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7/3/26: Jobs Disaster, Establishment Dems Bow To Zohran, Israel Journo Killings, Intercept Tipline, Palantir Freakout · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here.
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  Speaker 3: Happy July third day before America Day, July fourth. We
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  Speaker 3: all just got back from the two fifty Fair here
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  Speaker 3: to give you a weekend Friday show. Ryan, you were
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  Speaker 3: actually at the fair, right I did.
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  Speaker 4: I went by. They would not let me bring in
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  Speaker 4: a backpack or my bike, and I was meeting someone
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  Speaker 4: who had another backpack there, so I went in very briefly,
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  Speaker 4: just left the backpack there. They're like, yeah, that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, really, I can just leave.
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  Speaker 2: You can leave it there, but you can't bring it in.
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  Speaker 2: That seems counterintuitive.
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  Speaker 4: The funny thing is is that there were many, many,
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  Speaker 4: many fewer people inside the fair than outside of it,
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, who are you protecting, Like, there's nobody
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  Speaker 4: in here. You couldn't do a mass shooting. There isn't
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  Speaker 4: a mass in there. You can commit a crime, but
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  Speaker 4: there's no mass shooting going on in there.
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  Speaker 3: They just didn't watch it to spark up, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Something must protect the reflecting pull.
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  Speaker 3: At all costs.
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  Speaker 4: There was a there was a band on the stage
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  Speaker 4: and two people sitting in chairs watching them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like a million degrees outside. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't help the situation.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and that's all comical, But yesterday there was this
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  Speaker 4: footage of a massive piece of equipment falling on the
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  Speaker 4: stage right behind the dancers, which is the kind of
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  Speaker 4: thing that kills people when you use kind of non
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  Speaker 4: union labor that isn't following the rules of putting a
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  Speaker 4: stage together, Like that stuff really matters, Like a two
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  Speaker 4: hundred pound piece of equipment on you yeah, right here
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  Speaker 4: from that distance, Oh my god, people like it is
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  Speaker 4: and and normal at a normal event, that thing would
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  Speaker 4: stop and be shut down until they figured out why
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  Speaker 4: that happened. They just kept dancing. Look at that.
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  Speaker 3: Look we would kill that is keep dancing. Wow, wow, incredible. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know there's a lot of festivities in the air,
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  Speaker 3: but like these performers, we also must keep dancing. We've
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  Speaker 3: got we don't know that.
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  Speaker 5: To be clear, though, Griffin, we don't know like the
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  Speaker 5: reflecting pool, that a lib didn't cut that part of.
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  Speaker 3: The st Yeah, there was a gash, a strong gash
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  Speaker 3: were everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys see the lady who was like it
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  Speaker 2: was too hot? I started seeing stars, but I managed
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  Speaker 2: to find the baptism ten take a dip in the pool,
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  Speaker 2: came out. People are having extraordinary experiences of this fair.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Julian is going for dropsled again later today. We'll
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  Speaker 4: have we'll have his package jump sure at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Next week for Julian. He needs hazard pay. It's too
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  Speaker 2: freaking hot out.
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  Speaker 4: There to himself that this is not on us.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 3: All right, well Julian, avoid any head injuries if you can.
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  Speaker 3: But yes, it is fourth of July. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: looking at some job numbers, some barbecue prices for anyone
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  Speaker 3: who is grilling this weekend. We're gonna be looking a
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  Speaker 3: little bit into how one zoron Mam Donnie is becoming
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic Party power broker, giving advice but potentially therapy
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  Speaker 3: to a slate of twenty twenty eight hopefuls. We have
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  Speaker 3: Alex Krp crashing out on live television. Ryan is going
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  Speaker 3: to take a look at an interesting tip line hack
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  Speaker 3: story that's been occurring at the intercept and then Ryan,
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  Speaker 3: don't we have a journalist coming on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Oh well, we have the publisher of Drop Say News,
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  Speaker 4: which that's the means runs basically the business side and operations.
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  Speaker 4: She was basically kicked off the Committee to Protect Journalist Board.
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  Speaker 4: And that was one of my cats, just falling off desk.
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  Speaker 3: Aircrash, non union cat labor keep dancing and keep dancing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes exactly, and no, I think when you stop down
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  Speaker 4: and make sure that no cat is injured again in
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  Speaker 4: the filming of this production. So uh, this CPJ, there
• 4:32
  Speaker 4: was an effort inside CPJ to redefine who is a
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  Speaker 4: journalist in order to try to get down the number
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  Speaker 4: of journalists that Israel has killed amid its genocide. That
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  Speaker 4: was actually beaten back. Nica was part of that is
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  Speaker 4: no longer on the board. I would say as a
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  Speaker 4: result of that, so she can talk to us about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the fight that went on inside the Committee
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  Speaker 4: to Protect Journalists, which which will continue to go on
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  Speaker 4: even though this round has been one gotcha.
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  Speaker 3: And then in Crystal, we're going to cap it all
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  Speaker 3: off with a Canada interview one Will Lawrence. What's his deal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's making waves in his congressional campaign with an
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  Speaker 2: anti data center ad. So of course that caught our attention,
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  Speaker 2: so we're going to speak with him about that and
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  Speaker 2: his race in general. As you know, the left continues
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  Speaker 2: to notch a lot of extraordinary victories on that front.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to mention, you know, when election day
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  Speaker 2: ended this week in Colorado, it looked like Julie Gonzalez
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  Speaker 2: had been beaten fairly, you know, handily by John Hickenlooper,
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  Speaker 2: the incumbent senator there, although even you know, the margin
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  Speaker 2: that it was looking like it was going to be
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  Speaker 2: was pretty impressive given how much she was outspent, how
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  Speaker 2: little national attention went to her race. Now that the
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  Speaker 2: votes have almost all come in, she was only lost
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  Speaker 2: to him by a handful of points, like six points
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  Speaker 2: at this point. So I think for the left, you know,
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  Speaker 2: It was a real missed opportunity to take out one
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  Speaker 2: of the worst Democratic senators, and it just shows how
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  Speaker 2: powerful the change movement is within the Democratic Party that
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  Speaker 2: even I think she was outspent thirteen to one, she
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  Speaker 2: didn't get all the big endorsements, didn't get as much
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  Speaker 2: national attention as Millot did, for example, and still still
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  Speaker 2: almost pulled off this massive upset.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely so. We've got all of that and more.
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  Speaker 3: But let's focus on the most important thing first today,
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  Speaker 3: which is of course the grill. Crystal. What is going
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  Speaker 3: on here with our barbecue prices?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Americans need me to tell you
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  Speaker 2: that the costs are going up. We have some numbers
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  Speaker 2: we can show you, though officially the barbecue index here
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  Speaker 2: from the Economist. You can see the way that all
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  Speaker 2: of these prices have continued to climb. Your over year
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  Speaker 2: looks like ground beef and for some reason Coca cola,
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  Speaker 2: which you guys should be skipping that entirely anyway. But
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  Speaker 2: whatever those costs continue to climb. You can see steak
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  Speaker 2: there that is only going to get worse. With this
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  Speaker 2: whole screwworm situation unfolding in Texas. Usually just talked to
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  Speaker 2: David Griskham for Crystal and Kyle Crystal Colin Friends yesterday
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  Speaker 2: about Texas, and he was emphasizing what a big deal
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  Speaker 2: that is in terms of Texas politics, that there could
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  Speaker 2: be beef shortages even in that state, which is of
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  Speaker 2: course famous for beef and barbecue. So in any case,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people feeling the pinch as they head into
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  Speaker 2: this holiday weekend. And you know, unlike with COVID, which
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  Speaker 2: was this thing beyond the uh you know, that was
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  Speaker 2: we can't say that global governments had nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with it, but this is a pandemic that you know,
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  Speaker 2: was ont of the hands in a lot of ways
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  Speaker 2: of the Trump and then the Biden administration, unlike the
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine War, which again we can say the US had
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  Speaker 2: a hand in creating the conditions, but ultimately it's this
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  Speaker 2: you know, external factor, Russian invading Ukraine that leads to
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  Speaker 2: the you know, but the increase in inflation or contributes
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  Speaker 2: to it at least, this is entirely due to the
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  Speaker 2: policy of Donald Trump, between the tariffs and now of
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  Speaker 2: course most critically from the war in Iran. I guess
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  Speaker 2: the other factor I would add to that is because
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  Speaker 2: of the climate crisis. There have been tremendous drought conditions
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  Speaker 2: as well that have devastated farmers crops, and so you're
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  Speaker 2: about to have like the lowest wheat yield in decades
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  Speaker 2: because of those climate conditions and the rising price of
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  Speaker 2: fertilizer contributing to that as well. So all of this
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  Speaker 2: has meant increasing pain for American consumers and really for
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  Speaker 2: the globe and in poor countries. It isn't the difference
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  Speaker 2: between you know, affording a stake for your Fourth of
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  Speaker 2: July barbecue or not. It can literally be the difference
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  Speaker 2: between life and death. And we have had an escalating
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  Speaker 2: hunger crisis around the world that appears to be only
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  Speaker 2: set to get worse, especially with climate conditions set to
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  Speaker 2: be really difficult this year with the La Nina cycle too.
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  Speaker 5: I just wanted to put up on the screen here
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  Speaker 5: wage growth versus the inflation rate, because that's another part
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  Speaker 5: of this as well. So if we're looking at what
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  Speaker 5: was the twelve percent year over year barbecue inflation index,
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  Speaker 5: but right now, as of May at least, wage growth
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  Speaker 5: is being outpaced by the inflation rate.
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  Speaker 6: So that's another aspect of this.
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  Speaker 5: We were talking Crystal yesterday about how I think the
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  Speaker 5: Trump corruption stories are going to hit much harder politically,
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  Speaker 5: and maybe you all can let us know. I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: you'll shoot us in the comments, shoot us your thoughts
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  Speaker 5: in the comments, because I bet that'll be a topic
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  Speaker 5: of conversation at some barbecues where you have people feeling
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  Speaker 5: like the prices are going up, wages aren't keeping up
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  Speaker 5: with that, And on top of it, you see news
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  Speaker 5: about the President of the United States just breaking in
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  Speaker 5: one point four billion dollars in the first like eighteen
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  Speaker 5: months of his presidency in crypto schemes. So when the
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  Speaker 5: wages aren't keeping up, that's different than Trump one point zero.
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  Speaker 5: So a little political problem obviously as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put Griffin the jobs numbers up. The jobs
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  Speaker 2: report came out yesterday. Normally comes out Friday, presumement came
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  Speaker 2: out yesterday because today is technically a federal holiday.
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  Speaker 7: That's my guess.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, not a good jobs report. Only fifty seven thousand
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  Speaker 2: jobs added one hundred and fifteen thousand were expected. This
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  Speaker 2: is data pulled from Heather Long, who's an economics reporter
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  Speaker 2: for the Washington Post who does good work there. You
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  Speaker 2: can see the chart here, which shows the way that
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  Speaker 2: job growth has really fallen off. So that we've had
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  Speaker 2: in recent months since Trump hasn't been inaugurated, we've had
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  Speaker 2: a mix of actually job losses and very modest increases.
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  Speaker 2: The unemployment rate still stays low four point two percent,
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  Speaker 2: but she points out this is mainly due to a
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  Speaker 2: big decline in the labor force. You had a large
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  Speaker 2: number of people, hundreds of thousands of people who said,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just not going to even look
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  Speaker 2: for a job anymore. I'm just I'm out out of
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  Speaker 2: the business of looking for jobs.
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  Speaker 6: She says.
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  Speaker 2: The job market is stable, that's good for the FED,
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  Speaker 2: but it's still tough to get a job outside of
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  Speaker 2: healthcare or professional services. Hospitality shed about sixty one thousand jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation is wiping out wage gains. As Emily was just
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  Speaker 2: putting out, bottom line, June jobs report is great for
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  Speaker 2: the FED, disappointing for the rest of America. And Grimma
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  Speaker 2: put the next one up on the screen because there
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  Speaker 2: are a few dynamics here that are important. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked before about the fact that you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Trump administration, they really ran this very We're going to
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  Speaker 2: look out for the men coded campaign, not even coded,
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  Speaker 2: very overt right. It was very much chismo. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to bring back the tough, the factory jobs, the manly
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  Speaker 2: manned jobs. What has happened again directly as the result
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  Speaker 2: of his policy and of the rolling back of some
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  Speaker 2: of the some of the policies of Biden administration is
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  Speaker 2: actually you've had a decline manufacturing sector, and the jobs
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  Speaker 2: that are growing right now are the ones that women
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  Speaker 2: traditionally have been more represented in, so things for example
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  Speaker 2: like healthcare, social services. At the same time, this status
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  Speaker 2: shows you that, you know, the last couple of years
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  Speaker 2: for working moms in particular has been difficult because of
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  Speaker 2: the return to office mandates and also because of the
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  Speaker 2: skyrocketing cost of childcare. So you have more women who
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  Speaker 2: are leaving mothers specifically who have young children under the
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  Speaker 2: age of five, who are being forced out of the
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  Speaker 2: workforce because it is just not a sustainable situation for
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  Speaker 2: them to both have to be in office full time
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  Speaker 2: and pay for full time childcare. So you've got that
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  Speaker 2: hit being taken as well, and you can see that
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  Speaker 2: in the chart here. So in any case, those are
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  Speaker 2: some of the underlying dynamics and one more thing I'll
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  Speaker 2: mention before Ryan gets you in here to react to
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  Speaker 2: some of this is that you also had a downward
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  Speaker 2: revision of the last two months as well. So the
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  Speaker 2: last jobs report of memory serves looked pretty solid. Well,
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  Speaker 2: now they've come in and said, well, actually, now that
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  Speaker 2: we've got the full data in, we've got to knock
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  Speaker 2: off tens of thousands of jobs off at that number
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  Speaker 2: month before they also revised downward. So a pretty dim
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  Speaker 2: picture here in terms of the job market.
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  Speaker 4: In One of the maybe Emily as thoughts is too.
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  Speaker 4: One of the copes I've seen from some people is say, well,
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  Speaker 4: this is not really factoring in the fact that Stephen
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  Speaker 4: Miller's immigration policy has perhaps driven net net negative migration
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  Speaker 4: for the first time in forever, and so therefore there's
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  Speaker 4: actually fewer people, and so the way that you're looking
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  Speaker 4: at this is not completely accurate. A couple responses that
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  Speaker 4: one would be what Emily put up earlier, which is
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  Speaker 4: that wages are growing slower than inflation. So if it
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  Speaker 4: was truly the case that a reduction in a reduction
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  Speaker 4: in the supply of workers was driving up wages, people
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  Speaker 4: would be making more earning power. Instead, they are earning,
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  Speaker 4: their earning, their their earning power is going way down. Also,
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  Speaker 4: if you look at just kind of Latino employment, it's
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  Speaker 4: slightly up over a year ago, just in absolute terms.
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  Speaker 4: So that's you would expect. Because he's really rounding up
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  Speaker 4: as many kind of Hispanic people here without and deporting them,
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  Speaker 4: you would expect that number to be going down if
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  Speaker 4: it was true that those numbers match. And yeah too,
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  Speaker 4: to Cristel's point, you're manufacturing and construction are either flat
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  Speaker 4: or down, depending on depending on how you do the counting,
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  Speaker 4: but certainly not not up or seeing any kind of renaissance.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and what they typically point to is that it's
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  Speaker 5: been a decline in the decline, and I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that's nothing. But just to see a little bit here
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  Speaker 5: from you all will remember the name EJ. And Tony,
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: he was Trump's pick for the BLS position, got booted out,
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  Speaker 5: pointing out basically exactly what Crystal is pointing out here.
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  Speaker 5: To today's June jobs report showed continued wage growth, and that,
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  Speaker 5: combined with the CPI estimated to have been flat month
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  Speaker 5: over month, means solid real wage growth. However, what the
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: average American's weekly paycheck can actually buy is still down
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  Speaker 5: about three percent since January twenty twenty one, and up
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  Speaker 5: less than one percent from January twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 6: And further, Antoni.
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  Speaker 5: Again, who remember the criticism of Antoni was that he's
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: basically going to be a total.
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  Speaker 6: Trump shill, a Magas shill. And here's what he posted yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Ugly jobs report for June, as payrolls rise just fifty
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  Speaker 5: seven thousand, but two previous months were revised down again,
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  Speaker 5: sounding like crystal combined seventy four thousand, a net loss
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  Speaker 5: of seventeen thousand, while employment level plunges more than half
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  Speaker 5: a million as people leave the labor force. One more
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  Speaker 5: thing I'm going to put up here is you can
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  Speaker 5: see this is from USAFX dot org, which I think
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  Speaker 5: is technically a sponsor after party. They have this number.
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  Speaker 5: See this purple downturn. That's the This is wages of inflation.
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  Speaker 5: And so this is for the Trump administration a pretty
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  Speaker 5: bad sign as they go forward into the summer into
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: midterm elections.
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  Speaker 2: Let me share something here on the manufacturing piece. So
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  Speaker 2: this is manufacturing employment over time, and you can see
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  Speaker 2: the way that it builds up through you know, fits
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  Speaker 2: and starts even up through the eighties and then with
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  Speaker 2: the hard neoliberal turn of the Reagan administration and the NAFTA.
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  Speaker 2: You can see the downward spiral here which continues uninbated
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  Speaker 2: till twenty ten. There starts to be an uptick. There's
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  Speaker 2: this is a major COVID crash, and then this is
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  Speaker 2: the Biden administration where you know, it's uh chipped, maybe
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  Speaker 2: didn't get built back to better than it was in
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  Speaker 2: let's say nineteen seventy, but it was building back better
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  Speaker 2: than what it was, but there was some you know,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't sufficient, but there was actually some genuine manufacturing
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  Speaker 2: employment improvement, and for the first time in a long time,
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  Speaker 2: you coming out of a recession. Normally, what happens in
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  Speaker 2: these drops is that the manufacturing employment never comes back,
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  Speaker 2: and so this time it came back and it actually
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  Speaker 2: recovered beyond where it was during the COVID crash. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, now you can see you know, the rate
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  Speaker 2: here under the Trump administration where it's just completely flatlined,
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  Speaker 2: it's fallen off, et cetera. So you know, again this
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  Speaker 2: is just the polar opposite of the promises that they
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: made and what the teriffs were designed to do, and
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I think at this point, I guess the argument on
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: the other side would be, yeah, but the teriffs got
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: struck down and they never did what they were fully
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: intended to do. But lot, yeah, a lot of terriffs
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  Speaker 2: were still in place, are still in place, and it
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  Speaker 2: had the exact opposite impact of what you would expect
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  Speaker 2: or what they promised. At least it was what we
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  Speaker 2: all expected, but what they promised, so, you know, completely counterproductive.
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  Speaker 2: And then the programs that genuinely were working to some
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  Speaker 2: extent during the Biden administration they doged and destroyed.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: So there you go, and with the court ruling, you're
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: getting the worst of all worlds. The tariffs which do
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: produce revenue for the government are deemed to be illegal,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and then the government has to then give that money back.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Howard Lutnix kids and Howard Lutnox firm kind of bought
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: up most of the rights to get those rebates. So
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: not only are we are they kind of hurting manufacturing
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: because they're making it hard for people to import the
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: inputs that they need from manufacturing. We don't even get
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: to keep the money that goes back to Howard Lutnik.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: And then Trump just puts in new tariffs under a
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: different legal rationale, which maybe gets struck down eventually, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: then that money goes to Howard Lutnik too. It's just
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: kind of self dealing all the way down at the
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: expense of American workers.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: And they totally worth noting they totally pulled out of
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: USMCA this week as well.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Interesting but Emily, I've been told from the White House
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Twitter accounts that we are you know, we are trad
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: caath now we like that women are leaving the workforce
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and working at home. So this is a resounding success.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Right Well, to be clear, we could have a separate
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: debate about that, but a lot of the numbers showed
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: that the preference of most mothers working age mothers is
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: to have some part time work arrangement. But a lot
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: of younger mothers particularly can't do that because wages inflation,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: et cetera. They have to be grinding and out. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: as Crystal said, there's been an adjustment post COVID where
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: a lot of people are frustrated that they can't do
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: jobs from home.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: They feel like are perfectly they're perfectly capable.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Of doing from home, and they've been put back into
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: the workforce as childcare prices are spiking as well. So
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know about the trad catholicism of the Trump administration.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: That might just be wishcasting from Vice President Vance.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Let me put this last one up here, just this
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: will feed into a leader conversation we'll have about AI.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: But this is the change in US tech employment. And
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: you know this. Twitter user Joey Politano says the US
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: tech sector continues leading jobs. American tech sector is down
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: forty nine thousand over the last year, and data released
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: this morning nearly as bad as the worst of the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four tech sessions, significantly worse than either the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: twenty eight or twenty twenty recessions. And I mean, I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: think you have to point to AI as being a
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: significant factor here. All the people who were told learned
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to code had the rug pulled out from under them,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and that's been the frontline of true AI. Job replacement
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: has been in the tech sector because the thing that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: they can right now do with the most proficiency, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: you have a workforce that understands how to deploy the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: technology is coding. And so I think that's why you
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: see a huge reduction in the tech labor force.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: All right, well, that'll do it for jobs. But why
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: don't we move over to Kamala who might be returning
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: to look for a new job. In twenty twenty eight,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: We've got a report here that Kamala is not only
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: reaching out to zorroon mom Donnie, but pro Palestine activist
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: that says you're an axio scoop Harris reaches out to Madonnie,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: prop houset and activist and run up to twenty twenty eight.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I guess she's going from I'm speaking to I'm listening.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Oh Griffin.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Now, outside of just this report, there's been reports of
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: her reaching out not only to or people reaching out
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to Mam Donnie, like Pritzker, Joshapiro, Gavin Newsome. It really
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: does seem like mom Donnie is becoming sort of a
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: powerbroker of the Democratic Party. What do you guys think
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: about that?
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Can I actually also ask you too?
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: This is an interesting comparison because when AOC defeated Joe Crowley,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: there was this idea that AOC, who by the way,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: adorsed Abduel sayed this week as well in Michigan's Democratic
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Senate primary, was going to be the new kind of
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: king maker. And what I think we're seeing is Mom
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Donnie handling that in a really deft and like leaderly way.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: I don't even know.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: If leaderly is a true adverb, but it's kind of
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: been interesting. He's not like, he's sort of subtle about it,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: but it's concerted and it's serious, and it seems like
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: it's coming to fruition in a way that people might
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: have expected earlier in the DSA boom, but now it
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: feels like it's actually really gelling.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but let's focus on Kamala and I want you
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: all to react to that first before we get because
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I do want to talk a little bit about the
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: abdual endorsement here and you reaction to that because just
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: months ago, Kamala could barely even say Zorn's name. Let's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: take a listen.
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: What do you think of him and his candidacy and
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: what do you think of mainline democratic shyness and agitation
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: about the prospect that he's going to win.
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: Look, as far as I'm concerned, he's the Democratic nominee
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: and he should be supported.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: What do you endorse his candidacy? I support the Democrat
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: in the race.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Sure, what do you so, you know, not exactly brave,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: but also probably more than a lot of other people
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: had to say at that at that time about him
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to even support the Democratic nominee in the rays Ryan, Uh,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: what do you think these conversations are going to be
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: like between her and the pro Palestine activists? How do
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you think she's going to navigate that situation?
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: And I guess it's a pets on who she talks to.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: But let's not forget that the number one hit that
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: a Giano Espaot used against his opponent, Daria Lisa, was
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: that she had said, F Kamala Harris. He put it
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: on a giant mailer. He put her face on it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: If the mailer said F Kamala Harris, Daria Lisa. And
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: he mailed that to everybody in his district. And we're
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: still looking for a copy. If anyone has a copy
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: for us, Oh, copy, yes, put it in the put
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: in the museum. Uh So, if you're Kamala Harris and
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you're watching that, to me, you'd be like, all right,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I guess it's a wrap for me. Like that's like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: how do you come how do you come back from that?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Like Normy voter in Harlem saw that and were like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: I'm with Daria Lisa, Like, where do you go from there?
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I guess where she goes. She calls mom Donnie he
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: maybe uses his name at this point, and then asks like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: who do I need to talk to to get right
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: on this question? I think I think nobody. I think
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: there's probably room for people to be open to her
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: because nobody thinks she has any deeply held views period.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: So it's not like she has a deeply held view
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: of support for Israel. She just doesn't care. She's just
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: a politician who's going to mouth whatever it is. At
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: this point, though, in our politics, I don't think you
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: need somebody like that. If you're the kind of progressive left,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: you could get somebody who actually does believe things and
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: believes things that you agree with. So also, what like
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: she ran in twenty twenty didn't even make it into
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty. I think she dropped out before the calendar
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: turned into the election year. And then she gets picked
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: by Biden and then she becomes the nominee by FIAT, Like,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: what is it about her that Democratic voters are going
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: to say, Yeah, this is the person that we need
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: to put out on the field. I just don't see it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Well, Chrystal, do you think if she does adopt a
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: pro Palestine position, she says, now I am listening and
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: what we did was wrong, or we should be actually
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: holding a larger candle to Israel and holding their feet
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: to the fire. Do you think that would get her
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: through at least a month or two of the primary
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: before crashing out like it does seem like she is
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: going to run.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean she can get through a
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: month or two or the primary just from being the first,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you know, black woman vice president and having some base
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: of support because of that in high name recognition. But
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: on Palestine, how could you ever trust her? Because when
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it mattered, you did nothing. When it mattered. You would
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: not even let a Palestinian American who endorsed you and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to speak on your behalf the DNC stage.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: What's that, Ryan, Yeah, and say nice things about you exactly.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: So very new speech, right, very iodyne speech.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: So and it reminds very much of Kamala Harris in
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty on Medicare for all. Remember she signed on
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: bar Bernie's bill as a co sponsor because she thought
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that was a political thing to do, and then some
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: donors gave her some pushback, and she remembers she was
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: pretending she didn't hear the answer the question when she
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: got asked about private insurance. I mean, it's just a
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: mess because she doesn't have any core convictions. She's just
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: constantly finger in the wind, and the finger is not
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: even that sensitive to where the wind is blowing. Okay,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: it's like she's getting the wind from like three years
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: ago from blowing by at this point. So yeah, I mean,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I would point to examples that I think Ryan has
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: pointed to in the recent election results, which is Antonio Renoso,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: who was running against Claire Valdez. He said it was
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a genocide, but he didn't say it until it was
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: politically convenient to him. It was not until he was
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: running and it was clear he needed to say it
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: before he said it, and people looked at that and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: said not good enough. When it counted, when it was hard,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: you were nowhere to be found. You could see Scott
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Wiener being confronted by activists while he's at Pride events,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: who and same thing. He has now said it's a genocide.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: But people look at this and go, yeah, But when
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: it was hard when the you know, bombs were being dropped.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Now there's still mass burder happening in gods that, don't
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: get me wrong. But when the bombs were being dropped
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and babies were being mass murdered, you had nothing to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: say about it. It's not good enough. So I think
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: for you're going to see a lot of Democrats now
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: who have been horrendous on this issue, who are looking
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: at the election results or going holy shit, I better
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: get on board with this or I'm going to be
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in big trouble. You're going to see a lot of
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: people repositioning themselves and suddenly you know it's a genocide,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and suddenly they can get on board with blocking weapons,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and suddenly they are repositioning themselves as economic, populous and
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: trying to meet the moment. That's it's a good thing
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: that cynical politicians are trying to move to be in
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the correct place now. But no, I don't think voters
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: are going to forget. For Kamala Harris that when it counted,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: both when you were vice president and when you were
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: campaigning for president and at risk of losing to Donald Trump,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: which you did then lose, that you were terrible and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: nowhere to be found. So no, I don't think a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: few conversations with you know, pro Palestine activists or reaching
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: out to Zorra mom Donnie is going to solve that
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: issue for her. I don't think it's fixable.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I wrote a piece on this this week, going back
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: with the not just the Medicare for All and Kamala Harris,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: but also as you all remember, when she got a
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: town hall question it was like twenty eighteen or twenty
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: nineteen about accepting corporate money versus corporate lobbyist money, like
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: corporate pack money versus corporate lobbyist money, and she tried
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: to split the hair and it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: Went super viral.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: She got just like roasted for it, and immediately within
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: like a couple of weeks, she went on Breakfast Club
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: and was like, I will not be taking corporate pack money.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: And then within a year she was doing a tour
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: of the Amptons at just like trying to rake in
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: as much corporate money as possible, but within this framework
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: of Christian Jilbrand did it as well. There was this
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: like rush to say we're not accepting corporate pac money
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: in the twenty twenty Democratic primary and then instead of taking.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: The PAC money.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: They were just begging Wall Street and the like hedge
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: fund folks for donations either way. So they it was
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: like this meaningless thing where she had she had her
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: finger in the wind, to Crystal's point, but like couldn't
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: even pull that off because she is not principled enough
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: or smart enough politically, clever enough politically to pull it off.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Right, It's like she doesn't understand campaign finance. It's like, bro,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: corporate PAC money doesn't scale for a presidential campaign, Like
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: you're capped at like five thousand dollars or something like
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: from an individual corporate pack, right, Like do you know
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: how much you would how many corporate pack donations you
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: would need to get a billion dollars? I mean that's
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: it's like you'd need every company pack like on the
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: planet to give you multiple donations. But you can go
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: to the Hampton's and get a million dollar check from
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: the guy that owns the company. Forget the so to
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: not even know that, like like we need more competent
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: corrupt politicians. It's like, come on, give us, give us
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: something better here to do better there.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Newsom well the politicians, Yeah, he's got it. So the
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: politicians are are coming around to the idea that they
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: need to pivot on the issue, but mainstream media seems
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to be still stuck on this, which I think leads
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: us nicely to this clip of an Abdul al Sayed,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: who's been making the rounds on mainstream media and recently
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: got into a little bit of a kerfuffle over saying
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: that his opponent Hailey Stevens couldn't string two sentences together
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: due to her APAC found a fund so much they
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: this this anchor grills him a lot on Israel's right
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: to exist. It's the whole shebang all over again. But
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I think this sexist, misogynist accusation is the new one
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: that they're going with because APAC really can't run on
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the issue of Israel. Let's take a little bit of casey.
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: When you said that you hope that APAC could teach
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: Stevens how to stream, why is she standing together?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Do you regret how you phrase that at all?
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: The right way to put it?
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: Obviously, Congressman and Stephns is really smart, which is why
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: it's so surprising that whenever you ask her why, for example, she.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Took a trip to Portugal paid for by Center forward.
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: One of the super PACs that is playing in this
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: election to Portugal with her mom, Why she took that trip,
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: why she's taking thirty million dollars from APAC, Where her
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: money comes from.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: She struggles to explain.
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: What that's, what that is, and so I just think
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: it's really important for us to get a clear explanation
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: of where that money's coming from and what she's promised
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: to these corporations and super PACs, including APAC, about what
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: she plans to do for them when she's an AUF.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Do you want to see the super pacic supporting you
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: air negative ads like they've now said they were planning
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: Obviously I don't coordinate with them, but you're talking about
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: the National Nurses United, the UAW Working Families Party. These
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: are folks who are trying to push back against the
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: missing disinformation that you just saw from APAC. So at
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: the end of the day, I would rather not engage
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: in negative campaigning at all. I don't do it on
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: my campaign. We're focused on talking about getting money out
• 32:21
  Speaker 10: of politics, putting money in your pocket, passing Medicare for all,
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: standing up with and for women, doing the work that
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: builds in America. Where everybody knows that they can get
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: the health care they need when they need it, that
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: they get childcare when they need it, and that their
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: healthcare and their economy is not dominated by a large
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: corporation telling us what we can't have, shouldn't fight for,
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: and have to put up with.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: All Right, so we've got the thirty million APEX spend
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: versus the dark money of the nurses in the UAW,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: what do we make of it?
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: It?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Let me just let me as a woman, let me
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: weigh in here. Since the ad that APET, the APAC
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: backed group put out, said that abdul ah Sayad has
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: like a history of disparaging women or something like that,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and the Detroit Free Press dug into the claims that
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: they made in this ad and were like, this is total,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: incomplete bullshit. One of them, just to give you a sense,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: was like he said Michelle Obama was ineffectual and incompetent
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: or something like that, and he was critiquing her, you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: her push when she was the first lady the Let's
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Move project, and he was saying, look, it's great to
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: encourage kids to move, and you know that's that's good,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: but we also have to address these structural factors, very
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: consistent with his view on Medicare for all, and he
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: said that her program was well meaning but ineffectual, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: so they used that to be like, he hates Michelle
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Obama and smeared her in a sexist way. It's total,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: incomplete bullshit. Obviously, it's also very Hillary Clinton twenty sixteen
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: coded what they did to Bernie of the toxic Bernie bros.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And breaking up the big banks doesn't end racism. It's
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a great reminder of where the you know, woke one
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: point zero type politics, the well from which they sprung,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: which was the neoliberals trying to beat back this left insurgency.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: They're trying to run the same playbook. I don't think
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: it's going to work. But the other thing I see here,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and you guys can tell me if I'm overreaching on this,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: but Abdul Sayed is a Muslim Man, and I also
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: think there's a little bit of, oh, let's tell the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: public that this Muslim man mistreats women, because that's the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Islami phobe stereotype of Muslim cin America. So I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: there's some of that going on there, which is really gross.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: But if you watch that whole interview, Griffin. You referenced
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the Casey was pushing him on, does Israel have a
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: right to exist? Why wouldn't you say Israel has a
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: right to exist? And Abdol handled it very well. He
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: was like, look, no one ever asked me if Palistein
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: has a right to exist. The reality is Israel does exist.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Let's ask the question with our tax dollars should be
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: going to them to bomb babies rather than let's say,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: building hospitals in the state of Michigan. Great answer, but
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I really think the media has lost the plot on
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: what is going to help and what is going to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: hurt these candidates. For the vast majority of Americans, not
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: just Democrats, Americans, when they look at that exchange, they
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: are going to be on Abdul side. They're going to say, yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: he's right, Why are we spending our tax dollars? Why
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: is he being harangued over this issue? By the way,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: again and again in this incredibly tired and cliche way.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So it reminds me somewhat of the way that some
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: of the attacks on Trump from the mainstream press have
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: backfired over the years in the same way where you know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: when he comes out and he's slinging, and he's making
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: them look like they're melting down, and he's sort of
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: like owning them. People are going, oh, yeah, I like
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: this guy versus they thought they were hurting him. And
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I think there's a similar dynamic going on now where
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the mainstream press doesn't realize that, for example, associating a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: candidate with Hassan for the Democratic base, they're looking at
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that and going, oh, I guess that's the candidate that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: is actually good on Israel, that actually has a world compass.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be with that guy, which is exactly
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: what happened in the Michigan race with Abdulla as well.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: I think there's something to that, And Casey Hunt is
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: a good example on CNN of somebody who I think
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: is it's odd because I'm trying to explain this and
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: you guys can tell me if I'm off on this,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: but like post quote unquote woke politics are sort of
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: strange how they've split in the centrist media because on
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: the one hand, they know that like political correctness is
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: over and they should be having these like fiery panels
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: on the Abby Phillips Show whatever, like let everybody shout
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: at each other. On the other hand, they still do
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: want to like tone police sexism and misogyny and don't
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: understand in any way whatsoever that people don't buy these
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: like really thin attacks anymore. It does to a Crystal's point,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: it does remind me a bit of every time the
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: media will.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: Melt down about tone policing Trump and knowing.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: That the public is, like, no, most people in the
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: public aren't on board with Trump's tone, but it's not
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: like the core issue that they're concerned about. Over and
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: over again. They're concerned about putting food on their table,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: paying their healthcare bills, and like being able to afford
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: daycare stuff like that, and so it just it's a
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: strange dynamic when you see the media try to like
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: parse these politics in twenty twenty six they just don't
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: know what actually people care about Michigan. And you see
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: it with it's very Bernie twenty sixteen.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Apak doing that type of attack ad, you know, basically
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: dredging up twenty fifteen again feels sort of like the
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: you know, hello, fellow Democrats, how do you do kind
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: of thing? Like you guys care about women and women's rights? Right, Well,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: this and right, well, you're like ten years late on
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: this and I don't think people are going to buy
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: it from you. And politically, kind of pragmatically, he's going
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: to overwhelmingly win women in Michigan. His challenge against Mike
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Rodgers is going to be independent women, independent men, and
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: old older men too. He needs to tighten the margins.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: He's going to lose old older men to Mike Rogers.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: But if he can shrink that margin, then you know
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: he can, then he's going to be more competitive. And ironically,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: some of those older men uh in Michigan are going
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: to hear these ads saying that he's you know, hostile
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: to women, and it's going to cut against the Republican
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: attack that he's too far left, and they're gonna be
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: they're gonna be more open to him ironically.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And there's there's a barstool there's also these like young
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: barstool guys. I'm seeing that I'm going out for Abdul
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: like I'm seeing I'm seeing these Dave port and I
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: esque bros. Holding women's our guy. Well, I think it's more. Oh,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I love that that's a good shirt too, really good shirt.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I want that shirt. But you know, what. I just
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: have to give a shout out to David Serena, who
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: went to Michigan and did the gym thing with Abdul
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: despite decidedly not being a jim Bro himself. I'm just
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: really want to admire I just admire him for doing
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: that and making himself vulnerable in that way. He's like,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I got crushed, but it was a good time.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, he admitted to me on Twitter that he's actually
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: a gamer, So yeah, gamer in the gym is very unusual.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So we've been talking a lot though. There's another, you know,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: big c change in this race because AOC just endorsed
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I guess she heard that he was a misogynist and
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: now she's in. Now she's all in. Now. We talk
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: a lot about AOC's strategies on who to endorse and when.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: So I did definitely want Crystal's reaction to this, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: crystals well or or Crystal can leave the can I
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: can get Ryan to do it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: You're trying to give me yelled at again, But.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: There's also talk about yeah, but there's also talk about it.
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: For their cons.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: It's great that she endorsed him. I just want to
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: see more of this, you know, and it's and it's
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: significant too because Hailey Stevens is one of her colleagues,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: so you know, she to go in and endorse Abdoor
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: at this point I think makes a difference. I think
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Abdullah's on track for victory. So I also think it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: like relatively safe for her at this point to jump
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: in the race. I just want to see her use
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that power more so. A great example of you know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: another place where she could make a difference is with
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Corey Bush and Missouri, and maybe she's going to get
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in there, but Corey's a former colleague, you know, they
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: are friends as far as I know. But she's running
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: against Wesley Bell, who takes bajillions of dollars from a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: pack roughly, and so that would be a race where
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: it will really make a difference. In terms of the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: New York coordination thing, I completely you know, I'd seen
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: this reporting before that she and Zorn coordinated, and you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I don't doubt that that is the case. I just
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: from my perspective, Zorin has gotten justifiably a lot of
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the credit and is now being called by Kam Layers
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: and Gavin Newsom, et cetera because he is perceived as
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: this kingmaker, and I think that's legitimate. You know, I
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: think he almost uniquely was able to transfer his coalition
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: to these candidates. In New York City, people spoke to
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: reporters on the ground who were voting for Daria Liza
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: and were just basically like, Yeah, I don't know much
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: about her, but it's Zoraen's candidate, so I'm voting for her.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I think that's pretty extraordinary. And so if AOC had
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: taken the risk of also backing some candidates against her,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: against incumbents, which is what she was when she won,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: she would also be able to accumulate that capital and
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: be seen very much as the leader of this movement. So,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: you know, I think she's playing it too safe. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: think that she is deferring too much to the feelings
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: of her colleagues versus the needs of the movement. And
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: there are a number of races that it really could
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: make a difference. You Another example here is I think
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: if Bernie also I think plays it a little too safe,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: al though not quite as safe as AOC. If he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and a AOC had endorsed Tom Steyer in California, who
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: was clearly the most progressive candidate. He would have made
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the top two. It was very close, and he would
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: you know, be in the game and have a real
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: shot at winning in that state, and that would make
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a huge difference. So I just think there's a lot
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: of miss opportunities here in too much of a cautious approach.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: But I'm very glad to see her endorse Abdul And I.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Mean, darl Lisa won by like two thousand votes. That
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: was a really close one, very close.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've seen people say, well, how come it's
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: okay for it's not okay for AOC to do it
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: this way, but it's okay for mom Donnie to do it,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: And actually, you know, you're it's it's sexist, it's a
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: double standard. There's a there's a very big distinction between
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: the two at this moment. As as mayor, he's highly
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: dependent on what Albany kind of allows him to do
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: as mayor. Like that, his his agenda for the budget,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: for the budget for lots of weathering is direct is
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: directly linked to his ability to get things done in Albany.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: AOC does not need the House of Representatives. The House
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: of Representatives is her platform, but she is not like
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: she's not. She's not going to pass some like Okasio
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Cortes Act over the next couple of years that Trump
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: is going to sign into law. And if she's going
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: to do it next term, it's going to be because
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: of the power that she builds nationally. Nobody in the
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: House except maybe a couple of Republicans likes Rocana like
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: they hate him. House Democrats they hate him. Yet he
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: passed the economassy legislation because of the raw power of
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: the public getting behind him. So yes, she's preserving her
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: relationships in the House by not endorsing any incumbents and
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: she and if she sticks by this apparent pledge that
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: she made to not endorse any challengers, that literally does
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: mean that she won't get behind Corey Bush against Wesley Bell,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: who ran in twenty eighteen with her, was her former
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: incomment colleague that APAX spent millions to knock out.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: You know that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Slept out on the capital steps to protect people from eviction.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: And you're not going to You're not gonna get behind
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: her because you're trying to preserve relationships with these people
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: you know that would love to see you burn And
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: for what It's not like you're developing any legislative.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Power, and that's such an important Both of those are
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: important points. Okay, you don't think that the democratic establishment
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: would destroy her giving the slightest possible chance, Like this
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: loyalty she's showing is not going to be reciprocated. That's
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: number one. Number two, she's this is you know, she's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: been taking this approach for a while. What has it
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: gotten you? When you wanted to be the ranking member
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: on over such they were like, no, we're going to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: give it to this man who was literally going to
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: be dead in a few months. We will pick him
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: over you. I mean, it's that's.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: That's what it's doing. She made the promise in that
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: campaign that she wouldn't endorse.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: So she kept the promise but didn't even care.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Even didn't get the position now any contract was the
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: front runner for president. So that's the counter argument.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: In contrast Zorn, you know, with his move some of
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: which I was critical of at the time, they've paid off.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: He was right. I was wrong, you know, in terms
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of preserving his relationship with Hochel, not endorsing against hackem Jefferies,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: and as you pointed out right now, he went through
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the DSA democratic process too, by the way, and made
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: his case and they were like, okay, narrowly, we agree
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: with you here. So it has been a successful pragmatic
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: approach with AOC who's been in the House now almost
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: a decade. It's hard to point to similar fruits of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: you know, the approach that she's taken in terms of
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: like pragmatic legislative victories. And then the last thing that
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: we haven't even mentioned here is she's already come out
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and said she's went for Hakeem Jeffreys for speaker. Why
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: would you do that? Why even if you, in your
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: heart of hearts know that at the end of the day, okay,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I will vote for him, why would you announce that publicly? Now?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: That just means that going into those negotiations, you have
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: zero power and leverage. There is no ability of you
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: to join. You know, all of your new colleagues at
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Chris Rabm and you know you've already got Summer Lean
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: and you've got Dari Lisa and Clara Valdez and all
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: of these people that are coming in now. And you
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: know in may Leed Kiros in Colorado you have a
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: genuine faction here who could push force real things and
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: extract some concessions out of Hakeem Jefferys and the Democratic establishment.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: And you've just handed over willingly all of your power.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Why why would.
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: Sense to me?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: But Chris rab also said the same thing on the show,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: So it does seem to be some sort of keep
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: your powder dry strategy.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Please you may remember better than me my recollection as
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: he was just like, I'm not sure, we'll see who's running.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: AOC actively said no, I will vote for Hickem Jefferies.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: So those are those are different things.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I prefer to see the malakiros approach of I will
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: not vote for Kiem Jefferies, but at the very least
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: have that line of like, I don't know who's running,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: so we'll see, right, Yeah, keep maintain your leverage. That's
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: all you have to do. It was crazy to me
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to see her give that up like that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can get so many different I mean, obviously
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: this was Ryan. We were talking about this the other day.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: This was Kevin McCarthy's great downfalls that he ended up
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: giving so much away. I don't think it ultimately helped
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: the Freedom Caucus folks and those who voted against Kevin McCarthy.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: But that's because they play it poorly, to be honest,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: when they ousted him, but that is exactly how they
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: He ended up as a speaker because he had to
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: give so much to the HFC people just to secure
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: their votes, because they leveraged their votes, which is a
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: thing that you can do in politics magically. It's amazing
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: how that works. But I actually thought the way that
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: AOC played the Nancy Pelosi stuff was impressive in the moment.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: I actually though, on the.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Other hand, now that we have some time in the
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: rear room mirror, look at that and say, well, with
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: Zorron and now this new wave, it's not even an
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: option for the Democratic establishment anymore to continue clinging to
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: their status quo because they literally do not have the
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: public on their side. They don't have the momentum of
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: the party's base, they don't have the grassroots, and so
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: it's not just kind of like, oh, maybe we're in
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: a transition phase circ.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: Twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty two.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Now it is just like abundantly clear what direction the
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: party is going and what direction the voters wanted to
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: go in, and so it's it's like she is. She
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: could be more powerful than Hakim Jeffries if she chose
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: to be like Jakim Jeffries is this Leau guy. Yeah,
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: he's the guy who has no power anymore. I mean,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: does he technically have power, yes, of course, but like
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: he doesn't really have people with him anymore. She's the
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: one who should theoretically have a ton of power because
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: she's representing the base and the grassroots that is now
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: firmly ensconced as the like engine of the Democratic Party.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: So it doesn't make any sense to continue to be
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: deferential to the like leadership because they you can give
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: to them more than they can give to you.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: At this point, you know, the strategy maybe makes more
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: sense if she's planning to run for Senate instead of
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: for president. You know, maybe there's a theoretical like, Okay,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Kim Jeffries is powerful new York tech Schumer is powerful
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: in New York. Maybe if I don't rock the boat
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: with these people, maybe it'll be go easier for me
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: in a Senate primary.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I think down the road.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So I think the strategy is somewhat more logical if
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: you're going in that direction now in terms of what
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: would be best for the movement. There's still I think
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: a major flaw in the approach here where you know,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: the left has the wind at their backs right now,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: it's in a way that has never been the case,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: even in a peak Bernie moment. You know, the democratic
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: base agrees with the left. The neoliberal establishment has been
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: destroyed in terms of their credibility, and so now's the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: moment when you take those risks and use the political
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: capital and the prestiges you have with the liberal and
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: progressive base to try to expand that coalition and move
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the movement forward. And I think she's you know, I
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: think she's missing the bark and being too cautious in
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: that regard, Whereas I think Zoron has really successfully combined
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: privatism in terms of I need to govern effectively in
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: the City of New York with taking some major risks
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: that have paid out off and have really been incredible
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: for helping to build the movement, including his own campaign.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: By the way, I mean, let's not forget he start
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: at one percent. It's an incredible long shot, and nothing
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: has been more consequential in American politics for the left.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: Nothing.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Well, Crystal, do we have a second to talk about
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Colorado before we get to our guest.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: We better we better have a second to talk about Colorado,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: because I am okay, I have been following this. You
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: know who turned to put me on to this complete
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: maniac who is now looks to be the Republican nominee
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: for governor of Colorado is actually my eighteen year old daughter,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: who was like, Mom, have you seen this interview?
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: This guy is.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Insane and he is blowing is this interview is blowing
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: up on TikTok? So this man what is his name,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Victor Marx? His dad is actually named Carl Marx. Guys,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I should you not?
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: This is how insane?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Wait I think so. I saw that on Twitter. Double
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: check me, and maybe that's bullshit, but that is what
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I saw on Twitter. In any case, he runs one
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: of these like, oh, we help women and girls that
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: been trafficked. But in an interview with a local news reporter,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: he got completely called out. He refused to back up
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: the statistics that he'd put out there previously. Just you know,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: the details around the reality of what is happening in
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: this organization are in doubt to say the least. But
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the other thing that's insane and we'll play this clip
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: for you. He claims that his dad made him kill
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: a man when he was seven, and then when he
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: got asked whether he's killed other people, he refused to
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: say okay and was like, I don't see why that's important.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: He's also claimed to lead these like strikes on terrorists,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: but he was never in the military, so he's claiming
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: as a civilian he like directed these military operations against
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: terrorists and various locations around the planet. Also want specified
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the details of that, So Griffin, can we go ahead
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: and play this clip because I just need everybody to
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: know the type of people that are getting nominated around
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the country on the Republican side.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: This this clip feels straight out of the Jinks with
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Robert Durst, The Greatest.
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: Documentary of all.
• 52:08
  Speaker 11: Your claim that your abusive stepfather forced you to kill
• 52:11
  Speaker 11: a man when you were seven years.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Old is.
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: Well as a as a child, yes, without questions. But
• 52:37
  Speaker 12: I've been in other situations where you know, possibly people
• 52:42
  Speaker 12: are persons died uh as a result of me defending
• 52:47
  Speaker 12: myself and other countries.
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: Do you think that you've killed people as an adult?
• 52:54
  Speaker 12: Does it matter?
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: It is a pretty weighty thing.
• 53:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah, if someone's trying to kill you, or you're in combat.
• 53:05
  Speaker 11: It's still a weighty thing to take somebody.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Else's again, was not in the military events.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: You justified, but it's still a weighty thing.
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: So I'm just asking how many people if you killed?
• 53:15
  Speaker 12: Well, if I did, I wouldn't be telling a reporter
• 53:20
  Speaker 12: sitting here my training center. How about voters? Would you
• 53:24
  Speaker 12: tell voters there's no need. I don't think that's important.
• 53:29
  Speaker 12: It's actually kind of it's an odd question to me.
• 53:34
  Speaker 11: Because you actually talk about the idea of killing people
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: with some frequency and why it's a necessary thing to do.
• 53:40
  Speaker 11: Killing people, you said on NERATV in twenty seventeen. Now
• 53:44
  Speaker 11: a lot of them just.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Got to be killed.
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: I've had them shoot at me and I had to
• 53:47
  Speaker 11: shoot back. There's a time and place to eliminate the enemy,
• 53:49
  Speaker 11: and you have to, you said on Jeff Lerner's podcast
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: in twenty twenty five. Some people have to get killed,
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: some people have to die.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: But it's an odd question to ask you how many
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: people you've killed?
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, all right, So okay, so I was just going
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: to say so.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: The Washington Examiner and the Army Website report that he
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: is he was a marine, So I don't know if
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: that I don't know.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, either way, it doesn't really check out.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah it doesn't.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: I was ready. I was when I first saw that,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: I was ready to defend him, because if you're in combat,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: I think what he was trying to say at one point,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: if you're in combat and you're shooting off into the distance,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: maybe you don't necessarily know if you're not sure killed
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: somebody or not. But then when it gets when he
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: brings up the fact that you yourself have bragged about
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: killing people and talked about the importance of killing people
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: and how much it matters to kill people that are
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: trying to kill you. Like, if you're the one that
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: introduced it into the conversation, then it's a completely fair question,
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: So here's what it looks like. It says he served
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: in from eighty three to eighty six under a different
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: name vond incredible, incredible, never bri zone or saw combat.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, so are these parking lot fights like
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: what's where.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Where we already have killed people?
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Grenada Like it's never deployed to a war zone, never
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: saw combat, sothough And also, okay, if.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: You can't well and we're assuming that this name thing
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: is correct, because that's what's like confusing about all of
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: the like we've seen people embellish and have totally incorrect
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: information about whether or not they served in the military before.
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: So that's it's it's enormously bizarre.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: And he's winning. He's winning.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: He's winning the Republican nomination. He will almost certainly lose
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: to the Democratic nominee. But Colorado on your Republican nominee
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: for governor Colorado?
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Colorado elected Republicans.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Not long ago.
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Wow, Well, everyone keep a far breadth away from the
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Colorado Republican primaries and filling going on there. And DSA shout.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Out to shoutout to Kyle Clark, who did a great
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: job in that interview. Everyone should go watch the whole
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: thing because there were many more moments like that that we're.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Just like killing someone as a weighty thing.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: In the words Kyle's non.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Question, Well, you've made some odd claims, so we're going
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: to have to ask some odd questions.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about journalism or protecting journalists. We
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: have a guest here, Ryan, Let's bring them on in. Ryan,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: who do we have today?
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: We've got Nica soon Chong, publisher of Drop Side News. Nika,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: how you doing not so bad?
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: How are you well? Thanks for having me, Thanks for
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: joining us.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: We appreciate it, of course. So you found yourself in
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: the middle of a controversy this past couple of weeks
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: just to get just to give it a little bit
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: of the background. But I want to want you to
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: kind of tell us everything I happened. So you were
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: were up until recently a member of the board of
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: the Committee to Protect Journalists, which, like other similar committees,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: keeps a list of the number of journalists around the
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: world who have been killed while performing their journalistic duties.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: That list has become a massive political liability for the
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: state of Israel, which has killed more journalists maybe than
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: any other country in modern history or I guess history
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: period in such a short amount of time. And so
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: there's been this then rearguard action by defenders of Israel
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: to try to either one by one eliminate people who
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: are or who were added to that list, but then
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: more importantly, to kind of change the definition of who
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: becomes a journalist. So can you talk tell us like
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: a little bit about how, like how it came to
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: pass that all of a sudden, CPGA was going to
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: review its definition of who counts as a journalist, and
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: what was the change that some advocates were looking for.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'll say it's not CpG.
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: It's specifically the CPJ Board, which has the independent authority
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: to change the definition for the organization. Right, And it
• 58:27
  Speaker 9: wasn't even an agenda item for the board to discuss.
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: It actually came from a discussion that was planned of
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: an article that was titled CPJ board stacked with figures
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: who accuse Israel of genocide and apartheid and then had
• 58:43
  Speaker 9: free beacon. Yeah exactly, And the article had several obvious
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: factual errors, et cetera. But first of all, Israel is
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: an apartheid state and it is committing genocide and we
• 58:54
  Speaker 9: should be able to say that.
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: And second of all, we were.
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: Supposed to discuss a response again against the piece which
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: cites accusations from honest reporting that drop site does quote
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: unquote terrorist pr Instead, the outcome was, well, maybe the
• 59:12
  Speaker 9: piece is wrong, but maybe it has a point. Maybe
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: actually some of the journalists in Gaza are legitimate combatants
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: and for that reason we should really reevaluate whether or
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: not they qualifies as a journalist. And so from there
• 59:27
  Speaker 9: the discussion was long, and the next thing I knew
• 59:31
  Speaker 9: there was a task force established to evaluate whether or
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: not CPJ's definition should break from international.
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: Law and count.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: But not by a vote or anything of the board,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: just a all of a sudden, somebody on the board,
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: it's just we're going to do a task force and
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: we're going to look at this, right.
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: And then a couple of weeks later, the task force
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: had been selected, had been selected, with members including members
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: who advocated for the questioning of the inclusion of journalists
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: who are associated with MS and PIJ. And so from
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 9: there I sent an email asking very simply for a
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: vote and laying out some of what I thought the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: moral stakes were of even beginning this process, of even
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: beginning this sort of collective active suspicion to reverify and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: reevaluate the very terms the organization is built on.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: It's like the J and CPJ's journalists.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: If we really don't know what that is, then the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 9: whole organization should shut down until it's figured out.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: And so it's quite consequential, and what's the current go ahead?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask the same question, what is
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: the current definition of journalists that is held by the CPJ,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: How was that determined and how was it going to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: be changed?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so journalists are people who regularly cover news, to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 9: report or share fact based information. That includes journalists that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: state back to publications. It includes freelancers. It includes journalists
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: at publications run by identified terrorist groups by certain countries.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 9: Now journalists are excluded from inclusion from the Impunity Index
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: from the database if there's evidence that they were directly
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: participating in combat in armed conflict at the time of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: their death.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: And so really, now the new.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: Element being introduced is, well, should civilian journalists affiliated with
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: non military wings of identified terrorist groups be excluded categorically
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: from being counted as a journalist?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: And the counter so that then I saw I saw
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: the email that you sent. You pointed out because people
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: have a very hard time humanizing Palestinians. So you said, okay,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: the ANC, you know, Nelson Mandela's organization was listed as
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: a terrorist organization up until like relatively recently, and they
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: had a media they had a media wing, They had
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: reporters that would write for publications that were kind of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: affiliated with the ANC. Most most political groups around the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: world have like a separate media wing. Most states have
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: it too. Russia has RT, Turkey has multiple state backed ones,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: the US has NPR and PBS, you know, Britain has
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: you know, the BBC like and so the idea was,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: if if you're doing journalism for any one of these affiliates,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: does not matter what the politics are of the organization
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: you're affiliated with, Like you can't kill an RT journalist
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: because you think that Putin is a terrorist, you can't
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: kill an a n C linked journalist because you think
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: that the anc IS journalists. You can't kill Hamas linked
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: because they've got their own news organizations. You can't kill
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: them if they're freelancing for this outlet. So that was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: the counter argument, Like what was there? How do they
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: Everyone agrees with that in the world of journalism, So
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: how are how are they going to single out kind
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: of Palestinian journalists working for these organizations without also then
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: saying if you work for Israeli Army radio or an
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: Israeli you know, public news organization or the BBC, Like,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: how are they because they wouldn't want to say a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: BBC journalist is fair game, even though the UK is
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: complicit in a genocide, So what was there What was
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: their attempt to kind of write a definition that would say,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: these journalists are terrorists and you can kill them, but
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: these journalists are not and you can't.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think in many ways it's driven by
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: the discomfort with the international laws acceptance of Palestinian's right
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 9: to armed resistance to a military occupation. And you mentioned
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: the ANC. It's not just that ANC had a newspaper
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 9: and an outlet, it also had an armed wing of
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: contud toce SI's Weight that Mendela was a founding leader
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 9: of and Mandela himself was on the US terror watch list.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: And so really it's it's the the acusations.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: Of violence on behalf of quote unquote terrorist organizations that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 9: is really driving this special rule. But the logic doesn't
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 9: hold up if you push it just an inch forwards,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 9: which is really why I thought the process was.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: In bad faith to begin with.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: Well, that was going to be my question is what
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: evidence do they have that any of these journalists may
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: have been acting, as you laid out NICA in violent
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: capacities at the time of their guests.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: Does that evidence exist?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: Is that would that put a serious dint in the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: numbers if it were there.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 9: So that is the current definition now if their journalist
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: is acting in combat the time of their death and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: there to be excluded. I know there are instances, and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: again I haven't reviewed this myself, and I actually can't
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: speak to any of the data or the cases. But
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 9: there have been instances, for example, where there have been
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 9: habituaries published by hamas that have identified a journalist in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: a particular way cause for a review of how they
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: were included in the database. And I think those rules
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 9: are legitimate, and that is a legitimate reason to review
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 9: that case. And it's unfortunate that a politically motivated board
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 9: led effort is being conflated with the review of the database,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 9: which is conducted by CpG staff CpG staff that operate independently.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: And So, Nica, what events led to you being off
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: the board? How did that transpire?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I sent an email. The email that
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 9: I shared, there was one response from a board member
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 9: saying that they agree in terms of procedure, a board
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: vote should happen. There's another response from the person who
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 9: asked for this process to begin with, simply saying I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: don't think Nico wants a debate and I desist from
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: responding the board. Shair didn't respond, and the next morning,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: in fact, told me that my term limit was up,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: and then I was no longer a board member and
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: that was it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: That was the only communication.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: But then they did have a vote, right, they did
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: have a vote.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: They did have the vote.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 9: The vote cost so the definition and thinking the toss
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: wares isn't happening anymore.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: U Nika. I have a question because I see a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: lot of the pro Israel design is crowd trying to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: label some of these journalists as combatants. Now. They use
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: pictures of press sitting on top of tanks and things
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: like that. As we've seed he's a combatant, So I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: wanted to know, like how you define combatant versus journalist?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: And I also did want to share an image of
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Douglas Murray and Deborah Messing who did right around with
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: some tanks with Israel. And if we're to go by
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: the definition of being near or around tanks, then aren't
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Douglas Murray and Deborah Messing free game as well?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: I leave that up to CBJ, but but I really
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: do think the.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 9: Process and it's something for which there should be an
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 9: and actually is an open methodology that's being refined, that's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: being reviewed to make sure that it captures these really
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: difficult gray areas quite carefully.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: And it's for that.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: Reason that defining redefining the very parameters of what is
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: a journalist would undo all of that work and categorically
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: mean that almost all Palestinians on the database would be removed.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 9: And so we can talk about these individual cases and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: the validity of their exclusion, but I think it's more
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: significant to consider the politically motivated entire reimagination of the term.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: That's a good point. There is really no significant political
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: faction inside of Gaza that has not been designated by
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: either the US or Israel as a terrorist organization. And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: those are the organizations that have kind of media operations.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: And so if you're going to freelance, and a lot
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: of them freelance for Western outlets and then also for
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: local outlets, if you're gonna do that, you're gonna have
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: you're it's almost impossible not to work with somebody that
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Israel considers to be a terrorist. I'm just curious, and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: maybe you don't know the answer to this. Do you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: know if CPJ considers stars and Stripes which is the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: American kind of newspaper. I would assume that those are
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: journalists and not combatants.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure, but I do know.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: That's farmed and it was on the board at some station,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 9: and that's a state backed outlet.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, So Voice of America gets to qualify as journalism,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: which they should. I don't think you should be able
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: to kill somebody at Voice of America. And also oftentimes
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: these journalists are killed in tents, so and they're killed
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: in tents that are known to be ware. The journalists
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: operate outside of Nazar Hospital and other places. So was
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: your term supposed to be over? What was the what
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: was the what were the actual details of that?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I was emailed that my three year
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 9: term was over, and then the board chair said in
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: a media interview that my five year term was over,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: and I looked and it is a five year term,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: and it technically is over, but according to the bylaws,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 9: I should remain being a board member until a replacement
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: is selected. And I'm not aware of a replacement, so
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: you there's a chance of It's just interesting timing that
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: it was brought to me this way, and it was
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: brought to me in lieu of a response to what
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: I'd written.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: I think nominare no. I think like who would annoy
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: them more than than stagger? They'd all resign, they'd all quit.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: I like that idea.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: Nika.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: My last question for you is, and again maybe I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: don't know how much insight you have into this, but
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  Speaker 2: I suspect this wasn't a one off pressure campaign from Zionists.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Why do you think that, I mean this kind of obvious,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: but why do you think they're so sensitive to these numbers?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: To me, that's very telling that they you know, that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: they care that this looks so incredibly bad for Israel?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: And how significant has that that pressure campaign and how
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: long has that been going on?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I think we have to ask why is
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 9: the world's leading press freedom organization at this time reevaluating
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 9: who is a journalist when the legitimacy of Palestinian journalists
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 9: is being questioned in mass And why is Honest Reporting
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: being cited? Why does Honest Reporting have offices in Tel Aviv?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: Why did the IDF tweet that this I told you
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 9: so when this all went down. I mean, these are
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: really important questions. But I also think that CPJ's board
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: is comprised almost entirely of leaders of mainstream media New
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: York Times, Fox News, NBC. The list goes on, and
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: these are organizations whose complicity in the ongoing genocide is
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: really being highlighted and emphasized.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: Also the IDF, I wonder if I can find it.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: The IDF even tweeted at Uniqua Ace a bizarre SpongeBob
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: meme that did happen, like the IDF's official count throwing
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: a SpongeBob mean at you, which I didn't quite even understand.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: I'm like, maybe the IDF is a lot younger than me.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: I was like, what idea Canada account are we looking at?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: We'll add it to the link show. But well, I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: can't find it right now. But it's like, what on
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: earth is going on here?
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  Speaker 5: Well, and I just want actually to get this the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: question that Crystal asked home this was got heard of
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: theovon and Republican Senator John Kennedy on Theo's podcast this
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Week and theopressed Republican Senator John Kennedy on death of
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: Journalists and you didn't want to kill the number and.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 13: We but but but Hamash would Hamash would hold the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 13: Gossians hostage, that it would put them out front.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: But how do we know that they killed?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: But they killed two hundred and twenty something journalists that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: went there to document what was going on.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 13: There's no question they would a civilian disk.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: They wouldn't let journalists in to even document what was happening.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 13: They have been civilian dish.
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  Speaker 6: But it is primarily the fault and.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: So what you see with that is just obviously the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: stakes for Israel right now are very high when you
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: have Theovonne pushing a Republican senator and the senator has
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: no good response to that.
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  Speaker 7: Nica, absolutely, I think we're at a critical moment.
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  Speaker 9: So I'm grateful for the board's decision, and I think
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: it was the right one.
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  Speaker 4: That's indeed. Well, Nika, thanks for taking some time this
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  Speaker 4: morning to join us.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks, thank you everyone.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it, talk to you later.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: While we're exploring the vast dangerous world of journalism, there
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: has been a story that Ryan has been looking at
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: with the Intercept and their tip line, which correct me
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: if I'm remember, Ryan was recently hacked for a period
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: of maybe even a couple of months. Now, what does
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: that mean for the Intercept? What does that mean for
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: all of the sources and people that potentially have been
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: submitting to this tip line, and maybe your thoughts on
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: who would have hacked it.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately, not that recently as far as we can tell.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: It's been going on for quite some time. So back
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: up and people can read the details at dropsite. So basically,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: the Intercept has a as many news organizations do have
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: a has a Signal tip line that people can send
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: in and in tips if you don't check a signal account.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: So this is something everybody who has Signal should know.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: If you don't check a signal account for some set
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: of time, it might be a year, We're not exactly sure.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: We're trying to get this information from Signal, it becomes
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: dormant and then somebody else can claim it. So somebody
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: went in and claimed the intercepts signal account which I
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: think the Intercept dot one, and started messaging and start
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: and also set up a I'll show you this, also
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: set up a Twitter account that was and here here
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: That was.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: They said they were the Intercept's kind of investigative intake sides.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: So this this fake account here and then this is
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: me reaching out to them. Would underneath a tweet by
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: the White House or Chuck Schumer or Jim Jordan would say,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: if you have more information on this, reach out to
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: the Intercept at the intercept dot qu one signal. And
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: then if you went to the Intercept's website, it would
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: say on their how to Leak that that was in
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: fact their signal account. And so this went on for
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: many months until until they recently discovered. Our understanding is
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: you know, we can I think we're going to learn
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: more about how exactly they discovered it. But all of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: a sudden they're like, oh, we don't. We don't have
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: access to our tip line anymore, which also shows by
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: the way, they would have realized that if they went
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: to check it at any point in the past so years,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: so you would go in and check it. So they
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: told us in a statement that they don't have any
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: information that any sources have been were compromised. Problem is
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't necessarily know whether or not a source was
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: compromised because the source is going directly to this third party,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: which is then going kind of back and forth with
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: them and maybe soliciting information, soliciting their identity.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: At first.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: So when they finally learned and let me put this.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: When they finally learned what had happened, I'll put this
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: back up. They put a rather innocuous sounding whereas it
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: a rather innocuous sounding update on their Twitter account. Oh
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: this is yesterday they had a virtual training session on
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: protecting your personal data. Not so sure about it.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I might skip that one.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: So they said this basically, and they put this out
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: on Twitter as well. They said, in keeping with security
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  Speaker 4: best practices, we have updated our signal tip line. If
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: you want to contact the Intercept, please get in touch
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: with our reporters individually or use the signal account the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: Intercept Underscore tips dot one. Please do not use the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: username Theintercept dot one. And then then they say the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: username the Intercept Underscore Tips dot O one is up
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: to date as of June thirtieth and is the only
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: place to reach the Intercepts institutional signal account.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: They got to change the handle a little bit more
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: than that, right, that's like a typo like it's too close.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Got to do something else now, Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: And the Intercept dot O one is still engaging with
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: people with the Intercept's logo on it. Hal All Flow
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: reached out to them and is in communication with them today.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: He was just texting me that, like they're they're still in,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: they're still using and they said and they're saying, yes,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: this is the intercept, please please send your secure information here.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: We guarantee you anonymity. So to me, the Intercept really
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: this that this is not enough to say, in keeping
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: with security best practices, we've updated our tip line is
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: not enough. What they need to do is to publicly say,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: if you have communicated with the Intercept's signal tip line
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: in the past x months and they need to figure
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: out when the last time they checked it was, then
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: just be aware that you may know you were communicating
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: with somebody other than the Intercept. Like that needs to
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: be what they say.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Publicly humiliating for a news organization because that the reason
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: they don't want to say that is because that requires
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: fussing up to like, yeah, we just don't really check
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: the tip line. That sort of news gatherings just not
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: really priority for us, apparently. I mean, that's just humiliating. Ryan,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: did it feel to you when you were interacting with
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: this person who is impersonating the interceptor? The responses feel
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: sort of AI, did that come across to you or no?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: Either Ai or English as a second language. Yeah, we
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: like if you check when they were responding people that
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: it's and the account is link linked to Hong Kong Twitter.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: You can't necessarily trust Twitter on this. But it also
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: aligns with Hong Kong slash Beijing's time zone. Now maybe
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: they're at night Oul, but like if they're doing work hours,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: it's it's in the Hong Kong Beijing time zone. So
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: it struck me probably more as as English as a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: second language because there's a delay in the response where
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: you usually if it's Ai, you're gonna get it late
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: right away.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: That makes sense, but.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: It's still going. So the way to actually fix this,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: even though the Intercept doesn't seem intent on taking it
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: as seriously as I think they should, would be for
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: everybody to just message the Intercept dot o one with
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: fake tips and just make that account unusable to the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: Chinese person who who's using it now. So just just
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: send them pictures, send send them, send them whatever you want.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: Just tie them up until.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: The videos of Hailey Stevens can't.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: Yes say I got a huge tip on the Michigan
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: Senate race.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Get together your best schizo posts and your.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: Way just like flood them and garbage. But also signal
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: if you're watching, shut that account down. The intercept dot
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: one is fraudulently soliciting tips pretending to be the intercept
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: And also if your source, do not leak to that
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: account like also that check anyway.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: So I'm leaking all of my fake tips about Sager
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: and Jetty to the intercept one.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: Excellent.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, if everyone for Breaking Points could send a meme
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: of Sager hitting the bong to this intercepts probably one
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: most useful way to use that imagery right now for journalism.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: All right, that was our.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Actually like legit if if Soger did get caught like
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: being a pothead, that actually would be news. That's news
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: for sure, that would actually be news.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Ye, our signal lines remain uncompromised for any entrepre rising
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: audience members. All right, So that was our uh, that
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: was our look at the wide world of journalism. Up next,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: we have a candidate, William Lawrence. Why don't we talk to.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Him joining us now, is a Democratic candidate for Michigan's
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: seventh district, Lansing and the surrounding kind of mid Michigan area.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: Will Lawrence will thank you for being here.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 14: Thank you so much, Ryan, I'm glad to be here.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: And so Will is in a competitive Democratic primary against
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: two other more kind of centrist opponents and for the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: privilege of taking on incumbent Republican Tom Barrett. So you know,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: if Will is able to win, will be this interesting
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: test of whether kind of the populist wing can also
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: flip red seats in a similar way that Randy Vegas
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: is trying to prove over in California. But we wanted
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: to start by playing for you this this super viral
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: clip of a very animated Alex carp the CEO of
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: of Pallenteer and then and then we'll get into this.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: If people haven't seen this, this full clip, it's it's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: it's quite something. But let's play a little bit of
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: it now, Griffin, We got that, who owns the data?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 15: Where is it cashed? Are the prompts secure? Is this
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 15: being transferred to you? Are you being comp okay? If
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 15: it was so valuable, Let's say I can make you
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 15: a billion dollars right tomorrow. Wouldn't I say I'll make
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 15: you a billion dollars and I want thirty Why are
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 15: they charging for tokens if it's so valuable.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: So then Alex, if the key from what I'm hearing
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: you say is a secure American born open source model,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: how quickly can your model compete with the frontiera.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Now what I'm.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 15: Saying, AI, Okay, what I am claiming obviously slightly true
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 15: but slightly self centered, is it's the model plus an
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 15: application layer plus compute.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 12: It is really all three.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 15: So in our jargon, it's the value the reason.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 14: Okay, just look at our financials.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 15: The reason why everyone is chillaxing with bad financials and
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 15: growth with while losing money is the client refuses to
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 15: pay the true costs. The two places that actually make
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 15: money like profit free cash flow are our application layer
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 15: called ontology and compute. Okay, what I am not just
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 15: claiming We can take an open model and in the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 15: classified or non classified context get it to the point
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 15: of a frontier model. But a you control the weights.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 15: So what is the true cost? Not just what you're paying.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 15: The true cost is not just is what you make
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 15: minus what you lose, meaning the value of your business.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 15: But we can get the frontier application to be exactly
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 15: the same as a frontier model without the risk of
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 15: transferring alpha of your business to another.
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  Speaker 4: Well, basically what he's saying there is related to Palenteer's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: recent struggles. A bunch of countries around the world have
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: started to tell Palenteer, including France. I think the UK's
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: NHS is reviewing, France's kicking them out, Germany's kicking them out.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: A bunch of countries are saying, wait a minute, we
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: don't want this closed American AI inside what he's calling
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: their alpha, like you know, their alpha is their business there,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: the whole point of their business. And he's worried that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: the US companies are going to go in basically steal
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: it and run it and can flick a switch and
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: turn it off. And so this closed model approach that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: the US has been taking versus the Chinese open approach
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: is turning out to be a very expensive and very
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: incorrect be The open stuff also needs much less compute,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: which also then means means many fewer data data centers. Meanwhile,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: we are pumping endless amounts of money into building more
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: and more data centers. Any reaction to CARPS kind of
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: self motivated and I think actually fairly accurate in some ways.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Common incoherent, but maybe accurate, yes.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Right, and and how it fits and how it fits
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: into your campaign, which picked up a lot of attention
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: over the past week for your first television ad, you know,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: standing up against the development of a local data center
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: in Michigan.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: Well, I think Karp is always very clarifying when he's
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 8: in the news because what he's clear about is that
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 8: this is fundamentally for the powerful technology of surveillance and warfare.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: So of course there are sovereignty questions that are coming
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: up when that is what the technology is being used for.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 8: And that's what Palneers proprietary software is designed to do,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: is to help powerful people to surveil and make war.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 8: And you know, the Pope said in his encyclical on
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: AI that the AI is making the to kill is
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 8: now as easy as snapping your fingers. In fact, you
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: don't even need to snap the fingers. You can have
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 8: the computer snap the fingers for you. That's what was
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 8: at stake in the debate between Anthropic and the d
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 8: O D. Right, is the computer press the but or
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 8: do we want the computer to line everything up, calibrate
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 8: the target and then you still require a human to
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: press the button. That's you know, that's an important distinction.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 8: But the bigger picture we need to be clear on
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 8: here is that this is this is a tool of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: surveillance and warfare that is being used to track all
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 8: of us. And so when I'm here in the ground
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 8: in Michigan and we're talking to people who are fighting
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 8: against these data centers, you know, the local company officials,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 8: they come into town and they sign the township elected
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: ord members and whatnot to non disclosure agreements, and then
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 8: they come forward and they say like, oh, you know,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 8: this is the wave of progress for the twenty first
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 8: century and you're going to miss out on it if
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 8: you don't take this deal and allow this behemoth data
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: center to be built in your front yard. And folks
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: are saying, well, what progress are you talking about? I mean,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: you're talking about the ability to surveil us. You're talking
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 8: about the ability to kick ten million people out of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 8: their jobs, which we're also hearing amoday, and you know,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: so many others. And there are people who believe that,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 8: you know, the ai IS could be used for the best,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 8: and you know, I'm someone who believes we could be
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 8: using it to make biomedical advances and curing cancer and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 8: things like that. But what's clear is that under the
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 8: current leadership and the current incentive system. It's going to
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 8: be used for surveillance, warfare and as a mass unemployment machine,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 8: and people don't want to have any part of that.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and play your ad that captured
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: so much attention. And I'll just add to this. I
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: did a monologue this week, but in Utah, I'm sure
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: you were following the saga of this Kevin O'Leary backed
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: hyperscale data center in rural Utah. Local people did not
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: want this. There didn't matter got ran through by the politicians. Well,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: the state Senate president just lost his seat in a
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: massive backlash to this data center. Two out of the
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: three counting commissioners, the only two that were on the ballot,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: also lost their seats for greenlighting the regulatory regime that
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: would enable this data center as well. So I think
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: these politics are very potent. Let's go ahead and take
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: a look at your opening here.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Will Lawrence and tech billionaires want to turn this
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 8: whole field into a massive data center that'll jack up
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: our energy bills and ruin our home values.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: They put that in, it's going to plummet the values.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: It's an existential threat.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 8: I'm running for US Confas because I've never been afraid
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 8: to stand up corporate power. I'm backed by Bernie Sanders
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 8: and I don't take a dime from corporate packs.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: Well, Lawrence isn't going to let us be bullied by
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: big corporation.
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  Speaker 14: I'm Will Lawrence, and I approve this message.
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  Speaker 2: So what has been a response to this ad? And also, I,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: you know, find it noteworthy that not only you, but
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Abdulah Sayad are touting your Bernie Sanders endorsements in the state.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: You know this after Bernie's been painted as this fringe character.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: The polls tell a very different story about his popularity.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: So I'm just interested in what the backstory is, why
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: you decided to launch with this ad in this particular
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: makeup with the response to it has.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 8: Been, Yeah, well just on Bernie, I'll say, you know,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: people love Bernie. People who had never voted for him
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty are now coming around
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: to the truth of his message. I hear that every
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 8: single day on the campaign trail. But the data centers
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: was not something I expected to be talking about when
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 8: I got into this campaign last August. But we've had
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: a wave of data centers proposed all across the state
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: of Michigan thanks to some tax incentives that were passed
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 8: on a bipartisan basis at the state level several years ago.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 8: And again, how the playbook usually goes is that the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 8: residents are the last to find out. The local elected
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 8: officials have been signed to non disclosure agreements, and then
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 8: the pr agents and the lawyers come in and they say, everybody,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 8: this is a great deal.
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  Speaker 14: Just trust us.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 8: The utility companies have assured us that your rates will
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 8: not rise. There might be some inconvenience, but this is
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 8: just the price that we all have to pay for progress.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 8: So get on board. And people say, why would we
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 8: trust you. You've given us no reason to trust you.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 8: This was negotiated under an NBA. The utility monopolies are
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: completely untrustworthy. Sam Altman and Musk and Alex carp and
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 8: there Elk do not ex actually seem like the most
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 8: morally upstanding characters. I mean, all men'sone colleagues call him
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: a pathological liar. So people say, we've got good reasons
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 8: to doubt whether this is a good deal. And then
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: normally the LATINX line is like, well, don't you idiots
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 8: know that you don't have any better options because you
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 8: don't got a lot of money out here. We've got
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: billions upon billions of dollars in California, and if you
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: don't get this investment now, it's the last bet, best
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: option you're going to get, and you're going to be
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: left behind for the rest of the century. That goes
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 8: over like a lead balloon, and people say, hey, actually,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 8: we kind of like our town the way it is,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: and we might want some things to change, but we
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 8: want to be part of that change, because that's what
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 8: democracy and self determination means. And what you're offering us
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 8: looks a lot like a con job and you're acting
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: like bullies.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: And I've been on mute because it sounds like a
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: war zone here in DC because if you hear, if
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: you start hearing like fighter jets in the background, blame Trump. Yeah,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: He's like, there's clearly something going on up.
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  Speaker 3: It's a data center.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's just the beautiful, al lullabit hum of
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: the of the data center in the background. But will
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: the question I wanted to ask is I think a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: lot of people, my fellow conservatives look at candidates that
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: are aligned with Bernie DSA candidates, folks running in flippable
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: districts perhaps or red areas, and make the mistake of
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: thinking that because there are some cultural positions that might
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: be like disagreed on by some of the folks even
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: that you're talking to in that video, that might be
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: like there we go with the fighter jets. That might
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: be a little bit of a barrier. But I think
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: when the economy doesn't feel good, and as we were
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: talking about earlier wages not keeping up with inflation and
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: the show that I think my theory here is, and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: I'm curious what you make of this. People prioritize someone
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: who has their economic interests and can kind of get
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: over some of the cultural differences they might have on
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: issues that are related to like maybe immigration, maybe I
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: those types of things. And I just want to I'm
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: curious if that's the response that you've got, because this
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: data center is really the data center who's really unil
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: like people across parties are on that and if you
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: can talk to them about something like this, you can
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: build trust. And so basically that's just the theory. I
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: wanted to lay out layout for you and see what
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: you think. You're totally right, You're on the money.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 8: People feel like so angry at the leadership of both
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: parties for rolling out the red carpet for big tech.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 8: This is something that Trump has been all on board for.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 8: It's something that our governor, Gretchen Whitmer has been all
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 8: on board for. And people see that. People see how
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 8: our congressional delegation and our state legislators have also been
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: silent or at worse, actively abetting these data centers coming
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 8: into our communities. So in that context, it's just reinforcing
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: what we already know, which is that people feel ripped
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 8: off by both political parties. People feel that both parties
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 8: are in league with the billionaires in Silicon Valley and
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 8: Wall Street more than they give a damn about the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 8: working class or regular people across Michigan. And when somebody
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: just shows up and is willing to listen and say, hey,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: you're not crazy for fearing this behemoth data center coming
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: into your front yard, and you shouldn't take kindly to
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: people coming in and lecturing to you about why it's
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 8: actually a great thing. People respond well to that, and
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 8: that's why I'm earning trust of people of all political
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 8: persuasions across the district who are impacted by this issue.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: Now, I want to play one more clip from this
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: Alex Karp interview because I thought it was extraordinarily revealing
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: and you kind of have to listen closely if you're watching.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: But what he says is that he's super angry at
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: the sam Altmans of the world who have been talking
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: about the unemployment apocalypse that AI is going to bring about,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: not because it's not true necessarily, but because what it's
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: going to do is allow the public to create a
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: wealth tax on billionaires because they're going to be so scared.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: So listen to how he frames this.
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  Speaker 15: These people are livid. They're like, I am paying for
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 15: tokens that create no value. These people are stealing the
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 15: weights and alpha of my business, and they're creating a
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 15: wealth tax that does not help the poor. It just punishes.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 15: Starts with the billionaires. Every single person at this table
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 15: is going to be paying a wealth tax only to
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 15: punish us. And the reason for it is because these
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 15: models have been completely over irresponsibly oversailed, and the sale
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 15: is it's dangerous for everyone, which is why I can
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 15: give it to all your adversaries. But I can't give
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 15: it to a Department of Wark, or I can't safely
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 15: give it to an enterprise in this country without being
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 15: certain that the alpha that business could transfer to this moment.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: So what he's saying is, because you've overhyped AI and
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: told the public that one hundred million people are going
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: to go out of get thrown out of work, they're
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: going to tax your wealth. First of all, would you
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: do you support a wealth tax? And do you think
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: he's actually right that the mood among the public is
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: actually getting ripe to say, you know what, this is
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: unsustainable and obscene. We need to tax these guys.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 8: I do support her well taxed because it is unsustainable
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 8: and obscene. I mean again, I'm an organizer and I'm
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 8: a public servant. I've spent my last five years most
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 8: focused on the housing crisis here in mid Michigan, and
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 8: you may be you may be surprised to hear that
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 8: even in Lansing, Michigan, the rent is way too damn high.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: I don't think there is an affordable place anywhere in
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 8: my district or anywhere in the country these days. Frankly,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: and I was just talking yesterday with a good friend
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: who I met because we were helping her to fight
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: a mass eviction with her neighbors, and she ended up
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 8: fighting that eviction, getting time and money to successfully relocate.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 8: But now her new landlord is raising her rent fifty
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 8: percent and she is going to have to She's not
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 8: going to be able to pay it. She's going to
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: have to go find a new place, and Lord knows
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 8: what's going to happen to her. I'm hoping that we
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 8: can help her find a place. But people are getting
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 8: pushed out onto the street. People are going deeply into debt,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 8: people are dying of preventable diseases because they can't afford
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 8: their healthcare. While we've got these billionaires getting richer than
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: anybody in the history of humanity and making their plans
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 8: to go off to space. This is not a sustainable
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: foundation for a society. We actually do depend on each
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 8: other still. These billionaires actually do depend on the working
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 8: class still, and they do depend on the relative peace
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 8: and harmony of the social fabric, so that people are
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 8: not bringing the pitchforks out into the streets because they
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 8: are so desperate to be fed and housed and to
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 8: ensure the same for their children and grandchildren. People can
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 8: see that it's not right and something is going to
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: have to give, because we're not just going to go
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 8: down lightly as these people, or at all of the
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 8: wealth of our society and take it away to Mars
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: with them.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: Will what other positions you know you said you didn't
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: want to start with data centers or you didn't think
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: that was going to be while you got into the race.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: What other positions are part of your campaign? And what
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: does the race look like right now? Are your opponents
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: going all in on pro AI mentioned a little bit
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: about that, sure, Well.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 8: You know, I got into this race because we need
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 8: to flip the district. This is one of the top
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: five swing districts that's going to determine control of the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 8: US House. It's a fifty to fifty even district and
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 8: it was formerly held by our now Senator Alyssa Slockin.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 8: When she moved up to the Senate, it flipped into
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: Republican's hands and we have a first term Republican named
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 8: Tom Barrett who has.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 14: Not done the job.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 8: But when I was working in DC as a co
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 8: founder of the Sunrise movement and fighting for the Green
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 8: New Deal and then the Build Back Better Agenda, I
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 8: heard what the corporate lobbyists said about districts like mine,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 8: the frontline swing districts. They said, basically, you know, we
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: can't extend the child tax credit because people in Michigan's
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 8: seventh district won't go for that. We can't have Medicare
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: for all, We can't block the bombs to Israel because
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: people in Michigan seven district and other frontline districts will
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 8: not go for that.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 14: That is a lie. It's a self serving lie.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: But that is one of the ways that the corporate
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 8: establishment on both sides of the aisle allows the status
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 8: quota to be maintained, is by telling these myths about
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 8: places like the place where I live. I know that
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 8: that's crap. We need to prove that it's crap by
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 8: winning with a populist progressive platform in a district like this,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 8: so that we can redefine what is possible in the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 8: United States Congress. And you know, one of the issues
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 8: that you know, so of course, it's the affordability, it's
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: the cost of living, it's housing, it's healthcare, it's protecting
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 8: social security.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 14: These are things I hear a lot about, and I've
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 14: been talking a lot about.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 8: But when I got into the race, you know, saying
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: no to war and really reevaluating our foreign policy was
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: one of my core convictions from the very beginning, because
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 8: again when I was at Sunrise Movement fighting for the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 8: Green New Deal and build back Better, I saw how
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 8: the bind administration, you know, specifically under the leadership of
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 8: Jake Sullivan, took up the whole idea, idea of you know,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 8: good green American jobs and green industrial policy, which I
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 8: stand by and still support. But then they added another
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 8: piece to it. They said, and therefore we must also
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 8: conquer China so that we can ensure American dominance worldwide
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 8: for the twenty first century in the economy.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 14: Of the future. And I was like, no, no, and
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 14: you need to go to we need to have a
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 14: shooting war.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 8: We need to have a shooting war in the Pacific
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: if that is required to maintain our unquestioned economic dominance.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 8: And this is just nothing could be more disastrous for
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 8: the American economy, for the American people, for the Chinese people,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 8: for the planet, or for humanity as a whole than
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 8: to think that we're going to go into some cold
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 8: war which then becomes a shooting war with China. We
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 8: need to reinvest in multi I mean, how about a
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 8: radical idea like multilateralism, diplomacy, dialogue, you know, being able
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 8: to actually solve problems with other nations around the world
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 8: that we don't agree with day of the week, but
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 8: we have to live with them in the same way
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: we have to live with our neighbors here in Lansing.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: We don't always agree with them, but we don't just
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: fire bomb each other's homes. So seeing how that progressive agenda,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 8: because I do believe that there was something good about
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 8: Biden's efforts to build a working class agenda, and he
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 8: did a lot to support unions, and his investment in
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 8: green industrial policy was significant, but that was all undone
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 8: by the hawkishness that pervaded his administration in the ways
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: I just mentioned, as well as and then especially the
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 8: blank check that was offered to Netanyahu to conduct the
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 8: genocide and Gazi. It destroyed the Democratic coalition. So if
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 8: we want to be able to win and keep winning
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 8: in the future for the American working class, we need
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 8: to bring a more sensible foreign policy into the center
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 8: of our politics, rather than thinking that we can just
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 8: focus on the domestic issues and let the warhawks and
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: the blob have their way with our foreign policy.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 14: It's just not going to work.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a little bit more about that,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: because obviously Gaza, the genocide in Gaza, has emerged as
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: a real moral litmus test in a lot of Democratic primaries.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: It was front and center in New York City, was
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: front and center with Malakiros and her ability to defeat
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Diana to get in Colorado. Are you seeing is it
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: a central question in your race as well? And where
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: do your opponents in the Democratic primary stand on that.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 8: It has been a central question. I mean, I remember
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: sitting in a meeting of the Clinton County Democratic Party
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: last October when I was just getting into the race.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: This is a relatively rural county north of Lansing. Democratic
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 8: Party activists mostly over the age of sixty five, many
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 8: of them over the age of seventy five, and almost
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: entirely white, deliberating in really good faith for like forty
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: minutes about the language of a resolution to condemn the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 8: blockade on Gaza in defense of the Palestinian children who
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 8: were starving there, and just really thinking about how do
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 8: we adequately express the humanity of these children and the
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 8: horror that we feel at our tax dollars being used
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 8: to send bombs and supporting this government which is maintaining
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 8: this blockade. And that was a real moment for me.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 8: I was like, wow, conversation has really changed because five
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 8: you know, three years ago, you would have never ever
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 8: ever heard that conversation in the Clinton County and now
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 8: it was one hundred percent focused on how do we
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 8: how do we express the humanity of these children and
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 8: the horror that we feel at the crimes being committed
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 8: in our name. So it's been like that, you know,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 8: since then. And it's true that the issue of gods
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 8: in particular kind of I think faded from the public
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 8: consciousness for a while, as so many other crises have
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 8: come to the four. But now the outrageous and disastrous
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: war in Iran which has started this spring, you know,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 8: had then brought the question of our entanglement with Israel,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: our alliance with the totally outrageous and aggressive Israeli foreign
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 8: policy as we went into this war where iron together,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 8: and that is also you know, I think, brought Palestine
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 8: back onto the forefront again. And my two opponents are
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  Speaker 8: hard pressed to even acknowledge the humanity of Palestinian people,
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  Speaker 8: they will not acknowledge it there as a genocide. We
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  Speaker 8: were asked that question straight up, yes or no at
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  Speaker 8: a forum, and the two of them talked around it
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  Speaker 8: for ninety seconds each without answering the question. Because you
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  Speaker 8: know they're working to leave the door open for support
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  Speaker 8: from Apak in their race.
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  Speaker 4: Well, well, yeah, the populist wing of the Democratic Party
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  Speaker 4: has always wanted kind of a people powered campaign with
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  Speaker 4: a moral center to be able to challenge a Republican
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  Speaker 4: incumbent and say no. This kind of politic can actually
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  Speaker 4: win in swing districts as well, so it looks like
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  Speaker 4: you may get a shot to do that in the general.
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  Speaker 4: We'll we'll keep following this race. But thank you for
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  Speaker 4: you know, taking some time on this on this Friday
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  Speaker 4: to join us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and where can people find you? I'm sure this
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  Speaker 3: is probably definitely resonated with a large part of our audience.
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  Speaker 3: You're speaking their language. So if people want to learn
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  Speaker 3: more about you, where can they go to find out?
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  Speaker 8: You can go to we will twenty twenty six dot
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  Speaker 8: com and we will twenty twenty six on all social
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  Speaker 8: media platforms.
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  Speaker 3: All right, thank you very much. Will We'll keep tracking
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  Speaker 3: your race.
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  Speaker 14: Pleasure you much for having me love the show. It's
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  Speaker 14: a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 4: All right. That was Will Lawrence and the primary is
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  Speaker 4: going to be on August fourth in Michigan. Pretty impressive guy,
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  Speaker 4: you got what do you think, Crystal?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely very thoughtful, very thoughtful. So, and I think
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  Speaker 2: what he identifies is also very critical because the knock
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  Speaker 2: now is like, oh, you guys can win in New
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  Speaker 2: York City, maybe you can win in Denver, Colorado, young progressive,
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  Speaker 2: you know audience there. But I don't know the type
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  Speaker 2: of Melissa Slotkin district in mid Michigan. Don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you can pull that one off. So I think I
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  Speaker 2: think it is important test in that regard.
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  Speaker 5: Well, also to have I mean, Sunrise is hardcore stuff.
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  Speaker 5: To do that in Michigan, you know where the auto
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: industry is historically psychologically so important.
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  Speaker 6: It's a pretty interesting experiment.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Well let's end it with just a quick
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  Speaker 3: rapid fire Ama. Of course, for anyone who's a new Emily,
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm getting an echo from you right now.
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  Speaker 3: It's the freaking headphone switched or something.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: No, nothing switched to You're probably hearing the Battle Britain
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: outside my window.
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  Speaker 3: The Battle of Britain. All right, let's do some rapid
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: fire AMA questions. Of course, you can submit a written
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: AMA question for the Fridays at the link in the emails.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: Let's start with Reggie Blader. What AI search engines would
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: you guys recommend based on the safety and privacy? I
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: am a casual user, but I cannot find good information
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: online about which models do a good job of protecting data.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: As such, I don't don't know.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: The answer to that. To be honest with you, I
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: guess I've given up on privacy.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: Is your data goodbye?
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I would be very cautious of the
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: agentic capabilities. I'd be really cautious about giving them access
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: to your email and your bank accounts and all the
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: stuff that's on off or now. I'm not there yet
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: in terms of turning them loose inside of that level
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: of personal stuff. But yeah, to to ask, you know,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: query various things do data analysis and stuff. I personally
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: am a CLAUD user. Yeah, wow, I'm personally a Claud user.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: I think their models are tend to be the best,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: the most effective. Grock tends to be the worst. In
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: my opinion, But I would say Claude and chat GPT
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: are kind of relatively on power in terms of their
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: their effectiveness.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: Trust any right left turn? Question from Joseph D. What's
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  Speaker 3: the last movie that you saw at the movie theater?
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: Anyone going to the theaters these days? The Minions Move
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: movie is out this weekend. I'm excited to see the Minions.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 6: Yes, Sames, I saw the movie I saw.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: I saw the Peaky Blinders movie.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: That was the last one I saw on theaters.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: Probably the last one I saw in the theaters was
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Wicked too, the last time I went to the theaters.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: I think that's alright.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: So Goat with the kids? How is that?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: That's excellent? Loved it? What about you got that plays basketball?
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: Classic formulation speaking of goat kind of goat related or
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: a different animal. The Sheep Detectives is an incredible related films.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: It genuinely it lives up to the hype.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: It is great. It's fun for the whole family. I cried.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: It's very emotional, it's very funny.
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  Speaker 15: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And it kind of harkens back to sort of a
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: more nineties or like early two thousands kid film where
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: there's some dark material and it's it's really it's really
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: something for everyone. So I highly recommend the Sheep Detectives film,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite films that I've seen, uh this year.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: And then let's do one more, one more fun one here. This,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: of course, comes from frequent questioner Sabas one oh one
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: Uh for the amazing BP with Trump's gay tendencies and behaviors,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: why haven't news outlets sent out only their best dressed
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: and good looking men that bit Trump's type to get
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: more honest answers? In an Ama months ago, Soccer said
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: he wore his best suit for his Trump interview, and
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: it proves that it works.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: Oh it does, No, it does?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: Now they should.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, how are you at drop site? How are
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: you guys thinking about Trump's bisexual tendencies?
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Julian gott to send Julian in there with a
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: nice fitted suit.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 6: Oh, he would be so impressed with Julian.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: He would.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: Look how tall this guy? Julian would get all the questions.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 6: He would be like this guy, he's like Baron.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like he has a real reaction though to
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: like the the uh. Uh sort of like tall, dark
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: and handsome.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: He loved the Syrian. You know, Jeelani was all about him.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Obviously loves Zoron, So I do feel like he has
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: a has a type you.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: Guys have, Jolannie. Maybe you guys disagree. Joelani is not
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: that hot.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: Look at this guy.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 14: I'm looking at him. I always wanted to look like that.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 15: I just didn't want to do the work.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Would anyone stop? You look good?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: I love that accounting about that, Jane Joannie, Come on,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: is he's not He's not that hot. He's like, he's fine.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: But maybe that Trump loves that doesn't come across.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: I liked him. When the Iranian men's soccer team, there
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: were like thirst traps for them all over the h
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: all over the timeline, and it was around the time
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: that the Memo of Understanding got signed and they were like,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: there you go. He saw that soccer team and was
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: like big stown guys, give him whatever they want.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: Or what he was talking about the LCC Egyptian president
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: and he was like did remember this one?
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: He was like in the hotel much longer than we
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: were supposed to.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: A pot of Sarah Marshall. Sarah Marshall is so good.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: He also just likes men Yeah, he likes men in
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: all types of uniforms. He loves sailors. So I think
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: we should dress Julian up in a little sailor outfit.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: And then I think, there you go. I think he'll say,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: clear the room, just one on one interview, take him,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: take Julian back to a hotel room.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he also he loves musicals. You know,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: there's just a there's a lot there, There's a lot theretics.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: He loves riding around in his golf cart that's been
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: tricked out with speakers. He has it connected to his iPad,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: which has his personal Spotify account on it, and then
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: he will bump his show tunes as he rides around
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: in the golf cart tricked out with Pat DJ.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: It's a hantim of the opera Cats.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 7: Aren't those some of his favorites?
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's nothing like it.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a day last fall I was walking
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: around I had pool duty. I was walking around the
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: White House outside and you could just gently hear in
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: the background show tunes blaring from the speakers.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: Trump share the marrow Lago playlist for everyone's Fourth of
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: July barbecue. We can all have a great American time.
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  Speaker 2: Happy fourth of July. Everybody stay safe out there in
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