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100 Greatest Players (Part 1) · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

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SPEAKER_00: Hi everybody, welcome to the 100th episode of the Pittsburgh Sports Memories Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: My name is Tim Hannon, and with me for the 100th straight episode is uh Steve Wirt.
0:13
SPEAKER_02: And uh you're not sick, you're not sick of me yet after a hundred episodes, huh?
0:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh not yet, not yet, maybe two hundred first and foremost, just thanks to all the folks who have been listening.
0:41
SPEAKER_00: Really appreciate folks going out here and coming back week after week and uh downloading new episodes, sharing their feedback with us, following us on social media, all that stuff.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: Just um man, I think Steve, when we started this, I I I don't know where you thought it was headed, but I I I don't know that I would have saw us going all the way to 100 episodes.
1:03
SPEAKER_02: I I figured we'd rival Joe Rogan, but we're close.
1:08
SPEAKER_00: We're like second place, I think.
1:09
SPEAKER_00: I haven't actually looked that up, but I just made that assumption.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:15
SPEAKER_00: So so for this 100th episode, uh we're gonna do uh we wanted to do something, you know, special or or different.
1:23
SPEAKER_00: So we thought let's make a list of the top 100 greatest players in the history of Pittsburgh sports, and we'll count them down.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: And and 100's a long list, so we're probably gonna break this up into multiple episodes.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh but just just some background on how we did this.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: So we had we had some criteria.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: So number one, it had to be a player, right?
1:47
SPEAKER_00: So no coaches, no owners, general managers, people like that.
1:51
SPEAKER_00: These are these are the athletes, the players only.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh number two, they had to have played for a Pittsburgh team.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: So that would exclude people like Arnold Palmer or Lauren Williams, you know, really great stars in their own right, but they played individual sports.
2:05
SPEAKER_00: They weren't on a Pittsburgh team, they were from Pittsburgh.
2:09
SPEAKER_00: So we excluded those people.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: And then we kept this to the pro and college level for Pittsburgh, so no high school athletes, plenty of great, great high school talent that's come out of Pittsburgh, especially in the football realm.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: But we wanted to keep it just to pro and college.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: And when we when we talk about the college players, we're talking about what they did in Pittsburgh, right?
2:29
SPEAKER_00: Not so much what they did in the pros for some other uh team.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: So that's our criteria.
2:35
SPEAKER_00: So let's jump into the list.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: So number 100 on our list is a gentleman named Matt Murray.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: He was a goaltender from the Penguins for from 2015 to 2020.
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SPEAKER_00: He wins two Stanley Cups as a quote unquote rookie.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: He also shot out the Predators in the final two games of the 2017 Stanley Cup finals.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: And the way we did this, uh the way we came up with this ranking was Steve and I both made our separate lists, and then we we kind of averaged them together to come up with our top 100.
3:07
SPEAKER_00: And Matt Murray was a guy that I did not have on my list, but Steve, you did.
3:11
SPEAKER_00: So I'll I'll let you uh explain why you think Matt Murray is one of the hundred greatest players in Pittsburgh history.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: You're trying, you're telling me to justify my pick.
3:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh I am.
3:22
SPEAKER_02: Explain yourself.
3:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh he did win two Stanley Cubs, and uh he was a very good goalie for about three years, four years.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: It like I I that's gotta count for something.
3:35
SPEAKER_02: I just I mean 100 seems low to me because he won two championship.
3:40
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like it just he wasn't like Peter Angelo, Frank Peter Angelo, who just like made like one big save, or uh like a Charlie Batch or somebody that just had a couple good games but was instrumental, or like a Cedric Wilson that just made a couple plays in the playoffs.
3:56
SPEAKER_02: He actually was very key to their run.
3:59
SPEAKER_02: So I I thought he deserved a spot in the top 100 than probably more than those guys if you were looking at them.
4:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess I guess I could do why didn't you rank them in your top 100, Tim?
4:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's two case, Steve.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: I I I think I think for me it was just the the the the amount of time was so short.
4:21
SPEAKER_00: But I think you know, listening to you justify it, I I'm I'm kind of leaning more toward your side because it's it's kind of the Terrell Davis effect, right?
4:28
SPEAKER_00: So Terrell Davis was that great running back for the Broncos who really had He had like four yeah, four good years.
4:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: But in those four good years, he he basically won the Broncos two Super Bowls.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: I I know they had John L.
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SPEAKER_00: Way too, so it wasn't like he did it all by himself, and certainly the Penguins had Sidney Crosby and some other decent players.
4:48
SPEAKER_00: But they don't probably win those Super Bowls without Terrell Davis, and you could say the same about Matt Murray.
4:54
SPEAKER_00: So uh, you know, and and Terrell Davis, they put him in the Hall of Fame, even though the the sampling size was so short.
5:00
SPEAKER_00: So I I yeah, I think I think that makes sense, Steve.
5:03
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm with you now.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: Well glad I was able to change your mind.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to number 99 on the list.
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SPEAKER_00: It's Andy Van Slake, Pirates outfielder from 1987 to 94.
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SPEAKER_00: Van Slake was a three-time All-Star and a five-time gold glove winner.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: That was really his his specialty.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: He could certainly hit, but he was such a highlight reel player in center field.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: He would make diving catches, he had a great arm.
5:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh I this was this is the opposite of Matt Murray, where I had him ranked and Steve did not.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: And and I think maybe there's just some bias here because Van Slick was one of my favorite players growing up.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: Um loved the guy.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: And again, he was just fun to watch and a huge fan favorite.
5:45
SPEAKER_00: Steve, any thoughts on Andy Van Slick?
5:48
SPEAKER_02: He was a good player for his time, but he wasn't even the best player on that team.
5:53
SPEAKER_02: Like that was obviously somebody else that I'm sure will be later on this list.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: And uh and and like when you go all-time pirates, it's it's tough.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: Like the you know, I know the pirates have sucked since 1979, except for that brief period.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: Like, he just doesn't like even if you tried to consider him in those times, like, is he ahead of Andrew McCutcheon or Neil Walker?
6:18
SPEAKER_02: He's probably like around the walker kind of area, you know?
6:22
SPEAKER_02: And he just it just all time, he just he maybe just falls just off.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, 199, you could debate, you know, what's the really difference between 101 and 95 or 89?
6:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, you know, it was probably uh probably a just miss, but you know, he made the list and thanks to you, Tim.
6:42
SPEAKER_02: But you know, I see your I see my Matt Murray for your Andy Van Slick.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: He was a very good player, and he was a very good defensive saying or fielder.
6:52
SPEAKER_02: He just didn't hit in the playoffs, if I remember correctly.
6:54
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, well, nobody did.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: So that was the that was the reason they lost all those playoffs, unfortunately.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 98 on the list is we're gonna go back to hockey, Brooks Orpick, Penguins defenseman from 2002 to 2014.
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SPEAKER_00: There's only eight players in the history of the Penguins who have suited up for 700 games or more, and Brooks Orpick is one of those players.
7:17
SPEAKER_00: He also won a Stanley Cup in 2009.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: Steve, what would you like to say about our friend Brooks Orpick?
7:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I thought he was good.
7:25
SPEAKER_02: He's named after Her Brooks, so he's got that going for him.
7:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I didn't know that.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh he was uh he put the hit on uh somebody from the Capitals that changed the series.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: I remember that.
7:37
SPEAKER_02: And then uh he scored, was he the one that scored the elimination goal against the Islanders?
7:42
SPEAKER_02: Or was he?
7:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so just for that fact alone, he deserves a spot on the he's the only guy that's ever eliminated the Islanders in Penguins history.
7:53
SPEAKER_02: Good point.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: So he's got that going for him.
7:56
SPEAKER_02: But once again, you know, it's uh these guys in these later ones, like yeah, he could be off the list.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: He could be on the list.
8:03
SPEAKER_02: It's a better list with him on it, I guess.
8:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, steady presence.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: Even though he went to the Capitals later in his career.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: That's that's true.
8:10
SPEAKER_00: We won't hold that against him.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, steady, steady presence for a whole bunch of years.
8:15
SPEAKER_00: Number 97, speaking of uh steady presence on Penguins defense, it's Paul Coffee, 1987 to 92 for the Penguins, uh, a Hall of Famer in the NHL, holds a bunch of records for defensemen.
8:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh his time with the Penguins wasn't super long, it was about four and a half seasons, but he did help them win a scaling cup in 1991.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: And I I kind of feel like the Penguins kind of grew up when he came over from Edmonton.
8:41
SPEAKER_00: The Penguins were just this, even with Mario Lemieux, were not, they didn't have any direction, didn't have any identity.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: And and they got this bona fide superstar uh uh veteran defenseman from a team that was winning Stanley Cups, and I just felt like his presence alone probably did more than even his play, which was also very good.
9:02
SPEAKER_02: Him and a guy that I I know isn't on the list, Brian Trantier, I'm sure, you know, that just kind of like knew how to win.
9:09
SPEAKER_02: Although I think Coffey was, you know, still in his prime where Trontier definitely wasn't.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: And he was he'd come from a winner in Edmonton, he knew how to win and was a good offensive defenseman.
9:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't think he played like he he didn't play like defense.
9:26
SPEAKER_02: He wasn't a hitter like Brooks Ork pick, he was more of a goal scorer and a puck handler.
9:30
SPEAKER_02: Kind of uh definitely would you a better version than Chris Letang?
9:35
SPEAKER_02: Although I'm sure I bet Chris Letang's ranked higher on this list.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, if you look at the if you look at the overall career of Paul Coffey, and not just his time with the Penguins, I think you could I think you could definitely make that argument.
9:46
SPEAKER_00: But similar, similar style for sure.
9:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: All right, uh sticking with Penguin Defensemen, we're just in the Penguin Defenseman realm here.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Sergey Gonchar, Penguins Defenseman from 2005 to 2010, he did make an all-star game.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: They won a Stanley Cup with him.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: And I think I think he was similar to Paul Coffee, right?
10:04
SPEAKER_00: He he was he didn't come from a winner, he played for the Capitals, who always lost to the mostly to the Penguins.
10:09
SPEAKER_00: But uh, but he was a veteran, he was a he was a steady presence.
10:13
SPEAKER_00: And we did that episode about the uh 2005-016 team where they went out and they signed all those guys.
10:18
SPEAKER_00: Remember Steve Ziggy Palfy and uh John LeClaire, and they were trying to build a winner, and it just fizzled out so badly.
10:25
SPEAKER_00: But the one guy that they signed that worked out really well is Gaunt.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: And he's he's with them all the way through the cup years.
10:32
SPEAKER_00: He is that Paul Coffee, Chris Latang, you know, offensive defenseman that runs point on the power play and everything.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: And he was I think he was huge for Malkin, right?
10:41
SPEAKER_02: Because that's what, yeah.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: So I think that was his probably his best role was he was helped, he kind of like how Mario helped Sid and into the league.
10:50
SPEAKER_02: It was kind of the same thing with Gonchar, because you know, they're both Russians and help them learn English and get acclimated to Pittsburgh and North America in general.
10:59
SPEAKER_02: So Yep.
11:00
SPEAKER_00: So Sergei Gonchar, number 96.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: Number 95, this is a guy that is a name that probably not a lot of people know.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: It's Larry Brown.
11:09
SPEAKER_00: Played for the Steelers from 1971 to 1984.
11:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh so one of the one if you look at the list of most seasons in a Steeler uniform, he's he's right up there with 14.
11:19
SPEAKER_00: And he was a versatile player.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: He he started his career tight end.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh he actually caught a uh the game-cliting touchdown pass in Super Bowl nine against the Vikings.
11:29
SPEAKER_00: But then he moves to to tackle.
11:32
SPEAKER_00: He plays in 167 games over 14 years, member of all four Super Bowl teams, only makes one Pro Bowl.
11:39
SPEAKER_00: He is inducted into the Steelhorse Hall of Honor.
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SPEAKER_00: Kind of really similar to Brooks Arpick here in my mind, Steve, just a guy that was steady for a ton of years and never got you know superstar acclaim.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: Probably wasn't known outside of Pittsburgh a whole ton, but his efforts for the team were always appreciated and recognized, and again, that's why he's in the the Steel Horse Hall of Honor.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I don't know this guy from anybody.
12:05
SPEAKER_02: Didn't was a little before my time really watching Steelers football, so I'll have to take your word for it, Tim.
12:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and the Steelers offensive line in the in the 70s, I mean well was really good.
12:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, had Mike Webster.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: I mean Right, right.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: And so I mean they they again another thing where they win four Super Bowls without the line that they had, but it was kind of other than the center, who we'll talk about later, like you you kind of alluded to, uh, was mostly unheralded.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: So I thought it was worth putting another guy from that line on this list somewhere.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: So he's number 95.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: Number ninety-four is Lashawn McCoy.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: This is an interesting, yeah.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: This is interesting.
12:47
SPEAKER_02: He's an interesting player to talk about.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: Played from Pitt uh 2007 to 2008, was the big East Offensive Player of the Year in 2008, 2,800 rushing yards and 35 touchdowns.
13:01
SPEAKER_00: This is in this is in just two seasons, so that's pretty impressive.
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SPEAKER_00: Averaged almost five yards of carry.
13:07
SPEAKER_00: And then, oh yeah, he was pretty good in the NFL as well.
13:09
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, we're rating this on their time in Pittsburgh, not their time with other teams, but it's still worth mentioning that he went on to have a great NFL career too.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: Steve, Shady McCoy, your memories of Shady McCoy?
13:21
SPEAKER_02: 13 to 9, man.
13:22
SPEAKER_02: He was the off he was the offense.
13:24
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
13:25
SPEAKER_02: It was LaShawn McCoy to the right, LaShawn McCoy to the left.
13:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh, let's mix it up and run him up the middle, you know.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: That was our whole offense that game.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: That and kick and field goals.
13:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh really good player.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: Borderline, and he he's like, is he gonna make the NFL Hall of Fame?
13:44
SPEAKER_02: He's a very, very borderline case.
13:46
SPEAKER_02: We've looked at his stats before.
13:49
SPEAKER_02: Um if he makes it, he'll be, you know, probably, probably, I don't know.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: It'll have to be later rather than sooner, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with him and his Hall of Fame, you know, stat.
14:06
SPEAKER_02: Did he win a did he he never was on a Super Bowl winning team?
14:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh he was on Kansas City when they won their first Super Bowl, but he was like a scratch.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: And the pit teams that he was on, I don't think, besides 13 to 9, I don't even know.
14:22
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he maybe played in one bowl game.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh, he he played in the greatest bowl game of all time, Steve.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: Well, what was that?
14:28
SPEAKER_00: The car care bowl?
14:29
SPEAKER_00: No, the three to nothing uh Sun Bowl.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's right.
14:32
SPEAKER_02: That was another Yeah, that was another we don't want Pat Bostick to throw a pass game.
14:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
14:41
SPEAKER_02: So it's like it I I don't know.
14:44
SPEAKER_02: It's it he's a very borderline.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: If he gets in the Hall of Fame, I'll be kind of shocked.
14:48
SPEAKER_02: I don't think he's gonna make it, but you never know.
14:51
SPEAKER_02: I hope he does.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Definitely a great player for Pitt on some.
14:55
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: Very mediocre.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: He was on that one year they lost six in a row, which yeah, uh right now they're in a four-game re losing streak.
15:04
SPEAKER_02: And I think I read somewhere that's their second longest losing streak since that one.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: I remember one year they won six games and then lost the next five or six and didn't make a bowl game because they went six and six and Notre Dame sucks.
15:18
SPEAKER_00: That sounds like pit.
15:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's the Notre Dame effect.
15:21
SPEAKER_02: You have to win, which I don't mind.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: Like, who wanted that six and sixteen to go to a bowl game?
15:26
SPEAKER_02: You know?
15:26
SPEAKER_02: I mean, so you gotta win eight games to go to a bowl game.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: That's probably how it should be anyway.
15:32
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 93 is Doug Drabeck, a pitcher for the Pirates between 1987 and 1992.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: He was the 1990 Cy Young Award winner.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: That year he went 22 and 6 with a 2.76 ERA.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: Only two Pirates in their history have ever won the Cy Young Award.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: Doug Drabeck is one of them, so that's a pretty big deal.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh he was definitely the ace of those early 90s Pirates teams.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: And it's worth mentioning Doug Draybick also has his distinction of once yelling at Steve for almost hitting his car with a football.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: That wasn't that wasn't me.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: That was my friend Mike.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't even remember him.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: And that might have been that might have been Sid Bream, too.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Or no, maybe it was Doug.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: It was Dra.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: Mike was didn't have very good hands or couldn't throw.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: But he was throwing it to you, wasn't he?
16:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: You were in the middle of that.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: Good luck, right?
16:30
SPEAKER_00: Doug Dravick, Steve and I went to the same school, and Doug Dravick's kid went to our school.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: So and and somehow Steve was involved in a back and forth throwing the football around.
16:39
SPEAKER_00: Almost like Doug Dravick's car.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: But let's talk about Doug Dravick the player.
16:44
SPEAKER_02: Well, he was a very good player.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: Hey, I ranked them higher than you did.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: But you didn't you didn't quite have him on the list.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: I didn't have him on the list.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: I I think he deserves air.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he won a Cy Young Award, was the ace of that staff.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: His best years were probably there.
17:00
SPEAKER_02: He's referenced in a Seinfeld episode where they talk about Steinbrenner trading away people.
17:05
SPEAKER_02: He's one of the people they list as Steinbrenner trading away.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: So he just pop culture.
17:11
SPEAKER_02: He's got it all.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: Pop culture references, Cy Young Awards.
17:15
SPEAKER_02: Pitched a really good seventh game, just couldn't get to that ninth inning.
17:18
SPEAKER_02: Boy, if he could have pitched a complete game shutout.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates would have lost in the World Series, probably, but at least they would have made the World Series.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: That's actually a really good what-if.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: Because you're right, he shot out Atlanta for eight innings.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: What if he just gets some 1-2-3 in the ninth?
17:36
SPEAKER_00: And then the Pirates win the pennant.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: Is Doug Drabach higher on this list?
17:40
SPEAKER_00: That's a great what-if.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: But alas.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: Or maybe he has a dent in his car from a football.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay, this one is for sure going to be controversial.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: But Steven Adams, a pit center in 2013 on their basketball team, was a big 6'11 center, made the big East All rookie team, led the team in broad in blocks.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: And when you look back at his stats, they're not anything to scream at, and it was only that one year.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: But he he just well, if you watched him play, he was just very dominant, and you're like, boy, this guy's gonna be a stud in the NBA.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: And the NBA agrees, they actually make him the 12th overall pick.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: In the 2013 NBA draft, he's the second highest NBA draft pick ever in pit history.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: So uh I think I put him on the list because of all those things I just said.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: The things working against him were that he only played for Pitt for that one year.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: He didn't exactly lead Pitt to any glory, and again, he wasn't, you know, he he he wasn't like that Dwayne Wade or or think of like a great college player where they just willed a medium.
18:46
SPEAKER_02: Zion Williams.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, like willed like an otherwise not that great college basketball team all the way to like deep into the NCAA tournament.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: Steven Adams wasn't that guy, but just because he was he was just this stud kind of athlete, that's kind of where I had him on this list, and I know Stevie didn't.
19:04
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, because he he'd never do anything here in Pittsburgh, and one of Jamie Dixon's only forays into getting a one and done, and it didn't really work out.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: Jamie Dixon's better with the guys that aren't NBA picks, like you know Killing Spage or somebody like that.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, he's better with those guys.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: They do better under him than the guy.
19:26
SPEAKER_02: I guess that maybe that's just basketball in general, because it seems like the guys that have talent don't really listen to the coaches, they just kind of do whatever they want.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: Unless it's unless it's Phil Jackson, and apparently they all listen to Phil Jackson.
19:38
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: Even even uh that guy down in San Antonio, I don't think they listen to him.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh he's been there forever.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: Popovich.
19:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think.
19:49
SPEAKER_02: But he had Tim Duncan and David Robinson.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: Like, well, how do you coach that?
19:55
SPEAKER_02: You're really tall, get the ball and shoot it over the other really tall guy.
19:59
unknown: Yeah.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: Come on.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm probably really selling him short.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: So all right.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: And number 91 is number 91.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: It's Aaron Smith.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: Playing for the Steelers between 1999 and 2011.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: He was inducted into the Steelers Hall of Honor in 2023.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: So another guy with if you look back, if you just look at his stats, you're like, he wasn't that good.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: But man, you could argue that the Steelers teams of the 2000s do not win Super Bowls without Aaron Smith.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: And I think the really telling thing for me with Aaron Smith was there was a season uh late in his career, I want to say like 2010 or 11.
20:37
SPEAKER_02: I remember this yeah, he got hurt.
20:39
SPEAKER_00: He got hurt and the and it was like awake.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: It it it it it it was the whole team was just so distraught.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, what are we gonna do without Aaron Smith?
20:47
SPEAKER_00: And usually, you know, somebody gets hurt, hey, next man up, and we're gonna plug forward.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: And the reaction and the tone of all his teammates were such that, like, well, the season's over.
20:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was literally like that.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, man, Aaron Smith is I remember just thinking at the time, Steve, Aaron Smith is a really valuable player that none of us fully appreciate.
21:07
SPEAKER_02: I know I've told this on a podcast before, and I remember going to there was a Colts game the one year, I think it was the year they went to Super Bowl 45 and lost, maybe.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: And they they were playing Peyton Manning and the Colts.
21:21
SPEAKER_02: That was the game where Ike Taylor tipped the ball perfectly to Marvin Harrison, who yeah.
21:28
SPEAKER_02: But I remember Aaron Smith was dominating the Colts so bad that first they had him block single block, then they tried to double team him.
21:37
SPEAKER_02: They still couldn't chop him, double, double team him, and then they eventually they were rolling Peyton Manning away from him.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: Like you just don't see like a defensive end in a three four like affect the game.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: And nobody ran.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Remember, nobody ran on the Steelers back then.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm I miss those days.
21:56
SPEAKER_02: Like now you watch this team and people get five yards, like it's nothing.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Flat.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: And it's like back then, you wouldn't even try it.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: Like I remember Belichick and some of their seeds didn't even try it.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: We're just going to pass the ball 60 times.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: They were not even going to try and run the ball.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: It's because between him and Casey Hampton and you know who else?
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Farrier.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it was uh man.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: I miss I missed that defense.
22:21
SPEAKER_02: I think Mike Tomlin might miss it too.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: So Aaron Smith, number 91.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: Number 90 is Dick Croat, played for the Pirates between 1952 and 1962.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: Was a three-time All-Star, was the league MVP of the National League in 1960.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I would have remembered that.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: Also won the batting title that year.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: He's in the Pirates Hall of Fame.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: He also played in the NBA and spent 40 seasons as the radio keller analyst for the Pitt Panthers men's basketball team.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: Steve Dick wrote, you had him a little higher than I did, but we both had him on the list.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was really good.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: He was a good basketball player, too.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: He said all American right at Duke, right?
23:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: And played in the NBA.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: Very good player, very good.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: He played shortstop, yeah.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: A very, very good player, very good hitter, part of the integral part of that 60 team that won the championship.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: I mean, and then had a great career.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: Like as far as Pittsburgh goes, this guy's like basically you know moved here and stayed here for his whole you know career and life.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: You know, he made a home like a lot of guys did back then.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, best best player, honestly.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: He was the MVP, best player on that 60 month series team.
23:35
SPEAKER_02: So which included Clemeny, but it wasn't Clemeny yet.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 89 is Phil Kessel.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: Played for the Penguins between 2015 and 2019.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Kessel made an all-star game when he was here, but really, you know, his contribution was anchoring that HBK line that that really, again, another thing where just like Matt Murray, I don't know that the Penguins win those two cups without him in that line.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: It was unstoppable.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: It really was.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: He never misses a game the whole time he's here.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: He actually never missed a game pretty much his whole career.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: He has that Iron Man streak.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: And uh just a unique player, a fun player, definitely a guy that had fallen out of favor other places, but found uh found a his neck here.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: He's a tough guy to rank.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: Like he's almost like Aaron Smith.
24:24
SPEAKER_02: Like he it's all intangible.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: You can't look at stats.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: Well, he has good, he has decent stats too.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: Even when he was with Toronto in the playoffs, like they always said, Oh, he's a choker in the playoffs.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: Then you look at him like, he scored a lot of goals.
24:38
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't play defense.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a one-trick pony.
24:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's kind yeah, but his one trick he's really good at.
24:46
SPEAKER_02: So for sure.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: So Phil Kessel, number 89.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Number 88 is Bobby Lane, Steelers quarterback between 50 1958 and 1962.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: Wait a minute.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: Is that the Hall of Fame of drinking?
25:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Bobby Lane uh reportedly used to smoke cigarettes in the huddle.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: Definitely drank a ton of alcohol.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: Uh so he was he was definitely an interesting guy uh off the field.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh did make what dude was a two-time all-pro in his time with the Steelers, was definitely at the end of his career by the time he came to Pittsburgh, he had won championships in Detroit, and was more at the end of his career, but still was really good for the Steelers.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: And kind of like Paul Coffee a little bit, Steve, where it's like that's the first time the Steelers probably had a uh a superstar quarterback ever.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, like somebody that would probably even sell tickets, right?
25:40
SPEAKER_00: Like, oh my gosh, Bobby Lane, the guy that just won the NFL championship for the Lions a couple years ago, and now he's gonna be our quarterback.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: That was probably a big deal at the time.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: So Bobby Lane has a place on this list.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I I ranked him pretty high in the top top 60.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: You did not rank him, but Bobby Lane's an NFL Hall of Famer and played well here.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: You know, hey, he was like, if Johnny Manzel like was actually successful on the field.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: That's a great description.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: That's such a good description.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if Johnny Johnny football could actually play football.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: That's that was Bobby Lane.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: All right.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: Number 87 is Buck Leonard, played for the Homestead Grace between 1934 and 1950, was a 13-time All-Star in the Negro Leagues, a Hall of Famer, was often referred to in his time as the black Lou Gehrig.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: Hey, maybe maybe Lou Gehrig was the white Buck Leonard.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Hey.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Very true.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: Very true.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: I I think he was the one that was, Steve, was he the one that was on the Ken Burns baseball thing?
26:51
SPEAKER_00: So he always loved his insight later.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was great.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: Like about just talking about playing like barn storming around there.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, we had to play like two games on Saturday and another doubleheader on Sunday.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it was like the crazy stuff they used to do to make money back then because they weren't allowed to play in the major leagues.
27:11
SPEAKER_02: But I guess it made for some interesting history.
27:14
SPEAKER_02: But unfortunately for him, I don't know.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: Did he ever make it to the N to the Major League Baseball?
27:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't believe he did.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: I think his I think his career was kind of over by that point.
27:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because what what was Jackie Robinson?
27:27
SPEAKER_02: 1948, 47, 47.
27:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:31
SPEAKER_02: Very good player, very interesting person.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: If you ever get the chance to watch, it's it's fun to watch, like, you know, oral history.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: And it's good that Ken Burns captured that because it'd be a shame to lose that bit of our it's history part of our country, part of baseball.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: Good to see him recognized.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: And you know.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there'll be more to come of these types of players to play.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Number eighty-six, another guy that not everybody's gonna be familiar with, Billy Knight, played.
28:01
SPEAKER_02: I know he's good.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: I don't know anything about him really.
28:04
SPEAKER_02: Never saw him play.
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, played for the Pitt basketball team between 1971 and 1974.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: So not a time that that college basketball had really hit its peak.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: Yet you had UCLA, you had a lot of West Coast basketball popularity, but in places like Pittsburgh, I don't know that you had a you know a ton of uh interest outside of the college.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh he was voted to Pitts all-time starting five.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: He's had his jersey retired by the university.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: He averaged 22 points a game, and he led Pitt to a school record 22 consecutive wins in 1974, which is pretty impressive.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: So Billy Knight.
28:41
SPEAKER_02: Except for the fact that at that time, like UCLA was winning like 60 games, right?
28:47
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I said, if you weren't UCLA, you were kind of just second tier.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: And and those, you know, there's a great ESPN 30 for 30 did a great documentary once about the Big East Conference.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: And they really talked about how that was really the start of East Coast basketball catching on college basketball.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: And that didn't come until the 80s.
29:07
SPEAKER_00: So at this point, you know, again, forgotten, but don't want to forget him here.
29:12
SPEAKER_00: He's number 86.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: Another guy that played during the exact same era of college basketball in Pittsburgh, Norm Nixon, played for the Duquesne Dukes between 1973 and 1977.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: He averaged 17 points a game, five assists, four rebounds, scored 1800 points, and had his jersey retired by the university.
29:31
SPEAKER_00: Generally considered uh one of the one of the two or three greatest players in the history of Duquesne basketball.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Steve, I I he he went to the Lakers uh in his pro career, and you were talking about that when we were before we were recording.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: I did not know anything about Norm Nixon, and if we would have done this like two years ago, I would have been as clueless as anybody.
29:51
SPEAKER_02: But I watched that HBO um, I don't know, a docuseries called um winning time about the Lakers, and he was the point guard when Magic Johnson showed up in that draft, and so he had already been on the team and he kind of like shows Magic Johnson the ropes of like how it's gonna be in the NBA, but they ended up working together and they won a couple championships with the Lakers, and uh, I did not know anything about him.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: And it great, he had a nickname Storm and Norman Nixon, which you know I guess you know, Storm and Norman Schwartzkoff later would I don't maybe it's just because Norman it works with Norman, I don't know.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: But um it just uh I didn't know I didn't know he played for Duquesne, I did not know he played for Duquesne, but um a really good basketball player, and I I only really know him uh from that series about the Lakers, and I wouldn't have known him yeah, otherwise since.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: So obviously a very excellent basketball player, and it's funny to think how good I didn't realize Duquesne was still that good in the 70s.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Fun fact, as of the time of this recording, his senior season, 1977, is still to this day the last time that Duquesne made the NCAA tournament.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: Well, when you have that guy, sure, you probably have a really good shot.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, well, I mean, and that was when they only had what 32 teams?
31:14
SPEAKER_02: I believe, yeah, it was smaller.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: I know it was definitely you had to win your you had to I I like the I like it better like that, where you have to win your conference to get in.
31:23
SPEAKER_02: It should be like that.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: Now, I mean, I just think a hundred and some teams is too many.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: It's just stupid.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: And you if you want to have another loser's bracket tournament, have the NIT.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: That's what that's why they had the NIT.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it's yeah, I I don't know.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: I liked it better when you have to win your conference to get into the tournament.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: It makes sense to me.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: I will uh I will clip out your comments there, Steve, and I will send forward it to some university presidents who I'm sure are very interested in losing money by yeah, losing a billion dollars.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, losing a billion dollars in March there.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I mean, if you still deletes it, it definitely deletes it.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: You're right.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean your future.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: I mean, like people wouldn't watch those games in the NIT, maybe.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, same with seven NFL playoff teams and you know, all the baseball playoff teams that they have now.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: It it it tends to dilute it, but then more fans are interested.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: I get why they do it too.
32:18
SPEAKER_02: So maybe they can make the winner of the NIT then make them the play and or you know, make them the last two or something.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Fair, fair.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's move on to number 84.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: Another guy that people are not going to remember.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: It's Wilbur Cooper.
32:33
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I remember him well.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: I remember watching him back in 1919 there.
32:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: Pirates pitcher from 1912 to 1924, led to the National League and wins in 1921.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: The reason he's on this list, there's only one pitcher in the history of the Pirates to win over 200 games.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Pirates don't have any 300 game winners, but they have one 200 game winner, and it's Wilbur Cooper.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: So I think he he belongs on the list.
32:59
SPEAKER_00: Granted, he played during an era where the Pirates didn't win any championships.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh played during an era where pitchers tended to take away.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh man, he just he just missed it too.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Twitter.
33:09
SPEAKER_02: He would have played one more season.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Or if he would have started three years earlier.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: So, but I I just again, no one else has that many wins.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: He's got he's I just think he has to be on the list for that.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates in pitching aren't exactly like I've always thought that about the Pirates.
33:26
SPEAKER_02: They've always been more about hitting than pitching, and maybe that's why they've only but they still won five World Series with but they've had some of the greatest hitters of all time.
33:35
SPEAKER_02: So and and they had good pitching during their series, right?
33:38
SPEAKER_00: But not great guys, but nothing, not like all-time great pitchers, but guys at least during that time.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: Like you look at yeah, you look at the Yankees or the Cardinals or even the Dodgers, like they don't have a Sandy Koufax, they don't have a Whitey Ford, or who's a great Cardinals pitcher.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to, I don't I Bob Gibson.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they don't have a guy like that.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: And that's that's quite honestly is probably why they've won those teams that won more championships.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: Totally agree.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 83, speaking of Pirates pitchers, it's it's El Roy Face, uh played for the Pirates between 1953 and 1968.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: He was a three-time All-Star.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: He's in the Pirates Hall of Fame.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: And his big contribution in terms of like we just talked about winning championships, was he saved three of those games in the 1960s series.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: So Steve, you you had him higher on the list than I did.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: You want to talk about Roy Face?
34:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I can't no, it was Haddock's who came in in the ninth, right, of the game.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: The Mazarovski game.
34:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but he's still like saving those games.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: That's the one of the big reasons the Pirates won the 1960 World Series, because they won the close ones and lost the other ones.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: So obviously having once again, like the Pirates, like every World Series, like 1925, they'd have the great pitching, but when you kind of put them all together and they all kind of have played their role, they were good enough to beat a better opponent.
35:05
SPEAKER_02: And it's uh yeah, it's just it's interesting that like once again, you know, they don't have great pitching, but he's they're a pirates hall of famer.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: He's and a three-time All-Star, so good for Roy Fayes.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 82 is Rick Kehoe.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: Played for the Penguins between 1974 and 1985.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Come on.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: Late Lady Bing.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: Why why even list that as an accomplishment, Tim?
35:32
SPEAKER_02: It's a trophy.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: He won it.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh, how gentleman how gentlemanly of him.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: So as Steve said, he won a Lady Bing trophy.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: He also was a 50 goal star scorer, a two-time All-Star, uh, almost 800 career points.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: What's his penalty minutes?
35:49
SPEAKER_02: Like three?
35:51
SPEAKER_00: Well, in that era was probably like, you know, 120.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: It was like leading the league in low penalty minutes.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh Rick Hill really, if you if you want to just spoil it down one thing, he was he was arguably the Penguins' best player in the era before Mario Lemieux, which you know isn't saying a whole ton because the Penguins weren't very good, but he was a good player for a lot of years.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: And you know, gosh, if he just comes along four or five years later, he he might have been, you know, he might have been that Brian Trockey role you mentioned earlier, Steve.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: You know?
36:24
SPEAKER_02: He I think he was a coach eventually.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: So good for Rick Kehoe.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: Just yeah, he was still a good player back in those days when they weren't very good.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: So yep.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Gotta show some love to the to the Bad Dangwin teams of the uh pre-Mario days.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: Number eighty-one is Ray Brown.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: Played for the Homestead Greys between 1932 and 1948.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: He is also in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: And he is widely considered, we were talking about uh Pittsburgh pitchers.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: He was widely considered the best pitcher in the Negro Leagues during the first time.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: Maybe if the Pirates would have had them, had him instead of some of the guys they had in the 50s, they would have been more success.
37:05
SPEAKER_02: Or 40s, I mean, yeah.
37:07
SPEAKER_00: Well the Pirates and the Pirates actually had some good teams around the around that time.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Not a lot.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: The late 40s they got really bad.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, do you see Fred Clark signing this guy?
37:17
SPEAKER_02: That yeah, uh it's not that's not happening.
37:20
SPEAKER_02: That's the problem.
37:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't know about Barney Dreyfus.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Barney Dreyfus still owned the team back then, yeah.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: You know, there there was, we talked in one episode about 1938, the year that they were uh they literally expanded the press box at Forbes Field because they thought they had pretty much clinched the pennant and were going to the World Series and then they let the Cubs come back on them.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's that's there were seasons like that where if you had a a a really good pitcher like this guy, and you would have just been, you know, not a total racist.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, who knows what they could do.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: Like they had all these great, like that's the thing that really hurts about this era.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: They had two teams in Pittsburgh, two Negro League teams, the the Greys and the Crawford, who were stacked.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about a handful of these guys.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, these were great players.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: And and sure, do they stack up against Major League talent the same way they do against Negro League talent?
38:11
SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
38:12
SPEAKER_00: But man, they could have used this guy.
38:15
unknown: Yeah.
38:15
unknown: Yeah.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: Just so stupid.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: Such a stupid reason not to let these guys play for your team.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 80 is the Wreckin' Ball, Mark Wreck.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh actually three stints, separate stints with the Penguins, 88-92, 05 and 06, and then came back later for 06-08.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: Mark Recy is in the hockey hall of fame.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: He has 154 goals for the Penguins, but ten of those are in the playoffs.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: He was a pretty clutch player.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh he did score the clinching goal that sent the Penguins to their first ever Stanley Cup final against Boston in 1991, and he also assisted on Sidney Crosby's first goal and Efgeny Malkin's first goal.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: So pretty pretty broad career for Mark Recy.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he got traded uh before one of the Stanley Cups, didn't he?
39:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he he and Paul Coffee both got traded for that was for Tockett and Ken Reggett in '92.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: So he he was only on that one Stanley Cup winner, and then he was he was there in 2008, but I think he I don't think he was on the playoff team that went to the finals against the Red Wings.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: I think he had gotten traded or retired or something before that.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, he he just interesting career with the Penguins.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: Really, really good player.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: Kind of uh a little undersized, but man, was really tough and and just clutch.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 79.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: This is this is a good example of Steve of what you were talking about earlier.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: It's Kent DeCalvey, Pirates pitcher between 1974 and 1985.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: He's in the Pirates Hall of Fame, and he is instrumental in Pittsburgh's 1971 World Series or 1979, I should say, World Series Championship.
40:00
SPEAKER_00: He saved three games, including the deciding game seven.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: So I think another example of not not an all-time pitcher, not a Bob Gibson or uh or a Sandy Koufax or a Clayton Kershaw or whatever.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: Or even like a Goose Gossage or uh Trevor Hoffman as relievers go, yeah.
40:17
SPEAKER_00: Right.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: But but when they needed him to be clutch, right, he was clutch.
40:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and played a little left field too, and uh yeah.
40:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's right.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: He's a really really good clutch pitcher, like you said, and came up big time in those three World Series wins.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: Or three World Series games, let me say.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's it's a guy where if the if the Pirates don't win that World Series, he we probably don't remember Kent DeCalvey the way we do.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: So but he did, and that counts for a lot.
40:50
SPEAKER_00: Had cool glasses too.
40:51
SPEAKER_00: He did, he well, yeah.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: He had those kind of those um, I don't know what you call those, like the the cop glasses or aviators.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: He looks like, can I see your license and registration?
41:05
SPEAKER_00: As he steps off his motorcycle.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: All right, we're going back to the Negro Leagues here.
41:10
SPEAKER_00: Oscar Charleston, homestead 1930 to 31, and then he played for the Pittsburgh Crawfords between 1932 and 1937.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: He was a center fielder and manager.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: He's in the Pirates Hall of Fame, uh, despite never playing for the Pirates.
41:25
SPEAKER_02: We're just gonna take credit for him.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh he uh he's also in the baseball hall of fame.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: He he was really fast, he had a very strong arm in center field, uh, was a very um smart guy too.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: Again, also managed the team.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: Steve, what do you want to say about Oscar Charleston?
41:44
SPEAKER_02: I think he ran the team too.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: Like he almost was like a manager owner player, like very you know, and to do all that and run a team and back then in the 30s, that's that is the depression.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: So not just a good player, but you know, probably would have been a great baseball executive too if he would have been given a chance.
42:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what what a what an amazing uh life and uh they're happy to honor him at 78.
42:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: All right, next on the list, Sam Clancy at number 77.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: He's a pit basketball player between 1977 and 1981.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: He averages 14 points and 11 rebounds per game.
42:26
SPEAKER_00: He's the only pit player to score more than a thousand points and grab more than a thousand rebounds during his career.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Steve.
42:34
SPEAKER_02: I do not remember Sam Clancy at all, but uh sounds like he had a great career at Pitts out of all them rebounds and uh did they make uh did they make the tournament any of those years, 77 to 81?
42:47
SPEAKER_02: I uh probably not.
42:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh once again, UCLA was kind of still well, no, maybe not.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: UCLA was probably running out of steam by then, but um definitely like you know, pit basketball, it's tough to rank some of these guys because they haven't had a terrible amount of success.
43:05
SPEAKER_02: And even back then, like once again, you had to win.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: I think he they did not expand the field until the mid-80s, so you had to win your conference, and I don't think Pitt was in the big east yet.
43:18
SPEAKER_02: They were probably still not they were in that Eastern eight or something like that.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: So this was also the era of basketball where the big man was really important.
43:27
SPEAKER_00: This is pre-Michael Jordan, pre-Magic Johnson.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: Right, so so Kareem Abdul Jabbar and and and got it.
43:34
SPEAKER_02: Well it wouldn't be it would have been like Larry Byrd and actually what's his name, Magic Johnson would have been at the end of the yeah, at the end of his at the end of his tenure.
43:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: But but even when even the year Michael Jordan got drafted, he got he was a third pick because Hakeem Elijawan and Sam Bowie were drafted before him.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: You why do you remember why?
43:56
SPEAKER_02: Because they're both like big well.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: So even into the mid eighties, there was still even on that on even on that North Carolina team where it wasn't Worthy considered the better player.
44:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because he was tall.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: Remember like left tackle in the NFL used to be like the most important position in the world, and that was all the high draft picks, all the big free agents.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: I think it still is, maybe not quite as much.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: But that was kind of like the left tackle era of basketball.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: If you had a big man, and Sam Klanski was a big man.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: Alright, number 76, we're going to stick with Pitt.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: We're going to go to football.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: It's Chris Dolman, played for Pitt between 1981 and 1984.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: We talked about him in a recent episode we did about the uh the Pitt Hall of Famers.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: Fog Fazio, the coach of Pitt back then, said, quote, sometimes we'll stop the game film just to point out to the team Chris's desire and hustle to get there.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: So like they literally would just, they'd be playing film from the previous week and they would just pause it and be like, let's go back and just watch Chris's hustle.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh his 25 sacks still ranks sixth all time at Pitt.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: He ends up being the number four overall pick in the 85 draft and has a great career and makes the NFL Hall of Fame for the Minnesota Vikings.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh again, we talked about him just recently, Steve Chris Dolman.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, great, great defensive player.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: I can't believe he's still ranked sixth all-time at Pitt.
45:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's played a long time ago, and Pitt's kind of had like a really good run of defensive lineman till at least this year.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: Yes, they have.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's a good point.
45:28
SPEAKER_00: That's that just shows how dominant he really was.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 75, another uh defensive.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad he made it.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: Glad he made it on the list.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: It's the big snack, Casey Hampton.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Casey Hampton played for the Steelers between 2001 and 2012.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: He made five Pro Bowls.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: He was named the Steelers' 75th anniversary all-time team.
45:49
SPEAKER_00: Just a big defensive tackle, perfect guy for that 3-4 system that they played.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: Could stop the run, could just could just take up space in the middle.
45:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, didn't look like uh didn't look like much of an athlete, but he was great.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my my favorite one, I went to a Raiders game, that would have been 2004.
46:09
SPEAKER_02: They and that was remember that they won week one against the Raiders, then lost to the to the Ravens the next week, and that's when Tommy Maddox got hurt.
46:18
SPEAKER_02: I remember they they tried to block him with like a little running back, and so the guy went low.
46:22
SPEAKER_02: And like Casey Hammond Hampton literally leapfrogged him and then ran and like tackled the it was like an I formation and ran and tackled the other running back that was trying to run to the sideline.
46:34
SPEAKER_02: He ran down a running back from the nose tackle position.
46:37
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I don't care.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'd who's the big tackle from who always gets all the love from New England, um Ted Washington or some of those guys.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: It's like I thought Casey Hanton was far superior to any of those guys that they that the media always worshipped.
46:56
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I would agree.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: And he was on three Super Bowl teams.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: So all right, number 74, a guy that was also on those three Super Bowl teams, a guy we did a whole episode about.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: His name is Heinz Ward.
47:10
SPEAKER_00: He played from the Steelers between 1998 and 2011.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: He has exactly 1,000 career receptions.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: He was the MVP of Super Bowl 40.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't again, we did a whole episode on him, Steve.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: What is there to really say about Heinz Ward that hasn't been said already?
47:26
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think he's been disrespected at 74.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, don't nobody know Hines.
47:32
SPEAKER_00: He was only 74, because he'll come out of retirement to try to prove us wrong.
47:36
SPEAKER_02: Or beat us up or something.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great, great player, just you know, always physical, always hustling, always had the smile on his face.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: Again, I there's nothing more we can say about him that's not already been said.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: Number 73 is Bob Friend, uh Pirates pitcher between 1951 and 1965.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: He was a four-time All-Star.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: He's a member of the Pirates Hall of Fame, and he did play on that 1960 World Series team, although he did not pitch particularly well in that series, unfortunately.
48:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was part of the reason they had all them blouts.
48:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: But I will say this, they would not get to that World Series to even have that opportunity because he had a great regular season, and I think he just was worn out.
48:21
SPEAKER_02: I remember he pitched a lot of innings before that, and so I think he was just worn out by the time they got to that World Series.
48:27
SPEAKER_02: So Yeah, that's fair.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: And and the and the rest of his team bowed him out.
48:32
SPEAKER_00: So we won't hold that against him.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: Again, the Pirates don't have a great history of pitching, but to have a four-time All-Star during an era where the team was pretty good, he was he was definitely responsible for, like you said, the Pirates being good in the first place.
48:46
SPEAKER_00: Number 72 is Joe Mullen.
48:48
SPEAKER_00: Played from the Penguins between 1990 and 95, came back uh a little bit later, uh, played on the 97 team.
48:57
SPEAKER_00: He is also in the hockey hall of fame.
48:59
SPEAKER_00: He was a veteran goalscorer who had won the Stanley Cup with the Calgary Flames when the Penguins picked him up.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: Is that anything like the Calgary Flames?
49:07
SPEAKER_00: Same same team.
49:08
SPEAKER_00: Fun fact.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: I I think he had played for Bob Johnson when Bob Johnson was coaching the Flames.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh so he came to Pittsburgh as kind as a veteran, kind of a veteran presence, and he scored eight goals in the 91 playoffs, and that was the year he was injured.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: He'd come back from injury and he scores eight goals in that playoff run.
49:27
SPEAKER_00: That's that's pretty significant, eight goals.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: So Joe Mullen, a guy, again, a guy you can make a very good argument that they don't win that Stanley Cup without the guy like Joey Mullen.
49:37
SPEAKER_02: Was he for a while there the all-time leading American scorer?
49:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:43
SPEAKER_02: And I'm I've met him multiple times because when I used to work at uh a Wendy's on West Liberty Avenue, he used to come through the drive-thru and order double cheese every day.
49:52
SPEAKER_02: I met I met Joey Mullen so many times, I couldn't even tell you.
49:55
SPEAKER_02: Was he a nice guy?
49:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, always very nice.
49:58
SPEAKER_02: Did you ever hit his car with a football?
50:00
SPEAKER_02: No, I just handed him his double cheese over there.
50:02
SPEAKER_02: Wished him well.
50:04
SPEAKER_02: One time, well, one guy got his autograph one time.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: I felt bad.
50:08
SPEAKER_02: I was like, don't bother the man.
50:09
SPEAKER_02: He's just trying to get to eat his lunch.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 71, another guy we've talked about on the show a couple of times, Carnell Lake, played for the Steelers, was a safety between 89 and 98, made the Pro Bowl four times, was a member of the 1990s all decade team of the NFL.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: And and one of his biggest contributions was he played cornerback the year that Rod Woodson got hurt in 1995.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: And if he doesn't do that, the Steelers do not make the Super Bowl that year.
50:40
SPEAKER_00: I can 100% say that with certainty.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh Carnell like just a super underrated all time stealer.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: Just just you don't I I don't know.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: He He just was one of those guys that was there and always made plays, always uh kind of kept the defense glued together, but never got a ton of acclaim.
50:59
SPEAKER_02: He's kind of like, yeah, that Aaron Smith or you know, Casey Hampton.
51:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think Casey Hampton was just more recognizable, but Aaron Smith could walk down the street and that actually happened.
51:11
SPEAKER_02: There was a story about Aaron Smith after the one Super Bowl in Detroit.
51:14
SPEAKER_02: He just like drove home like everybody else after the Super Bowl and like stopped at a Turnpike Plaza, and I guess one of the reporters saw him and like nobody even recognized him.
51:24
SPEAKER_02: They're like, hey, there's Aaron Smith over there.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: Like the send of people, but Carnell Lake, too, like good guy.
51:30
SPEAKER_02: Not recognized, you don't see much from him.
51:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if he's coaching somewhere or whatever.
51:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he he um he was a co assistant coach for the Steelers under Tomlin for a while, but I don't know what he's doing now.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:43
SPEAKER_00: Good for Carnegie Lake.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: All right, number 70 uh is Charles Smith.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh he played for Pitt in the late 80s.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: He was the only pit player to be a two-time first team All-American.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: He was the biggest player of the year in 1988, and he is the highest ever draft pick of the NBA for a pit player.
52:04
SPEAKER_00: He was selected third overall in the 1988 draft.
52:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh you could argue, I think you could definitely make the argument that Charles Smith might be the greatest pit player of all time.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
52:16
SPEAKER_02: I think Duan Blair, but hey, that's just me.
52:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean they they once again they didn't win anything with him in the tournament.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: Was was he uh on the team that lost to Billy Gean and the the Purdue?
52:29
SPEAKER_00: Was it Providence?
52:30
SPEAKER_00: Was it Providence or Purdue over?
52:34
SPEAKER_00: I think it was Purdue.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: I think he was on that team, yeah.
52:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they they were they had some really good teams in the late 80s.
52:41
SPEAKER_00: They they never made it real far in the tournament.
52:44
SPEAKER_02: You know who coach on that team was, one of the assistants.
52:47
SPEAKER_02: Who?
52:47
SPEAKER_02: John Calipari.
52:49
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
52:53
SPEAKER_00: So Charles Smith is number 70, number 69 is Dwight White.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: Steelers at defensive end between 1971 and 1980.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: He is in the Steelers Hall of Honor.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: He made two Pro Bowls.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: He was a member of that famed Steel Curtain defense, uh, that defensive line that that featured Joe Green and others.
53:15
SPEAKER_00: Dan Rooney called him, quote, one of the greatest players ever to wear a Steelers uniform, which is pretty high praise coming from Dan Rooney.
53:24
SPEAKER_02: All right.
53:24
SPEAKER_02: Do you know who the first player to score points in a Super Bowl was for the Steelers?
53:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, on a safety.
53:33
SPEAKER_00: It was Dwight White.
53:33
SPEAKER_00: He tapped Frank Tarkington in the end zone.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: Funny story, Stan Savron told that, knew that fact, and he went to Dwight White and asked him that question.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: And do you know what Dwight White's answer was?
53:46
SPEAKER_02: Franco Terry.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:49
SPEAKER_02: Even Dwight White.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: What a humble guy, but great player.
53:53
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, he'll get his due due props here from us.
53:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:57
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
53:58
SPEAKER_00: Another guy that wasn't as heralded as some of the other great Steeler defenders of that era, but was a great player in his own right.
54:05
SPEAKER_00: Number 68 is Arky Vaughn.
54:07
SPEAKER_00: Played for the Pirates between 1932 and 1941.
54:11
SPEAKER_00: He's in the baseball hall of fame.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: He was a shortstop.
54:13
SPEAKER_00: He was an eight-time All-Star, won the National League batting title in 1935, had over 2,000 hits, had a career 318 average, just an all-around great player, had a tragic end of his life.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: We talked about that in our uh in our tragedies episode that we did recently.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: But uh Archie Vaughn, a great player from an era where, again, uh the Pirates were not very heralded, and and just not a lot of people remember players from that era.
54:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember Archie Vaughn at all.
54:45
SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: A nineteen nineteen thirties baseball just three for a hundred Alex.
54:51
SPEAKER_02: If it wasn't Babe Ruth, it didn't down, I guess.
54:54
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
54:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's why we're giving him his due at number 68.
54:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
54:58
SPEAKER_00: Number 67 is Tom Barrasso, the only other Penguin School tender to win two Stanley Cups.
55:05
SPEAKER_00: He played for the Pens between 1988 and 2000.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: He is in the Hockey Hall of Fame.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: He holds the record for consecutive NHL playoff wins with 14.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: He won 14 straight playoff games, which is pretty impressive.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Steve, you had him ranked pretty high.
55:21
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have him on the list.
55:22
SPEAKER_00: If I'm being completely honest, it's it's a little bit of the Tyrrell Owens syndrome where Terrell Owens could have been a first ballot Hall of Famer, but he wasn't because people just didn't like him.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: Or was that Randy Moss?
55:33
SPEAKER_00: It was one of those two guys.
55:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's definitely Terrell Owens.
55:36
SPEAKER_00: It was Tyrrell Owens.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: And and, you know, that was I that was kind of garbage because it's like it doesn't matter if you don't like the player personally or if he was a jerk and treated people like crap.
55:45
SPEAKER_02: It's not like an OJ, like where you can make, well, this guy legitimately has yeah serious character issues.
55:51
SPEAKER_02: It's just like he's just a jerk.
55:53
SPEAKER_02: He's just a jerk.
55:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: And and so so I I will be the first to admit that my bias probably crept in here when I kept him off the list.
56:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh you had him high, and I'm sure um go ahead and tell us why.
56:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh, because he won two Stanley Cups and he was a really good goalie.
56:10
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I didn't like him much as a goalie.
56:13
SPEAKER_02: I thought he was bad against the breakaway, but he was good against like normal slap shots and stuff.
56:18
SPEAKER_02: But I thought like just on a breakaway for some reason, he always seemed to not do well in that situation.
56:24
SPEAKER_02: But he I think he he won a Vesna, but not with the Penguins in Buffalo.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: Right.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: He won a Vesna, so I don't think have the Penguins ever had a Vesna winning goaltender?
56:34
SPEAKER_02: They have not.
56:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they have, so I mean he's definitely a good player.
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SPEAKER_02: They win two cups with him.
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SPEAKER_02: They probably don't win two cups without him.
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SPEAKER_02: But um, I mean, you try and you know be objective as you can.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, he he was he was not very good against breakaways or Tom Fitzgerald shooting the puck from center ice in the third period of game seven.
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SPEAKER_00: Other than that, he was great.
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SPEAKER_02: They they win two cu I mean, you know, he outdulled Dominic Hosick in in Chicago, and uh the other one, Belfour, in uh in that Chicago series in '92.
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SPEAKER_02: But I mean, they probably they probably could have put the Russian team that was never lost the game, and they put the Penguins probably would have beat them too.
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SPEAKER_00: But you know if only he could have outduled Don Van Breeze for Glenn Healy, then he would have been a little fire.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, folks, we're gonna stop there for part one of our list.
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