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3-year-old tot girl begs Grandma not to go home, then 'mommy' and daddy murder her · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A three year old little girl,
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  Speaker 1: Olivia goes missing. What happened to Olivia? Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at KCTV five. We have an active amber alert
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  Speaker 1: just into the newsroom. This is for a missing three
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  Speaker 1: year old from Kansas City, Kansas. Greg Payne is live
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  Speaker 1: at the scene for us right now, and Greg, what
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  Speaker 1: can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe, As
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  Speaker 1: you had just mentioned that that Amber alert just went off.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody to hear at the scene their phones went off.
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  Speaker 1: Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing
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  Speaker 1: by parents early this morning and they contacted police at
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  Speaker 1: around eight thirty am. The young girl, Olivia and Jansen,
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  Speaker 1: was last seen wearing pajamas. At this time, police say
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  Speaker 1: it's too early to determine if she was taking a
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  Speaker 1: walk out of the home. The property extends quite a
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  Speaker 1: distance back off of Gifts Road and is wooded. The
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  Speaker 1: fire is out. Fire officials are out there with search
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  Speaker 1: and rescue dogs and police are continuing to search. Police
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  Speaker 1: say there was another scene, but it has been cleared.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't release the location of that scene of Police
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  Speaker 1: say at this time there's no threat to people living
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood right now, and if you do have
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  Speaker 1: any additional information, they encourage you to contact the Tips hotline. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I just learned a lot about missing three year old
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  Speaker 1: Olivia with me and All Star panel Ashley Wilcott, judge
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  Speaker 1: and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Where now it's like analyst joining me out of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. You can follow her at doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, clim online
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  Speaker 1: dot com, investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie, and special guests joining
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  Speaker 1: us Olivia's grandmother Elizabeth Jansen. But first I want you
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  Speaker 1: to hear how Olivia was reported missing. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to forty one Action News Emma Jangs. Please tell us
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  Speaker 1: this started when Olivia's father came into the station to
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  Speaker 1: report her missing at eight thirty this morning. They say
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  Speaker 1: he noticed she was gone and the front door was open.
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  Speaker 1: Around five thirty, so they're trying to figure out why
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  Speaker 1: it took several hours to make that report. Alice say,
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  Speaker 1: the last time her father saw her was around eleven
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  Speaker 1: last night. And we spoke with Olivia's a stepgrandmother today,
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  Speaker 1: who tells us she's heartbroken. She just wants Olivia home.
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  Speaker 1: She's she's she just messed. She's a beautiful little girl,
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  Speaker 1: sweet hybrid. She's just say she's my son. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we called each other. Some showing police are asking anyone
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  Speaker 1: with information to call their dismissed number or their tips hotline.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing our friends at forty one action used
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  Speaker 1: discussing when the little girl first goes missing. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jackson State University.
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  Speaker 1: Olivia goes missing from her own home, last seen around
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  Speaker 1: eleven o'clock the night before in her pj's. You know
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  Speaker 1: it does happen. For instance, Elizabeth Smart went missing from
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  Speaker 1: her home. Isabelle Seale went missing from her home. That's real.
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  Speaker 1: Polly Class Mark Klass's daughter went missing from her home,
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  Speaker 1: all abducted and killed, not Elizabeth, of course, by people
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  Speaker 1: unknown to the parents. So it does happen, but it's
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  Speaker 1: very rare. So what would you do to analyze a
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  Speaker 1: home to find clues of whoever abducted Olivia, a three
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  Speaker 1: year old little girl from her own home. Yeah. Look,
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  Speaker 1: if you're if people are thinking that this is an
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  Speaker 1: outside perpetrator, that somebody has entered the residents in order
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  Speaker 1: to snatch that little girl, and you're right, this does happen.
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  Speaker 1: You've got all these creepers that are out there that
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  Speaker 1: take an eye or take a liking to a small child.
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  Speaker 1: You would want to look and see if there were
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  Speaker 1: any signs of fourth century where screens pried off of
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  Speaker 1: the window, was the door locked, jimmied in any way?
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  Speaker 1: Did any of this stuff happen? You know? And at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you're failing that, then
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  Speaker 1: you have to look at people that are within the
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  Speaker 1: immediate circle who absolutely have total and complete access to
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  Speaker 1: this child, a three year old little child. And the
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  Speaker 1: reality is if the child quote wandered off on her own,
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  Speaker 1: how far could she get in her pj's out to
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  Speaker 1: Sierra Gillespie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sierra I
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  Speaker 1: heard the reporter on the same state that it was
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  Speaker 1: a big property and heavily wooded. What can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about it, Jean Nancy. So the area that she
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  Speaker 1: was in definitely was wooded. There could be different areas
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  Speaker 1: that she could have wandered off to. I mean, but again,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, this is a three year old girl.
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  Speaker 1: How far can she actually get? And what time did
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  Speaker 1: she actually leave the home? So if her father last
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  Speaker 1: saw her at eleven PM, we could assume that she
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  Speaker 1: had left sometime in the night early morning. Was it dark?
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  Speaker 1: How far is a little three year old girl going
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  Speaker 1: to get in the dark? And I mean, how far
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  Speaker 1: can she really walk on her own? Joining me is
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  Speaker 1: Olivia's grandmother, Elizabeth Jansen. She called police to do a
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  Speaker 1: welfare check. Elizabeth Jansen, thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: when you first heard that Olivia was missing. What did
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  Speaker 1: you think? I just knew that it was it was
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  Speaker 1: something bad for her father to be calling me when
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  Speaker 1: he called you. What did he say? Well, he called,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta call it at nine o'clock it was his
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  Speaker 1: phone ring and I didn't answer it. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh boy, no, no, And then at nine o two
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  Speaker 1: called me again. I was like, okay, something happened and
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  Speaker 1: I answered the phone and then he just started raining
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  Speaker 1: and raving about dad took Olivia. I've done everything I
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  Speaker 1: can to take care of her, and just ran in
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  Speaker 1: a raven. He told me he was gonna screw his
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  Speaker 1: dad and just crazy, and then I just said, I
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  Speaker 1: just hung up the phone and I called my husband.
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  Speaker 1: So what he was saying didn't make any sense at all. No,
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  Speaker 1: he's automatically blaming that his dad came and took her,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, no, she'd have been here all night.
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  Speaker 1: You know. That was the first time I'd heard from
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  Speaker 1: him since they kept her away from me. Why did
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  Speaker 1: they keep you, love Olivia, You've been a constant in
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  Speaker 1: her life. Why did they try to keep you away
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  Speaker 1: from your granddaughter. I think there was a lot of jealousy,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was a way to hurt us.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like him and Jackie were very mean, and
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  Speaker 1: Olivia loved us very much, and losing her mother, you know,
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  Speaker 1: temporarily she cleaned more to us than ever, and I
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  Speaker 1: think he really wanted to hurt us. You know, Miss Janson,
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  Speaker 1: my grandmother, Lucy, who I named my daughter after, helped
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  Speaker 1: raise me. We I would stay with my grandmother a
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  Speaker 1: lot because both my mom and dad were at work
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  Speaker 1: with ours. I mean, they didn't have any freedom to leave.
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  Speaker 1: My dad worked for the railroad and my mom worked
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  Speaker 1: in payroll. They couldn't just go, oh, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: need to take my daughter to girl Scout or I
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  Speaker 1: need to go home. She's got a fever. Nothing like that.
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  Speaker 1: My grandmother, Lucy, my mama take care of me and
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  Speaker 1: helped raise me. And I'm just trying to imagine your
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  Speaker 1: bond with little Olivia. So after he Howard Jansen calls
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  Speaker 1: you all upset? Now is he Olivia's bio dad? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: she resimbles him quite a bit. YEA. Now who is
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  Speaker 1: Jacklin Kirpatrick. How does she fit into this picture? Her?
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  Speaker 1: Olivia's mother was friends with her. But at that time,
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  Speaker 1: Olivia seems crazy about Jackie, really crazy, and Jackie seems
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  Speaker 1: to say, but as soon as it happened, when with
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  Speaker 1: Olivia's mother hitting that boy, hit and run, and she
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  Speaker 1: was a little out of her mind at the time.
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  Speaker 1: So then she went to jail and number Howard the
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  Speaker 1: third was always had to have a woman, and Jackie
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  Speaker 1: was there and that's where he went right. Britney was
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  Speaker 1: gone into the hum. No, no, no, no, no. She
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  Speaker 1: lived with her father and her three kids and on
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  Speaker 1: Ottawa Street, and he moved in with them right away
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  Speaker 1: and the baby, and I thought everything was gonna be
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  Speaker 1: just fine because she seemed to really being crazy about Olivia.
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  Speaker 1: Olivia seemed crazy about her. And then just things started
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  Speaker 1: getting kind of weird, you know, And I started watching
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  Speaker 1: him and we didn't fear almost every day, and then
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  Speaker 1: March sixth, at two oh seventy was the last time
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  Speaker 1: I've seen her. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about a beautiful little girl, Olivia, Olivia, three
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  Speaker 1: years old, goes missing. Let's go to cut one CASEYTV
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  Speaker 1: five news anchor Joe Shiodo, Reporter Greg Pahey, we have
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  Speaker 1: an active amber alert just into the newsroom. This is
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  Speaker 1: for a missing three year old from Kansas City, Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Payne is live at the scene for US right now.
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  Speaker 1: And Greg, what can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe,
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  Speaker 1: as he had just mentioned that that Amber alert just
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  Speaker 1: went off. Everybody here at the scene their phones went off.
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  Speaker 1: Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing
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  Speaker 1: by parents early this morning and they contacted police at
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  Speaker 1: around eight thirty am. The young girl Olivia and Jansen
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  Speaker 1: was last seen wearing pajamas. At this time, police say
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  Speaker 1: it's too early to determine if she was taken a
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  Speaker 1: walk out of the home. The property extends quite a
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  Speaker 1: distance back off of Gifts Road and is wooded. Clier
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  Speaker 1: is out Fire officials are out there, search and rescue
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  Speaker 1: dogs and police are continuing to search. Police say there
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  Speaker 1: was another scene, but it has been cleared. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: release the location of that scene. Of Police say at
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  Speaker 1: this time there's no threat to people living in the
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood right now. That's very interesting that the dad goes
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  Speaker 1: to the police station to report she's missing instead of
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  Speaker 1: calling nine one one to get the search going. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of Olivia Jansen straight to Sierra Gillespie,
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. So he says, the dad,
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  Speaker 1: let me understand the timeline. He says, he hasn't seen
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  Speaker 1: her since the night before at eleven pm when she
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  Speaker 1: went to bed, and then what time does he get
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  Speaker 1: to the police station the next day? Yeah, Nancy, the
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  Speaker 1: timeline for this I think is very important. So, as
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  Speaker 1: you said, eleven pm on Thursday, that's the last time
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  Speaker 1: he says that he saw her. Then I have several reports.
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  Speaker 1: One thing he woke up at about five thirty and
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  Speaker 1: another thing he woke up at about six thirty in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. Either way, sometime early in the morning is
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  Speaker 1: when he woke up. He says that the front door
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  Speaker 1: was open, and he says that's when he realized Olivia
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  Speaker 1: wasn't around. But it took him until about eight thirty
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  Speaker 1: in order to actually physically go to the police station
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  Speaker 1: and say, my daughter is missing, report her missing. So
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  Speaker 1: it really took quite some time for him to physically
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  Speaker 1: go there. And again that's the big question is why
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  Speaker 1: did he go to the station. Why didn't he dial
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  Speaker 1: nine one one immediately right when he woke up to see, hey,
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  Speaker 1: she isn't here. We need help right away. And to you,
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jansen, this is Olivia's grandmother, isn't it true? He
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  Speaker 1: Olivia's bio dad, Howard Jansen called you. Howard Jason a
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  Speaker 1: third called me in the morning at nine o'clock and
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  Speaker 1: then at nine o two. Then he also called his father,
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  Speaker 1: Howard Janson the second rating and writing this, okay, when
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  Speaker 1: you're saying Howard two and Howard three, Howard two is
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  Speaker 1: my husband. He's the good one. He's a papa. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I call one of my grandfather's papa. So
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  Speaker 1: Howard three is your son? Used to be used to
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  Speaker 1: move my stepson? Ah, your stepson? So he's not your
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  Speaker 1: biosn Is that correct? Thankfully? Yes? How long have you
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  Speaker 1: known Howard three? Because he was two? What's his personality?
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  Speaker 1: How did he turn into such a let's see individual? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was. He was raised with all the best plastics,
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  Speaker 1: food to put in his mouth. I mean we just
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  Speaker 1: weren't rich, but he had everything. Um, what's he's got
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  Speaker 1: older and started babbling into drugs And I'm not blaming
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  Speaker 1: the drugs he used this way, Uh mean hateful, quick, temper, crude, rude,
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  Speaker 1: small animals children? Just are you through a looch? Did
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  Speaker 1: you say it means too small to animals? Um? Just
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  Speaker 1: abusive if they made a mess on the floor or something.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he had to be pulled away a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times from hurting a small dog at one point,
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  Speaker 1: and that concern me. Yeah. Straight out to doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall psycho analysts joining us out of Beverly Hills at
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall Dot com right there, Bethany, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: right there, all sorts of alarms are going off in
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  Speaker 1: my head. Okay, So the other night, you know, fat boy,
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  Speaker 1: yes they do. John David was hugging him so tight
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  Speaker 1: he nipped John David's ear. It didn't, of course, didn't bleed,
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  Speaker 1: but it scared him. And John David got so upset
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  Speaker 1: when his father, David whacked the dog on the rear
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  Speaker 1: end with a magazine. It was the Economist, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not very thick at all. He whacked him. Do you know,
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  Speaker 1: both children started crying because their dead. And this is
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  Speaker 1: after the dog and I understand what happened. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's a he's a mutt, but he's kind of a doxam.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a little monster doxin. And he
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  Speaker 1: hugged him so tight that anyway on John David's ear,
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  Speaker 1: and so David comes and WAPs him on the rear
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  Speaker 1: end with at Everybody started crying, getting upset about the dog.
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  Speaker 1: Forget about John David, my son. But that's just anecdotal.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is when a child, even a child,
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  Speaker 1: starts mistreating an animal, that's a red bell of alarm, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge it's a it's a three bell alarm fire.
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  Speaker 1: I get the same. But cruelty to animals in childhood
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  Speaker 1: is a predictor of sociopathic personality, juvenile delinquency, cruelty in adulthood.
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  Speaker 1: It's the number one thing we look at when we
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  Speaker 1: see an adult criminal. If they have cruelty to animals
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  Speaker 1: in childhood, then we begin to know that the criminality
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  Speaker 1: is a part of their own personality or their genetics,
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  Speaker 1: their own psychological makeup, rather than something situational, like say
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  Speaker 1: they stole something because they were hungry and they needed food.
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  Speaker 1: It's more that, no, they are a criminal. There's all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of things I'm hearing about Howard the Third that
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  Speaker 1: are very alarming to me. The fact that she called
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  Speaker 1: Olivia's grandmother and was speaking sort of nonsense, gobbledygook speech.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, when people do that, they're always trying
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  Speaker 1: to cover something up. Haven't you learned that? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: haven't you seen that with individuals when they're lying or
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  Speaker 1: something's not quite right, they talk nonsense, so you can't
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  Speaker 1: really understand what they're saying. The fact that Howard's Third
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  Speaker 1: alienated little Olivia from her own grandmother speaks volumes of
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  Speaker 1: his cruelty to the grandmother and cruelty to little three
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  Speaker 1: year old little Olivia who needed her grandmother so much.
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  Speaker 1: He also seems like a very jealous, envious man. I
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  Speaker 1: think missus Jansen is right that he alienated Olivia from
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  Speaker 1: her just because he was jealous that Olivia loved her grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: So we have all kinds of red flags about Howard
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  Speaker 1: the Third's personality to Elizabeth's chance. And this is Olivia's grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true that Olivia begged you not to have
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  Speaker 1: to go back to her dad's house. Yes, that's oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, that's one that's every day. I could do that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a little frown and not not at me. I'd be bad.
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  Speaker 1: I'd come back and told him called teke her friend
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  Speaker 1: me anyway. You know, I never would have imagined this,
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  Speaker 1: Never when when she begged you not to go back.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the times here and what would you say
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  Speaker 1: to her? I told her, my door is always open,
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  Speaker 1: I am always here waiting for her. Um that I'd
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  Speaker 1: always be here. And I was hitting the door jam
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  Speaker 1: on the wall, and I told her, I said, anybody
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  Speaker 1: keeps you away from me, I'll hurt them and that
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  Speaker 1: would always make a kind of smile. And I told
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  Speaker 1: her being Papa are always papas at the shop and
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  Speaker 1: Memha's at the house on Sunshine Street. That's what she
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  Speaker 1: called it, Sunshine Street. She called where you live Sunshine Street.
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  Speaker 1: We me and her called each other sunshine She called
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  Speaker 1: Papa hin Um, but we always said it with Sunshine
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  Speaker 1: Streets that we lived on Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about a three year old little girl, Olivia Jansen,
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  Speaker 1: who goes missing in the middle of the night. This
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  Speaker 1: is a major clue. Take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: at forty one Action News Ariel Rothfield. Neighbors and family
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  Speaker 1: members tell us off camera this is where Olivia lived
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  Speaker 1: in a home up the street with her father and
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend and has been living here since the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the year. Now, on Facebook, Olivia's father wrote he
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  Speaker 1: plans on marrying his girlfriend on July fourth. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: been able to confirm that was official. Now, police do
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  Speaker 1: tell us that the father is at police headquarters and
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  Speaker 1: is cooperating. K Nines have been brought to both locations
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  Speaker 1: in order to help search for Olivia. This neighborhood right
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  Speaker 1: here is merrily residential, where home's back up to one another.
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  Speaker 1: We do know that police towed a silver car from
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  Speaker 1: this neighborhood earlier. Today police would not explain why or
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  Speaker 1: how the car was related to this investigation. But again,
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of missing pieces and moving parts
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  Speaker 1: to this investigation. And of course anybody with any information
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  Speaker 1: about Olivia or might have seen or heard anything is
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  Speaker 1: asked to call nine one one immediately. You know, Joseph
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State, an author of Blood
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  Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet, you know what. I never have claimed
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  Speaker 1: to know a lot, but I do know this. When
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  Speaker 1: the police take your car and they won't give it back,
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  Speaker 1: you have a problem. Yes you do, You certainly do.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason is is that anything that enters in
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  Speaker 1: to a vehicle contained space like that is that you
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  Speaker 1: can't overestimate the value of that from a forensic standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: because every bit of trace evidence that's contained within that
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  Speaker 1: contained area is going to point you in some particular direction.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: You don't necessarily know what, but you have to keep
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it safe and you have to analyze it to look
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: for every possible clue, whether it's any kind of body fluid,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: including blood, anything, any scuff mark that's in that location,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: any residues that might be left behind, anything or just
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: looking for saying, pieces of rope or cord or stains
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of any kind. It is essential that you get that vehicle,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: lock it down, and you do not allow anybody else
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to have access to it. In the last hours, the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: people of that city take to the streets there in
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Kansas City take to the streets over Olivia's case. And
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: this is why take a list of our friends. Kansas
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: City Fox for Zach Summers. After nearly a twelve hour
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: search had two homes connected to Olivia Jensen, investigators discovered
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: her body off a trill, just ten blocks away from
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: where her father says he last saw her. We wanted
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to find her alive and safe. We did. It's terrible.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Officer Tom Thomas Sake with Casey KPD says, the little
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: girl may have been buried. My understanding the body isn't
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: just laying there. Olivia's father told police his daughter was
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: at their home off Gibbs Rode around eleven o'clock last night.
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  Speaker 1: Around five to thirty this morning, he apparently found a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: door wide open and his daughter nowhere to be found.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: He reported her missing three hours later. We have had
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: several stories throughout the day. None of them made very
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: much sense. So I think unfortunately, to find her where
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: she is, the way she is, I don't think it
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: was too unexpected. You know, they say that so calmly.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It wasn't unexpected. You know why. I wasn't unexpected because
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: multiple complaints had been made to the Department of Children
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Family Services de FACTS and this child is now dead.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to this. KSEK
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: police records showed officers responded to the home on Ottawa
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Street where Olivia lived with her dad and Kirkpatrick for
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a suicide investigation. It was one of six calls to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that house since the beginning of the year for things
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: including juvenile abuse and a welfare check. He said that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: they knocked on the door, nobody answered and that was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: all they could do. So I needed to call DCF,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: which she did. This email confirmation of that call from
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Kansas Department for Children and Families telling Jansen the incident
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or circumstance you reported was assigned for investigation. Seventeen days later,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Olivia was found dead in a wooded area near South
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: thirty fourth and Steel in ksey k. I knew when
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I got that call from him that he had done something.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I knew that what I had feared was true. Howard
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the Third first telling police the child was gone when
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: he woke up Friday morning, their investigation leading to his
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and Kirkpatrick's arrest. Shortly after, BEA's body was discovered another
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: child who slipped through their cracks. Jansen says, I needed
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: someone to point me in the right direction, and I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: didn't have any help. I just want everybody to know
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: her story, you know. I just don't want her to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: be forgotten. Joining me right now, Elizabeth Jansen, this is
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Olivia's grandmother who took care of her. The little girl
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: begged grandmommy not to send her back to the home,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: but Grandmamma's hands were tied. As a matter of fact,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: at a certain point, her own son would keep the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: little girl from her, jealous that little Olivia loved her
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: grandmother so much. Elizabeth Jansen, you were told, hey, if
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you want to do something about it, called defects, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you didn't. You. Yes, what happened. I wasn't frolling with
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: him for twenty three minutes and live a nice. I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: just had to tell him everything I could think of.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And I think it was a couple of days. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: think it was on a Thursday. We got the email saying,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I could send in more information and that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I would be contacted about anything. Okay, so you got
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: an email and that was it. That's what all did
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: you tell them? I told him about the drugs UM.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I told them about that I had heard she was
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: wearing a wire too, that she had gotten another drug
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: dealer in trouble. I knew that there were peace drug
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: dealers after them because they owed money. I told them
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that she was a sex worker. I believe I remembered
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to say that UM. But I told him about I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: thought they would be to bus I, or she would
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: be to bus. I told them about July pamper Um,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and I told them that I didn't want her to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: go into foster care. I wanted to turn this in,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I mean and her papa, so that she would have
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a safe place to come to when they got better
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: out of there. And he didn't have. You know, when
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: you're told call defacts if you want to do something
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and the grandmother does, and then the baby still ends
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: up dead. And forever, forever. This is going to be
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: on her mind, Elizabeth Jansen's mind, that Olivia would beg
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: her every time not to have to go back home
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to her bio dad and his girlfriend. Right now, people
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: have actually taken to the streets in Kansas City protesting
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: over the death of Olivia Jansen, a three year old
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: little girl. I'm looking at a video right now. DCF
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: failed Olivia and does not care about our children, protesters say.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Kansas Department Child Services receive five notifications concerning Olivia's case
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and did nothing until her body is found. To Sierra
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Gillespie joining me, Crime online dot Com investigator reporter tell
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: me about the discovery of old Yeah Nancy So At
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: about six thirty on Friday, July tenth, is when the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Amber alert was called off. Her body was found less
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: than two miles from her home, where her father had
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: said she had gone missing sometime between eleven PM on
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Thursday and then early Friday morning. We're still waiting for
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: an autopsy reports to completely confirm exactly how she died
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and something we did here in one of the reports
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: we listened to earlier, she was somewhat buried in a
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: bit of a shallow grave. But the really important thing
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I think here that we need to focus on is
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that the police officer said, this wasn't unexpected. This is
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: something that unfortunately they expected to find. And it was
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: so sad that she was found just so close to home.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, because we were talking about
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a three year old little girl. All the red flags
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: were there, nothing was done. Her grandmother, who was with
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: us today, tried everything to save three year old Olivia,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: but now Olivia is dead. No matter what grandma did.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: De Facts had gotten multiple calls, but had left the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: child in the home, not even bothering to investigate. The
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: grandma's last call. Take a listen to action Knews reporter
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Andre guetars the baby was always so unhappy to go home.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: She would frown and say, you loved me, You're not
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: mad at me. I come back, I come back, And
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I told her, I will hurt anybody that keeps you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: away from me. That was back in March, the last
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: time Elizabeth Jansen says she saw her granddaughter. Recently, she
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and Howard Jansen the second grew worried over Olivia as
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: well being. They say they called KCK police and eventually
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the Kansas Department for Children and Families better known as
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: DCF because they wouldn't do anything other than knock on
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the door. And so I was on the phone with
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: him June twenty second for twenty three minutes, telling them
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: everything that I could think of, detailed image. And then
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: they sent me an email on Thursday. They said I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: could send more stuff to them, but as far as
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that for me to know anything, they wouldn't be contacting me.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Then both of them got a heart wrench and call
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Friday from Olivia's dad. My stepson called me at nine
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, raining and raving. They called me
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to about the same time, you know, disagreement and the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: baby's gone. The babies gone first reported missing. Police would
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: eventually find Olivia's body buried in a wooded area hours later. Guys,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: we are talking about a gorgeous three year old little
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: girl now dead. Joining me in addition to her grandmother,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jansen, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer, her specialty
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: juvenile law anchor Court TV and as she will dot
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: com Ashley way in Okay, Nancy, here's what I want
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to say. This is a case in which you have
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: lots of different individuals, the father, the girlfriend. He has
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: two homes, so you have different crime scenes. We know
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: what's really important, as always, the chronology. What happened when
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: let's talk about this DCF report. Thank goodness, it was reported.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: That's the first step. It was assigned for investigation, that's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the second step. But here is where we need a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: chronology to really explain what happened. This child was found
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: dead seventeen days later. Nancy, you know as well as
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I do, seventeen days. Seventeen days is a lifetime and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the life of a child. What did DCF do or
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: more importantly, not do during those seventeen days, That's what
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I want to know. That's the chronology that I'm concerned about,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: because I would suggest that given it was seventeen days,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: things were not done that should have been done. Joining me,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jansen, this is Olivia's grandmother who is also seeking justice.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And now people in Kansas City, Kansas are actually taking
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: to the streets in protest outside the Department of Children
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Family Services building with signs I'm looking at them right now.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Justice for Olivia, baby girl. We are here for her.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Defects failed the children Defacts failed children again. I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: what will it take until somebody listens how many children
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: have to die when DEFACTS refuses to intervene? Elizabeth Jansen?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: What is DFACTS saying now? And I'm not blaming them
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: for well, I take it back. I kind of am
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: blaming them for the murder. I know Howard three and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: as Hinch personal love her are responsible for the death.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But in my mind d Facts was part and parcel
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of it. I don't want to say too much about
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: him because I don't want to jeopardize what we're going
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: through trying to convict them. They dropped the ball. Jesus
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State and author of Blood
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet, explain to me how we're going to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: get a cause of death on this little girl. I
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what is taking so long as as far
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: as the specific cod on this particular child's death. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: think that maybe they're factoring in all of the pre
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: existing maybe trauma that she endured. Remember she's she's been
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: kept away from from her grandmother for some period of time.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Those individuals that would be able to look in on her,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a check on her, and they're probably trying to marry
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: up a timeline of ongoing abuse. I would imagine that
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: culminated in her death eventually. That's the only thing that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I can imagine that's going on. Plus, you know the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: standard fair where they're waiting on toxicology as well. When
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you say waiting on toxicology, could you please explain that. Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: And I think that this is a key here in
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Nancy because of what Grandma had mentioned just a few
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: moments ago, is that there may have been drugs in
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: this household. And we really need to dig deep into
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that because if there were drugs in this household, you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: he's you know what if drug dealers are after him,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: But if he's you know, you never know. So you've
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: got these drugs that might be in the household. Was
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: she subjected to these? Were they manufacturing drugs like meth
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in the household? Was anything else going on? Has she
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: been exposed to anything? And if she had been, then
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you want to check into her system and see what's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: going on. Hey, here's another thought too, Maybe she accidentally
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: ingested something and she wound up dying. You never know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: because you know, at every turn for this precious little
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: baby is a hazard in this environment. It is a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: lethal environment when you consider all of the people that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: dad her dad made a free will choice to associate
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: with and engage in a lifestyle he was engaging in.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: It put her at risk, not just daily Nancy, but
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: minute to minute Nancy. Yes, jump in Joe Scott Morgan
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. Court papers just released say that she
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: was badly injured and it would have been apparent to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: anyone that saw her that she suffered great physical abuse.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: The autopsy says that this little three year old girl
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: was covered in bruises from head to toe. Her face,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: her arms, her legs all covered in bruises. She also
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: had a small cut on the back of her head,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and an autopsy revealed significant bleeding on the back of
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: her brain, which caused her death. Stars. I just wanted
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to add real quickly. Child abuse is a vastly underreported crime,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and the reason for that is when neighbors, grandparents, aunt's,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: uncle's cousins notice signs of abuse, they will typically fear
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that if they report the abuse that they'll say to themselves, well,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: maybe I made it up, maybe I'm imagining it. I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: don't want to get that parent in trouble. What if
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the child's removed from the home and it ruins the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: child's life and it's my fault. These are the self
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: proclaimed narratives of people who look the other way and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: do not report child abuse. So by the time a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: report if actually lodged with the facts, it is very serious.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: For every report filed, there are potentially dozens that have
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: not been filed. So the fact that the Facts sat
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: on this did not take it seriously, let so much
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: time pass. As Joe Scott more and so eloquently said,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the report was just the tip of the iceberg of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: other lack of reports of people in the household, drugs
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: coming in and out, money that was owed, jealous stepmother,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: sociopathic father, and so this was the canarian, the coal mine,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the report, and then it slipped through the cracks. That
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: is what the tragedy is about this entire situation. Guys,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the biological father, Howard Jansen, and his girlfriend Jacqueline Kirkpatrick
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: are in jail right now, charged not only the first
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: degree murder but other related charges. You know who also
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: ought to be there behind bars, Department of Family and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Child Services. That's who we wait as justice unfalls. Nancy
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,