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Episode 247: The Spawn Camp Fight Club part 1! · WASD and Beyond

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Professionalism. Professionalism.
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There's better choices of words, but I think it's a word.
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It's a word and we're here. Good, good.
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And we're gonna just do it. Right, right.
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We're gonna do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Let's do it. Yeah, we're doing it.
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Welcome back, everybody to the WASD and Beyond podcast.
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We are hosts Nick, Brody, Evan and Noah.
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We got the whole gambit with you this week for a pretty cool idea
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that was all in Noah's brain. Noah birthed this from his
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brain. It fell out of his ear holes.
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This is hardly an original idea. Oh, it's original, this is.
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This is give yourself some fucking credit, Noah.
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Damn. Dude, Internet burst, take your.
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Boys, What are we discussing, Noah?
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What are we discussing? Yeah, what are we talking about?
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This week, and depending on how this goes, potentially next week
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also or another time, some other time in the future or right now,
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if it happens now, we're going to do a video game character 1V1
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Death battle showdown where we're going to take, I think we
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have 30 characters from all sorts of different games and
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we're going to pin them against each other in a battle and we'll
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discuss and debate and see who we think would win that fight.
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The basic rules, we're going to go with some pretty standard
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superhero showdown rules where both characters spawn on either
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end of an American football field.
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They'll spawn with their standard kit.
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For this, we've sort of decided that that's sort of like mid
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game equipment. They will both perceive the
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other one as a threat and they'll assume that it's either
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kill or be killed. So there's no running away, even
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if that is what a character would do.
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But I think as a general rule, the fact that they're in a
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football field is really only so that you get a sense of scale,
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which try to keep like the environmental stuff to a
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minimum, you know, Because I know Evan brought that up when
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we were talking beforehand. Yeah.
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About like using the environment, but for the most
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part, it's just a, it's a football field, right?
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So you can get like everybody knows what a football field
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looks like when you're on it and when you're far away from it.
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So yeah. I feel like I feel like this is
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going to be good conversation. I feel like the further down the
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ladder we get is when a lot of the argument may start to arise
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in a very good way. Let's.
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OK. How are we doing this exactly?
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With like, yeah. Well, I think because we we got
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a lot here and this has the potential to go pretty long.
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So I think we're going to at least shoot for getting one side
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of the bracket done. Yeah, we'll we'll post like a
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list or an image of what all these characters are.
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But I guess we could go down the list of all the characters we
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picked real quick before we just jump right into it.
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So I think we're we're going to do the left side of the bracket
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this week and then we'll have to come back and do the right side
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and that'll conclude. But for our participants we have
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Ezio Auditore from Assassin's Creed 2, Jin Sakai from Ghost of
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Tsushima, a semi bot from Repo, Cole McGrath from Infamous Two,
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Octodad from Octodad, Sam Bridges from Death Stranding,
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the Doomslayer from Doom Eternal, the Sarin 2 from Avatar
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Frontiers of Pandora, Leon Kennedy from Resident Evil 4,
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Robert Robertson from Dispatch, Niko Bellic from GTA4, Ayloy
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from Horizon 0, Dawn, Mario from Super Mario Odyssey 'cause that
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was the most recent one, BJ from Wolfenstein New Colossus, Nathan
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Drake from Uncharted 3, Lara Croft from Rise of the Tomb
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Raider, Rico Rodriguez from Just Cause 3, Jason Brodie from Far
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Cry 3, Snake from Metal Gear Solid, Ellie from the Last of Us
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Part 2, Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy.
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There's too many of those games for me to just pick one.
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Master Chief from Halo 3, Link from Breath of the Wild 7.
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There's like a million Final Fantasy games.
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Look, I don't know anything about you.
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Just angered that entire community, Brody laughed.
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The entire community went. I don't know anything about that
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character or those guns so. You go learn today.
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I literally, this is not a joke. Like I didn't do this as a as a
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goof and I put Norman Reedus as Sam Bridges because I didn't
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know that character's name. I literally wrote Cloud Atlas
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because I thought like, I literally thought who that
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character is. Hang on, that's not his name.
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Yeah, something right here. Yeah, something's saying it
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right. Where did I leave off Link?
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Breath of the Wild, Kirby from Smash Ultimate, Gordon Freeman
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from half life 2, Isaac from Dead Space, Arthur Morgan from
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Red Dead Redemption 2, Calcasus from Jedi Fallen ordered Jeez
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got out. I always say falling over as
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like a joke. It was fighting me there for a
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second. Marcus Phoenix from Gears of War
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2 and Titus from Space Marines 2A.
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Couple of guys on this list were it's not.
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It's going to be so unfun for so many different characters.
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Here, Yeah, so we tried to push for a good number of like
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characters who I would classify as like just some guy you know,
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like Gordon Freeman. It literally the whole thing is
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that he's just some guy. Jason Brodie is just some guy.
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Lara Croft, just some woman, you know, she's like they they're
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not really adjusted, but special.
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Yeah, they're not really enhanced.
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And even this aren't too. That's just some Navi.
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It was like a teenager. We had a like the fact that the
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Doomslayer and the Space Marine stayed on the list while we had
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to remove Kratos because we thought he was overpowered.
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It's crazy. Is a little bit crazy, but I
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think I I hope that those guys don't dominate completely.
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Like I hope there is some kind of some kind of a fight that
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people will be able to put up against them.
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I think there will be, yeah. I mean, yeah, I, I, I think the,
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the way the right side, so the, the left side of the bracket
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versus the right side of the bracket is a real fucking crazy
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power dynamic. Yeah, it's very.
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And and this was randomized order.
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The only reason I'm not going to randomize it further is because
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there are some really good matchups in this bracket.
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I like this bracket. This is really good.
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There's some funny matchups in here as well, yeah.
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Especially we get over to the right side that has a little
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more of the fantastic characters and stuff like, well, I would
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say that they're a bit overpowered, but I don't know.
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I mean, like we have like we have Mario one-on-one side.
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Like that's going to be interesting no matter what.
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Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree.
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Oh yeah. So.
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Should we get into it, boys? Should we start with our first
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matchup? We should.
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Yeah, let's do it. So the first matchup is going to
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be Rico Rodriguez versus Lara Croft.
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I'm going to go ahead and say Rico takes this just because of
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his gadgets alone, right? Like the fact that he could
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strap a rocket to Laura Croft's ass and then put her onto a
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windmill. Like the the crazy shit that
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happens in Just cause three I those gadgets alone are crazy.
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Like Laura Croft's a badass in her own right, but man, if she
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would have had just some guy, I think she would have been OK.
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But this is like. This.
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Is the borderline chaos Batman? It's.
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The guy with a grappling hook, right?
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It's the one guy. He's the just guy on this list
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that has that. Every other guy doesn't have a
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grappling hook. She's going to be trying to get
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her her like ice pick out or whatever weapon she uses in that
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game. And he's going to be coming at
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her with a grappling hook in the wingsuit.
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Like, yeah, maybe he's got the rocket pack on the wingsuit.
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She's she doesn't stand a chance.
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It depends because. I mean, she could just shoot
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him. She was this version.
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He could shoot her too though, yeah.
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This version of Lara was particularly violent, and she
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was very stealthy. Yeah, it's like.
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Football field. Yeah, Stealth is a Oh yeah.
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Stealth kind of goes out the fucking window at this point.
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Oh, she's, he's going to blow her ass up, dude.
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He's going to put her on the back of a car and it's going to
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fly across the map. Yeah, I think the only way.
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She, yeah, I think. The only way she wins this is if
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she shoots him first, but like Bertie said she he can shoot her
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just the same. And against grappling withdraw
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rocket launcher. Who knows what?
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He could call him. He takes out and yeah, he takes
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off out the entire bases filled with dudes like.
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Yeah, he's going to be. Through her skull.
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Yeah, he's going to be 50 feet in the air before she even knows
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what happened. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think Rico takes this one pretty.
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It's Rico. Sorry Lara.
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Excited for the new games? Yeah.
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The next match up is going to be Leon Kennedy from Resident Evil
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4 versus Kirby and this is the Smash Ultimate version.
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Of Kirby which? Is pretty much the same as any
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version of Kirby. This is where shit gets fucking
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weird Because. Because wow, I have full
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confidence in Leon. He has never faced something
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like Kirby, which could just go and then you're just inside of
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him. He could stab the shit out of
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Kirby, but it's just like stabbing bubble gum.
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And then. Kirby can spit.
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Out and become, Yeah, but Kirby can then become Leon Kennedy.
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Yeah, but Kirby's never. Kirby's never been kicked by
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Leon Kennedy before, though we don't know he's.
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Been kicked by Captain Falco. Leon Kennedy, we're not talking
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about that. We're just OK, that's true.
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Kirby also has a giant mallet at times.
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And the fact that we use the Smash Ultimate version is Kirby
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has literally been kicked by Ganondorf Bowser.
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Like yes, it's just. It's made the most sense.
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I don't know. Yeah, no, you I don't.
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I I agree. I mean, Kirby is essentially an
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Angel and a demon combined and created some sort of.
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He is chaos. He, he is.
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It's a primordial being. But you don't think he just.
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Swallows and consumes Leon Kennedy and he could shoot him,
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he can stab him. But.
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He virus could whatever virus Leon's carrying, Kirby could
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assimilate. Leon, is that kind of a.
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Core part of it from that. Kirby probably is consumed
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worse. Let's probably, probably.
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Yeah, that's, yeah, that's a good point.
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He has to have some sort of like Freezy like.
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Kirby Cancer I. Thought about that because yeah,
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Leon in four does get infected with some sort of virus but
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yeah, like I mean it's curb well like.
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Leon has seen some. You could go on.
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Sorry. No, I, that was it.
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Like he just he just like, like I I don't think Kirby will be
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fazed by whatever that infection is.
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I don't think it. I think there's him.
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I think Kirby's one of those scary ones that you're like, Oh
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yeah, no, he's so cute, adorable.
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I think he's going to go very far in this bracket.
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Do you think because Leon faces like what does he are like The
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enemies he fights are like zombies for the most part?
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They're sort of. Like for the most.
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Zombies with like the tentacle like stuff.
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Right. So he's a lot of.
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Complete nightmares. He's seen some fucked up shit,
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but he's never going to see it coming from this little pink
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ball of bubble gum on the other end of the field.
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I try. To walk away from it.
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I can almost picture Kirby just fucking.
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Like. Lollygagging across this fucking
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football field. Just.
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Doing yeah, that's it. He's gone.
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He's over. He's.
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Over but when when Kirby inhales someone and copies their power,
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it doesn't kill them like in the version the smash boxman
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version, you spit them back out but you copy your pat their
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power. Oh, OK, so.
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Yeah, but then it's still Kirby, so he could just have Leon's
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weapons at that point and just go.
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Yeah, and he would probably just and before like Leon would be
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too confused as to what just happened.
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Who knows what it looks like on the inside of Kirby?
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Not good. When you get the.
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Worst flashlight? It is the worst.
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Flashlight you've ever purchased?
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So he's in there. He's calling out before he even
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knows Kirby that now looks like him or is now like wearing his
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hat and jacket or whatever is going to be like, I got you now
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and then just kill him. He's good.
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Hi. That's it.
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So yeah, I think Kirby wins. This Kirby wins this one.
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Damn, I'm getting to you. Now here's the here's the
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question, Kirby. Oh no, I did it wrong.
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If oh boy. Oh shit, oh shit, I did it
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wrong. OK, we'll keep talking if Kirby
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wins. Does he keep the form of the of
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the person? Yeah, I I would say based on the
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rules we set up at the beginning, I would say he starts
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fresh. OK, so.
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All right, Kirby ditches the ability.
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Because, you know, like, yeah, like if Laura would have had had
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won the the previous one. Does she get to take Rico's
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gadgets? Right?
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Like I think you get into that territory a little bit.
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I feel like Kirby. Kirby has to go back to normal.
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I can't wait to men in black him and like fucking flash his eyes
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so he forgets ability he copied. Exactly.
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I think the idea, not again, the idea, the idea of the one person
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being able to take the other's equipment.
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It's like, I wonder what Mario was going to do with like a
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bunch of guns that he takes off of.
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Mummy just staring down the barrel.
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I don't know. I don't.
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Think with this I don't think Curry will figure out not
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inheriting Leon's abilities is really a problem for him,
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especially with what his potential next matchup is.
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I don't think it really bothers him.
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I think it's just a it's an absolute something in his way.
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All right, now this one, this is going to take a minute, I can
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tell because. I don't think it.
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Will it will? So I don't think it's going to
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drag it out. I think Nick's just going to be
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slightly. I'll say I'm.
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Going to be I'm going to be a problem.
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I want to say depressive, but passionate is the word I would
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use. So this is Gordon Freeman versus
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the Sarin 2. Is this like a teenage Navi?
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It is a Navi that nearly single handedly brought down the entire
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RDA or the human organization. Yeah.
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So what are we doing here? So go, okay, who wants to go
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first? No.
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No, how about we go underdog goes first.
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So what's? Your go ahead and state your
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case, Nick. Yeah, yeah.
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Gordon, I think this fucking nerd, this scientist is gonna be
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able to kill. All the most.
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OK. This this also can't be like
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this can't be a he has time to plan situation, right?
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Because in that case, like if you were doing superheroes,
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Batman wins all the time because Gordon, if he has time to
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prepare. Yeah, he's never had time to
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repair, so Gordon has single handedly taken down the nylon in
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Zen. He has also taken down in this
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point since it's Half Life 2, so he's already been through Raven.
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This is the middle of the game. Sure.
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So he's already been through Ravenholme.
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I'll give you any help you need here.
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And over prosper. I don't, I don't need your help
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on this. You can give me some
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disadvantages. Oh.
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Man, OK, I think it's already free against one so.
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Gordon. That's why Gordon Freeman's
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tried and true. He's got that gravity gun.
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He's already got the gravity gun.
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Whatever bow and arrow is going to be shot at him fine.
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I get how strong it is. That gravity gun could pick that
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up and fucking shoot that back. It may be Gordon.
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Has fought far superior enemies to this enemy in particular full
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heavily armored alien forces that he's taken down which is
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the Combine and anything coming from Zen.
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The entire like U.S. Special Forces in Black Mesa is
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a single. Knobby face that as well.
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Correct. So this is not an easy fight for
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both. I just, I, I want to put your
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hand down. I'm going to come get you with
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my fucking knife. I have a robot which, yes, it
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was right next to me. It's not going to be an easy
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fight. What put it down, Noah?
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I have a rebuttal. What tall and blue also?
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I think my rebuttal is that Gordon Freeman does not have AWA
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on his side. Exactly.
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OK, does Gordon Freeman have his other arsenal of weapons here?
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No, well, no, he's got like he's got mid game.
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So he has every weapon in the in the game.
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Yeah, they have a gravity gun. Well, he'd have rocket
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launchers. Gravity.
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Does he have shotgun? Does he have the gravity?
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Gun at that point, then, yeah. Yeah, you can only use one at a
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time. That's awesome.
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Yeah. So you'd.
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Be using gravity gun in a crowbar pretty much is what
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you'd be doing here. Well, not sorry, not gets one.
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But I don't think you would get. Several human weapons, as well
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as a bow and arrow. So I would, I would, I would
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stipulate that the Siren too, if you're going like, well, the
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lore of the game is that they assume you're gonna use every
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type of weapon available. So the Sorrow 2 might have an
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assault rifle, or they might also have a rocket launcher, but
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I don't even think they're going to need it.
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I don't think they need it. I think that all they need is
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the is a bow and arrow and they got Gordon Freeman dead to
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rights every single. Time.
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Not with that gravity gun. He do they have their like
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flying pterodactyl looking thing by this point don't.
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You would, but that was a problem we encountered about
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people getting. Because then Gordon would have
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dog at this point too. Potentially no, no, it it we,
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we, no, we stipulated that the way it would work is that if
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it's a companion that you have with you at all times that.
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Would be something that would be OK, OK.
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It's not fair. Like like dog shows up only in
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certain parts. Yeah, it was, it was like that's
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fair. Like you use the the the ink the
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Ekron as like. A It was tough for.
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Like travel and attack. Yeah, I'm not even an.
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Avatar fan but. I know dude, he's fought harder.
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That's the thing with why I'm saying like he, I think it's a
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good fight, but Gordon has fought harder than an Avatar.
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I think he would. Be making the same argument
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against the goddamn Doomslayer. Doomslayer would have killed
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Gordon with. One single touch of a pinky.
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So, but I think you're, but I think.
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Gordon's dead. He's maybe fought harder, aliens
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in a different sense, because at the end of the day, we're
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talking about a football field here.
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And the siren two could just run, shoot an arrow in the
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process of Gordon catching it with the gravity gun, it turning
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around and him shooting it back. They've already closed more
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distance and they're firing another.
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Arrow, but Gordon's also good at up.
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They are sprinting. They are 9 feet tall.
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Yeah, he's good. At they're they're, they're this
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guy firing. They're incredibly fast.
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You're incredibly nimble. OK.
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Is there? OK, Is there anything guns are
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made to build a gravity gun? No, Grab, you don't.
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There's. Not like, no.
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Benches. Or anything like that point.
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That's the point. Oh Gordon's fucked Gordon.
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Only thing Gordon at that point could grab is the arrow and
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shoot it back. Yeah, but by the time he's even
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seen that he's caught the arrow, there's another one coming at
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him, and that thing's like getting a 2 by 4 put through
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your chest. I think Gordon wins still in my
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mind, but in. Reality in my mind, but I think
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it's pretty clear that the sarin too, but.
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He's not winning this tier list. No, so I don't.
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Sorry, Gordon. I mean, I don't think the sarin
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too is going to win this. This matchup is pretty brutal
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for him. He has to face the Eldridge
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horror that is Kirby next, so he's.
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Not winning that. That's what made me laugh about
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this matchup, 'cause I was like, it doesn't matter who wins,
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they're gone in the next round. Gordon Kirby was gonna have a
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It's gonna have a similar effect where Kirby can catch something
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and throw it back, but Kirby can do it so much faster than Gordon
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could do it. Wouldn't couldn't Kirby just
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like, eat the? Arrow too, like it just you
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know. But like we said, you might
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catch the first one, but there's another one to come in right
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after it. Kirby hasn't stopped sucking.
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What? Oh, there you go.
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We'll. Get to that after we find out
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what happens when Octodad fights Calcastus.
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This is. Stressful.
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This is stressful. I think this is another one of
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those easy matchups. Yeah, this is a easy.
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Wipe a fucking Jedi versus Octodad.
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Octodad I think. Yeah, simply because simply
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because of the goofy movement, it's going to just piss Cal
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Castus off. Exactly know what to do.
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There's a chance if he doesn't immediately get the lightsaber
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out, there's a chance Octodad could wrap itself around
22:25
Calacastis's head. But just.
22:27
RIP. It off he would just so in
22:30
force. In Jedi Fallen Order, his force
22:32
powers are definitely less than they are in the sequel game,
22:35
which is why I picked that one because obviously The thing is
22:38
he would just reach out and squish Octodad.
22:41
Yeah. But you know, he can pull him
22:44
close, but I think Octodad would wrap itself around his head and
22:47
he wouldn't be able to use the lightsaber to get it off his
22:50
head. So there'd be a bit of a
22:51
struggle. But I think eventually
22:54
Calchestus is going to make sushi out of this guy.
22:58
Yeah, Octodad's fucked. I think, I think Octodad loses
23:01
this even with that scenario that you just described.
23:06
I think like couldn't Cal essentially, I don't know what 4
23:10
powers he has at the mid game of that one.
23:12
It's been a long time. Just like push and pull.
23:14
So could he in theory do that to himself though he could push
23:16
himself back that could throw Octodad off.
23:18
Oh yeah. You know, something like that.
23:20
Just to get him to loosen the grip a little bit and then he
23:22
can get, you know, get some. Even if he did grab hold of him,
23:25
I feel like Calcastus would be able to fucking force power his
23:28
way out of it. It would be one of those things
23:30
where it'd be the this, and then there's just like that, force
23:34
push off. Yeah, he reaches for the
23:36
lightsaber and makes some fucking calamari dog.
23:39
Yeah, or just calamari. Could.
23:41
He could. He Jedi mind control octodad
23:44
just to strangle itself too. If not, I guess he could, but
23:47
not, yeah, no, not in the. Not in this, not at this point
23:49
in that game, if we're going off of that.
23:51
OK, I don't think he could still push it.
23:53
He doesn't just mind control. He could just launch that thing
23:56
out, dude. He could just go.
23:57
And it's yeah, he would it would like.
23:59
Throw a Saber at. It catch it in the air and then
24:02
just like slice it into a million time.
24:04
Pieces after that becomes sushi dude they.
24:07
Wouldn't even think anything about.
24:08
He'd be like, all right, well, my, my, that was.
24:10
The thing is, I go around space and kill weird aliens.
24:12
Yeah. Before we move to the next one,
24:15
I do need to formally apologize. I have been muting the wrong
24:19
channel when I have my fucking nasal snot thing going on.
24:22
So sorry that's in the audio, I haven't.
24:25
Heard any of? It I've heard, I think I peeked
24:27
my mic a couple times but it'll show up in Zencaster so that's
24:30
cool. Party's like you want to hear
24:32
something sweet audience. It's fine.
24:36
We're just little drainage. It's don't worry about it.
24:40
All right? Yeah, I say cow cast this one's
24:41
that one. Yeah, I.
24:42
Think that. Unfortunate.
24:44
Cow wins this. Unfortunately for Octodad
24:46
because I really wanted to find out.
24:49
Kirby versus Octodad like. Potentially Ezio's going to do
24:52
against against. A moving squid.
24:55
This is this is another one of those.
24:57
Cases like what does this squid? Unfortunate match up because I
25:01
think Octodad versus like a regular dude might have had a
25:05
chance but. Could have if an octopus shaped
25:08
like a dad came at me. Like I don't know what I would.
25:10
Do I'd, I'd freak. Out.
25:12
I feel like if an octopus shaped like an octopus came at me, I'm
25:15
going to freak out a little bit, yeah.
25:17
I I had, I had my Gordon notes up still and I was looking like
25:21
in my head during this conversation.
25:22
I was like, what could I? What could I?
25:24
I think I have revised here. What could I have revised?
25:28
You had a real uphill battle there, my guy.
25:31
I. Don't know I I tried my best
25:33
anyways. You did OK the next one, Cloud
25:37
Strife versus Aloy from Horizon 0 Dawn.
25:41
I feel like. I defer to Brody on this, but
25:44
right, I think it's cloud. I'm sorry, I've played well.
25:47
He has the Buster Sword, right? Yeah, he has the Buster Sword
25:50
Materia he can cast. He can cast suit alloy
25:52
essentially like. Alloy is just dead dude, there's
25:56
no way. Cloud.
25:57
Cloud would fuck Alloy. I mean, she's.
25:59
Yeah, she's got like a bow and arrow and like a like a dart
26:02
launcher and like a Bond throwing thing.
26:05
I think he would just deflect all that and.
26:07
Cut it in half. He's fast as shit, strong as
26:10
hell. Like yeah, Cloud is.
26:12
I mean, he's, he's one of those like borderline superhero type
26:16
of characters, right? Like what would have been worse
26:18
for her Cloud or Sephiroth? I mean, probably head Sephiroth,
26:24
Nick Lee. Cloud beat Sephiroth at some
26:26
point, right? Like.
26:27
Yeah, but I feel like his anger alone except.
26:30
If you're talking mid game, I mean Sephiroth would be worse
26:33
because he's at, you know, peak power still right?
26:36
But yeah, mid game Cloud still going to be a fucking problem
26:41
for a Lloyd. But yeah, if it was Sephiroth.
26:42
A lot of people, Oh my God, for a Lloyd.
26:44
Oh, that would be a nightmare. And worse, a.
26:46
Nightmare. I mean the best thing that for
26:48
in her defense is that which like she fights big robot
26:52
dinosaurs that are pretty slow moving.
26:55
This is one guy like rushing her like she's not.
26:58
Going to know where non-stop, yeah.
27:00
I would have loved to have the matchup of the sarin tube versus
27:04
Aloy though. That would have been a pretty.
27:06
Yeah, that would have been, that would have been cool an.
27:07
Interesting match. Yeah, that would have been nice.
27:10
Nick's over there just like fucking.
27:12
Gordon, I really needed you up against like Laura Croft,
27:16
Gordon. Yeah, yeah.
27:19
I mean, Laura Croft might even kill Gordon because she's like
27:23
young and he's like an old man, right?
27:25
He's only in his 30s. OK, well.
27:28
You don't look it. And that's not very old.
27:30
He's been through it, Yeah. It's not old at all.
27:32
Bulkheads. No, that's not old.
27:35
Thank you. You know, so wide.
27:37
Yeah. Fuck shit.
27:41
Thank you. All right, Mario from Super
27:44
Mario Odyssey versus Ellie from The Last of Us Part 2.
27:48
Evan, you go first. Yeah, Evan, go ahead and make
27:50
your case, dog. I don't really have a case to
27:52
make. I think the honest answer here
27:54
is that I don't. I have not played Super Mario
27:56
Odyssey but like at this point mid game she's got.
27:59
Mario 64. She's got like a, she's got a
28:04
bone arrow, 2 pistols and like maybe a shotgun or a rifle.
28:09
And it's all held together with condoms.
28:11
Yeah, it's, it's all, some of them are upgraded, right?
28:14
Depending on what rage, extra rage.
28:17
See, that's The thing is like a. Little bit of later teenage
28:21
angst like. Yeah, I don't think that saves
28:25
you from Mario like I. Especially in Odyssey where he
28:30
can, he has Cappy right? Like so he could essentially do
28:35
the Kirby thing and turn into an Ellie or a control Ellie and
28:41
make her fucking killers. Jesus Christ, that got to work
28:43
really fast. Nintendo, please don't listen to
28:46
this. Do not sue us over this.
28:47
So like Connor, if you're when you edit this, I need you to
28:51
like make Mario killing Ellie or something.
28:53
I think it's one of those cases, like we said earlier, where it's
28:55
like if if it was Ellie against just another guy, she may have a
28:59
chance. Like I think she could fight.
29:01
I think she could fight. She killed the Drake.
29:03
Or yeah, right. Is she like that's kind of her
29:05
thing. Like that's all that's all the
29:07
second game is you just kill a bunch of people.
29:09
But like, like, I think she would win against maybe some of
29:12
the other characters in this bracket.
29:13
But yeah, I think she just loses to Mario.
29:15
I'm sorry. Like there's no, there's not
29:17
really competition. I mean.
29:19
There's no case for me to make. I'm not fighting this.
29:22
Yeah, Mario. Mario's a a man who can throw a
29:25
giant turtle monster thing like. Yeah, I think.
29:31
Ellie would have. That too, she would.
29:33
She would underestimate him. She'd be like, like.
29:36
I thought kind. Of chubby plumber.
29:38
She would walk at him with her knife too.
29:40
Her little butterfly knife. Yeah, she would.
29:42
Yeah, she'd have her little stiletto.
29:43
And I said that's like maybe like, I think we talked about it
29:46
earlier before we did all this and I and Noah was like, well,
29:49
he's really fast. And I was like, well, yeah, if
29:51
like if he's just coming straight at her, she might have
29:54
a chance if she can hit him. But like, I don't count her on
29:56
that. Like I'm going to.
29:58
Do that. His arms out to the side doing
30:00
that. Yeah, right.
30:01
There, there is a path to her victory, but it only works if,
30:04
like, Mario's running at her, he's doing the thing, and she's
30:07
just standing there calmly with a with her shotgun.
30:10
Then he like, jumps at her to do like a big dramatic punch and
30:13
she just blows him away with the yeah.
30:15
Like if if Mario does just. Completely.
30:17
Does he have a mushroom though? Is he already mushroomed?
30:20
In Mario Odyssey there is no you don't get.
30:22
Stuck. Oh yeah, that's true.
30:24
That's. True, that was the I don't make.
30:26
You one thing I I can picture just walking at him with a knife
30:30
like you said, and then he just goes let's go.
30:33
What the fuck? Do you think when he jumps on
30:35
her head and caves her entire body and he goes, Oh no.
30:39
It's that scene from American Dad when Roger falls on the cops
30:42
head and it squishes in slow motion.
30:45
That's like what happens to her. She he's gonna crush her like an
30:48
aluminum can. Yeah, I think she loses this
30:51
nine times out of 10. She was Joel again, finally, if
30:54
she had to. Finally that that's all she
30:55
wants, so isn't that nice for her?
30:59
Damn boy last. One for the first round is
31:03
Marcus Phoenix from Gears 2 versus Cole McGrath from
31:06
Infamous Two. This is tough.
31:08
I didn't play either of these games.
31:11
I played them years ago. This is tough, and as much as I
31:16
love gears, I kind of think Cole McGrath takes this one.
31:20
I mean, he has literal fucking superpowers.
31:24
Marcus is a bit older here. Yeah 2 two Yeah, he's not too
31:30
old and too. No, he's not too old.
31:32
He's a little bit older, probably in his like 30.
31:34
He's. Probably like 30-40 or something
31:36
too old. He might fuck he anyways.
31:42
Yeah, I don't know how old here. I'm gonna I'm gonna see if we
31:44
can find an answer. I think I haven't but.
31:47
Doesn't. I don't know dude, 35. 35 OK, so
31:50
he's 30. One and two or Aguirre is 1 and
31:52
2. He's like 353637 and 30, yeah.
31:55
I was probably going to say mid 30s maybe, but I.
31:59
Feel like Cole fucks up a lot though and he's not very focused
32:04
all the time. He depended upon your
32:06
playthrough. Like he's very fucking
32:08
irrational. So I feel like with.
32:11
Which is bad for Marcus because he can literally destroy them.
32:14
Marcus has a gun. Yeah, Marcus just starts laying
32:17
down fire. Do you think like that might be
32:20
enough? Can Cole even die?
32:21
Like can he do anything for that?
32:23
Yes. OK, Can he do that midway
32:26
through infamous two though? Is that that's that's.
32:29
I can't remember it, yeah. It's been a long 1 Midway, I
32:32
believe midway through those games you are cuz you're
32:36
basically power scaling to like a God.
32:39
Like you're a superhero essentially.
32:41
So like midway through infamous two, like you're pretty fucking
32:44
strong and you control a lot of elements in that game.
32:47
OK. And if he's out in, if Cole's in
32:49
the elements, I want Marcus to win.
32:52
But if Cole is in the elements and could literally just be
32:54
like, oh, you're running at me, you're shooting at me.
32:57
Boom. And Marcus has no cover.
33:00
This is not a locus. I was going to say it.
33:02
If the fact that this is on a football field and Marcus has no
33:05
cover and Cogs specifically take a lot of cover, he's he's at a
33:11
very big disadvantage here. Now if he could get up there and
33:15
frag tag him though. If he could frag tag him or if
33:19
he can get a chainsaw on him, that's it.
33:21
Cole is done. I don't care how strong.
33:22
Yeah, yeah. But I think he would have a hard
33:24
time getting to him. But their suits?
33:26
Sounds like they're pretty mixed.
33:28
Marcus's suit is very like, it's, it's like all electrically
33:31
powered, right? Like it's it's a powered suit,
33:33
so to speak. Yes.
33:35
Couldn't Cole just electrocute manipulate the energy in the
33:37
suit and just overcharge it? And I'm.
33:39
Sure, Magneto versus Wolverine debacle, right?
33:43
The problem there is Wolverine's beaten Magneto before, but
33:47
Magneto's also ripped out the Animantium from his skin.
33:51
That must feel so good for like maybe 1/4 of a second.
33:57
I think that one sucked for a long time.
33:59
Actually it was a bit of a problem.
34:03
Let's see, I think Cole wins this.
34:07
I think Cole wins it, as much as I would love to see Marcus go
34:11
further, because I think I think Marcus in a lot of situations
34:15
would do fairly well. But the fact he got put up
34:18
against essentially at this point, like a demigod, yeah,
34:23
yeah, it's a tough one. Unfortunately.
34:26
All right. Then we'll move on to Round 2,
34:31
where Ezio Auditore is going to fight Rico Rodriguez.
34:35
I think we're going to run into a similar problem because this
34:37
is a man from the Renaissance period who's going to be faced
34:41
up against a Spanish man who he who Ezio was already predisposed
34:46
to not like because of the Borgia.
34:49
Yeah, and he's got 2 little blades on his wrists and this
34:52
man is coming at him with a wing suit, jetpack, machine guns.
34:55
Yeah, no, no brows to hide in, nothing to, you know, no, no
35:00
peaks to climb up and jump off and assassinate his target.
35:03
I Ezio is fucked outside of cover essentially.
35:08
Damn dude, Rico's really going. Rico's going.
35:12
Places. Rico's the guy.
35:13
Rico has to win this like. You know what Rico is just some
35:16
guy. He's just a guy.
35:18
But his the equipment he has like he dies quickly in the NCO
35:22
was just he died quickly. He is just.
35:24
He's just. Chaos Batman, anything like he
35:28
just hasn't heard him? Describe that way.
35:30
But yeah, that's very accurate. Like he there's no parkour here.
35:34
There's no parkour, there's no height.
35:39
Yeah, Ezio's dead, dude. Instant.
35:41
Ezio's dead unless he wants to as much as I.
35:43
Like Ezio, well Ezio, does he have smoke bombs?
35:46
Cuz you think you guys think he could do anything with those?
35:49
I think there's a chance for Ezio if he drops a smoke bomb
35:53
immediately Rico flies into it lands, then Ezio might have
35:57
because if he. Rico might just sit up there and
35:59
go. If he can get behind, yeah.
36:01
But I also think if Rico saw a smoke bomb, he would deploy the
36:04
parachute and just shoot a rocket into it.
36:07
Yes. Yeah, that's.
36:08
Deploy a parachute or just shoot into the smoke.
36:12
Yeah, he wouldn't really. Eventually he's going to hit
36:14
something. Yeah, no, that's Ezio's not
36:16
going to have the stamina. I mean I know in the game but he
36:19
is a like a teenager in Italy. I think if it's not.
36:24
Going to know what's going on. I think if it's a close quarters
36:26
fight Ezio would probably kick his ass, but that is not going
36:30
to happen. Yeah, if it ever got it was hand
36:32
to hand or something like that, right.
36:34
Or it was like Ezio. Is pretty young.
36:36
If this was some arena that had like buildings and such, I would
36:41
have absolutely. Ezio would have a very good
36:43
chance. But you can't cover the open
36:45
field. I mean Roman Colosseum style.
36:48
Yeah, he's coming. Yeah.
36:50
No, it's not good for him, unfortunately.
36:53
Sorry, Ezio. Yeah.
36:55
Sorry, bud. Yeah, Ezio.
36:57
It would have been kind of sucks.
36:59
In the semi finals on this side is crazy.
37:02
Had had a good time with you when I was a child Ezio.
37:04
It was a good good memories bud. Good game, you're dead.
37:09
But you did. There was some debate about
37:11
which assassin to choose, but I don't think it would have
37:15
mattered against Rico. No, and I think Etsy it was a
37:18
good choice honestly. A lot of people said Connor,
37:21
which I would agree. Connor.
37:23
Too one too. Yeah, But, you know, I mean,
37:27
that's like, it's just another thing of a guy who's never seen
37:30
anything like this. Like, he's going to be like
37:32
Connor. Connor, though, he would react.
37:34
He'd be like, what is this? Like why?
37:35
You should have just threw Desmond in there, that'd been
37:38
funny. Why is your musket shoot so
37:40
fast? This is he goes.
37:41
This is crazy. I don't think any of them even
37:44
stand because I think at this point in mid game, every one of
37:46
them would have a gun too, like at some in some form, like a
37:49
primitive, you know, like a like an older gun.
37:51
But I don't think it would have made a difference because yeah,
37:53
you have a machine gun. It doesn't even matter.
37:54
It's a rock. He's also got body armor on too.
37:56
Rico's already wearing body armor.
37:58
So right now, Rico doesn't actually.
38:00
Rico usually just wears a leather jacket like he's pretty.
38:03
It's Kevlar though, I thought. It it might be in the in the
38:07
third. Story reasons.
38:09
Yeah, yeah. It's a good to give you a
38:10
reason. Yeah, unfortunately, I think
38:13
they all they all do. Yeah, well, that's too bad.
38:17
When I saw him go on here initially, I was like, man,
38:20
that's a interesting. I just had him.
38:21
And then as we start going through it, I'm like, you know
38:23
what? He he probably wipes the floor
38:27
with a lot of these motherfuckers.
38:29
He can get him from a distance, but I think he's going to run
38:31
into trouble when he's fighting somebody with like there's
38:34
somebody who has the force or. He's about to be fucked with
38:39
here. We don't.
38:40
Know what? The happened.
38:41
Yeah, something. What do you mean we don't know?
38:42
We do know it's Kirby. We know what's going to happen.
38:44
Yeah, buddy. Get this, I know you know what
38:47
bastard out of here. I think the Sarin 2 could beat
38:50
Kirby this, but Kirby has the thing where he could just like
38:55
inhale infinitely. Yes, it never.
38:58
Stopped and then like as soon as the Sarn 2 gets close enough to
39:00
do something he's shooting that all back out with the like the
39:03
big triple star and the Sarn 2 is going to get just destroyed.
39:07
By that, yeah, yeah, it's. Kirby is a bastard, didn't he?
39:13
What's this? Is there a way to?
39:15
Is there a way to kill or banish Kirby?
39:18
Is that a possible? Not until the 2nd bracket gets
39:22
decided. You could.
39:23
I mean, definitely someone could kill Kirby.
39:26
I think there's a chance he gets taken out on this side.
39:30
Oh, it depends. I can see one person.
39:32
I can see like two people who I think could do it.
39:35
There's I think three people that could maybe give them.
39:38
Three, yeah, yeah, one's dead. 1 doesn't have a shot.
39:41
Looks like kinda anyways. Looks like the next one's going
39:45
to be Rico Rodriguez then. So Kirby will move on and the
39:50
Sauron to return to Awa. Yeah, Thank you.
39:53
Goodbye. He's so.
39:56
He's so bitter. He's so.
39:57
Mad. He's so mad that one teenager
39:59
managed to to kill your hero Gordon Freeman.
40:03
He is my hero. You're.
40:05
Not so mad to me. You're mad.
40:06
You're dead. To be fair, I think to be fair,
40:08
I think they would have killed him too if they fought.
40:11
Hell no, don't go down, bro. You don't wanna go down.
40:13
I just wanna piss you off. I just wanna piss you off.
40:15
I just wanna piss. You don't take left when you
40:17
should have taken a right. Let's let's continue.
40:20
I think Kelly from Last of Us 2 might kill Gordon because of her
40:24
unresolved daddy issues. Anyway, Cal test this versus
40:28
Cloud Strife 2 sword guys. I don't know.
40:31
Does a lightsaber cut through the Buster sword?
40:34
I would assume it probably does. I would say it does too.
40:38
I mean, it's Cal Might. Happen.
40:39
At the end of the day it's still metal and no matter what kind of
40:43
spells and bullshit crowd Cloud Strife can do mid game, I think
40:49
Cloud is dead here. Like if it was end game I think
40:52
it'd be a little bit more interesting conversation, but a
40:56
fucking Jedi versus a a soldier from yeah I Cloud's bad ass.
41:04
I think Cal's got him on this though.
41:07
I think he just force pushes cloud around at this point.
41:10
He could force push, force choke and throw the fucking
41:14
lightsaber, destroy the Buster sword, destroy Cloud if he just
41:18
flings that lightsaber at him and Cloud doesn't all the way.
41:21
I think it would be a interesting fight.
41:24
Like I think it would be a good fight.
41:25
It's not going to be like a quick one and done type of
41:29
thing. Like I I think Cloud puts up a
41:30
pretty good fight for a while, but I mean once once the Buster
41:33
stored inevitably gets cut into pieces I think Cal has them
41:39
there. Yeah, if, if Cal cuts through
41:42
the Buster's sword on the 1st strike, Cloud's not going to
41:46
know what to do. He's, he's like, well, that was
41:48
all I had, right? That's my thing, this is over.
41:51
It's like my whole thing. Yeah, yeah, cloud, cloud, cloud
41:56
could have definitely gone some some places here, but again,
42:00
yeah, a fucking Jedi, man. Yeah.
42:03
That lightsaber is kind of hard to beat.
42:05
Yeah. Yeah, and I don't think, I think
42:07
the lightsaber wouldn't go right.
42:10
It wouldn't go right through the sword.
42:11
I think it would take like one or two hits.
42:13
Yeah, it could actually. Get through the whole thing a
42:16
couple. Hits but because it would like
42:20
give a feedback on the lightsaber like it it would you
42:23
could tell like when they use it to like cut through something
42:25
like it's hard. They can't just slice through
42:28
like a hard material easily. So there is some feedback, but I
42:32
think eventually that that sword is going to break and then it's
42:36
just Cal's just cutting his head off.
42:40
All right, Next up would be Mario versus Cole McGrath.
42:46
He's Mario's going to kick Cole Mcgrath's stupid fucking Wham
42:49
Wham face off of his head, dude. I know.
42:54
God, it's it's tough because this is also like probably the
42:57
worst Mario to pick for A1V1, only because Cappy is like the
43:02
whole thing here, right? Yeah.
43:04
Like if you had, you know, just Super Mario 3 Mario in here
43:10
where he gets all the different, you know, abilities.
43:12
And I I think that is probably more convincing.
43:20
But I also still think Mario. I don't know, man, I don't know.
43:25
This is a tough one, right? Like demigod versus fucking
43:29
Mario at this point. He's basically a demigod.
43:32
I I think. You're not wrong.
43:36
I would say he was able to get the jump on Ellie because
43:39
Ellie's like not an enhanced person, but Cole McGrath is is
43:43
enhanced. He has these abilities.
43:45
I think he could catch Mario when he gets close because Mario
43:48
has to get close to him. There's no other option.
43:50
Yeah. I think.
43:53
It's tough. I, I kind of think Cole probably
43:56
takes this again. I think if it was a different
43:58
version of Mario where he could, you know, throw fireballs or
44:01
something like that, I think there's a chance that he could
44:05
probably hold up against Cole. But also Cole can control
44:08
elements so I guess he just fucking throws fireballs.
44:11
Back. Well, I need to look and see
44:13
what Cole's powers are. So I picked I picked Mario
44:16
Odyssey Mario because Mario's standard kit would not include
44:21
the fire flower, would not include a Tanooki suit.
44:24
It would just be him. Yeah, that's a tricky this how
44:27
do you. Yeah, this version of Mario
44:30
seemed to have the most options. So he has electromagnetism,
44:35
weather control, napalm, cryokinesis.
44:39
Are we really still discussing this?
44:42
Festival of Blood. He would just kill him with
44:45
magic. They're not the.
44:45
Festival of Blood, that's a whole different thing.
44:47
But like, yeah, yeah. He's dead.
44:50
Takes this. Sorry, Mario.
44:51
Yeah, sorry Mario. Another castle.
44:54
Well, she's with Bowser, buddy. Yeah.
44:57
All right, Luigi always wanted her to just say.
44:59
This will be the last round. Nah, Luigi wants Daisy dog.
45:03
I think he's. I think he's greedy, I think.
45:06
He wants. I think Luigi is greedy.
45:08
Yeah, I think he wants it. Both ways, I think Luigi can do
45:10
what he want. He, he's, he's spent a whole
45:13
like I love week in that Haunted Mansion.
45:16
Yeah, I hate that Haunted Mansion.
45:18
Yeah, he, he, he just needs a break.
45:21
Next we're going to have Rico Rodriguez versus Kirby.
45:26
Oh God damn dude, I. Now I think potentially Rico
45:30
could do it if he overwhelms Kirby with.
45:34
Projections, explosives. I was going to say, could Rico
45:38
technically get sucked into the belly of the beast here And just
45:44
yeah, think. So.
45:45
Buck fucking wild I didn't feel. Like stuff because.
45:48
Kirby is like. I'm looking.
45:51
At it inside of court Kirby. But we don't.
45:54
We don't know what happens when you go in when you go in Kirby.
45:58
I always know, I said. I mean you you could essentially
46:03
like. It's not good.
46:04
It's not good. Let's imagine.
46:06
Let's imagine this is essentially like going into a
46:09
bag of holding. I got this.
46:11
I got support. There's phones and dead people
46:15
and. I got this.
46:17
I got this. Inside Kirby's mouth is a
46:19
powerful, potentially potentially infinite void or
46:23
pocket dimension that acts like a black hole capable of
46:26
consuming objects much larger than themself.
46:29
Once inhaled, enemies and items are either instantly digested
46:33
for energy, converted into star shaped projectiles for spitting,
46:37
or trigger copy abilities to transform Kirby.
46:41
I'm going to help Kirby into my DND campaign.
46:44
Leon felt not. You guys will have to fight
46:48
Kirby. That's the final.
46:49
So when you get sucked up by Kirby, you basically go to the
46:53
the sunken place. Kirby is horrifying and Can you
46:57
imagine what a real life? It's just a little.
46:59
Guy like too like he has to be just.
47:02
I think it would look like silicon, probably real.
47:04
Question. Then you know what I mean.
47:06
If Rico gets sucked in by Kirby here, then is Rico's grappling
47:11
hook strong enough to beat the force of the black hole and pull
47:14
himself out? I think inherently no.
47:16
No. Instantly digested possibly?
47:19
He's dead. Well, in in our case, it's the
47:22
Smash Ultimate 1. So when you do a copyability,
47:25
there's no, you can't just swallow someone and they die.
47:30
That's fair, because that would be the obvious answer for this.
47:33
But because otherwise Kirby just takes this entire thing.
47:37
Yeah, otherwise Kirby, just like.
47:38
Doesn't matter how much of A badass you are on that right
47:41
hand side there. Like if Kirby can ingest you
47:44
when you're dead, you're fucked. Yeah, this way Kirby can't do
47:48
that. I it's hard to quantify his
47:53
power in this instance then. Like if if he has to spit you
47:57
out eventually, yeah. What kind of damage, whether
48:03
that be physical or psychological?
48:06
I'd say it happens definitely. Oh, you're inside you definitely
48:10
he because you're first you're dazed, like you're stunned.
48:13
You don't know what just happened.
48:14
And then you look up and this creature now looks slightly like
48:18
you and encourage a mind rape. He's got like the wingsuit now.
48:23
Yeah, and a grappling. Gun and the grappling gun.
48:26
I posit. And Rico's never fought anybody.
48:28
Else I was going to say, well, I was also going to say I think
48:33
Rico has never experienced such love, crafty and horrors beyond
48:38
his comprehension. So like, like he's he's used to
48:41
dealing with like gangs on like in like an island nation, like
48:45
he's not used to dealing with this, this pink orb that just
48:49
ingested him and then spits him back out.
48:52
He's gonna now looks like, and now looks a little like him.
48:55
He's gonna he's gonna freak out. He's like, there's a chance that
48:58
Rico just shoots himself. He's like, I'm not dealing with
49:00
no amount of money is gonna make me try and fight this thing.
49:03
I don't think you overwhelm Kirby with the with the
49:05
explosives either. I think he, if he's doing that
49:08
infinite fucking suck thing and those are just going in.
49:10
He spit. Well, he does a thing and it
49:13
sucks everything up around him. Yeah.
49:15
And I think he just does. That, well, it's in a coat.
49:17
Poo poo poo. If you could get him, if you
49:19
could get Kirby from behind, but like, I think he would just look
49:23
up, open his mouth and he would just inhale anything.
49:27
I just, I think he can just kind of move and that sucks.
49:32
Rico made it far. And Rico didn't.
49:34
He did. He did.
49:35
And then he met fucking Kirby. Dude.
49:39
Oh. All right, Kirby, Cal Castis
49:42
versus Cole McGrath. This is a good one.
49:46
I'm going to say Cal on this one.
49:51
I'm trying to decipher in my head which path Cole has gone
49:56
down because you can go down good path or bad path leading to
50:01
different abilities. I believe it's been a miss.
50:04
I've played infamous. I I would say, for the sake of
50:06
this list, let's say good, because these are all
50:10
predominantly, I think they're all good guys.
50:13
They're. All heroes, more or less.
50:14
Yeah, they're all well. It's because we picked
50:16
protagonists only, so yeah, OK that.
50:18
Makes sense. Is the.
50:20
Good guy. Yeah, I would say for his, for
50:22
the purpose of this, I would say good path.
50:25
His abilities are still good, like they're great abilities the
50:29
further down you get, no matter which path you go down.
50:33
Fuck. So in terms of the battle here,
50:35
I'm thinking Cole's faster. I'm assuming he can run quicker
50:40
than Cal can at this point in their respective.
50:43
Games. Well, Cole is also big on
50:46
traversal. That's what I mean.
50:48
Cal is not really. There's not that much not.
50:50
A straight line though Cole is like parkour up buildings and
50:56
like grinding and like jumping off his shit yeah, but not like.
50:59
Really is can he not use any of his powers to enhance his
51:02
movement? He can.
51:03
He, he can. It's like you, you know, it was
51:06
good for this, John. You would, you would.
51:08
He would jump. And like, just.
51:09
Yeah. No, he would, yeah.
51:10
Cole was John's suggestion. Yeah, he could.
51:13
He could move pretty fast. I think he can.
51:16
I think Cal is faster than what we're giving him credit here
51:20
though. I also he he's a Jedi.
51:23
He's faster than your average. A normal person.
51:26
Sure, Yeah. I also think Cal can block
51:29
something incoming until Cole gets to him and then again he's
51:32
just getting sliced up by the lightsaber.
51:35
I think force powers here are a big part of it too, like but.
51:40
Then you got Kohl's powers too, which, yeah, can range what?
51:44
Would he have at this? Question.
51:46
We don't really know like we know what what Cal has, but
51:48
like. Trying to figure that God damn
51:55
it's been so long since I've played an infamous game.
51:58
It would have been so much easier to just do end game kids
52:01
just for the sake of being like but it would have been a very
52:05
challenge. 1 sided for like the RPG type games.
52:08
The problem is sometimes characters get something at the
52:12
end of the game that just makes them go crazy overpowered, so we
52:16
had. To yeah, find that middle ground
52:19
a little bit. It's just easier to find that
52:20
information, right? Like, yeah, it's a lot harder to
52:23
find what you have mid game in in something.
52:27
There's really. Yeah, I.
52:28
Don't yeah, I he has precision so it's like a sniper electric
52:33
bolt type thing and that I don't think really matters to Cal
52:36
because he can just like you said, you just.
52:39
Cal can. Like, I think you just mean his
52:41
reflexes are obviously enhanced. Yeah, it's faster than normal.
52:47
He has force powers. He has a lightsaber.
52:52
He doesn't have a blaster in that game, does he?
52:54
He. Hasn't.
52:54
No, he doesn't get that one. Yeah.
52:56
And it's a it's a single bladed lightsaber, I believe.
52:59
Yes, at this point in the game, yeah, it would only be the one.
53:02
Time he can. I can't remember.
53:05
Can he throw his lightsaber? Yeah.
53:07
He could throw his. Lightsaber pretty early on, I
53:09
think, yeah. OK, I couldn't remember, it's
53:11
been a while, but. Yeah, that's a, that's a
53:13
somewhat early ability I think they give you.
53:15
So he can throw. So he's got range still, yeah.
53:19
He can, he can throw the lights here.
53:20
So that's what I thought is could is, is Cole able to
53:23
manipulate that being thrown at him in any way?
53:25
Like could he? He could.
53:27
He could like shock and like use.
53:30
Like maybe turn it off or something like that so it
53:32
doesn't. Do anything?
53:33
Yeah, maybe. I mean, but like it's.
53:34
Lightning by the Force. Yeah, please, please turn off.
53:38
Hit the button. Please, please, please.
53:40
I just don't think Cole wins this fight unless Cole is able
53:43
to maneuver it because like I said, he could use I think the
53:45
electromagnetic powers he has to push himself up, like up and
53:52
around. But I just don't think you're
53:54
beating a Jetta. Cattle can do that with the
53:56
force. Exactly.
53:57
So they're, so it's it's actually.
53:59
Evenly matched, This is actually probably one of the better
54:02
matchups we've had so. Far, yeah, it's pretty good.
54:05
He's basically just human Jedi Cole.
54:07
Yeah, untrained. I mean, more or less, yeah.
54:10
Yeah. Yeah.
54:11
I mean, I think at the at the end of the day, I think Cal wins
54:13
this because he's got the lightsaber.
54:15
I think if it. Was and I think the.
54:16
Fight like. I think Cal has better training
54:19
as. Well, he does.
54:20
He's more. He's more better.
54:21
He's better tempered than Cole. And that said, he had does not
54:24
have a lot of training like. He does not, no.
54:26
Yeah, he's mostly killed when he was a boy, but.
54:29
Cole, but Cole's also basically just a guy too for quite a while
54:34
and even in infos too, he's like been like the hero or the
54:37
villain, in this case the hero, but he's he's not had any sort
54:40
of Jedi training. Yeah, Cal, I forget Cal is was
54:44
raised as a he was raised as a Jedi.
54:48
Yeah. So yeah, he's 66.
54:51
Cal's going to take that. Great.
54:53
And that will bring us to the last fight of the left side.
54:59
Oh God. Versus where Kirby fights Cal
55:02
cast us. Now I'm just going to put it out
55:05
there. Cal Kestis does have a somewhat
55:09
sort of a stun ability. He could lock Kirby up and then
55:12
potentially get him with the lightsaber also.
55:15
It really just depends. Sucked up.
55:17
Could he lightsaber? Hit him with the lightsaber.
55:19
Hold it open. As he's going through like so I
55:22
think. Like a rancor.
55:23
If anything hurt Kirby while he was inhaling it be a light Saber
55:28
then then it wouldn't be work. But I think it's if Cal, like,
55:31
sticks his arm out and he can hit Kirby on the way in, I
55:34
think. I mean, we don't know what
55:36
Kirby's made out of. What would happen?
55:40
We know that Kirby can briefly catch on fire because.
55:42
The souls of everyone he has inhaled.
55:47
Yeah, I I think if Kirby gets him like, like sucked in and
55:54
then copied or whatever, Kirby would have a lightsaber and now
55:57
it's a lightsaber battle. Oh my God.
56:00
With Kirby. Oh no.
56:03
But then that goes back to Cal has training.
56:06
Kirby has ever seen a light sink?
56:08
Yeah, but Kirby knows how to use it.
56:10
Oh yeah, he does. I forgot.
56:11
Yeah, that's true. I'm just curious what happens
56:13
to. Copies.
56:15
And I don't think Cal would necessarily be phased by Kirby.
56:18
He would see that. I don't think so.
56:19
Whatever. No, he wouldn't be.
56:21
He's seen some pretty fucked up shit.
56:22
Especially disadvantage to Cal then.
56:25
I'm just curious. What happens to Cal Kirby?
56:26
I'm. Just curious what happens to Cal
56:28
because if he's holding his lightsaber up like this as he
56:31
goes in and like his bottom half goes in, that's the your bottom,
56:35
your bottom half is in is in the black hole.
56:37
What happens if you cut through? Like what?
56:39
Happened. Are you all well this time?
56:40
If you're in the black hole, you.
56:41
Can't. I think we had to.
56:43
Yeah, we had. To it's because it's the black
56:45
hole a little. Bit yeah, yeah for the the smash
56:48
aspect of. It could I, yeah.
56:50
Oh, go on, Evan, Sorry. No, I think that.
56:52
I mean, I again, I, I've never played it, so I don't know
56:55
anything about Kirby. I think that the lightsaber,
56:57
though, is the yeah, like you guys said, the only thing that
56:59
could really hurt Kirby. So.
57:02
You guys removed Kratos, but you left Kirby.
57:06
I didn't think we didn't take Kirby's because much of A
57:08
motherfucker. No one thought Kirby's going to
57:11
be like this dude. I didn't.
57:12
I forgot that I'm. Just giving you a shit.
57:15
Could could Cal because Jedi's people often in situations where
57:20
that feel unbeatable, go let's just do the craziest thing and
57:24
couldn't Cal just go with the flow while being sucked in and
57:27
then just like Saber out while being sucked in?
57:32
I think Cal, I was going to say I think Cal has the one ability
57:36
that using the force that could potentially get him out of.
57:42
Kerbys push. Back he could literally just
57:44
lower Derby up. Kirby's suck range has a has a
57:47
Oh yeah. Dude.
57:49
But Cal just can't keep him frozen forever.
57:53
Yeah, this is. True.
57:54
It's the timing has to be just right.
57:56
But he could but even force push himself to the side of of said
58:01
range too, because it's like a. Cone, right?
58:03
Yeah, it's a cone. Yeah.
58:04
But even if Kirby gets him, it's a lightsaber battle.
58:07
And I think Cal might. I mean, they're, they're it's,
58:12
it's a really interesting one because if Kirby gets him, he
58:15
has his knowledge, like he'll know everything, yes.
58:19
This is true. That would be.
58:21
Quite that would be quite the fight.
58:23
He's he's, he's, he's made out of like a pliable.
58:28
He's, he's not, he's like gum. He's bubble gum bro.
58:31
I think no matter what, though, Cal has the advantage of like
58:38
even his his body has been doing this longer.
58:40
He probably, he's definitely more prepared for it and he's
58:44
got like the rage because he's just seen this thing copy him,
58:50
you know? Is that disadvantage for a good
58:52
Jedi though? To give into the hate, maybe.
58:55
I mean and this. Is well, we know that Carol is
58:57
not about. Killing.
58:58
It's about killing whatever's in front of you.
59:00
So I mean, if he has to tap into the dark side to do that, to
59:03
kill Kirby, I think he would. Can't.
59:05
Why is Kirby this bad dude? Can't the like frog thing E to
59:10
you momentarily? You're talking about fucking?
59:14
What's his name? Oh, Ogdo.
59:17
Ogdo. Yeah.
59:19
I I think you can like moment. SoCal's seen this shit before.
59:24
Cal's probably been inside the mouth of a creature before.
59:28
It's not. I don't think it's going to face
59:29
him. It's just going to piss him off
59:31
when he comes out. And Kirby's holding a small
59:34
version of his lightsaber and wearing.
59:36
And has red hair now. Yeah, Kirby's.
59:38
Going to say his. In a pawn.
59:40
Show and from there I feel like it's a lightsaber battle and I
59:44
think Cal would beat him. I I think Cal has this, yeah.
59:48
I think Cal beats Kirby. I would never have.
59:51
I think he's. This Cal is slain.
59:52
The great enemy failed. I'm.
59:54
Going to be that guy on jury duty who goes.
59:57
I'm not convinced. OK, I was here all night.
1:00:00
What's got pitch? We're already in an hour.
1:00:03
Make your pitch. I I just want to be difficult.
1:00:06
I think Cal beats Kirby. You son of a bitch.
1:00:11
Damn, this is a this was a good one.
1:00:14
I That's good, ha. He finally was failed.
1:00:18
He's finally. Failed.
1:00:19
He's finally. Failed.
1:00:21
It had to be the man from space that has seen horrors greater
1:00:25
than Kirby. This next coming up list is so.
1:00:29
So this is a little heads up for what we got coming up next time,
1:00:33
whenever that may be. There's some there, we got some.
1:00:36
There's some interesting and some silly looking matchups
1:00:40
here. Go through it.
1:00:42
Well, obviously we're going to have semi bot versus Titus,
1:00:46
Snake versus BJ, Niko, Bellic versus the Master Chief.
1:00:51
It's all fucked. Arthur Morgan versus Sam
1:00:54
Bridges, Doomslayer versus Isaac Link versus Robert Robertson,
1:01:01
and this is my favorite one for some reason.
1:01:03
I'm really excited to get into this one.
1:01:05
Nathan Drake versus Jason Brody. That is an entirely you guys
1:01:09
conversation. I.
1:01:10
Don't that's. Shit to add to that.
1:01:11
One that is such a great, that is such a great matchup.
1:01:14
There. It's a possible versus a dude.
1:01:16
It is a dude versus a dude. Yeah.
1:01:18
Exactly there. There are plenty.
1:01:22
I'm. Going And also Jin Sakai, Yeah.
1:01:24
I was going to say we have to mention that Jin Sakai from
1:01:26
Ghost has a bi. And then we'll face the winner
1:01:30
of Nathan Drake and Jason Brody. Jin might get through pretty far
1:01:35
here, but what I'm seeing. In this I want Jin to fight
1:01:39
links so bad. Can you imagine that?
1:01:41
I'm going to fight for it. There's a chance I I feel like.
1:01:44
There's no. Chance, probably, yeah, there's
1:01:47
not a chance. I don't know.
1:01:48
I'm going to make a fight for Link to at least get to second
1:01:51
round, but. Yeah, and link is going.
1:01:52
To get out of second round. Because because second first
1:01:57
round for. Yeah.
1:01:59
Well, you're going to save it for next week, you got to say.
1:02:01
We can't. We can't say yeah, I can't.
1:02:03
Talk about it. There's a couple unstoppable
1:02:04
forces here, dude. And there's, I'm looking at the
1:02:07
list. Pissed off guy, pissed off guy.
1:02:10
No emotions, no emotions. Super most angriest guy ever.
1:02:15
A guy with tuberculosis. Two chilled dudes, yeah.
1:02:19
Isaac. Isaac's got.
1:02:20
Middle age. Psychosis going on like he's,
1:02:23
he's mentally not well, he's seeing shit.
1:02:29
Why this again? Why?
1:02:31
Yeah, there's. And just that then guy who
1:02:33
booked the worst freakation of his life.
1:02:36
It, yeah, there's fuck man, there's there's gonna be like 3
1:02:41
bloodbaths and then it's gonna get really hard, yeah.
1:02:45
Yeah, yeah, it is. God damn well I'll have to wait
1:02:48
till. Next time.
1:02:50
Yeah, dude, Hopefully we can get this next episode rolling
1:02:53
shortly. This is Yeah we can make
1:02:56
infinite episodes with this shit dude.
1:02:58
Yeah. And then we can, you know.
1:02:59
Billions version of this. Yeah, we can expand the rule a
1:03:02
little. Bit you son of a bitch.
1:03:05
You son of a bitch, dude. Yeah, dude.
1:03:09
All right. No one.
1:03:11
Yes. Thank you this is this was
1:03:14
great. Hey thank you I think this is
1:03:16
really fun. You can I just made this bracket
1:03:18
like I threw this together in an evening.
1:03:21
This is something you can do with your friends like I
1:03:26
mentioned like something like this and our whole channel was
1:03:30
just like chatting like rambling conversation for like half an
1:03:35
hour at least. It's great on this stuff.
1:03:37
I it's really good. This this kind of thing is
1:03:39
really fun to do. I highly recommend you can do
1:03:42
this with anything. I highly recommend it.
1:03:44
No, this is this is perfect. I'm, I'm, I'm almost pissed that
1:03:48
it took us this long and somebody with some sort of drive
1:03:50
that is now podcasting with us regularly to go.
1:03:54
Yeah, this. And we went, oh, yeah, we should
1:03:56
have done that. So I think Brody's called for it
1:03:59
a few times, but we're finally doing it.
1:04:01
There's more of these types of episodes in the pipeline too,
1:04:04
looking at our list of topics. So.
1:04:06
Oh, yeah. Thank you, Noah.
1:04:07
This is great. Thank you, Brody and Evan for
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also hopping on tonight to do this episode.
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Yeah dude, I can't wait to release this video.
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Can't relate to releases episode.
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Thank you all for tuning in. Please e-mail us at
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beyond@gmail.com. Let us know your picks, what you
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would have chosen differently or if we are wrong.
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Just if if you don't even got to give us your choice, tell us if
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we're fucking wrong. Check out the other shows Roll
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for deception and it came from Scream Box.
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Scream Box screen botch because I botched it Screen box it came
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from screen box really good. I'll check out final boss doc
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