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Sharri | 30 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News, This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight the bombshell news that America will resume
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Speaker 2: its nuclear weapons testing program after thirty three years. The
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Speaker 2: President speaks for the first time after leaving South Korea,
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Speaker 2: and I'll bring you those comments from Donald Trump in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Scott Morrison tonight urges the coalition to stop
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Speaker 2: the polarized debate over net zero and find a sensible
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Speaker 2: path forward. One He says that dumps the twenty fifty targets,
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Speaker 2: but maintains an aspiration to lowering emissions. My exclusive interview
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Speaker 2: with Scott Morrison shortly plus how Australia's e Safety Commissioner
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Speaker 2: risks becoming embroiled in a congressional investigation into censorship and
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Speaker 2: Internet regulation. Matt Canavan has the full details on this
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Speaker 2: scoop in a Moment, but first tonight to the bombshell
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Speaker 2: news that the United States will kickstart its nuclear weapons
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Speaker 2: testing program. President Donald Trump made the shock announcement around
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Speaker 2: an hour before his meeting with Chinese President Shijingping. It
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Speaker 2: was their first in six years. Just a short while ago,
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Speaker 2: the President spoke about it on Air Force one while
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Speaker 2: flying back to the United States from South Korea.
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Speaker 3: We have more.
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Speaker 4: Nuclear weapons than anybody. We don't do testing, and we've
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Speaker 4: faulted it years many years ago. But with others doing testing,
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Speaker 4: I think it's appropriate that we do outside.
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Speaker 2: Trump olso spoke about his meeting with President She, which
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Speaker 2: he declared a success. He said he's on the verge
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Speaker 2: of signing a trade deal with China.
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Speaker 4: Overall, I guess on the scale, I'm from zero to ten,
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Speaker 4: with ten being the best I would see. The meeting
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Speaker 4: was at twelve.
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Speaker 2: And their meeting was warm and friendly at a leader
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Speaker 2: to level. Trump also confirmed he'll visit China in April
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Speaker 2: and that President She will also visit the United States.
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Speaker 2: These are positive developments, no question, and Trump will no
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Speaker 2: doubt be putting some pressure on She to stop buying
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Speaker 2: Russian oil and which is helping to finance and thus.
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Speaker 5: Prolong the war with Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: But despite today's friendly meeting, there's no denying the threat
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Speaker 2: China poses, and it's why the timing of Trump's announcement
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Speaker 2: that they will resume nuclear testing isn't coincidental.
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Speaker 5: It was a.
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Speaker 2: Clear projection of American strength before Trump met with America's
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Speaker 2: most powerful rival. In announcing the nuclear testing Trump said
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Speaker 2: on social media, the US has more nuclear weapons than
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Speaker 2: any other country. Russia is second, and China is a
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Speaker 2: distant third, but will be even within five years because
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Speaker 2: of other countries testing programs. I've instructed the Department of
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Speaker 2: War to start testing our nuclear weapons on an equal basis.
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Speaker 5: That process will begin immediately, immediately. Now.
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Speaker 2: The last time the US tested a nuclear weapon in
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Speaker 2: full was back in nineteen ninety two. It was code
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Speaker 2: named Divider. The then President George Bush ordered a moratorium
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Speaker 2: on underground nuclear testing afterwards. So, as I said, it's
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Speaker 2: been thirty three years since then, and the last nuclear
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Speaker 2: testing by any country was North Korea in twenty seventeen. Now,
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Speaker 2: you have to think recent presidents, democrats like Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: or Barack Obama would never have made a decision like
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Speaker 2: the one Trump made today. And of course the left
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Speaker 2: will object. And here was teel Zali Steggle this afternoon
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Speaker 2: already on script.
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Speaker 6: Trump is ordered nuclear testing to resume.
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Speaker 7: Very concerned about that. I think that is a bad outcome.
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Speaker 5: For the world.
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Speaker 3: Russia's doing it well.
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Speaker 7: The testing maybe within their own you know, it's not
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Speaker 7: like it's public knowledge. I don't think we don't need
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Speaker 7: to see a nuclear escalation that we're seen in previous generations.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I can as constantly asking for actually the
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Speaker 7: Australian government to sign up to the Nuclear non Proliferation Treaty,
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Speaker 7: which we still haven't.
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Speaker 5: I mean, you can see it now.
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Speaker 2: This will be the latest cause the protest movement embraces
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Speaker 2: from Black Lives Matter to defund the police to pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian are now anti nuclear.
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Speaker 5: So why is Trump doing this? Well?
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Speaker 2: Trump cites rival nations testing nuclear weapons as his primary reason,
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Speaker 2: but of course there's more to it. China is growing
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Speaker 2: its nuclear arsenal at a rapid rate. It's currently estimated
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Speaker 2: to have around seven hundred nuclear.
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Speaker 5: Weapons, and the world looked on.
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Speaker 2: Extraordinary military parade early last month, showcasing its extensive military modernization.
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Speaker 2: So this is Trump sending a message to she that
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Speaker 2: America will remain the great world power. It isn't retreating.
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Speaker 2: Trump is positioning the United States firmly as the leader
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Speaker 2: of the free world, and his announcement also closely followed
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Speaker 2: Russian President Vladimir Putin confirming that Moscow had tested a
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Speaker 2: nuclear powered underwater drone. Putin, as we've seen, is still
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Speaker 2: emboldened he's refusing to agree to a cease fire with Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: and Trump is now flexing his muscles. North Korea also
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Speaker 2: this week said that it's taking steps to strengthen its
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Speaker 2: nuclear combat posture. So with this aggressive posturing from dictators,
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Speaker 2: America has a little option between shore.
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Speaker 5: It remains ahead of the pack. Now.
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Speaker 2: The bulk of America's nuclear weapons were tested in the
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Speaker 2: fifties and sixties, and it is time the weapons were
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Speaker 2: modernized with the most advanced military technology to ensure the
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Speaker 2: new design's work, and there needs to be complete confidence
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Speaker 2: these weapons will be able to operate effectively. Now, the
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Speaker 2: President often speaks about peace through strength.
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Speaker 5: He doesn't want war.
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Speaker 2: He's very clearly he wants his legacy to be ending
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Speaker 2: wars in the Middle East, in Russia, Ukraine, although it's
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Speaker 2: proving difficult in other places around the world. But having
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Speaker 2: the world's most powerful weapons this acts as an equally
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Speaker 2: powerful deterrent to help ensure peace prevails. Now, if there
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Speaker 2: was one policy more than any other that won Albanezi
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Speaker 2: the election, it was his pitch that going to the
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Speaker 2: doctor would be free. He took out his Medicare card
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Speaker 2: at press conferences on leaders debates and in television interviews
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Speaker 2: waving it around, pledging it was the only card you
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Speaker 2: will need to see a doctor and that you wouldn't
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Speaker 2: need your credit card.
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Speaker 8: It means, of course, all they need is this little
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Speaker 8: green card. All they need is their Medicare card. Every
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Speaker 8: Australian will only need just this, just this, their Medicare card.
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Speaker 8: All they will need when they walk in here. All
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Speaker 8: they need is this their Medicare card. That is all
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Speaker 8: that you need. We want people to be able to
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Speaker 8: see a doctor up to ninety and they just need
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Speaker 8: their Medicare card, not their credit card.
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Speaker 2: And we even saw in Parliament just yesterday Richard Miles
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Speaker 2: also waving around a Medicare card, or might have been
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Speaker 2: Health Minister Mark Butler. They're still doing it yet. In
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Speaker 2: the news now is a survey from Consumer's Health Forum
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Speaker 2: of Australia, as The Canberra Times reports medical care is
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Speaker 2: becoming unaffordable for more Australians now. The survey asked five
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Speaker 2: thousand Australians in late twenty twenty four about their ability
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Speaker 2: to access the healthcare system, and one in ten Australians
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Speaker 2: said they couldn't afford medical care in the past twelve months.
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Speaker 2: Forty nine percent said that on at least one occasion
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Speaker 2: in the past year, they hadn't accessed healthcare they needed.
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Speaker 2: Twenty eight percent reported not being able to see a
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Speaker 2: dentist because of the cost, and only thirty two percent
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Speaker 2: felt confident they could afford care if they became seriously
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Speaker 2: ill now. The Consumer's Health Forum Chief executive Elizabeth Davinie
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Speaker 2: said that the biggest barrier to getting health care was
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Speaker 2: cost and then followed by the availability of doctors.
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Speaker 9: Australians expect that if they need health care, they'll be
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Speaker 9: able to get it. People shouldn't have to approve they're
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Speaker 9: struggling to get the help they're early eligible force. People
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Speaker 9: are telling us that they simply can't get the care
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Speaker 9: we need.
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Speaker 10: Because it's impossible to make an appointment. The further you
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Speaker 10: up from a big city, the longer you wait, and
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Speaker 10: for real communities, cost and access hit equally hard. So
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Speaker 10: if you can't reach your service, how much it costs
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Speaker 10: is almost irrelevant.
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Speaker 2: Cost and access, and she's asking the government to urgently
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Speaker 2: address the affordability of medical care.
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Speaker 5: On this crucial issue of.
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Speaker 2: Being able to afford an access medical care, we're seeing
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Speaker 2: a vast difference between Albanese's election promise and the reality.
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Speaker 2: And it's not just this survey. The statistics show that
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Speaker 2: Medicare bulk billing rates have declined under the Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: The GP bulk billing rate was eighty eight and a
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Speaker 2: half percent in May twenty twenty two when the coalition
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Speaker 2: left office, and under alban Ezi, bulk billing has dropped
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Speaker 2: more than ten percent to seventy seven point nine percent.
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Speaker 5: And that says as of July this year.
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Speaker 2: Out of pocket costs for GP visits have also increased
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Speaker 2: to the highest level on record. So that's the difference
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Speaker 2: between the spin of pre election promises and the lived reality.
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Speaker 2: And the reality is there's been no improvement in bulk
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Speaker 2: billing and one intenal Australians just can't afford to get
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Speaker 2: the medical care that they need. This is a shocking
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Speaker 2: indictment on the Albaneze government on their core election promise.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in now WA opposition leader Basil
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Speaker 2: Zemplus and National Senator Matt Canavan, and I should mention
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Speaker 2: the Scott Morrison interviews coming up in a moment.
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Speaker 5: Great to see both of you. Matt. I want to
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Speaker 5: start with you.
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Speaker 2: What's your view on why Trump has announced that the
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Speaker 2: US will restart its nuclear testing program.
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Speaker 6: Well, for me, it's pretty clear the timing of it
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Speaker 6: indicates it's a positioning for him as he goes into
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Speaker 6: some crucial negotiations.
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Speaker 3: So I think.
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Speaker 6: He wanted to make it very clear to the world,
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Speaker 6: to China and obviously to Russia by extension as well,
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Speaker 6: that the US has a pretty substantial arsenal and is
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Speaker 6: going to make sure it's up to date. Now. I
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Speaker 6: don't want to see this type of testing occur, but
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Speaker 6: Trump has taken a I don't know if you'd say
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Speaker 6: walk softly, but the walk softly carry a big stick
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Speaker 6: approach and it has delivered results so far, with many
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Speaker 6: wars at least moving towards peace and some ending. So look,
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Speaker 6: the tactic may be the best one. It sounded like
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Speaker 6: it was a good meeting, and he'll be judged by
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Speaker 6: the outcomes, not this truth post in the last few hours.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Basil Matt's right, It does seem like it
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Speaker 2: was a productive meeting on tariffs, among other things, fentanel
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Speaker 2: as well, but you know, the tariffs, the de escalation
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Speaker 2: of this war is only beneficial for US in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. I mean, in relation to the nuclear argument,
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Speaker 1: I think Matt's one hundred percent spot on. And look
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Speaker 1: in recent times, in very recent times, he's been in
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Speaker 1: pretty good form the US president. He's got most things
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Speaker 1: right in that international space, and it does feel as
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Speaker 1: though there's an element of gamesmanship and brinksmanship here. It's
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Speaker 1: a game that he thinks he plays pretty well. I think,
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Speaker 1: leaving that debate to one side, if the United States
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Speaker 1: has major foes China, Russia potentially have nuclear weapons, you
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Speaker 1: would like the United States to have that same capability,
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Speaker 1: even though of course no one in the world, well
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Speaker 1: certainly not in the Western world, would want any proliferation
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Speaker 1: of nuclear weapons. So look tactically, I think it's a
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Speaker 1: holding position. I think it's a strong arguing position. How
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Speaker 1: far does it escalate? Everybody hopes it doesn't, but I
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Speaker 1: guess he's laid his position firmly in the ground and
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Speaker 1: that might not be the worst thing.
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Speaker 2: And that's what we're seeing from Trump really in the
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Speaker 2: past month, increasingly warm relationships at a leader to leader level,
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Speaker 2: but then having this very strong peace through strength position,
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Speaker 2: being prepared to deploy weapons when necessary, as he showed
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Speaker 2: with the B two bombers and Iran. Now, Matt, just
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Speaker 2: turning to something different. This is some quite big news.
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Speaker 2: Now Australia's the Safety Commissioner, Julie in Manngrant, very controversial figure.
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Speaker 5: Now we're learning that she might have.
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Speaker 2: To release communications and documents after she attended a meeting
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Speaker 2: recently that has sparked the ire of the United States
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Speaker 2: Congressman Jim Jordan. This followed an investigation by journalist Michael
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Speaker 2: Schellenberger in public. Now this is to do with concerns
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Speaker 2: about internet regulation and censorship. Matt, you gave a speech
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Speaker 2: about this in the Senate. What can you tell us?
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Speaker 6: Look, it is a pretty dramatic development. The House Judiciary
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Speaker 6: Chairman in the United States Congress, Congressman Jim Jordan, has
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Speaker 6: written a pretty dramatic letter to Stanford University. In that letter,
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Speaker 6: he does accused Stanford of seeking to undermine Americans free
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Speaker 6: speech rights. He explicitly calls out the involvement of our
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Speaker 6: e Safety Commissioner in a conference that they had received
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Speaker 6: leak documents around. Now the request here, just to be clear,
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Speaker 6: the request is for Stanford to release communications between themselves
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Speaker 6: and other foreign governments and agencies, including presumably what Australia
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Speaker 6: is mentioned in those requests. He goes on, Jim Jordan
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Speaker 6: goes on and was going to quote from it here
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Speaker 6: to get it right. He goes on to say that
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Speaker 6: by accusing Stanford by hosting this event designed to encourage
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Speaker 6: and facilitate censorship complier's compliance with regulators from Australia, Brazil,
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Speaker 6: the EU and the UK, Stamford is working with foreign
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Speaker 6: censorship officials to vitiate the First Amendment. So they're pretty
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Speaker 6: serious claims. And I'm also I don't know if the
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Speaker 6: Safety Commissioners had anything like doing anything like that right
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Speaker 6: now now, But what I do know is that she
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Speaker 6: has lost a number of court cases already in this
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Speaker 6: country showing that she's gone beyond the purview set her
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Speaker 6: but from the Parliament, including seeking to request global takedown
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Speaker 6: orders of content. And I think this time we have
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Speaker 6: a deeper look here at this because I don't think
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Speaker 6: the Parliament's set up the e Safety Commissioner to regulate
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Speaker 6: the world. It was to help keep Australian safe here
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Speaker 6: and online. So this is getting safety Matt.
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Speaker 5: It was originally a child safety and it mophed into
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Speaker 5: this role.
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Speaker 2: So just very quickly, do you think would you like
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Speaker 2: to see a parliamentary inquiry into exactly what is going
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Speaker 2: on in this department?
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Speaker 6: That's what I've called for today. The e Safety Commissioner
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Speaker 6: has announced that she is not going to continue in
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Speaker 6: the role. But regardless of who takes the role, I
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Speaker 6: think is very important that government agencies, especially ones dealing
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Speaker 6: with foreign governments here in this case, aren't going above
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Speaker 6: and beyond what the Parliament wants and also what the
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Speaker 6: Australian government wants, so they need to be rained in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, Basil, I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about the problems in the coalition we've seen this week.
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Susan Lee's leadership is being undermined by enemies
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Speaker 2: within her own party. I mean, you know, first they
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Speaker 2: disagreed with her when she said Rud's position was untenable.
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Speaker 2: Then a similar situation this week on Albanize's Joy Division
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Speaker 2: T shirt.
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Speaker 5: Does it seem to you that.
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Speaker 2: As an opposition leader, your own liberal opposition leader as well,
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Speaker 2: it must be hard to watch her when she just
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Speaker 2: can't get any breathing space at the moment.
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Speaker 5: No one's giving her clear air.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think everybody accepts that opposition is a particularly
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Speaker 1: tough game, and nobody would deny that being leader, federal
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Speaker 1: leader of the Liberal Party at the moment is particularly tough.
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Speaker 1: It would have been tough for whoever was in the role.
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Speaker 1: Susan's in the role and doing the absolute best. I
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Speaker 1: think that she can. Look. The best policy for any team,
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Speaker 1: but particularly the Liberal team at this point, is to
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Speaker 1: get in behind their leader, and any form of destabilizing
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Speaker 1: only really discredits the broader team. It's unhelpful, it's unuseful,
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't take the team forward in any way,
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Speaker 1: shape or form. So it doesn't matter what individual preferences
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Speaker 1: or ideas or thoughts might be. If you're on the team,
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Speaker 1: you've got to play the team game, and any form
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Speaker 1: of operating outside of those rules really is counterproductive to
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Speaker 1: what the Liberal Party are there for at the federal level,
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Speaker 1: and I would urge all of them to just get
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Speaker 1: in behind their leader. That's what they are there to do.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and all they're doing is cementing
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Speaker 2: alber easiest position for even longer.
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Speaker 5: Matt.
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Speaker 2: I want to turn to the drama or the latest
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Speaker 2: drama in your party, in the Nationals. Barnaby Joyce the
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Speaker 2: news today he's facing a parliamentary probe after claims he
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Speaker 2: yelled at a female staffer in the office of a
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Speaker 2: National ZMP. Now he denies the allegations. Matt, you know
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Speaker 2: Joyce very well, you're close friends. Does he have a tampa?
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Speaker 2: Can you see can you see him having yelled at
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Speaker 2: someone like this?
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Speaker 6: Look, Shari, I'm unfortunately for you, I suppose you if
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Speaker 6: he was not going to comment extensively on this because
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Speaker 6: my understanding is it's a matter of a complaint now
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Speaker 6: and to make sure a fair investigation occurs. I don't
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Speaker 6: want to add any commentary to it. Of course, I
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Speaker 6: want to see our staff have the ability to use
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Speaker 6: those confidential complaints processes. I don't know anything about this
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Speaker 6: incident apart from what I've read, so I'm just going
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Speaker 6: to leave it at that. No, well, my understanding reading
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Speaker 6: the stories hasn't been here today. I believe he's at
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Speaker 6: a funeral, but now I haven't spoken him about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Basil, you know again, this problem it's not just
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Speaker 2: within the Liberal Party. There's the division with the Nationals.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce very messy. He doesn't know if he wants
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Speaker 2: to sit with one Nation or the Nationals or somewhere
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Speaker 2: else by himself. I mean, they've got to get their
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Speaker 2: act together and they're not going to win.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not telling Matt anything he doesn't know, telling
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Speaker 1: anybody federally anything they don't know. I think, very broadly speaking,
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Speaker 1: we know that the general public they won't vote for teams,
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Speaker 1: whichever team it might be, if that particular team can't
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Speaker 1: agree amongst themselves and can't get on amongst themselves. So
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Speaker 1: it was an absolute fundamental Whilst the Libs and the
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Speaker 1: Nats are in a coalition of formal coalition, I think
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Speaker 1: everybody needs to see them working together and demonstrate that
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Speaker 1: they are capable of doing that and then capable of
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Speaker 1: forming the alternative government. In Barnaby's case, Look, he loves
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Speaker 1: to be in the limelight. He finds his way into
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Speaker 1: the limelight or into the spotlight with monotonous regularity. And
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Speaker 1: I do wonder out loud if it's okay Matt. I
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Speaker 1: do wonder whether it's not time for him just to
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Speaker 1: make his decision on what his future is. He said
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Speaker 1: he's not running for the NATS at the next election
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Speaker 1: in the seat that he occupies. Maybe he should just
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Speaker 1: come out and say what he's going to do, and
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Speaker 1: that would make it easier and a clearer pathway for everybody.
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Speaker 1: And I think everybody on both sides would a pre
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Speaker 1: shake that clear air.
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Speaker 2: Very sensible, very sensible advice that you're going to take it, Matt, No, I'm.
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Speaker 6: Not, thanks, though, Basil. Look, I don't want to lose
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Speaker 6: people from my team, So you know, I, you know,
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Speaker 6: I Barnaby might be on the brink here or you know,
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Speaker 6: walking the plank, so to speak. I don't want to
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Speaker 6: force him off. I'd like him to come back to
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Speaker 6: the ship, so you know, if it takes a bit
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Speaker 6: longer to do that, the team is, Basil said, the
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Speaker 6: team's got to come first before the timing of that.
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Speaker 2: All right, Now, both of you are dad's I think, Matt,
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Speaker 2: you've got a few more kids than Basil does, just
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Speaker 2: a couple more.
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Speaker 5: But it's Halloween tomorrow. Are you both going trick or treating?
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Speaker 5: Are you dressing up? Matt? You want to go.
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Speaker 3: First, Matt or yeah?
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Speaker 1: You got Matte.
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Speaker 6: Now, Well, I'm actually I'm actually not going to be
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Speaker 6: at home, unfortunately, I'm going to be at the Nationals
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Speaker 6: Federal Council. So I'll be with a bunch of other politicians.
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Speaker 6: Sounds that'll be scary enough. That'll be scary enough, So
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Speaker 6: no one needs to dress.
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Speaker 5: Up and bazzil.
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Speaker 2: You can probably win some boats standing there handing out lollies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, although sometimes politicians handing out lollies is not necessarily
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Speaker 1: the best thing. Sherry. Look, we've not been a Halloween
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Speaker 1: family typically, didn't grow up with it like many of
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Speaker 1: my generation. But when you've got kids of the age
21:22
Speaker 1: of fourteen, twelve, and eight, it's right in their wheelhouse.
21:26
Speaker 1: So we gently tiptoe into the space. There's a bowl
21:29
Speaker 1: at the front door. Sometimes we open it and hand
21:31
Speaker 1: them out. Other times we just let the kids take
21:33
Speaker 1: them themselves. And by the time seven thirty rolls around
21:36
Speaker 1: and it starts to get dark, no daylight saving over here.
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Speaker 5: Thank goodness for that, we can.
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Speaker 9: Go to bed.
21:42
Speaker 8: No.
21:43
Speaker 2: I also didn't grow up with it, but now it's
21:44
Speaker 2: a massive thing and you've got to you know, you
21:46
Speaker 2: get what's the term when you get peer pressure, parent
21:50
Speaker 2: pressure into doing all of that. So Buzzles and plus
21:54
Speaker 2: Matt Canaman, thank you both so much. Good Now I
21:58
Speaker 2: caught up with former Prime Minister Scott Morrison. A bit
22:01
Speaker 2: earlier this afternoon, I spoke with him about the major
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Speaker 2: news that America will immediately begin testing nuclear weapons, and
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Speaker 2: he also in this interview he intervenes in the net
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Speaker 2: zero debate dividing the coalition. He says what he thinks
22:14
Speaker 2: needs to happen. Here's our exclusive interview Scott Morrison, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time. We've seen the announcement
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Speaker 2: this afternoon our time from the President of the United
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Speaker 2: States that he's planning to restart nuclear weapons testing for
22:29
Speaker 2: the first time since nineteen ninety two.
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Speaker 5: What's your view on this?
22:34
Speaker 2: Is this about Trump showcasing America's strength At this.
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Speaker 3: Point, I don't think we really know the details of
22:41
Speaker 3: what he's proposing, whether it's delivery systems or any and
22:46
Speaker 3: all of the above, and perhaps there'll be further details
22:50
Speaker 3: that will come forward. So whether it's a restarting of
22:54
Speaker 3: things that were going on forty fift years ago, well
22:57
Speaker 3: we don't really know, so I think it's wise not
22:59
Speaker 3: to leap too far ahead as to what this means
23:02
Speaker 3: in practice. But obviously the President has had a very
23:07
Speaker 3: clear narrative about peace through strength and when you look
23:11
Speaker 3: at his statement on truth social it makes a pretty
23:14
Speaker 3: strong reference to the size of the US arsenal and
23:17
Speaker 3: it's a timely reminder when you know the Russians are
23:21
Speaker 3: flexing their muscles on this front, and things regarding China
23:25
Speaker 3: are quite opaque. I'm not suggesting their conducting tests, but
23:29
Speaker 3: there's certainly forward leaning when it comes to systems and
23:34
Speaker 3: their delivery systems in particular and developing those technologies. So,
23:39
Speaker 3: you know, I think you take it in line with
23:42
Speaker 3: many of the things that we hear. But I think
23:45
Speaker 3: there is an overriding sort of narrative that he has
23:49
Speaker 3: consistently projected, and that is the United States is a
23:53
Speaker 3: great military power. He says this fairly regularly.
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Speaker 2: But if he did go ahead with the testing, and
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Speaker 2: he says he will do so immediately, would you have
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Speaker 2: any concerns about that?
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Speaker 3: Well, I just don't think there's a lot of merit
24:08
Speaker 3: and speculating. I mean, it's not clear what he is
24:11
Speaker 3: actually proposing and how much beyond what the normal routine
24:16
Speaker 3: process is that they do across the systems that deliver
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Speaker 3: these types of weapons. So let's just see what they
24:24
Speaker 3: as Donald likes to style, Trump likes to say, let's
24:26
Speaker 3: just see what happens. Let's just see what happens.
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Speaker 2: Then that zero issue is dividing the coalition at the moment.
24:32
Speaker 2: You committed to the target when you were Prime Minister
24:35
Speaker 2: and Barnaby Joce was deputy. Has your position on this
24:39
Speaker 2: issue now changed?
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Speaker 3: Times have changed? I think that's significant. I mean, back
24:46
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, Joe Biden was in the White House,
24:50
Speaker 3: Australia was becoming increasingly isolated when it came to this issue.
24:56
Speaker 3: COP twenty six was coming forward with you negotiating trade
24:59
Speaker 3: deals with the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom had a
25:01
Speaker 3: very forward leading view on this. Japan had made a
25:04
Speaker 3: similar commitment, and there was increasing concerns and the reality
25:08
Speaker 3: of a capital strike against Australia out of major investment
25:12
Speaker 3: banks and others, and that was not something Australia could
25:15
Speaker 3: afford at that time. And so there were some pragmatic
25:19
Speaker 3: decisions made. But I should stress that the decision we
25:21
Speaker 3: took at the time was not to legislate, was not
25:24
Speaker 3: to introduce any regulations that would bind or mandate or
25:30
Speaker 3: people's choices, or tax or do any of these things.
25:33
Speaker 3: Our policy was that we would continue to invest in technology,
25:38
Speaker 3: and it was always our view that technology was the
25:41
Speaker 3: answer to lower emissions energy in the future, and we
25:46
Speaker 3: had an all of the above approach to that, and
25:49
Speaker 3: so that remains actually my position now twenty fifty I'm
25:53
Speaker 3: pretty certain is going to push right and I think
25:55
Speaker 3: globally that's going to be increasingly recognized, and I think
25:58
Speaker 3: that's just a practical realization. I think the government will
26:02
Speaker 3: come to terms with that at some point in the future.
26:06
Speaker 3: So the problem with this debate, Shari is, frankly, it's
26:09
Speaker 3: so cliched, and it's so binary, and the answer is
26:14
Speaker 3: not at either extreme, and that's where so much of
26:18
Speaker 3: the politics likes to force itself. Angus Taylor and I
26:21
Speaker 3: had a very pragmatic policy. We didn't legislate it. We
26:25
Speaker 3: were never going to legislate it. We didn't think we
26:27
Speaker 3: should legislate it. The government decided to do that, and
26:30
Speaker 3: they decided to have a much more ambitious set of
26:32
Speaker 3: targets in the early stage, and that's what is driving
26:38
Speaker 3: what we're now seeing in our energy market.
26:40
Speaker 2: So, just to clarify your position, you do not think
26:43
Speaker 2: it should be legislated, but do you still think the
26:46
Speaker 2: coalition should keep the aspiration or twenty to fifty target
26:50
Speaker 2: of net zero.
26:52
Speaker 3: I don't think twenty fifty is probably any longer achievable,
26:56
Speaker 3: and twenty fifty, you know, you can pick any date
26:59
Speaker 3: twenty sixty I mean narendro Madi picked twenty seventy, others
27:03
Speaker 3: pick twenty forty. It's a statement of direction, not destination,
27:07
Speaker 3: I think. And you should policy seek to achieve the
27:12
Speaker 3: goals of affordability, scalability, reliability, and lower emissions. Yes, I
27:19
Speaker 3: think it should. But should that be done by destroying
27:23
Speaker 3: your economy and doing it at any cost in an
27:26
Speaker 3: unrealistic time frame, particularly in the short term. No, I don't,
27:29
Speaker 3: I never have. The problem is that position doesn't feak
27:33
Speaker 3: neatly into a you know what you get from either
27:37
Speaker 3: of the extreme, so you end up getting canceled by both.
27:41
Speaker 2: But isn't this also a political problem? How do you
27:44
Speaker 2: deal with the Teal seats? The Liberal Party needs to
27:47
Speaker 2: recover so many seats in this area, and the current thinking,
27:51
Speaker 2: whether it's accurate or not, the current thinking is that
27:53
Speaker 2: it would be impossible to win back those Teal seats
27:57
Speaker 2: If net zero by twenty fifty is about it's.
28:01
Speaker 3: About a direction, about whether you think emission should be
28:03
Speaker 3: reduced as part of the energy mix over time. And
28:06
Speaker 3: I think if the coalition would to take a view,
28:08
Speaker 3: and particularly what party would take a view that emission's
28:11
Speaker 3: reduction was no longer part of the policy mix, well,
28:14
Speaker 3: I think that would not reflect where we've been as
28:17
Speaker 3: a party for a very very long time, and that
28:22
Speaker 3: is part of the policy mix in my view, at least,
28:24
Speaker 3: it was certainly part of the policy mix in all
28:28
Speaker 3: of the governments I was part of, including the one
28:30
Speaker 3: I led. It was, you know, Tanny Abbot's policy, it
28:32
Speaker 3: was Malcolm Turmble's policy, it was my policy. And so,
28:37
Speaker 3: you know, walking back from even seeing that as a
28:40
Speaker 3: policy goal, I think would mark a very stark change
28:43
Speaker 3: in direction. But simply admitting to the practical reality that
28:49
Speaker 3: meeting something by twenty fifty is unlikely to occur, and
28:54
Speaker 3: not to be bound by that as some sort of mandatory,
28:57
Speaker 3: shackled arrangement, I don't see that is walking back from
29:01
Speaker 3: emissions reduction being part of the policy mix at all.
29:04
Speaker 3: And it's important that you know, in something as complex
29:09
Speaker 3: as this, that we just don't get drawn into this
29:11
Speaker 3: what is quite a boring polarity in this debate because
29:15
Speaker 3: it doesn't help. Omissions fell under our government and they
29:20
Speaker 3: felt actually more than they're falling now. They fell when
29:24
Speaker 3: Donald Trump pulled out of Paris. The US, Australia achieved
29:28
Speaker 3: greater reductions than Canada and New Zealand, who under their
29:32
Speaker 3: leaders ran around the world chastising everybody for their climate policies.
29:36
Speaker 3: But in places like Australia in the United States that
29:40
Speaker 3: we were pursuing practical policies, we were working to achieve
29:44
Speaker 3: all of these things. And so now the challenge is
29:48
Speaker 3: to understand that with AI. I mean, if you go
29:51
Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty one when
29:53
Speaker 3: we all met in Glasgow, the idea that Hyperscala mag
29:59
Speaker 3: seven companies would now be in bringing the investment into
30:03
Speaker 3: data centers and more importantly the hundreds of billions that
30:07
Speaker 3: they'll be investing in energy technology to power them, well,
30:11
Speaker 3: no one would have believed you. And that was only
30:13
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. You know, chat JBT wasn't even it
30:17
Speaker 3: wasn't really it was in development, but it certainly wasn't
30:19
Speaker 3: what it is today. And so all of those policies
30:22
Speaker 3: back then was about trying to draw investment into new
30:26
Speaker 3: energy technology. Well, that's happening. The hyperscalas are doing it,
30:30
Speaker 3: which is why Bill Gates are saying there's no need
30:32
Speaker 3: for this government regulated premium to attract investment. Jeff Bezos
30:37
Speaker 3: wants to solve it, so he's going to spend a
30:40
Speaker 3: lot of money doing that. And it's always been my
30:42
Speaker 3: view that when there's enough capital put against that problem
30:45
Speaker 3: in the private sector, they'll crack it and we won't
30:48
Speaker 3: even be talking about it.
30:50
Speaker 2: Do you think we need to lift the nuclear prohibition
30:53
Speaker 2: in Australia?
30:54
Speaker 3: Of course, absolutely, yes. That is the smartest policy I
31:01
Speaker 3: think on energy is all of the above. You don't
31:04
Speaker 3: rule things out. You don't say, oh, you know, that
31:06
Speaker 3: can't happen, and that can't happen. You know, there's some
31:09
Speaker 3: practical realities of capital markets. If you want to get
31:12
Speaker 3: finance to build a cul fired power station at the moment,
31:15
Speaker 3: I think you'll struggle. That's what the markets are saying,
31:18
Speaker 3: they're not investing in it. But you know, on gas
31:22
Speaker 3: turbines and things like that. Yeah, on nuclear, particularly small
31:26
Speaker 3: modular we haven't seen those in practice yet, even in
31:29
Speaker 3: the United States. I mean, if you go to Texas,
31:32
Speaker 3: you'll see two things. You'll see acres of solar panels,
31:35
Speaker 3: but you'll also see the most pro small modular nuclear
31:39
Speaker 3: reactor jurisdiction in the entire world.
31:42
Speaker 2: Just final question on the division and the coalition at
31:46
Speaker 2: the moment, the famous saying is disunity is death. Do
31:50
Speaker 2: you have a message to those who are publicly undermining
31:54
Speaker 2: the leader, Susan Lee.
31:56
Speaker 3: I'm not going to I won't even sort of accept
31:58
Speaker 3: the premise of the question. I'll leave others to commentate
32:02
Speaker 3: on those things. But what is true is that when
32:06
Speaker 3: you know, we can't pretend this isn't a difficult issue.
32:09
Speaker 3: It is. And so they're working it out, and sometimes
32:13
Speaker 3: that process can look at a little messy, but it
32:17
Speaker 3: is important that they do work it out and that
32:19
Speaker 3: they come together. And I think they know that. I
32:23
Speaker 3: remember back between you know, two thousand and seven and
32:26
Speaker 3: two thousand and thirty, we're in opposition. Got pretty messy
32:29
Speaker 3: back then too. You will recall you or there too, Shari,
32:33
Speaker 3: But you know, we worked it out, we came together,
32:36
Speaker 3: we got unified, and we ended that government, the labor government. Well,
32:40
Speaker 3: it can happen again, and this time it's a new
32:43
Speaker 3: generation that has to do that. They don't need people
32:46
Speaker 3: like me coming and telling them what to do, and
32:47
Speaker 3: that's not what I'm seeking to do. I'm simply reflecting
32:51
Speaker 3: on the fact that if people are feeling in any
32:53
Speaker 3: way constrained by the decision we took in twenty twenty one,
32:57
Speaker 3: I've just sought to clarify well why we did that.
33:00
Speaker 3: Times are very different now, the world's looking very different,
33:03
Speaker 3: and so they've got to look at the issue afresh
33:05
Speaker 3: and I hope take a very practical way as to
33:08
Speaker 3: how they can bring a liberal solution to what is
33:11
Speaker 3: still a very real challenge and a very real problem.
33:14
Speaker 2: All Right, Scott Morrison, I really appreciate your time. Thank
33:17
Speaker 2: you so much.
33:19
Speaker 3: Thanks Cherry. Good to talk to you.
33:22
Speaker 2: All right, So major intervention in the debate by Scott Morrison.
33:25
Speaker 5: The well still to come.
33:26
Speaker 2: The drone footage that caught Hamas faking the retrieval of
33:29
Speaker 2: hostage remains. Elon Levy will join me to discuss, and
33:33
Speaker 2: a defense expert explains why America is restarting nuclear testing.
33:38
Speaker 5: That's after this quick break. Welcome back.
33:43
Speaker 2: In a moment we'll come to Labour's plan to use
33:46
Speaker 2: billions of dollars from the superannuation system to underwrite their
33:50
Speaker 2: policy priorities. This has a lot of people angry today.
33:53
Speaker 2: But before we get to that, let's get some more
33:55
Speaker 2: on Trump's bombshell nuclear announcement that the US will resume
33:58
Speaker 2: testing for the first time over thirty years. And I'm
34:01
Speaker 2: joined now by the Strategic Analysis Australia director Peter Jennings. Petter,
34:06
Speaker 2: good to see you again. So why do you think
34:09
Speaker 2: Trump has announced this?
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Speaker 3: Two reasons.
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Speaker 11: The long term reason is that the American nuclear arsenal
34:17
Speaker 11: is getting old, and significant numbers of American nuclear weapons
34:21
Speaker 11: are actually being retired. American presidents have resisted modernizing their
34:27
Speaker 11: nuclear arsenal, but I think they have to do that now.
34:31
Speaker 11: For the second reason, which is that China is growing
34:34
Speaker 11: its nuclear arsenal, and of course President Trump was about
34:37
Speaker 11: to meet S. Jimping today, So I think this is
34:40
Speaker 11: also an American statement to the Chinese to say, you know,
34:43
Speaker 11: we're going nowhere. We're the top military power in the world,
34:46
Speaker 11: and we're going to back that up with modernized, modernized
34:49
Speaker 11: nuclear weapons arsenal. So I think that's why the President
34:52
Speaker 11: is doing it, and it's the right call. Sharry, his
34:56
Speaker 11: predecessors should be faulted for failing to address a key
34:59
Speaker 11: part of the American arsenal and I give Trump credit
35:03
Speaker 11: for doing what Obama and Biden should have done before him,
35:07
Speaker 11: but didn't have the courage to do so.
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Speaker 2: In terms of what type of weapons will be tested
35:14
Speaker 2: and the location underground, underwater, surely not in the atmosphere,
35:20
Speaker 2: but it could be, we don't know any of this
35:23
Speaker 2: detail yet.
35:24
Speaker 5: What do you expect it will be?
35:28
Speaker 11: Well, of course none of it is clear from Trump's
35:30
Speaker 11: statement today, But what I would say is, I don't
35:32
Speaker 11: think we're going to see nuclear explosions in the atmosphere
35:36
Speaker 11: or underground, even because that technology is known to work,
35:40
Speaker 11: it's been working for generations. What they will be working
35:44
Speaker 11: on is what are called sub critical tests, which will
35:48
Speaker 11: make sure that a modern design bomb has the capacity
35:52
Speaker 11: to detonate at a particular time, and those things typically
35:57
Speaker 11: happen underground or indeed even in smallest sort of desktop
36:02
Speaker 11: scientific laboratories. That is what I think Trump is talking
36:07
Speaker 11: about here. And I certainly don't think we're going to
36:10
Speaker 11: go back to the era of massive nuclear detonations which
36:13
Speaker 11: we saw in the fifties and sixties.
36:17
Speaker 3: They're not necessary.
36:18
Speaker 11: But what is necessary is to prove that new weapons
36:22
Speaker 11: technology works, and that's where the Americans focus will be,
36:25
Speaker 11: I'm sure, and as.
36:27
Speaker 2: You say, also a reminder of America's strength so that
36:31
Speaker 2: it retains its position as a world leader. I just
36:33
Speaker 2: want to also ask you about you know, we all
36:35
Speaker 2: saw late last night after my show went to air,
36:41
Speaker 2: very warm relationship between Trump and Albanisi. Now a lot
36:44
Speaker 2: of people just on the surface think, oh, they've got
36:46
Speaker 2: a great relationship. But wasn't this Trump ahead of the
36:50
Speaker 2: China meeting saying, you know, we don't need you China.
36:53
Speaker 2: We've got rare earth critical minerals from Australia. The same
36:56
Speaker 2: with the warm meeting with Japan as well. Do you
37:00
Speaker 2: think that was part of it that played into it?
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Speaker 9: Well?
37:04
Speaker 11: I think the good news here is that Trump is
37:06
Speaker 11: discovering the value of allies, which is actually very important
37:10
Speaker 11: to sustain America's strength around the world. And there are
37:15
Speaker 11: no closer allies than Australia and Japan in the Asia
37:19
Speaker 11: Pacific region. You know, I think Anthony Alberizi has done
37:23
Speaker 11: a surprisingly good job given the unpromising start, of managing
37:27
Speaker 11: to keep the defense relationship with the United States moving forward,
37:31
Speaker 11: even though Albanesi has still to really address the level
37:35
Speaker 11: of defense spending, which in Australia is far too low,
37:39
Speaker 11: and where there are many questions that still have to
37:41
Speaker 11: be answered about the future of UCAS and how we're
37:44
Speaker 11: going to deliver those submarines. I guess we all know
37:47
Speaker 11: Shari Trump is not a details person. He's satisfied that
37:51
Speaker 11: he's got an agreement on critical minerals with Albanzi, and
37:56
Speaker 11: he's prepared to accept that the on balance, the align
38:00
Speaker 11: relationship with Australia, just as with Japan, is a net
38:03
Speaker 11: plus for the United States, and all the more so
38:06
Speaker 11: as he now goes into a meeting with.
38:08
Speaker 2: She jimpin And speaking of that meeting with She, it
38:12
Speaker 2: was their first face to face since twenty nineteen. I
38:15
Speaker 2: mean that was even before the pandemic, before Trump was
38:19
Speaker 2: rightly saying that COVID nineteen came from the Wuhan Institute
38:24
Speaker 2: of Virology. So their relationship sunk to a really low position.
38:29
Speaker 2: Now there was this very warm meeting today. Here was
38:32
Speaker 2: some of it.
38:34
Speaker 7: Given our different national conditions, we do not always see
38:38
Speaker 7: eyed eye with each other.
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Speaker 4: President, She is a great leader of a great country,
38:44
Speaker 4: and I think we're going to have a fantastic relationship
38:46
Speaker 4: for a long period of time.
38:50
Speaker 5: So, Peter, what was your view on how the talk sweat.
38:54
Speaker 11: Well, it's good that they're getting on publicly. Of course,
38:57
Speaker 11: none of this changes the underlyingrategic reality, which is that
39:01
Speaker 11: China is challenging America's places the top dog, the strategic
39:06
Speaker 11: boss of the endo Pacific region, and China will continue
39:11
Speaker 11: to do so. So, you know, my advice to Trump
39:13
Speaker 11: not that he's asking missionary, would we don't believe what
39:17
Speaker 11: sigim Ping says to you. You know, sedgem Ping went
39:20
Speaker 11: to Washington, d C. And said to Barack Obama that
39:23
Speaker 11: they wouldn't militarize the South China Sea and that they'd
39:28
Speaker 11: cut back on cyberspying against the United States. And of
39:30
Speaker 11: course the Chinese did the very opposite of those sorts
39:33
Speaker 11: of things. So I'm sure Trump has the savvy too
39:36
Speaker 11: realize that he doesn't take it face value anything that
39:39
Speaker 11: she says to him. But on the face of it,
39:42
Speaker 11: I think I'd rather the two leaders were talking positively together.
39:45
Speaker 11: That's more encouraging than them having fights. And so I
39:49
Speaker 11: think this is really what we're seeing here as Trump's
39:51
Speaker 11: ability to manage a meeting and international meeting when he
39:55
Speaker 11: needs to get a good outcome.
39:58
Speaker 2: No, we're seeing a different Trump this term in office,
40:02
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
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Speaker 5: Peter Jennings. Appreciate your time. Thank you.
40:06
Speaker 2: Now still to come Hamascot burying hostages in a shock
40:11
Speaker 2: drone footage. You might have seen it already. Elon Leavey
40:13
Speaker 2: is going to talk about it on the show. And
40:16
Speaker 2: the plan to use billions of dollars from the superannuation
40:19
Speaker 2: system to underwrite the Albanezy government's policy priorities. People are
40:23
Speaker 2: furious about this. I'll talk about it after the break.
40:29
Speaker 2: Welcome back with the Australians. Jeff Chambers reports that Jim
40:33
Speaker 2: Chalmers is accelerating government plans to unlock billions of dollars
40:37
Speaker 2: from Australia's four point three trillion superannuation system to underwrite
40:42
Speaker 2: Labour's policy priorities. And this is in key areas including
40:47
Speaker 2: housing and clean energy. Let's bring in now chief economist
40:52
Speaker 2: at Macrobusiness, Leith van Onsen.
40:53
Speaker 5: Leith, good to see you again.
40:55
Speaker 2: Now, Labour's policy priorities aren't necessarily the best return for investment,
41:01
Speaker 2: are they?
41:02
Speaker 12: No, this is an absolute slippery slope by treasure of Charmers, Sharry. Look,
41:07
Speaker 12: he's already directed the Future Fund to invest in Labour's
41:09
Speaker 12: pet polesy areas like housing, renewable energy, infrastructure, all those
41:14
Speaker 12: sorts of things which under what Treasure Charmers calls value
41:17
Speaker 12: based capitalism, And it looks like now he wants to
41:20
Speaker 12: direct our superannuation savings into Labour's pet polesy areas. And look,
41:25
Speaker 12: the reality is Superinnuation should act in the best interests
41:29
Speaker 12: of members, and it should aim to achieve maximum financial
41:33
Speaker 12: and investment returns, and our superannuation savings should not be
41:36
Speaker 12: used by Labor as a slush fund to satisfy their
41:40
Speaker 12: political agendas and their social justice concerns. The fact matter
41:43
Speaker 12: is Super belongs to us, not the government, and they
41:46
Speaker 12: need to basically kick their hands off us Super.
41:48
Speaker 3: It's as simple as that.
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Speaker 2: I think most people would agree with you. Chris Kenny
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Speaker 2: had a terrific editorial on this topic earlier this evening,
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Speaker 2: and he pointed out that Labour opposed the coalition's policy
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Speaker 2: to allow people to use their own super to buy property.
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Speaker 2: You know that five percent house deposit using your own super.
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Speaker 2: Yet they now want to dip into superannuation to fund
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Speaker 2: their own policy priorities, including housing.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely. Look, look, it's bad enough that the government has
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Speaker 12: wasted billions and billions of dollars of our money on
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Speaker 12: boondogg or projects like renewable energy, etc. But you know,
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Speaker 12: to direct our super savings now into those same projects
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Speaker 12: with minimal transparency, minimal accountability, in my views even worse.
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Speaker 12: And they need to basically backtrack from this and keep
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Speaker 12: the hands off our super.
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Speaker 3: It's our super.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Are you getting feedback that people are very angry about this?
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Speaker 5: I mean it was only.
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Speaker 2: Announced in a speech last night, so I suppose the
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Speaker 2: word is still getting out there, but it was in
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Speaker 2: the papers today.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, just just probably the same as what you've heard
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Speaker 12: of ready a few places. But you know, personally, I
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Speaker 12: was pretty angry when I heard it because for all
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Speaker 12: these reasons, they've already butchered the future trying to direct
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Speaker 12: money into these areas. They've butchered our taxes doing this,
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Speaker 12: and now they want to take our own private savings,
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Speaker 12: which are there to ensure that we have a dignified retirement,
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Speaker 12: and it's our money and they want to waste it
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Speaker 12: on their pet projects.
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Speaker 3: It's just not on.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, do you agree with most economists that the
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Speaker 2: rise in inflation we saw yesterday is mostly because of
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Speaker 2: rising electricity costs?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, So rising energy is going to be the fawning
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Speaker 12: Australia side for potentially a decade or more, because energy
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Speaker 12: inflation feeds across everything in the entire economy. It feeds
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Speaker 12: inflation across the entire supply chain because everyone uses energy.
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Speaker 12: And unfortunately we've got this idiotic gas policy, idiotic renewables
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Speaker 12: energy policy, and as a result, gas electricity prices are
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Speaker 12: going to the moon, which just means we're going to
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Speaker 12: have embedded inflation. It's going to be like a nineteen
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Speaker 12: to seventy style shock where Australia is going to be
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Speaker 12: a stagflationary economy of low growth, low productivity and higher inflation.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, really really scary thought if inflation can't come down
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Speaker 2: because of embedded electricity costs, as you're saying, Leith van Onslan,
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Speaker 2: great to see you as always, Thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time.
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Speaker 5: Is a worrying.
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Speaker 2: Prospect, all right, Still to come the drone footage which
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Speaker 2: exposes her muss is sick and twisted games a man
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Speaker 2: in Israel. Elon Levy will be live next Well, the
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Speaker 2: IDF has released drone footage which appears to show her
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Speaker 2: mask staging a hostage body discovery and.
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Speaker 5: A warning before we show this.
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Speaker 2: The pictures are distressing, but as you can see on
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Speaker 2: your screen in a minute, here you go. The terrorists
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Speaker 2: bring out a hostage body from an apartment, place it.
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Speaker 5: In a dirt pit, and bury it.
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Speaker 2: And then moments later, her mask calls the Red Cross.
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Speaker 2: Now this isn't a hostage body, it's really hostage remains.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in while you can keep looking at the vision,
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Speaker 2: but let's bring in now. Form Israeli government spokesman Elon Leavy. Elon,
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Speaker 2: this is incredibly emotionally distressing for the mother of a
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Speaker 2: fear Safati, who had already buried her son.
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Speaker 3: Shari. What can I say?
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Speaker 13: I thought we'd seen the worst of Hamas's body snatches
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Speaker 13: when they paraded the coffins of dead babies and return
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Speaker 13: them with the wrong labels and a woman who wasn't
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Speaker 13: even their mother. Let's remember the shocking dead hostage parades
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Speaker 13: back in the last hostage release, but this really is
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Speaker 13: psychopath behavior on a different level. To take the remains
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Speaker 13: of a hostage body parts, really to throw them in
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Speaker 13: the ground, cover them with dirt, and then dig them
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Speaker 13: back up, just so the Red Cross can be called
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Speaker 13: over to see. It's just like something from a psychopath
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Speaker 13: horror movie behavior, and it's a reminder that Israel is
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Speaker 13: dealing with some really sick and twisted individuals in Hamas.
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Speaker 13: Hamas will do literally anything to avoid moving onto phase
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Speaker 13: two of the ceasefire, which will see Gaza demilitarize and
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Speaker 13: ha Maas removed from power. They're down to playing six
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Speaker 13: stunts with body parts so that they can continue torturing
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Speaker 13: the families and continue holding onto those bodies of hostages
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Speaker 13: they murdered as insurance so that they don't.
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Speaker 3: Have to end this war.
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Speaker 13: The war the whole world says needs to end for good.
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Speaker 5: Hmmm.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, there has been positive science from Qatar, at least
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Speaker 2: we've heard public statements. They're saying that Hamas does need
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Speaker 2: to give up control of Gaza. Do you find this
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Speaker 2: encouraging what they're saying publicly?
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Speaker 13: Hamas is supported by Cutter and Turkey. They are its
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Speaker 13: main state sponsors. It was only forced to release the
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Speaker 13: living hostages when after two years of supporting Hamas in
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Speaker 13: this war those countries told it under American pressure that
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Speaker 13: the game is up and they need to free the hostages.
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Speaker 13: They need to put pressure on Hamas now, Turkey and
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Speaker 13: cut and must make it clear to Hamas that if
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Speaker 13: they do not lay down their arms and relinquish control
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Speaker 13: of Gaza, they are on their own. Carter and Turkey
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Speaker 13: won't support them anymore, not diplomatically, not through the propaganda
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Speaker 13: channels they have been running, not through economic support. Hamas
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Speaker 13: must be completely isolated. It didn't help when Western countries
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Speaker 13: like Australia and the UK gave Hamas a boost by
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Speaker 13: rewarding October seventh with recognition of a Palestinian state. Hamas
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Speaker 13: needs to be totally isolated, and that means these countries
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Speaker 13: really need to pull their weight and say, you know what,
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Speaker 13: it was a mistake for us to back Hamas in two.
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Speaker 3: Years of this war. You've brought the Gaza strip to destruction.
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Speaker 13: We need to rebuild, we need to move on.
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Speaker 2: You have to go, and you know your point about Qatar.
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Speaker 2: That's the only reason Hamas did release those twenty living
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Speaker 2: hostages because of the pressure Trump and the international community
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Speaker 2: brought to Baron Katar that could have happened that international
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Speaker 2: pressure much earlier, but instead there were pressure in Israel.
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 13: The pressure from day one of the war should have
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Speaker 13: been on Hamas's state, sponsors, its patrons to force it
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Speaker 13: to release the hostages. Instead, Cutter was treated as a
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Speaker 13: neutral mediator. Cutter condemned Israel for the October seventh massacre
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Speaker 13: on October seventh. It was pushing for a ransom that
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Speaker 13: would have left Hamas in power. It operated Al Jazeera
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Speaker 13: to spread toxic propaganda in support of Hamas. It was
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Speaker 13: never a neutral mediator. It was Hamas's patron. It should
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Speaker 13: have been pressured from the beginning. Unfortunately, I think Cutter
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Speaker 13: has too many foreign media channels and politicians in the
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Speaker 13: back of its pocket, with a lot of the oil
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Speaker 13: money they've spent buying influence in the West.
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Speaker 3: But that's where the pressure needs.
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Speaker 13: To be now. Cutter, the table spare of the mostly
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Speaker 13: Brotherhood in the Middle East, needs to be pressured to
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Speaker 13: abandon Hamas. But Hamas leaves power, let's everyone move on.
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Speaker 2: Well said Elon Levy. Always love having you on the show.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and that's always good time for everyone.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your company this week. Here's Paul Murray,