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Mega Edition: Courtney Wild And The 2017 Deposition (Part 4-6) (6/20/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with the Cordy Wild deposition. Question,
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putting aside your time at Curves, when do you recall
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first being a stripper? Answer? I was like, I think seventeen,
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just like a week before my eighteenth birthday. Question okay,
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and where did you first besides Curves? And you deny
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ever having worked at Curves as a stripper? Correct answer?
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I know I went there. I remember the night when
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in the deposition how it says I tried out to
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be a stripper and audition and stuff. I know I
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would go there, but I don't remember ever going there
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to work, you know, a couple of times a week.
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I don't remember that. Question. Well, you remember auditioning as
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a stripper though at Curves? Answer? Yeah, I remember getting
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on stage. I wasn't really taking off taking it as
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an auditional work there. I was just like, you know,
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intoxicated and got on stage like playing around, I guess. Question,
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and this is when you were fourteen or fifteen? Answer
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that's correct. Question okay? And were you playing around auditioning
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by taking off your clothes. Answer I don't remember taking
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off my clothes either. Question okay, so your recollection is
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that you went on the stage, but you did not
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take off your clothes. Answer I can't remember. Question I see,
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was that before you met Jeffrey Epstein or after? Answer? No,
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that was definitely after. Question okay. What was the next
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place that you either auditioned or stripped at? Answer I
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can't exactly remember. I don't know it was. There was
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a couple of strip clubs. I think it was like
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Platinum show Girls. Question where was Platinum show Girls? Answer
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in Boyton? Question okay, and when did you dance there?
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Miss Wilde? Answer I can't remember the exact dates. Question okay,
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did you use the stage name when you dance at
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these places? Answer? Yeah? Question okay, other than Taylor, do
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you remember what the other names might have been? Answer no?
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Question okay. Do you remember other clubs that you stripped at? Answer?
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There was Aphrodite's, which is the same place as Platinum Gold.
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Question okay, where else? Answer Cheetah. Question when you stripped
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that Aphrodite, were you under age? Answer? No, I don't
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believe I was. Question okay, did you get arrested while
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you were at Aphrodite for an incident with a girl.
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Answer that's the same incident we spoke about. Question okay,
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did it involve flicking a cigarette at redacted? Or are
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we talking about the slim Fast incident? Answer? I thought
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it was the same. It could have been the same. No,
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I think it was different. I can't remember. Question okay,
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do you remember a different incident when you got arrested
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for flicking a cigarette at a fellow dancer? Was it
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a fellow dancer by the way? Answer? I can't remember.
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Question okay, do you remember using the name Divine? Answer? Yes,
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I did. Question okay, how about the name Margo? Answer yes,
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I use that one name too. Question okay, were you
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over the age of eighteen or under the age of
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eighteen when you were using the names of Margo and
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the Vine? Question I believe I was over eighteen. Question okay,
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and I'm sorry. How old were you when you began
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to work at Platinum show Girls as a stripper? Answer?
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I believe I was eighteen? Question okay. Answer I know
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I went in there the week before my eighteenth birthday.
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Question okay, as a customer. But question do you think
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you ever answered the question differently, scrolla object to form
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in question the witness I can't remember. Scrolla improper impeachment,
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mister Goldberger, would a refresher memory to look at your
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deposition to see if you've ever answered the question? Differently?
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Scrolla which question Goldberger? Whether she said she was of
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age when she danced at Platinum show Girls Page one,
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twenty one. Goldberger, Did you read that question, ma'am? Answer? Yeah,
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I read it. Question okay, read that into the record
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to make sure this is what you read. Did you
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read this question talking about Platinum show Girls page one
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twenty one, line two, line three when you first start
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working there? That is how many months after I was seventeen?
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I had just turned seventeen when I worked there. That
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was your answer? Answer? How long ago was this deposition taken? Question?
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May of twenty ten, May six, twenty ten. Answer okay,
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question so seven years ago? Answer? Yeah, it was eight,
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well almost eight years ago. So I can't understand if
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I don't have exact if my answers aren't exactly. There's
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a lot of stuff that you know I've been through.
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There's a lot, so a lot of this stuff I've blacked,
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I've blocked out of my mind. You know, really, I
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haven't really thought about it, so you're trying to pick
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apart things that just really, you know, if I can't remember,
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I can't remember. I'm giving you the best. I'm hearing
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good faith and giving you the best knowledge that I have.
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Question Okay, was your memory better about in twenty ten? Answer?
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I mean, that's just a crazy question to ask. You
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don't think so? Answer well was it? Answer? I mean
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I can't remember. Question you can't remember whether your memory
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was better in twenty ten? Answer right? Question all right,
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very good? Scrolla excuse me. I'm going to object to
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the last series of questions as improper impeachment. Goldberger, When
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you worked at either a Platinum show Girl or Curves
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or Aphrodite? And what was the other club that you
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worked at? Answer Aphrodite And Cheetah? Question and Cheetah? Okay,
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and when did you work at Cheetah? Answer? I know
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I worked there as an adult from eighteen ups, so
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I can't remember exactly the day and time that I
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worked at Cheetah, but I have worked at Cheetah before.
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Question Okay, when you worked at any of those clubs
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in addition to stripping on stage, did your perform lap dances.
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Answer yes. Question okay. For the benefit of all of us,
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would you tell us what a lap dance is? Answer
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when you dance in from of a male or female
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or for money? Question okay, and as their touching involved?
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Answer yes, question okay, And have you done that before?
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Answer yes? Question okay. What's your state of dress or
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undress when you do a lap dance? Answer you get undressed,
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you take your top off? Answer okay, not your bottoms?
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Answer no question okay, You've done that many times in
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your life? Answer yes. Question okay. Have been masturbated in front?
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She cuts them off. No, while you are giving lap dances?
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She answers again no question. Has there been a period
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in your life other than when you were in jail
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since you turned age fifteen when you first started eating
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xanax that you are not using drugs? Answer? Has there?
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Say it again? Question sure, okay, you testify that you
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started using drugs when you were fourteen or fifteen correct
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answer correct question. And you were smoking weed you said
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answer uh huh. Answer yes, question okay, Eating xax answer yes,
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question and drinking answer correct question correct okay. Other than
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the times that you've been in jail. Was there a
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time when you were sober and you weren't doing drugs
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during that time the time when you were fifteen until
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today's date. Answer besides me being in prison for this
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amount of time, No question. Okay, So during your entire
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childhood through adulthood, other than the time you've been in jail,
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you've been a drug user. Edward subjects objection, misdates testimony,
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Courtney Wilde. When I was pregnant too, When I was
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pregnant with my son for the nine months Goldberger, Okay,
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you abstained? Answer correct question during that time period? Okay?
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What other drugs have you done during that time period? Answer?
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I've done a lot of drugs. Question, well, let's go
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through them then answer. Okay, cocaine, meth acid? Wait wait, wait,
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you've done cocaine? Answer correct question. Okay. When you say
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meth what do you mean by that? Answer? And methan
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that I mean? Question? Okay? Asked? Is that LSD? Answer?
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Correct question? What other drugs were you doing at this
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time period? Answer? Pills? Question what kind of pills? Answer
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like opiates? Question opiates? Answer yes, question oxycodone answer yes.
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Question Okay, any other opiates that you were taking during
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this time period where you were using drugs and or
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not in prison or we're not pregnant. Answer no, that's
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about it. Question okay. Heroin answer yes, okay. Have you
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ever shot heroin? Answer yes? Question okay with the needle
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answer yes. Question okay, Fentanyl. Did you ever do fentyl?
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Answer yes? Question okay. What other drugs am I missing? Any?
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Answer no, that's about it. Question okay. During the time
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that you were going to Jeffrey Epstein's home, were you
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doing all those drugs we've talked about? Answer no, I
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was smoking I started smoking weed and doing xanax and drinking.
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Question okay, So during that time that you would have
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gone to Jeffrey Epstein's house, you were smoking weed answer
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uh huh. Question doing xenax answer uh huh. Question and
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drinking correct question okay. When you testify in May of
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twenty ten at your deposition, okay, were you doing drugs
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at that time? Answer? I don't believe that I went
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to the deposition on drugs. No question, okay. We're using
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drugs at her around the time that you gave the
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deposition in May of twenty ten. Mister Scola, object to
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the form of the question, mister Edwards, object to the
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form scrolla vague also compound Goldberger, you can answer Courtney yes,
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question okay? And what drugs were you using around May
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six of twenty ten? Scrolla same objection the witness the
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same drugs weed, xanax, drinking at night? Goldberger, When did
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the heroin and oxycodone start? Answer? That didn't start until
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I was like twenty three? Question okay, so that would
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have been two thousand. I'm sorry, twenty ten. What year
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were you born? Answer eighty seven? Question all right? And
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you said you started doing heroin oxy codone when you
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were twenty three? Answer when I was twenty three. I'm
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twenty nine now, so question all right, so that would
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have been two thousand and oh you're twenty nine now.
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Answer yes. So sometime around two thousand and eight is
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when you started doing heroin? Answer yes, question and oxy
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codone answer correct? Question okay? And you blame your heroin
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and oxycodone use on Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, I believe that's
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like the root you know the root issue here? Question okay?
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When you say the rut issue, what do you mean
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by that? I don't understand that answer. I believe that
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the first traumatic event that happened in my life. At
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age fourteen, I started eating the xanx and stuff like
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that to go to Jeffrey's to make me feel more comfortable.
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And I feel like ever since then, once I started
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taking the xanx, ever since then, it's just been a
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real down word thing for me, my whole life. Question
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what other traumatic events have occurred in your life that
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have caused you to use heroin and oxy cotone and
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other illegal illicit drugs. Answer besides just you know the
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drug use, like like stuff that I once I started
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doing drugs, you know, traumatic events I really don't have. Besides,
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she gets cut off. I mean things have happened to
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me when I was like young, a young girl, and
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stuff like that. Answer tell me about those. Answer It
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starts with Jeffrey Epstein going and taking you know, bringing
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girls to Jeffrey Young girls like myself, who you know
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suffer with the same things that I suffer with, are
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drug addicts. Half of them. Now, since I've been in prison,
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I've met three girls that I brought to Jeffries. You know,
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since I've been here here in this prison. Answer, yes,
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here in this prison. Question. Okay, who are they Answer
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one of the girl's names is Jacqueline Miller. Question yes,
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who else? Answer? I don't feel comfortable. I don't want
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to give those people's names if they don't want me to.
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Questions the question, So scrolla, excuse me, let's just take
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a moment. Goldberger. Can she answer? Do you have some
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sort of objection? Scrolla, pardon me? Goldberger? Can she answer?
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Do you have an objection? Scrola, we haven't raised an objection?
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Answer okay. Do you recall the names of anyone else? Answer?
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I don't know their first and last names. No question okay,
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So Jacqueline Miller is the only one you know? Answer
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yes the first one. Question okay, so when you say
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three others, there are three? There are others? Answer there's
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two others besides Jackie Miller that I've met since I've
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been here. Yes. Question okay, and you brought them to
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Jeffrey Epstein's house. Answer I haven't, but they had been.
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Question okay, and you don't remember their names? Answer no?
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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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pick up where we left off. All of the information
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that goes with this episode can be found in the
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description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
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of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
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pick up where we left off with a courty wild deposition. Question.
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Do you ever remember telling the FBI agent that you
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started stripping at age sixteen? Answer? No, I don't remember that.
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Question Okay, do you know what the non prosecution agreement is?
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Do you know what I'm talking about when I talk
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about that? Answer? Yes? Question Okay, what does that mean
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to you? Answer? It's where it's not. I can't really
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explain it into words. Question Do your best to tell
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me what it means to you? Answer? I can't even
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really explain. Question okay, answer what is it? Question? Well,
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whatever it is? Is it your testimony that you did
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not know a non prosecution agreement existed? Answer? Right? Question?
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You never knew about that? Answer? No question? Is that correct? Answer?
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Right question? Okay? Before the non prosecution agreement was signed,
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No one told you about that? Answer No, somebody came
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to my work. The FBI agents came to my work
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and told me that they were considering settling. You know
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that Jeffrey was going to plead out to charges and
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everything else. I didn't understand that he was pleading out
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to the state. I thought that there was a federal
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case that he was still going to be charged for.
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That's how under it. Question where were you working when
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they came to see you? Answer Sally's beauty supply? Question Okay,
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So FBI agents came to Sally's beauty supply? Answer yes,
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question was it a female agent? Answer yes? Question kirkandall?
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Does that ring any bills? Answer? I think it was
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nesbit question nesbit, Kirkandall answer yeah, question okay, And your
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recollection is that she came to you at this beauty
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salon store. Answer correct. Question. And what is it that
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you remember her telling you? Answer? She told me that
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it was good news that they were considering Jeffrey Atte
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signing an agreement to plead guilty for whatever charges. I
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can't remember, she said, but that was going It wasn't
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something that was going to happen right away, but it
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was something that had been brought up. She wanted to
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come and tell me about. Question okay, And it was
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your understanding that mister Epstein was still going to be
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prosecuted for a federal offense. Answer right, because the federal
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because they were involved, and when they were investigating me
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asking questions, they were telling me, how you know he's
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done this internationally to all these women. I didn't think
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that it was just pom Beach County, you know, pom
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Beach County was just going to charge them. I thought
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he was being charged, you know what I mean, federally.
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So I was confused. It was a misunderstanding of exactly
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of what and who was charging him. I didn't understand
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that question, so it was a misunderstanding. Answer. I mean,
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the Feds came to my work and told me that
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he was being charged. It was possibility that he would
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be charged by the state. I didn't think that anything
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to do with their federal case that they had on them.
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Question was that before or after you met with Agent
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Nesbit Kirkandahl at a Public's grocery store in Palm Beach Gardens.
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Answer that was the same day. I worked at Sally's
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Beauty Supply and I walked out during my break, I
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went to the Publics to talk to her. Question I see,
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and that was in October of two thousand and seven.
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Answer yes, question okay, and you deny that miss Kirkandall.
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Agent Kirkandall told you that there would never be a
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federal prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein. Answer she said, I don't
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think she said that to me. Question Okay, were you
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doing drugs at that time? Answer no, Question that was
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a period of time when you were not doing drugs?
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Answer when I was at work. I was not on
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drugs when she told me. Question all right, but during
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that period of time, not the specific time that you
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met with the agent, were you one of the periods
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where you were doing drugs? Answer yes? Question okay, answer sure.
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Question And do you have a recollection of the agent
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kirkand All telling you that there would not be a
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federal prosecution of mister Epstein. Answer no, I don't remember
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her saying that to me. Question I see. Do you
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remember having a discussion with the federal agent as part
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of Epstein's agreement, he had made some concessions that would
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make it easier for you to collect damages? Scrolla objection
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leading wild No Goldberger, Okay, you don't recall that. Answer
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meeting with who? Question when you met with the agents,
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do you recall whether they told you that is part
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of mister Epstein's plea agreement. He had reached an agreement
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to make concessions that would make it easier for you
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to obtain damages scrolla objection leading wild No, I don't
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remember that. Question okay. Answer I don't remember that Goldberger. Okay.
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How many times did you meet with Agent Kirkinball Answer?
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I met with her a couple of times. I can't
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remember exactly how many times I met with her, but
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I met with her probably a handful of times, maybe
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three or four times. Question okay, And did you meet
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with any other special agents of the FBI prior to
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mister Epstein entering his plea? Answer? No, question okay. Did
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you meet with any US attorney assistant United States attorneys
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at any time during the pendency of mister Epstein's case? Answer?
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At one point, I met with a lady Maria. Question Marie,
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correct answer Marie. But I can't remember if he had
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already taken the plea or not. I don't know if
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when I found out if he had already plaed out.
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I didn't even know that it had been so long. Afterwards,
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I know that I met with a group of women
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at a table, and I know Marie told me that
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she was sorry for, you know, me being a victim
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of Jeffreys, and that if there was anything she could
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do to help me as far as victim services and
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stuff like that, she would, and they did. They helped
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me get the lady. I would go to talk to
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Randy Special like a counselor. Question how many times did
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you see scrolla? Excuse use me, Goldberger, You can finish
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the answer, Goldberger, anything else you want to tell me
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before the witness? No? Question, okay, how many times did
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you see this Randy was her name? Answer? Yeah, I've
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seen her a bunch of times. I can't remember how
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many times. Question less than ten? Answer, No, more than ten?
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Question more than ten? Answer yeah, question okay, did you
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ever answer that question differently? Answer? I can't remember. SCROLLA
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objection improper impeachment, Goldberger. Were you told that prior to
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mister Epstein entering is guilty strike that were you told
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that any time that mister Epstein, as part of his
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plea agreement, would be required to register as a sex
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offender for life? Scrolla, pardon me, I'm going to object
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to that question to the extent that it may call
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for attorney client privilege communication, Goldberger, were you told by
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anyone from the FBI or the US Attorney's Office as
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part of mister Epstein's plea agreement he was going to
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be required to register as a sex offender for life. Answer.
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I was never told. I was kept in the dark
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when he pled out. I didn't know that my case
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had anything to do with what he was pleading out to.
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So I was never told anything to him about himpleting
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out and what was going on. I didn't know anything
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about it. Question do you recall a meeting with Special
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Agent Nesbit Kirkandahl and Special Agent Jason Richards on October
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twenty sixth, two thousand and seven and being told that
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mister Epstein was going to be required to register as
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a sex offender for life? Scrolla objection, Courtney Wilde. And
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that was at Publix, Goldberger pardon. Answer. That was at
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Publix that we met, because that was the only time
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they ever came to me and told me that he
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was possibly going to be prosecuted. It was up in
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the air. Goldberger. My specific question was whether, mister whether
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we were told by agents of the FBI special agents
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with the FBI that mister Epstein was going to be
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a real quoad to register as a sex offender for life. Answer.
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I don't remember ever being told that question. Okay, And
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I want to make sure I understand what the agent's
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told you about whether mister Epstein. Whether they told you
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that mister Epstein was entering a guilty plea to stay
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charges and would not be prosecuted federally. Your testimony is
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that you were never told that. Answer. She told me
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that it was a possibility he was going to be
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prosecuted and plead guilty to the state charges. I didn't
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understand how that had anything to do with me, being
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that you know, there was many more victims he was
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pleading out the two counts a solicitation of prostitution of
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a minor. It didn't even make sense. I explained that
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to both the people that came and seen me nesbit
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and the guy that makes that charge. Doesn't even make
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sense for me. You know That's why I didn't. I
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didn't think it had anything to do with me. I
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know that when I see it on the news and
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his mugshot, I said that, you know he was being
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it was two young girls under the age of fourteen.
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I thought that's what it had to do with I
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had no idea that it had to do with me
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or any of the other victims that he did sexually abuse. Scrolla,
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excuse me, I'm going to interrupt for just a moment.
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Do you have other questions relating to the Crime Victims
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Rights that case? Goldburger, I do, Scrolla, Okay, I'm going
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to object to your examination of Miss Wilde on issues
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relating to another case. Those matters don't have any relevance
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or materiality to this lawsuit in which he's being deposed.
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Her counsel has not had the opportunity to prepare her
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for a deposition in the Crime Victims Rights that case.
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I'm going to instruct her not to answer any additional
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questions regarding the Crime Victims Rights that case. You may
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profer the additional questions that you'd like to ask for
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the record, but you will not answer those pending our
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ability to obtain a protective order. Goldburger, Well, we have
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lots of questions that we intend to ask about the
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Crime Victim Rights Act, and based on your cause of
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action and your theory that you've explained to the court
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as to why mister Epstein filed a claim against your client,
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it's relevant. And I recognize that you are advising your
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client not to answer questions Scrolla. She is not my client.
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This is a witness, Goldberger, and you're instructing Scrolla, and
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I am instructing her. I am informing you that additional
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questions relating to the crime victims rights that case, beyond
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those that have already been asked and answered, are not
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relevant or material or reasonably calculated to lead to relevant
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and material information. Goldberger, Well, I he gets cut off
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by Scrolla. You are excuse me, Goldberger, finish your profit,
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Finish whatever you want to say for the record, Scrolla,
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thank you. You are annoying, harassing this witness, and we
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will seek a protective order. Obviously that can't be done
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right now. So profer your questions. If there's any among
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them that I believe to be an exception to the
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position that I just stated, I'd be happy to allow
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her to answer. Otherwise, I'm telling you generally that additional
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questions regarding the victims rights that case we can consider
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to be entirely inappropriate. Goldburger, Well, I need to understand
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what your objection is. Is it irrelevant or is it
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because she hasn't had opportunity to speak to her council. Scrolla. Well,
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he gets cut off by Goldberger. Two different issues, let
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me finish. Okay, I need to know specifically what you're
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saying so I can determine how I'm going to reply
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to what you're telling someone who is not your client
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to not answer. So he gets cut off by Scrolla
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again both Coldberger? Okay? Both? What Scrolla? Both of the
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grounds that you have inquired about? Colberger? Are there any
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other grounds that you're using to advise someone who is
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not your client to not answer questions? Scrolla, Well, that
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really depends on what the additional questions are. Goldburger. Well,
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we may have additional questions. Scrolla. Go ahead and ask them,
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proffer them for the record. Goldburger Okay, Scrolla. I'll raise
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my objection and instruct the witness not to answer, and
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we'll move on from there. Goldberger, all right, SCROLLA, And
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just so that things are abbreviated, I will simply say
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Sam objection, Sam instruction. Goldberger Okay, Well, I'd like if
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you have any additional objections other than she doesn't have
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an opportunity to consult with her attorney, or you think
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it's irrelevant then please state them SCROLLA, and you are
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improperly seeking to take discovery in a case other than
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the case that is presently pending before the court. Mister Goldberger, Okay,
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fair enough, all right, folks, We're gonna wrap up this
25:32
episode right here, and the next episode dealing with the topic,
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we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
25:38
the information that goes with this episode can be found
25:41
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
25:44
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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gonna pick up where we left off with the Courtney
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Wild deposition. Mister Goldberger, at any time did the FBI agents,
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Did any FBI agent tell you that mister Epstein was
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pleading guilty in state court to avoid federal prosecution SCROLLA
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same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger. Did you ask the FBI
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at any time to speak to prosecutors prior to mister
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Epstein entering into his guilty plea SCROLLA, same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger,
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did you have the prosecutor's phone numbers so you could
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call her? Scrolla Sam objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger, did you
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in fact receive a victims notification letter scrolla same objection,
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same instruction, Goldberger. And on that letter, did it not
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have the prosecutor's direct dial number? Scrolla same objection, same instruction, Goldberger.
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And did the prosecutor in the in fact tell you
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in person that you could call her at any time
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to discuss this matter? SCROLLA same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger.
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Do you recall receiving a letter from his Villa Fauna
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when you met with her at the FBI at publics
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in two thousand and seven? SCROLLA same objection, Sam instruction, Goldberger.
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Do you deny that you had miss Villa Funa's direct
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phone number to call her if you so decided, mister Scrola,
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Sam objection, SAM instruction. Mister Goldberger, do you know whether
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the non prosecution agreement made it easier for you to
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seek damages against mister Epstein? Scrolla SAM objection, SAM instruction Goldberger?
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How many times did you meet with the FBI at
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publics to discuss the non prosecution agreement involving Jeffrey Epstein?
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Scrolla SAM objection, SAM instruction. Also repetitious, mister Goldberger, Well,
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I want to make sure I have a record, Scrola.
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You do, Goldberger, Okay, I don't think you're wearing a robe,
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so I'm going to decide whether I have a record. Okay.
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Do you recall being interviewed by Special Agent Nesbit Kirkandahl
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in August of two thousand and seven the witness, I
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can't remember the exact dates when I met her, Goldberger,
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Do you recall when you did meet with her? At
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no time did you ask to confirm with anyone from
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the government about any potential criminal charges decisions, or about
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any partial resolution of the matter involving Jeffrey Epstein scrolla
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same objection Sam instruction, also leading Goldberger. Is it true
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that between the time of that interview in August of
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two thousand and seven and September of two thousand and seven,
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when mister Epstein signed his non prosecution agreement, you never
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contacted either Agent Nesbit, Kirkandahl or coagent asking for information
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about the investigation or asking to confer with anyone from
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the government about potential criminal charges decisions, or about the
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resolution of the matter. Scrolla same objection Sam instruction leading
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compound Goldberger. Do you recall being interviewed by Agent Nesbit
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Kirkandahl Marie Villafauna assist in the United States Attorney and
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Maisha Braden from the Justice Department in January, specifically January
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thirty first of two thousand and eight. Answer, now, who
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was it that I met with Goldberger? While I'm asking
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you whether you did meet with them? First of all, Okay,
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January thirty first, two thousand and eight, did you participate
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in an interview with Marie Villafauna that's the Assistant United
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States Attorney, Special Agent Nesbit Kirkandaal and Maysha Mayesha Braden
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from the Justice Department. Answer? I think that's the time
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I met with I told you that I met with
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a group of people and they were just going over
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the victim service like stuff that could they offer me
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to get therapy and stuff like that. I believe that's
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the time. I'm not even one hundred percent sure, and
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I can't remember the people's names that I met with.
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Question I understand that. Do you also remember, by the way,
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meeting with Villy Ferrer, the US Attorney, the acting US Attorney? Answer?
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Uh huh question No answer, No, I don't question. Okay,
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do you recall getting a letter from Special Master Judge
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Davis identifying Robert Josephsberg, an attorney that the court would
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find to help sue mister Epstein for restitution. Answer. I
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believe I did receive a mail or a letter stating
30:04
something like that that they would give me an attorney,
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but I can't remember exactly what it said. Question Okay,
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you elected not to take advantage of that you use
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mister Edwards as your attorney. Answer yeah, I think by
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the time you might have been my attorney already. Yeah.
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Question okay, And the lawsuit that mister Epstein filed SCROLLA,
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the record will reflect that the you in that response
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is a reference to mister Edwards Goldberger. Okay. By the way,
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I'm done. I think I'm done with the areas that
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I want to proffer about the NPA, so we're going
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to move on to some other stuff. Have you ever
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actually reviewed the complaint that mister Edwards filed on your
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behalf Answer what complaint? Question the lawsuit? Answer? Yeah, question okay,
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you reviewed it. I'm going to read you part of
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the complaint that you said that you've reviewed. The plaintiff
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is included in the list of victims identified by the
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Federal SCROLLA. Excuse me, would you identify what you were
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reading from Goldberger the complaint that your client filed SCROLLA.
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You mean the complaint that mister Edwards filed on behalf
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of Miss Wild Goldberger, the complaint that your client, Brad
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Edwards filed on behalf of Miss Wild. Yeah, SCROLLA. And
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the complaint had subsequent amendments Goldberger, Right, SCROLLA. So are
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you reading from the original complaint or the amended complaint? Goldberger?
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It's the same whether it's in the complaint or the
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amended complaint. The paragraph that we're going to talk about
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is in both. So you could use the amendic complane
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or you could use the original complaint. Edwards, what paragraph Goldberger?
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Paragraph twenty SCROLLA. I'm sorry which one Goldberger? Twenty? And
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it may be twenty two in the amended complaint, but
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it's the same exact paragraph. SCROLLA. Well, I have it
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in front of me, of the third amendicanplane, Goldberger. Can
31:54
I take a look at it. Maybe I can make
31:56
the record better if I take a look at it. Okay.
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Mister Edward's on your filed several complaints, amended several complaints
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answer right question, okay, And you're aware of the federal lawsuit.
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He also prepared. Answer right, answer the CVR. Question no answer.
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Which lawsuit are we talking about? Question? Well, let's hold
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that thought. Well, come back, I'm not talking about the
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CVR A case. Answer okay, I'm talking about another lawsuit
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that he prepared, and we'll come back to that in
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a minute. By the way, when you worked at the
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strip clubs before you were eighteen, did you have an
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adult entertainment card? Answer? No? Question do you know what
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that is? Answer? Yeah? Question okay, what is it? Answer?
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It's a license that you have to have to dance.
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They made it that you have to have it now,
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but before you didn't have to have it, but some
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people did if they would go out of the county,
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like out of Palm Beach County. Question yeah, And how
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old do you have to be to get that adult
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entertainment card? Answer eighteen? Question okay, so you were a
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answering without a card before you were eighteen? Answer? I
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was dancing without a card before I was eighteen. Question okay,
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how about before you were eighteen, were you dancing without
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a card? Answer? No, question, No you were not. Answer
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I wasn't dancing before. A couple times that I would
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go dance like one night I went to a strip
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club with a bunch of my friends, and I got
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on the stage and made some money, and that was it.
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But I wasn't like working there. I wasn't even supposed
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to be on stage or anything like that. Question all right,
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At any time when you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house,
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were you there ever any drugs there? Answer no question.
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Did you ever see any drugs there? Answer no question.
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Were you ever given alcohol when you were at mister
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Epstein's home? Answer no question. Did you ever see mister
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Epstein drink? Answer no question. When I say drink, I
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mean alcohol? Answer right. Question Okay, were you ever given
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any pills or drugs at mister Epstein's home? Answer no question.
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Did mister Epstein ever give you advice about not using
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illegal drugs? Answer no question. Are you sure of that?
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Answer not? To my knowledge, I can't remember him saying
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anything about it. Question Okay, do you remember telling the
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FBI agents that you were interviewed on August seventh of
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two thousand and seven that mister Epstein counseled you not
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to use any drugs? Answer? I don't remember. Brad Edward's
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objection improper impeachment if the witness can see the statement, Goldberger,
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you don't remember? Would you read the memorandum of interview
34:34
dated August seventh, two thousand and seven. I'm going to
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direct you. I only have one copy. You want to
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look at it first? SCROLLA, Yeah, thank you. Is there
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a particular section you want to call attention to? Goldberger? Yeah? Actually, maybe?
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Do I have another copy? No? Different interview. SCROLLA. Do
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you want to to mark the section that you'd like
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us to look at? Goldberger? I might. Here you go.
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Do you have the first two pages that go with
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the document? Goldburger? I do not. Maybe I do? Yeah, No,
35:07
different interview. We have not the complete document. But I'm
35:10
concerned about a specific reference in the memorandum of interview
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concerning whether mister Epstein advised the witness to not use
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controlled substance and showing her the document to refresh her recollection.
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Mister Scola and both we and the witness have a
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right to review the document in its entirety. I'm going
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to object to its use in partial form. Goldberger, Here
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you go. Here's the whole document? SCROLLA, thank you. Do
35:36
you have this document in unredacted form? So we can
35:39
identify who these people are. Goldberger, it has never been provided.
35:44
As you know as a former prosecutor, mister Scrola, certain
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items are privileged and protected, and that is what we
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receive from the FBI. Scrolla. But that's not a response
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to my question. Goldberger. Yeah, well, Scrolla, do you have
35:58
this document in unredacted form so that we can identify
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who the interviewee and interviewers are? Goldberger, I've given you everything. Actually,
36:07
we probably took it off the discovery. You provide it
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to us, so you have everything that we have Scrolla. Okay,
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thank you. And you would like the witness to look
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at three lines that are highlighted. Well, you have one
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line highlighted, actually, but do you want her to look
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at all three lines in that very short paragraph? Mister Goldberger.
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If I've highlighted one line and you think the question
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is or requires her to look at the three lines,
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she may look at the three lines. Scrolla. Well, the
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one line you highlighted for the record read Epstein with
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massages said that Epstein tried to provide her Goldberger, Okay,
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is there more there? I mean, I don't want to
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play games if you think there's more? Scrolla I don't
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want to play games either. I just want to know
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what it is you want to call the witnesses. Attention
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to Goldberger. I'm highlighting the entire paragraph redacted use the
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legal drugs during the year. I'll read it into the record,
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used illegal drugs during the year she provided Epstein with massages,
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where dacted said that Epstein tried to provide her with
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advice regarding controlled substance. That's what I'm asking you. Whether
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it refreshes your memory as to whether mister Epstein ever
37:14
gave you advice about using illegal drugs. Answer, I can't
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remember that. SCROLLA. I would like this document marked as
37:22
an exhibit to the deposition. Goldberger. We can do it
37:26
in a moment. We'll put it over there. SCROLLA. Do
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you mind if I just write exhibit number one on
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the bottom right hand corner. Goldburger. Well, let me make
37:34
sure my notes. SCROLLA. There's no notes on it, Goldberger.
37:39
Let me take a look at it, SCROLLA, except for
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your yellow highlighting. Goldberger. Let me take a look at it.
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One copy. I think I put some notes on sure, SCROLLA.
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Thank you for the record. I am marking this document,
37:51
consisting of five pages and I'm placing exhibit number one
37:54
in the lower right hand corner, whereupon Exhibit number one
37:58
was marked for identification. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
38:02
up this episode right here, and in the next episode
38:04
dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we
38:06
left off. All of the information that goes with this
38:09
episode can be found in the description box.