fifteen.
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Speaker 11: I am worried that my future will be full of
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Speaker 11: increased floods, fires, famines, and drought. And I know that
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Speaker 11: the number one driver of that is the continued approval
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Speaker 11: of new coal and gas projects.
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Speaker 3: Dreaming I'll to discuss more. They're off the buses here
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Speaker 3: with me in person.
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Speaker 2: Great, I'm seeing a person. Hey, Tredy, you know you've
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Speaker 2: been around campaigns almost as long as I have. Almost
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Speaker 2: every whether it's left or right, almost every appearance by
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Speaker 2: the leaders now accompanied by that sort of rubbish were
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Speaker 2: setting from screaming protesters. Most of what they say we
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Speaker 2: can't even pick up on camera. Is this now a
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Speaker 2: sad feature of our democracy?
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Speaker 6: I think it is.
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Speaker 12: In today's one was a little bit scary for I
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Speaker 12: think a few of us in the media pack. It
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Speaker 12: had been quite a secure venue. There's one entry in
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Speaker 12: it looked like it had been basically ringed off. That
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Speaker 12: has been the theme of the last seven days I've
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Speaker 12: been off and all of a sudden, this young woman
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Speaker 12: is able to get pretty close to the Prime Minister
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Speaker 12: start screaming before she gets hauled out. Even a few
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Speaker 12: Labour staff as actually the ones who helped get her
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Speaker 12: out of the room. It's a sad thing for our politics,
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Speaker 12: I think, Peter, because in the past what I've enjoyed
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Speaker 12: so much on the campaign is those unscripted interactions with voters.
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Speaker 12: No street walks so far, nothing that's been anything but
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Speaker 12: contained really in tiny rooms in order so though it
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Speaker 12: can be secure. I think that's a shame for a
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Speaker 12: democracy that we don't see unscripted moments.
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Speaker 2: And I think particularly that favors the incumbent because the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister or any prime minister doesn't want voters to
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Speaker 2: switch on. They want them just to get the default
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Speaker 2: tick in the box. I think that's why he's very
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Speaker 2: happy to have this campaign over Easter, over anzag Day
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Speaker 2: and quarantining him from real people, because you know, he's
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Speaker 2: run the country. If they're cranky, they're rightly cranky at him.
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Speaker 2: That's good for the Prime minister.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but the same on the Dunton side.
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Speaker 12: You probably know more than me, Camp, but the security
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Speaker 12: has been bolsted from that first day when we saw
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Speaker 12: how close that protester was able to get to mister Dutton,
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Speaker 12: not once, but twice in.
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Speaker 13: That brewery shouldered shoulder for a couple of minutes. And look,
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Speaker 13: security is already tied around these events, is no patter.
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Speaker 13: These are watertight events, carefully stage manage. But it's not
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Speaker 13: been once or twice now on both sides to multiple
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Speaker 13: events speeches by senior ministers. There's a trend in. I mean, clearly,
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Speaker 13: whoever this group are, they've got some level of organization
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Speaker 13: because we don't know where we're going half the time,
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Speaker 13: and somehow they get a heads up before us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and hear our spies on the campaign and the
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Speaker 2: way that no one else is. I always like to
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Speaker 2: talk to the bus journeys to get a move from
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Speaker 2: inside the warship. We're going to look into a news
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Speaker 2: package at a moment to see what happened today. But
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Speaker 2: give me a sense of the mood on the dut account, Puss.
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Speaker 13: A few heads have been dropping, Peter. I think that's
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Speaker 13: a fair assessment. They feel like the momentum is not
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Speaker 13: necessarily on their side at the moment, and look, it's
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Speaker 13: still early days. That is why events like tonight are
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Speaker 13: so critical. There's been some observation that perhaps some of
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Speaker 13: these policies needed a little bit more time in the oven,
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Speaker 13: just for people to digest something like the gas policy,
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Speaker 13: for example. They can understand it once it's sort of
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Speaker 13: been played out and had a bit of time to
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Speaker 13: think about it.
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Speaker 6: But maybe that's one avenue. But look, there's two time.
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Speaker 13: They feel like even some of the news poles that
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Speaker 13: we've seen, they're still within the marge nevera. But there's
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Speaker 13: a sense now that even if okay, after the change
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Speaker 13: of tack on something like work from home, is this
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Speaker 13: where it bottoms out? For lack of a better word,
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Speaker 13: is this as bad as it gets? And can we
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Speaker 13: now start to kick a few goals after having some
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Speaker 13: kicked against us? I think that's about where the mood sits.
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Speaker 13: It's not over by any stretch, but they're going to
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Speaker 13: need to bank some wins. And this night is seen
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Speaker 13: by some as the real chance for Peter Dutton to
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Speaker 13: grab that bull by the horns and start to really
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Speaker 13: spearhead some wins for them.
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Speaker 3: And I argue it's not so much policy that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: From it's the communications of the policy. Because Chris Min's
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Speaker 2: it true you today he basically backed in worked for
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Speaker 2: home for New South Wales public servants, so backed in
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Speaker 2: return to work. He doesn't want work from home. This
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Speaker 2: is a labor premier in New South Wales. It's caused
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Speaker 2: huge ructions for the limbs federally, but it's working for
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Speaker 2: labor in New South Wales so.
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Speaker 12: Much so that yesterday that's basically what the Prime Minister
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Speaker 12: focused on solely. We're at a railway station, he's talking
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Speaker 12: about work from home. We then go to a person's
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Speaker 12: home who just had to enjoy flexibility of work from home.
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Speaker 12: Don't forget they're not actually camp for public servants, so
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Speaker 12: they weren't affected. But you could show how clearly the
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Speaker 12: toxic this policy was that Dutton felt the need to
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Speaker 12: be able to have to go out and apologize.
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Speaker 6: I haven't seen him really do that in a lot
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Speaker 6: of things.
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Speaker 12: He never takes a backward step, but on this clearly
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Speaker 12: it had to cauterize the wound. Even though they think
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Speaker 12: it's unfair, they believe it was a scare campaign where
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Speaker 12: the fairness doesn't really wash out that much in politics,
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Speaker 12: does it.
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Speaker 6: It's brutal reality.
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Speaker 2: And you wouldn't want to find that the Labor camp
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Speaker 2: with just two weeks in is jubulence, you know, cocky,
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Speaker 2: because they're only back to where they were at the
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Speaker 2: last election, and at the last election was their worst
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Speaker 2: primary vote since the nineteen forties.
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Speaker 3: How's their mood?
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Speaker 12: Pretty confident, I'd have to say Anthony Albernezi. He seems
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Speaker 12: up and about in this first week. It doesn't seem
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Speaker 12: put on. He genuinely believes. I think that he has
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton's measure here. He was asked about the debate
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Speaker 12: format a couple of days ago whether he was comfortable
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Speaker 12: speaking to everyday voters in this format as opposed to
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Speaker 12: the traditional TV style debates. He seemed to think that
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Speaker 12: he could beat Peter Dutton in any style debate, that
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Speaker 12: he's had more practice that as Prime minister. The nature
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Speaker 12: of the job is you stand up and take questions
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Speaker 12: all the time. So he thinks I think that he
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Speaker 12: can romp it in tonight against Peter Dutton. I think
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Speaker 12: what's that line between confident and cocky. I think they
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Speaker 12: need to be careful on that front, Labor.
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Speaker 2: I guess the difference is tonight, it's not the Camber
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Speaker 2: gallery he's talking to, not his favorite few, But I
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Speaker 2: don't think cambrill Gary not.
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Speaker 3: My good friends.
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Speaker 2: My good friends to be an exception here, But usually
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Speaker 2: it intends to steer to the left side of politics.
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Speaker 2: Tonight it's a crapshot. I mean, god knows who's in
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Speaker 2: that room. The questions could come from anywhere, and they
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Speaker 2: could be people that are personally affected by decisions that
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Speaker 2: government's made. Hard to sort of side step responsibility for
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Speaker 2: some of this stuff.
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Speaker 13: So this will be a test for the peer, unpredictable,
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Speaker 13: difficult to prepare for. And I think what nights like
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Speaker 13: this are really good for, too, Peter, is this is
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Speaker 13: where we get a real sense of the issues that
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Speaker 13: are really cutting through for people I think work from home.
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Speaker 13: Particularly the time that I spent on the Dutton bus.
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Speaker 13: There might not have been such an awareness of just
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Speaker 13: how toxic that policy was until it became so obvious
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Speaker 13: that they needed to backtrack, and there was a lot
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Speaker 13: of focus on other things. Absolutely the cost of living,
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Speaker 13: in power bills, these things are very much issues that
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Speaker 13: was one. There might not have been so much awareness
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Speaker 13: until those door knocks were taking place and they realized
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Speaker 13: that this is something that people have really tuned into.
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Speaker 13: So I'm as fascinated to say as much as what
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Speaker 13: the leader's answers are, what the questions are from the
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Speaker 13: viewers tonight, because we don't know what they are.
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Speaker 6: The leaders don't know what they are.
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Speaker 13: So it's a real life litmus test on what voters
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Speaker 13: are looking for out of their leaders.
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Speaker 3: Not your first radio tonight, what do you look for?
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Speaker 12: Well, it's always to me that big takeaway moment. I
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Speaker 12: think something that stood out to me so far is
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Speaker 12: lots of people don't want to engage in politics. We
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Speaker 12: stop a lot of people in the mornings to try
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Speaker 12: and get them to talk on camera. What's your view
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Speaker 12: on al the elbow versus Dunton? I would say ninety percent.
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Speaker 12: I couldn't show you because they will not stop. They
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Speaker 12: don't want to talk. They don't wan to talk about politics. Really,
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Speaker 12: the cut through is what's that big line? You know
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Speaker 12: what cut through? The other day Peter Dutton hitting the
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Speaker 12: cameraman in the face. Lots of people I know that
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Speaker 12: don't care about politics wanted to know about that moment.
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Speaker 12: I think what is the cut through space was a
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Speaker 12: huge one that stands in my mind, but I'd forgotten
18:02
Speaker 12: some of those others the Abbott coming off.
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Speaker 6: The stage was a huge thing. The visual of that, Yeah, yeah,
18:07
Speaker 6: what's that going to be tonight?
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Speaker 12: It's hard for either side and if you're two prepared
18:10
Speaker 12: in what you're going to say, that shortened moment was
18:12
Speaker 12: very calculated. He knew what he was going to say
18:14
Speaker 12: was using that. What's the strategy tonight? Are they trying
18:17
Speaker 12: to make Peter Dutton be nasty and the obmues he
18:19
Speaker 12: likes to use that line. Does mister Dunton want to
18:21
Speaker 12: say the line you're a liar? Let's see what they
18:23
Speaker 12: go with tonight.
18:24
Speaker 2: And what about falls from the Prime Minister or fall?
18:26
Speaker 2: Sea doesn't admit to camp we.
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Speaker 6: Wouldn't leg down.
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Speaker 13: We're discussing before how much of your body has to
18:32
Speaker 13: hit the ground before it constitutes a fall?
18:34
Speaker 14: Is it like your.
18:35
Speaker 13: Knees at Talbot? Look, these are the moments that people remember, Peter.
18:38
Speaker 13: I mean sometimes they don't know what policies are on
18:40
Speaker 13: the table, maybe even when they walk into the booth,
18:43
Speaker 13: but they'll know whether or not they saw a fall
18:45
Speaker 13: or whether a poor camo got scorned with a football.
18:48
Speaker 13: Those are the things that for as much as we
18:50
Speaker 13: love the policy, Peter, they're the things people remember.
18:52
Speaker 2: I agree, well, enjoy You've got four weeks to go
18:54
Speaker 2: still on the road.
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Speaker 14: Bring it on.
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Speaker 3: I hope I catch up with you are getting a
18:57
Speaker 3: person looking forward to it. Thanks very much.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to show you now what happened on the
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Speaker 2: ground in the two campaigns. So that's going out to
19:04
Speaker 2: Julia Bradley who file is report.
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Speaker 15: The Prime Minister is promising Australia is prepared for economic upheaval.
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Speaker 4: Can you explicitly rule out a recession?
19:15
Speaker 5: Look, we have as a government continued to see the
19:22
Speaker 5: economy growth.
19:23
Speaker 4: Now the treasure is out there talking about a fifty
19:25
Speaker 4: point reduction in interest rates, which means obviously that he
19:28
Speaker 4: sees a recession coming for our economy.
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Speaker 15: The Treasurer has used the uncertainty to raise the prospect
19:34
Speaker 15: of further rate cuts this year.
19:37
Speaker 9: Markets are now expecting around four intrast rate cuts in
19:42
Speaker 9: Australia this calendar year. There's even a more than even
19:47
Speaker 9: money expectation in the markets.
19:49
Speaker 15: The taroff turmoil risks overshadowing Labour's campaign message. The Prime
19:54
Speaker 15: Minister pledging one billion dollars to boost free walk in
19:58
Speaker 15: mental health services across the country, while in his electorate
20:02
Speaker 15: of grainlerw cost of living and cheaper petrol the focus
20:06
Speaker 15: for Peter Dutton, who spent the day in the marginal
20:09
Speaker 15: labor held seat of WERROWA.
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Speaker 14: Well, we're trying to reduce the aproprice to do that,
20:15
Speaker 14: very we're good to cut the.
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Speaker 16: Tax in half.
20:17
Speaker 15: So of course, correcting after ditching a centerpiece coalition policy
20:24
Speaker 15: now allowing public servants in Canberra to work from home,
20:28
Speaker 15: walking back threats to sack forty one thousand public sector staff.
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Speaker 4: I must be aging's working any.
20:38
Speaker 15: Julia Bradley Sky News in the seat of Wherrerower.
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Speaker 2: All right, you can see already, can't It's going to
20:46
Speaker 2: be a big night for the election campaign. Joining me now,
20:48
Speaker 2: of course we've got the A team, have political editor
20:50
Speaker 2: Angel Clin now, great to have you.
20:51
Speaker 3: In person as well.
20:52
Speaker 2: Yes, hey, we've talked about these forums and how they
20:56
Speaker 2: can really set the tone not just for a couple
20:59
Speaker 2: of weeks of a camp, but for an entire campaign.
21:02
Speaker 2: You've got Peter Dutton tonight wanting to use this as
21:04
Speaker 2: a reset moment to show his sort of humanity with
21:07
Speaker 2: an audience, and the Prime Minister too. I mean, here's
21:10
Speaker 2: in a exed position he's governed the country. People in
21:14
Speaker 2: this period of time are doing it pretty tough. I
21:17
Speaker 2: think people will want to see him take a little
21:19
Speaker 2: bit of responsibility for where things are at.
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Speaker 7: I don't think you'll be doing that. And I think
21:23
Speaker 7: if he does that, he admits fault and he's way behind.
21:27
Speaker 7: So he has to find a way to empathize, but
21:30
Speaker 7: not a mid fault and that is very difficult for him. Well,
21:32
Speaker 7: this is those examples she showed. Peter pretty much uniformly
21:37
Speaker 7: the opposition leader won this for him and after the
21:40
Speaker 7: cost of living crisis we've had I expect that to
21:43
Speaker 7: be happening tonight. The pressures on Peter Dutton to make
21:47
Speaker 7: this a reset. He should win this. Remember Anthony Albanez,
21:50
Speaker 7: he had a massive slip at the start of the
21:52
Speaker 7: last campaign. Labour strategist said when he could name the
21:55
Speaker 7: unemployment rate to me that after the election that was
21:57
Speaker 7: worth two percent. Well, I reckon this Donald Trump's situation
22:02
Speaker 7: and the work from home policy of cost Peter Dutton
22:04
Speaker 7: two percent. Now Alberanzi was able to have a good
22:07
Speaker 7: performance in the forum. He then had COVID and was
22:10
Speaker 7: off for a week. But Peter Dutton has a good
22:13
Speaker 7: performance tonight. He can turn things around. He needs to
22:16
Speaker 7: get the subject off work from home, off Trump, give
22:20
Speaker 7: answers to them, but kick them out of the way,
22:23
Speaker 7: get in on Labour's record. But most importantly of all,
22:26
Speaker 7: because we've seen him bag Labor for three years, show
22:29
Speaker 7: us that he's a viable alternative prime minister. That's the
22:33
Speaker 7: test tonight. But I still think it's advantage Dutton as
22:36
Speaker 7: we go into this, because of the last three years
22:39
Speaker 7: and because he's the opposition leader. And frankly, when I'm
22:43
Speaker 7: watching tonight, I've already heard the lines from ALBERANIZI I
22:46
Speaker 7: could rehearse them for you. We started inflation with a six,
22:48
Speaker 7: it went to a two, etc.
22:49
Speaker 14: Etc.
22:50
Speaker 7: Peter Dutton and I I think he'll come with something different.
22:53
Speaker 7: And I'm intrigued to see how Dutton performs tonight.
22:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going through my mind. I don't think we're
22:58
Speaker 2: in opposition in twenty ten. But I don't think that
23:00
Speaker 2: Tony Avintt beat Julia Gillard in the People's forums. It
23:04
Speaker 2: certainly did his opposition leader against Kevin Rudd, But I
23:07
Speaker 2: mean Labor we're a carcass by then, so it's.
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Speaker 3: A little bit different.
23:12
Speaker 2: How do you think in a personal sense, both of
23:15
Speaker 2: these men are going to connect with a room full
23:17
Speaker 2: of people from Western Sydney.
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Speaker 7: Well, now that you say that it's about a dollar
23:23
Speaker 7: one that Anthony Albanese is going to mention growing up
23:25
Speaker 7: in housing Commission, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely?
23:27
Speaker 7: And Peter Dutton's going to mention you know, I started
23:30
Speaker 7: as a cop, I started my own business, et cetera, etc.
23:33
Speaker 7: So that's the way to do it. Bring their personal stories.
23:37
Speaker 7: We've heard them a hundred times, but the audience hasn't
23:39
Speaker 7: that's for sure, including the television audience. I think obviously
23:43
Speaker 7: again people have heard alberaness before. This is where Dutton
23:47
Speaker 7: has an advantage. He has an advantage to come out
23:49
Speaker 7: there perform well. He's got to find that balance between
23:54
Speaker 7: connecting with the audience and the television audience and still
23:58
Speaker 7: attacking Anthony Albanesi. But he's got an opportunity to really
24:03
Speaker 7: introduce himself to the Australian people. A lot of people
24:06
Speaker 7: just would not know a lot about it.
24:08
Speaker 2: What's a pretty hard I think here with this audience
24:10
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to blame Peter Dutton when he's been
24:14
Speaker 2: the PM for three years and Dutton's been in opposition.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look, Albanese's strategy here is to say
24:20
Speaker 7: we've got a choice. They've had this work at home policy,
24:23
Speaker 7: they had to dump it. He's going to use terms
24:26
Speaker 7: like Americanization of the health system. Well, we know that's
24:29
Speaker 7: a bit dishonest, right because essentially Peter Dutton is not
24:32
Speaker 7: promising to americanize the health system. But he saw in
24:35
Speaker 7: the rally on Sunday that Alberanzi held that he and
24:38
Speaker 7: the Treasurer kept giving these Trump's type examples. They kept
24:43
Speaker 7: using terms like Americanization of the health system, in the
24:47
Speaker 7: Americanization of wages, et cetera, et cetera. So I expect
24:51
Speaker 7: that from Alberizi at the start. Now what Dutton needs
24:53
Speaker 7: to do is call that out immediately and say and
24:56
Speaker 7: actually he should bag Donald Trump. That would be a
25:00
Speaker 7: good Trump card, so to speak for him tonight, I
25:03
Speaker 7: think he needs to take a couple of risks, including
25:07
Speaker 7: with his base. That's one of them, because he believes
25:10
Speaker 7: that Anthony Alberaneese has been quite dishonest in this campaign
25:13
Speaker 7: and he needs to take that on.
25:16
Speaker 3: What about these reports today?
25:17
Speaker 2: Not only has he got a banned former lobbyist in
25:21
Speaker 2: his inner sanctum.
25:22
Speaker 3: This is the prime Minister.
25:23
Speaker 2: But he's also got his old mate Daniel Andrews as
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Speaker 2: one of his key strategists.
25:28
Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Well, I know for a fact that he hasn't been
25:31
Speaker 7: preparing with him in the direct lead up. But last
25:34
Speaker 7: Wednesday they had a meeting in which the debate was discussed.
25:38
Speaker 7: And Andrews, who was a former staffer with him I
25:40
Speaker 7: think in Campbell or new in the house from that time.
25:44
Speaker 7: Perhaps Albanezi was an MP. He was the stuff.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
25:46
Speaker 7: They've known each other for years where he helped him prepare.
25:49
Speaker 7: Obviously Andrews has been in a lot of these people's
25:52
Speaker 7: forum situations. But when Peter Dutt' stron to win votes
25:56
Speaker 7: in Victoria that it wasn't very welcome that that became public.
25:59
Speaker 14: I think.
26:00
Speaker 7: So it hasn't been a long standing thing. It was
26:02
Speaker 7: a meeting last week. Since then, aw Benez, he's been
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Speaker 7: rehearsing with his staff as his understand.
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Speaker 2: I got to tip up from a labor contact of
26:08
Speaker 2: mine about it three or four weeks ago to say
26:10
Speaker 2: there was some talk that Andrews would join him on
26:13
Speaker 2: the plane.
26:15
Speaker 3: But that wow.
26:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, the strategist thought that was a bridge too far.
26:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, I could never see that that happening. And Mark
26:22
Speaker 7: Butler's joined him, who's a close our life from the left.
26:25
Speaker 7: One of the intriguing things. I don't know. I've been
26:27
Speaker 7: on the Dutton plane, but the media plane is separate.
26:29
Speaker 7: I don't know if he has an MP with him.
26:31
Speaker 7: Someone said, James McGrath. I feel like James Patterson, who's
26:35
Speaker 7: sitting behind us, is the most trusted colleague of Peter
26:38
Speaker 7: Dutton's and he would have been the perfect sort of
26:40
Speaker 7: consigli air on the plane with Dutton. But instead he's
26:44
Speaker 7: the campaign spokesman. So I wonder if he would have
26:46
Speaker 7: been better off too. So yeah, yeah, it's tough. I mean,
26:49
Speaker 7: he's valuable in both roles, but that could have been
26:51
Speaker 7: a play he could have made, because I think he
26:53
Speaker 7: needs that assurance of an MP, really trusts a front
26:57
Speaker 7: bencher behind him at the moment.
26:58
Speaker 2: And look, I've been on campaigns obviously where you've had
27:01
Speaker 2: a colleague on the plane, and the purpose of that,
27:03
Speaker 2: so people at home can follow, is that you can
27:05
Speaker 2: get a message colleague from colleague, not passing it through
27:08
Speaker 2: staff as if they can't get to the lad Sometimes
27:10
Speaker 2: they want to sort of blow someone's wig off and
27:12
Speaker 2: you do that from one MP to another. Hey, just
27:15
Speaker 2: quickly all this talk around today two part talk. One
27:19
Speaker 2: that Penny Wong's in the retirement lounge, and then when
27:22
Speaker 2: asked about this, the Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles would
27:26
Speaker 2: not rule out putting his hand up for her Portfoligo,
27:29
Speaker 2: making it clear then that he doesn't want defense. At
27:32
Speaker 2: the same time that they were saying these are uncertain times.
27:37
Speaker 7: I believe Penny Wong will be in the Parliament as
27:39
Speaker 7: long as Anthony Albaneze is in the parliament. So make
27:42
Speaker 7: of that what you will. When people talk about perhaps
27:45
Speaker 7: leaving in a year Peter.
27:47
Speaker 2: And what about climate two hundred and all these campaigners
27:50
Speaker 2: they've got from the left of the Greens and from Labor.
27:53
Speaker 2: This is a wolf in sheep's clothing, this stuff coming out.
27:57
Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 7: One of the candidates, Nicolette Bowl is some trouble in Bradfield,
28:01
Speaker 7: used to be a spokesperson for the Australian Conservation Foundation.
28:04
Speaker 7: So I think, you know, there are occasions when they're
28:08
Speaker 7: painting themselves as moderate liberals, but there are people in
28:12
Speaker 7: that movement who are more from the labor green side
28:15
Speaker 7: of things. There are probably a few genuine people who
28:18
Speaker 7: came from that moderate faction, but there's certainly instances of
28:22
Speaker 7: them coming from the left side of politics, and I'm
28:24
Speaker 7: not sure all the voters in those seats are aware
28:26
Speaker 7: of how many connections there are.
28:28
Speaker 2: All Right, I know you want to settle in and
28:30
Speaker 2: watch every body of to day, the show that's about
28:32
Speaker 2: to underfold.
28:32
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me, Andrew Clenell.
28:35
Speaker 2: All right, after very quick break, someone who style a
28:37
Speaker 2: safe labor seat from under their nose, she joins me,
28:39
Speaker 2: How did she do it? And are they still angry
28:42
Speaker 2: at labor? Plus we'll check into the Liberal Party campaign
28:45
Speaker 2: HQ and see how they're feeling about tonight's think tests
28:48
Speaker 2: for Peter Dutton with their spokesman James Patterson.
28:56
Speaker 3: Welcome back. I want to come back to this.
28:57
Speaker 2: Why are black listed ex lobbyists in side the albaneting campaign?
29:01
Speaker 2: And Daniel Andrews two or on that in a moment,
29:05
Speaker 2: But first I'll be joined shortly by independent MP Diale,
29:08
Speaker 2: a genuine fair income community independent I like the others,
29:11
Speaker 2: who's fighting to retain her seat of Fowler in Sydney's Southwest.
29:15
Speaker 2: Now to help you get a sense of her seat
29:17
Speaker 2: at home with sen Senior reporter Carolyn Marcus out to
29:20
Speaker 2: the electorate to file this report.
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Speaker 16: Dilee doesn't hold back when describing her main threat Labour's
29:28
Speaker 16: to Lee.
29:29
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I think Labor was tokenistic in its decision to
29:33
Speaker 8: preselect somebody with a similar name to me, and that's all.
29:37
Speaker 3: That she has.
29:38
Speaker 16: The Independent holds the Southwest Sydney seat of Fowler on
29:42
Speaker 16: a margin of just one point four percent. She'd snatched
29:46
Speaker 16: the once ultra safe Labor seat at the last election
29:50
Speaker 16: after the party decided to parachute in former Senator Christina
29:55
Speaker 16: Kannely pre selecting her instead of to Lee.
29:59
Speaker 8: This they have put in a candidate targeting one specific
30:04
Speaker 8: ethnicity group, thinking that's the only ethnic group that they
30:07
Speaker 8: need to appeal to.
30:10
Speaker 16: A former child refugee, Die was proud to become the
30:14
Speaker 16: first Vietnamese Australian federal MP.
30:18
Speaker 8: But I got elected not because of my Vietnamese heritage.
30:21
Speaker 8: I got elected because I am a local member who
30:24
Speaker 8: understand this community.
30:26
Speaker 17: I think that's very disappointing and they think we need
30:29
Speaker 17: to give voters more credit than that. I think they
30:31
Speaker 17: can distinguish between two very different people.
30:34
Speaker 16: Two says as part of a major party, she has
30:38
Speaker 16: more to offer voters.
30:39
Speaker 17: People do want a strong voice. They want someone who
30:42
Speaker 17: can actually deliver and someone who is a strong voice
30:45
Speaker 17: in government.
30:46
Speaker 16: The former lawyer and labor staffer is also a second
30:49
Speaker 16: time mum to newborn Matilda. Two reveals her waters broke
30:54
Speaker 16: and she went into actual labor. While campaigning at this
30:58
Speaker 16: local train station.
31:00
Speaker 17: People are definitely seeing how hard I'm working and that
31:03
Speaker 17: I'm out in the community whilst i was pregnant, but
31:06
Speaker 17: also as soon as I've given that.
31:08
Speaker 16: Fowler has the highest density of Vietnamese Australians in the country.
31:13
Speaker 16: Sixteen percent of people here have Vietnamese ancestry, another eleven
31:19
Speaker 16: percent Chinese. Their top concern is the same as the
31:23
Speaker 16: rest of the countries.
31:25
Speaker 14: Cost of living has gone up.
31:26
Speaker 1: Cost of living important because like the Brian changing every year.
31:32
Speaker 5: Areament because everything extension is hard to buy ya a house,
31:37
Speaker 5: waka or venture.
31:39
Speaker 16: Both candidates are campaigning hard on easing financial pressures. How
31:45
Speaker 16: am I Marcus Sky New Sydney.
31:49
Speaker 2: Don't mean how to Sydney? Here is Dali Di? Great
31:52
Speaker 2: to have you in the program, Thanks sir, I have
31:54
Speaker 2: to say you were one of the first MPs I
31:56
Speaker 2: saw really early on talking about cost of lily, talking
32:01
Speaker 2: about just you know, like down to groceries, filling up
32:04
Speaker 2: the car. We've talked a lot about power bills, but
32:06
Speaker 2: the really practical household level difficulties people are going through.
32:12
Speaker 3: It's real for you. How do issues like say work
32:15
Speaker 3: from home back to for your seat.
32:16
Speaker 8: Look, I was the first in Parliament to ask a
32:19
Speaker 8: question around a fuel excise tax cut, put it to
32:23
Speaker 8: the Prime Minister, to the Treasurer because at the time
32:26
Speaker 8: we were getting a lot of excise tax from fuel
32:30
Speaker 8: and I said, what were they going to do about
32:31
Speaker 8: it to assist with the cost of living? That was
32:33
Speaker 8: my first question I remember in parliament nerve wrecking it was.
32:37
Speaker 8: And so for my community at the moment, cost of living,
32:40
Speaker 8: such as energy bills for a business has gone from
32:44
Speaker 8: September twenty twenty four, you know, from sorry earlier, from
32:50
Speaker 8: about four thousand dollars to about nine twelve thousand dollars
32:53
Speaker 8: in energy bills. So that's a lot for a small
32:55
Speaker 8: business on a monthly bill. Insurance gone up, a grocery
32:59
Speaker 8: price of gonde. So people are talking about practical things,
33:04
Speaker 8: things that are impacting them on a day to day basis.
33:07
Speaker 3: The work from home.
33:08
Speaker 8: The majority of our people actually work in factories, retail workers,
33:13
Speaker 8: their nurses, their truck drivers. They are the engine, I
33:18
Speaker 8: believe of New South Wales. They are the economic engine
33:21
Speaker 8: of New South Laws. They don't have the luxury to
33:23
Speaker 8: work from home.
33:24
Speaker 3: Now.
33:25
Speaker 2: Work from home is a middle class job where you
33:28
Speaker 2: can work from your kitchen with a laptop, and I'm
33:30
Speaker 2: not being disparaging about it, but it doesn't apply to
33:33
Speaker 2: most jobs in parts of Western Sydney. If they are hurting,
33:38
Speaker 2: are they blaming labor and the Prime Minister for their pain?
33:42
Speaker 8: Look in my door knocking that I have done over
33:44
Speaker 8: the last twelve to eighteen months, a lot of people
33:47
Speaker 8: have obviously very frustrated that labor have not delivered for them.
33:52
Speaker 8: In terms of interest, rates have gone up thirteen times
33:56
Speaker 8: and of course we've had the reduction of one, but
33:58
Speaker 8: they're still that twelk rice, So people with mortgages are
34:02
Speaker 8: still feeling that pain.
34:04
Speaker 6: And gas.
34:06
Speaker 8: A lot of our small businesses use gas as a
34:09
Speaker 8: means to obviously provide services, restaurants and all that stuff.
34:13
Speaker 8: Insurance have gone up, so people are still saying what
34:17
Speaker 8: is the government doing for us. So they acknowledge the
34:20
Speaker 8: government has provided some small form of relief through the
34:23
Speaker 8: energy rebate, but they know it's just a very.
34:25
Speaker 6: Short term and one off.
34:27
Speaker 8: It's not a long term solution to the pains that
34:30
Speaker 8: our community are currently feeling. Moms and dads, people driving cars,
34:35
Speaker 8: people owning three to four cars, having to take their
34:37
Speaker 8: kids to school, dropping their parents off to see a doctor,
34:41
Speaker 8: driving long businesses to work and paying tolls along the
34:45
Speaker 8: way on top of paying expensive fuel. So there are
34:48
Speaker 8: many things that I think Western Sydney, and in particular
34:51
Speaker 8: people in foul And families are experiencing that many in
34:55
Speaker 8: other places, in the other electorates are not feeling, and
34:59
Speaker 8: they might be able to afford the rise in insurance
35:02
Speaker 8: in energy bills in other electorates, but in our community
35:06
Speaker 8: is often choosing between heating up especially winter around the corner,
35:11
Speaker 8: or feeding your family and putting food on the table,
35:13
Speaker 8: going to work and making all of those balancing trying
35:18
Speaker 8: to weigh up what's best for the families. And families
35:20
Speaker 8: are very big in our community in Fouler.
35:23
Speaker 3: And to extended families are the one huge, huge the ghost.
35:28
Speaker 2: Of Christina Kanneally still looms over the seat of Fowler
35:32
Speaker 2: for Labor, and we know it does because when the
35:34
Speaker 2: Prime Minister was out there just the other day, he
35:37
Speaker 2: had to basically apologize for parachuting and Christina CANNELI yes,
35:41
Speaker 2: he said he had nothing.
35:42
Speaker 3: To do with it.
35:43
Speaker 8: Well, it was a captain's it was captain's pick. My
35:46
Speaker 8: understanding was captain's pick. So I know that the Prime
35:50
Speaker 8: Minister it was the decision to have Christina Canneely there.
35:53
Speaker 8: So look, if he acknowledged it was his mistake, that's great.
35:57
Speaker 8: You know, you as as a leader, you would have
35:59
Speaker 8: to often acknowledge if you've made a mistake and own
36:03
Speaker 8: up to that.
36:03
Speaker 3: That's good.
36:03
Speaker 8: If he did acknowledge that, But I know that it
36:06
Speaker 8: was a captain's pick, so he picked that. And now
36:10
Speaker 8: back then he did not want the current candidate he's picked,
36:14
Speaker 8: so she's a second choice. So there's no way we're
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Speaker 8: now expecting to get a second choice that Labor second
36:22
Speaker 8: choice to be our candidates. So I think we need
36:25
Speaker 8: to respect our community and he needs to respect our
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Speaker 8: community better and not take our community for granted, because
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Speaker 8: I think in doing this, in giving us their second choice,
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Speaker 8: Labor second choice once again, they're thinking that we're second
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Speaker 8: class citizens, and I think that our community deserves better
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Speaker 8: than that.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, what about the Greens, how much they're playing
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Speaker 2: into plitics in Powler.
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Speaker 8: Look, they don't play that much into Fowler at all.
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Speaker 8: But I think my warning is that the labor and
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Speaker 8: the Greens are really going to be bad because you know,
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Speaker 8: Greens will preference labor. So that combination of labor and greens,
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Speaker 8: how would that impact economy and our society? And that
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Speaker 8: is something that I think from our community is going
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Speaker 8: to be quite concerning.
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Speaker 3: Good luck in the campaign to Thanks Peter, that's a
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Speaker 3: good time, Thank you, right, quick break?
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Speaker 2: Coming back the good degree and allegraspendo? Why is she
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Speaker 2: running scared? When it comes to the sky and used debate,
37:16
Speaker 2: where's Richard Marles? What's happening with him? Is he about
37:18
Speaker 2: to jump ship? And or on Daniel and Andris? Welcome
37:27
Speaker 2: a back, Kredlin coming to your life from paramounta tonight
37:29
Speaker 2: at the scene of Sky News, people for and the
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Speaker 2: first head to head of the campaign the twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: five now in the background behind me.
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Speaker 3: I think I can get you a shot. But they
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Speaker 3: got the.
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Speaker 2: PM doing a walk through, you know, getting his paces through,
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Speaker 2: working out where he's going to stand and all of
37:44
Speaker 2: that stuff, which is what both sides will do ahead
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Speaker 2: of when we kick off here at seven thirty. Before
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Speaker 2: that lots to get through, I want to get into
37:50
Speaker 2: the news today that banned lobbyist David Nelson's play a
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Speaker 2: key role inside the Albin Easy campaign. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: the guy who was banned as a lobbyist after being
38:00
Speaker 2: courts secretly running Anasajah Palichet's twenty twenty election campaign. Apparently
38:05
Speaker 2: he's part of Albow's inner circle. Not just that, Daniel
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Speaker 2: L Andrews too. We've heard he's been roped in to
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Speaker 2: advise the Prime Minister ahead of tonight's forum and more.
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Speaker 2: Joint I have been now to discuss this Victorian Liberal
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Speaker 2: senator and of course now the spokesman for the campaign
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Speaker 2: headquarters for the coalition, James Patterson. Well, you have moved
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Speaker 2: yourself out here, as has the coalition because you know
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Speaker 2: that seats like this in Western Sydney your pathway back
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Speaker 2: to government.
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Speaker 14: That's exactly right, Peter.
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Speaker 1: It'll be communities like Western Sydney, but also all across
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Speaker 1: our home state of Victoria that'll be absolutely decisive in
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Speaker 1: this election. And I think it's particularly the case of
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Speaker 1: Victoria because they're suffering under not just one very bad
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Speaker 1: labor government, but two very bad labor governments, and that's
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Speaker 1: a terrible combination that's had a terrible consequences to Victorians.
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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of seats out here too, in
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Speaker 1: Western Sydney, and that's the reason why Sky and Daily
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Speaker 1: Telegraph have brought us here tonight as well. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of voters who feel like this government has let
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Speaker 1: them down, whether it's on the cost of living, whether
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Speaker 1: it's on community safety, whether it's on the failure to
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Speaker 1: adequately invest in infrastructure, and they feel that impact of
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Speaker 1: bad governments on their lives.
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Speaker 14: It makes the material difference.
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Speaker 1: They sit in traffic for longer, they can't afford the
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Speaker 1: groceries they used to be able to, They struggle to
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Speaker 1: pay their electricity bill. Elections have real consequences for Australians
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Speaker 1: like that, and it's very important for politicians like us
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Speaker 1: to come and meet them where they are here for
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Speaker 1: them direct tonight and address their concerns.
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Speaker 3: I always just.
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Speaker 2: Speak to Dialegue. She's out this way, as you know,
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Speaker 2: and she said that work from home is just on
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Speaker 2: an issue. Her voters are the engine room in factories
39:33
Speaker 2: and shops and they work outside the home as a
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Speaker 2: campaign strategistic someone close to Peter Dutton, regardless of how
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Speaker 2: the room scores him tonight, what do you want to see?
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Speaker 1: Well, I just want Peter to have the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: connect with the audience here in the room, to answer
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Speaker 1: their questions, to show the agenda that he has to
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Speaker 1: solve the problems in their lives, the positive agenda that
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Speaker 1: he's got, and also to connect the audience at home.
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Speaker 1: I know the Prime Minister will be negative. I know
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister will target Peter Dutton. That's his whole campaign.
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Speaker 1: He's built his campaign around that. But we're not concerned
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Speaker 1: about that. We're focused on Australians and what we can
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Speaker 1: do to make their lives better because we know how
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Speaker 1: much they've suffered over the last three years under this
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Speaker 1: prime minister in his government.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of some things that have gone
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Speaker 2: around today with the teals, the legal spender's pulled out
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Speaker 2: despite saying she would do a forum like this, and
40:21
Speaker 2: you've got Zoey Daniel down in the Melbourn set of
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Speaker 2: Goldstein putting out flyers to say she's basically the best
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Speaker 2: friend that Melbourn Jews.
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Speaker 3: Have ever had.
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Speaker 1: Well in the case of a legeral spender. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is just classic. When it comes to the tiles,
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Speaker 1: they talk about transparency, but they don't live transparency.
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Speaker 14: Transparency is something.
40:36
Speaker 1: That other people should do, but they shouldn't have to do,
40:39
Speaker 1: and we've seen that with Monique Ryan as well. When
40:41
Speaker 1: it comes to O'Daniel, I mean that pamphlet was one
40:44
Speaker 1: of the most patronizing things I have ever seen, completely
40:47
Speaker 1: tone deaf, lecturing the Jewish community about all the things
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Speaker 1: she's done for them, including in completely unrelated areas of
40:54
Speaker 1: public policy that don't go to the core issues that
40:56
Speaker 1: concern Australian Jews. At a moment like this, we're living
40:59
Speaker 1: in the worst Andy Semitism crisis our country's ever seen.
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Speaker 1: Zoe Daniel frankly has failed to represent her Jewish constituents,
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Speaker 1: has failed to stand up for them, has done ridiculous
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Speaker 1: things like signed letters calling for UNRA funding to be returned,
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Speaker 1: even though we knew that there were terrorists employed by
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Speaker 1: UNRA On that terrible day on the seventh of October
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Speaker 1: by presumptuously saying that she speaks on behalf of the
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Speaker 1: Jewish community. No wonder there are so many Jewish volunteers
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Speaker 1: on Tim Wilson's campaign in Goldstein who are so desperate
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Speaker 1: to get rid of Zoe Daniel.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the port of Daoin because when he
41:30
Speaker 2: was opposition leader, Anthony Albaneze, he said I will take
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Speaker 2: it off the Chinese and put it back at Australian hands.
41:37
Speaker 3: When his Prime.
41:37
Speaker 2: Ministerry it gets a report that says don't have to
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Speaker 2: do anything, so he decides not to do anything.
41:42
Speaker 3: He leaves it there.
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Speaker 2: What changed on Friday night and why didn't he do
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Speaker 2: anything over the last time in office?
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Speaker 1: Well, this is a question for Anthony Alberaneesi to explain.
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Speaker 1: He hasn't even attempted to do so, and that many
41:55
Speaker 1: times has been asked questions, both in that terrible ABC
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Speaker 1: radio interview which he in a rushed fashion on Friday
42:01
Speaker 1: night and in his press conference over the weekend where
42:04
Speaker 1: he couldn't answer the most basic questions about this. But
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Speaker 1: he did make one really important admission. He said for
42:10
Speaker 1: him that the Port of Darwin decision was quote unquote
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Speaker 1: a political decision and I think that's all it could be,
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Speaker 1: because when he was trying to appeal to the Chinese government,
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Speaker 1: he was saying the port of Darwin con stain Landbridge
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Speaker 1: Group's hands, there's no need to change anything. And right
42:25
Speaker 1: now before an election, when he hears that the opposition
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Speaker 1: letter is about to make announcement, well he rushes out
42:29
Speaker 1: an announcement of his eye. So I think we can
42:31
Speaker 1: see what this is. It's just politics for Anthony Albinezi.
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Speaker 3: What about he's in a sanctum.
42:35
Speaker 2: You've got this banned lobbyist and now we see the
42:38
Speaker 2: return of the ghost of Daniel Andrews.
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Speaker 1: You can tell a lot about the person by the
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Speaker 1: company they choose to keep. And to invite someone who's
42:45
Speaker 1: been banned as a lobbyist in Queensland into the heart
42:48
Speaker 1: of your campaign says something. And to invite Victoria's worst
42:51
Speaker 1: ever premier and least popular politician Daniel Andrews into your
42:54
Speaker 1: campaign says something else. And the fact that he wouldn't
42:57
Speaker 1: be upfront about that reflects very badly on the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: He was asked by Sky colleague Treey Macintosh at a
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Speaker 1: press conference today about this. He just completely ignored the question.
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Speaker 1: He won't be upfront and honest because I think he
43:08
Speaker 1: knows that Victorians would be horrified by the idea that
43:11
Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews is close to his campaign, close to him
43:14
Speaker 1: providing advice because of.
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Speaker 14: The shocking damage he's done to our state.
43:17
Speaker 3: It's been a rugged couple of days.
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Speaker 2: I know you want to get Australia back on track,
43:21
Speaker 2: but is the campaign for the Libs back on track?
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Speaker 14: I think absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 1: I think you've seen really strong performances from Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: on the campaign trail in the last couple of days.
43:31
Speaker 1: When Australians hear that they're going to be twenty five
43:33
Speaker 1: cents a lead better off and of every time they
43:35
Speaker 1: go to a petrol station under Peter Dutton, they're much
43:37
Speaker 1: more inclined to vote for US. What Australians hear about
43:39
Speaker 1: our plan to drive more gas into the domestic market
43:42
Speaker 1: and drive prices down, they're much much more likely to
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Speaker 1: vote for US. And when they hear that we're going
43:46
Speaker 1: to actually reduce immigration to take pressure off the housing market,
43:49
Speaker 1: it gives them hope again that their children will be
43:51
Speaker 1: able to buy a home in this country. And that's
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Speaker 1: what Peter Dutton really truly believes him. It's what animates him.
43:56
Speaker 1: He wants to make this country strong again. He wants
43:59
Speaker 1: to make get as straight back on track and I
44:00
Speaker 1: think we can do that.
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Speaker 3: I live there.
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Speaker 2: James Patterson, thank you, orright quick breakoff the break the
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Speaker 2: head or the chief editor of the Daily Telegraph, Ben English,
44:13
Speaker 2: welcome back in just over and half an hour and
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Speaker 2: now Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi will face off against Opposition
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Speaker 2: leader Peter Dutton right here, right behind me at the
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Speaker 2: People's Forum in Cindy. It'll be the first debate between
44:25
Speaker 2: the two leaders. And as I showed you at the
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Speaker 2: top of the show, one a false move can derail
44:30
Speaker 2: a whole campaign. It's a joint venture between Sky News
44:33
Speaker 2: and the Daily Telegraphs, so join me now to discuss
44:35
Speaker 2: a little what we might expect. Editor at the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: Ben English, Ben welcome, great to have you here.
44:42
Speaker 3: But we've got some breaking news.
44:43
Speaker 18: Yeah, and it's not great news. Unfortunately. Peter Dutton's father
44:49
Speaker 18: has been rushed to hospital only in the last few minutes.
44:52
Speaker 18: He's had a medical episode and it's a serious one
44:55
Speaker 18: and so you know it's a shocking thing to happen.
44:58
Speaker 18: Just on the eve foryown minutes away from the debate.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely thoughts and prayers with the Dutton family.
45:04
Speaker 3: And do you know if you've spoken to.
45:05
Speaker 18: His father or I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know that,
45:09
Speaker 18: but you know, yeah, as you say, we can just
45:12
Speaker 18: only hope that everything's okay for it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I expect we're going to see a worried son
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Speaker 2: about his father there tonight, but I suspect to a
45:19
Speaker 2: true professional and being able to get on with the
45:22
Speaker 2: job at hand.
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Speaker 3: I went through some of the seismic.
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Speaker 2: Events that these people's forums have thrown up in previous campaigns.
45:29
Speaker 2: They've always generated their own news story. I love them
45:33
Speaker 2: because you can see the humanity in the two leaders,
45:36
Speaker 2: for better or for worse.
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Speaker 3: What's always struck you about them?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, the same thing. But also, you know, you pick
45:42
Speaker 18: up the energy, you pick up the mood.
45:45
Speaker 3: There's more.
45:46
Speaker 18: The things that you don't pick up in a quantitative
45:48
Speaker 18: surveys is the emotion. And sometimes it's visceral inside this room.
45:54
Speaker 18: And when one of the players gets momentum, he gets
45:58
Speaker 18: a site of the the crowd on his side, and
46:01
Speaker 18: then it becomes it can become a complete disaster for
46:04
Speaker 18: his opponent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if there's a staged question, you hope they're not.
46:09
Speaker 2: You know, these people are self declared undecided voters. But
46:12
Speaker 2: when there's spontaneous applause, that's something different.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and look, who knows if that's going to happen tonight.
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Speaker 18: It doesn't feel like that yet. I mean, I don't
46:21
Speaker 18: think there's that either of them are wildly popular at
46:23
Speaker 18: this At this point, I will say though, Look, Dutton
46:26
Speaker 18: was a little bit sharper today. He's starting to refine
46:28
Speaker 18: his message a little bit, and I think that's what's
46:30
Speaker 18: been missing so far.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's a tight contest. Everyone's playing for everything tonight.
46:35
Speaker 2: Do you think we'll see nerves out of the two men,
46:38
Speaker 2: given both of them got fairly humble backgrounds, do you
46:41
Speaker 2: think they're going to connect well with Western Sydney.
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Speaker 18: I think this is more of a home ground advantage
46:46
Speaker 18: for Dunton. He's going to be more comfortable in the
46:50
Speaker 18: mortgage belt where there's a cost of living crisis. There's
46:53
Speaker 18: actual people are really angry here, I can tell you,
46:55
Speaker 18: and so I think he'll feel more comfortable with that.
46:59
Speaker 18: Mind you, Albows been quite confident throughout.
47:01
Speaker 3: The campaign, and we're getting too cocky.
47:04
Speaker 18: Yet he's getting close to it. It's a watch, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: It is.
47:08
Speaker 18: I think he's on the right side of it at
47:10
Speaker 18: the moment, but it's a watch when.
47:12
Speaker 2: We talk about cost of living and we just throw
47:15
Speaker 2: that word around. Now, unpack it a little bit because
47:17
Speaker 2: cost of living. Are they blaming the government for their
47:22
Speaker 2: household stripe?
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Speaker 3: Yet?
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Speaker 18: I think they were. I think the difficulty for the
47:26
Speaker 18: coalition at this point is that the whole you know,
47:30
Speaker 18: first ten days of the campaign has been framed around
47:33
Speaker 18: Duntin's policies rather than you know, the failures of this
47:37
Speaker 18: first three years of the Albanese government. So it's there
47:40
Speaker 18: to be grabbed and there to be framed by Dutton,
47:43
Speaker 18: but he hasn't managed that yet.
47:44
Speaker 3: Just quickly before we go, Donald Trump. Is he going
47:46
Speaker 3: to play into the room tonight?
47:47
Speaker 18: I think so?
47:48
Speaker 14: I think.
47:48
Speaker 18: I think I think the Prime Minister be desperate to
47:51
Speaker 18: introduce that into it. You can see it in all
47:53
Speaker 18: their messaging now, even Chalmers, all of them, that they're
47:56
Speaker 18: talking about Americanization. They're talking about, you know, this sort
47:59
Speaker 18: of whistle stuff about Trump. I think that's why I
48:02
Speaker 18: work from home, that they're going hard on that, and
48:05
Speaker 18: do you think.
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Speaker 3: There are people out there that haven't even realized this
48:07
Speaker 3: an election.
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Speaker 18: On yes, of course.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 18: I mean look, you know, like I said, it's early days.
48:14
Speaker 18: I mean you said it yourself.
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Speaker 14: It's still there to be grabbed.
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Speaker 18: This thing can be won right up until the last day,
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Speaker 18: so it doesn't still got time.
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Speaker 2: Well I'll let you take a seat because it's going
48:22
Speaker 2: to be pretty exciting and being English.
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Speaker 3: Thank you as always, and.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for the work the Daily Telly does giving
48:27
Speaker 2: voice to order as trainians.
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Speaker 18: Thanks Peter.
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Speaker 2: Right, that's it for me, Almost about to go. We'll
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Speaker 2: go to Andrew bott in a moment. Come back though
48:33
Speaker 2: at half past seven.
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Speaker 3: You do not want to miss tonight.
48:36
Speaker 2: It'll be absolutely telling about the next four weeks of
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Speaker 2: this campaign. And as I said, I have been there
48:42
Speaker 2: at the very start. These people's forums matter.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. See tomorrow night. Here's Andrew