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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Kenny Reports.
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Speaker 2: Steve Price with you on today when the minimum wage
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Speaker 2: topped one thousand dollars a week after a four point
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Speaker 2: seventy five percent increase was handed down by the Fair
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Speaker 2: Work Commission. I just wonder how small businesses are going
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Speaker 2: to handle that. Coming up on Kenny tonight. Coming up
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Speaker 2: first though, the big political story of the year so far,
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Speaker 2: the rise and rise of one nation and reaction from
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Speaker 2: traditional quarters to what I called yesterday the rise of
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Speaker 2: the Red Revolution led by Pauline Hanson. I'll catch up
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Speaker 2: with Barnaby Joyce and also Pauline Hanson will join us
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Speaker 2: on the program tomorrow night. Also tonight, debate around the
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Speaker 2: Orchis Alliance and plans now for Australia to take second
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Speaker 2: hand Virginia class nuclear powered submarines, not new ones. Former
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Speaker 2: South Australian Senator and longtime sub mariner Rex Patrick will
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Speaker 2: join us to tell us what it's like to serve
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Speaker 2: on one of those submarines. Plus Kirsten Kenny Regular Kirston
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Speaker 2: Tate Kenny regular on that reportedly tense telephone conversation between
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Speaker 2: the United States President and the Israeli PM on Lebanon
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Speaker 2: and the general state of the war in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East first, So tonight if you want one simple reason
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Speaker 2: as to why, and I'll talk to Barnaby Joyce in
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Speaker 2: the moment about this. If you want a simple reason
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Speaker 2: why support for one nation in Australia is surging, look
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Speaker 2: no further than the cynical, dysfunctional, broken, busted Victorian state
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Speaker 2: government headed in November to a fourth election victory after
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Speaker 2: running Victoria into the ground over three terms of twelve years.
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Speaker 2: The Jassindra Allen government will pull every political trick, no
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Speaker 2: matter how irresponsible, shonky and cynical it ken get its
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Speaker 2: hands on. With five months to goo and facing constant
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Speaker 2: criticism over their links with corrupt unions like the CFMEAU,
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Speaker 2: who would have been alleged could have corruptly siphoned off
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Speaker 2: as much as fifteen billion dollars from major projects. According
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Speaker 2: to senior investigator and sc Jeffrey Watson, what does a
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Speaker 2: desperate Premier Allan do? Well, she does what she and
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Speaker 2: her mentor, Daniel Andrews have always done. Pretend to announce
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Speaker 2: a solution to the corruption allegations. Hope the why the
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Speaker 2: public doesn't follow politics as closely as we do and
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Speaker 2: neutralize a political problem heading to November. But my question
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Speaker 2: is will she get away with this, with that cynically
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Speaker 2: poisonous trick. Well not if the state opposition has any say.
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Speaker 2: Here was Shadow Police spokesman Brad Batton on this program
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Speaker 2: with us yesterday.
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Speaker 3: This is a reality. We put forward laws in a
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Speaker 3: private member's bill for follow the money and justin to
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Speaker 3: Alan wouldn't even let us debate it. And now she's
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Speaker 3: trying to say she's tough on this by kicking the
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Speaker 3: can down the roads after the election. So she's got
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Speaker 3: something to say. Just sin to Alan, if you want
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Speaker 3: to fix it, have a royal commission.
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Speaker 2: Batton is so clearly correct in regard to the timing.
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Speaker 2: It's even worse than I thought. So we will attack
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Speaker 2: corruption by giving Iback the independent authority the tools that
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Speaker 2: they have always needed to have called out for for
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Speaker 2: years to investigate this stuff. It's called chase the money
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Speaker 2: powers or are we really well not yet? You see
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Speaker 2: what's going on here. This is a reform blueprint. Here
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Speaker 2: comes the spin. The finer details blah blah blah will
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Speaker 2: be developed by a panel of wait for it, integrity experts.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, this is disgraceful because you see this
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Speaker 2: so called panel of experts have been given until May
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, so more than a year away to report.
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Speaker 2: And as brad buck Batten said, a stunt, a political whitewash,
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Speaker 2: and again Victorians are being gas lit by the worst
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Speaker 2: premiere in our history. She yesterday afternoon wheeled out her
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Speaker 2: Attorney General Sonia Kilkenny, and behind her sagely nodding at
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Speaker 2: the seriousness of it all.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: These changes are the most far reaching since IBACK was
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Speaker 4: first established in twenty and twelve. It will see IBACK
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Speaker 4: as a fit for purpose agency, as part of an
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Speaker 4: integrity system here in Victoria that further insures a corruption
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Speaker 4: has no place in this state.
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Speaker 1: What a sick joke.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't help but think when I see
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Speaker 2: these staged media events that these two solemnly walk back
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Speaker 2: inside to their palatial offices, kick off their shoes and
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Speaker 2: laugh like hyenas about how they got away with another one.
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Speaker 2: Let's just hope that Brad Batten, his leader Jess Wilson,
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Speaker 2: and everyone else on that Liberal Party and National Party
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Speaker 2: front bench all the senior shadows talk crooks and corruption
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Speaker 2: all the way to November and prove once and for
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Speaker 2: all the cynical, manipulative reshaping of Victoria into some sort
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Speaker 2: of socialist nirvana finally comes.
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Speaker 1: To an end.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get stuck in the biggest political story of
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Speaker 2: the past forty eight hours. Perhaps it's the biggest story
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Speaker 2: of the political year so far. Are those results in
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Speaker 2: the latest red Bridge pole shows One Nation's primary vote
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Speaker 2: now bests that of Labor. The numbers led my mate
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Speaker 2: and colleague Andrew Clonel to ask One Nation leader Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson on his program Sunday Agenda if she was up
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Speaker 2: to becoming prime minister?
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Speaker 1: Do you want to be prime minister? Pauline Hanson?
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Speaker 5: Do I want to be prime Minister? Well, I'll tell
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Speaker 5: you what.
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Speaker 4: I won't knock the job, Andrew, because I believe that
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Speaker 4: I have the ability to do it. I'm not going
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Speaker 4: to underestimate myself and say no, I can't do it.
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Speaker 2: I suspect Pauline's response there set off alarm bells through
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Speaker 2: the corridors of the old political elites in Canberra. They
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Speaker 2: all wore One National, saw One Nation as a pesky protest.
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Speaker 2: With a six percent primary vote at the last election,
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Speaker 2: but with a primary now over thirty, the company political
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Speaker 2: positions have been rocked. I reckon no better example than
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Speaker 2: right today that veteran political observer, The Australian's Paul Kelly
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Speaker 2: on with my colleague Laura Jays this morning. This was
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Speaker 2: his response when he was quizzed about Pauline being a
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Speaker 2: potential prime minister.
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Speaker 6: Pauline Hanson is not fit to be Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 6: She's not equipped to do the job. She can't do
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Speaker 6: the job now I understand the job coming from people.
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Speaker 6: She couldn't be worse than Albow. Well, I'm here to
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Speaker 6: tell you she could be a lot worse than Albo.
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Speaker 6: She could be a lot worse than Albo. And at
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Speaker 6: some point, at some point Austrodian common sense and resilience
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Speaker 6: and capacity to assess politics has got to come into
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Speaker 6: play with some sensible assessments of the limitations of Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 2: One Nation Star Regroup, Barnaby Joyce joins me. You know
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Speaker 2: Paul Kelly a long time. I've known him a long time.
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Speaker 2: He's been around for a long time.
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Speaker 1: Is he out of touch.
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Speaker 7: Paul is an incredible scribe and one of the icons
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Speaker 7: of the Fourth Estate, but on this issue I'm going
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Speaker 7: to disagree. I would say that Pauline Hanson has had
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Speaker 7: thirty his experience now in Parliament. I think a lot
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Speaker 7: of people who've been around with Pauline see the Pauline
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Speaker 7: that arrived in Parliament, not the Pauline that's there now.
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Speaker 7: I'd also suggest that most prime ministers are probably not
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Speaker 7: up to the job when they first arrived there. They've
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Speaker 7: never run a business and they've never done anything, but
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Speaker 7: they surround themselves with the skill sets to make sure
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Speaker 7: that they can do it well. And when you ask
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Speaker 7: someone do they want to be the prime minister? Everybody
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Speaker 7: in Parliament House wants to be the prime minister. Even
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Speaker 7: the journalists want to be the prime minister, even the
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Speaker 7: cleaners want to be the prime minister. There is not
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Speaker 7: a person in this building who does not want to
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Speaker 7: be the Prime minister. But we are not going to
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Speaker 7: get carried away with ourselves. That is not the issue
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Speaker 7: that's before us. We're incredibly honored by the indication. It's
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Speaker 7: merely an indication of the support we have, and we
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Speaker 7: are not going to start counting the chickens before they vote.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you got your feet firmly on the ground.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the numbers are real?
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Speaker 1: Are?
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Speaker 7: They're corroborated pricing and they're corroborated one pole off the other.
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Speaker 7: There's another pole that had us level pegging with the
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Speaker 7: Labor Party. And when you ground truth them with an
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Speaker 7: actual vote, yes, it's a strong vote. But once more,
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Speaker 7: there's a long time between now in an election, and
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Speaker 7: I just Hubris comes before nemesis, and so we in
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Speaker 7: one nation, we'll just keep our heads firmly screwed on,
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Speaker 7: our feet on the ground, and we'll concentrate on the
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Speaker 7: people who obviously are coming towards us because of what
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Speaker 7: we say, not who we are.
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Speaker 2: You're an accountant by profession, which helps because we're going
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Speaker 2: to deal with some numbers here.
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Speaker 1: News and the tabloids.
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Speaker 2: This morning, the Telly and Sydney Herald son that the
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Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary Jenny Wilkinson got her numbers confused when she
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Speaker 2: was talking about the impact of the capital gains tax,
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Speaker 2: the negative gearing and the trust changes in this legislation
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Speaker 2: on average workers. Figures were five seven hundred dollars. She
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Speaker 2: used when the real figure on the impact was more
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Speaker 2: likely ten thousand, two hundred. I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about that because Jim Charmers in the last couple of
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Speaker 2: hours has said, oh, well it's a beat up in
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Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper.
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Speaker 7: Well, I suppose with the salary she's on, you would expect,
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Speaker 7: but not to make a mistake. I wouldn't, oh, you know,
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't cast it to the wolves over a slip up.
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Speaker 7: We all make them and that's part and parcelord. But
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Speaker 7: what I would say is that I don't believe in
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Speaker 7: any of the modeling. I think we should have bin
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Speaker 7: this budget. It's a disaster and it's been widely pad.
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Speaker 7: It's costing the Labor Party are leaking votes now to us,
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Speaker 7: which I suppose is the upside of the budget. I
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Speaker 7: don't for one second believe that this is going to
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Speaker 7: bring in more home ownership for those looking for homes.
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Speaker 7: I think it is going to put renters under a
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Speaker 7: lot of stress and those who are doing it tough.
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Speaker 7: They're going to be out of their house, out of
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Speaker 7: a house and into a car because the rental market
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Speaker 7: is going to get squeezed. And this is the fundamental
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Speaker 7: thing about this budget, and I think it was clearly
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Speaker 7: pointed out by one of the economists. This is just
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Speaker 7: about a government looking for money. Okay, let's let's remove
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Speaker 7: the moralization of where we're doing this for home ownership.
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Speaker 7: We're doing this for you know, for this person, for
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Speaker 7: the cats, for the dogs, for the for the budgery guards.
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Speaker 7: Now they're doing it because they've run out of money
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Speaker 7: and they find the prudent people have put money aside,
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Speaker 7: and they're going to have persecute them for their prudence
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Speaker 7: and say, well, you know, we've got to take this
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Speaker 7: money off of you because they've handed out these cost
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Speaker 7: of living measures. But they never realized when they handed
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Speaker 7: out cost of living measures, you actually got to pay
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Speaker 7: for cost of living measures. And they just because they
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Speaker 7: never own a business, they don't realize that that's part
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Speaker 7: and parcel it and price you. They should be exercising
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Speaker 7: those assets on the national balance sheet, making them hum
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Speaker 7: your coal mines, you get coffie power stations, back your ports,
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Speaker 7: your freight rail. The entrepreneurial skills skills of small business.
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Speaker 7: Exercise your assets on your nation's balance sheet, and you
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Speaker 7: will make the money to pay for your trinkets that
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Speaker 7: you tell everybody came out of your own pocket, but
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Speaker 7: actually came out of the taxpayer's pocket. But they're not.
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Speaker 1: Doing that.
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Speaker 2: Or still on the numbers. I mean, you've got kids.
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Speaker 2: I've got kids. If one of my daughters came to
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Speaker 2: me and said, Dad, should I buy a house with
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Speaker 2: five percent deposit, I'd say no, that wouldn't be a
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Speaker 2: really good idea because if your house price goes down,
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Speaker 2: you're going to have negative equity. Labors tipped tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands of youngsters into this trap.
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Speaker 7: No, yeah, and it's total foolishness. And this idea that well,
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Speaker 7: you know, five percent deposit can be a zero percent deposit.
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Speaker 7: If the market goes against you slightly, you have no cream.
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Speaker 7: There is no fat in the game for you. You
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Speaker 7: are there on a five percent deposit. And I'll tell
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Speaker 7: you another thing, because, apart from being an account and
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Speaker 7: I also worked in banking for a number of years,
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Speaker 7: negative equity gets you kicked out of your house, right
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Speaker 7: if you the pank is not going to lose money
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Speaker 7: on a deal, and if it thinks that its credit
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Speaker 7: is under threat, it will call its money in because actually,
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Speaker 7: if you read your mortgage documents really closely. They're kind
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Speaker 7: of the bank's house which you live in, not really
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Speaker 7: your house, because the bank has all the right, has
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Speaker 7: the rights of kicking you out. You can't kick the
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Speaker 7: bank out, but they can kick you out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very slippery slope. I agree with that.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby, thanks for giving us some time today. I appreciate it,
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Speaker 2: absolute pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Well, still on the One.
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Speaker 2: Nation resurgent, you heard there from Deputy Prime Minister, former
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Speaker 2: Deputy Prime Minister and One Nation member Barnaby Joyce talking
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Speaker 2: about the support and the surge of that support. Well,
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Speaker 2: the week before last there was another red Bridge pole,
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Speaker 2: not the one that we saw on Sunday Monday. This
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Speaker 2: was a pole using something called MRP multi level regression
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Speaker 2: with post stratification, whatever that actually means, but I think
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Speaker 2: in simple terms it gives a much clearer seat by
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Speaker 2: seat breakdown of what the impact would be if an
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Speaker 2: election were held, say next weekend. Now that pole had
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Speaker 2: Labour losing eighteen seats, One Nation winning fifty three seats,
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Speaker 2: and the Coalition reduced to a rubble with only twelve seats.
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Speaker 2: Now the election, of course is two years away. The
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Speaker 2: seat of Gray Grey which covers the majority of South
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Speaker 2: Australia would be according to that research, one seat which
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Speaker 2: would be lost one hundred percent probability that pole set
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Speaker 2: of flipping to one nation, and the Liberal MP for Gray,
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Speaker 2: Tom Venning, joins me in our live Tom Greater see you.
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Speaker 2: I'm a South Australian like you, but give our national
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Speaker 2: audience an idea of the size of the seat of Gray.
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Speaker 8: Steve Grapy with you. Gray is an enormous electorate. Indeed,
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Speaker 8: it's bigger than the state of New South Wales. Thirty
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Speaker 8: local government areas in Gray, spending from the WA border
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Speaker 8: to Northern Territory Queensland, New South Wales. So it is
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Speaker 8: a very diverse electorate, both in its people and its industry.
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Speaker 8: But it is it is a fantastic electorate ninety two
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Speaker 8: point three percent of the state and the AEC want
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Speaker 8: to make it bigger and also change the name.
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting seat because it's got some fascinating little
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Speaker 2: towns and outback towns in the middle of it. You know,
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Speaker 2: just I've been through a lot of it. I find
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Speaker 2: it incredible. So you're holding that seat for the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: We see this poll come out saying oh look, one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent it's going to go to one nation. You're
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Speaker 2: obviously fighting very hard to hold on to it. What's
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Speaker 2: your feeling when you're out about the electorate?
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Speaker 6: Now?
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Speaker 1: How do you get around such a big area?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, people are angry, particularly regional South Australians. They've
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Speaker 8: got a very bad deal from both their state and
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Speaker 8: federal labor governments. And I hear it every single day. Now,
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Speaker 8: you know, the tier was the threat one year ago,
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Speaker 8: and now one nation is a threat at the moment.
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Speaker 8: But of course, as you said before, the election is
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Speaker 8: two years away. Now how do I get around? I
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Speaker 8: do drive now. People say Tom should get your pilot's license,
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Speaker 8: But the problem is my elector is full of hundreds
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Speaker 8: of communities that are smaller than say five hundred people,
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Speaker 8: and so of course there is no car hire service.
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Speaker 8: I'm relying on someone to pick me up, take me
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Speaker 8: to my meeting, and take me back, and of course
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Speaker 8: that just doesn't always work. And when you do fly
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Speaker 8: to a community, you do fly over so many others.
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Speaker 8: So I find it's better just to drive. And of course,
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Speaker 8: what I mean my electorate. Every single night I sleep
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Speaker 8: on a different pillow.
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Speaker 1: I figure you're not having an electric vehicle.
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Speaker 8: Now, well, if I drove electric vehicle, I wouldn't get
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Speaker 8: very far at all. And you know, let alone that
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Speaker 8: the charging stations were in d the range and it
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Speaker 8: was interesting. Only a few weeks ago the Labor government
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Speaker 8: brought an electric prime movie here and they said great
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Speaker 8: diesels dead. Well, I did some research. The biggest electric
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Speaker 8: prime mover has a seven hundred kilod our battery. Now,
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Speaker 8: if I put that prime mover on one of our
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Speaker 8: loaded road trains on the farm, the range is somewhere
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Speaker 8: between one fifty to three hundred klometers. Not only that,
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Speaker 8: farms are serviced by a five killold hour swell line. Now,
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Speaker 8: if you turn off all your appliances and plug it
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Speaker 8: into the truck, it takes five point five days to charge.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolute craziness.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of fuel prices out there must be pretty pretty
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Speaker 2: grim for people. The government's taken the xis off, but
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Speaker 2: that's due to expire quite soon.
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Speaker 1: Should they leave it on a bit longer.
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Speaker 8: They should, particularly at the moment it's busy in the
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Speaker 8: regions we're seeding, so there is high diesel consumption right now.
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Speaker 8: And also it's a tourist season there's a lot of
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Speaker 8: in the Northern. I stay up in the outback. This
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Speaker 8: is peak tourist season, but the tourist numbers aren't coming.
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Speaker 8: And it's not so much the price of the fuel,
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Speaker 8: but it's the anxiety around the access.
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Speaker 5: But I just reassure all of the.
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Speaker 8: Gray nomads out there, there's plenty of fuel up in
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Speaker 8: the up North, but it just is a bit higher.
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Speaker 1: Water in Lake Air.
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Speaker 8: There is a lot of water in Lake how particularly
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Speaker 8: the northern, the Northern Lake. I was fortunate enough to
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Speaker 8: get up there a few weeks ago, and indeed it
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Speaker 8: looks like Florida. There is so much water, there is
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Speaker 8: so much greenery, there is so much food. It's just
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Speaker 8: the frustration is that our state government has not opened
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Speaker 8: the roads. It's been over three months now for the
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Speaker 8: communities in the northeast and what's most frustrating for those
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Speaker 8: communities is they just pop over the border to Queensland
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Speaker 8: and that roads have been open for months. And so
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Speaker 8: it's the city centric government based out of Adelaide that
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Speaker 8: really is the bait of my existence as the Member
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Speaker 8: for Gray because of course I represent all of regional,
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Speaker 8: rural and remote South Australians. And they don't get a
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Speaker 8: good enough showing.
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Speaker 2: They don't good luck with the fight. Nice to catch
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Speaker 2: up with you appreciate it, mate. That is an extraordinary
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Speaker 2: electric and I know people have flown over the top
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Speaker 2: of Lake Ere when there's water in it. It's just
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Speaker 2: one of the most amazing things you can ever see
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Speaker 2: in Australia. Coming up after the break, Speaking of Australia,
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Speaker 2: we're now set to receive secondhand submarines, we're told from
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Speaker 2: the US, not the new ones that were originally agreed
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Speaker 2: upon in the Orcast agreement. I'll talk to former South
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Speaker 2: Australian Senator and longtime sub mariner Rex Patrick.
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Speaker 1: Up next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price with you Tim Blair coming
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Speaker 2: up shortly now. The Orchest deal between the Australian government,
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Speaker 2: the UK government and the US government's back in the
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Speaker 2: news again today. Just to be clear, under the original deal,
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Speaker 2: which was negotiated largely by Scott Morrison, Australia is going
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Speaker 2: to get one new Virginia class American made submarine and
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Speaker 2: two that had already been in operation. It's just to
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Speaker 2: make that clear that we're not talking about we were
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Speaker 2: going to get three new ones and now we're not
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Speaker 2: going to get any that's not the case today. Interestingly,
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Speaker 2: on Sky, Labor backbencher Ed Husick, who's very narky that
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Speaker 2: he's actually been pushed onto the backbench. He's reportedly raised
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Speaker 2: the Aucas Alliance at Labour's caucus meeting this morning. Now,
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Speaker 2: he wouldn't actually talk to Kieran Gilbert about what he
19:37
Speaker 2: said in caucus. He's just trying to be a bit careful.
19:40
Speaker 2: But here's what he did say about the deal.
19:43
Speaker 1: Based on what we're getting.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I think we need to be open as
19:46
Speaker 9: a nation that we are not going to get the
19:48
Speaker 9: deal that was promised to us one. It's a question
19:52
Speaker 9: about whether or not we will get that deal. And
19:55
Speaker 9: I got reservations now in terms of in particular whether
19:58
Speaker 9: or not there would be an implic in terms of
20:01
Speaker 9: our ability from a sovereignty perspective to exercise sovereigny in
20:04
Speaker 9: the way that we would want to given how transactional
20:07
Speaker 9: the Trump administration is now.
20:10
Speaker 2: Heusick is the latest Labor figure, including ex ministers like
20:13
Speaker 2: Peter Garrett, to call in the policy. I mean, that's
20:16
Speaker 2: not surprising because Garrett once of course headed the Nuclear
20:19
Speaker 2: Disarmament Party. I mean someone who knows intimately though, what's
20:23
Speaker 2: required to operate naval submarines, as former South Australian Senator
20:27
Speaker 2: Rex Patrick himself a sub mariner. Good to talk to
20:31
Speaker 2: you again, Rex. What do you make of the shift
20:32
Speaker 2: from not getting a new one but we're going to
20:35
Speaker 2: get he is now three subs that are already nuclear
20:39
Speaker 2: subs that are operational.
20:41
Speaker 1: Does that matter? Yeah?
20:43
Speaker 10: Look, I'll just start off by saying I've also been
20:45
Speaker 10: to see on US nuclear powered submarines and so I
20:48
Speaker 10: do like them. However, what the messaging that you can
20:54
Speaker 10: take from the announcement that when to go from as
20:57
Speaker 10: you pointed out, two secondhand submarine means one new submarine
21:02
Speaker 10: to three secondhand submarines is that the US are just
21:06
Speaker 10: not in a good position to be able to deliver
21:10
Speaker 10: to us when the optimal pathway was talked about, it
21:15
Speaker 10: may actually be that we get two secondhand submarines and
21:19
Speaker 10: up to three brand new submarines that was what was
21:23
Speaker 10: originally talked about, but a minimum of one new submarine.
21:27
Speaker 10: The issue is that the United States is building about
21:30
Speaker 10: one point two submarines perannum, and they need to build
21:35
Speaker 10: two perannum in order to meet their own needs and
21:39
Speaker 10: two point three to be able to meet their needs
21:43
Speaker 10: and our needs. So they're just not building enough submarines.
21:48
Speaker 10: And what we've seen now is systematic of the issue
21:52
Speaker 10: that arises. The US Congress passed laws in twenty twenty
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Speaker 10: three in December twenty twenty three that allows the transfer
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Speaker 10: of these nuclear submarines to Australia, but two hundred and
22:04
Speaker 10: seventy days prior to the transfer, the US President must
22:09
Speaker 10: certify that the transfer won't cause an issue with US
22:14
Speaker 10: undersea capability. And that's looking very likely. And that's not
22:19
Speaker 10: my words, that's the words of the US Congressional Research Service,
22:24
Speaker 10: the advice the advisors to members of Congress.
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Speaker 2: If we get them sooner and that they've had some mileage,
22:34
Speaker 2: is that such a big deal?
22:35
Speaker 1: Rick Well?
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Speaker 10: One of the issues with the submarines is that they
22:41
Speaker 10: have a particular life cycle or a length of time
22:47
Speaker 10: that they can operate for. In the case of these
22:51
Speaker 10: Virginia class submarines, it's thirty three years. That's the reactor life.
22:56
Speaker 10: The reactors on the Virginias are designed so you don't
22:59
Speaker 10: have to change the Originally, we were going to get
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Speaker 10: two submarines that were second hand that had about thirteen
23:07
Speaker 10: years on the clock, so we'd get twenty years out
23:10
Speaker 10: of them, and then following that we would get new
23:13
Speaker 10: submarines that would have thirty three. So there is the
23:15
Speaker 10: issue that inevitably that will shorten the life of one
23:19
Speaker 10: of the submarines. But the other problem we've got is
23:22
Speaker 10: that as things get older, they also become less reliable.
23:27
Speaker 10: So the United States has about thirty four percent of
23:30
Speaker 10: its current submarine force waiting to go into docks and
23:34
Speaker 10: in docks, so they've got their own set of issues there.
23:37
Speaker 10: So it's not the optimal pathway that was described, and
23:41
Speaker 10: that is again systematic of the difficulties that the United
23:46
Speaker 10: States is having meeting its own needs.
23:50
Speaker 1: You served on the Oberons.
23:51
Speaker 2: How much better were the Colins boats that replace the Oberons.
23:56
Speaker 10: Well, look, so I served on both the Oberons, and
23:58
Speaker 10: I was on the trials crew of the class submarines,
24:01
Speaker 10: and every time you go from one to the other,
24:05
Speaker 10: you know, there was a lot more comfort, a lot
24:08
Speaker 10: more capability in the Colins class submarines, but we also
24:11
Speaker 10: had a whole range of problems. I remember on the
24:13
Speaker 10: Oberon class submarine we could just about fix everything with
24:16
Speaker 10: a hammer we knew that we knew the submarine extremely well.
24:19
Speaker 10: And then you know, for the first ten years of
24:22
Speaker 10: the Collins life they were quite problematic. You might recall
24:26
Speaker 10: there headlines dub subs and so forth. We finally got
24:29
Speaker 10: to a point where they were operating well. But we're
24:33
Speaker 10: now in a new situation where the first of those
24:36
Speaker 10: submarines was to retire this year, and we've just sent
24:41
Speaker 10: the order to General say that we're not in a
24:44
Speaker 10: position now to life extend. The government hasn't run that
24:48
Speaker 10: program particularly well, and so you know, we are in
24:52
Speaker 10: effect entering into a capability gap where we've got no
24:56
Speaker 10: nuclear submarines arriving if they do arrive, until about twenty
24:59
Speaker 10: thirty three, twenty thirty four, and we've got aging Colins
25:03
Speaker 10: class submarines to the point where, you know, the age
25:07
Speaker 10: of the Colins class submarines a little bit like a
25:12
Speaker 10: relatively older thirty year old car that is hard to
25:16
Speaker 10: keep on the road and expensive to keep on the road.
25:19
Speaker 10: And it does it leaves our sailors, our submariners without
25:22
Speaker 10: the best possible capability. So we are in a bit
25:24
Speaker 10: of a mess.
25:27
Speaker 2: Good to catch up, Rex, I'll get you back on
25:29
Speaker 2: to talk about that amazing series in The Australian started
25:32
Speaker 2: today about Hmas Deshano and what happened and how tragic
25:36
Speaker 2: that could have been. I'd love to have a chat
25:37
Speaker 2: to you about that because it seems quite remarkable. Thank
25:40
Speaker 2: you very much, Rex, Rex Patrick there, former senator. Now
25:43
Speaker 2: One Nation's rise has shocked a lot of people. I
25:45
Speaker 2: must say it hasn't really shocked me. I mean, the
25:47
Speaker 2: best way to understand it is to look where they were.
25:51
Speaker 2: I guess that's what the surprise is. In last year's election,
25:54
Speaker 2: One Nation had around six point four percent of the
25:57
Speaker 2: primary vote. Everyone from posters to the crew of Pauline's
26:01
Speaker 2: Please Explain Cartoons have got an opinion as to why
26:04
Speaker 2: her polling numbers arising so rapidly. The best opinion, the
26:08
Speaker 2: most unique opinion, comes from a very own Tim Blair,
26:12
Speaker 2: who wrote a great column today and joins me, now,
26:17
Speaker 2: you're not surprised about the Red Revolution, are you?
26:21
Speaker 1: Well?
26:21
Speaker 11: I think, like everyone else, the speed of it's been surprising,
26:26
Speaker 11: but no, in terms of when our established coalition parties
26:32
Speaker 11: entirely abandoned the right wing side of the field, when
26:36
Speaker 11: they gave up the strength of their position and decided
26:41
Speaker 11: to become just you know, me too. With Labor. They
26:43
Speaker 11: tried to peggyback on that instead of carving out their
26:46
Speaker 11: own territory. They basically said, Pauline, all yours, go for it.
26:51
Speaker 11: And that's what's happening and what we're seeing as well
26:54
Speaker 11: is and this is I think not appreciated much yet,
26:58
Speaker 11: but Australians have moved away from Labor, moved away from
27:02
Speaker 11: the Coalition, and they've found an opposition that they can
27:05
Speaker 11: help construct themselves. They know that one nation is still
27:08
Speaker 11: a work in progress, but they're prepared to back it
27:10
Speaker 11: and Australians are They're along for the ride at the moment.
27:14
Speaker 1: It's good.
27:15
Speaker 2: This cous Samaras, who runs Redbridge, used to work for
27:18
Speaker 2: the Victorian Labor Party. He was an apparatrick for them.
27:22
Speaker 2: He's using all sorts of odd language and almost conspiratorial.
27:28
Speaker 2: You wrote today about what's going on here in Australia.
27:32
Speaker 2: What's your interpretation of what he's saying and why he
27:37
Speaker 2: thinks the numbers in his poll, which by the way,
27:40
Speaker 2: is making his brand very successful and very talked about
27:44
Speaker 2: at the moment.
27:46
Speaker 11: Absolutely, Customer's red Bridge company is very good at asking
27:52
Speaker 11: people who are going to vote for and then tabulating
27:54
Speaker 11: those results and there we see them right now. But
27:57
Speaker 11: what they're not so good at and causes space, I think,
28:01
Speaker 11: is the analysis of why this has occurred. And in
28:04
Speaker 11: his terminology, it's all due to some sort of vast
28:07
Speaker 11: internationalist conspiracy that's been working for years to establish Pauline
28:11
Speaker 11: as ares one of us and give her that kind
28:13
Speaker 11: of credibility. Well if that was true, though, why did
28:17
Speaker 11: it take so long? She's been around for a long time,
28:19
Speaker 11: Steve as you know, but it's only just kicked into
28:22
Speaker 11: the last year. I mean, that's not the best that's
28:24
Speaker 11: not the best conspiracy theory I've ever heard. They sound
28:27
Speaker 11: like they need a bit of work, those conspirators, to
28:29
Speaker 11: get things, to get things moving.
28:32
Speaker 2: You and I have great regard for Mark Nicholson, who
28:35
Speaker 2: appears with Chris and you on a weekly basis. I
28:38
Speaker 2: talked to you both last week. Redbridge is saying, oh, well,
28:43
Speaker 2: you know, cartoons don't get scrutinized the way normal political
28:46
Speaker 2: ads do. Samars darkly explain, well, no, they get laughed
28:51
Speaker 2: at because it's part of entertainment. It doesn't matter whether
28:53
Speaker 2: it's Warren or Mark Knight or leek. I mean, they're fantastic.
28:57
Speaker 2: And is he suggesting they're all in some cabal to
29:00
Speaker 2: make Pauline funny and acceptable?
29:03
Speaker 11: Apparently he is, because you know, once you're in on
29:05
Speaker 11: the joke, and I think he uses a phrase that's
29:08
Speaker 11: the trick, as though it's this like this cunning, systemic
29:12
Speaker 11: kind of notion, whether where they're aiming to get gullible
29:16
Speaker 11: Australians to vote for Pauline because they saw something funny
29:18
Speaker 11: on YouTube.
29:20
Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Steve.
29:21
Speaker 11: The point is being funny, and there's no there's nothing
29:24
Speaker 11: stopping labor and it's millions of media followers from doing
29:30
Speaker 11: the same thing. Roll out a funny cartoon of your own,
29:33
Speaker 11: attempt to do them in the Sydney Morning Herald or
29:35
Speaker 11: the Age. They've been attempting for a long time. One
29:38
Speaker 11: day they might get a laugh. You know, miracles occur,
29:42
Speaker 11: give give them, give them another decade or so.
29:45
Speaker 2: Well, when you and I've been around long enough to remember,
29:47
Speaker 2: you know, Tanberg and all of these cartoonists who were
29:50
Speaker 2: in the Age and then the Sidney Morning Erald were
29:53
Speaker 2: certainly no friends of the of the Coalition. I mean, seriously,
29:58
Speaker 2: Timbers a great column mate, great to catch up with
30:00
Speaker 2: you again. I'll see you with Mark later in the week. Now,
30:03
Speaker 2: that's just ridiculous to suggest that there's some conspiracy. Good
30:06
Speaker 2: on you, Tim, Thank you mate. Coming up, Susio O'Brien
30:09
Speaker 2: and Stephen Senna Tempo will join me. We'll have a
30:13
Speaker 2: discussion about Lakimber Mosque. Apparently the mosque there and I've
30:17
Speaker 2: had a tour of the Lakimba Mosque is going to
30:20
Speaker 2: have a crack at approval for loud speakers on the
30:23
Speaker 2: roof to broadcast the call to prayer.
30:26
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that next.
30:31
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price in for Chris Kenny. Let's
30:34
Speaker 2: head to the US. Now to Boston and Kenny regular
30:37
Speaker 2: Kristen Tate. Great to talk to you again. Kristen. Let's
30:40
Speaker 2: start with, if we can the Middle East and the
30:42
Speaker 2: relationship between President Trump and Israel's Benjamin Nett Yahoo. How
30:47
Speaker 2: would you describe that relationship.
30:51
Speaker 12: Well, generally, Steve, it's a very good relationship between the
30:54
Speaker 12: United States and Israel. But things got a little heated
30:57
Speaker 12: this week during a phone call all.
31:00
Speaker 5: Between President Trump and Natanya.
31:02
Speaker 12: Who you know previously last week and the previous one.
31:07
Speaker 5: It was thought that the US and Iran were kind
31:09
Speaker 5: of on the brink of a deal and things were
31:11
Speaker 5: going to get wrapped up over there.
31:13
Speaker 12: But now it seems like we could be on the
31:15
Speaker 12: brink of more war because of what Israel is doing.
31:22
Speaker 12: They have renewed their threats to further encroach into Lebanon
31:25
Speaker 12: and start rebombing Beirute. And you know, it seems like
31:29
Speaker 12: the biggest threat to diplomacy right now is not the
31:33
Speaker 12: US and Iran talking. It's just the constant risk of
31:37
Speaker 12: another regional flare up that destroys those talks and gets
31:41
Speaker 12: us bogged down into what could become a very long
31:44
Speaker 12: drawn out and expensive war.
31:48
Speaker 2: Do we accept this Kristin Axius report that says Donald
31:52
Speaker 2: Trump in that phone call called Benjamin nit Yahoo iffing crazy?
31:58
Speaker 2: I mean, how reliable is exios and how will source
32:02
Speaker 2: spot that be?
32:04
Speaker 1: Well?
32:05
Speaker 5: Axios?
32:06
Speaker 12: You know it's the mainstream media which is known to
32:09
Speaker 12: be very anti Trump. However, we do know that we
32:13
Speaker 12: have a very colorful president here in the United States
32:16
Speaker 12: who is known to use harsh language.
32:18
Speaker 5: At times, even with allies.
32:20
Speaker 12: He's very unpredictable when he's dealing with these sort of
32:23
Speaker 12: foreign conflicts and That's part of President Trump's strength here.
32:27
Speaker 12: I also believe the president realizes that one of the
32:30
Speaker 12: reasons he was voted in was he was the only
32:33
Speaker 12: Republican steve to get up there on the stage during
32:36
Speaker 12: the primaries way back in twenty sixteen and in his
32:39
Speaker 12: subsequent campaigns and promised no more wars, no more forever
32:44
Speaker 12: wars in the Middle East. Those days are over. This
32:47
Speaker 12: president understands that's what his base wants, and I don't
32:50
Speaker 12: believe he's going to allow Israel to let us get
32:53
Speaker 12: bogged down into one of these quagmires again that goes
32:56
Speaker 12: on for years and years and years.
32:58
Speaker 5: That's not what Americans want.
33:02
Speaker 2: Well, Nitnia who says he's chasing his Bella into the
33:04
Speaker 2: center of Bay Route because that's where their headquarters are.
33:07
Speaker 2: So I mean he has supported Home, I presume for
33:10
Speaker 2: this resumption of a text on Lebanon. But I was
33:14
Speaker 2: going to ask you, kristin the Magabys, are I still
33:17
Speaker 2: of the view that the US should not be involved
33:21
Speaker 2: in any of this.
33:24
Speaker 12: Yes, a large portion of the MAGA base, the MAGA
33:26
Speaker 12: base is actually quite fractured over this issue, but the
33:31
Speaker 12: core of the base, the majority of the base.
33:34
Speaker 5: Wants this wrapped up, wants this done.
33:37
Speaker 12: If you look, Steve at the top issues that mag
33:40
Speaker 12: voters turned out for Trump on in the last election,
33:44
Speaker 12: it was not solving.
33:45
Speaker 5: Issues in the Middle East.
33:47
Speaker 12: It was issues much closer to home, issues like the
33:50
Speaker 12: inflation that we saw under Joe Biden, the wide open
33:53
Speaker 12: borders that allowed over ten million illegal immigrants to flood
33:57
Speaker 12: into this country, crime in our cities. These are the
34:00
Speaker 12: issues that MAGA voters elected Donald Trump to figure out
34:04
Speaker 12: and just solve. We didn't vote for him to start
34:08
Speaker 12: another war in the Middle East. So yes, MAGA voters,
34:11
Speaker 12: we're very sympathetic to what's going on over there. We
34:16
Speaker 12: support Israel, we want to help our ally, but we
34:19
Speaker 12: don't want to get bogged down in another war. And
34:21
Speaker 12: by the way, gas prices are astronomically high in this
34:24
Speaker 12: country right now because of this war, and that will
34:27
Speaker 12: really hurt Republicans in the upcoming midterm elections.
34:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuel processes have had pretty concentrated as well.
34:34
Speaker 1: Now.
34:35
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Kristen. I don't know whether
34:38
Speaker 2: you are at UFC devotee. I don't happen to be,
34:42
Speaker 2: And I really get the idea of cage fighting, But
34:45
Speaker 2: I'd love a ticket to the White House UFC event.
34:49
Speaker 2: We're on the grounds. This is happening. Hell, look here.
34:52
Speaker 2: This was an exclusive of Fox News earlier today.
34:55
Speaker 13: This is the arena that's being built for UFC. It's
34:59
Speaker 13: h at the front door to the White House and
35:03
Speaker 13: you'll never see it again. It's never happened before and
35:05
Speaker 13: you'll never see it again. And it's great. And the
35:09
Speaker 13: UFC is going to have all of the best fighters,
35:11
Speaker 13: the best fighters in the world.
35:12
Speaker 1: They're all coming that night.
35:13
Speaker 13: They all say, we want to fight at the White House.
35:15
Speaker 1: And Dan is an amazing man.
35:18
Speaker 13: He's done an amazing job. He's put together something that
35:22
Speaker 13: this would be the highest rated event.
35:24
Speaker 1: Maybe one of them ever in sport.
35:26
Speaker 2: Christini is jumping on the trend from Boston and hitting
35:29
Speaker 2: down you got a ticket?
35:31
Speaker 5: I wish I could.
35:32
Speaker 12: Get a ticket to this, Steve, This looks like it's
35:34
Speaker 12: going to be a very fun event. This is very Trumpian.
35:38
Speaker 12: The media is going nuts over this over here. And
35:42
Speaker 12: one of the reasons that this is being done is
35:44
Speaker 12: to commemorate America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
35:47
Speaker 5: It's our it's a big birthday for us. Here in
35:50
Speaker 5: the United States, and you know, the UFC fight. That
35:53
Speaker 5: doesn't offend me at all.
35:54
Speaker 12: What disappoints me a little bit, though, I do have
35:57
Speaker 12: to admit, is the lack of ambition in celebrating our
36:00
Speaker 12: countries two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
36:02
Speaker 5: Sure, we can do.
36:03
Speaker 12: The UFC fight, but I've been a little disappointed at
36:06
Speaker 12: the lack of you know, parties and tributes commemorating real
36:11
Speaker 12: American heroes, people like Daniel Boone or George Washington, or
36:14
Speaker 12: John Adams or Frederick Douglas, Henry Ford, Ben Franklin, you know,
36:18
Speaker 12: these amazing people who built this country.
36:21
Speaker 4: You know.
36:22
Speaker 12: The sad thing it makes me a little sad previous
36:24
Speaker 12: generations would have used the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
36:27
Speaker 12: of this country to educate people about what an incredible
36:31
Speaker 12: place this is and the incredible people who built it.
36:34
Speaker 12: But instead, we've become a culture very seeped in consumerism,
36:39
Speaker 12: and this UFC fight.
36:41
Speaker 5: Is a little bit emblematic of that. But you know,
36:43
Speaker 5: I'm not too offended by it.
36:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an excellent point.
36:47
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, two fifty that's a really big anniversary,
36:50
Speaker 2: and I would have thought, you know, marching bands in
36:53
Speaker 2: the streets and playing tribute all of those amazing Americans
36:56
Speaker 2: you just mentioned, not to mention people like the music
36:59
Speaker 2: into history, the acting industry, all of the.
37:03
Speaker 1: Even the tech giants.
37:05
Speaker 2: America is in an incredible place and it should be celebrated,
37:08
Speaker 2: not just the UFC fight, but anyway, it's Donald Trump.
37:11
Speaker 2: Thanks Kristin, talk to you again soon.
37:14
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
37:15
Speaker 2: Steve, Yeah, I agree with that completely. It should be
37:19
Speaker 2: a bigger event. Let's get into our Tuesday night panel.
37:21
Speaker 2: News Corps National Education Editor Susio Brian joins US and
37:25
Speaker 2: Radio two C two Double C host breakfast host Stephen
37:28
Speaker 2: Senna Tempo. Welcome to you both. We've got a late
37:33
Speaker 2: breaking story in the Daily Telegraph. I'll start with you, Stephen.
37:38
Speaker 2: We've got a suggestion from the Lakember Mosque. Now I've
37:42
Speaker 2: been to the Lakember Mosque. I've actually had a guided
37:45
Speaker 2: tour of that mosque in Sydney when I was working there.
37:48
Speaker 2: They put in a call to Prayer application to the
37:51
Speaker 2: local council. They want to put speakers on top of
37:55
Speaker 2: that mosque and use it to broadcast the call to prayer,
38:00
Speaker 2: which where any of us who've traveled to Muslim countries
38:03
Speaker 2: overseas would be aware of.
38:04
Speaker 1: What that's like.
38:05
Speaker 2: I don't know that all of the locals are all
38:08
Speaker 2: that happy about it, And given that there is a
38:11
Speaker 2: lot of reluctance in many areas of Australia to let
38:14
Speaker 2: churches ring church bells, I.
38:16
Speaker 1: Wonder whether they're going to let them do this.
38:20
Speaker 14: Yeah, look, it's been knocked back once before. As far
38:23
Speaker 14: as I understand, this was a I read the story
38:26
Speaker 14: in the Telegraph this morning, and as somebody that grew
38:28
Speaker 14: up in western Sydney, I can only imagine what the
38:31
Speaker 14: cacophony would be like. I think it's five times a
38:34
Speaker 14: day on a Friday.
38:37
Speaker 1: Look.
38:37
Speaker 14: I don't know whether the locals will be up in
38:40
Speaker 14: arms about this, because there is a fairly significant Muslim
38:42
Speaker 14: population in that area. But I just think this sort
38:46
Speaker 14: of flies in the faith of Islamic culture. Doesn't it
38:48
Speaker 14: that they need electronic speakers for the call to prayer?
38:52
Speaker 14: I thought it was very significant that he actually had
38:54
Speaker 14: a bloke standing up there doing it with his voice.
38:58
Speaker 2: Susie, whenever you travel overseas, I said, to a Muslim country,
39:01
Speaker 2: doesn't matter whether it's in Asia or whether it's in
39:03
Speaker 2: the Middle East. I mean when you're on holidays, it's
39:07
Speaker 2: almost part of the travel romance. I'm not sure if
39:11
Speaker 2: I live next to a mosque, whether it be in
39:13
Speaker 2: La Camber or the western and northern suburbs of Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: that I would want that at five times a day,
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Speaker 2: particularly when am I right the first call to prayer?
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Speaker 1: Is it just before dawn?
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Speaker 15: It seems like a big ask. And I think there's
39:29
Speaker 15: a difference between moving next to a church that rings
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Speaker 15: its spells a couple of times a week, that has
39:35
Speaker 15: been there for two hundred years and been doing that,
39:37
Speaker 15: as opposed to a mosque who suddenly is asking for
39:41
Speaker 15: a very different way of doing things. That's going to
39:43
Speaker 15: have a huge impact on the local community, not all
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Speaker 15: of whom will be Muslim, many perhaps, but not all.
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Speaker 15: So Yeah, it's certainly a love different thing from the
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Speaker 15: old church bells.
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Speaker 1: I love a church bell well, I don't hear enough
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Speaker 1: church bells.
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Speaker 2: We need to run a campaign on the show to
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Speaker 2: get churches around the country to bring back the church bells.
40:03
Speaker 2: I love hearing church bells. Let's stick with you, Susie Melbourne.
40:07
Speaker 2: Half priced transport in Melbourne that kicked back in yesterday
40:12
Speaker 2: now I had Brad Baton on the show yesterday yesterday evening,
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Speaker 2: and he told me that he'd caught a tram down
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Speaker 2: from Parliament House down to the Sky studios and I said, oh, well,
40:23
Speaker 2: you know, did you tap your mikey on and pay
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Speaker 2: half price for the ticket. I only fell off my
40:28
Speaker 2: chair when he told me all politicians, current and past politicians,
40:35
Speaker 2: get free mikey cards. They never pay for public transport
40:38
Speaker 2: in the city or in regional Victoria.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, this is a very very nice perk and they
40:45
Speaker 15: get it for life if they've been in office for
40:48
Speaker 15: more than ten years, so you know, on top of
40:51
Speaker 15: extremely generous superannuation which comes into effect as soon as
40:55
Speaker 15: they leave the job, not like the rest of us.
40:57
Speaker 15: Happened to wake to wear sixty five or so. Yeah,
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Speaker 15: and it's interesting now we have to pay half price,
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Speaker 15: not free, for public traansport, and we're also getting a
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Speaker 15: discount on our red Joe. But you know what, it
41:11
Speaker 15: still feels unsafe on public transport, and a lot of
41:15
Speaker 15: people are saying all it's done is having the free
41:17
Speaker 15: or the cheap transport. It just unleashes the crazies and
41:21
Speaker 15: makes people feel unsafe, crowded and unsafe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those train stations are certainly on snafe. Stephen,
41:29
Speaker 2: you know me. I'm honest, Joe. I would never ever
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Speaker 2: get on a train or a tram without paying. But
41:35
Speaker 2: when I get on a tram and I tap on
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Speaker 2: this useless Mikey card, which to develop this system's cost
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Speaker 2: Victoria billions of dollars, you can't, like you do in
41:43
Speaker 2: New South Wales, tap your phone.
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Speaker 1: Or a credit card. I get on the tram.
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Speaker 2: I'm the only dumb mug that actually pays. I see
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Speaker 2: people getting on all the way along a long street
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Speaker 2: outside the free transport zone. No one's paying. So now
41:58
Speaker 2: that they've had a month or so free transport, I
42:01
Speaker 2: can bet you people are not going to start paying again.
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Speaker 14: You're not the only one, Steve. I was in Melbourne
42:08
Speaker 14: last year and I've still got eleven dollars seventy five
42:11
Speaker 14: on the Mikey app. I had to download the app
42:12
Speaker 14: and put money onto to get from Saint Kilda into
42:15
Speaker 14: the city and the tram stopped halfway up the main
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Speaker 14: street and said, sorry, we're not going any further, there's
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Speaker 14: a blockage.
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Speaker 1: Get off and walk, And I thought, how good is this? Look?
42:23
Speaker 14: It's better than at least here in the Act you
42:25
Speaker 14: can tap on with your credit card, but it just
42:27
Speaker 14: doesn't work. We spent millions and millions on a system
42:30
Speaker 14: here that hasn't worked from day one, and we have
42:32
Speaker 14: this sink called fair Free Friday, where every time I
42:34
Speaker 14: try to use it charges me a dollar. But look,
42:37
Speaker 14: this is just emblematic of the People's Democratic Republic of Danistan,
42:41
Speaker 14: isn't it. I mean, Victoria, you can't afford to put
42:44
Speaker 14: a roof over your head, and you can't have put
42:45
Speaker 14: it for food on the table, but we'll give you
42:46
Speaker 14: a half priced public transport that'll sort everything out.
42:50
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Susie, you and I live in Danistan.
42:55
Speaker 2: I loved the Herald Sun, our paper yesterday broke this
42:57
Speaker 2: story about these brass plaques that went up on the
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Speaker 2: brand shiny new metro tunnel opened by Premier Cinda Allen.
43:05
Speaker 2: The only problem is they forgot to put the right
43:08
Speaker 2: honorable just Cinda Allen. Now they had to redo them.
43:12
Speaker 2: Did they say today that was was it seventeen or
43:14
Speaker 2: seventy thousand dollars? I can't remember, but it was a
43:18
Speaker 2: six figure souugh.
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Speaker 15: They're saying the plaques were seventy thousand dollars, and they're
43:24
Speaker 15: saying some of this cost I was having to redo
43:27
Speaker 15: some of the plarques because they had the MP's electorates
43:31
Speaker 15: on it. Apparently that's not allowed. And they also didn't
43:35
Speaker 15: they admitted the honorable saying, oh, I don't care about
43:39
Speaker 15: the title, but she can enough to have it fixed
43:42
Speaker 15: on those plarques, which cost seventy thousand dollars of a
43:45
Speaker 15: fifteen billion dollar billed. If they cared as much about
43:49
Speaker 15: corruption as they did about plarques, we might have.
43:52
Speaker 5: Been we might be in a better state in Victoria.
43:56
Speaker 2: Steven, you and I when we retire and need to
43:58
Speaker 2: open up a clark making business. By the sound of it,
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Speaker 2: seventy grand for two plarks. And by the way, of course,
44:06
Speaker 2: Susie and myself as Victorian taxpayers, we're currently funding the
44:10
Speaker 2: production of a bronze statue of Daniel Andrews that I
44:14
Speaker 2: think is going to be worth about one hundred and
44:16
Speaker 2: thirty five one hundred and forty five thousand dollars to
44:19
Speaker 2: be erected outside his office.
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Speaker 14: Well, at least there'll be somewhere for the pigeons to sit.
44:26
Speaker 14: Look with these plarks, it's Melbourne. Wouldn't you You could have
44:29
Speaker 14: got somebody to graffiti them for free, couldn't you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
44:33
Speaker 2: Good, You don't need to get the pluk made you
44:35
Speaker 2: just get the graffiti vandals down there. Another story that's
44:38
Speaker 2: broken today, Suley Susie Stolen Generations. The City of Melbourne,
44:43
Speaker 2: run by our old mate Nicholas Reese, who also loves
44:46
Speaker 2: to spend a dollar, they've had to put their hand
44:48
Speaker 2: out for state government help. This is funding what's been
44:52
Speaker 2: described not by me, but as by the artists are
44:56
Speaker 2: poignant three point two million dollar tribute to the stolen
45:00
Speaker 2: generations because they can't cover the cost by themselves. Do
45:04
Speaker 2: we really need a tribute to the stolen generations? Did
45:07
Speaker 2: we know we were doing this? And do we have
45:09
Speaker 2: any idea where they're putting it?
45:13
Speaker 15: Yeah, they're putting it near the art center. I actually
45:15
Speaker 15: don't mind them doing a tribute to the stolen generations.
45:18
Speaker 15: But you know what, do it within the budget.
45:20
Speaker 5: Do it within what you can afford.
45:22
Speaker 15: Rather than having to put your cap out, cap in
45:24
Speaker 15: hand and go running to the state taxpayers. That the
45:28
Speaker 15: City of Melbourne had four and a half million dollars
45:31
Speaker 15: in its art account. It's spent two million of that
45:34
Speaker 15: on some kangaroos as part of a twenty two million
45:38
Speaker 15: dollar lineup of kangaroos, and so now it doesn't have
45:43
Speaker 15: enough money to do the Stolen Generations memorial. I don't
45:46
Speaker 15: mind the memorial, but you know what, keep it in budget.
45:49
Speaker 15: The rest of us have to spend within our means,
45:52
Speaker 15: so bloody well so should they?
45:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with that. That's not going to happen, Steve,
45:57
Speaker 2: why don't you have a little sister center? Allen the
45:59
Speaker 2: premier yesterday announcing a backflip on IBACK. I mentioned this
46:03
Speaker 2: at the start of the program. This is the Premier
46:05
Speaker 2: yesterday afternoon.
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Speaker 4: These changes are the most far reaching since IBACK was
46:11
Speaker 4: first established in twenty and twelve. It will see IBACK
46:16
Speaker 4: as a fit for purpose agency as part of an
46:20
Speaker 4: integrity system here in Victoria that further insures a corruption
46:24
Speaker 4: has no place in this state.
46:28
Speaker 2: Steve, you broadcast in the center of democracy in our country.
46:31
Speaker 2: If you listen to her, she's going to fix up
46:33
Speaker 2: all this corruption where there are allegations at fifteen billion
46:37
Speaker 2: has been siphoned out a big build. The only problem
46:39
Speaker 2: is she's put together a panel and the panel is
46:42
Speaker 2: going to report back before the election in November.
46:45
Speaker 1: On no no, no, no, no, no no.
46:47
Speaker 2: This will be reporting in May next year, six months
46:51
Speaker 2: after the election. Who thinks that's even going to happen.
46:55
Speaker 14: See the absolute the absolute height of just saying to Allen,
46:59
Speaker 14: to put the words victis and integrity in the same
47:01
Speaker 14: sentence is absolutely extraordinary. As you talk about this big
47:04
Speaker 14: build has been the most corrupt exercised by any government
47:09
Speaker 14: that I can remember. But these, all of these corruption
47:11
Speaker 14: commissions have become quite fascical. The IKAK in New South
47:15
Speaker 14: Wales has become a star chamber where you throw mud
47:17
Speaker 14: at your political opponents. Here in the Act, we've got
47:20
Speaker 14: one that's been operating for three years and hasn't actually
47:22
Speaker 14: done anything yet. The National Anti Corruption Commission has now
47:26
Speaker 14: got another corruption commissioner looking at it. It's only been
47:29
Speaker 14: in operation for what a year or so, the commissioner
47:32
Speaker 14: has had to step down again. It hasn't looked at
47:35
Speaker 14: anything either. Iback is just absolutely fascical that in a
47:39
Speaker 14: state like Victoria that seems to run on corruption, you
47:42
Speaker 14: have this thing to make it look like you're doing
47:44
Speaker 14: something about it. I mean, it's extraordinary, which he says
47:47
Speaker 14: is going to be fit for purpose. What has it
47:48
Speaker 14: been all this time?
47:51
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. I mean, we're just being gas lit. Susie knows that,
47:54
Speaker 2: I know it.
47:55
Speaker 1: You know it.
47:56
Speaker 2: Susie and Stephen, thank you very much for that. I
47:58
Speaker 2: appreciate your time thought the program. Tomorrow, we're going to
48:02
Speaker 2: have Pauline Hanson on how she's obviously in the middle
48:04
Speaker 2: of this resurgent of the one nation vote. It'll be
48:08
Speaker 2: very interesting to see what she now believes is going
48:12
Speaker 2: to be turned into actual votes when there is an election.
48:14
Speaker 2: So Pauline Hanson will join us along with all of
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Speaker 2: Chris's regulars. I'll see you tomorrow normal time,