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Hey there, this is Shawna Nissan with Carried Forward.
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This is episode 27, Faith Beyond Words, a conversation with Terry
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and Vincent Rikoff. This is a podcast where we share
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stories of faith, resilience, and hope, reminding you that
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you're not alone. Today we're talking with Terry
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and Vincent about how faith can transform not only our personal
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lives, but our relationship and the work we do.
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When life shapes us, when love anchors us, when lost changes
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us, we are not left behind. We are carried forward, held by
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faith, rooted in purpose, finding our way.
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This is carried forward, a space for stories of resilience,
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purpose and forward resolve. Hi, have you ever had people in
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your life? I'm going to make sure these
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have you ever had people in your life that just you're so close
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to and you see them day-to-day and all that they do that you,
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you didn't even, you forget how amazing that they are.
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You know that in your heart. But then you like, but then you
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think about all the things that they're doing and all the things
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that they're involved with, and then the things that you have
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done with them and you realize like, wow, like, why have I, I
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had them on my podcast? Well, they, that is my, that is
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my guest today, Terry and her husband, Vince.
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They have been friends of mine since before my husband passed
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away. Andy and they came to different
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things with Andy and Terry cut Andy's hair.
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And then we've stayed friends since then and I've watched them
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grow and I know they've probably watched me grow.
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So I'm honored to have them here today.
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Just I'm sitting down with them. I just to talk to them about
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their businesses and their life because it's changed over time.
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They now have a sweet little girl that wasn't expected.
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Yeah. And Harper is what, 3, three
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now? Every years old now and then
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They have two older sons. And tell me how old they are.
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Tyler's 20 and then Charlie is 12.
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Yeah, so. And then Harper's. 3 So yeah,
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quite the spread, yeah. But with that, I'm, I'm just
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honored to welcome here. And it's been a blessing to
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watch their journey unfold and their faith grow.
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And they've seen my faith grow. And I even had the pleasure of
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being at Terry's baptism, which was in.
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Was it 3 years ago? Three years ago.
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And I just thought it was beautiful.
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It was in a hot tub. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was. Yeah.
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So amazing. And then I've watched them grow
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in your comfort in your church and then find a church family
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and all that to start out. Would you guys tell me, like,
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what is your seasonal life that you're in writing?
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Because I've seen it change every.
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Time. Yeah, Yeah.
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Honestly, I think the new word for me is harmonizing.
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That's been really on my heart. A lot of harmonizing.
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Family, work, life, being a wife, being a friend, just
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harmonizing all those things. That's the type of season of
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life that I feel like we're in right now is just balance.
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How do we balance all of that and be present with each one of
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those in our lives? Yeah.
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You know, big thing about me right now is taking the family,
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having Jesus and things of our life that really helped, taking
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violence. And before that we have it, we
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was like very controlling. We're just trying to get the
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handwritten thing. It's all about going on the
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windmill. And we'll burn now, yeah, but
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then will we breed Jesus in our life, in the family it tramped
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through? Yeah.
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And the more we have him in, it's becoming more all the
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burden and over here. And He did us the blessing.
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Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.
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That resonates with me right now and my as he's on is that and
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that's Harper there. She.
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Is is that I just last night or Wednesday at my Bible study, I
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was telling him that my capacity with the Lord at the center of
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my life is so much greater than when he's not.
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And I, I have more things now on my plate than I did before.
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And I'm a lot, I'm less stressed because he's at the center.
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So I get what you're saying. And we'll talk about this real
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quick. I have this shirt on because
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it's, it's helping the deaf community.
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And I was going to mention Vince has his hearing impaired and
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he's signing. So it's amazing.
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If you, if you haven't ever worshipped with a deaf person
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before, you should. It's it's just awesome, Yeah,
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because they they bring the Holy Spirit in their hands and and
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I've had the pleasure of worshiping with Vince and being
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in that and and in the Honduras and watched other girls, young
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girls that we were there trying, helping and loving on.
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And it was showing them the love of Jesus.
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And I watched their faces watching and it was it's that is
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what I think it will be like in heaven.
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Like we're going to watch be watching people worship and
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we're going to be like just in awe.
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Yeah. You know the.
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Beautiful thing in 100 where you hear the mischief speaking
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Danish English and sign off together.
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Yeah. It's like.
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Unity, Evan, it's Unity you. Know and that one with the all.
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Yeah. I'm able to be.
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Me either. That is true.
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I'm glad you meant that. Yeah, because I didn't really
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think about that. But it will like if all
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languages, everything. Yeah, Aligns.
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Yeah. That was the beautiful thing is
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that we all have the same common belief.
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Jesus, it doesn't matter what language you speak or sound,
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we're all together. That's what you're trusting
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about. Yeah.
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Jesus, that's what they want. Yeah, 100% Yeah, it did.
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Mine too. I mean, yeah, 'cause Jesus isn't
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saying and no matter what language, right?
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Amen. So both of them are
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entrepreneurs. I have.
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I've been working with Terry for quite some time.
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She's a client of mine. I'm a client of hers.
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Yes. She owns a natural hair salon in
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San Antonio and what what I help her with is her course
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development. She's also opened up the Root of
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Knowledge Academy and we're getting that spin up.
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And Vince also has recently opened up his own business and
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tell me the name of it because it's not committed.
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Stamar Shamar OK. And when did you open that up?
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I actually started on August 8, two months ago.
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OK. And tell us a little bit and
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then we'll come back to Terry. But tell us a little bit about
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your company because Vince has worked for the government for
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many years. I actually worked for three
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years and then I work with the private company for 12 years.
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Do an environmental yes. Explain that a little bit about
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what you do for the mark. So in my little big blog, but
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I'm more daily mailed in to the air quality.
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So my job would focus on getting a client, a business owner of
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the operator to get the airplane to authorize the operating
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things in the atmosphere like the emission.
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So for example, my biggest clientele was oil gas.
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So my job is to provide them the air for me at the shape to
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approve it and then also help them to have a compliance to
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force without where they can maintain.
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This is based in the federal mandatories.
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OK. So it's a it's a very unique
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environmental fear because it's a very high complex mandatories
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and plummeting and consolation compared to like water or waste
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if you're very simple, but like air just more complicated.
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So the very high level. Air is always changing too.
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Kind of hard to find somebody who have that kind of mindset.
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Second, understanding consolation law writing
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chemistry so many different. OK, so, so but you, so you
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branched off from your private company.
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You you stopped working with them and now you've started your
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own company. So back in April, that was the
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piece where please handle stress and I had a huge wake up call
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from last year medical that would really impact me
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personally in my family to reconsider because I have I have
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a in my head a. Cyst.
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And that's terrifying, but at the same time I wasn't telephone
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because I trusted and died and there OK, guys, This is why I'm
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not going to be I'm not going to be afraid, but I realize that
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I'm the silver. So I promise my daughter bridge
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happened again and it's a step down.
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So then it came back again and then it's been very challenged
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and then I decided to tremendous left Elvis even though the
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financial impact on this and the unknown.
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Yeah. So that really that was hard,
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but I put my trust in my bed. OK.
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This is going to be my first time on 300.
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Yeah, just surrendering to the Lord and where whatever happens,
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happens. And then I'd be sure woman and
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Cyril got pulled me down. And then there was a lady from
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the ECB that were looking for air plumbing guys and she's
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there. You're the only one that I know
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in the parent's area that need air.
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So they need somebody to help that ECB.
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And then I was OK. I'm kind of open to it.
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That was kind of weird. It was like 10 months, nothing
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good. Then I'll mention her.
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I would free to take with her a couple of times without a lot of
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technician. So I pray the night and I asked
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him OK God, I'm not sure what you want me to do, show me
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something. Next morning he gave me true
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content. Oh.
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Wow, that wow. OK, I obey him and then I
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realized I need to have a business to protest.
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I was just trying to protest the pushing or unusual, you know.
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So I go ahead and create a business.
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But before I do that, I was trying to figure out what would
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be the mean. OK so I played a game and then
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when I opened up the book it was in Janitus 215 and it's still
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the war guys put them in and put in the Garden of Eden to take
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care. And then I look it up and I said
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OK and it is the Hebrew word of Tamar and then Tamar it mean and
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bird which is to keep to guard to over 1 to perjure.
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And after this is it so Stammar and down there when I look the
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name around the world, no one have that name and I did that's
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new word. So I set up the daily name for
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15 months. Love.
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That that gives me chills. So Shamar environmental and tell
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me the verse again. It's Genesis.
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Chapter two 16214 OK. That's awesome.
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So protectors of the garden. Yeah, I love that.
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And and I know you and like how much that means to you.
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Like, like how that's not just you.
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Take that to heart. Right.
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Yeah, yeah. That's not just you going, oh,
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oh, it meant something. And I feel the Lord is saying
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that like you take it to heart and we're going to take the
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heart and. I really told my wife that I do
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not want to create an involvemental business because I
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have seen from the other owner who gone through a lot of
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shamans, a lot of struggle. And I'm like, I don't want to be
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in my shoe. Yeah, but God has shown me
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different path that doesn't not need to be in that world, right?
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But we can get together, yeah. And he if he, if he's your
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business partner. Managing for him, Yeah.
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And I love it. I love it.
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It's not about my company. It's basically the founder of
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managing for his community and he gave a lot of blessing.
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I have less time working and making good up income to support
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my families and I feel more relaxed in that dress.
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And not that you're important to move the pressure in my my
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medical situation. And that's when I moved because
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guy, I don't know what I moved and he provides.
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Yeah, it's it's too real. It's like it was out of blue
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that you bring us long term comic on track.
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Yeah. And I told her my wife dairy was
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like, wow, that guy. Oh, wife dairy.
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Yeah. Tell us how you feel about that
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and then we'll talk a little bit about Epadaro.
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I think, you know, honestly, I'm proud of you.
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Thanks for making that room. And I know that it was scary in
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the moment and there's a lot of back and forth and I think in
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the family just that kind of. But I think what also helped is
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bringing Jesus back into the center of this family and
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trusting and moving forward and moving forward.
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That's the key. That's what I think in marriage
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that's important is to support and if one's fallen, what can we
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do to get, you know, get you out of that?
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That's and it goes both ways. I really believe that a lot, you
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know. So because I've seen, I've
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watched you guys support one another, because Terry's been
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her own business owner, too, and you've supported her and loving
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her and, and doing all kinds of things.
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So now she's returning the favor.
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Yeah. She's they're teaching me a lot
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of things. How long have you had Evadaro?
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Evadaro is the name of Terry's Natural hair Salon in San
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Antonio. 10 years. Well, ten years, 10 years of
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ownership of that and 18 years as a hairdresser and he's been
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with me the whole way through my ups and downs and all the way
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the loops around and he's been on.
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The. Adventure.
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With me so so she has some lessons to learn again to share
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with you Yep Yep, along the way I mean and.
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He's been through those lessons, I mean.
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So yeah, yeah, it's not like you were on the sad lines.
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You were in there, too. He was in there.
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Kyle Keep. Going.
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Yeah, I. I want to say something about
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scary. I'm also a spot of hers for the
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last three years. She also transforming her SO and
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the business. Yeah, I've witnessed that too.
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They were kind of hard at first, but she found to get better at
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demanding and let him go. And then the blossom coming in.
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Recently, right now is the blessing.
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Yeah, and she's learned the lesson of saying no.
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Yes, I'm seeing. That, Yeah, yeah.
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And it's kind of beautiful to watch you do that and even
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saying no to yourself, right, Which I think is the hardest.
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Yeah, that has been the hardest, but it just like with Shamar
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Environmental, it being God's business and for me to how it's
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helped me to surrender is using the gifts and talents that He's
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given me and now turning and sharing those gifts and talents
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for others. That's really what He's been
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revealing to me a lot now recently.
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And I think it's always been in my heart.
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But more so how can I be a steward?
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I'm his vessel. This is your business.
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What can I do for you to glorify you every single day?
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Keep moving. So the more of that perspective,
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the more shifts your mind and and letting go of the control.
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I think if you are yeah. And in your heart, right?
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Definitely. Because you can say that, right?
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But your heart has to. Say you have to.
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Yeah. And invite the Holy Spirit every
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single day to remind you, Jeremiah.
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So yeah. Yeah, I was thinking about my
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own stuff. And we're all a work in progress
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on this side of heaven. So tell us a little bit about
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it's all about and then share with us how that has been
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showing up lately where you were saying the Lord is showing you
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to Stewart Stewart, all of that. So talk about Ecuador first,
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because we we haven't even mentioned what it really is.
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Oh yeah. And.
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So it is a natural salon and what that means.
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So I'll just start from it all started when I was a kid and
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walking out the door, going to school, my mom giving me fresh,
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fresh carrot juice before I even understood what that meant.
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Thank you mom, and thank you God for you know, so the natural,
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definitely organic, all of that aligns with how my mom raised
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me. And then being in the industry
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and serving guests, I've seen many people come to me with
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sensitivities, cancer, dermatitis, just all these
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different things that has opened those doors.
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And so why I want to move Clean Beauty more into our industry is
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that there are better ways, right, to bring.
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And I've seen them first hand, being behind the chair for 18
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years, things that have worked, somebody that's gone through
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remission, being able to offer them something that is a little
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bit more on the tree inside. And I just visited Bologna,
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Italy. That's the I know, right, the
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product and that's, and what's amazing is the product line that
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I use away. It's called organic Whey, but it
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aligns with a lot with what Vince was saying about it all
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starts with the soil, right. So I like to think of it as as
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I'm using clean beauty, we start with the soil.
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So our scalp is like the soil and what we put on it is what's
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going to make it stronger. And so the farm in Bologna where
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that really sticks out to me is seeing a company that does take
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care of the environment, that truly does take care of what
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they're putting in the products. And so that's where I've always
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been my driver of having the natural salon.
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But now how bringing Jesus into the business, it's more so now
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how can I educate more people because I feel like there's a
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lot more sensitivities happening.
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There's a lot, you know, process I think of like processed foods,
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it's same in turn with processed products.
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That's kind of how I look at it, right?
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So it's just bringing more awareness on that and how to
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teach stylists. But at the end of the day, as
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stylists, we're servers, right? That's that's our business is
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serving people. So how can now we turn and share
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his light by being a good steward, me walking.
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He's he's he's in control of the which direction I walk, but also
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implementing the education of his life through our industry
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and through the people that might be sitting through your
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chair. You know, it's he's showing that
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that way. And I I want to be like Jesus
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every single day. And and I hope that as I
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continue on this journey that his life will radiate so more
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people will come to his life. So in hindsight, yeah, that's.
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And that in the natural. Salon, Evadaro salon and all of
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that so. Tell us what Evadaro stands.
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For Evadaro means beautiful Princess or beautiful goddess,
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or for beautiful gentlemen, kind of like.
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In Korea, and so Terry has been doing natural hair salon before.
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It was cool, yes. From way like, well, pretty
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much, yeah. My whole, my whole career, it
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was very lonely for a while. I'm really excited that our
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industry is definitely moving more towards that.
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We're seeing a lot more of that. So it's exciting to be because
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of that. The the way I found Terry became
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friends with her is Andy his disease he also had where his
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body did not detox properly. So I'm, I started getting rid of
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everything toxic in our life. And then I, that even came to me
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like even though Andy didn't get his hair colored or anything
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like that, but I did. And so I was trying to get all
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the toxins out of our life as much as possible because you
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can't eliminate all of them. And then that's how I came
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across Terry in her salon because she was one of the only
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two natural hair salons in San Antonio.
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And I did go to the other person one, but I've found Harry and I
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just liked it was well, more well suited for me.
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And back then we're using away. Yeah.
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And so I now, however many years later, I'm still going.
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To, I know it was organic color systems maybe and then we
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switched over to a work. Yeah, I think that's where we
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get it anyway. Yeah, an organic hair color and
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I was trying to think when that was that would have, it's been
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over 10 years, I'd say like. 14 years.
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And I initially was a client just getting my hair done and
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Andy's haircut. And then I, I guess I, I don't
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even know how I came about and doing your horse development.
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But anyway I. Think we're probably doing the
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color and talking and then this idea like I always do.
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And I was like, hey, like I do that kind of stuff.
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And yeah, it has been, I've been doing that since 2023.
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I think it's yeah, it's been. And I and it's been so cool
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because I've, I've developed a lot of training for Terry in
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house and manuals because that's just my bed and bread and
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butter. Like from being in the military,
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like since I was 18. I like just it works.
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It clicks in my head like. System.
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Then so, but I've seen full circle like things I've built
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for her or her employees have when they're doing my hair, they
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don't know who I am because I'm not in the forefront of her.
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But they'll be telling me different things that they've
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learned and trained on or all asking questions and they like
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are telling me things that I have developed for her.
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And it's amazing. Like yay, that actually helped
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them. You know, it's not about me, but
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it's just I'm excited that what I've created for you has
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actually worked and helped you like.
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Be recognized. Yeah, be organized and trying to
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light on what you're trying to teach them, right, right.
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Because Terry is all about teaching her hair stylist like
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to be more educated. And it's not about Terry and the
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salon, it's about them and their growth.
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Absolutely. And like how they can become
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better hair stylists and better serve their flight a bit.
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Be better or be a steward so and everything you're doing.
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And so I've helped her do that and seen it come full circle.
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So it's amazing to do that. And then Terry's just a delight
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to be around. She has energy and just it's
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awesome. That's why I heard those funky
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Hopper and yes. She is.
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But I I've just been blessed to see both of you and I've gotten
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to know Vince a little bit better through action.
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Learned a lot. Honduras.
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Honduras trip, Our mission trip. Yeah, because I knew Vince just
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kind of as Terry's husband. But then when we went to the
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Honduras trip together, which we went with a radiate coalition to
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Honduras and we were at, what's the name of the house?
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It doesn't matter. But yeah, we went and we were
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with young ladies that just needed some Lebanon.
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That have been traffic that. Yeah, I've been saved from a
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life of traffic and we were sharing the love of Jesus.
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And I think that's the most important thing.
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Not not necessarily even preaching to people, but you're
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coming to them and they're like, Jesus is loving me and I'm going
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to love you the way that's his love, right?
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And you felt his love. That's that's where we saw his
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presence big time. And that's where I got to know
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Vincent a little bit better and just seeing his love for the
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Lord and this how he wanted to share that with others and how
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he's bold in his faith. And that's been really blessing
30:09
to see. Things being boring and beating
30:15
the truth it what Jesus knew. But sometimes I have to admit I
30:24
didn't have to fear that obey the Lord, I should do it.
30:31
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, I think if you
30:33
didn't have some fear, we'd be a little bit sorry.
30:38
Yeah, then arrogance by. So now it's just been I mean to
30:46
see you guys have grown over all this time and they've seen me
30:51
walk through some grief and lose my husband and see him sick and
30:56
all that and they've they've stayed true friends.
30:58
They didn't get weirded out or scared away.
31:03
And yeah, it's just been beautiful to journey with you
31:06
guys and watch your journey, watch your marriage get stronger
31:11
and then even like as you're your fate has gotten stronger,
31:14
just watch you become, I don't know, even more beautiful in
31:20
walking your journey as parents and us as spouses.
31:23
Yeah. It's been beautiful.
31:25
Thank you, Jesus. It's been fun watching you too,
31:28
Shawna. Thank.
31:31
You, yeah, I was going to be looking and I, I do remember.
31:36
And then after his passing and then your struggle and your solo
31:41
journey and also being your daughters, it changed a lot
31:49
until now. And I also see you're grown.
31:53
Yeah. And you're you're more delight
31:58
than your children. I am, yeah.
32:00
That's because of the Lord. Yeah, that's that Holy Spirit
32:03
giving me some joy. Joy and patience and kindness.
32:07
And. Right.
32:10
But so just love that, love that you guys noticed that of me
32:15
because I definitely have noticed it in you guys.
32:17
So let's talk about about your faith and your transformation.
32:26
I remember your bantism you spoke about and that seemed to
32:31
be like an important part of your journey of like the
32:36
starting of this. Yeah.
32:39
Of. And I've seen some real like the
32:41
Holy Spirit changing, right. And you have been one of two
32:47
people that I've been of course, been personal to see like the
32:52
Holy Spirit like change you and it be sweet, but a rat.
33:00
And we're back. We're back.
33:04
So Terry, you, we were talking about your baptism and kind of
33:07
like the change after that. You want to share with us what
33:13
that meant for you and Vince, if you'll share what that meant for
33:17
you too. Well, that's a good question.
33:22
What that meant for me, it's when I got submersed in the
33:26
water, it was me turning away from my old self.
33:30
But I'm telling you, the first year was rough.
33:32
It wasn't easy to he, he spoke a lot of truth into me and it's
33:40
accepting those truths about me and the shame things that I've
33:43
done, you know, all those things that I've been carrying weight
33:46
and stuff. And that first year was him just
33:49
kind of pulling me down deep, digging down deep.
33:54
And it was very my first very Bible studies.
33:58
She was on Joseph. But I think the one that really
34:02
where he really spoke to me a lot was in Hagar and how God
34:07
meets you where no matter what you are Hagar in the desert, in
34:10
the middle of the desert after you know, you know the story
34:13
about Hagar, right? Run away.
34:16
Shit, yes, that was really where I, my freedom came in to start
34:23
that relationship and that. Hunger for His word and.
34:26
Wanting to learn more and and just that journey of wanting to
34:30
just continuously to keep reading his word and I have to
34:34
say his word is what is the food is what is feeding me to help
34:39
change and transform and really recognize like hey, that's he's
34:45
created me for his purpose, not let my old ways all that it's
34:50
turned away from that. Yeah, the salt pillar of salt,
34:54
the Saddam, the story that one always don't ever look back.
34:58
That's not who you are. You know, so that's what that
35:01
meant for me in that journey and I'm still.
35:05
Growing and moving forward. Moving forward, Yeah, don't.
35:09
Don't dwell on that. I mean, we all come from hurt,
35:13
but now it's recognizing that hurt and being OK in his
35:18
presence with it, you know, and now recognizing how can, how can
35:22
I serve for somebody else? We're all hurting in this world.
35:26
And when? So when the Lord did meet you?
35:29
Yeah. Was he gentle?
35:34
Like, tell me about that. I'm going to shut.
35:36
This. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:38
Sorry. You got TV in the background.
35:45
He was very gentle. I think it was more that was me
35:49
being hard on it, but he was definitely gentle as far as the
35:54
delivery more repeated. Yeah, more repeated times.
35:58
And the reason to ask that is because, like he showed to me
36:01
some things that I need to repent of and like come to him
36:05
and ask for forgiveness. And he's always gentle, like I'm
36:10
a hard on myself and I'm beating myself up.
36:12
But he always shows up in this like, you know what?
36:16
Yeah. I'm showing you this because I
36:18
love you. Yeah.
36:19
And I don't want you to. Carry this anymore?
36:21
Yeah. Yeah, he definitely did that for
36:23
me. Any people he's placed in my
36:26
life throughout this whole journey, too.
36:30
I have to give it to my friend Natalie, too.
36:32
That's kind of took in me and explain to me the Bible, how to
36:36
read the Bible and things like that.
36:38
And I really appreciate her because she helped also to
36:43
gently remind me as I was going like the first, very first Bible
36:46
study, I sat and I'm like, why are these people so joy joyful?
36:49
I don't understand. I'm not a joyful person, but
36:53
like truly to feel the joy and it radiating.
36:57
And I was like, gosh, I want more of that.
36:59
You know, what does that mean? And but my pride, of course, was
37:03
in the way. And a lot of things, I think I
37:05
was born in a Korean culture where you're raised to be very
37:10
independent womanpower. I grew up in the 90s too, so it
37:13
was all Spice Girls womanpower, you know?
37:17
But I love how he's layered me and it and it's so beautiful
37:23
and, and also feeling that alone.
37:26
I think a lot of it is the loneliness that I felt for a
37:28
very long time and the void that I kept putting in with things of
37:33
my work, trying to fill the loneliness.
37:37
And he's definitely revealed that I'm not alone.
37:41
Every single Bible story that I read, who's in it?
37:45
God, He's, he sees you where you're at.
37:47
He's always with you. Woman at the water.
37:50
Well, I mean that that one always a Samaritan woman.
37:54
He's the first person he spoke to, yes.
37:56
It's amazing, Yeah. So he's done amazing things and
38:00
he's still continuing to do amazing things.
38:02
So and I just, it's been, it's been really beautiful.
38:07
And I have to give it to Vince too.
38:09
He's always had faith from day one since we've met with.
38:15
And he's just, and she's always been my rock in that way as
38:19
well. Just reminding me.
38:21
So I have to give it to him too, but.
38:26
Yeah, it's been, yeah, it's been amazing.
38:29
Yeah, it's an amazing journey and I've.
38:32
I've seen through you his light shine and then like just the
38:39
Terry's always been a super kind person.
38:42
But like the kindness has even amplified more like when when
38:48
Jesus is bleeding that like like her kindness is not no longer an
38:54
obligation to be kind. Yeah, you can.
38:58
I'm doing that. It just flows through her and
39:01
like it's kindness because she feels the kindness, not like I
39:06
have to be kind. Right, I can see that.
39:09
People. Please, I like to say I'm
39:12
pleasing the Lord. That's it.
39:16
So then what is What did that day mean for you?
39:20
Her baptism? Did it change anything in you
39:26
or? I mean, it did.
39:28
I were very not shocked but very surprised when Terry came in and
39:37
did they. I'm good at that time.
39:45
Where did that come from? What happened here?
39:48
You know that it it the blessing.
39:51
It was like the painting. So she did her baptized and then
39:57
I start to see her slow and it was a struggle in the beginning,
40:02
but she's motivated reading the Bible, telling even with an inch
40:06
or in the eye. It really helped her she
40:08
navigate. Chicken with the word of God and
40:14
that really helps and I personally decided to read that.
40:21
Site to OK be. With the six month, 8 month
40:25
after she did OK, I keep getting the the mudge to read that type
40:34
and the reason why I had that mudge is because I knew that I
40:37
did that type all of the baby, but I don't remember like I
40:42
mean, obviously we were being available.
40:44
So I was talking to my pastor Lily that just on that one
40:49
church and just pointed to me like, you know, I did baptized
40:52
in the Romans church and is it long to be baptized Looking at
40:58
me and at the well, you guys are baptizing now.
41:04
Can I do it now? And we have one more room for
41:08
you. So I went in with my gene and he
41:13
said you have up your clothes. I said well thank God I do, it's
41:16
in my trust. So then went in and got re backs
41:20
out. I feel.
41:26
Yeah. Renewed.
41:29
Relieved I don't feel the guilt because God had been told me to
41:33
be godson for a long time that in my wish I will kind of
41:38
rebelled. But even though when Terry was
41:41
saying that I do have to yes, I believe in Jesus all my life,
41:46
but what I have realized was I would be Luke.
41:51
OK yeah. It's like yeah, I believe in
41:54
Jesus Christ, but I would not form.
41:57
I see Yeah. You are on a relationship.
42:00
Yeah. There's a difference.
42:02
There's a difference. So my God be baptized and then I
42:10
told Trish, God is telling me we need to create a deaf Bible
42:18
setting. She looking at me and she
42:21
thought, Oh no, I have that same message what she have.
42:30
It was guy time. So we both did it at the same
42:33
time and we create one and then we go from there and be honest
42:37
with you creating a Bible study. I was nervous because I don't
42:43
read the Bible word. I don't know the word and I'm
42:46
not ready to help other. The guy pushed.
42:52
That's that's kind of his mode of operation.
42:55
Yeah. He like he likes to get people
42:57
that need him to do what he wants them to do.
43:01
Throwing me on the other side that I have never seen before
43:05
and it it's a blessing because I'm learning Yeah go during that
43:15
journey after I got down kite my my third time alone longer,
43:21
faster and closer with Jesus everyday and be more like him.
43:26
I love that. So you created a Bible study for
43:31
the deaf community? Or.
43:34
So tell us we're working on the deaf community that we realize
43:39
that guy it also helping other family, mostly the parents who
43:46
have the deaf children that have no the background of the GAF
43:52
kosher or the GAF community. And we realize why we're here.
43:57
It's because you're helping them to understand and they're
44:01
learning some language more and building the confidence in
44:07
knowing that their children have their potential than they think.
44:13
They see the example of me and Trish.
44:17
Yeah. I love that because most of
44:22
their parents are here. Yep.
44:28
So let's talk about your marriage, your communities with
44:34
the deaf community and Terry, your, your involvement with
44:38
that. And then just your hair
44:40
community too, because you're I know of late we've been talking
44:46
about when we're developing stuff to ensure that we're
44:49
showing the, you know, Jesus love women.
44:54
You, you feel on your heart that in the hair community that
44:58
needs, there's a need. Yeah.
45:00
Yeah, absolutely. Talk to me about that and then
45:03
you can talk to me more about the deaf community.
45:06
So as far as community, I think community is definitely
45:10
important to have. And I think that's what I love
45:12
about my job is I get to serve people every single day.
45:16
That can be can turn into community as well.
45:19
But as far as our industry, and I think I think of any industry,
45:24
right? And how can we be of that
45:27
steward of that position, no matter where we're at, even if
45:31
we're not, if it's not a non believer, how do we show up for
45:35
them as a non believer? And I did, I would lead, I did
45:40
lead a Bible study group last year, kind of like then.
45:44
So I was like, they asked me and I was like, I don't know what
45:47
I'm doing, but I have to say, I, you know, when that door is
45:52
open, you say yes. And I learned a lot being a
45:54
leader because it put me in the position that, you know, it
45:57
motivated me to. I need to read everything that
46:00
I'm doing and be prepared So when I do go to everybody, but
46:05
that kind of so I stopped doing that and now I'm just a
46:08
participant, but that set me up to how can I now do that in my
46:13
work environment? How can I, how can I put
46:17
implement into that? Had to speak up in front of
46:20
people. Not my favorite thing to do, but
46:23
I, I was put in that position last year and the leadership and
46:27
I really appreciate it because as he's sharpening my sword,
46:31
right to be that person. And then as far as marriage, I
46:38
definitely love that our conversations are now more
46:41
biblical. We talk about scripture, we talk
46:44
about how can we improve it. And also our kids are hearing
46:47
that where it used to be come home, complain about our day
46:52
because we're exhausted or this this happened and it was just
46:56
it's now transformed into, hey, this was our day.
47:01
How did we handle the situation and talking to our children that
47:05
way as well. I think that that's been a
47:07
really big thing in our marriage and taking time with each other
47:13
too, which that we're still working on that.
47:17
Have you seen a, have you seen a chain in your children from that
47:21
shift and you guys? Absolutely.
47:24
I think it it even with our oldest one.
47:29
OK, I mean, he, he wasn't raised, he didn't raise him in a
47:34
church environment, but he at least to send him to church
47:39
groups and activities. He.
47:40
Went to Tyler, I got to know him better because he went to Camp
47:44
Agape and that's a Christian organization.
47:49
And it was interesting to see him like, because I could, I
47:53
could tell that he was not familiar with like the Christian
47:58
kind of ways of doing things, but he was interested and he was
48:04
curious and he had some good questions that he asked.
48:09
And yeah, I enjoyed seeing that. And then I even, I don't know, I
48:19
don't know if he remembers this, but well, I mean, he's not here
48:22
to talk. But like there was even a
48:24
situation that I tried to gently correct because someone
48:27
questioned if he was a Christian or went to church or whatever.
48:31
And he answered honestly and was like, no, I'm like, you know,
48:35
and I was like, and it doesn't matter.
48:38
Like he's here to help. And like, isn't that the point?
48:42
Like we want to reach others that are not in in Christ and,
48:49
and show that they can help and then therefore we can help them.
48:53
Yeah, yeah. And say, hey, like this is what
48:56
you can be involved with. And this is how we love all
48:59
people and, and it doesn't matter.
49:02
If you if. You know the world right now.
49:04
He knows you. Right.
49:06
And we love you. Right.
49:07
Yeah, Yeah. I think that in turn kind of
49:10
feeding off of that one part is God's created each one of us and
49:16
to now look at people believing or non believer.
49:18
I think it's it's important you're farmers.
49:21
That's how I like to say we're farmers and we got to keep
49:23
plowing, keep seeding, keep throwing the seeds out there in
49:26
the field. Because I'm grateful, right?
49:30
Cultivating because I have to say throughout my younger years
49:34
and throughout, there's always been people that he's placed in
49:37
my life that were constantly throwing seeds my way.
49:40
And I have refused at the time. But now I'm so grateful because
49:44
those I do think about those moments when people did share
49:47
their experience or try to correct me and I appreciate them
49:50
now. Look, they come back.
49:52
And so I could be that person. We all could be that person to
49:55
somebody, right? Or that seat back to the
49:57
marriage of Tyler. He, he sees the transformation.
50:04
I, I, I really think in our family.
50:07
And every time we do prayer, he joins in the prayer.
50:10
He doesn't question it. He doesn't he's not, he's I just
50:13
he's very flexible and open to it.
50:16
Yeah. But he had a lot of questions,
50:20
and I don't blame that because I used to be like that, you know,
50:25
like when I was in school, I learned science.
50:30
Yeah, it's very different. But we're being very patient.
50:37
They're giving them time, you know, And now we're Speaking of
50:40
the other two kids. We didn't force it.
50:45
We didn't we made them do what we want them to do.
50:49
We should get down and say that's what we're doing today.
50:52
If you want to join us, go ahead.
50:54
And then the intro and one thing I really love is we have our
50:58
weather Bible study every Thursday with a different family
51:04
and we've got. 44 different families that get together every
51:07
Thursday night and we break right, we're going to go.
51:11
They look real, I'm for sure. Yeah.
51:22
Yeah, we did A and and what what we do every Thursday is we first
51:27
engage the kids first with the first like last Thursday, one of
51:31
our friends, Jenny, I love she put a play together for all of
51:36
us off the Samaritan woman at the well.
51:39
And then one was the when Jesus on the storm and the storm in
51:44
the sea. So the kids reenacted that like
51:49
and just said things like that. And then we break out in session
51:53
and and then it's the adults that come together and then we
51:56
pick a topic like last week. It was hope.
51:59
So every Thursday for the past two years has it been, I think
52:03
one year? One year and a.
52:05
Half a year and a half, almost two years that we've been
52:08
meeting every Thursday night. So they all have kids.
52:12
They all have kids. So for community, I mean, we all
52:16
look forward to that, you know? And yeah.
52:19
Teen, other family also growing. Oh my gosh, that would be just
52:23
saying like one year ago where we all were and how they've
52:28
we've all transformed Florida, Florida.
52:31
After building that soil, huh? Changing in careers and then
52:35
they had another person change career, change jobs from the
52:39
same time. It's kind of funny it all
52:41
happened and just different things.
52:43
And able to support one another. Exactly.
52:46
That's amazing. Yeah.
52:47
So yeah, community is so. Important.
52:49
We share our opinion, our journey, and we're helping.
52:54
Sure, yeah. That's what community is
52:56
supposed to be about. Yeah, not about perfection, but
52:59
like, hey, we're having a hard time with this.
53:01
Can you ask? What would you do or can you
53:04
pray for me or absolutely having the hard conversations?
53:10
So Vince, tell us a little bit about the deaf community and
53:13
like, so you started the the Bible study and like share
53:18
whatever you want to share about that.
53:23
So with the dead Bible saying there's something that very
53:29
critical is that there's only 2% of the deaf population in the
53:37
world know Jesus. So only 2% know Jesus.
53:45
To me, when I saw that number, I felt I was kind of no way.
53:51
And it breaks my heart. And then I realized that the
53:56
communication barrier and they are hungry, but they're hurting
54:04
you because of the Justin. So for example, there's so many
54:09
different charters, but they don't have them in trouble.
54:15
OK. And they asked for that.
54:17
Oh Nope, sorry, no interpreter. And then they have to go farther
54:22
and farther and farther. So there's a lot of barriers.
54:27
So I realized why God put me in there, because He sharpened my
54:31
blade by manner He cared anytime in his room.
54:38
There will be a day where we're going to start blaming the word
54:44
of God. What faster than we think should
54:47
out reach the deaf community and also not only deaf community,
54:54
but starting the awareness about well in the meeting to have a
55:00
new vision answer and I would really wonder example was the
55:04
white manner media through the content coming up in two weeks
55:10
in November 5th year November or since May we request from each
55:14
other and like Nope, that's a good.
55:19
There's a conference coming up for what?
55:23
There's a conference in Dallas from big benders work to exist
55:28
and they have like many different pasture like well, no,
55:33
and we have a worship, but everybody coming.
55:36
But we requested to interpret it, but unfortunately they're
55:39
not home. They're going to provide it
55:41
because of the budget. And they're like, no, I budget.
55:47
So some definite year to two years.
55:49
So we paid for it. We, we accommodate the hotel.
55:53
It was right now. So we involved at many different
55:58
level of people. And after that it's just saying
56:02
no, no, no, no. And then that's where session I
56:05
decided, you know what? Their heart is hardened.
56:09
So he's told. And then the you, they're from
56:13
you, you're knighted. Then that's it, the community
56:21
united and then we should got a good news last Monday last.
56:26
Monday. They said we have somebody that
56:30
willing to donate their time to interpret it.
56:35
Oh, that's amazing that. Prayer, but it take a lot of
56:40
layer, Yeah, it shouldn't go through lots of challenge and
56:45
barrier and that's where the deaf community are beaching all
56:48
the time. So they give up.
56:52
So we want to change from that 2% to 90%.
56:57
That's the missionary right now that we're looking at and it's
57:02
not only my choice, but we collaborate.
57:09
So I mean that we can't do it online, and it's not only one
57:15
church, but if we cooperate with different earth leaders who are
57:20
deaf leaders, we all can work together and spray the good news
57:26
in our community. And that's what I realized.
57:29
That's what God is showing me. Like, yeah, so let's say that
57:33
again. So you want to go from 2% to
57:35
9098% that has that has heard the Lord.
57:40
So right now he's staying in the deaf community.
57:43
Only 2% of the community has heard about the Lord and they
57:47
and their their wish, their hope, their prayer is to get
57:51
98%. Yeah, Pray for, pray for that,
57:53
yes. And and he's you've realized
57:58
like you got to, it has to, it can't just be one person.
58:01
It had to be the whole community working towards that.
58:04
Yep, yeah. And I just want you to like go
58:11
over again, just restate what the discouraging factor is.
58:17
Why, why the deaf community often times may go to church,
58:22
but then they're like, this isn't for me.
58:25
Can you restate that? Because I think that's an
58:27
important point that churches and communities need to know
58:31
like. What I have learned is that.
58:45
What I have learned is that most of the church have never
58:52
experienced A portion, a deaf portion and a lot of time this
58:57
fear because I don't know how to talk or or where somebody that
59:03
no time angry or you got to be. Can you tell him you know So
59:07
it's a lot of lack of and the second thing is that what
59:14
surprised me is unity. They didn't mention in the Bible
59:20
about what we share the common belief we should be helping
59:27
others who need help. And I realized at the church
59:36
they're lacking. So that where at the deaf person
59:41
who advocates, we have to go in and teach the church leaders.
59:47
It didn't happen overnight, but it takes time.
59:50
But I realized the timing, it takes longer.
59:54
So we have to turn something where we have to spray awareness
1:00:01
in the deaf community. To teach the the worship in the
1:00:08
church where they have the like annual worship or something, I
1:00:12
think they need to have some what a deaf awareness and I
1:00:17
think that will help to break the barrier.
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But also the financial cost of an interpreter can be very
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expensive and that was the biggest issue.
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They can't afford it, and I am. I understand that a lot of time
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the interpreter of volunteers. And if you're in a small town,
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or if you're in a big specific church, it's hard to finding
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someone who will be able to volunteer.
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Yeah, Yeah. I think the education piece of
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that is important because I think you know someone that I've
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only learned through you the difficulties that the community
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has and has made me aware enough to go out and seek and to learn,
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right. I think a lot of the hearing
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community because we don't have it in our lives everyday, just
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like any like even with Andy with it and it's not the same,
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but like when I went out and people didn't know his illness.
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And I'm not saying deaf is an illness by any means.
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I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying like I educated
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people and then leave them less fearful, right?
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And so I'm saying like the only commonality is like educating
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people and then making them less fearful because like, I know me
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as a person that had never interacted with a lot the deaf
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community, like I didn't want to thin I didn't know what to do.
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And now, like for you, I've learned a lot more and I'm not
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so scared. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Know what I have found to is that people do get excited when
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they want to learn. You know when you actually have
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the, you know just sitting from making things get excited about.
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It I don't, I don't think I've ever shared this with you, but
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Athena, when she was a little girl and they were saying you
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needed to take another language, you know the language.
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She came to me and said she wanted to take sign language,
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but I didn't know how to get her sign language.
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They don't offer that in school. Yeah.
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And they kept going, well, we have Spanish and we have German
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and she's like, no, I want sign language.
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And so I tried to help her, like find it online, but it's not the
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same. So, yeah, right there.
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And she was little. She That's the language she
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wanted to learn. Well, what the beautiful thing
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that, Neil, we have technology. I'm using my iPhone right now
1:02:42
with caption. Yeah.
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I mean, I don't pay for it. It's all included, you know.
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So life training, they have caption and the technology,
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they're getting better and better and it can come more.
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Easier. Easier and not cost.
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I mean, I'm sure there's some cost, but much?
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Smaller. Much smaller than having to have
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a person every time. Well, one thing I have learned
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is that the death the sign language is several the grammar
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trust sort of different in English.
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So reading, writing can be hard, but that's why we create ASL
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Bible study to be open and share the ASL in time.
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And they feel more fall into the Bible because they understand
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what is being you're reading. Like I don't understand it, but
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when he's friendly and signed it they're like wow.
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Well, it's just like when we were in Honduras and they were
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singing in Spanish or reading the scripture in Spanish.
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Yeah, I didn't know what 100% and I was uncomfortable.
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But Ellie, I knew that. I knew what verse they were
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reading, reading and I knew it in English.
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So it's the same thing like. And I felt more comfortable
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because I knew it in English, but when I was in Spanish, I was
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uncomfortable. Like I knew what it was.
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But yeah. So it's the same premise.
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Like if you're trying to learn something new, new scriptures,
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Bible in the Bible. And it's like in any language.
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Or even if you can't understand, it can be hard to understand.
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Right, right, right. So then like I can definitely
1:04:33
see like they're trying, they're one trying to like understand
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the Bible, right? And then and then it's not in
1:04:40
their language. So yeah.
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And also one one more thing I would have added is animal the
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bullshit and I realized. It's.
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Good. OK, the dipole shit.
1:05:01
I realized there's not many dead dipole shit like leader and we
1:05:08
need more than those. That makes sense.
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So it looks like guided training on mining.
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Thank you, Harper. I'm going to go on that side
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actually. Thinking of the thankful shit, I
1:05:27
realized that. Just OK if you can't stay on the
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camera. Thank you.
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Well, we're done until we learn about the thankful shit.
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We need more type of shit. More farmers?
1:05:47
More farmers, that's where we're like, OK, so we need to teach
1:05:54
them and then they need to spray in their community because every
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individual have their own community.
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They can start from there and they spread and spread.
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The discipleship in the community and then they spread
1:06:09
for that. I love that, but but you need
1:06:15
the community to come around and develop those disciples.
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The the decide to discipleship the disciples to go out, right.
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Yeah. So that and that's what you're,
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you're working on kind of doing that now with your Bible study.
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Right. I mean, I start, yeah.
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My community. Yeah, my parents, yeah.
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And. Then all start at home.
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Too. Yeah, it's always start at home,
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you know. Start at home first, yeah?
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OK, thank you both for sharing with me.
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We're going to wrap it up. Lil Harper, she's been a trooper
1:06:49
through all of this. Thank you for allowing.
1:06:52
Us to do this in your home. Thank you yeah it's been so nice
1:06:56
like just talking with you guys about I mean we're we're always
1:07:00
we often see each other. I don't see you as much as I see
1:07:03
Terry and I see her usually on video, but like, it's just nice
1:07:08
to sit down and talk to you guys about like life and what's going
1:07:11
on. And so thanks for sharing with
1:07:13
me and all the things that you're involved with and how
1:07:17
God's working. I can, I mean, I see it from
1:07:19
that side, but to hear it from you is, is very meaningful.
1:07:23
And your life, too, Terry. Like I see you like just in all
1:07:28
that we developed together. And then just within your own
1:07:32
salon. You've even had one of your hair
1:07:35
stylists recently get baptized. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:07:39
Jamie, Jamie says she's going to come to church with you
1:07:41
tomorrow, so it's kind of amazing.
1:07:44
Wonderful. I invited her to come to
1:07:49
Hillside, but I just thank you both.
1:07:54
We're going to wrap it up now. What I hear is that being
1:07:58
carried forward like and we didn't specifically use those
1:08:03
words, but you, you guys have been caring for lots of things
1:08:06
throughout your life and and the Lord has just been there to help
1:08:11
you carry the weight of all that thing.
1:08:12
Absolutely your new endeavors and it just I've seen you be you
1:08:21
choosing faith and love again and again and like that shining
1:08:25
through both of you and just and then like the weight of life
1:08:31
I've seen in you with you choosing faith and love to get
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lighter, yes. Amen.
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Yep, and carry forward. Yes, and carry forward.
1:08:39
So thank you both for just being here.
1:08:42
Anything else you want to add or share before we go?
1:08:45
Thank you for listening. Thank you for having us on the
1:08:48
show, Shawna. We appreciate you.
1:08:51
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1:08:55
Jeff, I just share it with other people, reach out if you have
1:09:01
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1:09:04
carrying forward in your life. And we hope that is in love that
1:09:09
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