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I Faked Cancer, The Scamanda Doc with Journalist Nancy Moscatiello · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald, Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: You guys, I'm so excited for you to hear this
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  Speaker 2: for our show. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I
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  Speaker 2: have a very juicy one for you. This is about
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  Speaker 2: the show called Scamanda. I've talked about the podcast, and
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  Speaker 2: I have the person who brought it all down, Nancy Moscatello,
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  Speaker 2: who was the investigative reporter, is really your background, and
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  Speaker 2: how you discovered what was going on and really brought
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  Speaker 2: this woman to justice. And I want to ask you
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  Speaker 2: all the things, but just so people know, this is
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  Speaker 2: a really juicy story that involves... Things that I am
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  Speaker 2: fascinated by, liars, grifters, fake cancer. She was the nanny,
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  Speaker 2: then married the boss.
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  Speaker 3: It's got it all, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's got it all, and it's called Scamanda, and it
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  Speaker 2: was a long-form podcast, and now it's on ABC and Hulu,
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  Speaker 2: premiering January 30th. So welcome. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. This is great.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's just tell a little bit about, why
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  Speaker 2: don't you give the little intro of, like, who this
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  Speaker 2: woman was and everything, and then I'll just kind of
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  Speaker 2: tell you what I remember and why I was so
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  Speaker 2: fascinated by the story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Amanda Riley, you know, was a normal, average
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  Speaker 3: mom raising kids, raising, you know, two young boys. And
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  Speaker 3: if you've listened to the podcast, like you did, her
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  Speaker 3: bonus daughter, right, from her husband that she married– stepdaughter
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  Speaker 3: and raising them in the suburbs outside of San Jose, California,
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  Speaker 3: attending church every Sunday, very, very active in her church
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  Speaker 3: and in her community up there. And she was diagnosed
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  Speaker 3: with cancer in 2012 and became, I guess what you would,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, nowadays people refer to like, you know, cancer
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  Speaker 3: influencers or stuff on TikTok or in different places where
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  Speaker 3: they you know, document their journey.
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  Speaker 2: Their whole journey. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so she started doing that in a blog back
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  Speaker 3: in 2012. So way ahead of social media as we
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  Speaker 3: know it now. You know, she had an Instagram and
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  Speaker 3: she had a Facebook and she would post on there also.
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  Speaker 3: But her blog was kind of where if you lived
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  Speaker 3: in the community or you knew of her or were
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  Speaker 3: touched by her story because she got pressed back then,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the community, you would follow along. And
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  Speaker 3: it was this years-long journey of her going in and
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  Speaker 3: out of remissions.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I was just fascinated by it. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to me, completely unforgivable, horrible person. She never had cancer.
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: And there's so many layers to this story. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: how she came into the family, I felt didn't get
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  Speaker 2: enough freak out as far as like the breadth of
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  Speaker 2: like the whole show. And that was she was a
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  Speaker 2: nanny for a couple.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: So she was brought in. So there was a couple,
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  Speaker 3: Alita and Corey. And Alita had children from a previous marriage.
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  Speaker 3: And one of them, the one daughter, Jamie, had cancer.
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  Speaker 3: And so when she married Corey and then they had
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  Speaker 3: their daughter together, the older daughter, Jamie, had cancer. And
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  Speaker 3: so they brought Amanda in, who was in college, a
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  Speaker 3: freshman in college nearby in San Jose, to help with
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  Speaker 3: cheerleading and like fun stuff at home. Somebody she could
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  Speaker 3: be with because the child couldn't be out in public with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, during the cancer treatments. So yeah, so they
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  Speaker 3: brought her in that way. And she was, came really
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  Speaker 3: close to the family. I mean, she was involved with
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  Speaker 3: birthday parties and going on the boat and anything they
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  Speaker 3: did as a family, you know, Amanda was someone that
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  Speaker 3: was brought into the family.
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  Speaker 2: And then I, like I said, I don't think they
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  Speaker 2: covered it enough and I don't know how much you can,
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  Speaker 2: if you were like, when did the, their marriage end
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  Speaker 2: and the romance between the nanny that you brought in
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  Speaker 2: when she was only 19 years old and Corey start
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  Speaker 2: to develop?
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  Speaker 3: So it's, It's a little unclear, but it's somewhere. There's
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  Speaker 3: a gray area, let's say that. So, I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: do think it was after the marriage dissolved or there
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  Speaker 3: was problems because there was other, Corey had multiple women
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  Speaker 3: apparently at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he did?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think things were found out later on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: as time went on. But at that point, they had
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  Speaker 3: broken up. They had separated rather quickly. And then Amanda
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  Speaker 3: came back. Because she had finished school, so she was
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  Speaker 3: around during all that time, four years of college. She
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  Speaker 3: had moved back to Southern California briefly. And then when
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  Speaker 3: she came back up is when it kind of was
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  Speaker 3: launched as this relationship. So when at first, you know, Alita,
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  Speaker 3: as she discussed in the podcast, she was like, oh, great,
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  Speaker 3: I know Amanda. Like, whatever, I'm over him. Like, that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: At least there's someone that I can trust with my daughter.
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  Speaker 3: So the one daughter that they had together, of course,
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  Speaker 3: they shared custody with.
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  Speaker 2: So then they get together and she... And so they
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  Speaker 2: have the one daughter that they share custody with. It
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  Speaker 2: was Alita, the first wife's older daughter.
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  Speaker 3: That had cancer.
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  Speaker 2: That had cancer. And at that point, she had recovered
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  Speaker 2: or she was in remission?
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  Speaker 3: She took about a year or so after, I think,
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  Speaker 3: Amanda came into the family.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And she's doing great now.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So they get married. Yeah. And she has the two
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  Speaker 2: boys before she ever starts saying something's wrong with her?
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  Speaker 5: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: So when... Corey and Amanda got together. There was no cancer.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they had met. It was when they wanted
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  Speaker 3: custody of Jessa, which is the daughter. As Amanda always
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  Speaker 3: referred to her, the bonus daughter. That thing started to
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  Speaker 3: deteriorate very, very quickly for the family. So that's when
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  Speaker 3: there was a huge custody battle ensued. And then during
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  Speaker 3: that time is when Amanda was... diagnosed with cancer.
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  Speaker 2: So the story is just crazy in that she switches,
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  Speaker 2: goes to multiple churches, does all these things, and it's
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  Speaker 2: all going on. What I didn't understand was why, at
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  Speaker 2: least in the podcast, why Alita, the mom of Jesse, Jesse?
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  Speaker 4: Jessa.
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  Speaker 3: Jessa.
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  Speaker 2: Jessa. wasn't more furious.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, she was furious. It was a really trying time. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when I found Alita or learned about the story, right,
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  Speaker 3: because remember, she's diagnosed in 2012. She was in the
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  Speaker 3: community for about three years before I even, she was
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  Speaker 3: even on my radar. So she had three years of
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  Speaker 3: being in this situation with Alita and her husband, Corey,
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  Speaker 3: like trying to get custody, trying to make Alita's life
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  Speaker 3: a living hell, which she did. When I finally reached
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  Speaker 3: Alita in 2015, she had just lost custody. She had
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  Speaker 3: lost custody for a handful of months by then and
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  Speaker 3: was in the process of desperately trying to get back.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she had to go through the whole, like,
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  Speaker 3: supervised visitation. Like, it was a very drawn-out situation.
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  Speaker 2: Because there was just lies and things brought up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, when you go back in the court
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  Speaker 3: records like I did and you read the transcripts from
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  Speaker 3: the different judges that handled it. Because I learned a
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  Speaker 3: lot about this particular family court case. Every two years,
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  Speaker 3: you switch a judge and stuff. And the first judge
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  Speaker 3: that they had actually cited a lot of things about
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  Speaker 3: Corey having caused parent alienation towards Alita. So there was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, not him lying in court. They
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  Speaker 3: caught him in so many lies. And then when it
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  Speaker 3: switched cases where a different judge was assigned after the
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  Speaker 3: first two years is when things kind of took a turn.
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  Speaker 3: And he then got representation from he was representing himself
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  Speaker 3: for so long and he got representation, funny enough, from
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  Speaker 3: a very high ranking member in the church that she was.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about your role. So
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  Speaker 2: what is your background as a journalist? You're an investigator.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm an investigative producer and TV producer. So it
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  Speaker 3: depends on the type of shows and stuff I'm working on.
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  Speaker 3: But I work a lot in true crime. And I
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  Speaker 3: started off back in the day on a TV show
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  Speaker 3: called Hard Copy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love Hard Copy.
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  Speaker 3: So I ran the news.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember every night was about OJ.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I worked the OJ case to nauseam.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wouldn't be the one in the.
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  Speaker 3: Courtroom, let's say, but I'll do all the preps, get
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  Speaker 3: all the interviews, do all the research, pull the stories together,
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  Speaker 3: and then work with the person that would then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: be on air, which, you know, in that aspect. And
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  Speaker 3: I've done that for years. I started at Hard Copy
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  Speaker 3: with Menendez when I first got there, and I was
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  Speaker 3: a desk assistant, and then Amy Fisher and the Buttafuqua, like,
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  Speaker 3: I've worked hordes of cases.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, Amy Fisher.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So when our Hard Copy, let's talk about that for
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  Speaker 2: a minute.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hard Copy was on, like, every night at 7 p.m.,
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  Speaker 2: And with those big high-profile cases that just, oh my gosh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Buttafucos, for those of you guys that don't know,
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  Speaker 2: this is a juicy case out of, was it New Jersey?
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  Speaker 3: New York, Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: Long Island. A couple with two teenage kids. He was,
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  Speaker 2: he ran the car.
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  Speaker 3: Auto body shop.
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  Speaker 2: The auto body shop. And he starts having an affair
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  Speaker 2: with this girl who is 16.
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  Speaker 4: 16.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 2: she goes over to the house one day, the mom
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  Speaker 2: opens the door, his wife, and she shoots her.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Amy Buttafuoco. No, sorry, Amy not, Amy, what was Amy's
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  Speaker 2: last name?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Amy Fisher.
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  Speaker 2: Amy Fisher, and it was Mary Jo Buttafuoco. And it,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like that's going to be, even
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  Speaker 2: though these stories have been regurgitated 50 billion times, there's
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  Speaker 2: probably another Ryan Murphy thing going on in that. Even though,
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  Speaker 2: So that one, they did three made-for-TV movies.
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  Speaker 3: When they used to do the old, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: One was from Amy Fisher's point of view, which I
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  Speaker 2: want to say Drew Barrymore played that one. Then there
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  Speaker 2: was one from Mary Jo and Joey's point of view,
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  Speaker 2: which was, This crazy, obsessed girl. Came out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Came out of nowhere. All he did was fix her dent. Like, what?
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  Speaker 2: And they were high school sweethearts, and they're going to
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  Speaker 2: stay strong together. And then the third made-for-TV movie was
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  Speaker 2: from a reporter's point of view. And they were all competing.
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  Speaker 2: One was on ABC, one was on NBC, one was
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  Speaker 2: on CBS. It was crazy. But I feel like hard
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  Speaker 2: copy would give us the realness of that every week.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you're working on a show like that,
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  Speaker 2: Do the powers that be say like, I don't care
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  Speaker 2: how minuscule element there was a dog walker who knew
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  Speaker 2: Kato the dog or like, I mean, is it just
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  Speaker 2: like every day we need a story about OJ? Like
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  Speaker 2: we need something.
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  Speaker 3: Yes and no. I mean, for us, like we tried
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  Speaker 3: to get stuff that had some substance to it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like for Amy Fisher, people did tons of stories on
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  Speaker 3: Amy Fisher because they slowly released. you know, footage at
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  Speaker 3: the time of her talking. And I think she was
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  Speaker 3: working at a gym and her boyfriend at the time,
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  Speaker 3: it made her look really bad, right? Like talking about, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I like older men or whatever she was
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  Speaker 3: talking about at the time. And then in time, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for Hard Copy, I got the first interview with Amy Fisher.
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  Speaker 3: I went to prison and interviewed her with our correspondent.
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  Speaker 3: And I had been corresponding with her over time. So
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  Speaker 3: like things take time. You know, I'll reach out and say, listen,
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  Speaker 3: she was 16. And I think that got kind of
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  Speaker 3: not glossed over and I listen they called her they
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  Speaker 3: called her the Long Island Lolita they really yes she
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  Speaker 3: shot Mary Jo and I don't condone that at all
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  Speaker 3: but you look back now like she was a 16
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  Speaker 3: year old girl taking her car in to get fixed
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  Speaker 3: and I mean he said you know he convinced her
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  Speaker 3: to do this you know you're.
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  Speaker 2: It's so do you her defense yeah was always that
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  Speaker 2: she just went over to meet her And like.
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  Speaker 3: The gun went off by mistake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the gun went off by mistake.
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  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily.
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  Speaker 2: After you did all the research, what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think he told her to do it or
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  Speaker 2: do you think she did it on her own?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think he told her.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you do?
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  Speaker 3: I think he hinted, you know, it was always like,
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  Speaker 3: if she wasn't in my life, if we could be together,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if only. That goes a long way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And well, I remember I met Mary Jo when her
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  Speaker 2: book came out.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 2: in the book at that point, I read the book
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  Speaker 2: and at that point now she had left him and realized.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then, so in the book, it's all the crazy
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  Speaker 2: shit he did leading up to that point, like with
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  Speaker 2: money and drugs and cheating and driving car, fast cars. And,
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  Speaker 2: and I think she like diagnosed him as kind of
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  Speaker 2: self-diagnosed him as something. I can't remember what it was,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, that was crazy. He was like, trying to
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  Speaker 2: do stand up and just like every night I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: We just saw something new.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They came to L.A. as a family and they broke up.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, that's another one that I'm just still really
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  Speaker 2: obsessed with.
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  Speaker 2: So I know you can't reveal the source of who said, hey.
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  Speaker 2: But how much can you tell us of how someone
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  Speaker 2: directed you towards, like, I think this chick's lying, or
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  Speaker 2: what was that?
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  Speaker 3: The source was really adamant. They had experiences in their
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  Speaker 3: going on. They were able to talk to me at
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: length about it, and then also I was able to
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: talk with others. in the community also to source beyond
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: just them to understand that dynamic and how they.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: The dynamic of like.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Why they knew this was so, that she didn't have cancer.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: And why did they think... What were some of the
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: tips that you can... Or some of the things that
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: they believed weren't true? Because in listening to it, it
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: felt like there was just so much that she put
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I think just by them reading the blog and the
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: fact that she had this Um, very detailed blog about
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: stuff was what is, is kind of what led them
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: to go, okay, it's time. We need to say something. So,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: but they, you'll learn about them in the documentary.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to give too much away because
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: it gets explained better.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: But what was, some of the things that I remember
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: that really stuck out to me was that she would say, um, yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I need these donations, this money. to go to New York,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: to John Hopkins, to get this special treatment. And then
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: she would go and she would post stuff in New York,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: also like, you know, the Band-Aids and all of looking
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: like she got the treatments and things like that. But
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: then what you guys discovered is.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that there were no trips to this hospital.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: No, she was going.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: This is fascinating. Okay, explain that part because that part
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: was confusing. I was like, wait.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: So what I ended up figuring out at the time,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: so it was Columbia, but she did John Hopkins also.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: She had a doctor in John Hopkins too.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: And he was early on that I was able to
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: speak to him directly and I said, can I show
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: you a portion of this blog and like you're discussed
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and you recommended certain things and He answered me right away.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: He's like, I have no idea. I have never consulted
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: on anything like this. Not even name-wise, just the scenario
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: that I set up for him. But with Columbia, she
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: did go. And to, I guess being clever, she did
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: make an appointment. And you can make an appointment. I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: can make an appointment. You can make an appointment and
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: go in and say, hey, I have Hodgkin's lymphoma and
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of changing my treatment plan and I would
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: like a second opinion. And what can you tell me
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: about your facility and the type of trials you do here?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: And you can have a consultation.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: And then I'll be on the books then.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And then you have access to their offices. And then
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you have access to walking around Columbia. Here's a tour. Like, okay,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: so this is where we do our infusions. Here's our
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: lab work.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And they're not asking you to prove it. They're not
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: giving you a blood test. Got it.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I guess when you think about it, they have changed
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: since this all happened. Oh, they have. Oh, absolutely. When
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I contacted them to go, okay. I know you can't
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: tell me about patients and with HIPAA laws. I don't
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: want to know about her. What I want to know
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: about is, and I gave them, again, the details that
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: she would put out to the public. I was there.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: My lung collapsed. I was treated with this. I had
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: this happen. I overnight, she would give a lot of detail.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And I would ask, and on the dates, today I'm
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: here in New York and this happened. And so I
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: would call. And I would say, do you have a
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: patient there today that had their lung collapse in which
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: That is a member of this trial. We're not doing
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: that trial. It was all like... And they knew. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: had sent them the blog and said, can you talk
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: to me about her? They said, well, let's look at
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: what this is. And then they let me know that
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: they changed all their security and all their methods of
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: how they did stuff. They were quite thankful, which I
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: guess I just never... Why would someone think... Why would
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: any place think people are utilizing their facilities for this, right?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: It's just such an odd thing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And then what about... Now, I can't remember, was it
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that she instead went to Broadway plays or that they also,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: people also treated her to a Broadway play?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So she, you know, some friend would say, oh, I
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: know someone that works on, she did Saturday Night Live.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I think her brother knew someone there, so she went
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and watched that. And she went and did.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Under the guise of, my friend is dying of cancer.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's part of it, you know.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And did she do like the shaving, did she shave
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: her head and all that?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Early on, yeah, the beginning of 2012. is when, you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: she posted in the blog, it's like, oh, I have to,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Corey's going to help shave my head. I have cancer.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I don't want it to fall. So she did a
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: whole posting all about that. So yeah, no, she did.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: That was the only time. And then it took, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: then it grew in for the rest of the blog.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: It was slowly, she went and got, she would go
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to services for cancer patients, wigs, makeup. Like if they
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: had a local thing that was like, you know, hey.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: We're donating wigs.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: We're donating this, come to the salon. She would go.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: She would go for the whole thing, and then she
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: would post, you know, on her blog, showing her pictures
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: with all these wigs.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: She became a spokesperson for the Hodgkin lymphoma area up
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: in San Jose. And I let the... And I, you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I reached out. Once it was out there in the
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: community and she knew about me.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And how did she find out about you?
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: She found out... Well, I called. I got to a
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: point where I... The first... I was told that police
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: had been notified at some point from my source.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And when someone reaches out to someone like you, what, yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: you're just doing that. You know, it's paying you to
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: do this at this point. You're doing this because you're like,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: this is a story that could become something. Like, what
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is the goal? Like originally back then, did you think
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: it could be? a podcast, a documentary, a book, or
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you were just like, I'm just so curious and I
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: got to know more? Like, what is it?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: No, I was working on a show at the time
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: called Crime Watch Daily. It's a daily crime show. So
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I always work in television doing different types of true
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: crime stories.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: And so on that type of show, since it was
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: a daily show, we would do one or two stories
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: a night every night for an hour. So we always
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: looked for different stories. And scams are hard to tell
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: visually because So it's always been one of those things.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Our boss at the time was always saying, I want
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: a good scam. I want, you know, a cancer scammer.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: We were like, how do you do? Like, it's hard, right,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: to figure that out because you can't just go on
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: air and say, hey, I'm Nancy, and this woman doesn't
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: have cancer. I see it a lot more now on TikTok,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: people calling people up.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: You can't do that. And I would never want to
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: unless I knew.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I was correct. I feel like American Greed. does it
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: pretty well, but it's more about someone coming to a
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: community and saying they have a big business and taking
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: money from all the old church people and like stuff
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: So that, and that's how it started. So I had
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: posted in a Facebook group, um, about people that were
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: outing people they thought were scammers, right? It's about different things.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: And I posted, I, you know, just as here's who
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I am, this is the show I'm working on. We're
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: launching in September and this is what I'm looking for
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: different types of stories and people that are willing to
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: talk to, you know, understand how to tell these stories.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And that's where the person saw it and reached out
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to me. And they had gone to police. They had said,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: you know, we went to local authorities. We told people.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: And we've never seen it handled. And now this was,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you know, a number of years later. And they were like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: we don't know if anyone's doing anything. So I ended
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: up calling Detective Martinez, and he's part of the financial fraud.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: He was like the one investigator in San Jose. And
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I spoke to him at length and said, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: do you already know about this? Have you been contacted?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And he said, let me look back and see if
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: we've ever. And he's like, no, but I'd like to
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: know more. And so then, you know, I started giving
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: him as much information as I could because it was
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: so egregious watching her post. Like this was all happening
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: in real time.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: You know, she was still actively scamming and still, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: besides taking the money, what she was doing to Alita
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: during that time, they were in.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And out of court so much.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And then, So he had reached out to her, to Amanda, saying, hey,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: here's who I am. And I'm looking into this. And
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: right off the bat, it was, oh, that's just my
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: husband's ex-wife. And she has a friend pretending to be
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: a producer, you know, a TV person. And it's all
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: lies and blah, blah, blah. So that was kind of the,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: so I knew she knew about me during that. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: then Alita, the wife, put it into her court papers.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: She finally said to her, she said, it's more important
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: you get custody back of your daughter and stuff than
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: worrying about me. So, you know, if your attorney wants
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: to mention, hey, there's this investigation or, hey, this is
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: what's going on, help sort this out. By all means,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: you know, do what you want to.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I felt like in all that she was doing,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: because it was like someone, let's talk about some of
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the things that she does, you know. So she joins
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: many different churches. There were like, there were.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Lots of different people. Yeah, kind of after each other.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: She was most.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: mostly in this one particular mega church. And then after
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: that got, after a couple of years of me being
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: involved with that, she moved on to a different community
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: where she became principal of a little Christian school. So,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: but the main church, because she wasn't a religious person
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: at first, Amanda, when we go back and just doing
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: more research of kind of the family and where she
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: comes from, they're not religious. She got involved with that
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: church through an old roommate, from college that was very,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: very active in the church and I think brought her
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: into it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I'm curious because, and maybe you discovered more, what was
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: she like in high school? Were there people that were like, oh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I remember she made up this weird lie at a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: slumber party. What makes somebody become Scamanda?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yes. So we have a little bit more of that
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: in the documentary meeting some of the older friends or
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: people in her past. And it seemed like it was
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: very much You know, white lies for no reason or
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: why they need to maybe exaggerate something or not. You know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: those like small things like that.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I find that just so fascinating. And then you
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: put an element of a, you know, a little bit
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: of fame with it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: You get that. So I do think that social media
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: fame and then.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And then the sympathy and then, oh, now the lie
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: is too far for me to turn back.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what she thought, right? I always
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: laugh about that because it's like, well, is it really
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: too far to turn back? Because you don't have to
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: keep asking for thousands of thousands of dollars or you're
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: going to die, right?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: So that's what she was doing, like GoFundMes?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: No, she was not GoFundMe. She had her own website.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: So GoFundMe wasn't– I don't know if it was a
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: thing then. She didn't have that. So her brothers– she
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: enlisted her family. Her brothers built her a website, a
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Support Amanda website. And that's where people donated. But they
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: donated there. So if they were out of town or
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: they were from wherever, they could. And then through the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: church or just directly to her. And that's where people
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: get– they're always like, oh, gosh, you didn't really raise
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: that much money for all this trouble. That was just
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: what they could charge for. via what they would consider
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: wire fraud via the internet she got plenty more a
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: couple hundred thousand if not more that I tracked just
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: from like so and so did a fundraiser and handed
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: over fifty eight hundred dollars so when she raised money
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: like this is what I'm saying okay it's snowballed then
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you make Christmas ornaments that you're selling for twenty five
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: dollars a piece That.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They believe on it. That are worth a dollar.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: But she's making them and saying, can you buy these?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I need to get this next treatment. You could just
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: make them and hand them out if you want attention, right?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: But the the, the idea that was always for.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Money and that's where it became criminal. Like if she
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: had just lied about it and been a weirdo lying
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: about it, then, then it's not really criminal.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what, that's what it comes down to. And,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: and you know, the, they use cancer for everything. And,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and I, you know, In the court cases for bankruptcy,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: because they declared bankruptcy, as we talked about in the podcast,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: first thing they said was, oh, my wife has terminal
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: cancer and we've spent so much. That's why we have bankruptcy.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And then the bankruptcy, it's $ 160, 000 to $ 180, 000. There was
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: not one medical debt. There was nothing in there. So
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: they would make appointments. We had recordings that bankruptcy court,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: they have public information. You can get some copies when
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: they testify about the initial debt. And, you know, they
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: talk all about, oh, I can't come on this day.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: We're here, Judge, but my wife has a bone marrow
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: transplant on the date you would like us to be
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: here so we can come back. We can't come to court. Like,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: what's that? That's not a snowball.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: At any time when you started, did you always think
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the husband knew? Did you not think the husband knew?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Do you think you discovered halfway through? What is your
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: opinion about the husband's involvement?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: My opinion?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: He absolutely knew.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: From the first moment.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So they thought of it together.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like a perfect storm, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: where that attention stuff was something she dealt with prior.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of her way of being, getting
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: attention and doing whatever it is, being sick about other things.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: And then I think this presented itself. Yeah, because Corey.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Handed in to the courts for the child custody case,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: his income, right, his pay stubs. Seven to eight years
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: of pay stubs, right? And when Alita had me go
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: through stuff, probably towards the four or five years in,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I finally said, let me go through all these pay
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: stubs and stuff. This is crazy. Because he would get
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: a medical hardship, a reduction for child care costs, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: she was paying him for a while.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So she was paying child support.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Alita, yeah, for a little bit. And then when he
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: would submit his pay stubs, the judge gave him a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: medical hardship because he claimed $ 5, 000 or $ 6, 000 a month
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: in medical expenses. And he submitted bills, right? So Alita
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: subpoenaed eight years of pay stubs. After like when we
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: when I figured this out, because I looked at the
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: the stubs and the the the amounts that were taken
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: up for taxes were more than they should be for
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: the amount he was making. So what they found when
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: she got the subpoena back with all the documents from
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: each of the places he worked, the three places over time,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: they were all fake. He submitted eight years of fake
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: pay stubs. So that he would pay less. He would
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: show a lesser income. It's tens of thousands of dollars.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: So he, like, photocopied it for what was he doing?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're completely different. They don't even match the real,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you know, stuff.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Of his real job.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: And so then— Yeah, so that— when someone says, well, you
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: sure he knew?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: For me— So did she have a— you said she started it. Like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: did she do it— In between pregnancies?
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: So she was diagnosed in 2012 before she was, before
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the first child.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: And that was the first child and the miracle baby.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And it was a miracle because she was terminal?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, I misspoke, sorry. She gave birth and
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: then that's when they noticed it, the first child. The
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: second child is the miracle baby.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And that's where I remember a couple of these close
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: church friends were like, wait, how the hell did you
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: get pregnant? You're like, You're like stage four.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stage four. Not only that, she posted on her blog.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: This one's a funny one. Some things I can laugh about.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: At the time, I know people have been through hell
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: with this, but she posted, I'm stage four and I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: have an IUD, but somehow I am pregnant with my
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: miracle child, my second child.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And then where was.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: And then baby was late.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: So there you go. So the daughter was kind of
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: living with them because they were fighting to have custody.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: And why do you think they were so determined to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: have custody of that daughter? And punish Alita like that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: What was the purpose of that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: For me, I think it was twofold. It's, I want
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: what you have, and this is my family, and I'm
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: going to take this over. Because she would crush anything
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: in her path.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Scamanda, Armanda, yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So this was important for her to have this perfect family,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and for her to be this perfect mom and perfect
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: family life. And with that came... They don't have to
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: pay child support if they have custody. Alita has to
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: pay them.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Oh. Yeah.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And what did he do for a living, Corey?
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Fire sprinkler sales and stuff. No, he did well. He
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: did well. He always worked during all this.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And so what is your opinion or what did you
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: find out of, like, what was the day that Did
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: she ever admit to the day that she just decided
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: to say, I'm sharing some really bad news? Was she
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: blogging prior to the cancer stuff, and then one day
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: her entry was, I went to the doctor and I'm scared?
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: No.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: It started with, as many of you may know or heard,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: they weren't sure what was wrong with me, but now
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I know. And basically, once I gave birth... This is
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: what they found out. My numbers were off. My da-da-da.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: They ran some tests. And I have Hodgkin's lymphoma. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: so I will, you know, I will need to start treatment.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: And, you know, then it was the first post. We're
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: all like, oh, I got all these gift baskets. Oh, look,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: everybody's giving me all this stuff.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: So... And then you think that she just loved the attention.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: She couldn't stop.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: She stopped with the lie then.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Because she liked it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: And.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Like... Well, I think, you know... there's, there's, you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: obviously factitious disorder or Munchausen where it's the attention and
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: all that. And I do think that's, that's how things
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: start possibly with her. But then the additional aspect was,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: because it was fairly quickly that it turned to the
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: need for money, not to mention, and then this is,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: she had Kaiser through her husband's work. Like she had insurance.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: So the fact that she was going to all these
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: places supposedly and not Stanford or not, UC San Francisco,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: which are in her backyard.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: So she was going to New York.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: To New York, which involved everybody paying for it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So she could have a fun New York trip. Or whatever.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: She went eight times. Eight times.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: And she did go see Broadway plays and stuff. So
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: that's one hell of a snowball.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: You know, like, you can't stop.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: And that came up in my court case. And I think,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: you know, we talked about it in the podcast.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: So then she comes after you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And tries to, like, Sue you? Or what did she do?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for civil harassment, trying to get a restraining order. Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: and that was, this was a, you know, she had,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: she knew about the investigation.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Why are these scammer grifter types like Dirty John and
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: stuff so good with that? Like, they do the legal abuse. Like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: how do they even know?
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Like, I think that she was really kind of backed
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: in a corner, I think, in her mind. Like, this
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: has got, because she had moved on to the new,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: she became principal, which As soon as I heard that,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, hell no. So I called.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Did she have a teaching degree?
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: So she has a bachelor's, yes.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: And then I believe now, many years later, I think
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: she also did an online like for a master's.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: And then you found out she was teaching at a— Yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: she was principal.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: At a small— A small Christian school.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: And she was saying the cancer there, too.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the cancer was in remission when she started.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And then, again, talking with all these people, it breaks
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: my heart. There was a teacher's aide, Miss Cindy, who
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: had her cancer reoccur. And so the school really got
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: behind this woman. And they did fundraisers for her. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: she— she joined in. Right as Miss Cindy was getting
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: all that attention, Amanda, all of a sudden, her cancer
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: came back. And she, and they gave her more than
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: half of the money raised because they said, oh, she
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: has kids, Miss Cindy doesn't have kids. Like, it was,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: they felt so bad that their principal, so, and she willingly, like, yes,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: oh great, thank you. You know, took thousands of dollars.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And did her parents believe that she had cancer?
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do believe the family at least Here's what
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I know. When the raid happened on her house in
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: September of 2016, so there's two times that I reached out.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: There's an email attached to the website that said, if
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: you have any questions, email, which was one of the brothers.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: So that's what I did. I emailed and I said,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: here's who I am. Here's the show I work on.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: I have these questions about how the money is handled.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: You must know that there's an investigation going on. I
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: didn't know if they knew or not, but I said
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: there's an investigation. Here's a list of questions I want
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: to know about how this money gets to Amanda. I
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: never heard back. The raid happened a few months later.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I sent a second one with a follow-up.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: The raid, explain. the raid.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: The raid was the federal agents went to her home
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: at 6 in the morning with a battering ram and
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: a warrant.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: It was wild. And what, like got computers and stuff?
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, computers, anything, metal equipment, whatever they could take out.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I watched they were taking stuff out. But, yeah, I
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: guess documents. All kinds of stuff.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: So it's pretty, pretty serious. That's why I don't think
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: people realize it was they had a federal grand jury
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: that took place, which, you know, many people had to testify.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Did you have to pay for an attorney to defend yourself?
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Via my work?
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: So, yes, there was a very expensive court case.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Because it became a First Amendment issue because I'm a
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: member of. the press. And, and so I don't think
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: she realized that, but by asking for a restraining order
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: and the way it was done, um, I was in
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles and this was up in San Jose and
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: they served, they put papers in my mailbox. They never
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: served me on a holiday weekend. And I opened up,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, what's this? And so when I
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: called the attorneys, um, for where I was working, they
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: were like, Oh, you don't have to go. You weren't served.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: And then by not Going that first thing, they sent
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: some outside representation, and the judge was like, well, she's
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: not here, so we're going to issue a temporary restraining order.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: And they were like, well, wait, she's a member of
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: the press. Like, this is, you can't do that. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: she was like, well, come back in 10 days, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: we'll talk about it. So they issued a temporary, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: then in the 10 days that we were supposed to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: go up to present our, you know, who I am,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: this is what I'm working on, she got sick. Every
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: time I went up.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I flew up.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Two days of prep, you go to court. She was
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: in the hospital that night. So it got canceled for
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: six months. So I think I did five or six
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: trips up. So that adds up. We had to do
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: a mediation.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Also, you had no doubt that she was lying.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: But I think in the beginning, some of these people,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: probably the people that contacted you on that Facebook group,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: it's like even if you were suspicious, it's like you
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: look like such an asshole.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: You know, you're like, I'm 90% sure, but for the
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: 10% that I'm not, like, how could you? Like, I
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: had an incident I've talked about on the show before
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: where we were in this theater group, and I was
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: convinced this girl was, like, a liar and, like, off
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and kind of dangerous. And they were like, Like, you're
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: a jealous bitch. Like, you're an awful person. And they
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: promoted her to be in the main group. And, you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: all of us got kicked out. And, you know, like
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: eight years later, she's like the first person in the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: history of this theater group called The Growlings that they
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: were like, we need to kick her out. Because she
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: was so problematic. And there were so many things. And,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I was like... Vindicated once again, but nobody cares.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, I told you so. And it's like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: but it's hard being that person because it's just like
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: you look like an insensitive, evil bitch. And also it
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: sounded like she was this really appealing personality. Like gracious
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and sweet and thankful and Christian and this and that.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: So it's like likable. Every group thing at that church
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: and in the community. And she, if anybody... else was
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: diagnosed or like someone said oh my sister my family
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: let me help them I mean she would go and
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: like offer her service counseling these people and giving advice
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: and telling them don't use that hospital go like this
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: is if I found this out afterwards I'm like are
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: you kidding me like she did not care she was
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: a spokesperson like I said being paraded around.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Um how do you think she chose that particular kind
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of cancer versus others.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: That is very close to what um Jamie had, Alita's daughter.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: So then she just had... She had a blood cancer.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: So she already had knowledge of it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to a point. I mean, Jamie was an eight-year-old
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: little girl, so it's different. But it was, you know, that's... Yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: that's what she had. So that's my guess.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Because I just wonder, like, if you're going to go
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: make something up like this.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's maybe one that's not as.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: People can walk around and have it and maybe you
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: don't notice it. There's other ones that, you know, people deteriorate.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: You know, she was stage four and she was running,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: you know, marathons.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a terrible, everybody's different.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Like in doing research, if you're going to do this lie,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: like picking one, like I said, that, that, you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: has a lot of remissions or it can be very dire,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: but then you can come back from it versus one
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that's like, pancreatic or lung. There's those ones where the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: minute you hear, you're like, wow, that's going to be
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: a harder challenge than, oh, like when people go, well,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: she has this cancer, but it's like the best kind
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you can have or whatever. You know, when people say
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, like it's the least or it has
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: a very good chance of, you know. So when this
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: all finally comes down and they do the raid and everything,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: she's still making excuses.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: She posted that night. I laugh because I was there
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: when they did the raid and she leaves, Corey leaves
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: with the kids. They leave the investigators in the house.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: They go off to work or whatever they went off to.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: And basically he said, like, lock up when you're done.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And so that's what the feds did. They took computers
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: and phones and all of that. I would, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: it's my understanding, but she's, Must have won and got
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: a– I don't know what, but she posted that night
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: a picture, an old picture of her bald commemorating Hodgkin's
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: lymphoma month or something. Like she didn't miss a beat.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: There's choices, right? There's a lot of choices that you
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: can say. Federal agents just left my house. Maybe I
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: should like stop with the snowball, right?
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I should get better. Did you see the other doc
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: about Grey's Anatomy?
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: No, I read a lot of articles about that, though.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: The Grey's Anatomy writer is another one that I could
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: relate to. I was a writer on a TV show, too,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and she did the same thing, created all this. She
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: didn't moralize in just the cancer. She put herself in
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: a terrorist attack at a temple and all these things
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that just were not true. But part of it in
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: watching that doc, I was like, oh, she's lazy. She
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: got out of work. She made other people do the work.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: She'd maybe come up with the idea for the script,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: but then everyone else would have to actually go in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the final draft and write it, which is the harder part.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Well, Amanda did that. So she got hired as a
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: teacher and gets hired, English teacher, at a different community school,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: religious school. And within, I would say, a month after
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the appointments, I'm sick, it's back, it's this, it's that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: And when I went to court, we subpoenaed all her
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: human resource records from there. And so by reading through
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: all of that, the teachers were covering for her. They
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: were donating their sick leave and their time so she
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: could get paid during the whole time. So there's that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: So that's lazy. Yeah, like what is she doing?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Just bed rotting and like watching TV and like just
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: enjoying the time.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: You know, curled up at home, I guess, you know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: but whatever, you know, but that's, so, you know, these
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: are things I found that as I kept digging, I
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: was like, are you kidding me? Like, so she, people
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: donated not just money. So when people see that figure,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: you have to step back and go, wow, like that's a,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: that was months, right? She started there in August and
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: then they let her go in like February.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I also wonder having like two young boys where there
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: are times where people were like, we'll waive the baseball fee.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, I know.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: We'll waive the karate fee or I'll take the kids.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: So then now you have all these people helping with
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: your babysitting for free.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one of the things Jessa feels horrible
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: about because she knows now, you know, she's the daughter.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: And we've talked about that before. But that was one
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: of the things that really she had so much guilt
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: about that she I think she talked about in the
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: podcast that people paid for everything for her. And that
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: You know, that's a tough thing.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, because of her mom was... Her tennis lessons, her gymnastics.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Because her stepmom was struggling. Oh, okay.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: So there's so much more than that figure that's what
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: they charged her with.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So was there finally an actual trial, or did they
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: just do like a plea? No, she pled guilty.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: So she first pled not guilty, which is... That's normal.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And then she had to change a plea for guilty.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: And then that's how they wrapped... Because when you... Federal cases...
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: They're tough to— you can take it to court, and plenty
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: of people do. But usually when there's a federal indictment,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: there's so much— they had so much evidence and so much
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: to present, the grand jury and stuff.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: And was it federal versus state?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: No, just federal, because it went through the IRS, which
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: is a federal agency.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that's why it was.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it went from a state agency in San
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Jose to federal, yeah. And it was the first type
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: of case prosecuted, not a wire fraud, that's done all
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the time, but on the grounds that she faked having
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: an illness, that she was basically lying, but the money
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: came in because of those lies. Yeah, it's interesting. It's
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: the first time. So now hopefully— I know for Agent Lee,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: you know, that was meant a lot for her because
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: she really wanted to set a precedent and the Department
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: of Justice to be like, this isn't okay. And there's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: now something to kind of work from.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Because with the Gypsy Rose case of the Munchausen by
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: proxy and, you know, there was a lot of crimes
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: that the mother did before she had her boyfriend murder
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: her was, you know, they went and did the make
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: a wish a bunch of times and did all this. And,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and it's just, I just like, did, did she ever,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: so now she's still in prison. Yeah.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: So she's been moved just recently to, it's still within
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: the federal system, but it's a, I would use the
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: term halfway house, but it's like a re-entry program. So
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: it's a facility that she, I guess, goes through more
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: programs there or whatever. And then by the end of
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: this year, the end of 2025, December, she has a date,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: a release date. So she'll be, now she's in Riverside, California.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's like, I'm sure eventually
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: in this, this program, she'll be out like they reintegrate
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: into working somewhere and whatever. But I think even though
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: she did all this up in San Jose, I think, um,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: what's going to be interesting for the Riverside community is
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: that's where her family's from. And many of the victims
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: that donated were friends and family from Riverside. So they,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: she will be back, you know, with the community. And,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: and I guess that's, that's the next step in them
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: all handling.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, how does this work? Like, do people forgive her?
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Do they, did she ever apologize or write a letter
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: to anybody since she's been behind bars?
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Not that I know of. And, and, She still she
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: still blames Alita and I. She takes responsibility to a
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: very small point.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: And what does she take?
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Well, she she did her change of plea. She spoke
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: at the sentencing and she apologized. It was a lot.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: She never said I don't have cancer and I'm sorry
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I did this. She just says, you know, how much
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: it affected her and the things she lost and how
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: she feels so bad. That she did this to you, Jessa,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: or she never said anything to Alita ever. And that
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: she destroyed that woman's life for a number of years.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you'll never get those childhood years back.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: 18 months she lost her daughter and had to be
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: humiliated going through supervised visitation and meeting in a parking lot.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: And money.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: And just disgusting.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: So that's, you know, there was never an apology to her. Yeah.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: And I wonder if Alita ever was like, you know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: it's like one of those things like in the movies,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: like where there was there were two girls that applied
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: for the nanny job, you know, and had chosen the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: other one. No, because she came like something like that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Very, very part time. It wasn't like a steady nanny.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: And Amanda worked part time in a gym, a local
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: gym where Alita's sister like managed. So that's how they
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: knew her. So it kind of came through the sister like, oh,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: there's a young girl that works here.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Imagine for the sister. And you're like, oh, God, I
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: feel so bad.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: You'll hear from her in the documentary, yeah.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So in doing this, you know, this is such
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: a crazy story. But like we said, you are hearing
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: more about these people lying about things. I remember there
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: was a, you remember there was the GoFundMe story where
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: this couple said they met this.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: The homeless former Marine.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: That gave them $ 10 to get gas or she was alone.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: And then they highlighted him and then he got $ 130, 000.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: And then he came forward and was like, they took
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: the money.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: They took the money.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: But in the beginning, all three of them were like
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: part of it. And which is such a bummer because
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: then you kind of always wonder about these, you know, GoFundMes.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: And it's like. Well, it's hard.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I do think there's two things from this. It's disappointing.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: that we have to think this way, right? You would
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: hope that all the GoFundMes that go up or the
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: people you know, and people ask, well, what advice would
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: you give? I said, it's hard because Amanda, like I
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: would tell people if they're in your community and you
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: know them and you see it and you know, like, okay,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: my money's going to them, but that's what she was, right?
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: And that didn't work out so great, right? So it's
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: really in this day and age now with AI, I
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: am afraid to see what's going to be in social
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: media because it's too easy to put yourself in a
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: hospital bed or put yourself somewhere else and just document.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: There is a story out right now that this poor
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: woman believed that Brad Pitt was calling her and the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: photos are so funny and she, I don't know how much.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Those weren't even done well but imagine if someone that
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: knows how to utilize that stuff better because it's, yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: So the story was that Brad Pitt she thought Brad
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Pitt was like contacting her and they were having a relationship.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I know you'd be like, why would
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: he need money?
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Because of his divorce.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because of the divorce. And like, and you know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I just, I think anything like, just like a dirty John,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: like you, you need a connection and you want to
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: believe it. You want to believe it. Yeah. And I
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: had a, I had a friend, a very like attractive friend.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: And she was like, oh my God, Russell Crowe. just
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: like DM'd me and like saw my, like somehow my
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: photo popped up and she's just like a normal woman.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Like she's not in the business and she's attractive. So
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: it's like, it's not like unheard, like, but, and I go, wait, what?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: And then we looked at it and we're like, that's
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: just someone like fishing for any woman over like 45 that,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: that's might actually think that a Russell Crowe, like it
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be unheard of for this girl to, To end
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: up dating Russell Crowe. It was just so. So I'm like, oh,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: my God, this is happening like all the time. And
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: it is it is really scary. So what happened with
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: the husband? Did he stay loyal to her? No, no.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Yes and no. This this past year, he filed for divorce.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Beginning of 2024. Yeah.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Beginning of 2024.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: So they.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: They're divorced now.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And do you know if anybody brings her sons to
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: visit or anything?
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: I think that was going on. Yeah, I have. Believe
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: it or not, prisoners contacted me and people that have
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: gotten out of prison because they were. This is funny.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: I got contacted via someone that was in prison, got
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: out with her, with her, got out. But they didn't
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: know why she was in there because she's she's telling
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: all different stories in there. Right. She's she's not in
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: there for faking cancer as far as they they knew.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: But something was so off and they were so put
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: off by what she would say and what was transpiring
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: in there that when they got out, they just Googled her.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: They were like, let's see what she's really in here for.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: And they saw the podcast and they listened and reached
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: out to me. And I've had so many conversations with
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: different prisoners now, some that are still in there. And
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: what are they saying? Well, she's back at it. She's
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: got every kind of disease you can think of. I
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: have a lung. I have a heart problem. I have
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: this problem. And then court papers were filed on her
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: behalf for an early release. And in it, they detail
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: 24 trips to the emergency room, to the hospital.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: In the prison.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Well, no, outside of the– like in the prison all
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: the time and then outside of the prison where other
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: doctors would look at her. And in there, the Department
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: of Justice talked to those doctors and got statements where
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: they said, yeah, we saw her like messing with the
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: equipment and like holding her breath during tests and doing
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: things to– to screw up the testing because she was
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: trying to say she was so sick. And, you know,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I would get these, you can contact them via email
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: back and forth. And I would, you know, wake up
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: sometimes and be like, oh, yeah, she's back at the hospital.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: She's saying, you know, her lung or something with her lungs.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: And things that she'd said over time that I've always
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: heard over the years, just not even in prison, but
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: just in general, we're all making a. And I asked,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I said, well, is she talking about cancer again? And
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: they said, no, not to. the main group, but that
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: there was a couple of women that got out that
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: kept in touch. And they would hear her on the
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: phone saying, oh, my cancer's back. They think I have
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: cancer again and that kind of thing. But they didn't
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: know for quite a while in prison why she was
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: in there. Because she was telling them it was like
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: embezzling from a school. People that go in and out
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: of prison, they kind of learn what makes sense. So
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: she was telling them that she got five years for
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: embezzling $ 2, 000 from a school. The feds aren't going to
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: put you away for $ 2, 000 for five years. Like that's
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: a hefty.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: So they knew something wasn't right. They knew from what
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: she was telling them that you're in here for something now.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: You just don't end up here.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Do you know about the classic Real Housewives of OC
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: story when– Vicki Gunvinson's boyfriend faked cancer.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Because that was, I think I want to say, while
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: this was all going on with me with Scamanda, it
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: was like there was a time frame that it overlapped.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: So did you watch it? No, I don't watch it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Were you a fan of it or somebody turned you on?
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: No, I just would read it. I'll read TMZ. I
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, my God.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: That's bold.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: The juiciest thing. So Vicki was on the show. And
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: she was married to her second husband, but they'd been
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: married a long time. And they got a vow renewal.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: And then you always get divorced after a vow renewal.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: And they got divorced. And then she was with this
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: guy who I think she was sort of seeing before
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: if she broke up with her second husband I think
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: they've alluded to that anyway so his name was Brooks
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: and he was just southern and like such a dirty
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: John and she gets some new teeth and makes him
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: a little cuter for the O.C., And then he says,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: and I want to think his might have been the
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Hodgkin's too.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: I think it was the Hodgkin's, yeah.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then he's like, I had this, it's back.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: So the reason she says, I recall, that she believed
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: him is that he said he had this prior and
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: now it's back. And so she's sharing it. She's asking
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: one of the housewife's husband, who is a Dr. Terry,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: about it. And then this girl, Megan King Edmonds, is
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: all just like, I don't believe it. And then it
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: was the whole thing about the HIPAA and the HIPAA rules.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: And what, you know, did they go to this Hogue
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: hospital in the OC or not? And she's like, I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: had all these binders and he would be tired, but
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't go to the doctor. And the whole thing was,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: did she know? And it's like, it's one of those
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: things that only she knows because she's, you know... Lied
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: about it. And then if her castmates are mad at her,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: they say, you're lying. And then when they make up
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: with her, they're like, she never knew. And I always
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: think she believed it in the very beginning, discovered it,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: and then was like, holy fuck, we're filming this show.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now what?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Now we just have to keep it going. And he's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: my boyfriend. And I don't want to be single. And
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I don't care that he lied. Like, I think at
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: the time she just was like, I have to get,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: and then when it was exposed, she was like, and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: then she goes, I just thought, you know, why is
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: everyone being so mean and like looking, well, I just
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: thought we'd get casseroles. Like she literally said, I just
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: thought people would give us casseroles and be nice. And like,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: she didn't, I really don't, I think she's so not
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: self-aware that she did not realize that just the idea
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: of like lying about Something that affects every single family.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: That should be enough to be like, I'm out of here.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so then they did break up. And then
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: he married someone else. Like in another state. And then
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: she still is like, I hate him. And, you know,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: and she's very defensive. But it's like, yeah, she'll say,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I never knew. I never knew. I believed him. I
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: think she discovered it halfway through.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: I think you know, because that was the same thing
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: I felt like with Amanda. Yeah. Like I said, once I...
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: sent these emails and contacted, hey, this is going on.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Time went on. And when my lawsuit came up, she
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: brought those emails in, the two emails. But she had
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: said that I sent hundreds of emails. And this was
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: an example of what I sent. She didn't bring the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: other hundreds because there weren't any. I sent two. But
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: with that, it was forwarded amongst family members. And it
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: was that was her evidence. But in it, the family's like,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: who the F is this? And that's it. Like they
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: didn't they got these emails, sent it to the parents,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: sent it to the Amanda. And then at that point,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was my family. I think
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I would have been like, why would they who is
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: this person? And is there a federal investigation?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Were people at your house? And yes. But you would
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: think the the wheels would start thinking, well, you know,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: we've never been to treatment with her.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: We never.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: I guess you want to believe that your family wouldn't
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: do that, right?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I think that would be enough for me to be like,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: federal agencies don't show up.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Right? There was another girl I interviewed. Her podcast is
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: No One Should Believe Me. I think that's what it is.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: And she had a sister that had Munchausen's and also
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Munchausen's by proxy with a child.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: you know, lied about having a double miscarriage of twins
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: and like lied about pregnancies, which that's a whole nother
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: thing too. People that lie about pregnant women that lie
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: about pregnancies. And I'm just like, I mean, in, in
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: you investigating, is there any kind of like factor that,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: that makes someone a more likely candidate to do something
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: like this?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: Or I think, you know, there definitely seems to be
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: when the, when people get caught for this or maybe
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: they look back, even with the manic, you try and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: look at the trauma, where they came from, the trauma.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: There could be something. I haven't really seen that from
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: the family. I've been contacted by different family members now
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: as well that just had questions for me. They asked
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: if it was okay, would I talk to them? I'm like, yeah, sure.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: And even they were confused by where this all stemmed from.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Because she seemed to have like a stable childhood. Yeah,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: very much so.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Well, Dr. Drew Pinsky said, or no, no, it was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Matt Murphy actually, he's a prosecutor, said that serial killers actually,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: it's that they were like spoiled. Like that they're overly
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: given whatever they want is something that he has discovered.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: It's not like a horrible childhood or being neglected or
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: anything like that. And so, yeah, it's like I do
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: think and it sounded like the girl from Grey's Anatomy
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: had a very nice parents and a brother and everything
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: that she lied about. And I think sometimes it's just
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: you're like a bad seed. You're just you're like nothing
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: makes sense. You're just like all of a sudden you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: you have a couple of kids. Did she have siblings?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Three brothers.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Like you have a couple. And they're all like fine.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: But right from the start, you know, like.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: You know, she was the oldest girl, the oldest child
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: and then three brothers. So I think, you know, it
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: seemed like there was a lot of pressure, more so
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: like perfectionism was expected or like, you know, this is
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: our little doll. And she's you know, she did some pageants.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: She did some things like that.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: But like.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: But also that attention.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: The attention.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Actually, I want to be a star, but I don't
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: really want to do the work. So how else can
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: I do it? Which is also a lot of Real Housewives.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: And also on Real Housewives, there was this one girl,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Kim Zolciak. She lied about cancer. Kind of said she
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: had it. And then is like crying at a reunion.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: And they're like... And Andy Cohen's like, well, did you have... Well,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I thought I did.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: I thought I did.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I thought I did, and then I didn't. And this
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: other girl, Mia, who... she comes from like, both of
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: them kind of come from fucked up backgrounds, but this one, Mia,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: she then, you know, on one of the seasons said
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: that she had something wrong with her, but then she
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: really didn't.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: And it's just like, yeah, it's certain types.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: I think that's the attention part of it. And that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: probably started fairly young in high school through college. Cause
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: on the podcast we had, we talked to some of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: the people that were in college with her at one
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: point and they were like, you know, it's weird. She would,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: get us to do the work for her. You know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: they would be, she'd be scheduled, oh, I'm so sick,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: I don't, she told everyone that she had, I believe
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: it was lupus. So she had this world. Oh, so
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: she was doing that early. Yeah, there's different things that, yes, definitely.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Illnesses or things that would kind of come and go
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: and never, they could never, you know, a lot of
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: her verbiage was, they say it's that, but they're not sure, right? That's... But, yeah,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: then that just kept escalating. So I do think it
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: did start with this snowball, and she sees, oh, I'm
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: getting out of doing the work I have to do
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: as an RA at college. Like, they're covering my shifts. Oh, okay,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: I'll go on with my life. And I think, you know,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: she meets Corey, and there must have been a need
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: for money because it was pretty fast and hard with
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: needing extra money.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: But he has never admitted to anything.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: No. No.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I guess that's one of the things. Well, there's like,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: just like Vicki and Brooks, we won't really know. You
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: think he knew from the start, but I, in listening
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: to it, I'm like, I think she started it to
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: get his attention. And then he was like, who is
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: this crazy bitch I married? And he was just like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: all right, fine. If it's bringing money in and whatever,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: and then just kind of went along with it, but
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: knew like, I don't, I don't even want to fight
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: with this freak, and now she has two of my kids,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: and what am I supposed to do?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Well, remember in the podcast, I had found people that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: predated her diagnosis.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Remember?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: So in 2012, she was diagnosed, and we interviewed in
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: the podcast a couple that knew her in 2010. And
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: what did they say? Well, they were told that she
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: had four months to live. Corey told them that she
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: had four months to live. They were a very wealthy
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: couple that had participated in fundraisers in the community for
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: other members of the community.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, then you're right.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: So that happened prior. So then she, I guess, as
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: far as Corey's concerned, she cured that one and moved
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: on to a new one.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: So does, so is the wife in the podcast... What's
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: her name?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Alita? Alita.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, Alita.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: She is.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: She was in the podcast, but in the docuseries.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: In the doc, I mean. Because I just can't even imagine. Like,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I just felt so infuriated for her and her struggle.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And then you also have to, like, wonder what she's
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: going through. Like, how did I marry him?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: And... Then this woman, like, what did I ever do
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: to deserve this?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: And it came out in the podcast. We interviewed the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: babysitter Mahasti, and she'll be in the docuseries as well.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: But in the podcast, Mahasti talked about how when she
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: first met Corey and Amanda to watch the first baby
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: she was at a daycare Corey said that oh I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: have an older daughter and it was from a one
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: night stand they were married for four years so you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: know he was lying on top of lies mixed.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: In too Maybe that was their attraction. You know, the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: two sociopaths find each other. Would you say they're sociopathic? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, he told people he was a fireman and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: he was working shifts and so the families would volunteer.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, so he's super comfortable lying as well.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: God, that's amazing.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: It's like that perfect storm. Somehow they found each other.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Now, this is not really her face, or is it?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is her.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, it is.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, so she was like real cute. Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. But she doesn't give an interview to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: you guys or does she?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: There are bits and pieces you'll hear from Amanda. Some
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: uncovered stuff that, you know, from way back and then
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: some current stuff as well.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: What if at one point she really does get cancer?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's it's funny you say that because
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: when they move, they move left. Northern California moved to
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: Texas after she got indicted and they moved there waiting
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: until like she had to plead out and all that
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: to be away from just again. Yeah, whatever. And I
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: got contacted really quickly after they moved to Texas that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: she was already at hospitals and showing up. The assumption
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: was it was almost like pill shopping or whatever. But
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: that wasn't the case. I was told through random people
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: that she was complaining about back issues or whatever. I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: don't know, something like 20-something MRIs or CAT scans.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Well, who pays for all that?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: I guess whatever insurance... I don't know. And I kind
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: of didn't go down that hole as much because I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: was like, this isn't stopping.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: There's just something almost like a weird addiction of just like,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I love hospitals, doctors. Like I can't stop the attention.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I get off on it. Like someone who has like
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: a shopping addiction, like that just can't.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: What is, if that's accurate. And I wasn't able to
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: vet it enough to know a hundred percent. Um, but,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: if that is like just the exposure to that radiation
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: and that's not okay.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: They say don't do that.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: Not like dozens of time in a very short.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. You're right.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: So when does she, so you think she'll get, she
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: is going to get out pretty soon now.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: How many time did she do? Seven years?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: No, she got five.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: She's now at like three and change. And then by
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: the time December rolls around is when she's, when her date.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Out date is. How does she feel about this is
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: the fame? Like, here's her face.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: She's on Juicy Scoop.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: I wonder if now there will be a part of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: her and if you come out, Scamanda, Amanda, come on.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Because just like the girl from The Grey's Anatomy, I
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: want to know, if you do decide to come clean,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: because you've done the time, there's nothing to lose, right?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: She could come clean. And really say what motivated her.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Because the girl in the Grey's Anatomy, she did say, finally,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: she still didn't take full responsibility, but she said she
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: hurt her leg or something a long time before she
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: lied about the cancer. And she was always, sounded like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: she just didn't have that many friends or was always whatever,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: an outsider a little bit. And for the first time,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: everybody was really nice to her and gave her all
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: this attention and And then that's when it began. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: it was just like, she just, but then she didn't
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: take responsibility for all this stuff. So like, that's what
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: I really want to know from someone like her, but
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: maybe they're never mentally well enough to say it. But like,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: I would love to know like why, yeah.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: That she gets off on it or whatever help she
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: needs to be able to, to function in society.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Especially because now she's divorcing him. So it's like, I'd
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: love to know the truth. I don't want her to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: come and then blame it all on him. But, like,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: I would love to just know. Yeah, but it sounds
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: like if she's still lying to people in prison, she's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: probably not there yet. But, you know, people, everyone has
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: a podcast, so it's like you probably have her own.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: But if you'd like to launch it here, I mean,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: I'm just so curious. And then, you know, and then
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: you don't.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Get to be with your sons and all that. Like
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: the gobbledygook that's going to come out of her is terrible.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: to me, useless and just self-serving. But then as part
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: of it, it's like, oh, it'll be interesting to hear
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: what's next.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, would you ever, yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: No, I get that.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for coming. This was so great. Yeah,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: thanks for having me. And besides watching, besides listening to
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: the podcast, which you did, and then the Hulu, ABC
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: and Hulu, Scamanda, is there anything else that you're working
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: on that you want to talk about or people can
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: follow you? Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm on Instagram. I don't do much on there,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: but I keep people apprised of, of the stuff with
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: some other things. But yeah, I work, I run a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: TV show called true crime news, which has been a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: syndicated show that's on. And yeah, I'm always doing different projects. Oh,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: at Nancy Muscatello.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, great. Well, thank you so much. This was great.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I loved the podcast. I cannot wait to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: watch the special and it's four weeks and you got
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: to wait each week, which I kind of like. I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: like having something to look forward to. And I wish
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: more shows would do that. Like, I mean, I think
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: they're going to do it, you know, with White Lotus
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: and stuff like where you then you have time to
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: talk about it with other people and stuff. It's like,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: don't give it to me all at once. I don't
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: want to binge. Like, I want to savor it. But
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: thank you so much. This was great. Thanks. The car
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: is beautiful. Where did you end up going for it?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: What's it called? It's Dunaidial.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: Where?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Dunaidial.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: There's an accent on the E.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Do you mean... Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: Lift?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Dundale Cars.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.