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Episode Six: I Quite...And Here's Why! · Rumor Busters

• Rumor Busters Podcast: Have you ever had a day at work where you seriously considered standing up and grabbing your stuff and never coming by yet? I'm going through glasses today. I think anyone who has ever had a job has thought that. Well, apparently some people actually do it. And some of them manage to take an entire department down with them. Okay, that's kind of impressive. Today we're talking about people who quit their jobs in some of the most dramatic, petty, and absolutely unbelievable ways. Welcome back to Rumorbusters. Yay! So good. It was so lovely episode. Yay! Well, how did spooky episode number five go? The same. I mean, I think we got more interaction. Like people wanted to know where what hotel we were talking about and what else? they corrected us. It was actually room two two that was the that's Stephanie yeah and then room two five was the creepy one. Yeah. Thanks for listening and telling us the truth. We appreciate it. Thank you. Well I think I can safely say that we've both almost quit right on the spot. All of our jobs are weekly. And you know, Joe always says I quit my job twenty times. I'm like, okay, I feel a lot better. You will never write prescriptions again. It made me cry. I was like, okay. And then I left and cried. So scary. That was so scary. I was like, I'm only 18. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying to do my best. And I'm doing my best to try and not fuck everything up. And guess what? I fuck something up when I'm thinking about trying to do everything that I need to do. And then I forget about something that's important. But it's like you're trying so hard that you just forget something. And that happened to me a lot. And I actually learned from someone who was very, very, very, very strict about things. Her name was Heidi at Squim Health. And she taught me that she wants something done precise the right way the first time. She taught me about organization, punctuality. Everything that you can think of, she was so perfect in so many different ways, very, very strict, but she knew what she wanted and she will tell you what she wants and how she wants it done. She specifically would leave binder clips that she wanted, the binder clips that she requested you use on her box. And you had to use those ones to clip papers together. I think that's called OCD. It is OCD. And guess what? That's where I learned it from. And that's horrible. But it is so worth it because you're like, you're always going to be organized. You're always going to know what you need to do, what you have left to do, what what you forgot about. You'll always remember. But that's how I learned after the fact that I got yelled at at my job previously, she is the reason I learned some of the ways of how I am today. So she never ever yelled at me though, but my previous job did. Before Squim Health. And that was just really, really, really scary. Scary. Have you? I think maybe in hindsight something was mean, but I don't think an manager was ever directly mean to me. When I worked at my last job. The one before that. we I was going through a bad mental health time and I was very honest and opened about it. And then my boss decided that she was gonna disguise telling me if I don't start coming in perfectly on time every morning, they were gonna have to cut my hours and hire somebody else. And she disguised it as a annual review, and she was gonna do it with all the employees. But she only kept me after work and never kept anyone else after work. my gosh. If you have something to say, just say it. You know? I was like, you know what? And For dates at a time. Sometimes you can't be on time. At least you're coming to work. Yeah, literally. Regardless if it's late or not. I was the I'm the type of person where in that specific job, everything that needed to be ready the next morning, I would get it done before I left. So it's not like they had to come in and do my job. It was already ready to go. The only thing they would have had to do is check in one patient, and then I was always there before they checked out. So Mm-mm. Good life lessons. What? Did he bark at you? Yeah, he went. You just want some attention on stock and then you'll talk to you, giving don't worry, give. Have you ever witnessed if a worker Yeah. He's like Pit me, pit me, pit me, pit me. You have Kevin. Yeah. This I don't even remember when it was. It was like There was something said and then they were just like then they just left. But I'm like Okay Come here, Kabby. That was it. I I know there was other times too, Amy who worked at the reception desk. She was kind of wacky. She was she was dripping sweat one day and she's like, Can you come up here? I just I really need to take a break for a minute. She had this protein shake with coffee and protein powder and like dark chocolates that she like dripped into her coffee and melted it and She like got super, super energy from this. And where'd the frame go? Did you move it? Okay. That's what he was barking at. And she got so freaked out. She was like on the phone with someone. She had to put him on hold. It's like, can you please come down here? So I went down there and I took over and she ran out the door to go down the road by like the city city center. She had to take a break. And I went and I realized that somebody was on hold still. She just left them on hold and had to leave because she was like having a straight up panic attack. And I I got on the computer and I put my hand on her mouse and it was soaking wet from her sweat. I'm like, damn, girl. I don't know. She needs to lay off the protein powder and the freaking coffee in the morning and the dark chocolates. Would you like a dark chocolate? Would you like a dark chocolate? We're like, no, none of us dark chocolates in the office. We like milk chocolate. She was wild. So yeah, she stormed out because she did then there was just something, then she Yeah, was like, can I see my friends? Say goodbye to them. I'm like, No, and that's probably not a good idea. But they're my friends. I'm like, Yeah, that's that's yeah, Mark. Take over. I think I've I've watched a couple of people be walked out of work. I never I don't think I've ever watched anyone actually swim off for real. We had to let someone go one time and it's not that we let them go. They actually quit and then they're like they came in the next day and they're like, I'm gonna F that guy up if I ever see him and it was like he was talking about Mark. And we're like, Yeah, it's probably not a good thing to say. Kevin, come here. Where are you gonna go? Come here, Kevin. Get over here, baby. and we're like, yeah, like and then Joe's finally like, Yeah, man, you I mean you quit. We don't have anything else for you. There's nothing in this department, nothing in that department. I mean, you quit your job. So you said you didn't want to go back to that. So that's on you. You quit. And he's like, he's like really mad, and then he just left. Was he having a schizophrenic break? I don't know. Kevin, do you gotta go poopy? Kevin, do you gotta go poo-poo? I'll message Tanner to go get him quick and my gosh. Hi baby. And since you guys are still keeping your words from your workplace were locked up either before not. story. We'll cut that off. It's really, really loud. We've had to go back to Reddit to find more drinks. God damn it. Seriously guys, the submission form is anonymous. We're begging you, please. Yes, get to it. Snack, snack. You can hear me there. I don't know. I'm not making out with you. She wants your lips. Starting to turn into sexual harassment, Hank. Give me your lips and mouth. so these stories, these are stories people shared online. We haven't verified every detail, of course, because we don't know these people. But we're gonna be discussing the decisions people made. And decide whether their resignations were justified or complete design. Okay, so our first story comes from a team lead at a large internet service provider and apparently they have one color who was a little dramatic. context, gender gets angry about work order distributions and repute he storms out. Which already makes me wonder how this man has managed a man. Story. This is called so you quit posted on our Slash malicious compliance four years ago by bubblehead maker. This happened to me a few years back. I was a team lead for some folks at a big IASP. Basically, we took orders that was that sales made and provisioned circuits to facilitate the customer needs. We had a guy well we will call Jinger. He was overly dramatic and very hot headed. When we got orders, they were assigned round robin style. Usually they were specific customers that only me or another senior guy handled. This meant sometimes I'd be skipped because my customer orders came directly to me. Ginger was after me in an assignment order and he would get mad if he got two in a row. Each order took two or three minutes to process, so getting an extra one was no big deal. Ginger was in a special mood one day and I got 15 orders from my assigned customers. This meant Ginger kept getting orders and the reception or the perception was I didn't get any. So he gets order number three and says, That's it, I'm out of here. And leaves. The manager was less than thrilled, but was out on vacation the next day and said, Let me know if he comes back tomorrow. if someone regularly storms out of work because they're annoyed, how many times do you let that happen before you say enough is enough? I say five. Five times. I think you're nicer than Yeah. Well, only 'cause I've done it a couple of times. Different. Sometimes well, yeah, it's a little different. One, because I'm not like storming out like irritated that something happened. I'm storming out because like I'm going to have a meltdown or something is like gonna be said and I don't want to say it. And I'm not gonna mean what I say if I'm around someone when I'm that angry. So I just leave. And try and compose myself and then maybe come back, maybe not. Yeah. Too far. But I'd say okay, three, four times, maybe. But have you ever worked with someone who threatened to quit every time they didn't get their way? I have. I have. And it's stupid because it's like, you're quitting tomorrow. wait. Never mind. You're not quitting now. you're gonna quit. never mind, you're not gonna quit. wait, wait, wait. But didn't you say you were gonna quit? Wasn't tomorrow your last day? Now you're gonna stay? this is just so weird. It's like how many times are you gonna do that before enough's enough? We found it That's really embarrassing. I just don't understand how people even do that. Plus, it shows that you're not a very honest person because you're always saying you're gonna do something and then you don't. The next day, Ginger is back and in a worse mood. I walk over him and to him and tell him the boss is out and I'm fine, I'm filling in. I've got a bunch of new orders, so he's getting everything new that comes in. He tells me if he gets too many, he will quit. I say Acknowledged. It happens. Five orders or so later. That's it. I quit. And he storms out. I called the boss and told him. He says he's on vac he says I'm on vacation. Take care of it. Yes, boss. I contacted HR and told them he quit without notice and walked out. In a few minutes his badge, access, email, etc. were all turned off. Well, I mean that's what you get. The ad police special words. Escort him out and say, All right, bye bye. the next day he's arguing with security about his badge not working. I walk up. Hey Ginger, I didn't expect to see you here. My effing badge doesn't work. Yep, that happens when you quit and walk out. You aren't an employee here anymore. Nod to the security guard guard as I badge it and get on the elevator. I always wonder what happened to Ginger. Sorry King. That is just crazy. I just why is he even working that job if he doesn't like it? Why no it's like get out of here. But just to Should the team lead have clarified whether Ginger was actually resigning knowing his history? yeah. Yeah. I mean he did though say the words I quit. Yeah. I would have taken that seriously, especially if they deactivated his shit. Mm-hmm. I mean, if you deactivated it, bye-bye, you're gone. Yeah, it almost sounds like HR never took it, was never told about it or took it seriously because that was the first time it sounds like his badge got shut off. Well was this justified or opp opportunistic? I think it was a good opportunity to just like yeah, it was a good time. Should an angry resignation count? Yeah. Yep. Especially if you've done it multiple times. Yeah, that's like your tenth time doing it. Bye. That's enough. And then I'd put I'd probably put a clause in the employee handbook. You say you're quitting and you leave. That's you're done. A job abandonment. I mean you quit. Was Ginger expecting to be chased? Maybe that is what he wants. Maybe he's just always wanted somebody to follow in. Would you have done it differently? honestly I don't know if does that mean as the team lead or as ginger? As the team lead. Well, no, because I think I would have been sick of it by then and I would have thought about the other employees who kept, having to pick up his slack every time he left. So what about that? pretty petty but iconic, that's for sure. Don't threaten to quit unless you're prepared for somebody else to say okay. Speaking of bosses who should think before they speak. our next story involves a manager who practically handed an employee their resignation letter. Story two You want me to quit? Sure. Posted on our malicious compliance four years ago by Hoppolis. This happened a few months ago. My boss at the time was upset for me with me for calling out their illegal practices to them. Me and my coworkers were all younger people, mainly girls. So my boss thought that he would be able to easily manipulate us. When he told me to come to the front of the store to have a talk with him, he started yelling at me, telling me that this is a right to work state. So if you don't like it here, you can work somewhere else. I didn't want to do anything drastic, so I finished our conversation, quote unquote, and left. That night my coworker texted me and told me that my boss had called her and essentially just talked bad about me to her. I texted my boss right then saying I've given some thought to our earlier conversation and I've decided to take your advice. I would like to tender my resignation effective immediately. That triggered a long queue of my other coworkers leaving as well. As far as I know, eight others have left as well, and I don't think that's the end it that it that it's ending at eight. A lot of the people in the comments were mentioning that I should report the illegal practices. Does anyone know who to report those to? It was things like not giving and in fact discouraging breaks. Not providing pay stubs and taking money from our paychecks unannounced. I'm not sure the legality of it all, but if anyone knows who I could report it to, I would love to do it. Thank you for everyone who with the help and the advice. I'll be reporting the place. Jeez. Jeez, Louise. Would you resign immediately? I would immediately start looking for another job. nine people, at what point does the owner realize he might be the problem? Literally. Can one resignation encourage others to leave? Yeah. Author later said business was still expanding, not that it shut down. That's like this was in the United States or a different country. I don't know. I mean, but not allowing people to take breaks? Like that's not allowed. I'm sorry, but You have to take breaks. You're required to take breaks. Yeah, you know, required to give breaks. advocate again is quitting immediately without another job wind up always a good idea. I feel like in this situation might as well. I quit immediately from a place because they cut my hours. One of the ladies who was working there who was like the manager, like the appointed manager, was changing people's hours so that she could get more hours and like cutting others. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it pissed me off because I could see the schedule. I could see who got my hours given to them. And then I was cut and I'm like, dude, I'm working three jobs. I can't do this. So then finally I reached out to another job. I'm like, can you hire me full time? Like I could be full time here. I need the I need the hours. I need the work. I need to work. I need the money to pay rent. and my car payment. So and I just got cut hours and working this job over here, this job here on the weekend and then that job, it just wasn't sustainable. It's like have two full-time jobs and rather than three all part-time jobs. Like, and then eventually it just became one full-time job. So it's kind of nice over time. but sometimes it is just you just gotta leave. Like you can't just, you can't, especially if it's a hostile work environment and it's not fun to work in and you're constantly nervous about going to it every day. You're crying on your way to work because you don't want to go, because you're just thinking about what's gonna go wrong that day and thinking about all the bad that happened the day before and just keeping it all bottled up and keeping it in, never being able to speak up or let your boss know how you're feeling or your challenges or mistakes that you made, how you can own up to them. It was more just like them criticizing you without helping you get better without telling you how, hey, I would do it this way. Maybe focus on this first and then you won't forget it. You know what I mean? Right. Like, like how I instruct like when we do job cards or whatever. And I'm like, well, if you're always forgetting the permit or you're always forgetting to send Bob, why don't you do those two things first? And then maybe you'll that maybe that will make you never forget it. Right. You know what I mean? So it's just a way of like guiding in a different direction. Like re- rethinking the process and changing it, making it easy. It may be easy for me, but it might not be easy to remember for you. Exactly. So just giving other ideas, other options to people before just criticizing them and then not helping them with a solution, that's never going to work. you will never you will never have a good employee if you just do it that way and you never tell them how to do it the right way or how to do it the way that you want it to be done. It's just, it's, it's crazy. terrible. would you report questionable practices after leaving a job? Yeah. Yeah, I definitely would. I'd leave I'd go on what's that what's that website, Glassdoor or whatever, where you can leave reviews for your plat your past employment. What? Yeah. I didn't know you could do that. I think that's what it's called. my God. We'll have to verify that, but I think that's really nice, especially for like bigger companies. you should be able to read what employees are saying. Yeah. smaller compot. It doesn't really it's nice, but it's not really that big of a deal. But bigger companies like Walmart or, Ross or something where there's tons of people in corporations, it's good to be able to say say hey, this, company doesn't treat your employees very well and And it's so different when you know that there's someone from corporate that's there. this is just a funny example. I went to McDonald's one time and McDonald's isn't always the best. They sometimes have crazy times where they have everybody call out, He wants your mouth every time I give me your tongue. He loves women. and then this one day, this lady was there and I had never seen her before in my life. And she had a different shirt on. And she handed me this stuff and she was like, Your stuff will be out in just a moment. And she closed the window and she was standing there and she was talking to the people, like cueing them. And then she handed me my stuff. She's like, Here's your items. Have a great night. And I just knew she was from a different area or region, like because Nobody ever is like that there. You know? So she had to have been a manager and she might have been like taking over for somebody because they called out or something and they had to call corporate and say, Hey, your district needs to have s someone from this district go help this one or whatever. I don't know how it works, but that was my assumption. I always thought that would be so cool to be a a store like a store owner or a like head manager at one of those restaurants, those fast food places, 'cause some of them make Lots of money. if you make your way up the lecture and McDonald's, you make a lot of money. Really? Yes. I didn't know that. Yeah. Even though that's like 18 bucks an hour. It's like geez. But let's be honest. I understand everyone likes to say, minimum wage is for teenagers and starter jobs and stuff, but who's doing those jobs in the middle of the day while kids are at school? Yeah. Working single mothers, you know, old people that have to get another job. So you it's justifiable. I think they can pay your wage. Yeah. It is sad when, you know, smaller businesses that can't necessarily afford that have to pay those same wages. I think there should be a corporate minimum wage and then a small business minimum wage. Yeah. I think that'd be good. Yeah. Billion billion, billion dollar companies should be paying their employees really good. Yeah. New businesses with just a couple of people should no minimum. You're just paying to have people help you out basically. Now imagine you're trying to leave professionally, but your boss decides you need to write an entire instruction manual before you're allowed to go. Fuck that. Sorry, you guys can fucking figure that out yourself. And guess what? Ellie is such a great person. Ellie made process and procedure manuals for every single item that Ellie does and Becca does, not marketing, but every single item that we do, I have a process and a procedure for it step by step. So if I ever got ran over by a bus, you could do it. You, the viewer, you could do my job. You know what, Ellie? Huh? That was a really good transition and Story. Okay. this employee is relocating to another state and has already submitted their resignation. New boss demands a detailed job manual in two days while regular work continues. Two days? Do you know how many days it took me to do all of my manuals? It took me two weeks, and that was with AI's assistance. God doc should that documentation already exist? What invisible tasks do managers often overlook? What invisible tasks? I think just a lot of the how to talk to people. Yeah. Just the little stuff. How to wear a different hat for every single different person. Literally. All right. Story number three. New boss is upset. I'm resigning and relocating to big new state. She is requesting I write a manual on every step I take to do my job in two days. How do I professionally tell her no? Posted on R slash anti-work three years ago by Ilbridge 3129. I've been in this new company for four months. I need I needed the job in a pinch, but the company is stuck in the dark ages and severely underpays everyone. The workload is heavy and they earned Over two billion in profits last year. Shocker. Still and still refuses to address the issues. I recently graduated and applied to grad school out of state. While waiting for admissions, I got an amazing job offer I couldn't pass on. I accepted immediately. I submitted a formal resignation letting my boss know this is final. She has since then requested a meeting every day to change my mind or give her more information about where I'm going. The new pay rate and how to do my job. She cannot lose me, but cannot match or beat the new offer. Ultimately, her last team walked out on her, and I know of three people headed out after me. We are down to the last 11 days on site and I refused to give her any information on my new location or anything relating to my job. She now insists I give her a manual of how to create our internal booklets that cover all things HR from benefits, upcoming events, mental health, employee recognition, etc. I cannot begin to explain how I create this, edit it, or the technical aspects required in just two days, per given deadline. I use four editing softwares to achieve this as well as create an online version of English in English and Spanish. That's a lot of work. After requesting a more flexible and realistic deadline, offering a remote contract to stay part-time until a replacement can qualify into the position or offering a freelancing position rate position, how do I explain professionally professionally that I cannot write a manual about how to use an application on a technical level? I went to school to learn how to create an interact how to create interactive programs and demos. She is not accounting that this is not an easy learned skill. I am out of time as I wrap up a beta testing program I built for our huge company. The testing alone will need the remaining week to hand it off to IT to implement and go live. If she can't compromise, I don't know what else to do. what else I can do? Is there anything I can say that will get through to her? Edit. This is a newly created position. I started from scratch and there is no training guide to rely on if they want to use what I have set in place. Wow. The let's Yeah, should that documentation already exist? I believe so. Yeah. But guess what? A lot of places they don't actually have any documentation about how to do anything. It's usually just one person that knows how to do the stuff and that then passes it to the next person and then every person that they pass it to, they do a little bit less and they take away a little bit less and then it's never the full everything. Like for example, when I first started, I wasn't told that I needed to schedule mechanical inspections. Ever. Never. You never schedule them. Like it was never a thing where you had to make sure, verify the electrical was done, make sure the elect mechanical gets scheduled, or at least reach out to them. It was never that way. And then you would you wouldn't even send them an email with all their warranty stuff, their rebate, their Invoice you wouldn't send them that email with all the documents. someone just purchased a massive system with that costs a lot of money, and you're not gonna send them any documentation unless they call you and ask you that they need help with the system or they need a walkthrough or whatever. Like that's crazy to think about. And then you know, it stems from this person did it, trained this person, and then this person forgot a few things because it wasn't written out how to do every little item that they did. And then that person trained this person. So now you're on your third person. And now you've just lost two other items that you should have known from the first person that it should have just been written out from. And then you get to someone like me who I'm like, I need to make sure that we know how to do all these things so that it's easier to train somebody to do it if we ever needed to train another person. It was already all there. And guess what? You can update it as you go. You can change it if you need to change it, if there's a different way of doing it now than it there was two years ago. You can update it. So everything that I do now has a procedure for it, a step by step documented process. It's very nice because when she goes on vacation and I have to handle all of the little mundane things that she does every single day that I'm usually like what? I can figure it out without having to call her and Right there with the she'll even put the links in there and everything. It's amazing. Yeah. There's some people though, that just they want the control. They don't want anyone else to know how to do their job or how they're doing it, or the corners they cut to do it, or you know the little things. But it's like that's why you just make us a policy and procedure, like Ellie just said, and then when you're doing the job, you can still Do those little things to cut corners or whatever as long as it's appropriate. but you know if there's more efficient ways of doing it, h hell, do it. I mean if there is the exact same way of doing it and you can do it ten times less steps than what I do, do it. Right. Because I want the less. The less the better. Right. I mean the easier the better. updates. Thank you to those who made me laugh it off for genuinely, genuine hilarious takes. I see I'm not the only one out here dealing with a bad boss. Once I walked in, I decided to type up a contract to present to her. I was already to do so when I had, when I got handed a stack of projects and was told to pitch in. I'd be like, you pitch in bitch. I politely refused and went back to wrapping everything up. I was then out of the office dealing with IT issues for our program beta testing when I looked up and saw my boss staring at me through the office glass. Ew. Creepy. to the hallway. She was pissed and asked to talk to me. I rescheduled with IT and left for her office. She said she went through my drive and found my work and needed me to walk her through it now because she can't see why it's so hard for me to just write it. So I did just that. I used every technical term I could think of. Nearly five minutes off, five minutes in, I stopped and said, now, how would you like me to document what I just said? She looked ready to cry and I could go back to my desk. I thought it was victory. However, on her way out, she told me to get with my backup and to reapply for my position when I come back to town. She'll hold the job for me. No. I reached out to the person to give them a heads up. As of today, at 1807, this person informed me they will be out for two months at minimum and left this week on leave. I thanked them and asked if our boss is aware. My boss approved the leave. and has now scheduled me to train a person who is not physically in the building to work. Make sure you forgot. So now, I will not be following up on any of this and will be cutting back until my time is up. Fingers crossed we make it to the finish line. If someone's leaving a highly technical role, isn't some knowledge transfer reasonable? Of course, but not that way. Geez Louise, why didn't she ask her to put a procedure together when she first started? like... I'm sorry, if... If someone gives you something when someone is on vacation that that normal someone who's on vacation does, and it's not your normal duty, it's like an extra thing that's like something that is a project or something that the person that you're giving it to doesn't even know or has never done before, you don't give that to that person. You don't say, since she's on vacation, I'm sending it to you. You don't do that. If they don't know how to do it and they've never done it before, you just don't do that. You make a process and procedure of how you want someone to do that piece of job while the other person's gone or whomever, whatever it is. If it's something small or if it's something like, I need you to highlight this or whatever it might be, you make a procedure for it. You don't just say, hey, you need to go and do this right now while your boss is gone because that's not cool. That is one undermining the boss, that person's boss, and also giving someone Tasks more to do when their boss is gone or their co-workers gone already So they're already left with a bunch of stuff to do and now you're giving them more stuff to do So it's not only making their life harder. It's also going behind the their boss or whoever's back Who gave them instructions on what to do when they were gone? So they already knew what instructions they were gonna have and this is just something new I don't like that some of you bearing bearing their notice, if you've got two weeks left in work, extra can you do? I stayed after I was done at my last job. I went back every evening after five o'clock after work to go and train the other gal who was going to be taking over my position and how I did everything and how I wanted to see how everything, was done. It was so difficult though, because it was only for two hours afterwards. It was just all seven o'clock at night. And you're only getting a little piece done every day. You're not like, I did that for two months after I quit to help because I wanted them to know how to do it. I wanted them to know how to do it the right way. And I wanted them to stick to my process and procedure because it was the easiest way of remembering to do something. And it was the most simplistic way. but also some people are very hard to train and some people are very slow at learning. So when you're only there for two hours every day, like that it's going to take years. And I mean, especially with this person, they're literally relocated. So they don't have, they don't have that chance to do what you did. You know, they can't come back for two hours every day at the end of their day. They're going to be in grad school. They're starting a whole new job. place. Yeah, I think what probably would have been good is if she was proactive, if she knew she was going to grad school, she should have been getting everything prepared for before she left. also that should have been something her manager was making sure was being done and giving her time during the day to do something like that because not everyone's gonna stay at a job forever. No, you obviously hope that they're gonna stay there and you're not gonna have a bunch of turnaround but Sometimes that's just not how it is. So I think, as the head or the boss or the manager, or even just the HR person, you should be on top of everyone, making sure that they have time and the resources to be able to put together those policies and procedures. If you did put in your resignation, do you think that you're allowed to refuse new projects? think it depends on how time consuming it's gonna be. You're already in the middle of something. Yeah, if you're trying to figure out everything before you're leaving, you're trying to do all of your work, trying to teach someone how to do it or whatever, and then you get handed something new, you're like, why are you working on a new project when you're not gonna be here to finish it? Exactly. I why start something if you can't finish it? Should managers know the job? Yeah. 100%. Sorry, but you need to know how to do your job. If your employee doesn't know how to do their job, you need to be the one to be able to train them. You shouldn't rely on the coworkers to train them. Cause what if one day everyone walked out? Literally. What do you do? Literally. whole world would implode. If you don't know how to do everybody's like. if you're the main manager at GM or whatever it is, I don't expect the owners to know everything, but if you're the GM, you need to know how and how things work and what processes people use and how they do stuff. Like you should probably know how to submit a utility rebate. Just saying, because guess what? If something happened to me and Becca like. Let's say COVID hit again and we were all on quarantine and we all had to be locked down. We couldn't come to work. Who's gonna send those rebates? No, they're not gonna be sent. They're just gonna sit until we come back. That's what happened the last time for four weeks. yeah, you have to turn them in by a certain period after a certain amount of time after install, you have to turn them in. So it's like, seriously think everybody needs to know how to do everyone's job. Yeah. Yeah. I was glad when I left sclem health and rehab, my whole, was a life enrichment. I started there on weekends and then I moved to full time and then I eventually became the director. of life enrichment, but I knew because I was in college at the time for administrative whatever management. I stopped doing activities because it was literally getting to be like seven days a week. It was so busy during COVID and everything. And then I went to medical records and then after that I went to employee retention because Stacey left, which was super easy and by the time I left, I didn't even have to worry about teaching anyone that job because we were bought by a new company and didn't have that position anymore. So it was kind of good I left when I did. know, it's one of those things where if you slowly know, like I knew eventually I wasn't going to be being the director of life enrichment. So I was slowly getting everything together. every, know, so whoever was going to take my position knew what to do, which Everything was really already put together because my boss before that was very good at her job. everything was pretty much put together. But of course, things change and technology changes and, policies and procedures change. So there was a lot of things different, but it was definitely definitely something that I think some of us probably worry about. then some people probably don't even they don't it doesn't even face some people. They don't even care about it, truthfully. that's why I want to know how to do certain things. And then it's like, can you show me how to do that? It's like, what if you weren't like, how would we know? How would we ever be able to figure it? mean, I'm sure we'll be able to figure it out at some point, but like, we don't know how you come up with the pricing or we don't know how you do this or we don't know how you job costs and blah, blah, blah. So we just want everyone to know everything. So then everybody's more valuable and everybody can help, not just one person. So then it's not putting just the pressure onto one person every time we need to have something done a certain way. It's just weird how some people are so possessive of their jobs and controlling of who does what and when and where and why and how. It's just kind of silly. Wouldn't you want to delegate and let other people do things so you don't have to be so stressed out about it all the time? Well then it's also probably because they're like, well then what would I do? It's like, can better your team, can better yourself, can better your training, learn something new. Make something better. I mean, I don't know. do you could there's so many different things that you could do that expand Ellie even has a freaking forklift operator if she even has her freaking I need to follow in her footsteps a little better she got her bartending lessons one day at work mass certification I have my food handlers card if you need me to cook if you need to serve your alcohol if you miss serve you weed Right hey that whatever Hey, I'm fine with that. love making drinks so much fun No, what I think I actually want to do is I want to just have an open bar and everyone can just mix their own. Yeah, that would be a lot of fun. That would be totally fun. Some people because some people get a little a little juice happy when they're so cold around. We don't need people drinking full cups of whiskey or vodka or tequila. Yeah, no, thanks. Also, if your entire department depends on just one person, Don't wait until they resign to figure out what they do. Yeah, you should know what your employers are doing all day. You don't know what he does all day? How, why are they here? You don't know what he does? Maybe find out, maybe go sit with them. Yeah, what if he's just sitting there doing nothing? I mean, then you're paying somebody to do absolutely nothing. That's crazy. You know what? That would piss me off if I knew that someone was sitting over there, wherever, not doing nothing. They're getting paid for it. And then I'm over here stressed out because there's 10 million things that we got to do. And I like getting everything done in the day that I'm working so that I don't have anything to have sitting on my desk the next morning to finish or prepare whatever. So then I could focus on that day's stuff because every day comes more, no matter what, it just piles and piles and piles and piles. If you were to leave it, it would just pile. When I first walked into the upstairs, when I first got hired, Tricia's like, you're not gonna be at reception, you're gonna be upstairs. I'm like, okay, I thought I was just coming to answer phones here. didn't know what students were doing. Anyways, I go up to the sales office and the gal who was training me legit had a stack of files that tall, that tall on her desk. To close. Why would you wait to close the files? As soon as it's on your desk, do it, get it rid of it, move on to the next. That's literally all. I just don't get it. Every single one needed a warranty. Every single one of them needed the rebate submitted. Every single one of them needed when we had to do PTCS back in the day, we'd enter in the forms onto PTCS, get the BPA approval, print that sheet off, print off the invoices, the BPA approval, the AHRI, the... other forms, PTCS written forms, the handwritten forms and the one that we submit online, the balance point, the heat loss, the customer invoice, you'd have everything to send that. And that was a lot. And then some people back in the day never did heat loss or balance points, never turned those in. And so we had to wait and there was stacks on people's desks to get heat losses and balance points. until finally one day we hired someone and he started doing them all for the other person and got them all done. And then I had to submit 20 rebates in one day. And that was cool. That was kind of terrible. It was really horrible. You can imagine what our AR report looked like because there were so many outstanding rebates because we were waiting on heat loss for 10 months. Yeah. Thanks for fixing them. Yeah. It's so much better. PTCS also sucked. They Ugh, BPA is terrible. Sorry. But I'm really glad that they went away from that stupid form. You had to get technicians PTCS certified. They had to have a certificate and number and they had to be certified in order to fill out the form. And if they filled out the form and didn't have a PTCS number, they would, you would get BPA rejection. It's crazy. Yeah. This next story is about an employee who was completely burnt out. Long commute, heavy workload, resignation without another job, but had some savings. Would you ever quit a job without having another one? No, I couldn't do that. But that's also the sad part too, is if you did quit a job and you had another one lined up and then that other one that was lined up called did reference checks and it's to your current job. And then, you know, I don't that'd just be embarrassing. I don't think I could do that. I've never done that before. I've always had another job already. Like I've always had two jobs or three jobs. So I would always be like, can you help me like raise my hours or whatever, and they'd always be able to help if they needed. So never run into that problem before. You want me to read this one? the $37,000 client. Story four, never treat your staff like sheet on the way out if you don't know where they are going. Posted four years ago by Reagan, 201937. I recently resigned from my job. I was just tired and burnt out and my CEO kept pushing me hard telling me to drive further and that's just how it was. I was also moving house and commuting to work would be another 30 minutes on top of an hour and a half I'm already doing. So enough was enough. I got so tired that I resigned. I had got another job lined up. That's fine. I hadn't got another job lined up. That's fine. I was okay financially. yeah. Who hasn't? All I hear is diesel. As soon as I resigned, my CEO called me into the office 20 minutes later and asked me to leave straight away. Escorted me off site like a criminal and wouldn't even let me say bye to people. Touched my laptop, clear my desk. It was like I was being fired. It was so embarrassing. No one from work got in touch to see if I was okay. And he went around telling everyone he fired me saying it went pear shaped with her at the end. So I had to let her go. Kevin, please, please be careful. Come on. Jesus. He's me resigned and now he's telling everyone he's fired you. Yep. Yep. Embarrassing. Can escorting a resigning employee out be legitimate for security? I don't think so. No. Let them pick up their shit. That's like when I was leaving the hotel, that's I was like we had those little tiny drawers, like these plastic drawers. It was literally a small one, like this big. And I had my stuff in it, like my normal day to day like my binder, my pens, my own calculator, all of my stuff that I purchased for that job specific. A lot of it was from high school to be honest. I still have all that stuff too to this day, like my 45 mechanical pencils. Anyways, I grab all my stuff and the new manager was like, excuse me, that's none of your stuff. You need to put that all back. And I'm like, excuse you, this is my drawer and my belongings. Those papers have written information on there about the hotel and customer information. I'm like, no, they don't. They're all my notes. They are all my notes. There's no confidential customer information in this. This is every note that I have taken since I've worked here of what I need to do and my notes and my task list and everything. It's nothing to do with the customers or anything that I'm gonna be taking away, I'm going to remember or. pass along to God for, it was freaking weird. It's like, shut up. God. So fast forward a few weeks, well, I did find another job with one of my ex-employers clients that use their services to do their emergency training for them, first aid and fire training. And now I'm in charge of who we use as our contractor. My new boss said, well, we normally use your old company at a cost of $37,000 a year. But if you know another company that is better than Switch, I have no loyalty to them. Well, Switch I have done, muahaha. If my old boss hadn't treated me so badly, I definitely would have used their service, but treat me like that and say goodbye to a client. what was you doing for $37,000? maybe it was what what i don't get it Uhhhh Damn. mean, that's just, that's just petty. I would want to deal with my old boss who lied and walked me out and said that was fire. No, people are crazy. If the former company delivered excellent service is changing providers due to a personal conflict fair. I don't think if it if they said you can look for other places if you think you can look for other places and that you can find something cheaper to find it. Yeah. Revenge or business decision? I think both maybe businesses should. Yeah. Especially like you said, if you found somebody cheaper or better. Should staff treatment influence purchases? yeah. I I knew like, like we always go to the same restaurant every year for a Christmas party. But if I found out that some, one of our coworkers had gone there and was treated really unfairly or. really inappropriately, I would be like, I don't think we should have our Christmas. And to be honest, someone did post about that one time and it actually made me really mad because that place has been nothing but loyal to us to deskos, by the way. And they are great. They are delicious. They are amazing. They literally go above and beyond every single year. They try and do their absolute best. The girls and the guys who work their servers, waitresses. They love us. They love working that night. They love serving us. They love helping us. They love our Christmas party. We always have such a good time. It is one of the best times of the year, in my opinion. And especially like when we get everyone together and everyone comes to it. And some people don't, but a lot of people do come to it. It just wants to be petted. And it is a lot of fun, though. but yes, a little beach. Be freezing though. Petty but iconic. Judgment. The person you treat terrible today might be the one deciding whether to hire your company tomorrow. That's right. And in transition for our final story, an employee is convicted, is convicted, the boss convinced the boss can't run the department without him. So he quits to find out. What is with people quitting, idiots? God, really pisses me off. I just don't get it. I quit my job of six years just to prove to a senior man, just to prove to the new management how useless and competent my manager was, and it worked. Posted three years ago by Jlaw18. I started my last job in 2017. I was a part-time warehouse worker who over a few years was promoted into Franksport admin management role. Myself and other colleagues and another colleague ran our department between us, only really reporting to our then line manager if we needed support with any part of our job, work time off, etc. But other than that, he trusted us to completely run things. It wasn't without its stressful days, but we had a really good thing going. Then in 2021, the business made some changes, moved our then line manager into a different department and got a new designated manager just to manage us two in our department. We were naturally quite bitter about it, but nevertheless thought we'd give him a chance. He turned out to be an absolute control freak and a bully. was strained. was... But... He was strange. He could very, he could be very supportive one minute, then manipulate a bully the next. Gross. He loved poking fun at the fact that I had an accident last year. He loved solely targeting me for the bad jobs and loved causing trouble between me and other colleagues. Then in March of this year, my girlfriend fell ill while pregnant and was forced to give birth to our son six weeks prematurely. It was quite an awful traumatic time and I ended up having three weeks off work. When I returned, I had a mountain of work to catch up on that nobody covered in my absence. Followed by me trying to catch up on it and my manager pulling me away to do other projects for him, When his other two staff members weren't doing anything, then when my work was late, was forever kicking off at me that I couldn't manage my time properly. Then in May, he made a major mistake and pinned the blame on me for it. It caused issues between me and two colleagues I had worked closely with and I was threatened with disciplinary action. Then I just got thinking to myself, Without me running his department, he's nothing. Without me, he wouldn't have a job. Without me, he wouldn't be able to explain what was going on with his department to senior management. How I ran his department, or him, on half of his salary, he takes all the glory and we get all of the grief. I don't like that. I had one last run in with him over this mistake he'd made and handed my formal notice into him the following day. It was funny over those four weeks of serving my notice. just watching him slowly take over my responsibilities and struggling with them. Those responsibilities that he often told me, I don't even know what you do during the day. He had to then do the horrible jobs he used to pile on me. And on my final day in June, I told my fellow colleagues that I'll give him three months before he either quits or gets fired. Within the first few weeks, the department massively failed their monthly audit. which sparked attention of company directors who were sent in to investigate as this had never happened before. Then bang, one month later, I was on holiday and had one of the senior managers ringing me and texting me asking for passwords for systems as my line manager had gone on holiday and hadn't written anything. I ignored him because I didn't work there anymore and I was on holiday. Then he kept continuing to make mistakes. He hadn't ordered essential items, which caused trouble for the site. He didn't have a clue about the job in question, as I originally was out to prove. Then a month after that, he was suspended from his duties pending further investigation as management finally realized he couldn't do the job in question. A month after that, management claimed he quit with immediate effect. I think he was fired, but either way, my three month prediction was right and he couldn't run that shift without me. It really is Eddie Revenge quitting a job to prove a point, but it proved the point. Good riddance. I now run my own business, have a much better work-life balance, earning more than I could ever have dreamed of in his place. Life is fantastic. that is just so good. I love to hear that. Confidence or arrogance? Same. This is one of those situations where arrogance is okay because that manager kind of deserved it. He was hired out of nowhere, obviously, and then was just stepping on this guy's toes the whole time. Gross. That is like- I don't like that. I was working at Squam Health and Rehab and Karen moved to social services, I thought that I would have been getting the director position. But instead we brought in this other guy and what did he do all day? He sat in the office doing everything like interacting with all of the employees, not the residents. He wasn't doing anything with them all day. And so finally I walked into Ed's office and I told him all about it and I was like, can't, I why it was happening. So finally I don't remember exactly where that guy went. I think he went into social services for a little bit and then he left and put someone else, but why don't I remember any of that? it was after you left. Well, Karen was in social services though when I was up front. So I don't remember. So weird. he called it three months. Did the employee keep too much operational knowledge to themselves and think maybe his boss wanted to know what was going on? No. Are you kidding me? No. They don't want to know what's going on. They just want it to be done and done right. And they don't want to know how you do it or what you're doing to do it. They don't want to know the process. They don't want to do it themselves. They want someone else to do it, which is totally fine. If you could afford to do it, would you ever quit to prove it? No, I don't know. I couldn't do it. I think it would really defend. if I was, if it was getting to the point where I didn't like a lot of the other people around, then maybe I might. But I don't think I would just approve a point. It's not really worth my time. It's not. It's like, just explain, explain your viewpoint of everything and explain. how you do it, why you do it a certain way, what you expect of them, what you expect of a manager. And then if it doesn't change, then I don't know. Right. There was for a while after I stopped working at Scum Health and Rehab, probably two or three years after I would get phone calls and text messages asking for passwords and all this stuff. And I'm like, I don't remember that. Like I kept it all written down. Yeah. If the binder's gone, I don't know what to tell you. Somebody asked me if I still had a key at one point. What? I like, I don't have anything. I took all of my stuff and left everything that belonged to you guys behind. I don't know what you want me to tell you. It's so weird. It's like... I don't know. It's like, if you don't have enough for the right people to have something like a key, for example, if you only have one key and this one key is to this one paper towel holder, maybe you get another key for the other two paper towel holders. I don't know. Then you don't have to rely on this one that you are probably gonna lose eventually or. Or this key to whatever, I don't know, the upstairs closet? Yeah. Maybe get another one? I don't know. mean, just just a thought. It's not it's not really like my my thing to be doing that. But I mean, if it's needed, it's needed. If you need to prove a point, prove a point, but. If one employee leaving causes your entire department to collapse, you don't have a staffing problem, you have a management problem. Okay. Well, out of all five stories, which resignation would you most want to witness in person? I don't know, honestly. do too. That was some good petty revenge. Which person actually made the worst decision? Ummm... I would say the one where they quit and came back. And if you could quit any job with zero financial consequences, would you do it dramatically or just quietly disappear? I would just quietly disappear. One day just never, never come in. Then everyone would be like, what happened? You'd be like, I don't know. I don't know. That's what I did at Walmart. I just stopped showing them up. Then they would call me and I wouldn't answer. I was going to do that with the one, my very first job. But I was like, I can't do this anymore. I'm not going to not tell you that I'm not going to come in anymore, but I'm just telling you I can't do it anymore. I was too scared to quit. I thought they were going to get mad at me. So I just just left. no. And then I did it with Squim Walmart and I didn't go back in there for like two years because I didn't want to. My God. So you don't go to the swim one? Give me baby. Give me baby. Give me baby. Mm-hmm. What's that? And maybe learn how to do your job before your entire department quits. We want the stories, the drama, the receipts, all of it please, please. And don't forget to like, follow, subscribe, and share the episode. with that one coworker who always says they're quitting but never actually does. Me sharing this as soon as we're all done. Me, one more time. Becca goes, you better stop fucking saying one more time because you're never going to do anything. And then I told Tanner, said, I'm going to say one more time. And then Becca gets really mad. He's like, because you're a bitch and you won't say shit. Like, you're totally right. I'd never say anything. Well. All righty. Until next time. Your workplace has rumors. We have microphones. Bye! Bye-bye, everyone! 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