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Chuck in the Morning 7-29 Hour 3: Hugh Millen is in-studio with his thoughts on Brian Fleury's offense early on and that Mariners win! · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Not really, I think, you know, and I think a
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  Speaker 1: part of that too is like I didn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: think I played my best football in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you always dream. I've said this a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but like you always dream as a quarterback when you
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  Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, you want to throw for four
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards and you know, have three or four touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I took care of the football, which
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  Speaker 1: is first and foremost, Like that's my job. Take care
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  Speaker 1: of the football, marks the team down the field, and
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  Speaker 1: do my job that way. Especially with the way our
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  Speaker 1: defenses roll in that game, you can kind of get
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  Speaker 1: a feel for that, and so I just felt like
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  Speaker 1: it was my job to protect the Bowl. But I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I could have made a lot more throws.
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  Speaker 1: And that makes it a lot easier to kind of
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  Speaker 1: put the Super Bowl in the in the rear view
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  Speaker 1: mirror and just look forward and continue to, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: look forward to this season and continue to work and
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  Speaker 1: strive towards getting better.
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  Speaker 2: It's the voice of Sam Darnold, super Bowl champ, being
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  Speaker 2: quarterback of yours Seahawks, last night right here on these
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  Speaker 2: airwaves Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A r FM.
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  Speaker 2: He was grilled. I mean he had two Mike Wallace's
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  Speaker 2: going after him. It was softy. It was Hugh Millan
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  Speaker 2: interviewing him last night from Seahawks training camp and some
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  Speaker 2: some great stuff. You want to hear the entire interview,
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  Speaker 2: go to ninety three three KJR dot com. The interviewer
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  Speaker 2: or one of the two is whether it's right here
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  Speaker 2: in studio or QB one is whether it's.
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  Speaker 3: Hugh Millen, Good morning. What's happening? Yeah, a couple of
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  Speaker 3: roy firestones. Yeah, did you get him a.
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  Speaker 4: Cry at any point? Did he tear up at all? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: We yank at any emotions.
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  Speaker 3: All kinds of mommy and daddy issues from early childhood.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what did you want to ask him and what
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  Speaker 2: did you feel that you got out of him in
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  Speaker 2: that conversation yesterday?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what I'd really love to know, probably
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  Speaker 3: more than anything is here. Here's a guy that that
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  Speaker 3: took the path. We all know the failures with the
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  Speaker 3: jets and what have you. And then he kind of
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  Speaker 3: emerged like a phoenix, you know, from the ashes and
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  Speaker 3: and you know the Viking success and then and then
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  Speaker 3: all through last year and when everybody said he couldn't
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  Speaker 3: win the big game. You know, I'd love to to
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  Speaker 3: to know there had to be somebody that he would say, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: take that something. But you can't ask him that question
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  Speaker 3: because you know he's not going to answer it. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, you kind of dance around, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the uh, the satisfaction that he may have had
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  Speaker 3: from that. But I that that would be one where
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  Speaker 3: I'd start is wanting to know just you know, whether
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  Speaker 3: it was a relief. We asked him, was it a
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  Speaker 3: relief like you know Steve Young member when Steve Young
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  Speaker 3: and and and the Invisible Monkey and what have you?
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  Speaker 3: And uh, But but Sam's such a humble guy that
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  Speaker 3: he's just gonna deflect and he's just going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about the team and what have you. So I think
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  Speaker 3: he's a wonderful guy. I think is I don't wonderful quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that'd be the first adjective I would use.
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  Speaker 3: But he's darn good. I'm glad. I'm glad he's with us.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you get out of the conversation that
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe you weren't expecting to get some sort
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  Speaker 2: of answer that that you like, maybe surprised you a
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  Speaker 2: little bit well anything, maybe nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I would say that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we we we talked about the working with Flory, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and whether or not, uh, there's gonna be any changes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and and you know, true to his nature,
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  Speaker 3: he says, hey, I'm gonna let the coaches coach. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that that he can he can communicate you know,
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  Speaker 3: his ideas through throughout the week. You know, maybe not
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  Speaker 3: he's involved in the game plan, but I think that
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  Speaker 3: he may step up and feel like there's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more autonomy with what's going on working with the
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  Speaker 3: first time play color. I mean, it's a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: MVP now. And how his how his teammates look at him.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very interested in that because my theory is is that, yes,
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  Speaker 3: the players believed in him. And Ernest Jones made the
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  Speaker 3: comment after the first RAM game, and he appreciated that
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  Speaker 3: very much that he expressed that. But there's still no
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  Speaker 3: way it's not to me. It's not binary. They either
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  Speaker 3: believe in you or they don't, you know, like the
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  Speaker 3: Buccaneers believe in in Baker Mayfield, but the Buccaneers don't
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  Speaker 3: believe in Baker Mayfield to the extent that the forty
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  Speaker 3: nine ers believed in Joe Montana after he had won
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  Speaker 3: four Super Bowls, right like like that you keep earning that.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think the player that the teammates believe
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  Speaker 3: in Sam MacDonald.
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  Speaker 4: This would be my theory.
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  Speaker 3: They believed in him in what er Ernest Jone said
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  Speaker 3: was that was genuine, that was from his heart. But
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  Speaker 3: they still they haven't had that that crowning yet. And
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  Speaker 3: the fact that they won a super Bowl with this guy,
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  Speaker 3: and and now they have all the rings and the
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  Speaker 3: hardware and what have you, and and when they see
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, they know that there's a that's a guy
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  Speaker 3: that can take us all the way.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's really important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious as to how that does affect the
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  Speaker 2: team that he does walk into a training camp as
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  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl champion for the first time. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you were around, you were on the you were in
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  Speaker 2: the same quarterback room with Lway, you were in the
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  Speaker 2: same quarterback room with Aikman. But I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: you were there before and after. If I'm not mistaken,
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  Speaker 2: they were super Bowl champions. I'm not sure you caught
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  Speaker 2: them on both of both sides of that. But certainly
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  Speaker 2: you have experienced being around championship level quarterbacks. What what
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  Speaker 2: How would it feel different to Sam? How would it
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  Speaker 2: feel different to his teammates that he's reporting just the
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  Speaker 2: second year reporting to Renton as a football player for
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  Speaker 2: training camp, but one year later it's a super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: champion who should have by now shut up all of
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  Speaker 2: his doubters even though he hasn't well and excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: Marino hadn't won.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, he never won a super Bowl, but I
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  Speaker 3: think he had the reverence from his teammates that would
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  Speaker 3: be at a super Bowl winning level, Like you know,
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  Speaker 3: he all but walked on water down there, right, yeah, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: of course. And so my speculation would be that that
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  Speaker 3: it would be a relief for same Sam and a
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  Speaker 3: conference build builder, and and that the team, now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they just just have a it got stamped, you know,
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  Speaker 3: before it was kind of in pencil and now got
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  Speaker 3: inked that, yeah, this guy can win. For so even
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  Speaker 3: if he he's going to have another bad game. When
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  Speaker 3: he has another bad game, people aren't gonna you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that he can't win. The big one thing
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  Speaker 3: I would I would venture chuck that when Darnold threw
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  Speaker 3: his second interception, in the Thursday Night game against the Rams,
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  Speaker 3: second of four. You're talking about that game, Yeah, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: The four interception game was in November in Englewood.
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  Speaker 4: That was in LA.
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  Speaker 3: Then you had the Thursday night game up here and
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  Speaker 3: he crazy one, Yeah, the crazy one. And he threw
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  Speaker 3: his second interception early in the fourth quarter. At that juncture,
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  Speaker 3: his passer rating against the Rams for that year was
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  Speaker 3: forty seven. He had he had no touchdowns and six interceptions.
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  Speaker 3: If you stop right there and the Seahawks are down
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  Speaker 3: thirty to fourteen at around that juncture, and if you
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  Speaker 3: just stop and say, what does the team feel about
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, Well, they've just watched him through six interceptions
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  Speaker 3: against the Rams. You lose him by sixteen points. I
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  Speaker 3: would think that they would start to have some real
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  Speaker 3: doubts about him from that point on. When he threw
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  Speaker 3: that second interception, he went from zero touchdowns and six interceptions,
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  Speaker 3: he went to five touchdowns, no interceptions over the next
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  Speaker 3: two quarters. That's the fourth quarter and over time and
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  Speaker 3: then the NFC Championship game, and he had one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and thirty three passer rating. He went from a forty
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  Speaker 3: seven to a one to thirty three, and he just
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  Speaker 3: found a way somehow, he found a way early in
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  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter of that RAM game to flip the switch.
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  Speaker 3: And I can't tell you how much respect I have
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  Speaker 3: for a guy to be able to, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: dig deep and find that for you know. Fort to
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  Speaker 3: two is a word we don't really use other than
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  Speaker 3: in poe ones, you know. But but but.
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  Speaker 4: It seems like the rhyme fortitude with anything though gratitude
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  Speaker 4: for his fortitude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but uh but but uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the sill fortitude.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: But one of your bros ever sit around on a
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  Speaker 3: bear go all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I was making love to my woman the other day,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, you did that with great fortitude.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'll borrow that went over a gang buster. Yeah
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  Speaker 3: here from Ashley too.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Miller is with us our QB one uh as uh,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking Sam Darnold. Of course, Hugh and Softy interviewed
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  Speaker 2: Sam last night. If you want to check out that
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  Speaker 2: entire interview ninety three three k a R dot com.
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  Speaker 2: But certainly, you know this is somebody that we think
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  Speaker 2: should have silenced all of his critics. He has not,
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  Speaker 2: and so for a follow up to being a Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl champion, I still think he's got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: ceiling left. I think that he found a lot, found
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  Speaker 2: out a lot about himself, his capabilities two years ago
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  Speaker 2: in Minnesota, found out even more about himself last year
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  Speaker 2: after living with a lot of disappointment as a professional
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  Speaker 2: athlete for a number of years and in different uniforms,
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  Speaker 2: and now now he can just kind of relax and
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  Speaker 2: say I want to let my knowledge, my skill, my talent,
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  Speaker 2: my relationships with my teammates just kind of take over.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's another level or two that he can
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  Speaker 2: reach him I out of my mind.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think so at all.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know physically how much better he can get,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, he's played at a pro bowl level
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  Speaker 3: the last two years. Last year he led the league
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  Speaker 3: in yards per dropback, which we've discussed as a correlation
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  Speaker 3: to winning over seven hundred. So I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: he can get a lot better, just because I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if anybody can get a lot better statistically at
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  Speaker 3: some of these things, but certainly he can't. He'll he would,
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  Speaker 3: he would briskly say, of course I can get better.
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  Speaker 3: I we would hope that that winning the super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: and getting the real respect that we were just talking
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  Speaker 3: about a moment ago from his his teammates, and maybe
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  Speaker 3: the stop asking the question. You know that before every
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  Speaker 3: big game last year, the Seattle Times had a headline
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  Speaker 3: can Sam Donald's words to the effect of can Donald
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  Speaker 3: will now win the Big One? Even after he had
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  Speaker 3: just won won a couple weeks ago? You know, So
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  Speaker 3: so you know, if that if if one of the
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  Speaker 3: sports pages is laying around the locker room, all the
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  Speaker 3: players are seeing this headline, you know, Ken Donald win
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  Speaker 3: the Big One to stuff and and and they know
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  Speaker 3: it because it's coming from a lot of different channels,
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  Speaker 3: and uh and and so the theory would be that
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  Speaker 3: because he has emphatically he stated and accomplished that yes,
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  Speaker 3: indeed I can win the Big One, can't win any
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  Speaker 3: bigger than what he just won, then maybe there's a
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  Speaker 3: relief there and that he can just play kind of
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  Speaker 3: unbridled and sort of new heights. I mean, he's only
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  Speaker 3: twenty nine years old, so yeah, yeah, it's entirely plausible.
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  Speaker 4: What do you see, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, you've now laid eyes on him. Sam twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold at training camp. I mean, does anything stand
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  Speaker 2: out about has anything look different? I mean, he is
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  Speaker 2: running a new offense, he's getting used to a new
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  Speaker 2: running back, he's getting used to a new offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: In the last couple of days at camp, did anything stand.
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  Speaker 4: Out to you about Sam? I think that he.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, there's a right for right now, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of pass rush on him. I think that
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  Speaker 3: that the pass rush is closing in on him. They're
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  Speaker 3: not in pads, and so, you know, sometimes the way
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  Speaker 3: you handle that, you know, defensive lineman they're playing all
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  Speaker 3: out offensive line. You know, maybe they can't do things
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  Speaker 3: they want to do from a context, you know, use
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  Speaker 3: their head to you know, stun somebody for example, and
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  Speaker 3: and and so right now, I feel like the pocket
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  Speaker 3: is closing fast on him, and so he's having to
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  Speaker 3: wiggle around the pocket a lot. But I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 3: that there's any glaring difference about what you see makes
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  Speaker 3: a lot of good throws, a very few poor throws.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I look at him. There's a video board
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  Speaker 3: on the side of the practice. Now, not every team
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  Speaker 3: has done that. In fact, this is the first time
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  Speaker 3: I've seen this Seahawks do this just in recent years,
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  Speaker 3: but but they they'll run the play, so you watch,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as you're observing the play from practice, you
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  Speaker 3: watch the play, and then you turn around on the
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  Speaker 3: video board and it's about it's on a constant feed.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's about ten seconds behind, fifteen seconds behind,
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  Speaker 3: probably ten twelve seconds behind. And so the players can
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  Speaker 3: then look at the play immediately, so you'll see him.
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  Speaker 3: He'll he'll go stand and watch the video of a play,
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  Speaker 3: and you can see he's got a very high standard
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  Speaker 3: because he shakes his head and he you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he kind of looks disgusted in himself on plays that
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  Speaker 3: aren't even that bad. So I think that he's you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's some signs that he's he's, uh, he's holding himself
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  Speaker 3: to very high standard. And then there's no coach around
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  Speaker 3: him saying, hey, look right there, you know you miss
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  Speaker 3: that or or what have you. It's just him critiquing
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  Speaker 3: off of the what's termed the all twenty two tapes
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  Speaker 3: so that he can see the you know, the obviously
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  Speaker 3: the offense and then all twenty two of players with
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  Speaker 3: the back safeties and what have you. So he's he's
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  Speaker 3: seeing the picture that he would normally evaluate in a
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  Speaker 3: meeting after practice. The way they have it, you can
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  Speaker 3: watch it immediately, and so he's taking that in like.
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  Speaker 2: On YouTube now like you gonna see me shaking my
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  Speaker 2: head after every segment. Now, that could have been better,
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  Speaker 2: just for all the segments, Chuck, I just wanted. I
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  Speaker 2: don't need to be called into the office to be cold.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millan is with us r QB one. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: a day off for Seahawks training camp today, but does
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  Speaker 2: give us a chance to get some other thoughts. I
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  Speaker 2: mean beyond Sam Darnold, yesterday you watched practice. Any nuggets
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  Speaker 2: come out of yesterday's observation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that Brian Floury coming from the Rams,
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, from the forty nine ers they had Christian McCaffrey,
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  Speaker 3: and Christian McCaffrey is probably in the top three, probably
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  Speaker 3: top two running backs I've ever seen coming out of
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  Speaker 3: the backfield. I think Marshall Fallk with the Rams is
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  Speaker 3: kind of the gold standard. Yeah, there's a guy named
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  Speaker 3: Gary Anderson that played in the USL for a buck
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  Speaker 3: An Air Charger and then he played for the charge Yep, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you got it. So my top three in my years
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  Speaker 3: watching the NFL would be those three guys. And so
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  Speaker 3: Flory comes in and they're really trying to feature the
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  Speaker 3: running backs, particularly on the wheel routes. I'm seeing more
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  Speaker 3: wheel routes. And what is a wheel route the way
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  Speaker 3: a wheel route is a running back. He starts to
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  Speaker 3: go to the flat and then turns it up to
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  Speaker 3: a vertical, generally up the sideline right. It's generally into
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  Speaker 3: the boundary, not to the field. It's generally to the
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  Speaker 3: weak side of the formation. So what you do, so
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  Speaker 3: let's say you're on the left hash and you go
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  Speaker 3: trips right, So you're putting three receivers to the right side.
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  Speaker 3: So that means you have an X receiver, a split
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  Speaker 3: end into the boundary, and then the halfback. So what
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  Speaker 3: you want to do is you want to take that
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  Speaker 3: X receiver and you want to clear out the vertical space,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's a go route or typically you want to
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  Speaker 3: post route, because a post route will start vertical, which
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  Speaker 3: will clear the corner, but then as you go to
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  Speaker 3: the post, the corner will move begin to shadow with
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  Speaker 3: him and that will pull him farther from the sideline. Now, eventually,
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  Speaker 3: if there's good communication between a corner and a free safety.
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  Speaker 3: Depending on the coverage and the nearest safety, the corner
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  Speaker 3: can hand off that post to the safety. But that
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, that doesn't always get executed, you know, right
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of a play. And so the wheel
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  Speaker 3: is most often accompanied with a post route in front
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  Speaker 3: of it, and so that puts a burden on the
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  Speaker 3: whether it's manner zone on with the flat defender the
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  Speaker 3: underneath widest defender. So we have deep covered guys and
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  Speaker 3: we have shallow covers the underneath coverage guys, and those zones,
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  Speaker 3: the widest ones close to the sideline are called curl
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  Speaker 3: flat and then the inside guys closer to the hasmark
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  Speaker 3: to the midfield are called hook zone defenders. And so
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  Speaker 3: that that player as the curl flat is he he's
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  Speaker 3: got a widen with the flat route. But then he's
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  Speaker 3: got to he's got to carry a wheel. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes you'll see in a defensive playbook you'll see that responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: You'll say, I'm CFW coral flat wheel and what that means.
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  Speaker 3: That's hard for a linebacker to start to cover the flat.
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  Speaker 3: Like remember when Drake Thomas had the the interception against
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  Speaker 3: McCaffrey in that forty nine er. In the forty nine
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  Speaker 3: er was the fourth quarter of the game, right, and
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  Speaker 3: they were trying to hit McCaffrey on a flat and
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  Speaker 3: Drake Thomas matched him. The balls a little behind, gets bobble,
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  Speaker 3: Thomas makes the interception. So now the wheel route would
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  Speaker 3: be faking something to the flat then turning into vertical,
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  Speaker 3: and it puts a burden on the athleticism of the linebacker.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: We've already talked in the past or the last couple
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: of days that when when the Seahawks generally when they
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: line up with nick em and Worry as the SAM
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  Speaker 3: linebacker and now I'm I'm gonna go to the defense
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: to make a point, he's as a SAM backer, he's
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  Speaker 3: usually to the to the field. The field is is
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  Speaker 3: is is the opposite of the boundary and and it's
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  Speaker 3: more there's more ground to cover, so at any rate,
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  Speaker 3: and so Drake Thomas he's into the boundary and Emon
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  Speaker 3: Worry is into the field. So if you're running wheel
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  Speaker 3: routes into the boundary, you're more likely to get you know,
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  Speaker 3: a guy that that can't cover as much ground.
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  Speaker 4: So how is it working? Then with Flora against Nick.
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  Speaker 4: What's that with Flory?
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 3: What is What's throwing a lot of wheel routes, A
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: lot of wheel routes. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm there throwing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of Jenderium price to all the running backs
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  Speaker 3: and they're getting touchdowns out of them. They're getting a
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  Speaker 3: long Some of the biggest uh you know, hoots and
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  Speaker 3: haulers that I've heard from the fans on the burm
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  Speaker 3: are on long passes on these wheel routes to running
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  Speaker 3: backs that are touchdowns are long gains. And I'm just
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: seeing a lot of wheel routes.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't have to necessarily have a McCaffrey to
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  Speaker 2: be able to be effective in that play.
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  Speaker 3: No, McCaffrey is going to be better because because he can,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's quick, he understands how to set up defenders,
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  Speaker 3: and then he tracks the ball and he's got the hands.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: So any quarterback would rather throw to McCaffrey than any
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: anybody we have. But I think what Flory is is
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: trying to test and say, hey, do we have anybody
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: who can do these McCaffrey type things. And so I'm
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: laying out some of the x's and o's that that
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that are that are involved in the in the thinking
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: by coaches and players on what makes a wheel route work.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: But but we've seen a lot of them. I mean
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't if you know, after I saw the first one,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: it didn't really make an imprint on me. After I,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: like I saw the seventh one, might be this might
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: be worth talking about on KGr for a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to find the easy solution to all
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of this. But if Falk's better than McCaffrey, then why
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: don't we just get Marshall faul.
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  Speaker 6: It's so simple, right right, I mean, if you're getting
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Aaron Donald, he's not even on a team right now,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: hanging out in Canton.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't even have you wouldn't even have to pay.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: With Kenneth Walker. No, no, let's get it.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Let's get the best nets if he's fifty five.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Coming up next, We've got Hugh and studio for the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: next couple of hours here, and I'm going to introduce
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a new feature to our training camp coverage, something that
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: is really going to test our QB one.
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  Speaker 4: We're calling it Spin the Pin.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to do it next on Sports Radio
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  Speaker 2: ninety three point three kJ R F M Great Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: morning to you all.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Chuck Powe.
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  Speaker 2: Lash Ryan is here and our QB one Hugh Millan,
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  Speaker 2: who we've been leaning on pretty heavily here this week.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Training camp coverage got started on Monday. Today there is
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: no training camp. They took the day off and it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: given us an opportunity to be in studio here together,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and we do have our QB one ready to introduce
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: a brand new feature to our training camp coverage. Came
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: up with this off the air yesterday. I'm like, is
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  Speaker 2: there a way that I can catch you off guard
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  Speaker 2: with anything?
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  Speaker 4: Can I?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: He's like, he was like, oh, I got I'm pretty
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: well studied on this this team right here. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: if I just like spun a wheel and it landed
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  Speaker 2: on somebody, you'd be good to go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it might be, and might be.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to get over my skis there's a
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  Speaker 3: chance you could trip me up.
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  Speaker 2: So I said, well we should do that then, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: so we are going to.
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  Speaker 4: Introduce today spin the Pin.
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  Speaker 2: So I have all of the players on the roster
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  Speaker 2: on a sheet. I've got them like in an oval, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and I am going to spin an ink pin because
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: that's all we have in lieu of proper game show equipment.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not gonna make a sound. It's not gonna
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: make any kind of noise. So I'm gonna actually literally
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  Speaker 2: spend the pin on a piece of paper that I
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  Speaker 2: crafted with all the Seahawks players on the roster on it.
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  Speaker 4: But it's gonna sound like this. We won't stay on
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  Speaker 4: the sheet.
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  Speaker 3: You need me to spin it?
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: No, no flawless. Uh, I'm gonna say that landed on.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Are you ready? I'm ready get it to us. Derek Hall,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Derek Hall, Derek Hall, he's back. He's got a new contract.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: He took less than what they said he could get
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: on the open market. Yeah, he's on the second team
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: depth chart right now with the Seattle Seahawks. Is the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: one I pulled up so and working a lot with
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: the number ones yesterday because DeMarcus Lawrence is, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: having his downtime.
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  Speaker 4: Derek So, Derek Hall.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I think if we're talking about Derek Hall,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: that he was one of the leading edge guys along
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  Speaker 3: with Boy Mafy. Why is Boy Mafey at Cincinnati Bengal
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Because because Derek Hall holds a better edge in the
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  Speaker 3: running game.
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  Speaker 4: And when you look at him.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: He he there's a man. I've been talking about Jedion
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Price and his skinny legs. Let me tell you something
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: about Derek Hall and his frame and his legs. I mean,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: he looks like an undertaker, like like a human undertaker
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: that's going to freak, like put you in the morgue.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Like his his violence factor is possibly the best on
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the team. And so there's there's a strength, there's a
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: great strength that he is the ultimate mesmorph. Look it up,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: it's an actual He is the ultimate mesomorph that if
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: you don't want to look it up, but that's that's
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the that's the most muscular type of frame you can have.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: So you say, well, all the all these guys are
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: are they're professional? Well, some of them are intomorphics, some
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: of them are ectamorphic. He is mesomorphic, which is is
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the thick muscle.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Uh and my high school nickname makes perfect sense. Well
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: what were the big ecto?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, now it finally makes sense. Oh I why is
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: everybody calling me around here? Ladies?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you misheard that.
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  Speaker 4: That's okay.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway, mesomorph Yes, mesomorphic is is the muscles, and and
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: so the violence of his ability to hold the edge
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: so on on these outside zones.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Let's say that forty nine is their favorite plays the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: outside zone. If a tight end can handle the the
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  Speaker 3: edge player, that's gonna be a big problem for the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: defense that that edge player has to stack on that
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  Speaker 3: that that tight end and be able to throw him
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  Speaker 3: and and not get moved. So that's one of the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: great battles in the outside z owned Seahawks favorite play,
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  Speaker 3: it's the forty nine ers favorite play. Rams run it
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  Speaker 3: a lot, and so the ability to set the edge
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  Speaker 3: is is paramount for Mike McDonald, every coach wants an
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: edge player is looking, hey, how did he set the edge?
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: How does he get after the passer? Mike McDonald leans
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: more heavily than others, For example, the Bengals. They they
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: proved to you where their priority is. We're gonna pay
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: twenty million for a guy that doesn't set the edge
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  Speaker 3: nearly as well as Derek Hall, right, But he's he's
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: perhaps a little twitchier, a little bit, a little bit
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: uh little, you know, the a little more quickness in mafe.
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  Speaker 3: But Hall, you saw him in the Super Bowl. He
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: uses his strength again, the mesomorphic nature of his frame
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: and his training. You know, I'm not saying he just
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: you know, he just hit the ground running with that
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: He's developed his his his body, and and so that
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: ability to hold the edge is vital to what they do.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: You hold the edge on first down and second down
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: and create the longer third down situations. It's like a
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: pitcher being in an O two count. You know, the
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: longer yardage you can have, and so you have to
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: earn the right. You know, they talk to earn the
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: right to rush the passer on third down by how
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: you play on the neutral downs first and ten second, second, medium,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: then stopping that run. So I would say, there there
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: are decisions with these young edge players. Can remember now
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: you got Nosu and d Law, the older defensive ends.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: They augment that with foallor this year.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And then you had the young guys Derek Hall and
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: you had Mboy Mafe.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Their their decision of who to retain is an indicator.
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  Speaker 4: Of their philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that Hall doesn't have some sack up
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  Speaker 2: side though, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He has sack upside.
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  Speaker 3: He uses He's gonna use power more than strength and
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  Speaker 3: he's plenty he's plenty twitchy enough. I mean, he has
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: more than sufficient twitchiness. I'm just saying that he doesn't
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: have the twitch of the elite, right, Uh guys, you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I mean nowadays in the combine, you got guys that
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: are you know, uh, you know, six y five, two
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty pounds that are running in the four fours.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: So he's he's not that that kind of speed athlete.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: He's gonna get more, uh you know, convert speed to power.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: So he's gonna try and beat the tackle to the outside,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: get the tackle to commit to try and stop his
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: edge rush, and then he's more likely to say, Okay,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to continue on trying to get the edge.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Now I've got you thinking that I'm going to the edge.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I think my best path to the quarterback is now
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to convert. I've fooled you thinking I'm trying to get
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: around you, but now I want to go right through
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: you and catch you off balance, get up underneath you,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: and and walk you back to the quarterback. And so
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: so that's that's stuff with you know, he had he
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: had a beautiful sack that way in the Super Bowl.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Uh, where where you know, it's speed to power. I'm
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: glad spend the pen landed on Derek Hall. We needed
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: to talk about Derek. I'm talking about Derek Hall. He
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: deserves I agree.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And and you know what, when Cincinnati chooses Mafe and
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald picks Hall, I feel pretty.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Good, right, I mean, the Cincinnati sit back there like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: wait a minute, he rather would have Hall? Did we
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: make a mistake? You right? Wouldn't you question that if
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: you're Cincinnati.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Like if I'm a Bengal fan, have you found out
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: afterwards like Mike McDonald wanted Haul all along cheaper rate? Well,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: if I had done a deep dive on who Mike
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: McDonald is. Yeah, now we've all done that deep dive
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: because he's ours, right, But you know, Mike McDonald just
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: has this this vision of how pro football is supposed
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: to look in every facet.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: It's not just the defense. He'll walk over to the
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator and give him a list of things.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Hey, this is not good enough.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: And I just said would as if, as if that's hypothetical.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I think that's poor choice of words by me. He
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: does It's not that he would do it, or he
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: might do it or he will do it. He does
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: do it. And and you know that that it's been
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: said that a great painting needs two people, the artist
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: and then somebody to tell him when to stop, which
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: if you can kind of visualize like okay, that there
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: is a point where right, there is a point where
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you just say, okay, it's right, it's right now, like
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: stop tinkering, we have it now, my analogy is going
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: to break down because with Mike McDonald there's there's not
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: two people. It's it's he. It's his vision. And then
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: he decides when he says, okay, we we I'm gonna
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: be We're gonna be really complicated, but as Einstein said,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: no more complicated than we need than needed. And and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: so that's his vision of football, and and he knows
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: exactly how much complexity he can have and then when
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: to stop.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Nobody's tapping him on the shoulder. But but I don't know.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: It's a good illustration for me to like, like like
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: to think of just how important it is in so
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: many endeavors to know when when it's right or we're
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the cost of getting any more improvement is diminishing returns,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Like we can have another hour meeting. We're only gonna
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: get one percent. We're gonna wear these guys down.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: No, we have it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: We're good guys, understand they can play fast and uh so,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: so you're right. His declaration with Derek Hall that this
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: is the young defensive and I want to keep it
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: tells us a lot about his philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And McDonald versus Mike Brown, I'll
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: go with McDonald on that one. Even a mesomorph like
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: me could figure that out. You know, somebody who's just.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: All physical and strong and raw. All right?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Coming up next here on the radio program much with you,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: we will talk a little bit more. I mean, we
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: can't go the entire two hours with Hugh and not
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: mention that baseball game last night. I'm wanna get huge thought.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R f.
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  Speaker 5: M drilled out to center.
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  Speaker 4: Does he have.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Dog cat zone?
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  Speaker 2: His second home run tonight, hatzid Dodger Stadium.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: It's another against a lefty and the Mariners take a
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: seven five lead. An incredible performance.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Aaron Goldsmith Mariners TV with the call last night.
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  Speaker 2: One of many highlights. One of many really good calls
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: from Aaron last night. DOMCN Zone two home runs, now
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: eighteen on the season, a star emerging right before our eyes.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But that was that was the most fun game that
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I've watched the Mariners play this year. It still would
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: have been very entertaining had they lost, but obviously much
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: more relieving that they won. We talked about it, yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: for most of the first two hours we had Hugh
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: in today to talk about Seahawks.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: But I got to ask you about that baseball game.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: We can't go two hours watch all that. Yeah, talking
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: about that baseball game last night, what did you think?
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, my probably primary thought had to do with
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: an athlete, and I didn't collaborate. It was it was
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: about uh can Zone's home runs? And but then Aaron
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Goldsmith kind of took it from me. I think the
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: idea that that both of them were against left handed pitches.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: What an irony? Right that it took him so long
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to break in. Now he's uh, you know it's hit
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: hitting lead off third?
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Is he third? Coles? H? Coles? Yeah, he's never hit
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: leadoff colem h No, No.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, so, but hitting off of two left handed pitching,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I think the you know, while well, I uh castill
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: got wrapped hard and even the outs, you know, the
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: they know damn near did the warning trap and tracking
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: the first but he was able to to Gront. There's
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: some pitching performance on multiple innings too by Castillo and
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: of course Munos where they got themselves into real trouble.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I mean to have Showhy on third base with no
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: outs in the ninth inning. That was a hell of
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: incredible job by Munos. And but you know, in the discussion,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I find it very fascinating discussion about, you know, focus,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: the focus of the baseball team. I absolutely agree concede
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: that last night seemed to feel like they're more focused
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: and more determined and not look more locked in they
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: did to me and and I. And that's easy to
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: say after a win, but I was I was thinking
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: that from the second inning, like when cal responded with
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the homer, just the way he ran around the bases,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: way was greeted in the dugout, and then when Julio
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: hit a home run, like, oh this is there's a
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: different mindset here tonight. Yeah, they had clearly the right mindset.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: But I think that so if we're if we're evaluating
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: on a micro level, last night, I would agree I
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: think if we brought it out to Macro. I I'm
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: not saying I disagree. I'm saying that that as I
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: hear the discussion, I'm not saying and I defer to
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you and and and countless others in baseball. I just
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: watch it as a fan. But I do think that
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of times in baseball, what where people describe listless.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: And again I'm not.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Saying you, but I see the word in print listless
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: a lot and what have you, And I'm not always
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: convinced that their their interpretation of listless is is what
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I'm seeing. I think it's more often that they're playing
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: without confidence. I think they're going through a game. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: don't think they I don't disagree with that at all.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: So you listless implies to me, I haven't looked the
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: word up. But it's not a terribly you know, opaque
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: word that that you're not that you haven't brought the
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: right energy and effort to the game, that you're kind
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: of there's a disinterest to it. You know that you're
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: relatively indifferent, not that you are indifferent, but your desire
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: to win isn't what it should be. That's what listless
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: implies to me. I think sometimes that word gets applied
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to guys.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: That really want to win.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Are you know trying like hell, baseball is really hard
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: and they're not playing with confidence.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: And it could be in the field, well it could.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: You know, they're not good fielders, and you know when
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: they're not hitting, they don't go up there like I
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: don't really you know, Listless implies to me like, well,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I I hope I get hit, but if I don't,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: you know, no big deal.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I've said many times. I've used that word, but I've
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: said it many times. They come across that way, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: it is and I've said repeatedly this isn't about them
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: not caring, not wanting to win. It has nothing to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: do with that. But yes it is when things start
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to go the wrong way, and it probably is constance.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they have the confidence that we
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: can come back. I mean, if the Dodgers would have
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: extended that game to eight to four, if Freddie Freeman
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: comes up, HiT's a Grand Slam instead of what popping
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: it up? Would we have seen some of the same mannerisms.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: And it's not that I've never felt they wanted to win,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: like a lot of fans are on social media, but
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: they do come off once they're down, like the fight
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: is gone out of the dog.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree, that's how I would describe Yeah,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I think Well, think of the famous video of Tom
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Brady walking the sidelines down twenty five points and he's
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the one.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: It's like, come on, keep fighting.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Well, he's talking to some guys that could be described
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: as listless in that moment. Well, how could you be
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: listless in a Super Bowl? Well, you're getting your ass kicked,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: You're not You're feeling like, well, this is not our day.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: What you're suggesting is that when those thoughts creep in
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the fourth fifth inning, what have you?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: You still have to battle because there's a chance, like
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: maybe Vegas people would say, you know, DraftKings would say, okay,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: here's the odds that they're going to come back, and
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: you could get damn you know, long odds. But as players,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you have to, you know, fight through that lack of confidence,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: and you still got to keep gritting your teeth and
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: somehow try and fake the damn confidence because maybe something
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: will take root.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, Well, they played the Rangers scored in the
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: first inning of all four games. And then the Dodgers
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: do it again last night, and yet the response from
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Cal the way he just ran around the bases and
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: then but Cal normally runs around the bases like that,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: but when Julio did it, and there was just like
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: this stern like lockjawn, he crushed that ball about Hulio
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: played a great game last night and and different refsnighter
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: he was angry when he was running around the bases,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: not at anything else other than himself.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: For where has this been? This is who I am,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and nobody's gotten to see it this year?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: And how about that hitting the ref Sneider's home run
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: looked eight the seven eight inches above the strike zone. Uh,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: that might be an exaggeration, but it was least two
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: balls above the strike zone on a heater, and and
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: he somehow was able to turn get high on.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: It to hold the ball, and uh, you know now
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: it hits the fair pole.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: But you know whoa you know, because you know he
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: had he had Cal gets struck struck out a couple
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: of times with you know how you know that's that's
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: that heat the whole season, well the restaurant or not
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: on that that time. You know he's been taking a
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: lot of but you know, okay, picture mistake. And by
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: the way, I wasn't impressed with the Dodgers pitcher last night.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: But for him to be able to to get a
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: ball like that and jacket and pull it, I don't
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: know that that showed some bat talent to me.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I mean right there, there's they're replaying the game. There's
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Julio a run around the base. It's not the celebration,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: nothing like that. It is just this, like, this is
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: what I crushed baseballs, and I just crushed a baseball.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: This should be commonplace for me. It's just he was
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: in a different zone. The whole team was just in
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a different zone last night, all right, Coming back more
• 41:40
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