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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 254 | Victory Monday Thoughts After Jaguars vs. Bengals · Jags A.M.

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags AM, I'm Kanani Stevens, Brian Sexton, John
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  Speaker 1: Ogier with me today. It's a bit of a dreary
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  Speaker 1: day in Jacksonville, but we make our own sunshine on
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  Speaker 1: a victory Monday. The Jags get their first road win
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  Speaker 1: of the season. They get that five-point victory over the
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  Speaker 1: Bengals in kind of a weird matchup. Today's show brought
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  Speaker 1: Big thing number one is next man up because of
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  Speaker 1: some injuries in the secondary going into the game and
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  Speaker 1: then during the game. It really came down to some
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  Speaker 1: players we didn't necessarily expect, including Safety Ray on lane
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  Speaker 1: who made the game-saving play. It's huge, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we had a lot of guys step in today.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of guys contribute to the win. Credit Ray
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  Speaker 2: for coming in, the preparation, going through it. Campy, I thought,
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  Speaker 2: did a really nice job of calling it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with him in mind in some ways and putting him
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  Speaker 2: in a position to be successful. So, yeah, definitely needed
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  Speaker 2: everybody today.
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  Speaker 1: Needed everybody, and they got every play that they needed. Brian,
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  Speaker 1: if I told you we were going to be down
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  Speaker 1: to rant lane at safety after losing Caleb Ransom and
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  Speaker 1: Eric Murray, probably a little concerned, but a really heads-up
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  Speaker 1: play and kept the Bengals from getting a first down
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  Speaker 1: and won the game.
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  Speaker 3: Against Joe Burrow and that passing attack, yeah, before the game,
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  Speaker 3: I would have told you very concerned, and especially if
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  Speaker 3: you told me that Eric Murray would be out at
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  Speaker 3: one point either.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, we're a month in.
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  Speaker 3: There's a long way to go. But right now, I
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  Speaker 3: think this might be the most complete team in football.
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  Speaker 1: They.
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  Speaker 3: They entered the season without a glaring weakness anywhere on
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  Speaker 3: the roster. Now, that doesn't mean that they didn't have
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  Speaker 3: areas that they needed to perform in or perform better in.
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  Speaker 3: And there's areas right now that you can point out.
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  Speaker 3: The pass rush has got to get stronger, whatever. But
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  Speaker 3: when you can get down to your fourth and fifth safety,
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  Speaker 3: guys that you are counting on as special teams and
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  Speaker 3: not to be on the field, when you can adjust
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  Speaker 3: and adapt no matter what the circumstances are, a month in,
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  Speaker 3: I think this is the most complete team in football.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was impressive for Rayon Lane. Clearly, in the
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  Speaker 5: fourth quarter, Joe Burrow is a good quarterback, and he's smart.
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  Speaker 5: He knew the fifth safety was in the game, and
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  Speaker 5: he went after Rayon a little bit. You play to
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  Speaker 5: win the game. You play for moments in this league.
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  Speaker 5: He came up big at a big time. Would I
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  Speaker 5: have been concerned? Yeah, I'd have been really concerned. If
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  Speaker 5: he had gotten hurt, I'd have been really concerned, because
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  Speaker 5: then they had one safety. I mean, they were down
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  Speaker 5: two in the secondary. And in that situation, you do
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  Speaker 5: whatever it takes to get the W and get to
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  Speaker 5: Monday and figure out what's next.
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  Speaker 1: Brings us into big thing number two, which is closers.
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  Speaker 1: We saw a close matchup with this team in week
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  Speaker 1: two at the Broncos. They weren't able to come away
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  Speaker 1: with a win, but a close matchup this time around
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence said they found a way to win.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously it's a big win for us. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's hard to win. So anytime you can get a win,
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  Speaker 6: especially on the road, tough place to play, um, It's big.
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  Speaker 6: I think this says a lot about our team. To
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  Speaker 6: be able to win these games, we lost a game
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  Speaker 6: like this in Denver a couple weeks ago, and it's
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  Speaker 6: a good bounce back for us. You're going to have
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  Speaker 6: to win games like this throughout the season where you
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  Speaker 6: maybe don't play your best, and it's not pretty, but
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  Speaker 6: find a way to win.
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  Speaker 1: John, they didn't play their best, and I certainly wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: describe it as a pretty win, but they found a way,
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  Speaker 1: and we talk so much about how those good to
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  Speaker 1: great football teams find a way to win when they
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  Speaker 1: aren't playing their best.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know what's beautiful is there's a three in
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  Speaker 5: the victory column rather than a two. And that's really
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  Speaker 5: all that matters. I, I get the ugly part because
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  Speaker 5: all the penalties and because stuff got called back and
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  Speaker 5: never got going. To me, there was a lot of
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  Speaker 5: beauty in the fact that you went up to play
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  Speaker 5: a team that I think is going to contend or
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  Speaker 5: right now they believe they're going to contend. They're a
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  Speaker 5: hard team to beat. You led the whole game. You
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  Speaker 5: controlled it. You put them in a situation. Yes, they
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  Speaker 5: stopped them one yard short on the 10th, But the
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  Speaker 5: Bengals were under strain the whole fourth quarter trying to
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  Speaker 5: get back in it. They made it very difficult. I
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  Speaker 5: thought this was a really good, solid, important win. And
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  Speaker 5: it told me a lot about the team. Brian, this is,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to say it later, it's the kind of
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  Speaker 5: team you build really good seasons on. I mean, the
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  Speaker 5: kind of game that you build really good seasons on.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was really important and really impressive.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and Liam, Kai talked in his post-game speech to
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  Speaker 3: the team, it's up on Jaguar Social, his commentary there
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  Speaker 3: in the locker room in front of his team, that
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  Speaker 3: a year ago, they didn't finish. They were in the
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  Speaker 3: same spot, in the same locker room, and they couldn't
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  Speaker 3: finish the game. And here they are now, they've won
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  Speaker 3: 11 of their last 12, they have finished strong in
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  Speaker 3: many of those, but When you see where they are
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  Speaker 3: a year later, he called it growth, and.
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  Speaker 5: That's the key.
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  Speaker 3: This is still a team with growth potential in it.
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  Speaker 3: They are just getting started here at the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: the second season of Liam Cohen to be a contender
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  Speaker 3: in the National Football League.
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  Speaker 4: So to see that.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of growth, and as John mentioned, to go on
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  Speaker 3: the road against another team that considers itself a contender,
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  Speaker 3: and then this time to finish, to answer the bell,
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  Speaker 3: it was really impressive.
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  Speaker 1: What a difference a year makes. A good thing for
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars fans, certainly. And then we have to mention this,
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  Speaker 1: our final big thing, self-inflicted. Ten penalties for this team
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  Speaker 1: in the first half, 13 in the game, 125 penalty
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  Speaker 1: yards for the Jaguars. Liam Cohen says he's never seen
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  Speaker 1: anything like it.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen a part of anything like that before
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  Speaker 2: in my life. I mean, it just was– I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to say anything to get fined, but that was–
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  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to do that.
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  Speaker 5: No, I know. That was just mental.
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  Speaker 4: It was mental.
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  Speaker 2: I've just never– quite seen something that much in the
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  Speaker 2: first half of.
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  Speaker 5: The football game.
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars, Brian, end the day with 13. The Bengals
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  Speaker 1: ended up with 11. You can write it off. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: it was a unique situation. But learning how to deal
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  Speaker 1: with something like that and still find a way to win,
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  Speaker 1: that has to mean something as well.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, it certainly does.
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  Speaker 3: You commit 13 penalties on the road against the Bengals. Again,
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  Speaker 3: if you'd said this before the game, I would have said, well,
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  Speaker 3: there's no chance they're going to win, especially if you
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  Speaker 3: have a 50-yard kickoff return called back. if you have
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  Speaker 3: two touchdowns pulled off the board and a takeaway that
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  Speaker 3: went into Bengals territory.
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  Speaker 4: I have seen worse. Almost 30 years.
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  Speaker 3: To the day, the Jaguars lost a game in New
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  Speaker 3: England in 1996 in which they committed 17 penalties for
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  Speaker 3: 148 yards. It doesn't happen very often, obviously. They haven't
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  Speaker 3: done that since. But I've seen worse.
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  Speaker 1: It was weird.
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  Speaker 3: I know you're getting that little nervous tick like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: they just had a positive play.
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  Speaker 4: Where's the flag? That was how crazy it was.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there used to be a video where a coach
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  Speaker 5: called an official an over-officious jerk. That wasn't remotely what
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  Speaker 5: Liam was doing.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 5: But it did feel a little over-officious. At the same time,
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  Speaker 5: when you looked at some of the calls, they didn't
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  Speaker 5: seem like horrible calls, a lot of them. What was
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  Speaker 5: impressive was multiple moments, specifically where they would get behind
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  Speaker 5: the chains, come back and make up the ground and
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  Speaker 5: get back in it. Very few of those penalties, or
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  Speaker 5: remarkably few, hurt them in the big picture. They overcame
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  Speaker 5: a lot, overcame enough to win, and as Brian's been
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  Speaker 5: saying all morning, overcoming that on the road to win,
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  Speaker 5: even in the moment, never seeming to let what was
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  Speaker 5: going against them bother them, it was really impressive and
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  Speaker 5: probably the biggest takeaway from the game.
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  Speaker 1: All right, stay with us. It was a fun one yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Cardiac Cats got it done. We've got all the highlights
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  Speaker 1: after the break.
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  Speaker 2: He played his ass off today. I mean, he had
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  Speaker 2: the pick that gets called back. I thought he had
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  Speaker 2: a ton of PBUs. He was in there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he had the huge tackle, right, where he ended up
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  Speaker 2: knocking the dude out pretty good. I just thought Trav
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  Speaker 2: balled today, and there was a– We knew with Buster
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  Speaker 2: being down and Braswell being down, he's going to play
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  Speaker 2: every single snap of the game. Had some things for
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  Speaker 2: him on offense, but we just didn't feel like putting
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  Speaker 2: him out there. Oh, man, he gets hurt on offense.
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  Speaker 2: We're in a real bad spot. So didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: put ourselves at risk there, and I was very proud
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  Speaker 2: of the way Travis played defensively today.
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  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. trying to be your shutdown corner, and he
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  Speaker 1: sure looked like he's got one of those games on
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  Speaker 1: his resume that'll prove that point because forced into action probably.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about this cornerback rotation, but Monteric Brown, your
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  Speaker 1: other starting corner, not playing. Backup Christian Braswell, also not playing.
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  Speaker 1: So going into this game, you had to expect his
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  Speaker 1: numbers were going to be up 100% of the snaps.
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  Speaker 3: My favorite Travis moment yesterday was when Jordan Lewis intercepted
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  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, and he waves to him and says, follow me.
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  Speaker 4: You can see it on the tape.
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  Speaker 1: Here I come.
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  Speaker 3: And then he lays a block that allows Jordan to
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  Speaker 3: get to the outside and down the sideline. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he loves to play football. You've heard that from all
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  Speaker 3: of his teammates, both here and at the college level.
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  Speaker 3: He loves the game, and yesterday it looked like it
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  Speaker 3: loved him back.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure that he has played enough for
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  Speaker 5: us to have gotten the whole sample size. It's not
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  Speaker 5: criticizing him in any way. It was just his circumstance.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that we ever saw the sample size
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  Speaker 5: of physicality before. And yesterday he had two such plays,
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  Speaker 5: had an interception that probably could have turned the game
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  Speaker 5: really early. So that's two games in a row now
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  Speaker 5: where there's positive reason to talk about him. Big play.
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  Speaker 5: Big plays.
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  Speaker 4: This was one that was called back by penalty.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it didn't count, but it was still pretty cool,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why we're going to watch it, because not
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  Speaker 1: only making an interception, jukes out T. Higgins a little
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  Speaker 1: bit on the other end. So it was fun to watch,
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately.
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  Speaker 5: a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of these are gonna involve a penalty because that
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  Speaker 1: was just the way the game went.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Tee Higgins being a receiver, He's not used to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not ready to play deep. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't going to happen. He was not in a
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  Speaker 1: great spot for that. But Travis Hunter just showing his athleticism,
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  Speaker 1: and then when you see him kind of like take
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  Speaker 1: it back the other way on offense, it reminds you
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  Speaker 1: how explosive he can be with the ball in his hands.
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  Speaker 1: So let's move on from there. Another big point to
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  Speaker 1: this game, Jamar Chase got injured very early on in
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  Speaker 1: this game. It's a face mask penalty on Jarrion Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Then Ventrell Miller comes in with the hit. Had to
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  Speaker 1: leave the game with a concussion. Unfortunate. Just felt like
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  Speaker 1: he got kind of caught up with the face mask.
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  Speaker 1: He was facing the wrong way with that hit. But
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  Speaker 1: it affects the whole game when Jamar Chase isn't in.
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  Speaker 3: Perfectly legal hit. I mean, he was there to finish
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  Speaker 3: him off. And what happens there is you can see
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  Speaker 3: his head hit the turf. Ventrell comes and he is
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  Speaker 3: a missile.
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  Speaker 1: Ventrell can't be stopped when he's going. The train of Ventrell.
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  Speaker 5: I got a lot of questions about Will he be suspended?
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  Speaker 5: Will he be fined? I don't think so. I have
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  Speaker 5: no idea because, I mean, once those things get to
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  Speaker 5: other people, you never know.
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  Speaker 4: He wasn't flogged.
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  Speaker 5: Well, but that doesn't always matter in terms of fine.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't, I wouldn't expect that from this because
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  Speaker 5: it did not seem like something he could have avoided
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  Speaker 5: considering the circumstances of the play. I hope that, I
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  Speaker 5: hope nothing like that happens because I don't think that
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  Speaker 5: was the intent.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so either. Let's look at what would
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  Speaker 1: have been a pretty cool touchdown for Tootin, because Tootin
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  Speaker 1: had a great day. He had a couple almost sort
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  Speaker 1: of situations for him, because obviously they're getting wiped out
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  Speaker 1: by penalties, but he had such a... He was kind
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  Speaker 1: of getting those explosive runs. We felt like he was
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  Speaker 1: getting close to them, and he had a couple of them, but.
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  Speaker 3: He's getting a lot of production without the explosive runs.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to stay off this one because it's my
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  Speaker 3: hot topic, John.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's... It's close, and the running game is getting very,
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  Speaker 5: very impressive. This is probably your hot topic. I don't
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  Speaker 5: mean to walk away.
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  Speaker 4: No, go for it.
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  Speaker 5: They're already, going into this game, I think they were
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  Speaker 5: top 10. I don't know what their ranking is now.
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  Speaker 5: You usually build top five running games off explosives. They're
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  Speaker 5: going to get those. This, to me, is becoming a
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  Speaker 5: top five running offense.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm ready for that breakout game that it
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  Speaker 1: feels like it's just right around the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that Jordan Lewis interception, Brian, that you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. It came at a really kind of crucial
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  Speaker 1: time because it was a little bit slow for both
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  Speaker 1: teams out of the gate. But is it nine straight
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  Speaker 1: games they've had an interception?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, watch this right here. See him waving? He's saying,
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  Speaker 4: come on, follow me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the guy loves to play football, and he's
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  Speaker 3: delivering big hits both there and down the field against receivers.
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  Speaker 4: Boy, it was fun to watch. And for Jordan, it's
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  Speaker 4: his second interception of the season. Fourth is a Jaguar.
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  Speaker 4: And listen, you know the Jaguars have 13 games.
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  Speaker 3: Multi-takeaway games now going back to opening day 2025. Far
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  Speaker 3: and away the most in the NFL, John. I think
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  Speaker 3: I said this last week. They talk about it coming
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  Speaker 3: in bunches in terms of takeaways.
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  Speaker 4: It's not. It's their DNA. It's what they do.
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  Speaker 3: It's been instilled in them, and they practice it, and
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  Speaker 3: they deliver it. 39 takeaways since opening day 2025, tied
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  Speaker 3: with the Bears for most in the league.
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  Speaker 5: There are multiple impressive reasons why they win the games.
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  Speaker 5: The rushing defense, which we probably won't see in highlights
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  Speaker 5: because there's no highlight show.
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  Speaker 1: There was only 23 rush yards.
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  Speaker 5: There's not much to show. This team shuts opponents down,
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  Speaker 5: and they get interceptions in big situations. Without the interceptions yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: they lose the game.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let's take a look at the first touchdown of
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  Speaker 1: the game for the Jaguars because this is the guy
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about. How are they going to get involved? Well,
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  Speaker 1: he found... Found a broken coverage there, and Trevor, being
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  Speaker 1: who Trevor is now, finds him in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the end zone. And, Brian, you've talked about it before.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas still plays an important role in this offense,
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  Speaker 1: and he will come through when it's his time.
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  Speaker 3: Here's my hot take last week, not because I'm prescient,
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  Speaker 3: but because it was just so obvious. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is a guy with such great talent. There's no way
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  Speaker 3: they don't find a way to get him involved. The
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  Speaker 3: number of catches, notwithstanding, that one counted in.
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  Speaker 4: A big, big way.
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  Speaker 5: Well, people keep wanting... They remember the rookie season where
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  Speaker 5: there were different circumstances on this team, and they want
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  Speaker 5: those numbers back. I don't think the numbers are coming back.
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  Speaker 5: So if people can reshape the narrative around him and say,
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  Speaker 5: he is a really important part of a really good group,
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  Speaker 5: I think you're going to see a lot and like
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  Speaker 5: what you see out of him. I just don't think
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  Speaker 5: it's going to be 1,200-yard, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: Since you say it... Yesterday, the receivers had eight catches
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  Speaker 3: for 99 yards. Brenton Strange had seven for 95. That
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  Speaker 3: goes to that whole complete team theory. They can play
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  Speaker 3: any way they have to. They can lean on a
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  Speaker 3: tight end if they have to. They can lean at
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  Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers like they did against the Patriots or give
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  Speaker 3: the ball to the two running backs. They've got so
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  Speaker 3: many options that Brian Thomas is not likely to get
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  Speaker 3: the 10 touchdowns.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the touchdowns.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe.
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  Speaker 4: But probably not 84 catches, which is what led to
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  Speaker 4: the 1,200 yards.
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  Speaker 5: It's one reason they're overlooked. Nobody knows what they are.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Because they're just balanced.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think they like it that way. It could
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: be anybody's day on any given day. Let's look at
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: the Bengals' touchdown here. So going into the game, as mentioned,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: they were running with Jaron Jones and Travis Hunter. This
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: is over the middle. This is actually where Eric Murray
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: got hurt. I think at this point, Caleb Ransom was
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: already out with a knee injury, so they already had
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Rayon Lane in the game. And then coming in here,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Eric Murray going into concussion protocol after this. So Tough
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: play over there in the middle for them to get
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: a score, and then that's why this game was so,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: felt like get your heart rate up, because it just
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: was back and forth, much of what we saw in
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: games last season, but when you're facing an offense that
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: has Joe Burrow, you have to imagine they're going to score,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: but they didn't score as much as one would think.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: If you hold the Bengals to 17, or 17, anybody
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: back there, Liam would say, hey, we hold them to 17,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: you're supposed to win the game, because... This offense is
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: designed to score 20. The team is built to win
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: if they allow 17 points. It was a very classic
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: professional football game, in my opinion. You usually don't blow
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: teams out. The league's not designed to blow teams out.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: The Bengals were going to score. It was the fact
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: that the Jaguars, even when the Bengals were scoring, they
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: kept scoreboard pressure on them. They were making it hard.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: The Bengals could have won.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: But it would have been a game where they would
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: have walked out, the Jaguars would have walked out and gone, ah,
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: we deserve that game. Sometimes you lose the ones you deserve.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Credit this team for closing the door in a game.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: This is a good team, and they keep showing different
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: reasons why, meaning the Jaguars.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Let me give you another one.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Jaguars are the only team in the league to not
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: allow a first-half touchdown yet this season. And their 53
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: points allowed is the number one scoring defense in football.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: We see the big splash plays on offense and the takeaways,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: but it's the little details.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: They keep a team out of the end zone in
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: the first half. That means they're playing with a lead
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: in all likelihood.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: And in the second half, you've got an explosive offense
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and you've got a defense with some momentum.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: It helped that Jamar Chase wasn't in the game.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: A player of that caliber is going to raise their
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: expected points per play, but it didn't happen yesterday and
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars took advantage of it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: And playing from ahead is a completely different ball game,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: as we've learned over the years. So they're able to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: stay on game plan. Foya Lewakin with another interception on
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the day. And it is part of their DNA at
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: this point. Coming in a timely moment, again, in the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: red zone, keeping the Bengals from scoring there.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: To me, this was hands down the biggest play of
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: 100%.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It's always someone in the middle. It feels like the linebacker.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Somebody's doing something. And that was just a huge moment.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: That was a, to me, you wonder why veterans matter.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know how long Foye plays. This is what
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: they'll miss about him whenever he can't do it anymore.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not rushing that process. You know what I'm getting at.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: He's a veteran linebacker, and you wonder, well, what's the difference?
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: A rookie linebacker probably doesn't see the read that Foye saw.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: It doesn't have the film study. It doesn't have the experience,
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: the muscle memory. This was a big-time veteran play. It's
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: one he'll remember when he retires.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I talked to Foy in the locker room last week
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: because I said, you remind me of Paul Puzlesny, who
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: later in his career overcame the lack of quickness and
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: speed that befalls players as they get older with film study.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And that was clearly a play where he knew what
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: was coming because he lined up in the middle and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: then just at the snap of the ball works his
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: way outside.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Cool number about Foy. That was his 10th interception.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: He has 10 sacks in his career as well and
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: 10 fumble recoveries. That puts him with elite company in
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: terms of linebackers.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: T.J.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Watt and Fred Warner are the only other linebackers in
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: the league, only other players in the league right now,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: who have at least 10 sacks, 10 interceptions, and 10
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: forced fumbles.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know I've gushed already about the play. It's
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: a play that when we get to week 12, people
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: probably won't remember. Maybe because it wasn't flashy, it won't
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: be on our top 10 plays of the year. Your
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: own 10... You're up 16-10. They have momentum. They're picking
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: on Rayon in the back because he's new, and you
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: got the idea they're trying to figure that situation out.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: First down, a pass, and you intercept one of the
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: best quarterbacks in the league. It was a huge moment
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: in this early part of the season.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like it really kind of stymied their momentum
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: as well, which is huge in a game like this. Next,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: later on Jaguars possession, talk about Brenton Strange who had
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a day. He was clearly the guy that Trevor was
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: finding open in the offense with a big play over
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the middle, one of many he had on that day,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and then it leads into a Chris Rodriguez touchdown, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: we talk about what the running game was able to do. Yes,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: spatial tuning, but Chris Rodriguez has been so complimentary when
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he's in the game. We didn't know what the split
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: was going to look like, but Chris Rodriguez taking advantage
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of his carries.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I'm going to stay out. I'm going to talk about
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: the running game in my hot takes.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: It's... I.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Don't even think it's there yet. It's not.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That's why it's cool.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: But it's starting to look like you think Liam Cohen
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: wants it to look, meaning you can go to both guys.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: I asked Liam after the game, and it maybe didn't
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: really fit with the reality, but I asked him, was
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: this one where you get rewarded when you just stick
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: with it? And that's sure what it felt like. Again...
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: The sticking with the run and the getting yards in
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: big situations yesterday, along with the rushing offense, was, I think,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: the little hidden football things that made that win so important.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and let me touch on something. You mentioned Brenton
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Strange at the start of that drive. He also had
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: a key first down catch on the final. Well, it
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: wasn't the final drive because Trevor took a knee twice.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: But when the Jaguars were driving to get the ball
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: out of their territory, Brenton Strange came up with some
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: clutch catches yesterday.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Had a similar one early in the game.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: To get the Jaguars out, got a field goal. If
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: they don't get that early one where he makes the
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: guy miss, then all of a sudden the Bengals are
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: kicking a field goal.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Super important player.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Brenton had momentum tilting plays yesterday. Absolutely.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: He had seven reception on the eight targets, and that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: eighth one was a miss that Trevor pointed out. He
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: was like, my one miss of the day probably would
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: have clinched.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: It as well.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And again, we come out of Denver, we talk about
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: where's Jacoby and where's Brenton in back-to-back weeks.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Jacoby has six catches. Brenton has seven.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Seven out of eight, yeah. A lot happened in the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter, so I'll try to breeze through some of it,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: but a penalty on Trayvon for taunting. is what it is,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: out of character for Trayvon from what we've seen. They
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: were going to stop him, hopefully, and get the ball back,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and that kind of hopefully could run out of the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: clock and get a first down. We're getting close towards
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the end of the game there. That continued the drive
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: for the Bengals. They go on to get a touchdown
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: on this drive, and then it's, you know, it's a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: five-point game at this point. And then after this, the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Jaguars weren't able to get a first down. Parker Washington
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: stepping out of bounds, so the Bengals would get the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: ball back. And then on that drive, they were kind of, Dinkin'
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and Dunkin', a couple big plays, but then I will
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: give credit where it's due to the Jaguars because three
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: stops in a row and then the play we saw
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to Rayon Lane because as much credit as I want
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to give to every player that stepped up, Rayon Lane
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: over the middle, making this tackle where he made the tackle,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: going low, getting him short of the sticks, it was
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: just momentous.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many people have stopped me
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: in the last 14, 16 hours since this game ended
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to say how their heart was racing at the end
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: of it. But, John, I mean, despite the fact that
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars have had such a big margin of victory
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: over their last 12 games, this is how NFL games
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: are played, especially when you're facing an elite quarterback like
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Joe Burrow.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I had some people go, well, they had to stop
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: him on fourth down.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: They did stop them on fourth down.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And Burrow was going to get yards because he had
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: big-time players around him all day.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Didn't have them on that particular one. But Joe Burrow's
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: used to doing this.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: It's a game of inches, and it's a game of moments.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: They got the play in the moment they needed. Could
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: it have gone the other way? Sure, that game could
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: have gone the other way. But part of this league
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: is over the course of a season, we talked about
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: the stat getting up in the first half. The idea
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: is if you play 10 of these close games and
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: you put yourself in the situation the Jaguars did, which
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: is making the Bengals play uphill the entire game, yes,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: the Bengals could have won. But the Jaguars got up
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: by 12, which means the Bengals have to do everything right,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: have to win every moment like that to get back.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: That's what good teams do is they apply that pressure
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: and make it hard. Had they played that scenario at
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: the end of that game 10 times, Bengals probably score
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: a touchdown twice and win. But the Jaguars are really
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: good right now at making it hard for teams to
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: beat them. That gets you a long way in this league.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Listen, one of the most important characteristics of a winning
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: team in the NFL, and you've said it three or
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: four times this morning, is finding a way to win, right?
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Finding a way when you're trailing. Find a way when
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: the other team is chasing. They found a way, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: they got it done.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: And the taunt. Come on. Come on. I mean, it's football.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I could go on and on. I don't want to
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: get fined. But, ew, he taunted. You can't taunt me.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Not today.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be back
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and we'll tell you our hot takes after that. Hey, Van,
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• 24:50
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• 24:54
  Speaker 5: I think this was big for him, obviously.
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: And this was not like a, I mean, obviously it
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: was a, a regular game, like a regular season game,
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: but I think this was against a good quality opponent,
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: a great offense, and for them to step in and
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: make plays, I think that's a huge boost to their confidence.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Jarrion Jones playing 100% of the snaps. Travis Hunter playing 100%
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: of the snaps, so not much of a rotation on
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the back end in that one.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: He's met a lot of guys.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Some of that was injury necessitated, but... They played well.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: They're not getting away from the rotation. People can complain
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: about it all they want. I talked to Matt Arujo
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: last week. They think that the rotation keeps them fresh,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: gets good players on the field. They are not getting
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: away from it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: All right, Brian, we've heard about the run game. Tell
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: us your hot take.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: All right, the run game is ready, and I want
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: to go to, you went to the Foye-Lewikun interception, the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: very next play, right? You take the ball away, but
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you've got it deep in your own territory, and the
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Bengals had shown momentum coming down the field. Basial Tootin
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: rips off the longest run of his career, a 20-yarder.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: It was a thing of beauty because they talk about
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: yards over expectable. This is a perfect example of it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: He hits the hole that was created by Brenton Strange.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: But Strange didn't move his guy out, so he bounces
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: it to the outside and goes 20 yards.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: That was a critical moment for the Jaguars. Not because
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: they scored on the drive. They didn't.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: They ended up having to punt. But it completely flipped
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: the field. So here's what you have. You have Basial
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Tootin at 4.6 yards per carry. You have Chris Rodriguez
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: at 4.3.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: And they're doing it really well.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: With two explosive runs, the 20-yard run that you got
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: from facial and the 25-yard touchdown run. That, to me,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: second half, a couple of explosive runs when you needed
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it the most in the fourth quarter, and you finally
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: got it. They've been productive. They've been efficient. They've been successful,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: but they haven't been explosive. We saw it in the
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: fourth quarter yesterday. They have the ability to do it,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: and it looks like right now, They're on track to
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: be able to start showing that explosiveness on a more
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: regular basis. Now, big challenge this week. Philadelphia is massive inside.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Big guys on the inside. And you've got Jalen Carter
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: and Jordan Davis, and they're great players.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Go do it again.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have a stat for this. I'm sure
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: there is one. But in addition to the explosive plays,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: doesn't it feel like they have more plays where it
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: looks like it's going to be one or two yards?
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: And all of a sudden the pile kind of rolls
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: in their favor and they've got four or five. I mean,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: and it seems like they're pushing people around a little
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: bit more. It's hard to push everybody around in this league,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: but it just feels like Brian, I'm with you. There's
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: some high profile reasons. This team is good. This running
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: game being consistent. I think every game has been over
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: a hundred yards or every game has been 115. Maybe
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Denver was a little lower. But it feels like it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: becoming something they can rely on in this physicality mode.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: It's what they wanted, and I think they've achieved it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And how much better is your very efficient quarterback who's
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: playing at an extremely high level? How much better is
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: he when the running game is consistently producing these kinds
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: of plays?
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: It is really going to take the offense to another level.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: If we're right about what we're seeing, it puts this
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: offense very hard to stop. And to me, it elevates
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: them into one of the two or three, four best
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: teams in the league.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: You bet.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Um, I went with, uh, this is the kind of
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: game kind of win that you build playoff seasons on. Uh,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: and it's striking how early in the season, these kinds
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: of games sometimes get overlooked. Uh, I think when we
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: look back on this season, it might be one that
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: you forget, right? Cause it wasn't a blowout. It, I
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: don't know how the Bengals will fare moving forward. They
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: didn't have a spectacular play. But when you go on
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: the road in hostile environments and figure out a way
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: to win those, I think this team's anywhere from a
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: 10 to 13 win team this year. Losing these early
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: is what sort of knocks you down to 10 and
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: has you fighting for wild card. Winning these is what
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: the ones that are overlooked are often the most important ones.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: And I think this is one of those.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Liam Cohen has won seven.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: His team has won seven of their ten road games
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: in his tenure here. That one is as important and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: as impressive as any because of who you were playing
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: and when you were playing them.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: And it gets, I mean, we all talked, oh, this
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: early season schedule is tough. And it is. And then
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: even in the inbox, it's like once you win them,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: the fans sort of forget that these were tough games
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: to win. At 1-1, you're staring at the Patriots who
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: were in the Super Bowl last year, and you're staring
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: at the Bengals. You got them at home. You haven't
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: beaten them in three or four meetings. You know, 1-3
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: was a possibility. You know, they've now gotten themselves sort
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: of above water where you can go on and make
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: some hay.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: It was a really impressive last two weeks.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: It's also a game we looked at last year when
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: we looked back on week two and we're like, if
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: they had won that, it would have affected so much
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: more because there's always a game you lose later in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the season that you should win. And that's why it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: so important to get these wins early on when you
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: can so that you're not, you know, trying to make,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: have to win nine games in a row on the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: back end of the season. So for me, I'm going
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to disagree with Brian a little bit. And I know
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: what has been said. Rotate if you must, but not
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: number 12. We saw Travis Hunter play 100% of the
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: snaps on defense and he didn't play on offense. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: we know they're going to work him back into the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: offense a little bit. But part of that predicated by
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: injury because they didn't have Monteric Brown out there nor
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Christian Braswell. So Travis Hunter was forced into playing. But
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: unless he needs a breather, I need to see more because... John,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: we talked about it earlier, that physicality we hadn't seen
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: from him. Saw a lot of it in this matchup,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the tackling and blocking for his teammates when they got
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: an interception. Travis Hunter can do many special things. It's
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: time to give him the runway to do that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be interesting how they play that. What will
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: they consider rotating? Is 100% the answer? Is 92% the answer?
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I guess I can see both sides.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I can see the rotation concept. uh i also like
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: you said guy this kid does special things on on
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: defense and the way he played yesterday you know before
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: to me it's always been sort of foyer uh josh
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: and trayvon as sort of your identity pieces on defense
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: uh and antonio antonio i deserve to be in that
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: but in the last couple games all of a You know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: everybody talks about energy these days and the boost.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Lifting those around you.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's done that a couple times, and you're
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: starting to wonder how much do you want him off
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: the field on that side of the ball.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: For the record, you didn't disagree with me. You disagree
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: with Matt Arujo.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. All right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: He knows where to find God.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Stay with us. We'll tell you what's coming up
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the rest of the week after the break.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: That's our offense.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: It's going to be. it's not everyone's day every Sunday.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: That's the hard part about it. There's only one football,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: and just our guys showing that they're ready. BT obviously
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: had the touchdown. Brenton had a huge day. Our backs
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: did some awesome things today. I mean, just the ball
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: finds who's open and what the defense kind of dictates,
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: and I think that's a good thing about our guys
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: is they're not selfish. They're pretty selfless with how they
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: approach the game plan and the week and They know
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: that the ball's going to find who's open, and I'm
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: trying to do my best, obviously, to get guys the
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: ball in space and let them go play, and I
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: think guys have done a really good job with it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Selfless receivers, selfless quarterback. It's a good place to be,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and it makes it hard for, I think, other teams
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to predict what the Jaguars are going to look like
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: because it's a different guy every week.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Look, Brian, you know where I'm going with this. This
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: franchise is down for a long, long time. They've won
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: 16 out of the last 21 games.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I wrote it, and it's going to sound sappy, the
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: old guy in me. Savor this. This is the fun stuff.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: And I get a lot of heart attacks at the
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: end of that game, and it was stressful. You're going
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: to have those. This is a good team that if
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: it stays healthy, if it continues to hear Liam and
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: keeps playing hard with the energy, it's going to be 11-6,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: 12-5 kind of team. That doesn't mean they're going to
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: coast 15-point wins every week, but it's a good team.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: There are more of the close games, and that's what
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you want because that's the way the league is built.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: It means that you are a team that can win
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the close games when they're there, and that's what we
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: haven't necessarily seen because they've been able to put up
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of points. But you're not going to be
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: able to do that week in and week out. The
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: league says that most games are decided by eight points
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: or less.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And by the way, those two crappy teams the Jaguars beat,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Cleveland's 3-1 and the Patriots beat the Bills.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I was just about to say in Buffalo. That quarterback rebounded.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: So it's just the way that the league is. Yes,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: we saw a lot of losing football around here for
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: a number of years. It feels like we're at the
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: very beginning of a stretch that could rival those 90s
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: teams in terms of winning and in terms of bringing
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: big moments to Jaguars fans in North Florida, and it's exciting.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: They check a lot of boxes on the things that
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: make good teams.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good point to say as well,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: whenever that next loss is, This team is built on
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: a foundation where they're not going to fall apart. The
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: next loss is OK. That's unfortunate. But they're going to rebound.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And this isn't something where they're just waiting for the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: gust of wind to blow the house of cards over.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Everything here is very much in a place where if
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: they do face adversity, there's going to be a bounce back.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a good place to be.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: The question is not going to be how will this
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: team respond the next time they lose.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Nope. It's going to be a bit of a weird week.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: The team's getting ready to head to London, so we'll
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: be back with you on Wednesday as we get ready
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: for that trip across the pond for two more games.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Enjoy Victory Monday.