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The Kenny Report | 9 February · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 3: Kenny Report. Tonight, the Israeli President comforts Australians at BONDI
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  Speaker 3: demands more action against anti Semitism globally, while anti Israel
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  Speaker 3: protesters disrupt our cities. I'll cross to the protests and
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  Speaker 3: get insights from Labor, Liberal and Jewish leaders. Susan Lee
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  Speaker 3: is about to become the first female former leader of
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  Speaker 3: the Federal Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 1: What next for the coalition?
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  Speaker 3: Also, the Epstein files claim a victim in England.
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Orsworth will join us from the.
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  Speaker 3: UK, and plenty of bad stuff to discuss with gematone
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  Speaker 3: Uni and Carolinda also, but also the Aussie super Bowl hero.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: The Opposition leader Susan Lee is finished, whether the incomes
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  Speaker 3: this week or in a few weeks time. She can't
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  Speaker 3: stay on this morning's news.
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  Speaker 1: Poll put paid to that now.
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  Speaker 3: Sure the poll was taken before Lee and National's leader
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  Speaker 3: David littl prowd put there on again, off again coalition
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  Speaker 3: back together again yesterday, but that circus probably would.
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  Speaker 1: Have only made it worse by reminding voters about the
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  Speaker 1: soap opera that's going on.
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  Speaker 3: That's presuming, of course, it could get any worse. In
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  Speaker 3: the latest News poll, which has long been regarded as
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  Speaker 3: the most reliable of the public opinion polls, the Coalition
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  Speaker 3: parties have recorded their lowest primary vote ever, just eighteen
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  Speaker 3: percent between them and this while One Nation surges to
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven percent, the once great Liberal Party attracting support
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  Speaker 3: from fewer than one in six voters, the coalition parties
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  Speaker 3: together winning over fewer than one in five voters, and
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  Speaker 3: One Nation getting the tick from more and a quarter
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  Speaker 3: of voters. Sampled on these numbers, even though Labor is
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  Speaker 3: traveling badly, they'd win even more seats if there was
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  Speaker 3: an election held now.
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  Speaker 4: This is disastrous for the Liberal Party. It's disastrous for
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  Speaker 4: the Coalition. Unless something changes, we will be wiped out.
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  Speaker 4: I've been looking at the numbers, just running a ruler
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  Speaker 4: over the pendulum, and I don't think that at this
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  Speaker 4: point there will be a single member of the House
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  Speaker 4: of Representatives from Victoria. There won't be a single member
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  Speaker 4: of the House of Representatives from New South Wales. Something
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  Speaker 4: has to give. We had our lowest primary vote ever
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  Speaker 4: at the last election and it's now nearly halved. So
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  Speaker 4: something has to change, and it has to change quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Something has to change, all right.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a lot more going wrong here than just
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  Speaker 3: the leadership, for sure, but the starting point has to
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  Speaker 3: be the performance of the leader.
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  Speaker 2: The proper place to have that discussion is inside the
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  Speaker 2: party room. In public, we must present a credible alternative
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  Speaker 2: to the Australian people. When people see disunity, and when
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  Speaker 2: they see politicians talking about themselves in camera instead of
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  Speaker 2: talking about the real needs of struggling Australians, they mark
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  Speaker 2: us down.
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  Speaker 1: Is your job safe?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 6: It is.
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  Speaker 7: Are you expecting a spill?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess she has to say that, doesn't she
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  Speaker 3: right up until she gets the knock on the door,
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  Speaker 3: and that could come later this week. With former Shadow
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  Speaker 3: treasurer Angus Taylor expected to challenge Senator Jane Hume was
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  Speaker 3: asked this morning when she said, as you just saw
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  Speaker 3: that something had to give, Well, she was asked exactly
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  Speaker 3: what that might mean.
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  Speaker 4: It's a question for our leaders, our leaders of the
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party who have seen their primary vote fall too
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  Speaker 4: fifteen percent, and our leaders of the National Party, who,
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  Speaker 4: despite an awful lot of posturing, has a primary vote
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  Speaker 4: of three percent. That is entirely unsustainable. No wonder my
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  Speaker 4: colleagues are going back to their election electorates and saying
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  Speaker 4: this is embarrassing. We've been working on Gallows, humor and optimism,
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  Speaker 4: but that's not good enough. Something more has to give it.
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  Speaker 3: Sure does think about that, Think about the MPs going
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  Speaker 3: back to their electorates and being embarrassed to identify themselves
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  Speaker 3: as coalition MPs. Now, one part of the puzzle has
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  Speaker 3: to be a leadership ticket who might slot into the
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  Speaker 3: deputy's job if Taylor were to take over as leader.
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  Speaker 3: And one unusual but plausible pairing that's being put around
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  Speaker 3: in the Liberal Party is Senator Hume herself stepping up
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  Speaker 3: to be deputy leader. Deputies are usually from the House
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  Speaker 3: of Reps rather than from the Senate, but if the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals could tolerate a deputy from the Senate, then this
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  Speaker 3: pairing does make a lot of sense. Taylor is a conservative,
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  Speaker 3: Hume is a moderate, so you've got the whole party
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  Speaker 3: covered there. Taylor's from New South Wales and Humors from Victoria,
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  Speaker 3: the two most populous states covered.
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  Speaker 1: And Hume, of course is a woman.
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  Speaker 3: If I could be so binary, Ted O'Brien could stay
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  Speaker 3: on as deputy, but a bit of gender balance in
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  Speaker 3: the leadership team will be an important consideration, a big
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  Speaker 3: part of the puzzle for many we will see. But
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  Speaker 3: the coalition of course needs much more than an orderly
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  Speaker 3: change at the top. It needs stronger policies, stronger arguments,
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  Speaker 3: better organization and in the medium term, an infusion of
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  Speaker 3: talent too. The hateful protesters have already won in a
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  Speaker 3: way normal laura By citizens have lost out. The overwhelming
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  Speaker 3: majority of Australians who support Israel and stand in solidarity
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  Speaker 3: with the Australian Jewish population. Well, we've lost out too
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  Speaker 3: because the feral protesters who have been on our streets
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  Speaker 3: for more than two years, since only hours after more
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  Speaker 3: than twelve hundred Israelis were slaughtered on October the seventh,
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Well, today they've conspired to dominate the
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  Speaker 3: news and disrupt our lives again, despite new hate speech laws,
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  Speaker 3: despite new protest laws, despite a massive and expensive police presence.
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  Speaker 3: Many Sydney siders from major companies were urged to work
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  Speaker 3: from home today to stay away from our nation's most
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  Speaker 3: important CBD because the protesters would be out and about
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  Speaker 3: some school events were canceled, Traffic has been disrupted, all
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  Speaker 3: because people who pretend to support Palestine, but time and
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  Speaker 3: time again, by their words and actions, show us that
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  Speaker 3: all they really do is hate Israel, that they want
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  Speaker 3: a whole country and its people gone from the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: All this trouble and disruption because these people want to
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  Speaker 3: force their hateful views on the rest of us. President
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  Speaker 3: Isaac Hertzog called them out this morning when he paid
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  Speaker 3: his respects at Bondai soon after arriving.
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  Speaker 9: These demonstrations, in most cases, what you hear and see
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  Speaker 9: comes to undermine and diligent demize our right, my nation's rate,
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  Speaker 9: the nation which I am the head of state, of
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  Speaker 9: of its mere existence and its contradictory to whatever ever
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  Speaker 9: said was said and done by Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not pro anything, They're anti Israel. And that
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  Speaker 3: sort of antipathy towards a Jewish state, well, it stems
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  Speaker 3: from a dark place in human history. Be clear about
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  Speaker 3: these protesters. They didn't protest against the slaughter of innocent
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  Speaker 3: Israelis and taking of hostages after October the seventh, twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty three, quite the opposite. In fact, on the back
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  Speaker 3: of women and children and men and babies and grandparents
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  Speaker 3: being tortured, burned, raped.
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  Speaker 1: Murdered and mutilated.
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  Speaker 3: The pro Palestinian mobs took to our streets to celebrate
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  Speaker 3: this episode. They described it as a victory, and with
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  Speaker 3: their chance, they openly targeted Jews, supporters of Israel, Jews
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  Speaker 3: in our country. What level of depravity is this. Did
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  Speaker 3: these people take to the streets to protest against the
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  Speaker 3: evil theocratic regime in Iran slaughtering tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 3: innocent Muslims in recent weeks.
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  Speaker 1: No, they did not. They've remained quite on the.
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  Speaker 3: Atrocities of the Ayatola and his henchmen, the same Aatola
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  Speaker 3: whose photo was paraded around by these protesters when they
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  Speaker 3: marched across the Harbor Bridge demonizing Israel last year. No
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  Speaker 3: protests from these people about innocent Muslims mowned down in
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  Speaker 3: their own streets by their own government. And did local
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  Speaker 3: activists protest against the killing of fifteen innocent Australians at
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  Speaker 3: Bondo Beach eight weeks ago. There weren't any marches in
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  Speaker 3: the streets condemning this slaughter. No, the so called human
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  Speaker 3: rights activists, they were not moved to protests then, But
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  Speaker 3: they're out and about again today because the President of
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  Speaker 3: Israel has come to commemorate those Australian victims. President Herzog
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  Speaker 3: has come to comfort the survivors of Bondai and the
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  Speaker 3: Australian Jewish community that lives in the fa that's lived
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  Speaker 3: in fear since October seventh, and especially since the horrors
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  Speaker 3: of the Bondou Beach attack. Yet during the President's visit,
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  Speaker 3: these protesters are fellow Australians. They meet this moment of
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  Speaker 3: humanity with hatred and division, with lies and demonization. These
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  Speaker 3: are not serious people. These are not sensible people. These
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  Speaker 3: are not compassionate people, and they're not human rights activists.
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  Speaker 3: They're not decent people. They are bullies and haters and anarchists.
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  Speaker 3: They've fanned, fanned the flames of hatred in this country.
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  Speaker 3: They've created a climate in which unprecedented violence has occurred.
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  Speaker 3: And now they seek not just to disrupt the city
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  Speaker 3: and cities around this country tonight, they seek to disrupt
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  Speaker 3: the mourning and commemoration of innocent victims from Bondai.
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  Speaker 1: They shame our nation. They revealed the weakness.
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  Speaker 3: Of our governments and authorities, and surely they discussed all
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  Speaker 3: thinking Australians. The hatred directed at Israel and Jews was
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  Speaker 3: highlighted over the weekend when Israeli athletes were booed at
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  Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics. Think about what sort of a person
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  Speaker 3: would do that. Think about the message that sends to
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  Speaker 3: the world, especially with the sickening history of the Palestinian
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  Speaker 3: Liberation Organization's terror attack against the Israeli team at the
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  Speaker 3: Munich Olympics in nineteen seventy two.
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  Speaker 1: But this is what.
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  Speaker 3: Israelis and Jews are forced to live with unless we
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  Speaker 3: stand up. The President made a pertinent point about this
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  Speaker 3: challenge at Bondai today.
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  Speaker 9: We stood with Australian Jews for we are one big
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  Speaker 9: family and when one Jewy is hurt, all Jews feel
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  Speaker 9: their pain. That is why I'm here today to embrace
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  Speaker 9: and console the bereed families. Anti Semitism here in Australia
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  Speaker 9: is not a Jewish problem. It is an Australian problem
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  Speaker 9: and a global problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, It's obvious, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: But this issue too many don't understand this issue, this struggle,
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  Speaker 3: it belongs to all of us. Much of the animosity
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  Speaker 3: against israel Is fueled by misinformation, claims of genocide, claims
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  Speaker 3: of deliberate starvation, claims of targeting civilians.
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  Speaker 1: You've heard it all over the past couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: And fundamental to this is the propaganda that's come out
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  Speaker 3: of Gaza from Humas, often described as the Gaza and
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  Speaker 3: Health Ministry or other bodies, but always effectively just whatever
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  Speaker 3: is pushed out by Hummas.
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  Speaker 1: It's the long term, long time.
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  Speaker 3: Governing entity of Gaza at the same time that it's
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  Speaker 3: a murderous Islamist terrorist outfit. As this horrible war has
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  Speaker 3: gone on, much of the world's media has simply repeated
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  Speaker 3: and amplified this propaganda, unproven claims about numbers of children
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  Speaker 3: being killed, or even clearly false claims about the targeting
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  Speaker 3: of hospitals and the like. And when people have fed
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  Speaker 3: these lies and they believe them, well, obviously it fuels
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  Speaker 3: animosity towards Israel. And crucial to this debate is the
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  Speaker 3: official death count, and there were uncorroborated reports over the
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  Speaker 3: weekend that an Israeli official had confirmed Hummus's claim that
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  Speaker 3: seventy thousand people had been killed in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: During the war.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's an extraordinarily low number for more than two
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  Speaker 3: years of war in a heavily populated urban area, but
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  Speaker 3: that could indeed be the toll. And let me stress
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  Speaker 3: that any civilian casualties, especially children, is shocking, harrowing. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: it's intolerable. This death and trauma deliberately triggered for the
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  Speaker 3: people of Gaza by Hummas is intolerable. But so many
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  Speaker 3: blame Israel, even when, as I've discussed many times and
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  Speaker 3: shown you, it clearly went to great lengths to minimize
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  Speaker 3: civilian casualties, giving up the element of surprise, for instance,
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  Speaker 3: by warning Gazans exactly where it's going to bomb and when,
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  Speaker 3: and providing safe passage for civilians.
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  Speaker 1: Out of there.
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  Speaker 3: Israel has argued the number of civilian casualties has been
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  Speaker 3: exaggerated by Hummas, whose soldiers and terrorists operate in civilian
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  Speaker 3: clothing among civilians.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where.
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  Speaker 3: Another story is illuminating. Again, it's impossible to independently verify,
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  Speaker 3: but there is widespread reporting that Hummus is paying a
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  Speaker 3: new stipend to the widows of its operatives, of its
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  Speaker 3: operatives from this Gaza war, and the number quoted.
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  Speaker 1: Is fifty thousand.
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  Speaker 3: That's fifty thousand widows of Hummus fighters. Clearly, that suggests
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  Speaker 3: that the overwhelming majority of those killed in the Gaza
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  Speaker 3: war have been Hummus terrorists and operatives. We may never know,
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  Speaker 3: but we have to try to find the facts because
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  Speaker 3: the facts matter, and too often in the public demonization
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  Speaker 3: of Israel by the media, the facts don't seem to
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  Speaker 3: matter at all. Now I want to remind you of
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  Speaker 3: a comment by the ABC's Global Affairs editor Laura Tingle.
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  Speaker 3: Remember her nonsensical and ignorant framing of the Bondai terrorist attack.
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  Speaker 10: These two men were got nothing to do with religious
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  Speaker 10: These two men were got nothing to do with religion.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing to do with religion.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about the dangerous absurdity of that at the time,
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  Speaker 3: But today, discussing the President's visit on ABCTV, Tingles seemed
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  Speaker 3: to correct herself, suddenly grasping the central role of religion.
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  Speaker 10: Every Australians were out trying to celebrate a Jewish festival
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  Speaker 10: and were attacked for their religious identity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well there you go.
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  Speaker 3: Still, she couldn't help herself telling her ABC audience that
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  Speaker 3: opposition to telling her ABC audience about the level of
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  Speaker 3: opposition to President Herzog's visit.
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  Speaker 10: Not just pro Palestinian groups, but large sections of the
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  Speaker 10: Jewish community itself are very unhappy about President Herzog visiting Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Large sections of the Jewish community are opposed to this visit.
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  Speaker 3: There are about one hundred and twenty thousand and people
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  Speaker 3: in the Australian Jewish community according to the census, and Tingle,
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  Speaker 3: to back up her claim, cited a letter signed by
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  Speaker 3: six hundred people. So a collection of six hundred is
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  Speaker 3: portrayed as large sections of the Jewish community.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about less than one percent of the community.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, this is about half of one percent, zero
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  Speaker 3: point five percent of the Jewish community, which in Tingles
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  Speaker 3: speak or in ABC speak, is large sections. In reality,
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  Speaker 3: the only comforting thing about the Israel haters and the
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  Speaker 3: protesters is that they represent such a tiny fraction of
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  Speaker 3: our population. Facts matter, numbers matter, the truth matters. Let's
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  Speaker 3: check in on these protests now and go straight to
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  Speaker 3: SKYEW senior reporter Matt Taylor, who's at Sydney's town hall
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  Speaker 3: ahead of the rally due to start in the next
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  Speaker 3: half hour. So thanks for joining us, Matt, to give
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  Speaker 3: us a sense of the numbers and the anticipation then.
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  Speaker 8: Hi there, Chris, while they're expecting five thousand, and you'd
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  Speaker 8: have to say that the numbers certainly look like they're
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  Speaker 8: going to hit that mark. We do have some breaking news.
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  Speaker 8: It's just come out in the last thirty minutes or
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  Speaker 8: so as well, with the New South Wales Supreme Court
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  Speaker 8: rejecting a challenge to the Major Event declaration that was
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  Speaker 8: announced over the weekend by the New South Wales Police
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  Speaker 8: and the New South Wales Government giving special powers to police.
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  Speaker 8: The protest organizers wanted that overturn because they want to
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  Speaker 8: march from here at Sidney Town Hall to New South
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  Speaker 8: Wales Parliament and under these changes they wouldn't be allowed
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  Speaker 8: to do that, so they've gone to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 8: But in the last thirty minutes that decisions come through
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  Speaker 8: that that has been rejected. So what police are worried
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  Speaker 8: about now is that this protest is going to begin
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  Speaker 8: marching from here at town Hall down to New South
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  Speaker 8: Wales Parliament. A couple of blocks where just at the
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  Speaker 8: edge at the entrance to town Hall where police just
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  Speaker 8: moved everyone off of the stairs and corraling them into
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  Speaker 8: the park which is right next door right next to
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  Speaker 8: Saint Andrew's Church here in downtown Sydney. So you can
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  Speaker 8: imagine what police are doing right now is trying to
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  Speaker 8: contain everyone into this parked area so that we do
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  Speaker 8: not see protesters spilling onto the street, which they are
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  Speaker 8: not allowed to do under of course, these protests restrictions
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  Speaker 8: that are enacted after BONDAI as a large crowd. So far,
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  Speaker 8: things are expected to kick off in the next fifteen
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  Speaker 8: minutes or so, so we'll monitor this for you throughout
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  Speaker 8: the course of the next little while.
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  Speaker 1: A large police presence.
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  Speaker 8: There are a police all along George Street here on
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  Speaker 8: Sydney to make sure that protesters do not spill onto
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  Speaker 8: the streets. They are allowed to be here in protests
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  Speaker 8: peacefully within a contained location, but once they start to
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  Speaker 8: get on the move, that's when potentially things could become
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  Speaker 8: a little bit more difficult.
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  Speaker 3: Chris, Thanks, Matt, keep an eye on things. We'll cross
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  Speaker 3: back to you later in the program. Appreciate it, Matt Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: They're alive at Town Hall in Sydney. Obviously they'll get there,
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  Speaker 3: they'll have their rally, there'll be some speaking, the usual
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  Speaker 3: chance and the like, but the test will come as
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  Speaker 3: Matt explained, When and if the protesters seek to take
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  Speaker 3: that onto the streets, we'll see whether the police prevent
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  Speaker 3: them from doing so, or if indeed.
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  Speaker 1: They even attempt to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Canberra now and catch up with the
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  Speaker 3: Shadow Education Minister and leading member of the Australian Jewish community,
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  Speaker 3: Julian Lisa Julian, thanks thanks for joining us. I want
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  Speaker 3: to start off on the president's visit and the animosity
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  Speaker 3: it's caused from some.
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  Speaker 1: Firstly, this ABC claim that.
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  Speaker 3: Large sections of the Jewish community are opposed to the visit.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give me your sense of that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Chris, you are absolutely right to call that out
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  Speaker 6: for the rubbish that it is. The overwarm majority of
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  Speaker 6: Jewish Australians support the state of Israel, believe that it
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  Speaker 6: has the right to exist, and take great comfort from
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  Speaker 6: the presence of the present of Israel here at a
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  Speaker 6: time when the Jewish community is morning, when our community,
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  Speaker 6: the Jewish community was targeted, specifically at the Bondai terror attack.
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  Speaker 1: Israel is a friendly nation.
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  Speaker 6: It's a country that helped Australia get through that terrorist
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  Speaker 6: attack by sending some of its paramedics and other people
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  Speaker 6: to help deal with the situation. It's entirely appropriate the
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  Speaker 6: President is here. And what has comforted me is that
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  Speaker 6: there are people in my community in the electorate of
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  Speaker 6: Berra who are not Jewish who've approached me just to
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  Speaker 6: tell me how much they support the president coming here
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  Speaker 6: and that they please that the president of a friendly
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: nation is comforting the Jewish community at this time.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: He spoke very well today, both in a short speech
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and in the answers answers to a few questions. I'll
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: show some more of that later on in the program,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: but we gave some examples of that in my opening.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Tell me about the reception he's received here and whether
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: that's acceptable that there's so much animosity, seemingly from a
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: government that's ambivalent about extended the invitation but they see
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: ambivalent about it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: Well, Yas, I'm very upset that the President has received
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: this sort of animosity from people. I don't think it
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: will face him one bit, and it certainly doesn't face
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: the Jewish community in Australia. And sadly we've got used
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: to these protests that are going on all the time.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: I've got a very simple message to the protesters stop
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: retraumatizing your fellow Australians who are suffering from reeling from
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: the attacks at Bondi, and have a thought for your
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: fellow Australians at this time. This behavior is unacceptable. They
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: should not be able to shut down the whole city.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: I'm pleased to see the Supreme Court decision today and
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: I would call on the police to enforce the law.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Well, it's going to be a test, I would argue,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm certain you would agree with me that they
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: have been too soft. Governments and police too soft on
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: these anti Israel pro Palestinian protests right from December the eighth,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. They need to try and put the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: genie back in the bottle. And this week is going
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: to test them. We'll see how they go. Yeah, well
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: they need to tape up this week.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: And this is this is why as soon as the
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: President's visit was announced, I wrote to Commission Lanyon and
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: I called on him to extend the bands that he
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: put in place now around Bondi and around other Jewish
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: communal infrastructure. People have the right to protest, but if
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: they want to change the foreign policy of the country,
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: come to Canberra. The Federal Parliament makes foreign policy, not
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: places in the city of Sydney, and it's time that
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: we've got our streets back now.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I know you are very loyal to your leader, Susan Lee,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and in particular because of the way she campaigned so
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: strongly for a Royal commission in the wake of the
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Bondai terrorist attack. But don't you accept that at eighteen
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: percent the Coalitions News poll numbers mean that she is finished.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: There just has to be a changer. There has to
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: be a lot else change, of course, but you can't
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: stay on as leader when you've presided over the worst
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: ever polling in the Coalition's history.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: Chris, those poles reflect the fact that the Coalition split.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: The Australian people don't want to see the coalition split.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Our supporters don't want.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: To see it split. I don't want to see it split,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm pleased it's back together.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: People forget that as a result of Susan Lee's actions
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: in Bondi Acture, the poles were.
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: Starting to improve for us.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And you're right. I do support Susan because with Susan.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: I went around Bondi and the wake of the attack,
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: I sat with people in hospital who had loved ones
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: in intensive care. I met the families of the victims,
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: and Susan's leadership caused the Parliament to come back here
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: and to pass laws to boot hate preachers and to
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: deal with radical Islamists like his Bookteria and now Nazis.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: If it were not for.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Susan Lee, our country wouldn't be safe. Our country wouldn't
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: be as safe as it has become today. So I
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: back her leadership in relation to.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: This, Hypothetically, is there any problem with the deputy leader
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: position in the Federal Liberal Party being held by a
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: senator rather than a House of Reps MP.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to deal with those matters, Chris.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: I've been focused on dealing with my portfolio responsibilities, which
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: is in education, and I've been discussed this week on
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: the theme of the things that we're talking about on
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: the indoctrination of children in the classrooms, the hijacking of
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Bluey in order to make points about the anti Israel cause.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: It's just extraordinary to me that a time of declining standards,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: we've got people trying to hijack blue and use it
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: for a pro Palestine, anti Israel cause in the classrooms.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: Let's get back to teaching students for three hours. Let's
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: get back to raising our standards, not indoctrinating kids about terrorism.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are out of time.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about what the teachers are doing
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: with this Sandi Israel cause in the classroom. We will
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: come back to that later in the week, I'm certain.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Julian, Julian and Lisa,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: they are the shadow Education Minister. I want to now
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: get a labor perspective from the former Labor Minister, Mike Kelly,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: who served as a colonel and a Director of Army
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Legal Services in the Australian Defense Forces. He's joined us
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: before on these issues. Obviously you're also a member of
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Labour's Friends of Israel. Great to talk to you again, Mike.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: You wrote a powerful piece in this Morning's Australian. You
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: talked about the rank hypocrisy we're seeing in opposition to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: President Herzog's visit. You must be very distressed by the
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Labor Party, which has been a strong ally of a
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: supporter of Israel's over many decades, and of course Isaac
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Herdzo is a former Labor MP in Israel. You must
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: be astonished by the treatment that's been meted out to
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: him by your own former colleagues.
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: Well, and the Prime Minister invited President Herzog to Australia.
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: But yes, it's just tickening really when you think about
• 26:38
  Speaker 12: Herzog being a true labor man and a person who's
• 26:41
  Speaker 12: fought for gay rights and action on climate change, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: he's worked hard to build bridges of peace to surrounding
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: Arab neighbors. He's a person who actually served as a
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: minister trying to serve the interests and benefits of the
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: people of Gaza, and of course supports the two state solution.
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: And it's just a seing that on the one hand,
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: you're trying to deny this person his right of free
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: speech in this country as a visitor and as a
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: head of state at the same time as those hous
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: of protest for the Adelaide Writers' Festival, and people in
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: the activist movement who have been happy to support statements
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: like where's the Jews and hunting the Jews and that
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: illegal demonstration at the Opera House and no Zionists should
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: feel safe and on Judgment.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Day all the Jews will die.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: All that stuff's apparently okay But what really gets up
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: my NAIs is that a lot of the people who
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: should know better, who claim to be legal experts, claim
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: that the statements of Herzeg were classified as a violation
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: of the Geneva Convention. Although sorry, the Genocide Convention in
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: relation to incitement to genocide.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I'm really keen to get your view on that, because
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: this sort of stuff is highly damaging, it's highly inflammatory.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: But of course it's sped out there by UN organization.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: People can always say, are the UNS saying this? But
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: it is nonsense in fact, yeah, that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: I mean like the so called Independent Commission which was
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: part of the Human Rights Council at the UN, which
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: we all know has become just a farce as basically
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: a vehicle for autocracy propaganda and a whitewashing vehicle for
• 28:20
  Speaker 12: their regimes. And the three people that were on that
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: commission were all, you know, absolutely virulent anti Israel people,
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: and certainly people like Siddotti, Chrisiddotti and Ben Saul who
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: was at the Press Club. These people aren't experts in
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: the Genocide Convention. To be an expert, you don't just
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: read the convention. That's the tip of the iceberg. There's
• 28:43
  Speaker 12: all the jurisprudence that goes behind that. But in particular
• 28:47
  Speaker 12: you have to in international law, and that's what my
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: PhD is in is in international law, you are required
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: to study what they call the Trevoux preparatoire, the preparatory
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: work of those conventions, and there were two year is
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: worth the work that went into this thing. They realized
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: that they were going to have to spell a lot
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: of things out in that work because the statement was
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: quite simple in the convention, and it's over two thousand
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: pages in this preparatory work, in two volumes of it,
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: and you can't get it in digitized format. It costs
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: you two seven hundred dollars to buy the two books.
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: So barely anybody in the world's actually read this stuff.
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: But you can't claim to be an expert unless you have.
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: And in that they made very clear what they were about,
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: and it was in the shadow of World War two,
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: and so they were shaped by the examples of what
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: genocide looked like from that. And so the same applies
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: to the incitement provision, where they actually said that it'd
• 29:43
  Speaker 12: be necessary for the propaganda to be carried out systematically
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: and with an intent to drive the instigation of the
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: crime of genocide, and in practice the clause would only
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: apply to the most extreme cases, is what they've said,
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: and they were well aware that it could be missu used.
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: They actually said so, well, it's.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Been misused here because they're trying to target slur Herzog
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: with this by misinterpreting and taking out a context, a
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: small fragment of something. He once said, I want to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: show you something that the president said today because I
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: think it's very important.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: He was asked, I think this was the question from
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: our own Caroline Marcus.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: He was asked about the frustrations of the Australian Jewish
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: community and others. I should say, many of us who
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: are not Jewish in this country about the lack of
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: action by the Australian government, state and federal and authorities
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: in clamping down and stamping out anti Semitism in the
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: wake of October the seventh, and have a look at
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: what Isaac Hertzog had to say.
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: These frustrations were shared my many many of us, including myself,
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: where I alerted as I've seen this wave surge all
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: over the world, and I've seen it in many countries
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: including Canada, Great Britain, the United States and Australia English
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: speaking countries. And I've alerted way in advance as well
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: as many others, and that is why I understand this
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: frustation clearly, and I hope the steps that were recently
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: taken will being changed.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: He shares that frustration. Does the Israeli president. I want
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: to ask you, Mike Kelly, then, do you believe as
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: a labor man, and you've spoken out about this over
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: the past couple of years, the lack of action and
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: stamping out anti Semitism, did it help to create the
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: climate in which the atrocity of Bondi could occur?
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: Well, as you know, Chris, you know there's quite a
• 31:36
  Speaker 12: lot of a seal warning over that two year period
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: that each step of deterioration of enforcing the law or
• 31:43
  Speaker 12: dealing with what was going on in this country was
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: another step in encouraging and emboldening the activists and the
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: terrorists basically to escalate their actions. So it starts with
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: making these terrible chants and genocidal comments, and then moves
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: to the burning of synagogues and vandalism, and then you
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: go from there to killing people. It's just a well
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: worn track over history that this is how it works.
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: So it was incredibly inevitable and obvious that this is
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: where we were going to end up. So, you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: the actions that we need to take now have to
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: be thorough going, and they're the sort of actions that
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: will give us a healthier society in general, to defuse
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: the process of othering against any group, you know. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 12: so that's why to you know, Julian's point about what's
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: going on with these features for Palestine and the stuff
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: that they're producing, I could show you textbooks from Nazi
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: Germany that has exactly the same style of approach to
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: brainwashing kids. And it's not an accident. This is like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: there's about one hundred billion dollars Kataras poured into the
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: US to pervert their tertiary institutions, and testimony in front
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: of the US Congress revealed they're also going after years
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: cater twelve now worrying.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: It's deeply worrying. They don't know what they're doing. Mike Kelly,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us yet again and will
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: continue to pursue those issues.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Mike Kelly, their former labor minister who's bravely spoken out
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: on these issues as an expert in the field so
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: many times now after the break went across to the UK,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the Epstein files have claimed another scalp.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Who is it?
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I'll get Sophie Orsworth to explain it all to you.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: After this break well, time looks to be running out
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: for Keirs Staler, the UK Prime Minister. Overnight, his chief
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: of staff took the full for the appointment of Peter
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Mandelssohn as Ambassador to ambassad UK Ambassador to the US,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: despite his links to Jeffrey Epstein. Here's the latest from
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: sky News UK.
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: The Prime Minister's chief of staff has gone from lieutenant
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: to lightning Rod Morgan McSweeney forced to quit Number ten
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: over the Mandelssohn crisis as the Prime Minister offered up
• 33:59
  Speaker 13: his closest aid in an attempt to save himself. It
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: has been a swift and dramatic fall. For years, Morgan
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: McSweeney was by Starmer's side, the strategist that got him
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: elected Labor leader, the mastermind of the winning election campaign,
• 34:18
  Speaker 13: and the backbone of Starmer's Number ten.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Let's get a news call europe correspondent and Sky News
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: contributor to Sophie oswithz he's in London. Not only in London,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: she's right outside Number ten Downing Street. Thanks for being
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: there for us to so for you. This is serious, right.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: You can't get the chief of staff to take the
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: fall for an appointment that effectively is made by the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister and the cabinet. It seems to be a
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: desperate move to protect the Prime minister.
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: Well, great to be with you, Chris.
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: Look, this is a prime minister who is in absolute
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: crisis here in the UK and he's fighting for his leadership.
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: We know yesterday that he's chief of staff. Morgan McSweeney
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: resigned and now there is concerns whether or not Kiirs
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: Sarma will even see out the week. Chris, we are
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: unlikely to see him in public today. But the disappointment
• 35:10
  Speaker 14: of Lord Mandelsson as the ambassador to the US and
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: the information that's come to light of his very close
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: ties with Jeffrey Epstein has now had one scalp and
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: that is Morgan McSweeney. But people here are questioning in
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: the UK, why isn't the Prime Minister going over this scandal.
• 35:32
  Speaker 14: He's the one that put Lord Mandelsson in that job.
• 35:35
  Speaker 14: So there's a lot of concern over whether or not
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: seek here could even see out the week here, Chris.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the point with this, just to backtrack for people. Obviously,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: the appointment was made when Mandelssohn's relationship to Epstein was
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: known and Epstein's sort.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Of pass was known as well.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: We know more now, of course, but it's hard to
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: try and blame this on your chief of staff. Obviously
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: it's the prime minister in the cabinet that sign off
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: on the deal. What our next step is there? I
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: mean there's a looming alternative, is a consensus about who
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: would replace kir Istanbul? Or is there a sense that
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: he can tough this out?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 36:13
  Speaker 14: A lot of the reporting here in the UK, Chris,
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: is that his time he's up. It's just a matter
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: of when is it in the next few days, next
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: few weeks, next few months. But he's hanging on by
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: a thread here in the UK. He's deeply unpopular, Chris.
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: He's only been in office about eighteen months since he
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: won the election in twenty twenty four in a landslide victory,
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: but he's already had two chiefs of staff vacate his
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: office and now there's talk that the former Deputy Prime
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: Minister Angela Rayner or the Health Secretary Wars Streeting are
• 36:47
  Speaker 14: among the likely candidates that could replace him. So inside
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: Downing Street this morning, I'd be very predicting that it'd
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: be very frosty inside there, Chris. There'd be a lot
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: of nervous people and minister that knows that Britain is
• 37:02
  Speaker 14: deeply unhappy with him and largely blaming him for the
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: appointment of Lord Manilsson.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've just popped the light in there.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Either there someone's cooking breakfast or they're upcounting the numbers.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I reckon just very briefly, Sophie.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Is the UK, there's a lot of countries talking about
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Australia's social media band and suggesting they'll emulate them. Was
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the talk of that in the UK as well.
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: There absolutely is, Chris.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Look.
• 37:28
  Speaker 14: I spoke to a British mother here, Ellen Rum last
• 37:31
  Speaker 14: week who's fourteen year old son Jules died she in
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: twenty twenty two, and she thinks he was taking part
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: in an online social media challenge moments before his death,
• 37:42
  Speaker 14: and she's been fighting to access the information that he
• 37:46
  Speaker 14: was viewing or what he was viewing on his social
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: media in the moments that led to his death.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: But there is.
• 37:52
  Speaker 14: Strong talk here that the government will follow suit and
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: follow Australia in introducing a social media band. There's a
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: consultation out at the moment, a three month consultation to
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: sense whether or not they need a band. But Chris,
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: it looks very likely that they will follow Australia.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Great stuff, Sophie.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us as ever Sophiel's worth their News Corp.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: You're correspondent joining us from Number ten Downing Street. We'll
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: keep on this social media banding. My mail is most
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: kids are getting around it. The laws are very popular
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: and everyone wants to emulate them because it looks like
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: the government's doing something. Coming up after the break, the
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Israeli president comforts those Australians at bond And and he
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: demands more action against anti Semitism globally.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Alex Rifchin will join me.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Let's get back to these protests around the country against
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: the Israel President Israel Isaac Hertzog. Of course, let's go
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: back to Sydney CBD in Town Hall where Matt Taylor.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Is keeping an eye on things. What's the latest there, Matt.
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: Chris Well protest is not on the move. In fact,
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: they have been contained behind me into the park that
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: adjoins the Sydney Town Hall just here on George Street.
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: Are the proceedings been going on now for the last
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: fifteen or twenty minutes or so. Lots of channing, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: I'll still out and give you a sense of some
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: of the signs here. Of course, this protest organized by
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: the Palestine Action Group calling for the arrest and investigation
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  Speaker 8: of the Israeli President, who they claim has incided genocide
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  Speaker 8: in Gaza. So you can see a lot of signs
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  Speaker 8: and placards really in that vein.
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  Speaker 13: Now.
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  Speaker 8: The protest organizers were Delta Blow. Just a short time ago.
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  Speaker 8: They had been calling on the Supreme Court to overturn
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  Speaker 8: a major event declaration here in Sydney, which has given
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  Speaker 8: police some special powers. It's just going to show you
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  Speaker 8: the police lineup and police contingent here, but the Supreme.
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  Speaker 1: Court overruling that.
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  Speaker 8: Now, if the Supreme Court had sided with the protests,
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  Speaker 8: as there was every chance that they would be able
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  Speaker 8: to march, they've planned to march from here at Town
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  Speaker 8: Hall to the new South Wales Parliament. But the Supreme
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  Speaker 8: Court not backing in the protesters. The fear was from
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  Speaker 8: the police that the protesters would defy that and start
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  Speaker 8: to march, but so far all contained behind us for now.
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  Speaker 1: Chris, thanks so much, Matt.
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  Speaker 3: Matt Taylor down there at town Hall. Huge police numbers.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like the protest numbers are not huge, and
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  Speaker 3: it looks like they may not try and march away
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  Speaker 3: from that area, which would make it a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a fizzer, which would be a good.
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  Speaker 1: Thing in my view.
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  Speaker 3: Although as I said at the outset, they've kind of
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  Speaker 3: won the day anyway because I've kept a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people out of the city. They've dominated the news, they've
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  Speaker 3: stopped a lot of things happening in the city. They've
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  Speaker 3: caused massive inconvenience. Let's go to Alex Ritchin now, who's
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  Speaker 3: the co CEO of the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you again, Alex.
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  Speaker 3: When I see that police presence and making sure.
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  Speaker 1: The protest happens.
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  Speaker 3: They get their freedom of expression, but they can't march
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  Speaker 3: off wherever they want.
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  Speaker 6: You.
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  Speaker 3: I just think there's good to see. But it's been
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  Speaker 3: more than two years in the coming. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 3: what they needed to do. On October the ninth, twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty three, when those protesters did not have authority to
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  Speaker 3: go down to the Opera House fore court and chant
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  Speaker 3: the obsentities they did there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, finally it seems that the lessons of those times
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  Speaker 5: are being learned and applied. And for a long time
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  Speaker 5: we've heard from the Premiere, from his government and from
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  Speaker 5: the police they don't want these protests. They have seen
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  Speaker 5: firsthand what they become. They position themselves as being anti
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  Speaker 5: war proceeds fied, But you peel about that veneer and
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  Speaker 5: you see what they're really about. They're about war. They
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  Speaker 5: want to see war. They cheer on the hoodies, they
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  Speaker 5: cheer on the rating regime. They want to see destruction.
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  Speaker 5: They just want to see Israel losing wars and ultimately
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  Speaker 5: replaced by another majority Arab states. So the facade has
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  Speaker 5: been revealed for what it is, and finally it looks
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  Speaker 5: like the laws and the police powers are there to
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  Speaker 5: restrain these people. But you're quite right, Chaus. For too
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  Speaker 5: long the rights of the peaceful majority of the city
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  Speaker 5: have been subserving to the rights of the minority, the violent,
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  Speaker 5: aggressive minority, who have determined where we can go, what
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  Speaker 5: we can access and have had a profound impact on
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  Speaker 5: social cohesion, disharmony in simon dehumanization in our city.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is a very serious issue, but I want
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  Speaker 3: to go to a cartoon here is because I think
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  Speaker 3: it sums up the ambivalence of the federal government perfectly.
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  Speaker 3: Our mutual great friend Johannes Leek had this cartoon late
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  Speaker 3: last week. Protest as already says Isaac Herzog as he
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  Speaker 3: arrives and see all of his rabbel on the tarmac,
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  Speaker 3: and someone says, no, that's the government missed to president.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we've had interventions from all sorts of labor figures,
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  Speaker 3: but most recently of course Ed Husak, a former government frontbencher,
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  Speaker 3: saying it was wrong to invite the president. This is
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  Speaker 3: not good for the country to have such division over
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  Speaker 3: support for the liberal democratic nation of Israel.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, Chris, I'm Johannes's biggest fan and I love
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  Speaker 5: his work. I think in truth, the government they issued
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  Speaker 5: the invitation to President Hertzog. They stood up to pressure
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  Speaker 5: from some quarters of their own party and also of
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  Speaker 5: course the Greens and even further left activists calling for
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  Speaker 5: that invitation to be withdrawn. He's here, he will be
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  Speaker 5: welcomed by the government, So I think we need to
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  Speaker 5: give it a chance and see how things go. A
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  Speaker 5: bit like with the police finally clamping down on the protest,
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  Speaker 5: there was disappointment at the beginning, but I think we
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  Speaker 5: need to give them a chance to chart a new course.
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  Speaker 5: But ultimately, one of the purposes of this visit by
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  Speaker 5: President Herzog, as he has said, is to resettle, realign
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  Speaker 5: the relationship between two traditional allies who have been there
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  Speaker 5: for each other through thick and thin for nearly eighty years,
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  Speaker 5: to the mutual benefit of both sides, and particularly Australia
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  Speaker 5: in terms of security, intelligence and defense cooperation. So I
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  Speaker 5: think the true test will be when the President leaves
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  Speaker 5: and what happens to the relationship. Will we see the
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  Speaker 5: same sort of broad sides and attacks that members of
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  Speaker 5: the cabinet have leveled against Israel repeatedly, or will we
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  Speaker 5: see a resumption of true friendship between the two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said give it a chance.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see if that relationship can be repaired to any degree.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Alex richin there, joining
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  Speaker 3: us on the president's visit. A few days of this
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  Speaker 3: to go we'll keep you all across it after the break.
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  Speaker 3: Plenty of serious issues to chat about to Gemtone Uni
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  Speaker 3: and Caroline Russo, but we're also talking about the latest
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  Speaker 3: Australian sporting here super Bowl champion. Let's sort things out
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  Speaker 3: with Gemtone Uni on the desk. Y with me from
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  Speaker 3: GT Comic.
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  Speaker 1: It is great to.
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  Speaker 3: See you and Caroline Sky, news contributor and president of
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: the Western Party joining us from From Carol, you got
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  Speaker 3: the coalition back together again.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like she's done for right. You couldn't possibly comment.
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  Speaker 15: I couldn't possibly comment and I will leave that to
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  Speaker 15: the party room because as you know, I don't get
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  Speaker 15: a vote in there.
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  Speaker 11: Look, all I will say is we know.
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  Speaker 15: The one thing we are seeing from the polls is
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  Speaker 15: there a lot of frustrated Aliens who want politicians dealing
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  Speaker 15: with their issues. And that goes for the Libs, that
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  Speaker 15: goes for the Nats, but that also goes for the
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  Speaker 15: current government. So we are seeing a spray all over
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  Speaker 15: the place. I've used the word unedifying. I'm going to
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  Speaker 15: use the word unedifying again, Chris. But I think the
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  Speaker 15: most important thing that the Libs and the Coalition, now
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  Speaker 15: that they're all back in bed together.
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  Speaker 11: Can do is get on and deal with.
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  Speaker 15: Those issues, because that's absolutely what the Australian people want.
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  Speaker 3: If there's any year six students watching and wondering what
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  Speaker 3: the word unedifying means, it means bloody shambles and it
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  Speaker 3: has been bloody shampo. Look, I want to get your
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  Speaker 3: thoughts on this, Jim, because I like it a lot
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  Speaker 3: and we know there's lots has to change. Changing the
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  Speaker 3: leader on its own is not going to fix it,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm certain it's going to happen given what's having
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  Speaker 3: in the pipeline.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things put.
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  Speaker 3: To me by people, probably mainly more on the moderate
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  Speaker 3: side of the party, although the Conservatives haven't ruled it out,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: is that Jane Hume could be deputy from the Senate.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Now this has happened before, apparently Fred Cheney, Leader Australian
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  Speaker 3: West Australian Senator that why you have a woman as
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  Speaker 3: definitely leader, you have a moderate.
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  Speaker 16: She's great, objectively hard working, very intelligent, very articulate. Look,
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  Speaker 16: I rage wrote on the weekend in my column, and
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  Speaker 16: I said to a few people this morning I'm at
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  Speaker 16: the I'm at the rage stage of my pending breakup
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  Speaker 16: with the Liberal Party. I might be one of thirty
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  Speaker 16: women left in Australia who still want to vote for them.
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  Speaker 7: But you're quite right.
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  Speaker 16: It's not just the leader, although she's objectively hopeless and way.
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  Speaker 16: I say too to the people today who's saying, oh,
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  Speaker 16: don't be mean to Susan. It's a really hard job
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  Speaker 16: and she hasn't had much time. Go jump on your head.
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  Speaker 16: You know, it's a hard job.
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  Speaker 7: Running a business in a tight economy.
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  Speaker 16: You know, it's a hard job being a teacher when
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  Speaker 16: you're underfunded, being a doctor in a hospital when your
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  Speaker 16: hospital beds around.
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  Speaker 7: Don't give me this. Being opposition leader is a hard job. Sure,
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  Speaker 7: it's a hard job. If you can't do it, get
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  Speaker 7: out of the kitchen. I'm sick of the wing. Gin
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  Speaker 7: give me, I'll tell you see. And then Susan Lee
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  Speaker 7: it comes on.
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  Speaker 16: TV today and goes, oh, you know, everybody just needs
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  Speaker 16: to hug No, we'd like to know what this party
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  Speaker 16: stands for.
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  Speaker 7: Is there a policy my kingdom? Chris for a policy?
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's probably the hardest job. I was
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  Speaker 3: once chief of staff to a federal opposition leader and it.
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  Speaker 13: Was help hard.
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  Speaker 1: But life is hard, and he said.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want it, but Caro, I had a fascinating
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  Speaker 3: There was a great event in Sydney last week with
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  Speaker 3: Alexander Downer and John Howard, and Alexander recalled when he
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: was Federal opposition leader.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I.
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  Speaker 3: Hated the job and I was terrible at it, and
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't like to give it to someone who can
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  Speaker 3: do it better. It's not a bad way to look
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  Speaker 3: at it.
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  Speaker 11: It's not a bad way to look at it.
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  Speaker 15: And when you look back at that time, it was
• 47:45
  Speaker 15: it was pretty it was. It was pretty shocking. And
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  Speaker 15: actually someone sent me some footage a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 15: some old footage from the bust up between I think
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: it was their Malcolm Fraser and John Gorton and what
• 47:59
  Speaker 15: they were saying about each other and the carry on
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  Speaker 15: at the time, and it was pretty woeful, and frankly,
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  Speaker 15: it was probably worse than what's happening at the moment.
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  Speaker 15: But the fact of the matter is is at some
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  Speaker 15: point everyone puts their big girl nickers on, sorts out
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  Speaker 15: what they need to do and yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: And then they get on and do it. And this
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  Speaker 11: is the point the work needs to be done.
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  Speaker 15: The substantive work needs to be done and we've had
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  Speaker 15: our tantrum and it all needs to just get on
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  Speaker 15: with it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what we need in the Liverpool party Maybe he's
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: a punter, someone to punt the leader out. I want
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: to go to the good story of the day, Ossie's
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  Speaker 3: sporting success. That happens everywhere, even in the winter sports,
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  Speaker 3: as we see in the Winter Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: But what about the Super Bowl today?
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  Speaker 3: The latest punter to excel from Australia, former Ossie rules
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  Speaker 3: football player Michael Dixon, to be making more money than
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: most AFL clubs combined. Now he had a great game.
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  Speaker 3: His team, the Seattle Seahawks won the Super Bowl. Here
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  Speaker 3: I was six punts for an average of almost fifty meters.
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  Speaker 3: Have a listened to him after the game?
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  Speaker 1: Love Australia. Can't wait to get home. I get some
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  Speaker 1: chips with some chicken soat Craven and a parmy.
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  Speaker 5: That'd be nice.
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  Speaker 16: You gotta love that cultural ambassador. I love that good
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  Speaker 16: on him. I don't pretend to understand that sport at all.
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  Speaker 16: It takes a very long time to pay play four
• 49:25
  Speaker 16: fifteen minute quarters.
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  Speaker 7: It's very confusing. But love and Assie on the world stage.
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  Speaker 1: Love.
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  Speaker 16: I don't love a Pami because the body's a temple,
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  Speaker 16: but good on him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fantastic success story, Kara.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah it is.
• 49:38
  Speaker 15: And I love just the way he's so laconic about
• 49:41
  Speaker 15: it and so just loving of the simple things in.
• 49:44
  Speaker 11: Life after having been.
• 49:46
  Speaker 15: In one of the most watched exact sporting events.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I know, I agree with Gemma. I don't
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  Speaker 11: understand the sport.
• 49:53
  Speaker 15: I just remember some stray boobs at some point at
• 49:55
  Speaker 15: a super Bowl.
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: Like for me, it's like water of us.
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  Speaker 1: You are okay.
• 49:58
  Speaker 15: I appreciate that he appreciates the finest thing nickers and boobs.
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  Speaker 3: It's five o'clock, Carrow, Carol, and say temtan Yuni, we're
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  Speaker 3: right over time.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Credlin
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  Speaker 3: MHM.