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The Late Debate | 3 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the late base, A good evening, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm James MacPerson with the Nikka, the Georgio and Caleb Bond,
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  Speaker 1: who is very happy because his football team are back
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  Speaker 1: on the winner's list.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely thumped, and yesterday it was magnificent. Now, to
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  Speaker 2: be fair, it was esen indeed, but it was a
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  Speaker 2: nice little margin booster. We're into fourth on the ladder
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  Speaker 2: now they had laid crows, so you know it's all
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  Speaker 2: looking good.
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  Speaker 1: Should we talk about the West Coast Eagles Anika.
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  Speaker 3: No, the West Coast Eagles a very long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: Should we talk about North Melbourne?
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  Speaker 1: James, Yes, North Melbourne finishing thirteenth this year, which was
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  Speaker 1: the best we've done in about six years. So we're
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  Speaker 1: the only people that finishing thirteenth makes usseration. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're happy. Thirteenth is great. Here's what's coming up on
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  Speaker 1: the program tonight. Pauline Hanson Band's unfriendly media outlets from
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  Speaker 1: her press conference. Good move from a woman sick of
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  Speaker 1: being pushed around or a dangerous president that endangers democracy.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC airs a segment on space travel, claiming the
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  Speaker 1: moon is part of and I quote indigenous sky country
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  Speaker 1: turns out there's no escaping inclusion and diversity, not even
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  Speaker 1: at three hundred and eighty four thousand kilometers above the earth.
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  Speaker 1: The New Zealand Greens declare that English is a quote
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  Speaker 1: bastard language as they oppose a move to recognize English
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  Speaker 1: is one of the country's official languages, which is an
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  Speaker 1: interesting position for people expressing their opposition in English. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get to all of that in the moment, But first,
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  Speaker 1: should parents use trackers to monitor their children's whereabouts? There's
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  Speaker 1: a report in the Career Mail today that warned that
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  Speaker 1: parents who use smart tags and iPhone apps to track
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  Speaker 1: their kids whereabouts risks stunting their children's independence. The report
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  Speaker 1: also warns that tracking your children could normalize coercive control.
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  Speaker 1: Give me a break. Next they'll slam parents who insist
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  Speaker 1: their children eat their vegetables for creating eating disorders. Or
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  Speaker 1: they'll slam parents who put misbehaving kids in time. I'm
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  Speaker 1: out for creating separation anxiety. Parenting begins with holding on
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  Speaker 1: and it ends in letting go. Some parents never learn
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  Speaker 1: the first, others never learn the second. But it's a
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  Speaker 1: process of control and release. You exercised total control over
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  Speaker 1: a baby because well, a baby can't control anything, but
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  Speaker 1: by the time that baby is a young adult, will
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  Speaker 1: mum and dad have gone from controllers to advisors. Tracking
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  Speaker 1: a six year old is very different to tracking a
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  Speaker 1: twenty one year old. Every parent knows this, Beneker. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's only the experts who seem to be confused.
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  Speaker 3: No, I disagree. I do not support the idea of
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  Speaker 3: tracking your child. Whatever happened to trust? What would you
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  Speaker 3: track your two sons?
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  Speaker 1: Well, my two so have it?
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  Speaker 4: Do you have an app? No?
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  Speaker 1: My sons are twenty one years old, so I don't
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  Speaker 1: track them. But I would certainly be thrilled if when
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  Speaker 1: I had kids who were four and five and six
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  Speaker 1: years old and going for a ride on their bike
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  Speaker 1: and I could know their exact whereabouts at any moment, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I would do.
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  Speaker 4: That in a heart before a five year old.
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  Speaker 3: Kids are not riding their bikes solo, are they? Are
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  Speaker 3: they not there with mum and dad with parental.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, when my kids were five and six with their mates,
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  Speaker 1: they'd ride around the street on their bikes because it
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  Speaker 1: was a quiet area, right and so, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the island, right.
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  Speaker 3: I would Okay, Well, I'm not disagreeing with that, but
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  Speaker 3: I would.
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  Speaker 1: I won the argument quick tonight. It's a record time
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  Speaker 1: on the late DIVI.
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  Speaker 3: I would assume that most parents would be supervising their
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  Speaker 3: children at four and five if they're going off on
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  Speaker 3: a bike.
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  Speaker 1: When my kids were in grade one, grade two, and
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  Speaker 1: grade three, the school was only like a short We
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  Speaker 1: could actually see the school from our front doorstep right,
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  Speaker 1: But again, if I could have known exactly where they
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  Speaker 1: were just to be sure.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, fine from a young age, but I think that
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  Speaker 3: gets to a certain age where you've got to stop
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  Speaker 3: tracking your kids and ensuring trust because otherwise I do
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  Speaker 3: not think that it allows for open lines of communication.
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  Speaker 3: And to be honest, I think it's an invasion of
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  Speaker 3: privacy as well, especially around those teenage years already confused.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much going on in your life. To have
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  Speaker 3: mum and dad then track you, I think that causes
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  Speaker 3: more problems than good. I think the best way is
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  Speaker 3: to open lines of communications communication, be upfront, be that
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  Speaker 3: parent who understands and wants to talk to their children,
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  Speaker 3: especially when that kid says, Mum, I'm going to the
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  Speaker 3: movies with this friend. This is where I'll be that
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  Speaker 3: you trust that that's where your child is at all times.
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  Speaker 3: I don't agree with this culture of it's almost like
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  Speaker 3: a big brother culture. And I actually, if you actually
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  Speaker 3: read this article, there's a psychologist that's quoted in it,
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  Speaker 3: and she says that there is no evidence that this
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  Speaker 3: device makes kids safer, and often they actually increase parental anxiety.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's easy for a psychologist to say that, but
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  Speaker 1: even if they don't make kids safer, they do advise
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  Speaker 1: parents where your child is. And I defy any parent,
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  Speaker 1: especially of anyone up to the age of thirteen or fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: who would be disinterested in knowing where their child and
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  Speaker 1: in terms of trust and now we've got to bring
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  Speaker 1: you in a second.
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  Speaker 2: Kala, but I was just sit here, you go.
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  Speaker 1: Trust is earned as well. So one parent might very
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  Speaker 1: well say I would never track my thirteen year old
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  Speaker 1: and that would be fine, and another parent might say,
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  Speaker 1: because I love my thirteen year old so much, I
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  Speaker 1: am absolutely tracking them. Because it's a balance of parental
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  Speaker 1: release of kids but also kids earning trust to be released.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty common sense.
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  Speaker 2: Frankly, I think it's weird, and I think it robs
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to develop that independence and lack of reliance
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  Speaker 2: on a parent that I think is really important to
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  Speaker 2: work out in teenagers when we already have kids staying
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  Speaker 2: at home much longer than they ever used to. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like children grow up a lot slower now than
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  Speaker 2: they used to, and part of that is the way
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  Speaker 2: that we've set up the education system and encouraging kids
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  Speaker 2: that they must go off to university and they stay
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  Speaker 2: at home with their parents for longer, and so their
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  Speaker 2: childhood is essentially being extended. And this feels to me
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  Speaker 2: like something that very much says you are under the thumb.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how did we survive to this point without
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  Speaker 2: children being tracked? Twenty four to seven. Back in the
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  Speaker 2: day when you were a child, it would have still
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  Speaker 2: been very common, James, and not all that long ago,
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  Speaker 2: to be fair, that in the school holidays, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be out on your bike in the morning with
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  Speaker 2: your mates and Mum said be home for tea. That
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  Speaker 2: was it. You know, you were out all day and
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  Speaker 2: were you being tracked? Of course you weren't being tracked.
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  Speaker 1: Freaking Daniel Morkham's parents wish they had a tracker on Daniel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think that. I don't think that is
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  Speaker 2: a fair point too, So you're telling me that you
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  Speaker 2: are telling me says no evidence it helps kids safety. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: that might have helped. So what you were suggesting is
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  Speaker 2: that if it saves one life potential, it probably doesn't
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  Speaker 2: save a life, to be honest. It might lead you
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  Speaker 2: to where a body has been taken, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily going to save any kid's life. That that then
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  Speaker 2: justifies mass surveillance of children.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's ridiculous. I'm not saying that at all. But
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  Speaker 1: would you say that if you had a primary school
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  Speaker 1: kid who is catching the bus home from school, as
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  Speaker 1: many primary school kids do, as a parent, it would
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  Speaker 1: be wrong for you to have a tracker on your
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  Speaker 1: child or an app on your phone so that you
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  Speaker 1: could just monitor it when you're at work to just
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  Speaker 1: make sure they got home safely. You think that's coercive,
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  Speaker 1: You think that's controlling. That's a loving parent who's trying
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  Speaker 1: to be responsible for my child and just ensure their welfare.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you could maybe make an argument up at the
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  Speaker 2: age of ten. After that, I think it's rubbish. I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand as a teenager having the ability to go
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  Speaker 2: out into the world and your parents giving that to
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  Speaker 2: you and saying yes, you can go with your mates,
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  Speaker 2: and you can go to the shops on your own.
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  Speaker 2: All these sorts of things are formative experiences in life,
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  Speaker 2: and they set you up for the rest of your
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  Speaker 2: life and how you interact with the world. And I
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  Speaker 2: think if you've always he's got this sort of you know,
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  Speaker 2: big brother breathing down your neck, trying to see where
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  Speaker 2: you are at every moment. It doesn't do much to
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  Speaker 2: create trust. I mean, I I a mobile phone. Mom
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  Speaker 2: could text me, call me whatever she wanted. I'll answer.
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  Speaker 1: And back on your characterization of loving parents as big
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  Speaker 1: brother breathing down your neck.
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  Speaker 4: Is what it is, James.
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  Speaker 1: That's an abusive parent. That's very difficult to a parent
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  Speaker 1: who's simply exercised.
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  Speaker 3: But there would be parents who would take it to
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  Speaker 3: the extreme and they would look at that.
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  Speaker 4: Hang on a second. You said that you were going
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  Speaker 4: down to the shops, and you are.
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  Speaker 3: You are one k away? Where are you my mom
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  Speaker 3: and dad? I'm just down the road. There's you know,
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  Speaker 3: I went for a walk. I went for a walk
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  Speaker 3: down the road.
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  Speaker 4: Mum and dad. It's really not that big. Yeah, But
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  Speaker 4: and then and then suddenly you're in.
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  Speaker 3: An argument over absolutely nothing when again you've closed off
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  Speaker 3: the lines of communication because you don't trust your own child.
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  Speaker 4: And then in turn, as a child, mom, Mum's.
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  Speaker 3: Bagging me out again, Mum, and it just creates more
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  Speaker 3: problems than good.
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  Speaker 1: The problem I have with that is you are basing
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  Speaker 1: your argument. The problem with your scenario is a dysfunctional parent,
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  Speaker 1: not the tracker.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I think it leads to it.
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  Speaker 2: James, how to parently work up until this point and
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  Speaker 2: the other we survive is.
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  Speaker 3: Surely you've got to allow your child to have a
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  Speaker 3: level of independence, especially around It's.
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  Speaker 1: My entire argument that as your child grows. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when they're a baby, you exercise total control, right you
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  Speaker 1: have to. Then as a toddler, you let them make
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  Speaker 1: certain choices within pretty strict parameters. Then as a child
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  Speaker 1: you you allow them to learn responsibility by giving them
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  Speaker 1: tasks and trusting them. And then as a teenager you
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  Speaker 1: let them make mistakes within a context of those mistakes
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  Speaker 1: are not going to be catastrophic for their lives. And
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  Speaker 1: then as young adults you now you don't exercise any control.
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  Speaker 1: You're just there to you're.
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  Speaker 4: Thinking worst case scenario.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm thinking this is this is the process of parenting,
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  Speaker 1: and every child is different because some kids are naturally
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  Speaker 1: rebellious and if you love them, gee, I've got to
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  Speaker 1: keep a hand on this kid before he destroys his life.
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  Speaker 1: Other kids at a very early age are just inherently responsible,
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  Speaker 1: and you can you can take your hands off earlier.
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  Speaker 1: And I think parents know that. Experts who issue point
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  Speaker 1: blank edicts and say no parents should ever do this,
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  Speaker 1: I think are talking outside their own lane.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that I can understand your argument for
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  Speaker 3: when they're younger, when they're under a certain age, but
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  Speaker 3: I think there comes a time when they reach their
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  Speaker 3: teenage years where you've just got to let them make
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  Speaker 3: their own mistakes and learn from them without Mum and
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  Speaker 3: dad breathing down your neck and monitoring your every move.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just the hold the tracking thing. I just
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  Speaker 2: find it really odd. I wouldn't even do it for
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  Speaker 2: a partner. I wouldn't want to be tracked, and I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't expect to have their location at any given moment
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  Speaker 2: of the day. If I want to know where it is,
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  Speaker 2: I'll send you a text. You know, Oh where are you?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Down the shops? Whatever, I just do something really uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: just me.
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  Speaker 1: He used a whole tracking a partner and tracking you
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  Speaker 1: no, no primary school child, two completely different discussion.
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  Speaker 2: It's sure, sure primary school charges are a different thing.
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  Speaker 2: But I just there's something really odd about because it's
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  Speaker 2: people are doing this with teenagers, James.
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  Speaker 1: Some teenagers probably need to be tracked.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if they need to be tracked, you shouldn't let
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  Speaker 2: them at the house in the first place. Like, come on,
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  Speaker 2: if it's that much of a problem where they're going.
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  Speaker 2: If you know that they're leaving the house to go
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  Speaker 2: places they shouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: A certain lock them in. There are certain parts of
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  Speaker 1: this country where if parents paid more attention to where
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  Speaker 1: their kids were, the crime rate would be lower. It's
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  Speaker 1: a parental issue, number one. We say that all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and now we're saying parents shouldn't exercise any control.
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  Speaker 2: I think we'll stop all the youth crime with the trackers.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that is the case. So now, obviously
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  Speaker 2: you've probably seen today in Victoria that One Nation and
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  Speaker 2: paul In Hanson, its national leader, have announced their slate
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  Speaker 2: or some of their candidates that will be running in
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  Speaker 2: the state election in novemb You've seen many of them
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  Speaker 2: throughout the evening talking to other hosts here on News
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. But of course, one of the most interesting
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  Speaker 2: aspects of this press conference was that a number of
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  Speaker 2: media outlets were banned from entering. The Guardian, the ABC
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  Speaker 2: in the Age were all told that they couldn't come
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  Speaker 2: in for the announcement. Therefore they wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 2: ask questions of Pauline Hanson or any of the candidates,
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  Speaker 2: or the man who was announced as the new leader
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  Speaker 2: of One Nation in Victoria, Warren Pickering. Here is Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hanson addressing this.
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  Speaker 5: They were denied Andrey enter here and The Guardian.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not putting up with their rubbish.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not putting up for their spin, their lives whatsoever.
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  Speaker 6: Elaborate on that just a little bit. We expect to
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  Speaker 6: invite a healthy amount of scrutiny of our candidates and
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  Speaker 6: our policy positions. However, any blatant character assassination attempts based
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  Speaker 6: on fabrications of our candidates we met with swift legal action.
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  Speaker 2: Now, look, I understand being upset with outlets that continually
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  Speaker 2: misquote you or try to cause trouble. This has been
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  Speaker 2: a common thing in politics for a very long time now.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, of course, we knows, likes to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the fake news. But Donald Trump, to my knowledge, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: exclude people as a rule. He just tells them to
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  Speaker 2: their faces that he doesn't like them, including this example
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  Speaker 2: from Overnight.
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  Speaker 1: That's worse.
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  Speaker 2: I like BBC better than NBC accent. His comic timing
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  Speaker 2: is just so good, isn't it. I'm not sure that
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  Speaker 2: this actually does anything to help one nation specifically. I
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  Speaker 2: would have thought just you know, let you know that
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  Speaker 2: they're going to rubbish you anyway, whether or not they're
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  Speaker 2: in the room or outside of the room, so you
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  Speaker 2: may as well let them in so you can have
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a barney with them. I would have
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  Speaker 2: thought it'd create good content for social media and whatever,
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  Speaker 2: having an argument with a reporter. I'm not sure it
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  Speaker 2: actually achieves anything by banning people from certain outlets.
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  Speaker 4: No, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I actually think it makes you more open to criticism
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  Speaker 3: if anything, if you do ban media outlets, and it
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  Speaker 3: also takes the focus off the party because then these
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  Speaker 3: media outlets are just going to start writing up a
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  Speaker 3: lot of articles saying we were banned. The report of
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  Speaker 3: my experience being banned from the One Nation press conference,
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  Speaker 3: and suddenly it becomes this giant media circus. The focus
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  Speaker 3: gets taken off the actual messages that were meant to
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  Speaker 3: be portrayed in this one nation press conference. But I
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  Speaker 3: think that if you allow media in, even if you
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  Speaker 3: don't agree with.
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  Speaker 4: Them, it allows you then to.
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  Speaker 3: Argue your point, Like had there been a guardian or
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  Speaker 3: an ABC journalist in there who would ask a ridiculous question,
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  Speaker 3: or Pauline Hanson could have then pushed back and they
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  Speaker 3: could have gone back and forth. And then if the
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  Speaker 3: ABC mistook anything wrote an article about it, Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 3: could have said, well, hang on.
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  Speaker 4: A second, I've got the transcript of the interview.
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  Speaker 3: They've completely misrepresented my words and what I have said.
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  Speaker 3: I do think it goes down a very very dangerous
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  Speaker 3: pathway when you do start blocking media. I understand the
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  Speaker 3: liberal media their bias. I understand that there is an
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  Speaker 3: agenda against right wing parties like One Nation. I totally
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  Speaker 3: understand that, but have the transparency and be open to
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  Speaker 3: saying no, come in, but we're going to have a
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  Speaker 3: debate with you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I disagree with both of you. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is a good move from one nation and from Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't agree that banning the ABC is a
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  Speaker 1: lack of transparency. It's drawing a line. For years, the
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  Speaker 1: media have demanded that politicians should be accountable. Well, now
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  Speaker 1: a politician, Pauline Hanson is saying, well, it works both ways, guys.
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  Speaker 1: You media need to be accountable. And when you get
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  Speaker 1: the ABC, the Guardian and the Age repeatedly going against
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  Speaker 1: one nation, Pauline Hanson in a way that is not
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  Speaker 1: reporting the news, it's attacking one nation because of an
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  Speaker 1: ideological bias. Then I think Pauline Hanson is well within
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  Speaker 1: her rights to say, you know what, you don't get
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  Speaker 1: to be in the press conference. And here's why she's smart.
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  Speaker 1: She's recognizing that this is not about democracy, this is
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  Speaker 1: about business. And CNN learned this the hard way with Trump.
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  Speaker 1: That they hated Trump, but they came to realize they
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  Speaker 1: relied upon Donald Trump right for their business. It drove
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  Speaker 1: their business. Well, Pauline Hanson recognizes the ABC, the guard
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  Speaker 1: in the Age they need to be in these press conferences.
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  Speaker 1: It hurts them to not be. And so she's decided,
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  Speaker 1: you keep hurting us, will hurt you right back. It's
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: a transaction. We'll just stop trading with you. I think
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: it's a good move.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: But look what Donald Trump does over in the US.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: When you've got people like you know, Caitlin Collins from
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: CNN sitting in the White House Press briefing room, he
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: will argue with her, and I think and it makes
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: for good theater because he pushes back at her assertions
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: and back at her stupid.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think Pauline Hansen is wise not to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: engage in that because I think Pauline Hanson needs to,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: if anything, just soften her image with the Australian public.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: And I think Pauline Hanson doing a Donald Trump with
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: the media, there's a better way to handle the meeting.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Why should she soften her public image. It's working for
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: her as it is at the moment.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: It's working for her with thirty percent of the population.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: But to become the Prime minister, she's got to win
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: people that are on the fence or a little bit
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: iffy with her. And so I don't think engaging in
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: stand up fights with the media is the best thing.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I think better have them outside the room. It is.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Actually I'm not sure that that even really helps in
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: that endeavor either because it potentially shrinks the audience that
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: might then be exposed to her content. And the other
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: thing I would say as well is that I don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: think it actually particularly hurts an ABC or the Age
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: or the Guardian by not being in the room, because
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: a press conference is basically ubiquitous content. There'll be an
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: AAP or a wire service in there. You just rip
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: their copy right, So it's not like you can't report
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: on the thing. It's just that you couldn't have your
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: reporter in the room to ask the question or a
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: question that they might have wanted to answer. So I'm
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: not sure it does hurt the outlets, to be perfectly honest,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I think it just well, then it comes across as
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit petty.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, But if it doesn't hurt the outlets, then they
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be making this. Oh it's a threat to democracy
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and this is a lack of transparency. If it's true
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, it doesn't hurt them, then it doesn't
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: hurt them to be outside the room, so they can
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: stay outside the room. And in terms of Pauline Hanson
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: getting her message out, I think one nation have proved,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: as have those in the UK and those on the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: right in the United States, that you can bypass the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: main stream.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, what happens if the Greens were holding a press
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: conference and they said, we don't want anyone from US
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: twenty four on coming to this press conference because we
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: don't agree with their views, we would have an absolute
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: field day on this channel.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Where that it would be the greatest fodder we've ever had.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's exactly the same for The Guardian, the Age,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: and you.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Think at the I think it would change a vote
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: for the Greens, though I don't.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Necessarily think it would necessarily change a vote for the Greens.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: But the point is the focus is off the message
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: of the Greens or whatever the party is trying to sell,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: and suddenly it becomes a circus on the other side,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: is what I'm trying to say.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I reckon Paul and Hanson would rather have the media
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: making issue of the fact they're not allowed in the room,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: which begs a question, why not than be in the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: room and making mischief with all sorts of ridiculous questions.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I don't know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I do worry about going down that line as a
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: form of reporter, myself being the thought of being blocked
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: from a room.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I don't like that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Were lovely, everyone would want you in the.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Thanks James, jez isn't she?
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Do you think he was winding me up?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It's a little scratch scratch behind the years, James.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I'm actually nice. I like my fellow co panelists here.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I'm actually compliment And then now I wasn't sure if
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: you're being facetious based on commentary there.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's move on.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: We always hear about always was, always will be Aboriginal Land.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: But have you ever heard of always was, always will
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: be the Moon? No, neither have I actually up until
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: a couple of days ago on the ABC, Rebecca Allen
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: is an astronomer. She is the co director of the
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Space Technology and Industry Institute at Swinburne University of Technology. Now,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: she was brought onto the ABC to talk about a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: space rocket, a SpaceX rocket, which is set to slam
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: in the Moon on Wednesday after about a year in orbit.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Now, the conversation was going really well.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: The interview was great at a point when she was
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: asked about the impact of growing problem of space junk,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to which you would think Okay, great, a very basic
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: answer of space junk.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Instead, Well, she's live in a bit of a tirade.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: The moon is something that's fascinated us, you know, it's
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: deeply rooted to Indigenous sky country and storytelling, and so
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: we want to respect the fact that this is not
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: just something for us to go and explore, as amazing
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: as that is, and so I think it's actually a
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: big focus for global space regulation as well as understanding
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Australia's growing role in space exploration.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Sorry, let me just get this right. The moon is
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: indigenous sky country. The moon is now subject to what
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: an Aboriginal land claim is part of Aboriginal land. I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: not sure where she was going. I actually watched that
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: last little bit of that clip to make sure that
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the ABC presenter at the time didn't push back or
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: ask more questions. No, they wrapped up the interview immediately
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: after that so that there was no pushback. International law
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: says that the moon belongs to nobody, that the moon
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: is no one's and these are sorts of universities that
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: are teaching our next generation this sort of absolute nonsense.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I don't even have an explanation for it, to be
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: quite honest, maybe perhaps one of you.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Do you well, well, I just you know, it's a
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: shame that Old Blue Eyes and Tony Bennett aren't still
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: alive because you know, they have to re record fly
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Me to the Indigenous sky Country. Let me play among
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the Indigenous sky Country Stars.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: It's beautiful.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: You know, what a shame that we didn't get to
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: hear those renditions. I mean, this is just it's woo
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: woo spiritual stuff. Right, You've hit the nail on the head,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and in any other circumstance it would be laughed out
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: of the room. But for some reason, when we go
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: because this is an indigenous version of Woo woo spiritualism,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: it's fantastic. And I always thought this at school, because
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you know, we were taught about the dream time and all
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: this stuff. I'm going, what the hell are they talking about?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Like this is obviously garbage, But because it is an
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: indigenous thing, we go, okay, well, that's that's fine. We'll
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: treat it as though it were real. It's no more
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: legit than any other version of Woo woo spiritualism. But
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: because it's attached to some indigenous culture, we go, well,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: you know, it's special. I hate to break it to you.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's not and it deserves no more regard than a woman.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And i'd say, woman, I'm sorry, because generally it does
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: seem to be women who put their crystals out to
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: recharge in the sun, and that, well, it's just crapy.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you don't do that, do you?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Deneak it?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I have my beliefs about it.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Well, look, you know, it's just rubbish. And you'd quite
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: happily go, oh, well, you know, a woman recharging your
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: crystals in the sun, what sort of what drags did
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you take?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Do you remember? Do you remember Peter Brock had crystals
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: in HISZ five holden at Bathist.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went real woo woo towards the end of this, you.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Know, whatever flows bhoto, I suppose. But we're not making
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: decisions about what we do in space because Peter Brock
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: had crystals in his car?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Are we this? This is funny and ridiculous, And you're right,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: it's sky country means this is a spiritual discussion, right,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: but it actually does have consequences for everybody, whether you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: believe in spirituality or whatever. Because the Christian West became great,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and we became prosperous because we believe the moon is
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a thing, and it's a thing because God made it,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: as opposed to indigenous spirituality, which doesn't say the moon
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: is just an object, that says it's a spiritual entity.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Now that has consequences. If the moon is created by God,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: then it's for us. It points to God. So the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: more we explore the moon, the more we find out
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: about God. That's what prompted the West's scientific endeavors if
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you go right back to the beginning of modern science.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But if you take the indigenous route, the moon is
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: a spiritual entity. It contains God, it's sacred. Therefore we
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: have to be very careful in what we do with it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: And so now you're asking for permission to explore the moon.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: How far can we explore it because you know, we
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: don't want to, And so that's a dead end in
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: terms of prosperity, expansion of knowledge, scientific endeavor. If you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: go down the spiritual route of and it's not just
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: indigenous spirituality, but all those old pagan religions end up
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: at a dead end in terms of scientific knowledge. It's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: only the Christian faith that prompted science if everything is
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: made by God, then it must be able to be understood.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Therefore we should investigate it. And investigating creation helps us
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: understand the world, God, and ourselves. That's what prompted modern science.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: The idea that the moon is part of Sky country
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and it's spiritual. Actually, then mean, so what do you do?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: You Either you either give it symbolic spirituality where you say,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you know, before we travel to the moon, we acknowledge,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you know, this is indigenous lunar territory, or you give
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it ethical significance where you say, well, we're going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: go to the moon, but first we'll consult some indigenous
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: lunar groups who can advise us. Or you go full
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: hog and you say, you know what, before we do
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: anything on the moon, we've got to get indigenous approval.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And that's where the West is going. And you cannot
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: tell me that that's going to result in an expansion
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of scientific knowledge like we've so look when the West
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: was based on.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I don't have an issue with necessarily the spirituality side
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: of things, but I do have an issue with now
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: being claimed by groups.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: That's the problem for me.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'd go with the option of the moon is a
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: great big rock in the sky.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And we'll leave it at that, shall we exactly all right?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Speaking of indigenous issues, there's a big argument in the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: New Zealand Parliament at the moment about the English language.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Now the official languages of New Zealand Maori and New
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Zealand Sign Language. English has never been an official language,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: even though it's spoken by ninety five percent of the population.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: But the Conservative government and the Labor opposition want to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: make English the third official language. The Greens oppose it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And here's Green MP Tamantha Paul speaking against the bill
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: to make English an official language of New Zealand.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: English is a bastard language.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: This is what you're fighting to protect.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: There's a language that's not even its own.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: It's a bastardization of Greek, Old Norse, Latin.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: That's a complete bastardization.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And this is what we're wasting the House's time fighting for.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I've got to say, for a complete bastardization of language.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: It served her pretty well. I didn't agree with her point,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: but I understood it. And guess what, everyone in New
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Zealand understood exactly what she was saying. Thank God for English.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: That helped her make her point.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And is a language on Earth that has not taken
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: words or elements of its language from another language. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: maybe some really old indigenous languages didn't, But then presumably
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: if you have different tribes of indigenous groups, they then
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: end up sharing words and they end up in other languages.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Like language isn't always has been a fluid thing and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: has always been influenced by outside sources. So I don't
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: know that there would be a single language on Earth
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that wasn't, in her terms, a bastard language, because we've
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: all borrowed words from each other for time immemorial. That
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: all this means basically is that it has the same
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: legal standing English as sign language and Mari, which means
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: it has to be on road signs and things like that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with that?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Well, she was actually mocking English speaking people, and let's
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: be honest, she was probably elected by a majority English
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: people over in New Zealand. It just makes me wonder
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: what is it with the left that they just hate anything.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: To do with Western history, Western culture.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: And this is why culture wars actually matter, because you've
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: got people like this trying to tear down the history
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: and the cultures that make a country so wonderful and
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: so great. English is a global language. English is used
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: in business, in finance, in books, in movies. I mean
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: it is the function of modern society is built around
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the English language.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: I'm just not sure where these people come from. Really,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: well exactly.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not to see English language. She hates, to
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: be fair, We've got to give it her due. She
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: hates the police as well.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: If I was a evident mens like butting some diggle
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: tonomal police officers everywhere it makes them feel missafe. Oh
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: my goodness. So she's a socialist as well.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: We were seeing the socialist revolutions suddenly taking over the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: whole world. So you've got this woman in New Zealand,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: you've got ma'm Danni over in New York, Pedro Sanchez
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: in Spain, and look what happens happened to his country
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I think she's just a fan of the word bastard
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: because because you know, these anti cop people will say
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a cab, which stands for all cops are bastards. Right,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you'll see you'll often see it scrawled as
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: graffiti on you know.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Walls and stuff around.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Didn't want an uber, I want a cab. Very good James. Anyway, Yes,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: what a strange individual. Over to the UK now we're
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: speaking of strange apparently people in the police, and this
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: is now expanding out to other places like councils and stuff.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Non Muslims are being encouraged to participate in Ramadan. They've
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: been encouraged too fast at Ramadan like their Muslim colleagues are.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Look, if you told me to go and fast, I'd
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: probably tell you to stick it up your Jackxy. It's
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: up to you. If that's your religion, you can do
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: whatever you want. And of course, in a country like
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the UK or Australia or other western nations where you
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: have the freedom to practice your religion, if you want
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a fast from dawn till dusk, that's fine, go ahead.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: But why would you then expect that other people would
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: come along and do it with you? Now, of course
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: this is all done in the name of diversity. One
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: of the mobs that has been doing it in England
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: is the West Midlands Police and a local council, The
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: New Forest Council has picked up on this and pointed
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: out this little tract of information in its most recent
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: diversity training. They say during the month of Ramadan. The
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Midlands Police supports its fasting colleagues through the use of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: flexi working arrangements to ensure that they have time with
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: their families. So now you're introducing extra privileges for people
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: in the workplace because of their religion. What's more, increasing
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: numbers of non Muslim staff have taken up fasting each
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: year as an act of solidarity with their Muslim colleagues,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: adding to the family feel of the West Muslans Police culture.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: What I don't understand if you're not Muslim, why would
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you then subject yourself to the religious workings of someone
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I really don't get it, the West Midlands Police say.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: West Midlands Police said the practice helped officers understand the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: significance of Ramadan for Muslim residents. Where does this end?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Do I now have to start going to the mosque
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and praying five times a day because it will help
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: me better understand Muslim people in the world. It's not
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: my religion. Why would I do it?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I mean a Muslim staff going to be invited into
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: churches to pray with a Bible in their hand as
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: part of an act of solidarity. Is is it going
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: to work? Is a shoe going to be put on
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: the other foot.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: What a disaster they do?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: They need to do it a pork sausage to say
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that they understand other people in England.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Funny they need to erect a Christmas tree.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: On the pork sausages. I'm not being disrespectful, but when
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I was reading the article in the was it the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: UK Telegraph? And you look at the comments and this
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: article attracted a lot of comments and I probably spent
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: two minutes just reading comments, and a lot of them
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: were to that point that well, if you want to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: ask us to adopt your practices, then come on adopt ours.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And the hypocrisy therese. And the other thing is they're
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: inviting police to show their solidarity. So how can you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: say no and not be afraid that someone somewhere will
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: be making a black mark against you.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to show solid He's a team.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: That's Britain is a Christian country and unfortunately the Christianity
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: element has just.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Been whittled, absolutely whittled away.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I think this is disastrous at a time when police
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: are over in the UK are under so much scrutiny
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: for their two tier policing in the wake, of course,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: of the Henry Novak incident. Right now, I think that
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: police should be folks on police seeing, arresting people, charging people,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: doing their jobs and not pandering to the diversity inclusion nonsense.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: The other thing is that police are there to.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Serve people equally right, They're not there to observe faith.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: That is not their job. That's not the role of
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: a police officer. And no religion should be getting special
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: treatment over any other.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And to show solidarity doesn't mean you have to participate.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: It simply means, you know what, we're different religions. I
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: disagree fundamentally with you and your religion, but I'm your friend.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I watch out for you, I look after you, I
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: take care of you. Solidarity is that it's not participating
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: in ceremonies that have no relevance.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: It's respect respect.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Where does it end? I mean you know, so you
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: do you fasting to sympathize with your Muslim colleagues, then
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: you'll have to give up eating beef because the Hindus,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: of course believe that the cows are sacred, and you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: you'll have to go along with the Seventh day Adventists
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and to stop celebrating Christmas for a year, because you
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: know you've got to mauck in with the wrist.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: That next minute we're baptizing everybody.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I know, if you follow this logically, you'd be doing
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: it for every religion right and it would just become
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: absolutely unworkable.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I just don't think what he is the king is
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: he's changed his official title to multi So don't forget King.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Charles can do it. Anyone can certainly do it. Let's
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: just go to Victoria very quickly. They're the crime capital
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: of Australia and it just gets absolutely worse.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Police there are being forced off the beat.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Why because of a catastrophic error in a new IT
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: system in the court. The Herald Sun has revealed that
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: this IT system, responsible for managing more than seven hundred
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: thousand court listings every year, had plunged courts into chaos,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: forcing magistrates to resort to using pen and paper and
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: grinding cases to a halt. And now officers say that
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: they are buried in hours of extra administration, undermining efforts
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: by the government and the Chief Can to make Victorians safe.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: It's prompted the Police Association to initiate crisis talks with
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: the force. Police sources said the system, which was only
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: launched in June, was forcing major hold ups in investigating crimes.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Cops are having to plug into data entry clerks and
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: it is just wasting their time and taking them off
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: the beat another day. In Victoria, no wonder that state
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: cannot get anything right pen and paper at the court system,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: and now the IT system is taking officers off the beat,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: not able to deal with youth crime, not able to
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: deal with the issues going on across that state because
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: of an IT system.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: You'd think when you pointed up one hundred and sixty million,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and this, by the way, was meant to cost ninety
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: million dollars this system, so they paid an extra seventy
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: million dollars for a system that doesn't work. Now you've
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: got magistrates skipping lunch so they can go and put
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: in stuff by pen and paper. They've got a backlog
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: as big as it is, and they got the coppers
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: have to go through all of this. This is just
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: basic stuff.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: We should not be surprised. This is a government that
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: spent a billion dollars on their my key system of
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a transport and it's almost completely redundant. We're going to
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: go to a break when we come back to look
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: at what's making headlines tomorrow. Remember how the government said,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: now we're going to help new home buyers. Well, it
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: seems like they've made new home buyers lives a lot worse.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: That's coming up next. Welcome back to the program. Let's
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow, and we'll
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: start with the Daily Telegraph, which has as its main
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: story a story carried by most of tomorrow's papers that,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of course, is the start of Ellen jones criminal trial.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Jock Shock reads the headline. Radio King's accuser Jones groped me,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: kissed me and told me he loved me, The story reads.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: At a former promising athlete has told a court Ellen
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Jones kissed him on the mouth in a chomping action
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that covered his face from his nose to his chin,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and on another occasion, grabbed him on the penis he
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: was driving the Radio King to his Southern Highlands farm.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Complainant Jay was the first to be called in Jones'
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: high stakes trial, in which he has pleaded not guilty
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to twenty counts of indecent assault and two of sexual touching.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I suggest that news story will carry on for the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: rest of the week and probably be on the front
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: pages pretty much every day. The other interesting story on
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the front page of Tomorrow's Telegraph Labour sets off negative
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: equity bomb. More than thirty four thousand first home buyers
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: are at risk of a two point two billion dollar
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: wipeout amid a cooling housing market. Coalition analysts estimate tens
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of thousands of Australians who bought with Labour's five percent
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: deposit scheme are at risk of falling into negative equity.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: According to ABS data, about sixty one thousand first home
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: buyers got a home loan between October twenty five and
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: March this year. In the first three months of twenty
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: twenty six, the average loan was six hundred and fourteen
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. While Labour was planning to introduce new housing
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: taxes in January twenty twenty six, they were also willing
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: younger people into bigger and bigger mortgages. That's a line
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: from Angus Taylor, and it's a pretty devastating line.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you've just purchased a property in the
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: last couple of months you're now in negative equity, you'd
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: be absolutely kicking yourself because you have lost out on
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: potentially you know, tens of thousands of dollars and it's
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: all thanks to Labour's broken promises, and it's just getting worse.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: People say, oh, yeah, but this is a time to
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: enter the market. You know how prouse prices are lot.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: People don't have the money. People still don't have the
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: money in this cost of living crisis to gone purchase
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: a home.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: It's great for the first time, bar clearly, isn't it.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And people are afraid to into the market at the
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: moment because no one wants to be the person who
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: buys at the top and then obviously watches their their
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: asset dwindle. But it's a game of sort of cat
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and mouse now about well how far can this go?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: So why would I into now if it's just going
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to keep going because I want to buy at the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: bottom of the market. But how will we really know
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: where the bottom of the market is if no one
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: is keen to get into it. It's a much larger
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: mess than I think they predicted. It would work clearly
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: more than they predicted, But the fact that they didn't
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: kind of see some of this coming in the first place.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Is the real issue.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it's all about their own coffers, isn't it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at The Herald's son Showbiz to
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: sell hell is the headline. Ralph Carr once rubbed shoulders
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: with some of the biggest names in ossie, sport and showbiz,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: but now the manager to the stars is rubbing shoulders
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: with criminals as it sits in jail awaiting sentence for
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: raping a young woman at his multi million dollar home.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Of course, he was once married to Tina Arena and
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: his clients included Dustin Martin there so that's been a huge,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: huge story today, but also down the bottom. Ben bounce
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: but Poles still dire. Labor remains on track to lose
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: November state election, despite a change of leader and new
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: polling showing its first political bounce in months. The exclusive
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Freshwater Strategy poll taken in the days immediately after last
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: week's coup that saw Ben Carrell replaced just into Alan's
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: premier shows the change has arrested Labour's slide, but tips
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: the coalition to win government for the first time since
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: two thousand and ten, and that state is in dire
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: need of some change. But I think that the Liberal
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Party should be quite buoyed by this, that they are
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: that their messaging is actually getting through. And I think
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: that Jess Wilson has had a wonderful week really pushing
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: that messaging through same labor, different leader, and I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: it's clearly having an impact.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I think though, if you were laborer, if you have
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: been Carolyn and the right, you'd be saying that's an
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: indication that they've got their job done as well, because
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: if it saves some of the furniture on the way out,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I think they would be pleased with that result compared
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: to what it otherwise could have been.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So you would expect them to get a bit of
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a bounce, right because Daniel Andrews just sent to Ellen
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: were hated that the next poll will be the one
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: that really will show how this is going to play out.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Indeed, on the front of the Australians own interesting little
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: story here. Workplace diversity at one hundred and ninety five
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars a job, I'll take one of those things
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: at three sorry, at thirty two point one million dollars.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: A federal program to help the long term unemployed get
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: into work under the banner of workplace Diversity has placed
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: fifty five people in almost two years, at a cost
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: of nearly one hundred and ninety five thousand dollars per job.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: The Real Job's Real Wages Scheme, announced in May twenty
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: twenty four, gives money to employers to hire people quote
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: at risk of long term unemployment and promises employers a
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: more diverse and inclusive workplace. The pilot scheme offered employers
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: up to fifteen grand to hire eligible employees. The Department
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of Employee Employment and Workplace Relations advertise this as a
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: way to support inclusive recruitment and boost community connections and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: a more diverse and inclusive workplace. But given its fifty
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: five jobs, over three thirty two point one million dollars
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five grand a job has been
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: spent on this scheme. Wow, it must be must be
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: hard work getting that done.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Not a bad day out, had it for some? But
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know caliber you're diverse enough for such a role.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I incredibly diverse. What are you talking about? Very
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: very I am the most diverse person possibly available for
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the job.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Funy know. People criticized paul In Hanson and said, well,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: how are you going to fund all of the things
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you're proposing. Well, I reckon one nation could close their eyes,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: spin around a thousand times, throw a rock and wherever
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it lands, whatever government policy, just cut that. The country
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: would miss nothing and we'd save a whole lot of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: money to there's a lot being wasted.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I am, by the way, I am a persecuted minority.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I just want you to know how so well, I'm
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a right winger who lives in the inner West of Sydney.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: So one of only you know, James Morrow and me.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I think we qualify under the diversity cause you are
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: DEI yeah, correct, yep.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I love it. You feel persecuted.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It's rible, terrible, terrible. Now, I do enjoy living in
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: mar little slice of the world, but you know, you
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: just be wary of the neighbors sometimes, all right.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: The front page of Tomorrow's Advertiser celebs get sunburn. Sports
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: stars Kyle Chambers, Michael Clark and Brendan Favola are among
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: celebrities unwittingly drafted to Spruk solar products that have been
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the subject of an unprecedented rise in complaints. Now, Caleb,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you're the newspaper man among us, having been a chief
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: of staff. I think that's I mean, I get sunburn
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and sunscreen. Isn't that sexy? Right? So you've got to
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: find some celebs to make the story bounce a little bit.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: That's pretty unfair to these guys making them the story.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: No, I don't know.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: If you're spooking a product and that product is in
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: a bit of trouble, of course it reflects on you.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I mean the reason that a company pays someone to
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: endorse their product is because they want the reputation of
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: that celebrity. So it does then kind of weigh on
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: the reputation of the celebrity who's endorsed the product. Does
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: it not always be sold?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Would reflect on you.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: The problem was it wasn't very very good job.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I thought that headline said Caleb's get sunburned.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Well, they do get sunburning experience very quickly and very easily.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Is that because you're a DEI.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Well maybe yes, that because I'm so white. You know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: it's just one of my disabilities because I'm white, that
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I burn so easily. If I don't put the sunscreen
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: on the minute I go and the son I'm cooked.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like you'd be one of those zinc blokes
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that just put it around your nose.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Na I love to say that warning.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I would be the highlight if I ever saw you
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: looking like that, Caleb, I love that.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Take a look backed yourself up over the.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Death the bottom it says work are attacked by a robot.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry, do you want me to read it? Toneath a factory.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Worker has suffer broken ribs after a malfunctioning robot knocked
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: him into a machine that tried to pack him ready.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: For ship it geez, I don't know what to say
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know either, but there's certainly a workplace health
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and safety claim to be made there a robot try
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: to pack.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Machine, I mean the robot. I've been warning that this
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: is happening. The robots are rising up, and now they're
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: going to put you in a box and send you
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: away grief.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to go to a break now.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Last week I was saying aging pop stars should be
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: banned from performing. I'm going to prove my point after
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: this all over the weekend. It was the first game
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: of the Women's Pro Baseball League in the United States,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: so they needed to sing the anthem and have someone
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: substantial to lead the crowd in that moment, So they
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: chose Martha Reeves, And well, why wouldn't you choose Martha Reeves?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: The lead singer of the Motown Grip and the Vandellas,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: is famous for songs like Dancing in the Street, which
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: was covered by Mick Jagger and David Bowie, and she
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: was even inaugurate, even put into the Rock and Rollers
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. So why wouldn't you get her to
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: sing the anthem? Well? Simple, at eighty five years of age,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: she can't sing anymore.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Oh see can you see bye.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Bye stribe sad.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Right by the pass by or the red sweet? What
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: now if you haven't switched off your television and you're
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: still with us, thank you for bearing with us through that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: The remarkable thing about that is she's done what no
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: one else has been able to do. She actually united
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats because everybody agreed that was horrendous.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Oh that was really bad. That was terrible. I love
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: it that the crowd were laughing as well.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: How is that real?
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Why did they get her up?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: It just you know, it takes me right back to
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: meet Load for the AFL Grand Final. It's Daddy's just
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: daddy's so bad.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Pop stars should stop when they turned sixty.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Again starting we're not having this debated.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Well not, I just won the debate.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I just you found one woman who can't sing, and
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: then you're like, that's why no one should sing?
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: No exactly.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Now do you want the house tour? As Sabrina Carpenter saying,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: she at least has a good voice. Do you want
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the house too? I could take you to the first, second,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: third floor. Well that's what Ben Carroll, the new Victorian Premier,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: is singing.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Good morning is the premier?
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Good morning Grace. I'm going well, what.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Does a typical Saturday morning you usually.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Look like in the Carroll house.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I'm an early riser, so up at five, at dog
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: for a walk, get a coffee for the wife.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: From one sentence, how would you describe your leadship? I'm relatable,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: reliable and hard working.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: What anyone please explain why Ben Carroll was giving us
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: a house.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Tom Lible?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: It sounds like a used car salement. I'll get your car,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I'm ready for you. It was why, Well, what's the point.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: We don't want to see a house bend, We want
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: to see what you're gonna do for the state.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: If you're relatable, you don't have to say I'm latable.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I know he's so wooden, you know, like that might
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: work if the guy had some personality, but he just
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have a great deal of it. But
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: of course if he steps out of his front door
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: at his home in Melbourne, he and may will be
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: confronted by potholes. That are just the roads in Victoria
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: are shocking at the moment. I've been on them recently,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: absolutely awful. But to never fear Sonya Turpstra labor inp
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: in Victoria. She says, people actually like the potholes. Residents
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: who don't want it resealed because they don't like traffic
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: going down, so they're quite happy to have it for potholes,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: might add, so not everyone's on board with you a
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: pothole thing.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: They actually like it full of potholes. Yes, actually it is.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Uh what is liberal campaign? Ad Son?
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Your turps has been on the turps?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: How else do you come up with those lines?
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for sticking around. Coming up
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: is the reader Pennety show. Good Night