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- 0:02Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought you by the Field Total Group,
- 0:07Speaker 1: Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL network analyst and former
- 0:11Speaker 1: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter JP Shaddick bring you
- 0:15Speaker 1: the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now and well come in.
- 0:22Speaker 3: It is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, brought to you
- 0:24Speaker 3: by Field's Auto Group Jacksonville c Fields First, Jacksonville's premier
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- 0:32Speaker 3: with John Oser. We're at the Hyundai studios in the.
- 0:35Speaker 2: Miller Electric Center.
- 0:37Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks with us out in Los Angeles in the
- 0:40Speaker 3: afterglow of the twenty twenty five NFL draft. Bucky, the
- 0:45Speaker 3: draft is done, but the work is really only just beginning.
- 0:49Speaker 2: Good afternoon. How are you?
- 0:51Speaker 4: What's going on with happening? Fellows?
- 0:53Speaker 2: You know talking ball?
- 0:55Speaker 5: Do you we get this question? Bucky?
- 0:57Speaker 2: Hey?
- 0:58Speaker 5: What do you do until next date?
- 1:00Speaker 4: March?
- 1:00Speaker 2: Now?
- 1:01Speaker 6: Oh?
- 1:02Speaker 7: Well, you know, I'm glad that you asked John, because
- 1:05Speaker 7: I'm already working on not a mock draft, but because
- 1:08Speaker 7: people have talked about how ballyho the quarterback class is
- 1:12Speaker 7: next year We're already beginning to look at arch.
- 1:15Speaker 4: Manning and company and what could be.
- 1:19Speaker 7: As we cast our eyes towards the next collection of
- 1:21Speaker 7: franchise quarterbacks.
- 1:22Speaker 2: The hit the league has arts done anything yet.
- 1:26Speaker 7: No, it's the greatest myth that we've ever seen. He's
- 1:29Speaker 7: played in two games.
- 1:33Speaker 5: I'll tell you that he was born and.
- 1:36Speaker 7: Everyone has made him to presume number one pick in
- 1:40Speaker 7: that year's draft.
- 1:42Speaker 4: He's say two like three games.
- 1:44Speaker 6: I mean, what are we doing?
- 1:47Speaker 8: And that is a major difference, by the way from
- 1:50Speaker 8: the other two Mannings who played obviously, Oh yeah, Peyton
- 1:54Speaker 8: was in what like his third game freshman year.
- 1:56Speaker 3: I was actually there, Yeah, and then really took off
- 1:58Speaker 3: a sophomore year and then.
- 2:00Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Eli played three I mean it was
- 2:02Speaker 8: it was a lot. Peyton played four years, which now
- 2:05Speaker 8: would be so way.
- 2:07Speaker 2: He came back to school for a senior year.
- 2:09Speaker 7: He's going to go, well, what the expectation is that
- 2:11Speaker 7: he won't be in twenty twenty six.
- 2:13Speaker 4: He being twenty twenty seven, Like people around the family.
- 2:16Speaker 6: Have said, like, yeah, he won't be a next year,
- 2:19Speaker 6: it'll be.
- 2:19Speaker 4: The year after.
- 2:20Speaker 7: Before he were seriously entertained entering the draft.
- 2:24Speaker 4: But that won't stop us from talking about it.
- 2:26Speaker 6: Like after after.
- 2:28Speaker 7: We squeezed all we ran everything out of the Sanders Rag,
- 2:33Speaker 7: you know, we go squeeze.
- 2:34Speaker 4: All the juice out of the Manning Little Orange.
- 2:39Speaker 3: It's ors that she never stops, never ever stops. Well,
- 2:46Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is a Jaguar and he has the most
- 2:49Speaker 3: jersey sales of any rookie. Bucky, I'm not shocked really
- 2:53Speaker 3: by that at all.
- 2:53Speaker 6: Are you.
- 2:56Speaker 4: Shocked? I'll say, poor disclosure.
- 2:58Speaker 7: I was exposed to Travis Hunter when he was in
- 3:00Speaker 7: high school and he was a YouTube sensation based on
- 3:04Speaker 7: his seven h seven feats.
- 3:06Speaker 4: I remember sitting in the den watching these seven h.
- 3:09Speaker 7: Seven games with my son, and he is doing what
- 3:13Speaker 7: he's always done. And I think he might have played
- 3:15Speaker 7: for cam Newton seen he played for some other teams,
- 3:16Speaker 7: but he was always an electric two way performer and
- 3:20Speaker 7: in building that following it was really a cult like
- 3:23Speaker 7: following in high school, he continues to grow it when
- 3:27Speaker 7: he goes to Jackson State and then the social media
- 3:30Speaker 7: machine that Coach Prime and his team and all the
- 3:33Speaker 7: people around those programs Jackson State.
- 3:36Speaker 6: And then Colorado have been. I mean, he is a.
- 3:39Speaker 7: Ready made superstar before he even steps onto the field
- 3:43Speaker 7: in Jacksonville, and that's just a generational thing.
- 3:47Speaker 4: Is different. But he is certainly a special athlete.
- 3:50Speaker 7: And he certainly cultivated a following based on all the
- 3:53Speaker 7: things he's done on and off the are.
- 3:54Speaker 8: Something I asked you, Bucky, you follow this closer than
- 3:56Speaker 8: I do, because you know, I obviously am not tied
- 3:59Speaker 8: in to the eighteen year old YouTube sensation. You know,
- 4:05Speaker 8: I'm just not.
- 4:06Speaker 5: So is this? You know, I give Travis Hunter a
- 4:10Speaker 5: lot of credit for this.
- 4:12Speaker 8: I assume that there are other high school football players.
- 4:18Speaker 5: Who draw attention on YouTube, you know.
- 4:20Speaker 8: But the fact that he is continued every step of
- 4:25Speaker 8: the way to be the star and to produce it
- 4:30Speaker 8: sort of ties in a little bit to what James
- 4:33Speaker 8: Glaistone was talking about the other day with you know,
- 4:35Speaker 8: James Glastone really likes players who up in competition and
- 4:41Speaker 8: continue to perform. It's a different sort of topic, but
- 4:45Speaker 8: it is Hunter unique in that in that a rock
- 4:49Speaker 8: star from the time he was a junior in high school. Clearly,
- 4:52Speaker 8: is this a new thing? I guess is what I'm
- 4:54Speaker 8: asking Are we going to see this? Is this what
- 4:57Speaker 8: the old man?
- 4:57Speaker 2: Is this?
- 4:58Speaker 5: What the world's coming to But that's not what I'm saying, but.
- 5:03Speaker 7: Thing so, yeah, I think we have to get more
- 5:05Speaker 7: comfortable with this thing. And it's funny because, like the
- 5:09Speaker 7: Shu Dur conversation kind of dominated everything over the draft weekend,
- 5:13Speaker 7: and I would say that some of what Shoulder dealt
- 5:17Speaker 7: with is what we all are going to have to
- 5:19Speaker 7: deal with as these guys have lived out their lives
- 5:23Speaker 7: in front of their phones and cameras and those things
- 5:26Speaker 7: like that's just kind of part of the process. And
- 5:29Speaker 7: what you're trying to find out is what's more important
- 5:32Speaker 7: to them being famous before because of how they performed,
- 5:36Speaker 7: of being famous just because they're famous. And I would
- 5:39Speaker 7: say that Travis is unique because he is famous for
- 5:43Speaker 7: the things that he does on the field, and he
- 5:46Speaker 7: is revered for the things that he's been able to
- 5:48Speaker 7: do off the.
- 5:48Speaker 6: Field, the dances, the sensation or whatever.
- 5:51Speaker 7: But I would say at his core, he is an
- 5:55Speaker 7: ultimate high end competitor who loves to excel at anything
- 5:59Speaker 7: that he does. And there's not look, I can't think
- 6:03Speaker 7: of something that you won't jump in to compete in,
- 6:06Speaker 7: and I think you always want those kinds of competitors.
- 6:09Speaker 4: On your team.
- 6:10Speaker 7: And the more the merry when it comes to building
- 6:12Speaker 7: your championship caliber team.
- 6:14Speaker 5: It's fascinating.
- 6:15Speaker 6: JP.
- 6:15Speaker 5: I mean, I'm older than you are, obviously, but this
- 6:21Speaker 5: is a case.
- 6:22Speaker 8: I always try to make sure that I'm not completely
- 6:26Speaker 8: you know, ignorant to what's going on with young players
- 6:30Speaker 8: because I cover them when we talk to him about
- 6:32Speaker 8: that sort of thing. This is gonna be fascinating because
- 6:35Speaker 8: this is really an elite level athlete who you know,
- 6:39Speaker 8: the seven on seventh thing. Seven on seven didn't even
- 6:42Speaker 8: exist when I was covering high school football.
- 6:44Speaker 5: And clearly it's it's a huge thing.
- 6:46Speaker 8: But I mean, I think even older fans watching it
- 6:49Speaker 8: are going to need to get used to the idea of, hey, hey,
- 6:51Speaker 8: you know, just because the kids of social media sensation
- 6:57Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily mean that there's not substance there on the field, right.
- 7:01Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, it's gonna be a really cool
- 7:05Speaker 8: story to watch. And I think when Gladstone I keep
- 7:08Speaker 8: on talking, I keep on thinking of a draft weekend. Uh.
- 7:13Speaker 8: When Gladstone talks so much about transforming the sport and
- 7:17Speaker 8: transcending and what that's going to look like, and it's
- 7:21Speaker 8: hard for somebody my age to think well, he's going
- 7:24Speaker 8: to change a sport, and you know, the old man
- 7:25Speaker 8: in me says, I've seen missing I'm not gonna you know,
- 7:28Speaker 8: but the sport's transforming and it you know, maybe this
- 7:35Speaker 8: is the first wave of what we're going to see
- 7:37Speaker 8: and it's not a bad thing, but we're gonna see
- 7:40Speaker 8: it play out in Jacksonville and how it affects the
- 7:43Speaker 8: league and whether he can do it and whether this
- 7:45Speaker 8: is what it's really going to look like.
- 7:47Speaker 5: Uh, it could be a sea change moment.
- 7:51Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a sea change moment.
- 7:53Speaker 7: And I think there's so many different touch points where
- 7:55Speaker 7: he is going to be a major factor. I believe
- 7:58Speaker 7: we're talking about locally, Travis Hunter is going to overshadow
- 8:03Speaker 7: Trevor Lawrence in terms of star power, in terms of
- 8:06Speaker 7: who is really the face of the franchise. And that's
- 8:09Speaker 7: not being disrespectful to Trevor, but that's just what it's
- 8:12Speaker 7: going to be. Because he's so electric and magnetic and charismatic.
- 8:17Speaker 7: Because we heard him at the presser, all those kids
- 8:21Speaker 7: locally are going to love and want to be the
- 8:24Speaker 7: next Travis Hunter that is.
- 8:26Speaker 4: Going to create a thing in the.
- 8:29Speaker 7: North Florida everyone plays two ways in high school, but
- 8:33Speaker 7: now you're going to see more kids sign up to
- 8:36Speaker 7: do the Travis Hunter type thing because they're going to
- 8:39Speaker 7: see him every week. It's also going to create a
- 8:42Speaker 7: thing at the high school and collegiate level across the country.
- 8:47Speaker 7: If Travis Hunter has success as a two way player
- 8:49Speaker 7: as a pro, other people don't want to copy the model.
- 8:53Speaker 4: They're gonna be people that want.
- 8:54Speaker 7: To sign up and play both ways in college, and
- 8:57Speaker 7: that's going to create more two way players at the
- 9:01Speaker 7: NFL level. And much like we had to get used
- 9:04Speaker 7: to the quarterback running the football and quarterback design runs
- 9:07Speaker 7: and RPOs and all that stuff trickling up from high
- 9:11Speaker 7: school to college to the pros, you're going to get
- 9:13Speaker 7: an influx of these two way athletes that begin to
- 9:16Speaker 7: make their way in the league who asked to perform
- 9:20Speaker 7: on both sides of the ball. And you're also gonna
- 9:22Speaker 7: find more coaches that are willing to let their players
- 9:24Speaker 7: do it because you're gonna have more trained two way
- 9:27Speaker 7: performers at the collegiate level show up.
- 9:29Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my question for you, next, Bucky, is you
- 9:32Speaker 3: know how many places could Travis Hunter realistically have played
- 9:37Speaker 3: two ways?
- 9:37Speaker 2: Or been allowed to.
- 9:39Speaker 3: And the answer might be two Jackson State and Colorado
- 9:43Speaker 3: with Dion he he was the one that really kind
- 9:45Speaker 3: of pushed that and made sure that that's the focus
- 9:49Speaker 3: for Travis Hunter. Now moving ahead, I mean, if you're
- 9:52Speaker 3: in college last you're gonna have to adapt to this, right.
- 9:55Speaker 3: How do you adapt if you've been a college coach
- 9:57Speaker 3: for so long and you now you've got to change
- 10:00Speaker 3: your stripes a little bit?
- 10:02Speaker 4: I guess so.
- 10:02Speaker 7: But it's so crazy because coaching in high school, like man,
- 10:05Speaker 7: you just want your best players to have the biggest.
- 10:08Speaker 6: Impact on the game. And if you can get.
- 10:10Speaker 7: Your best player and he has enough conditioning and uh
- 10:13Speaker 7: skills to play on both sides, why wouldn't you tap
- 10:16Speaker 7: in to that? So to me, I don't think is
- 10:19Speaker 7: as hard like and I think John we've talked about
- 10:22Speaker 7: this off air, like a lot of times, coaches make
- 10:24Speaker 7: it harder.
- 10:24Speaker 6: Than what it is.
- 10:25Speaker 7: Like if you have someone that's really talented, it's not
- 10:27Speaker 7: hard for you jp to go out there.
- 10:29Speaker 4: If you're coaching the jack Winn be like Man, Travis,
- 10:32Speaker 4: something's really talented.
- 10:33Speaker 6: Uh.
- 10:34Speaker 7: He making a bunch of interceptions and catching a bunch
- 10:36Speaker 7: of passes to find a way. He could probably find
- 10:39Speaker 7: a way in the game and play him. I think
- 10:43Speaker 7: what you'll see is that, uh, the reason why I
- 10:45Speaker 7: worked Jackson State Colorado is because you had the ultimate.
- 10:48Speaker 4: Two way player in Dion.
- 10:50Speaker 7: Because Coach Prime did it in Dallas and did it
- 10:53Speaker 7: successfully for a full season playing both ways, he knows that.
- 10:57Speaker 6: It can be done.
- 10:58Speaker 4: And once you've done.
- 10:59Speaker 6: It, you know that others can do it, and you
- 11:00Speaker 6: kind of have a game plan.
- 11:02Speaker 7: Now that Travis Hunter has been the number one, the
- 11:05Speaker 7: second overall pick as a two way player, and the
- 11:07Speaker 7: Jackson and Jaguars are openly talking about him playing both ways,
- 11:11Speaker 7: you know it's a copycat league. You can see more
- 11:13Speaker 7: guys express the sentiment to do it. I actually think
- 11:17Speaker 7: it's a good thing though, because when the Patriots did
- 11:21Speaker 7: it with Troy Brown, it's different doing like a slot
- 11:24Speaker 7: receiver and a backup. This is an opportunity for a
- 11:28Speaker 7: star player to really do it on both sides. That
- 11:31Speaker 7: is going to create more conversations at the lower ranks
- 11:34Speaker 7: that ooh, I want to do that. I want to
- 11:36Speaker 7: play both ways. I want to do some different stuff.
- 11:38Speaker 4: But we've had it before.
- 11:38Speaker 7: We could have done it with Miles Jack back in
- 11:40Speaker 7: the day because Miles Jack did it.
- 11:43Speaker 4: But we.
- 11:44Speaker 7: At a time where people fully embraced that. But Miles
- 11:47Speaker 7: Jack was a two way performer. So it's not like
- 11:50Speaker 7: it hasn't been done before. We just haven't seen it
- 11:53Speaker 7: done full time at the pro level.
- 11:56Speaker 8: Yeah, and uh, the other side of it, and this
- 12:01Speaker 8: is not cynical John talk, and this is just remembering
- 12:04Speaker 8: something that Bucky may remember. I'm sure he followed this player.
- 12:09Speaker 8: I remember in the eighties when I really started trying
- 12:12Speaker 8: to learn football, the big thing was, hey, LT's changing
- 12:17Speaker 8: the sport, right, LT's changing the sport, and you're going
- 12:21Speaker 8: to see a million LT's. I remember pars I think
- 12:24Speaker 8: it was Parcels said about fifteen years later, what we
- 12:27Speaker 8: realized is he wasn't changing the sport.
- 12:29Speaker 5: He was LT, and a million kids came along trying
- 12:33Speaker 5: to be LT.
- 12:34Speaker 8: And they finally went, Okay, well that was LT and
- 12:38Speaker 8: there's not going to be another one. So you do
- 12:41Speaker 8: sort of wonder is Travis Hunter an outlier? I kind
- 12:45Speaker 8: of doubt it. I kind of think it plays more
- 12:46Speaker 8: into what Bucky's talking about that you know, for years, frankly,
- 12:52Speaker 8: you know, nobody thought Lamar Jackson Jalen Hurts could make
- 12:58Speaker 8: it because they just didn't try that style. So my
- 13:03Speaker 8: guess is this is much more like what Bucky was
- 13:06Speaker 8: talking about earlier, where it's gonna open eyes and they're
- 13:08Speaker 8: gonna say, oh, why haven't we been doing this before?
- 13:12Speaker 2: So what's the what's the appetite?
- 13:13Speaker 3: I guess Bucky real quick for an average player on
- 13:17Speaker 3: both sides of the ball to play two ways, like
- 13:19Speaker 3: Travis Hunter could be a star on both sides of
- 13:21Speaker 3: the ball. But if you're an average player, why don't
- 13:24Speaker 3: you just pick a side?
- 13:26Speaker 7: Well, yeah, if you're average player, that's where you have
- 13:27Speaker 7: to have self awareness or you have to have a
- 13:29Speaker 7: Kirk that can be honest with me and and and
- 13:33Speaker 7: tell you, hey, man, yeah that's not gonna be your lane.
- 13:37Speaker 6: You're gonna have to play this or that.
- 13:39Speaker 7: I was gonna say, like coming on the heels of
- 13:41Speaker 7: John Stein, how many defensive number elevens have we, all
- 13:45Speaker 7: of a sudden seen in the collegiate game, right, Like,
- 13:48Speaker 7: all of a sudden, number eleven has become a very
- 13:51Speaker 7: powerful thing, Like LeVar Arrington wore eleven and it was
- 13:54Speaker 7: not a thing after that. Michael Parsons, every kid known
- 13:59Speaker 7: de mand is now trying to wear eleven.
- 14:02Speaker 6: Like. I can't tell you how.
- 14:03Speaker 7: Many guys in this draft class alone ward number eleven
- 14:08Speaker 7: and talked.
- 14:08Speaker 6: About being the hybrid.
- 14:10Speaker 7: Oh, I'm a hybrid. I'm an off ball linebacker. I'm
- 14:13Speaker 7: a pass rusher.
- 14:14Speaker 6: I'm this.
- 14:15Speaker 7: We now are openly talking about hybrid linebackers in those things.
- 14:20Speaker 7: And so the league is funny because it is very
- 14:23Speaker 7: copycat in nature. And if Travis Hunter has a lot
- 14:27Speaker 7: of success, I can guarantee you canna.
- 14:29Speaker 6: Have guys knocking on the door a coach.
- 14:31Speaker 7: I mean, I think that you know, you know, I
- 14:33Speaker 7: used to play such and such a high school.
- 14:35Speaker 4: I used to You'll get more of it. So I'm
- 14:38Speaker 4: excited to see it.
- 14:39Speaker 7: Because I've always believed that it could be done. But
- 14:42Speaker 7: I think it has to be done in a very
- 14:43Speaker 7: smart way. I don't think when we're talking about being
- 14:46Speaker 7: a two way player, we're talking about he's gonna log
- 14:49Speaker 7: every defensive snap in every offensive snap.
- 14:52Speaker 4: I think what we're talking about doing is, hey man,
- 14:55Speaker 4: you're a.
- 14:55Speaker 7: Star on the offense, but we certainly can find situations
- 14:59Speaker 7: to play on defense where your skills can be maximized
- 15:04Speaker 7: to help the team.
- 15:06Speaker 8: I would think there's gonna be some conversation online. I'm
- 15:09Speaker 8: trying to imagine had I gone in when I was
- 15:11Speaker 8: in high school and many Hey, uh, I think Coach Howard,
- 15:16Speaker 8: my basketball coach, was hey, make the team first, big guy. Yeah,
- 15:21Speaker 8: let's make sure that your name's on that list that
- 15:24Speaker 8: I'm gonna put on my door on December first.
- 15:26Speaker 3: And when it comes to college, I can imagine some
- 15:29Speaker 3: some five star wide receiver in Alabama going up to
- 15:32Speaker 3: Nick Saban's doormula. Hey, coach, you mind if I take
- 15:35Speaker 3: some defensive snaps? Okay, well, which five star defensive back
- 15:39Speaker 3: are you gonna take off the field?
- 15:41Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's gonna
- 15:43Speaker 7: be there's definitely gonna.
- 15:44Speaker 6: Gonna be some of that.
- 15:46Speaker 7: But I mean there was talk about, like Caleb Downs
- 15:50Speaker 7: had talked early in his.
- 15:51Speaker 6: Career at Alabama how he wanted to play on.
- 15:53Speaker 7: Both soz the ball and they kind of mixed it
- 15:54Speaker 7: or whatever. But you go see more guys as part
- 15:57Speaker 7: of their college recruitment, maybe.
- 16:00Speaker 6: He can I be a four time player at one
- 16:02Speaker 6: and the other.
- 16:03Speaker 8: I think that's where it'll really turn into Bucky is
- 16:06Speaker 8: like human nature is they're gonna want to do it,
- 16:09Speaker 8: and you know far more about the NAA and I
- 16:12Speaker 8: all landscape, both of you guys do. But there's clearly
- 16:16Speaker 8: going to be coaches who say, if I want to
- 16:18Speaker 8: get this kid, I've got to do what he wants
- 16:21Speaker 8: to me.
- 16:21Speaker 5: I mean, I've got to let him do what he
- 16:22Speaker 5: wants to do. So yeah, so that's.
- 16:27Speaker 8: Probably where you'll see the players sort of take over
- 16:30Speaker 8: the game for a stretch on that front, and then
- 16:34Speaker 8: I assume it will be a case of how long
- 16:37Speaker 8: it lasts or how much it happens is how much
- 16:39Speaker 8: it works, right, I mean, like if it works, it'll
- 16:43Speaker 8: change the game.
- 16:45Speaker 4: I mean, look, we didn't take him, but j.
- 16:50Speaker 7: Yeah, I call I called him the fact that he's
- 16:52Speaker 7: a defensive tackle who is their wildcat quarterback.
- 16:55Speaker 4: Like can you imagine if at any.
- 16:58Speaker 7: Point you let Tony Brackens play quarterback and run it
- 17:02Speaker 7: in and also go sack the passes?
- 17:03Speaker 4: Like what that would have created in the locker room?
- 17:06Speaker 4: Like they're they're dudes who do that, and we we
- 17:09Speaker 4: see it, we see it in different ways.
- 17:11Speaker 7: But shoot, the coach for the New England Patriots, Mike Rabol,
- 17:14Speaker 7: has like eleven or twelve touchdowns pat receptions.
- 17:17Speaker 4: You know, being a tight end in short yard.
- 17:19Speaker 6: It can be done.
- 17:20Speaker 7: We just have never seen anyone fully bacon and fully
- 17:23Speaker 7: do it the way that we expect.
- 17:25Speaker 4: The jaguarsn't do it. For travel Center, I forget.
- 17:27Speaker 2: That's a good one because he was and then a
- 17:31Speaker 2: defensive end. Good feet too. Man, the guy can run.
- 17:33Speaker 2: It's amazing. He's like three hundred and thirty pounds, John.
- 17:37Speaker 4: Thirty pounds rented quarterback, quarterback.
- 17:41Speaker 2: But you would have played.
- 17:46Speaker 6: Find a way.
- 17:47Speaker 2: Way, find away, Man, find away.
- 17:50Speaker 3: Hey, the draft may be over, but John, you know this.
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- 18:08Speaker 2: Today.
- 18:09Speaker 3: It's huddle up with Bucky Brooks, JP, Shadwick, John Oser,
- 18:11Speaker 3: and Jacksonville Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles.
- 18:16Speaker 2: All right, let's move along to some of the other guys.
- 18:18Speaker 2: There are some other draft.
- 18:20Speaker 3: Picks on this team this year, eight other ones. Bucky,
- 18:25Speaker 3: who are you the most excited about Of the other
- 18:28Speaker 3: draft picks? There's of course, ran saw Mileum the third round,
- 18:31Speaker 3: tooting the running back, KUIs of the linebacker and the
- 18:34Speaker 3: fourth McLoud linebacker and laying the safety in the sixth,
- 18:38Speaker 3: Mannheim and Allen the seventh round picks which which guy
- 18:42Speaker 3: do you think will make the quickest impact to this
- 18:45Speaker 3: Jaguars team?
- 18:49Speaker 7: Quick as I'm back, I would say that I am
- 18:52Speaker 7: really intrigued by the running back two. And the reason
- 18:56Speaker 7: why I'm intrigued by him is he put down the
- 18:59Speaker 7: fastest sound, and that speed is real, and the explosiveness
- 19:03Speaker 7: that you see from him at Virginia Tech.
- 19:05Speaker 4: Shows up on tape.
- 19:07Speaker 7: And even though we talked about a running back room
- 19:09Speaker 7: being pretty loaded, like we're really excited last year with
- 19:12Speaker 7: Travis at ten and tant Biggs being those things, but
- 19:14Speaker 7: this guy has a different level of juice And just
- 19:18Speaker 7: thinking about because so much of what we're anticipating is
- 19:22Speaker 7: either what we saw offensively from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
- 19:25Speaker 7: or what we saw from the Rams. I just know
- 19:27Speaker 7: in utilizing the running game and being able to kind
- 19:30Speaker 7: of have different running backs with different superpowers, how it
- 19:34Speaker 7: can can change the way that the defense has to defend.
- 19:37Speaker 7: And with Travis Hunter on one side, Brian Thomas Junior
- 19:40Speaker 7: on the other side, Bread the strange in the middle.
- 19:42Speaker 7: I just can envision a speedback coming in and having
- 19:46Speaker 7: plenty of room to navigate and run. And that's not
- 19:49Speaker 7: a knock to Travis at tenn who's shown he can
- 19:51Speaker 7: be a big play running back at times, but to the.
- 19:54Speaker 6: Speed is at another level.
- 19:55Speaker 7: And so when we talk about explosive plays and scoring points,
- 20:00Speaker 7: the best way to score points is deliver it explosive
- 20:02Speaker 7: plays and I just want to have as many explosive
- 20:04Speaker 7: playmakers on the field as possible.
- 20:07Speaker 4: He could be a guy.
- 20:08Speaker 7: Very early in the season that becomes one of our
- 20:10Speaker 7: more explosive playmakers.
- 20:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 20:12Speaker 8: I think Liam Cohen laid it out as clearly as
- 20:17Speaker 8: you can in a post draft presser, not really trying
- 20:21Speaker 8: to give away the game plan, but saying, look, he
- 20:24Speaker 8: believes they're much more. I'm I'm forgetting the word he used,
- 20:31Speaker 8: explosive was not quick strike. And from looking at this
- 20:37Speaker 8: and talking to people, I think they believe that they
- 20:39Speaker 8: have four.
- 20:42Speaker 5: If they have.
- 20:44Speaker 8: Hunter, Yia, a Brown, BTJ and Tooton on the field,
- 20:51Speaker 8: I believe they believe that they've got guys who can
- 20:55Speaker 8: score from ninety on any play. Now that's a little extreme,
- 20:59Speaker 8: but that you know. And I also think if you
- 21:02Speaker 8: think about how the offense is going to look, Tank
- 21:06Speaker 8: had some breakaway runs last year, and so if Travis
- 21:11Speaker 8: has been anything, he's been sort of a one two
- 21:14Speaker 8: fifteen guy, meaning he'll have a couple of short runs
- 21:17Speaker 8: and he can pop it. I agree with Bucky. I
- 21:19Speaker 8: think Tooton is going to be a major factor in
- 21:21Speaker 8: this offense. I wouldn't be surprised if he's you know,
- 21:24Speaker 8: I don't know how they're going to name him, but
- 21:26Speaker 8: if he looks like RB one at some point, that
- 21:29Speaker 8: wouldn't surprise me. I'm kind of using Bucky language.
- 21:32Speaker 5: He likes to say RB one.
- 21:34Speaker 7: Yeah, you got to categorize, and we've got to know
- 21:38Speaker 7: where there's paying the number.
- 21:39Speaker 4: The number matters.
- 21:40Speaker 8: But I think they think they're a lot fash all
- 21:42Speaker 8: the more explosive and exactly what you're talking about if
- 21:45Speaker 8: you think about an offense. Bucky and I talked yesterday
- 21:49Speaker 8: a little bit about Travis Hunter. Not necessarily a polished receiver, Bucky,
- 21:53Speaker 8: but polish or not, if you're a defensive coordinator. In
- 21:58Speaker 8: your last meeting with the team before the game, you're saying, hey,
- 22:03Speaker 8: don't get beat by that.
- 22:05Speaker 5: Btj's the same. What you know, you have to pay attention.
- 22:08Speaker 8: To both of those guys. I think you have to
- 22:10Speaker 8: pay attention to Yammy Brown's speed. And if you're paying
- 22:13Speaker 8: attention to that, what can Hunter do. So this is
- 22:18Speaker 8: the way a lot offenses have been going. Teams have
- 22:21Speaker 8: tried to get there. They all teams sort of try
- 22:23Speaker 8: to get there. It feels like the Jaguars are there.
- 22:26Speaker 7: Bucky, Yeah, I feel like they're And I want to
- 22:29Speaker 7: go all the way back to kind of like the
- 22:31Speaker 7: origin of the Rams and those guys, because those guys
- 22:33Speaker 7: were there at the beginning.
- 22:35Speaker 6: And I remember when whatever night it was, it.
- 22:38Speaker 4: Was Jerry Golf and the Rams taking on the Kansaity Chiefs.
- 22:41Speaker 7: It might have been in Mexico or supposed to be
- 22:42Speaker 7: a Mexico game, and people talked about that tonight that
- 22:45Speaker 7: the NFL changed. It was like a high scoring game
- 22:47Speaker 7: in those things.
- 22:48Speaker 6: And I remember looking on the field and.
- 22:50Speaker 7: They had Brandon Cooks and Robert Woods and Cooper Cup
- 22:54Speaker 7: and TDD Gurley and they're ripping and running up and
- 22:57Speaker 7: down the field because those three wide receivers could get
- 22:59Speaker 7: after make a score from anywhere, and then you had
- 23:01Speaker 7: a running back that can make it happen from anywhere,
- 23:03Speaker 7: and you basically just had a quarterback who simply needed
- 23:06Speaker 7: to be a point guard. Get the ball to the
- 23:08Speaker 7: open guy, and get out the way. And in my mind,
- 23:11Speaker 7: I feel like the Jags are trying to create an
- 23:13Speaker 7: offense where Trevor just can be a point guard. He
- 23:16Speaker 7: doesn't have to be a playmaker, he doesn't have to
- 23:18Speaker 7: get outside of himself.
- 23:20Speaker 6: Just get the ball to the open man.
- 23:22Speaker 7: Let them do all the work, and that two or
- 23:24Speaker 7: three yard pass to the flat becomes an eight R
- 23:27Speaker 7: game and guess what, you get all the credit for
- 23:28Speaker 7: an eighty R pass. If they can create that kind
- 23:31Speaker 7: of offense with those kinds of explosive players on the perimeter,
- 23:35Speaker 7: that's when it becomes fun for us to watch. It's
- 23:37Speaker 7: a very very difficult for the defense to defend.
- 23:40Speaker 3: Got a couple offensive linemen in the draft as well.
- 23:42Speaker 3: Wyatt Milam will play guard. He's from West Virginia, the
- 23:46Speaker 3: Big twelve offensive lineman of the Year a season ago.
- 23:49Speaker 3: And then Jonah Mannheim played a couple of tackle spots
- 23:53Speaker 3: in his earlier years at USC, but then last year,
- 23:56Speaker 3: moved into center and he'll be a center for the
- 23:58Speaker 3: Jaguars seventh round backup type.
- 24:00Speaker 2: But depth on.
- 24:02Speaker 3: The offensive line, it was a theme all off season.
- 24:05Speaker 3: They added what for in free agency and now two
- 24:09Speaker 3: more in the draft, Bucky, and you know, hell, they
- 24:12Speaker 3: may not be done even now from from here to
- 24:15Speaker 3: the rest of this offseason or something pops up.
- 24:18Speaker 4: Look, man, the one thing that we all know is
- 24:19Speaker 4: whenever you.
- 24:20Speaker 7: Have changed or reach gyme change where you change the
- 24:23Speaker 7: front office, you change the coaching staff. It creates a
- 24:26Speaker 7: little tension and a little discomfort for everyone in the
- 24:31Speaker 7: locker room because no one knows who's their guy or whatever.
- 24:34Speaker 7: And whenever you do that, if it goes away that
- 24:37Speaker 7: you want, it really raises the level of competitiveness amongst
- 24:41Speaker 7: the root. So when you draft two or three offensive linemen,
- 24:45Speaker 7: no matter what they may say on the outside, everyone
- 24:48Speaker 7: that is an income it is like, hey, whoa, whoa,
- 24:50Speaker 7: Why were you dropping all these people?
- 24:52Speaker 4: I thought, I thought, I'm good.
- 24:53Speaker 6: Why are we bringing a guarden?
- 24:55Speaker 4: Why are bringing these tackles in? Like? What does this mean?
- 24:58Speaker 6: And win?
- 25:00Speaker 7: And you just treat everybody like they're nameless, faceless people.
- 25:05Speaker 7: You just say, hey, best players play well. Now you
- 25:08Speaker 7: make people have to earn their opportunities or whatever. To me,
- 25:11Speaker 7: that makes the team better and it should be like that.
- 25:14Speaker 7: I know we're comfortable with training camp being one where it's.
- 25:17Speaker 4: Only two or three positions on the line.
- 25:19Speaker 7: To me, training camp is much better when everyone is
- 25:23Speaker 7: kind of uncomfortable and not knowing if their roster spot
- 25:26Speaker 7: is locked or not.
- 25:27Speaker 8: Yeah, JPM, IM sure you know. I'm sure you know
- 25:31Speaker 8: where I'm going with this. Often training camp is you know,
- 25:36Speaker 8: training camp. Competition is training camp, training camp competition and
- 25:40Speaker 8: name only and I get I get ozone emails they
- 25:44Speaker 8: talk about competition and there's not really going to be
- 25:46Speaker 8: any competition.
- 25:48Speaker 5: I there's competition this year, and it's real.
- 25:52Speaker 8: And if anybody thinks they know who's starting on the
- 25:55Speaker 8: offensive line, I would say, you're probably wrong. I would
- 26:00Speaker 8: assume the two new guys, meaning McCary and Hainsey, because
- 26:04Speaker 8: they were sort of, you know, targeted for those spots.
- 26:07Speaker 8: But the incumbents, I mean, Wyatt Milam can play. I mean,
- 26:13Speaker 8: they want a lot of these rookies to earn jobs.
- 26:17Speaker 8: They're gonna have to earn them. But there's no preconceived
- 26:20Speaker 8: notion that Walker, Little Ezra Cleveland, Anton Harrison.
- 26:25Speaker 5: They like those guys.
- 26:27Speaker 8: They want those guys to start because it means they're
- 26:30Speaker 8: playing at a high level.
- 26:32Speaker 5: But they also want Milam to start.
- 26:34Speaker 8: You know, Sue, You know I'm getting at there's no
- 26:36Speaker 8: preconceived notion, But there's also no preconceived notion that they're
- 26:39Speaker 8: going to start, and that lingers all around the roster.
- 26:42Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised to see Ransas start.
- 26:44Speaker 5: I wouldn't.
- 26:45Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised to see Tooting in there quick
- 26:47Speaker 8: because if you saw anything Bucky from the Rams last year.
- 26:51Speaker 5: I think we talked about this yesterday.
- 26:55Speaker 8: There's no qualm about playing load drafted rookies very very early,
- 27:03Speaker 8: and there's no oh, we can't do this because of X.
- 27:08Speaker 8: There won't be a like when they're sitting around in
- 27:10Speaker 8: a meeting room on September second trying to figure it out.
- 27:14Speaker 8: There's not going to be the naysayer in the corner saying, hey,
- 27:17Speaker 8: remember we can't do this because of this. It's hey,
- 27:20Speaker 8: did he win the job yet?
- 27:22Speaker 5: Well, let's roll.
- 27:24Speaker 7: And what I love about this because what you're saying
- 27:27Speaker 7: is whatever people are paid doesn't matter. Best players play,
- 27:33Speaker 7: and when you create a real meritocracy within the locker
- 27:36Speaker 7: room where guys legitimately know that if I outwork and
- 27:41Speaker 7: outperform the people that are playing beside me, I'm gonna
- 27:45Speaker 7: have an opportunity being a starting lineup. That really changes
- 27:48Speaker 7: the tenor training camp and it becomes very competitive. It
- 27:52Speaker 7: becomes very tense because everyone is having to go for
- 27:55Speaker 7: it as opposed to a cushy training camp where the
- 27:59Speaker 7: starters know the a no one behind me is really
- 28:01Speaker 7: competing for my job.
- 28:03Speaker 4: The Rams have been very.
- 28:04Speaker 7: Successful with the low round picks and those things because
- 28:07Speaker 7: the front office brings those guys in and they encourage
- 28:10Speaker 7: their coaches no no, no, play the best players. And
- 28:13Speaker 7: we have to be very comfortable playing.
- 28:16Speaker 6: The low round picks, the.
- 28:17Speaker 7: Undrafted free agents, those guys who may not have the
- 28:20Speaker 7: pedigree coming in, but they earn it on the field
- 28:24Speaker 7: when they get their opportunity.
- 28:25Speaker 8: It's gonna be an interesting season JP, no doubt about it,
- 28:28Speaker 8: no doubt.
- 28:29Speaker 2: And it's gonna be an interesting season at Dailies Place
- 28:31Speaker 2: as well.
- 28:32Speaker 5: See as professional coming up in May.
- 28:36Speaker 2: Teddy Swims low tickets, very.
- 28:39Speaker 3: Few available Teddy Swims, John Wow, So you better act fast.
- 28:42Speaker 2: I will Kodak black is in for t paying. That's
- 28:46Speaker 2: May thirty.
- 28:46Speaker 3: First sticks Kevin Cronin, Don Felder, June second, Old Dominion
- 28:51Speaker 3: Low tickets for that showed June sixth, Head of dailiesplace
- 28:54Speaker 3: dot com for tickets and show information.
- 28:58Speaker 5: Sticks Kevin Cronin Don Felders about.
- 29:00Speaker 2: My speed I could say, so, yes, you can.
- 29:04Speaker 8: Tune a piano, but you can't tune a fish.
- 29:08Speaker 5: Wow are your speed Wagon album?
- 29:11Speaker 4: You know?
- 29:11Speaker 5: Is that?
- 29:12Speaker 2: Does he.
- 29:15Speaker 5: Are your speed Wagon's best album?
- 29:18Speaker 4: Watch American band saying JP, I know what's up?
- 29:22Speaker 2: Okay, come on, come.
- 29:23Speaker 7: On, Like I grew up in that era American bandstanding
- 29:26Speaker 7: soul trained.
- 29:27Speaker 4: I can live.
- 29:27Speaker 7: I'm a chameleon. I can live in all kinds of worlds.
- 29:30Speaker 3: What was uh, Don Cornelius was the soul Train train?
- 29:36Speaker 4: You know? So I can I can? I can do
- 29:37Speaker 4: that Saturday morning, you know I can do.
- 29:40Speaker 8: That people in jackson and I'm talking about I used
- 29:42Speaker 8: to watch soul Train followed by professional wrestling from Jacksonville.
- 29:47Speaker 4: Gordon, So I was about to say.
- 29:49Speaker 5: That was about Saturday's baby Saturdays in the South coming up.
- 29:56Speaker 4: Oh, look at a little Dusty Rose and a little
- 29:58Speaker 4: Rick player.
- 29:59Speaker 5: The American dream to her Wow.
- 30:03Speaker 2: One final thought.
- 30:05Speaker 3: Reports today that the Jaguars will not take the fifth
- 30:07Speaker 3: year option on Devin Lloyd, former first round pick. So
- 30:12Speaker 3: obviously some some big, a big season coming up for
- 30:16Speaker 3: Devon to prove some things.
- 30:18Speaker 2: And the last opportunity has got John Yeah, and.
- 30:21Speaker 8: A team not taking the fourth year option on a guy,
- 30:25Speaker 8: I'm sorry. Fifth year doesn't have to be the end
- 30:28Speaker 8: of the guy's career. He's going to get a chance.
- 30:31Speaker 5: I expect him.
- 30:31Speaker 8: To compete with McLeod for what they're going to call
- 30:35Speaker 8: the buck linebacker. I mean, it's it's a little different
- 30:38Speaker 8: than the buck that McLeod played at Auburn, but it's
- 30:41Speaker 8: the same sort of concept.
- 30:44Speaker 5: Devin Lloyd's got talent.
- 30:46Speaker 8: If I was the new regime coming in, I would
- 30:50Speaker 8: have a tough time exercising a fifth year option on
- 30:52Speaker 8: him based on what we've.
- 30:53Speaker 2: Seen, especially for thirteen million dollars.
- 30:55Speaker 8: But I wouldn't have a tough time after eight weeks
- 30:58Speaker 8: if he's playing in super high level saying hey, Devin,
- 31:04Speaker 8: let's talk about your five and six. I mean, I
- 31:06Speaker 8: would think Devin Lloyd and I don't think that's a
- 31:09Speaker 8: surprise and I don't think that's an acrimonious move.
- 31:12Speaker 5: I think it's just you know what we've seen.
- 31:16Speaker 7: So when Pete Carroll Pursed took over the Seattle Seahawks,
- 31:19Speaker 7: they had a thing right out front of.
- 31:21Speaker 4: The tunnel when they're about to run out in.
- 31:23Speaker 6: The stadium and say, earn everything.
- 31:25Speaker 7: I think everyone that is on the team, if they
- 31:28Speaker 7: would just adopt that mindset, earn everything, nothing's gonna be
- 31:31Speaker 7: given or whatever, it'll not only take the pressure off
- 31:34Speaker 7: of what's gonna happen next, but if you just go
- 31:35Speaker 7: about I'm gonna focus on earning everything, then I don't
- 31:39Speaker 7: have to worry about it.
- 31:40Speaker 4: So my advice to Devin.
- 31:42Speaker 7: Llawyder Man go and earn the extension of whatever it
- 31:44Speaker 7: is that you want.
- 31:45Speaker 4: Start with the.
- 31:46Speaker 7: Starting job, start with earning accolades, and then start with
- 31:49Speaker 7: earning the contract. If he focuses on that, it'll work
- 31:52Speaker 7: out and the team will be better. So, look, it
- 31:55Speaker 7: is what it is. I believe that the team is
- 31:58Speaker 7: always better when there's a little uneasiness about who's going
- 32:03Speaker 7: to be here and what's going to do it. When
- 32:04Speaker 7: you make it country club like, everyone gets complacent and
- 32:09Speaker 7: then we start falling back a little competitive tension is good.
- 32:14Speaker 7: So I'm excited about it.
- 32:15Speaker 5: Thank You're gonna have it.
- 32:16Speaker 2: Yep. Phase two is here.
- 32:17Speaker 3: That's through May fifteenth, and then coming soon Phase three
- 32:21Speaker 3: OTAs John's favorite part of the off season. Yes, rookie
- 32:25Speaker 3: Mini camp Thursday maya through Saturday May tenth. Could be
- 32:28Speaker 3: some surprises around that coming out fairly soon. So stay
- 32:32Speaker 3: tuned to all the Jaguars channels for that. So busy times, Bucky,
- 32:37Speaker 3: appreciate your time as always.
- 32:39Speaker 2: Pleasure to catch up with you. And what's your sweatshirt?
- 32:42Speaker 6: Is that?
- 32:44Speaker 4: This is the high school.
- 32:45Speaker 6: I had to come from a morning workouts into the office.
- 32:47Speaker 4: So this is Grenada Hills Charter. That's this football up
- 32:51Speaker 4: under it. And then and then we had we had
- 32:54Speaker 4: a couple of workouts.
- 32:55Speaker 6: I had to I had to lay down a law
- 32:57Speaker 6: a little bit.
- 32:58Speaker 4: We had to sell some standards in the mix. My taste.
- 33:00Speaker 4: You know what it is like do you do you.
- 33:01Speaker 2: Guys do like bat drills and stuff all that stuff?
- 33:05Speaker 7: Uh something similar we get after early in the morning
- 33:09Speaker 7: the yard this year, uh no.
- 33:15Speaker 2: Doesn't have the five star recruit quarterback.
- 33:18Speaker 7: If you all don't mind me barring Travis Hunter. If
- 33:22Speaker 7: I could have Trevor and Trevor for like a few Thursdays,
- 33:25Speaker 7: because I'll change the schedule, make it Thursday, happen back
- 33:28Speaker 7: to you for the weekend. If I could have Trevor
- 33:31Speaker 7: and Travis, like yeah, we'd be an aero circus.
- 33:34Speaker 4: And if you're throwing BTJ, I'll take him to Okay,
- 33:37Speaker 4: we can have all kinds of fun.
- 33:38Speaker 5: You can coach a little bit with those guys at
- 33:40Speaker 5: the high school gus.
- 33:43Speaker 7: I've heard this from Nick Saban. Nick Saban said he
- 33:45Speaker 7: learned he's a much better coach when he.
- 33:48Speaker 4: Has better players. I think I'm a follow suit.
- 33:51Speaker 2: What kind of offense you real quick?
- 33:54Speaker 6: Oh you know we're gonna we may we may look
- 33:55Speaker 6: like a pop.
- 33:56Speaker 4: We may single wing that thing, snap.
- 33:58Speaker 7: It and just run it down people's throats over and
- 34:01Speaker 7: over and over again.
- 34:02Speaker 8: Was it a couple of years you told me you
- 34:04Speaker 8: had like four or five plays the whole year?
- 34:06Speaker 7: Yeah, you know that works, little simplicity. I think I've
- 34:09Speaker 7: cut it down to three now. Found out that the playbook.
- 34:12Speaker 7: The playbook was too big, had too many.
- 34:15Speaker 4: Mistakes in, too many errors. So we're gonna start out
- 34:17Speaker 4: with three counter sweet Yeah, we'll see if we can
- 34:22Speaker 4: expand from that.
- 34:24Speaker 3: All Bucky, We'll talk to you again next week and
- 34:27Speaker 3: get an update on the off season workouts.
- 34:29Speaker 2: Man appreciate it.
- 34:30Speaker 4: I can't wait.
- 34:30Speaker 3: Man talk you guys, Brooks in La john O's aer
- 34:34Speaker 3: m JP Shaddickers. Thanks to Joe for Gnado and Brent
- 34:37Speaker 3: reaver In. Thanks to you for watching and listening to
- 34:39Speaker 3: huddle up with Bucky Brooks.