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“Digital Souls” · UNFIT FOR RADIO with JAYKERS

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_02: I have settled a debate before we start.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: What's more fascinating?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: The future of AI or working around dead bodies.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: That is an interesting question.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um just because I like both, honestly.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um AI is fun to play with, and that's the big thing now.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Dead bodies are you know.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now granted that might be a little I don't know, strange to some people.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sort of on both ends of the spectrum there, yeah.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um whatever you want to call me.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um this weirdo that looks horrible.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, I I heard you're a Halloween freak too.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Your your house for Halloween is decked out.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just a little bit so but now I I have to reel some of that back now that my other friend figure out what I can actually put.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: She might have a moment where she thinks it's real or something.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Kidding.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Unfit for Radio with Jakers, the podcast where curiosity leads to conversation.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: The stories get a little unpredictable, and somehow we always end up talking about something we probably shouldn't.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Jakers.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Ray, the sane and senior member of the duo.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: Today's episode is no exception.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: We're diving into technology, the future, and some experiences that might make you see the world a little differently.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: So buckle up, because this one's gonna be interesting.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: Today's episode brings someone new into the Unfit for Radio family, a first-time podcast guest, but definitely not someone short on stories, experiences, and unique perspectives.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: This conversation is going to be entertaining, surprising, and maybe even a little eye-opening.
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  SPEAKER_02: I first met Charles and his family through my church, and every conversation we've had has led to some fascinating topics, from the future of artificial intelligence to some pretty unique experiences involving the human body, life, death, and what even comes after.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's someone with a unique perspective, a lot of curiosity, and stories you honestly don't hear every day.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: Please welcome my friend Charles to the UFR universe.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: Charles, thank you for being here with us.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, how have you been?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, for everyone listening, tell us a little bit more about uh yourself before we jump into today's conversation.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh this is actually my first podcast ever, so it's going to be interesting to say the least.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna break the ice real quick.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just a little bit.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: But this this is good, it should be fun though.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know what to say about myself that anybody would really care about, but size no, I'm just a country boy out of Georgia, been moved to Arizona almost 30 something years ago.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I've been in the you know technology world for about just as long.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've done just about everything that's possible.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um and you know, and then I have some interesting volunteer things.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: So what kind of got you into technology at first?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: I guess because I'm uh more or less a gamer, and so I've always liked games even before they were actually a thing.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, being in school, we used to have the no, I'm on the date myself a little bit here.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: All like the massive MMOs that you see now.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Just imagine them being on the computer and text.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it's essentially you're taking um Dungeons and Dragons instead of the card game, it becomes a text-based computer game.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: That you actually do.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: So it it was that sort of piqued my interest even more into being just a gamer and just loving technology at the time.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so that's sort of how I kind of like say, hey, I could kind of make a game eventually, you know, but I need to know the basics.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's awesome.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, went to school for computers and technologies of all sorts.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, a lot of those now are dated, so had to learn new stuff, you know.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: Technology is always changing.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you have to evolve with it.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_03: What I want to say about technology is that uh data doctors is my best friend because I I really cannot operate my computer.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes I'm there three times a week, just you know, with this.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Do you seriously go there a lot?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well, some it depends.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: Do they have a membership program?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, they do.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they do.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_03: They do.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: They do.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, it's it's free.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's free.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: I pay a monthly fee so I can go and go free.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, so there's nothing wrong with that because I they just put in a new hard drive for me on my computer because I love software, I can't stand hardware.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I let someone else that has better expertise in the hardware handle my uh equipment.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_03: So oh, that's cool.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a great idea.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us a little bit about what led you into these unique areas of interest.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um it was more less as no, I kind of talked about a little earlier.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um no games, just overall electronic games.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: No Atari at the time, Genesis.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: For some of you, Atari and Genesis.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's like Atari 2600.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: I really dated myself with that one.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't find those anywhere, those type game systems anywhere.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you do, you can find them maybe if you're lucky enough somewhere on eBay or stumble across in some thrift shop somewhere.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, those are the early, early games of uh before, you know, all the nice little pixel.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they were very pixelated now if you look at them.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, technology has come a long way.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that sort of started it all.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: Started even my interest when I was a little, even a little boy playing those games.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: No Frogger and Frogger.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, you played Duck Hunt?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, actually.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like that one.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually pretty good at Duck Hunt.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: I like that.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's it was off the wall, but it was really fun.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: What technology do you think will have the biggest impact on everyday life over the next decade?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely AI.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, artificial intelligence for those that don't know what AI means.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's in everything we do, it was heck.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: AI was early on when you know you had Ask Jeeves.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was a you could theoretically say that was the early AI version of uh of Siri.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: If you think about it.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: I remember that, Ask Jeeves.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_03: I I used that a couple times back in the day.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they had a couple other spinoffs off of that too.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that would you could theoretically say that was the early, early AI.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: We just now it's just more sophisticated, no, um, with no Siri, Gemini, Chat, OpenAI, Chat T, everything, you know.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's you walk around, right?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: You walk around with a computer constantly in your pocket, on your arm.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Even now with meta, your eyewear, you know.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it it technology is everywhere.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: You can't escape it, no matter how you want to try.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, you know, you there are some old school things that you may still need, like, you know, a landline.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: But uh just for those unsolicited calls, you don't necessarily want to have.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, but no, it it's everywhere.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: Technology is everywhere, AI is everywhere, it's becoming a bigger thing.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you have your robot cars with Waymo.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think believe Tesla is trying to get into that market too.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they do they want to do their cabs.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: I saw that.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's it's everywhere you you want to escape it.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, I'm not about to take my chances with a robot uh car yet.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't get in a Waymo?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, no.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying, not trying to get.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's too many things happening happening right now that allegedly.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, well, they're putting a video now.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I know.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: I just didn't be suit.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: I know I saw I definitely saw plenty of interesting ones when I was in back in Georgia uh recently and it rained a lot.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: You saw these Waymo's, and you were I was always wondering, it's like what do they want to do?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: How would they gonna yeah, it rained all these flooded streets?
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, how does it actually know it can't go through that kind of thing?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's no it can see the obstacle if someone like uh copper or anything puts a berry up, it sees that, but no, it's just water on the road.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just gonna go through it.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: It hasn't been necessarily programmed to say, oh, to actually think, is it deep enough for me to make it?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I shouldn't be deep.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I shouldn't.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I need to find another way around.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Turn back, do a U-turn.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's some things that you just I'd rather not be the guinea pig of right now.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: So then that's right now, that's what Waymo is, is you know, just uh case study and autonomous vehicles.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you yeah, some of the vehicles we we do have now, you can let it drive for you, but you're still behind the wheel, so you can't control it.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, you still feel some you got some control.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, unlike no, there's wait a minute, you're in the back seat.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: What's gonna happen?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it goes to a he's about to hit the train.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: What you gonna do?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: What if it gets hacked?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right, exactly.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: You have no control.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've heard uh I've heard a uh one of the Waymo cases allegedly ended up in Congress, and they were saying that somebody discovered, I don't know how true it is, that they're not fully autonomous, but they are also being remote driven.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then they found out that a lot of the remote drivers that they are using were not in the country.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: So they were they had a lot of you know national security questions involving all that.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not surprised if that is the case because I haven't seen that one yet.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I'm I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's about cost, you know, they're in in some cases little smoking uh smoking mirrors where they want to they got to get the funding for and the investment money to go into their autonomous, create their autonomous vehicle because the capital, you know, they got to get it somewhere.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: So you're gonna make it look good, you know, even if it's not quote unquote fully automated.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, at least if it's close enough.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: They're not gonna question it.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: They're not gonna question it, they're not gonna look behind the curtain.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna say, oh, great, we can make money off of this, but if you actually look behind the curtain, it's like there's somebody else that's looking at a screen and all these monitors driving it with a little remote control in their hands, which would be a good job for a gamer.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, honestly.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm telling you.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and um could probably get them like some uh cheap uh teenager would do it, you know, just for practice.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Cheaply.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's it's one of the it's one of those things that yes, it's a good thing, but you also need to look underneath the hood, if you will, uh, to see if it's truly what you think it is.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um because you know, we're all it's a capitalist society.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna do what they have to to get the money for their funding of their to continue to improve.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, granted, they've Waymo's come a long way since they first started.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so they may not what you know, some of that uh controversy they had is mild compared to the leaps and bounds they've gained.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: The impact they've made, yeah.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Over the over time.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's just one of those, one of those things, you know.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, you know, it's it's all when it comes down to it, it's gonna come down to what the government is gonna allow you to do.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's true.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, this may or may not surprise you both, but when you were talking about gaming, you left me in the dust because really, yeah, believe it or not, I have never played a video game.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: I've never owned a I've never owned any at home, and I've never been to anybody's house to play any.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's all foreign to me.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: What about like a pinball machine?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: Have you played that?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, a couple times.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, that not not the home game and not the computer type.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Even pinball games have some form of AI nowadays.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've ever played pinball recently, you probably have touched AI a little bit.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't played AI in a video game.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I haven't played um pinball in years.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: So uh that was long before AI, I'm sure.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: What's something people are worried about too much and something they're not worried about enough?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a hard one, isn't it?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that's when I think what right now everybody's all about the jobs, you know.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: They think AI is gonna take their job.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And in some aspects, yeah, it might take a portion of it.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Part of yes, a part of it, you know, some of the menial tasks that anybody could do, you know, um, just for efficiency's sake.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: But you could also need to see that as the opportunity to learn a new skill to help yourself rise in that company, you know.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you're being told that, hey, my job is being taken by AI, why aren't you asking?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, what part of my job is this AI is actually gonna be doing?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, they're doing the menial stuff, but what is it not doing?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: And can I assist in that and pivot?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right, learn new skills.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not, I'm pretty sure no company is not gonna layer off because you asked that question.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: If anything, they were like, Oh, I ain't got to worry about filling this seat because whoever that's about to lose their job here can slide into this job, move more of a lateral move.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: They're still interested.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like we you still keep some of the knowledge, you don't lose the knowledge as a company.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and all that training you've done for that person to get up to speed there is like, you know, it's negligible.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, in their new position.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: They, you know, they got learning, granted, true, but they also are available for you to ask, like, hey, AI did this, but you had edit your job this way, your way seems a little bit better.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Can you help us train AI to do it your way?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: While they're still there learning a new skill, learning a new position within the company.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of a win-win all around.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Trying to stay current.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: But no one's really thinking about that.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: There's like, oh, they're taking all these jobs.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it may be, but but think about it, you know, really think about you need to gain new skills anyway.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can't just stay stale forever.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: You got to grow.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't aren't willing to grow, then that's on you.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's on you not because you're clearly being stubborn or you don't feel confident in your own skills.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: As part of evolving with the community and the society, you know, yeah.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, evolution, as I say, you know, humans, we evolve.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: Are we living through a true uh technology revolution right now?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um I wouldn't say it's a revolution because AI has been around for quite a while.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's just now it's on more on the uh forefront for public use.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: For public usage.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, the government has AI for years, just like they had internet for years until they released it to the public.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so it's the same thing here.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, AI's been around.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's just now more people can use it, more public.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's in the public sector.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: People use it more.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's literally smart people out there that takes AI and just do whatever with it, and they can figure it out, make your lives easier, make money off of it.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a tool.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Just like anything, you know, just like the tool I use, which was Google, go uh define your house.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's no, it was there.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: No, it wasn't always available to do it, no, through your maps.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: That way you had to bring break out the old book and stuff, yeah, and try to find it that way and then like and try to find the easiest route.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And if there's some obstacle, you gotta try, okay, let's go back to the book.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's just another tool that makes your life easier.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what AI is supposed to do, is make your life a little easier.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: But you can't be too complacent and not continue to learn and question certain things.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when it comes to AI, you know, you can't always rely on AI because just like any other tool, it eventually breaks.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you have to either replace it or get it repaired, whatever.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: But in that in between time, you're going back to your manual ways or whatever other alternative you were doing prior to that.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: So well, that's a surprise to me because um I did not know AI had been around a while.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: It to me, it's something I've only heard about, what, the last three years or so.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it just suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, no, that's just how it goes.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or if you even think about it, they even could sort of put it in your face when uh, like in Star Trek.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um Star Trek, you know, is all about the future.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: And in some aspects, they were sort of teasing AI.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when they talked about the computer, when you say what deck you wanted to go on, when Kirk said what deck they're gonna on.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Beat me up, Scotty.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even like next generation, if even the ones that don't know the old Star Trek, but the newer Star Trek, like Next Generation with Ricard and all those guys.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that was even closer to what you kind of see now with like Siri and Google.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can almost say computer, their computer was an early form of Siri.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, it wasn't like really doing the motion, but it that's essentially what it was doing, how it was acting.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it was sort of AI was sort of there in your face.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: You just didn't realize that's what you were looking at.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's just an early prototype.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: I read I remember like the Twilight Zone series, like the black and white uh shows.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: They uh they teased at it.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: They I mentioned before, I think to Ray in a a program where they had like the whole computer on the wall and they're they're teaching the pro the computer how to talk.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, one of the scientists in there was working with the computer apparently a little too long.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: They thought he was having a mental breakdown because now he wanted to leave his wife and his kids and start marrying and dating this computer.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: So they they sent the scientist away, like, okay, there's something wrong with this guy, and they got like four other scientists in there to work with the computer.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: The computer did the same thing to them, twisted them up, and so yeah, it was funny they were teasing about the AI program even back in the black and white days.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we've been talking about all this new stuff.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: What's one piece of technology we'll look back on and probably laugh about in 20 years or so?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Autonomous vehicles.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because hopefully by then we're in flying cars.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: We're supposed to have those already.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Jetsons said we were supposed to have those ages ago.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, yeah, but yeah, it's gonna be funny to see the ear the autonomous vehicles, the early models, you know, just like the um early cars, you know, you look back at them now, it's like, wow, and just wonder.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: They were it was a marvel back then.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's like you wonder, how did it get around to that thing?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because it shouldn't work, but it does.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: So kind of the same thing.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be the same with autonomous vehicles, because no telling how it's gonna be in 20 years or how you know it looks then, probably more vehicles because the infrastructure will actually be there, hopefully.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: That oh, less cars just go quote unquote public transportation.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's you know just another autonomous vehicle.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: So are we becoming um smarter because of technology or more dependent on it?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think that comes down to who you talk to.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: In some aspects, we're being we are dumber because we were relying on it a little too much.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um and in some aspects that you can see that in some of um as more of a generational thing, um, because a lot of the Gen Z are that's all they know is AI, computers, half of them don't really know how to type too well.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: They all doing the thumb thing on the phone.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so that that's all they do.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if you ask them to do something simple, manual, if if they look, you show them, literally show them a manual phone right now, they wouldn't know the first thing of how to do it, how it works.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: They'll look at you strange.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they would literally not know how to do a lot of things that you and I grew up doing because we didn't didn't have that.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, whatever, and just look at them strangely or look at their parents like, what you've been teaching these kids for not teaching these kids because you know this is just some basics of living life.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: But no, they're just not used to it.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so in some ways, yeah, we're definitely getting dumber because of AI.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um to reliant.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then no, in other some aspects, we're not, you know, it's just another tool that we use and just thinking of better ways to use it to make our lives easier.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just your perspective.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think technology is pushing people uh closer together or pushing people further apart?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um that one's hard to answer, honestly.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of doing a little bit both, huh?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: Because the more that we feel like we're connecting online, the more people are actually apart from each other.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Very true.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's more social media there.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that that aspect because everybody's has their uh can hide behind their words on the computer screen.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it gets nasty.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: But when you actually face to face talking, it's a totally different thing.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Then it's like, you know, you weren't talking that smack on while we were on the same courage.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, no, no, come with that same energy that you had on that on that computer, you know, talking all that name and the blank picture.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: We're face-to-face now.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now repeat what you see, right?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not that anymore.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, no, you misunderstood.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no, I understood I have read every word.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: What did I misunderstand?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, from that, yeah, definitely that aspect, yeah.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: It it we're so, so, so far.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it and in some ways, I I believe that is you know just typical.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's just the way the world works.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's just another if you look at history, people have gone come closer during some points of the of the time, and then far apart is just history repeating itself.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's what we do.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: What's the biggest misconception that people have about AI?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: I believe that goes back to the uh, you know, it's gonna take my job.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't want to beat the dead horse with that one.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is it's you know, the job is the job.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to always uh your boss always saying, you know, be efficient.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what AI is in a lot of cases, makes your job more, can make your job a little more efficient.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't necessarily lose your job, you just another tool for you to use to be more efficient, you know.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I would kind of question a little bit, you know, um why you think it's gonna take your job.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Are you just are you not truly putting forth the effort to make them think you're you know you're gonna lose your job to AI, or is there something else that you could be doing to feel a little more confident in saying, okay, I can use AI to do my job?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's yeah, it's more yeah, just try not to beat the dead ours on that one.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because we know we touched on it earlier.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: So So what excite what excites you the most about AI and what concerns you the most?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what's exciting is where AI is going to go.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um unfortunately, this is where it kind of my concern comes in a little bit is the government getting too involved.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I understand some of the cons security concerns, but what they're concerned about has been around forever.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know, what what's the problem?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: This what you're saying is the problem has been around for years.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if if you're so concerned, then why are we continuing to uh get imports in from our quote unquote enemies, but yet, you know, technology that's gonna probably help our country, you're gonna put a stop to because oh, uh we they're not giving you the control you want, or they're not doing what you wanted to do, because God forbid a company has some sort of ethics and put their foot down, it's like, no, you're not gonna use my product to do whatever you want to do.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, we we gotta put have our no, we you know, got people we're gonna be our shareholders that may not appreciate it some of the things that you want to do with our product.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: So ouch.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that and that's where the concern lies is our own government limiting the future of AI because they don't particularly like something.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Or trust it.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh true, yes.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: What's what skills should people focus on if they want to stay relevant in the AI-driven world?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um skills is well, it just depends on who you are.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people are, you know, have been in the technology realm for years.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: So they go, they're part of different forums, they read uh various articles, you know, because people uh the engineers at uh my company constantly posting about the various um uh tools and products that have been created out of AI, some more industry standards that are starting to come out.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a matter of staying on top, trying to well, attempting to stay on top of the ever-changing AI atmosphere.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um so that's what it comes down to, just constantly reading online articles, go to YouTube, listen to various podcasts, uh, look at various videos of like a lot of the industry leaders.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they have stuff out there, you just gotta read it and listen to it, you know, talk about it amongst your peers.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that will help you determine what additional skills you need, you know, besides just the basic um computer science um curriculum that you've had probably had if you have a degree.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, it's just a matter of what you've learned over years of experience.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that if I was still in the workplace, I'd have real difficulty with that, especially since I didn't grow up with computers, and I come from a whole different century.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: And um you own one, you know how to turn one on.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're not completely computer illiterate.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um the AI version added into it, which I don't even know how to use because I never have used it.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um it would, I I I think I would be lost very easily.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that and for the people like that, you know, for you people like you, Ray, it's a matter of just finding people that will are willing to walk alongside you and guide you to how to use those various AI products and like and not be afraid to ask them, hey, I don't understand this.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Can you do it again?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that would be that would be great to have somebody to help, yeah.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so that that's what it comes down to is about everybody helping everybody else that actually, because it's all new and it's scary, and a lot of people are afraid to say anything.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: For as we talked about, they're they scared of their jobs.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's a new product, people.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Ask the question.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's somebody for you, the one person that doesn't ask, there's 10 people in the same boat.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Just afraid to ask.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like just ask.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Some because if anything, they'd be appreciative.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, somebody at least took the step to ask the question.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: I need to listen now, yeah, and see and follow along because I didn't know either.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Or they just need that catalyst to say, Oh, somebody else asked a question.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, all right, I got this question.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not everybody knows everything, they all need each other with that.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this next question is a little different, and I had read something about it recently.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think that AI will ever become conscious?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I've read an uh an article where two two uh computers or two AIs were talking to each other, and it was like they made sense and they understood each other.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, huh?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, uh Charles has a story where these two uh computers started like taking over a company and ended up like locking out the whole company.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was yeah.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: This running joke at my direct that we always use is like, no, Skynet, if for those that know the Terminator, no Skynet is real, and so we're uh we're constantly saying, Yep, here we go.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a matter of time before Skynet comes rolling in uh rolling in.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but no, seriously though, it um there was I can't remember what this the company name was, but they the the problem was they had uh a routine running by their AI machine, and the AI found the uh found an issue.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: It fixed the issue, but in fixing the issue, it part of the routine was to delete stuff, and it deleted their entire database.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: There was nobody, it didn't bother to ask the question like, should I be deleting this?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: It just did it on its own.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness, and so all the this company's customers was literally locked out of their system because there was no longer a database because it was deleted, and so it caused all sorts of havoc.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: And the cut, luckily enough, the company had a backup of the database, so they just uploaded the database.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is they let AI run uh go a little while and didn't have any safeguards and it just forced it to ask questions.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: So in their routine, is like, hey, if you're gonna delete something, you better ask.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so it didn't ask because it didn't think about it, it just did it.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was just following a routine.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: We don't need this stuff.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, what?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's sort of like you're on the assembly line for years and you just automatically, you know what to do.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Don't even think about it, just do it.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden, something that's different, but you still used to just automatically doing stuff.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's essentially the same thing with the AI.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Is it gets into a routine, it just does it.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't necessarily think about it most of the time.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, it's it's going to be it from that aspect is act just like a per any person.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: You just have to eventually it's going to get to the point now there as the various models comes out, it gets smarter and smarter.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's gonna it's learning in a lot of aspects, uh, but you still need somebody to help teach it.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: But as it goes along, it's gonna learn and learn and keep learning.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Eventually, it's going to learn where you don't need to really tell it much, it's just give it a like, hey, this is my the task to do, knock yourself out, let it do its thing to figure it out.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, it's it's a matter of time.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's not sure how long it's gonna be, but it's gonna get there eventually.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you had mentioned uh guardrails, and I think that's a good thing.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: They ought to have a uh a department of guardrails or something, you know, that that puts these in, that writes it in, so to kind of you know hold it in check.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's um uh a matter of the people that's actually using the prompt in turn um for the AI because you prompt it when you ask this question.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: So the more information you give it, the more um constraints you put on it within your prompt or question, that's what is gonna follow.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it knows, like, oh, I need you put this constraint in your question.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask additional because I need to either I've run into that constraint and I need to get more information on if I need to ignore this constraint or go a different direction.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just a matter of the person, which is where a lot of times you can't necessarily lose your job because you need somebody there to watch it, you know, similar to early Waymo.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: There was uh somebody in the uh either behind the wheel or in the passenger seat of the Waymo until it learned.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing here.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing here.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, granted, you know, it's gonna still have its human uh human failings, you know.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna forget to uh put something in we need it to, or some instruction and say, hey, um, yeah, my bad.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: And move on.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, AI is not is gonna say it after you call them out on it, but it's not gonna do it automatically.
• 37:22
  unknown: That's crazy.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, um, realistically, where do you think AI will be in 10 years?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um years.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: 10 years will be here before I know it.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um you definitely should if no the trajectory of the way it is now um keeps going.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: I would say AI is going to be in everything and everywhere.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um a lot of the um front like hotels, unless you're in some like five-star thing, it's gonna be AI run.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty much you're already seeing it with the kiosk in uh a lot of the fast food industry now that you know they don't really have somebody up front per se.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you put it in the kiosk and wait for your order.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now you work there.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: For free.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's very true.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and so, yeah, you're gonna see you see AI everywhere.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's you're not gonna, there's not gonna be a person unless there's some problem, then some there's gonna be that one, two people there to try to solve that problem, but they have to do something manual.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, yeah, it's all AI everywhere.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: Everything.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: So you mentioned fast food.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think that we'll ever get to the point where you go to the kiosk, put in your order, and then some a machine in the back makes it and brings it to the front.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: And we won't really have it.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: Some of those, those robotic arms that flip the burgers and stuff like that.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've read about it.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they got that.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they kind of already have that in Japan.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, where you can just they're advanced.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: Japan is way far advanced in terms of their robotics.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, you already got examples there exactly there where they have robot doing it all in essentially, you know, go up to your the um like more or less vending machine, put in whatever order you want, wait and then wait for your order to come out, and it's all in the machine.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, no people, no personal interaction.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, no, the only part interaction a person would have is to reload the ingredients.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, service the machine, put more hydraulic fluid in there.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, do you think technology is actually changing the way we understand what it means to be human?
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: That is wow.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's I know deep.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a question for a lot of philosophers right there.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because you know that that the question of what is actually being human comes into play.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like what do you consider something um alive as breathing in in it a uh air?
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is that considered?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Being a part of being a human, uh being able to think love, have the emotions, etc.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Being part of a human.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can pretty much program that into AI.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: Except for maybe do like some fake iron lung or thing or something to quote unquote for it to breathe.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, um so yeah, that's a that's a tough question because of the fact that, you know, there's no, I guess, right or wrong answer for what is being truly being human.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because you can't there's a lot of you know, people would say there's a lot of machines that could look and act human.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_02: But they're not.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: But they're really not.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they can't recreate humans.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they can't well, they can't replicate uh living body per whatever you want to call it.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: They can't make a baby, yeah.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it can't make a baby, but it can replicate itself or another create another program, uh, etc.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: So again, you come it's another philosophy, you know.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's what what do you consider living?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I saw some video recently on the news about um I've seen these robots and they walk almost like humans.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then I saw one running, and then I saw one the other day that was like doing kickboxing.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, what?
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_03: And it didn't even tip over.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: So that yeah, so it's getting they're getting more and more human all the time.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yeah.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: One just finished a marathon not too long ago that was interesting that actually breat uh beat, I believe it beat the world record of this for this marathon.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't that it was necessarily fast, but it was fast enough that you know people were still you know passing it and all this sort of stuff, but it be a uh record all the same.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's they're they're there.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's getting there to be where eventually I I think honestly from that standpoint, there'd be a lot of that'll be kind of for the indust, uh, a lot of manufacturing and stuff like that to have and warehouses to have robots doing that.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think other for people that'll probably you'll be starting seeing more like maybe cybernetics, um you know, replacing people's limbs and stuff like that.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's trying to surgeries and stuff like that.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, that would be cool.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: I I could see a I could see a need for that.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that would be, I would think, would be a good practical application right now from uh from a quote unquote human standpoint aspect of it is with AI is to help with people that have like prosthetics but be more robotic so they can have more of a a fuller life.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: Not saying that they're not having a full life now, but still it would just make probably things a little easier for them.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: We've talked about uh technology, the future, and where humanity is going.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: But one thing that never changes is that every person has a beginning and an end.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: That leads into something that I think a lot of people are curious about.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_03: Your work volunteering with the deceased.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_03: That sounds interesting.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, we do I need rubber gloves for this conversation?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: A mask.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: What do I need?
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, dealing with the dead.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's more of me.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um when they would when you say talk dealing with the dead, it's more of.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: I volunteered with the medical examiner's office.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Which people didn't realize that was a thing.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's a thing.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because I didn't, yeah, because I didn't know it was a thing until they became until I actually asked somebody that was in the medical examiner's office that came out to a scene I was with with another volunteer thing I was doing.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: See, ask questions.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so it it sort of spun into that sounds cool.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: How do I go about volunteering?
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then I just went ahead and filled out the application.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: And there is a wait list to volunteer for the medical examiner.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's people that want to guess the dead on a wait list.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was on that, yeah, on the wait list for three years.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I literally forgot.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: I even until they called me one day.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, hey, so we got an opening for volunteer.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Did you were you still interested?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, volunteer what?
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so that it threw me off because I totally forgot about it.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: And they were like, yeah, we got an opening.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, great, cool.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: What uh what I need to do?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, we did a like an interview over the phone with HR.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um then I had another second interview with uh my supervisor now about it, and that was cool, fine, uh, fine, because a lot of what I was bringing to the volunteer as medical examiner was basically a lot of information, uh lot of experience I had when I was volunteering um with the Glendale Fire Department.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: So that helped out a lot from that standpoint.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so they were like, cool, here's you know, we have an orange.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is orientation here.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is your what you need to uh requirements in terms of what you need.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like there was like a list of shots I needed to get and by a certain time.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so I've got all these various shots for all these various diseases.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, really?
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: You had to get vaccinated to work with them?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: You have to, and you probably you know, based off of what I've seen, you definitely want to.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you definitely want to.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you don't, you're just ridiculously dumb.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um so can you get into some stories?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, actually, yeah, there's there's quite a few stories.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Let's hear some of them.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't know if people realize that, but in Arizona, if you if a person dies unattended, meaning they're not in like in a hospital or anything like that, yeah.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: They or it's something really expected, then there's a quote unquote investigation that has to be done by uh the pretty much the uh police.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so um the police come, you know, you you know, you're like your grandma, grandma, brother, sister, whatever, dies.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: No one was necessarily around.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: They saw him like at three that afternoon, but hadn't heard from him the next morning.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: They have to investigate, make sure no foul play.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: All that good stuff.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so they literally call medical examiner's office, like say, hey, we got this person.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: They don't look like no got into drugs or anything like that.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: We don't see anything around, no problems.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they do an initial, they would have an investigations department, which is where I am, where I volunteer, and they do sort of in a preliminary lookup medical history and stuff like that, just to see if this was something that might have been expected, if they have like a big history or medical problems that might have contributed to the death, things of that nature.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: So if there's nothing that's really obvious, then we go out to the um wherever that body is, essentially take pictures of the of the surrounding area, get all the information from like family, friends that are happening to be on the scene, um information from the PD, and essentially take pictures of the body and the current position, um, various other positions um because we're gonna literally bring the body back into the medical examiner's office, and that's where the uh coroner or medical examiner will do the autopsy and all that good stuff.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: And pathologists and all that good stuff.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's pretty much what it is in a nutshell, per se.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've left out some stuff, but just to keep it basic, yeah, that's an roundabout way of of what I do.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um sponsor fun stories.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say necessarily anything disgusting or like wow, I can't believe I signed myself up for this one.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um the biggest the one thing okay let's do it.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, for those that don't know, if you are the one thing I I hate is what we call soup.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's literally someone that dies in their bathtub in water.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh after a certain amount of time that the fluids and everything went down, and so it literally looks like oh and so yeah, I hate that.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: So soupy bodies, yes, I hate that.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: And when they start, you know, it's amazing about no decomp that's one of those smells that you can't mistake it for any other smell.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: How long does it usually take for that to start setting in?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: It depends on the temperature and the environment.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, like if someone was dieting now, it wouldn't take long for that body to start breaking down.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it those are it's those are some interesting ones because you get them in various states of decay.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because a lot of the uh fluids and everything start bubbling out, and so you you gotta be careful not to pop those bubbles because you'll get all that fluid on you.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: The gas and everything, yeah.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, oh, the gas is coming.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's just part of it.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, how sorry, didn't we jump the gun?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how many times I've gotten uh I call it death gas in the face.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, because the moment you move the body, it's like popping the cork.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: It just comes right.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you're not careful, it just I've heard I've heard it's a certain smell too.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it is.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: It definitely is.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: You can't, it's just you can't mistake it ever.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing about no decomposing body.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because once you get the smell on you, it's there for however long it takes.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like a scum.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like a scum.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, because it's stuck in your nose, you think it's gone.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's still there.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: You you smell in everything.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: Your senses are your your smell is is messed up the rest of the day.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, a lot of the some of the bodies are things are just sad because a lot of people, it's amazing how people just forget about you know each other.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh especially family, which is crazy to me.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: That you know, you don't you don't talk to your family for weeks and months, weeks and months.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, at least talk to them once a week, you know, make sure to check in.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, some people be in their house, you know, just deceased for weeks.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: Their power got shut off.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not even a matter of their power is set off, it's just a matter of no what's checked on because there's nobody and the neighbors it's like you are the smell so bad it's outside the house.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that's too late by that time.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's yeah, it's too late by that time, but it's like, why haven't you uh you know you smell that, don't you?
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can at least call as like say, hey, I don't know.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: Can you go check or whatever, you know, especially if you know your neighbor doesn't have anybody.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, you haven't seen nobody all day.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't seen them in a while.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a little bit of you know uh, I guess more on society as a whole, where we know we don't know each other, we don't talk to our neighbors or anything like that.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it's sad.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, and it's like if you know you even if it's just like say, hey, how you doing, and you know they come out every now and then, you see them, yeah, at least you know they're no alive, kicking or whatever.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Then you can start maybe questioning if you don't see them like you think you should, because they've no everybody has a pattern.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're gonna see them at least once a week, once a day, or whatever.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: Just the nature of no being people and neighbors, you're gonna see.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you don't see them after a while, it's like, okay, is something going on?
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: You may start like wanting to look, you know, get a little like go knock on the doors, like just to say, hey, people haven't seen you, you know, haven't seen you in a while.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, even if they are, you know, they're fine.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey, I haven't seen you around and style that chick on you.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's sad.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: Be curious.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the one thing that uh surprises me most about what you just said was that there's a waiting list for people to do this.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's like there is no way I would sign up for this.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: I just I I I've um I have feral cats in my yard, and I've had some that pass away back there.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: And you like you say, you can't miss the spell, and then I gotta go out and bury them someplace, and it's like that was just a cat, and that was rough.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: I I couldn't I couldn't handle her with the with a person, a human.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that no, I couldn't do that.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, we've been on scenes.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I've been on scenes where no, they uh the pets have that too, because they had no food, no way to get water.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody was there, yeah.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody was there, and that's uh you know, and in some ass cases, they would hunger so much they eat the person.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, sometimes the I believe the pets are also heartbroken and they pass along with the yeah, but the eating the oh char.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, you know, it's you know, it's it's that's I wanted some stories.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's the wow, you know.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now they're going back to nature, you know.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: You see it, see a dead car, can you eat it?
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_02: So most of the calls that you get, is it because of um basically the older ones that pass on, or do you like actually go to murder scenes and some of those like shootings and crime scenes, all the above age, motorcycle accidents?
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: All of the above.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, gone.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: I've gone to homicides, I've gone to fires, I've gone to accidents.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh unfortunately, uh for uh Arizona, a lot of death is around uh drugs, OD, a lot of overdoses, way too many overdoses, even overdoses people that I wouldn't think would appear like they should be on drugs, but they they are.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know, and because I look around what they have, it's like, why would you sacrifice all this?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, just for eyes.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I don't get it, I don't understand it.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Did it start happening more recently, like with the fentanyl crisis, or has it always been happening over the last, you know, many years?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's just uh uh in an increase.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think fentanyl is just more of a catalyst of bringing that to the forefront.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's always been there, but fentanyl has just increased it and well helped with the increase as well as brought it to the forefront of people like, oh yeah, they died because of fentanyl.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: They died because of like all those ODs weren't because of fentanyl.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: There was other drugs that contributed that contributed, but you we talk more about fentanyl.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I have a question.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um you say you've been to all types of um scenes.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_03: Have you ever gotten to a scene and seen somebody you know?
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't done that yet.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm waiting for that day to happen.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: How do you think that you would react and perceive it?
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think that you would keep your profession, or do you think that it might hit a little closer to high?
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: I I do honestly, I don't know.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I haven't had it happen yet, so I really don't know.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I'm I'm I'm hoping, you know, I'm telling myself I'm gonna be professional about it, but I don't know until that happens.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: So um we shall see.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: I've um off offline, I've talked to your wife about uh something that happened to me previously, uh many, many years ago.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I believe, still to this day, I believe you're on that call because you um apparently did some work with the Glendale fire department.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: And this was like maybe 10 years ago or so.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: But um this was a long time ago.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_02: My uh my elder elderly aunt at my parents' house had uh incident where she was vomiting profusely, uncontrollably, and it it looked like she was, you know, checked out for a little bit.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the fire department came, and still to this day I remember somebody like you in my house that just like sat back, observed, and like kind of talked to the family and kept calm.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, um, and I I've talked to your wife about that.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, you know, it's probably Charles that was possibly there.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so over over time I wanted to talk to you about that, but I don't think there's ever a way to prove it.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's been so long ago and stuff like that.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it was one of those things I was like, oh wow, he does that because I remember seeing somebody just like you, like you know, doing those same things.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it could have been because I've I volunteered with the uh fire department for like 12 years, and so it yeah, it could have definitely been early on uh when I was with them.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_02: So um but yeah, just uh she didn't die or nothing.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she it was just you know, uh somebody like you was there counseling the family, like it's gonna be okay, they're gonna take her to the hospital, yada yada yada.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is probably and me, it probably would have been.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess it depends.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I generally worked if it happened on a weekend, then yeah, then it probably was because that's when I generally did my volunteering was on weekends.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I could I couldn't tell you what the day um during the week that could have been someone else.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that's cool.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: I just yeah, from your work, I was like, wow, it just it made so much sense.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because I was like, wow, I've I've actually seen and and felt that experience.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_03: So, Charles, what has this work taught you about how people should live?
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: What that's good.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, that is how people should live.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: That is the question.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: Besides what it's taught me was or is however you want to phrase it, um it taught me that people should you know not necessarily love one another, but at least be cordial.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, to be, you know, friendly to a point, you know.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it what does it take to just say hi to somebody, raise your hand like just wave at them.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: How you doing today?
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: Or something, yeah, you know.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, do do the proverbial hit nide or whatever.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um that is something you don't see a lot of.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um it makes you it's made you think about your own um family, the way you carry yourself.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, for me, how I carry myself every day is like, do I acknowledge the other person?
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: Do I, you know, this traffic in Arizona is crazy, you know.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: I try not to blow my horn or anything like that.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: Road rage, yeah.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: Road rage out here is crazy.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, it's definitely crazy.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: People get shot every day.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and so I look at myself as like, okay, I tr don't want to be that person.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying not to be that person, I'm trying to be better.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: Set the example, more or less.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, this is the way I want to be treated.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna treat you the way I would want to be treated.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, that old adage, you know.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's good, Charles.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's great.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh how you want how you want to be treated every day, you know.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like say, hey, don't just ignore me.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just no.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um We're all in this together.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we are.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: Especially this day and age, you know, we all are, you know, we all some are just at different layers, you know.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, you know, we're all feeling the same pain, you know, you know, at different degrees, but it's still pain.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if it's a matter of simple helping alleviate that pain uh just a little bit by being friendly, like saying, hey, you know, how you doing?
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because I I because this is the one thing my wife always keeps telling me is like, no, you got that uh friendly and informational face because people just strangers just come up to me and just start talking to me or even ask me stuff.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I have like I don't know you, I'm not sure why you're asking me this, but okay, let me see if I can answer your question.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure why, but hey, I'm I'm just gonna go with it.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's you know, I don't go to intimidate anybody because clearly I don't because you just come up to me.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: You come up to me, Mary.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_00: Essentially, and so that that's kind of how I think you know people should be, yeah.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_02: Has it changed how you think about family relationships and and legacy?
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: The working with dead people.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: It does a little bit, you know.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's it makes me think, because ironically enough, this is where I think AI comes into play.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's where you can get gather your family tree, use AI to find those branches of your tree, you know.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: You may not know, yeah.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: You never know who it may all end up being because you don't, you know, all your family scatters, yeah, you know, eventually.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's just use, you know, AI, and so to help bring that family back closer together in a digital platform, more or less.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, because you you know, seeing death all the time, you start thinking about your own life and what you want to do and how to make things easier for those you may leave behind.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um because there's always questions.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's always questions like why people constantly ask them like, why did this happen?
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: Why um why didn't I check on that person?
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: Why didn't I do that more often?
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: It makes you start thinking about okay, uh, am I doing the right thing when it comes to my family?
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: Am I checking on them like I should?
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_00: Am I at least staying in contact or have their contact information if I need to?
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like just for whatever reason, something, little voices that you know, you might want to check on that person.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: They may be in some sort of crisis, or just no, just say, hey, I haven't talked to you in a little while.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how's things?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: How's life?
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, may not be nothing I can really do about it, but at least I can be that sounding board for a little bit.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, you rely on those gut feelings to to check on each other for sure.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I've got an interesting question for you.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_03: I said you've worked around technology, you've dealt with AI and death.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_03: Now, what do these three subjects have in common?
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_03: Charles.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I'm the center of it all.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um wow.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um it all has a human element to it, it you know, in some form, shape, form, or fashion, you know, because AI, you need a human to ask a question, program it to help learn before it learned.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, no, no.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and death, you know, it's the same thing.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, human for the death.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you do.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, it's also about your human family, your human associates, your human friends.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's just it's all comes down to the human element.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think technology changes how we how people think about mortality?
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: I would say yes.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because it goes back to that AI, the comment I made about AI, you know, and your family tree.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because look at, you know, there's I'm not sure if you guys have used like 23 or me and Ancestry.com.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh family has, yeah.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's you know, technology.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_00: You some aspect of AI, you're trying to gather gather.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: Your uh family history, um learn about cousins you never knew you had or might be part of.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um I didn't know I was related to that president, you know.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_00: It might be some offshoot of somebody from somebody else down the line somewhere, but you know, still sort of there.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: It it it's all um the same.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's your your legacy is captured in one form or another, you know, whether it be physical, metaphysical, or technical.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: Technological, rather.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_03: So um, do you think that AI could help preserve a person's legacy after they're gone?
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_03: And should there be any kind of limits on that?
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um AI is kind of already doing it in a way.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: When you when I talk about um like ancestry um 23andMe ish um that's using technology to capture your legacy.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's you know, it's as limited as you want it to be, or as much money you want to put into it, um, because you know like I know I got a friend who um did ancestry and I've actually um been contacted by a couple of people off there that are part of the family tree down the line that I knew nothing about.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I know, interesting, right?
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's really cool.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so um there's additional stuff I could probably go further if I paid whatever their price is on SHS tree.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's my information.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_02: Give it to me.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: If I if I wanted to go that go that far, but it's like I'm fine with what I have.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need any for more.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: I got enough information that I can know.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: I see where my roots are, I see where how far it goes, uh where it's from and stuff like that.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fine with that.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: No, if I wanted to go deeper, yeah, I'll pay the money.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's it's no your ancestry through or legacy through technology is as limited as you make it.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it can be as great or as limited.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_00: It just depends on what you want to do.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen a few things um based upon that question uh that Ray just asked.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh for one, I saw like there's these apps that make it where if you're still alive and say you know that you know time your time is coming.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like you know that you know you don't have a lot of time ahead of you.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: So they have these apps where you can download and you can start taking like your visual videos of yourself, and they do like a couple of videos a day of you telling a story, and then once pass on that um image legacy uh digital profile.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, your kids, grandkids, your family has access to to, you know, what did grandma think about tomatoes?
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, she she can look up and say, Well, tomatoes was my favorite thing.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_02: I used to grow them in my backyard, like you know, and her from her own voice, her own imagery telling something.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so AI has um capabilities of doing that right now.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen, and you can make what you want of that on should there be limits.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_02: But then the other fascinating thing that I saw was so that's AI being used in somebody's legacy while they're living.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: But then I saw somebody using AI for somebody's legacy without their permission once they've already passed, and I'll explain that.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: It was a court case that recently happened, and it was a road rage incident, funny to say, because we were just talking about road rage.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_02: So there was apparently a road rage incident, and one man apparently, you know, shot and killed the other man during the incident.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um ended up in court trial.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the trial, the family presented a video during the victim's impact statement at the end because the family can, you know, present almost whatever they want during the impact statements.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so the family, I don't know how, but they got you know permission to air this video, and it's of the deceased individual who got shot and killed by the person in court, allegedly.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the video made everybody in the courtroom in tears, even the judge.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um it came from the perspective of the family created of the victim, and he was like, you know, normally we wouldn't meet under these circumstances, and I'm sorry for you know the impact that I caused, and um I forgive you, and I know that you normally wouldn't do something like this.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was very, like, very touching and meaningful.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously, it was not in the own victim's words, it was in the family's words and stuff, but yeah, it's just weird that we have the power to do some of those things even after somebody dies.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: We're still we have the power to use them, and that's just it's a little creepy talking about.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, you can use technology however you want.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's no, if you have the image, you can mess with it, you can have AI do whatever you want and insert it wherever.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I think that comes down to um a lot of personal choice as well as you know just your morality about it, you know.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you feel like in that case, the family felt it would be meaning more of an impact if the victim was there, was there, you know, saying that he if he's that type of if they know him well enough to say, oh, he would have forgiven you, great, you know.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know how much of an impact it would have had.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna have sound like it might have had a big impact on maybe the judgment and then maybe uh at his uh person sentencing.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um but that that kind of thing, uh I guess you that would be more of a I would say a case by case.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how it's used.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_00: How it how it's used because you know, people have used AI in ways that shouldn't be, just from a moral standpoint, you know, because there's a lot of creeps out there that you know that would take AI and just do what you know is just we would think just disgusting and just ridiculous.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_00: And if I saw you in the in the alley, we would have some words.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so it it's one of those things that you know there, you know, it's the thing about the country, this country is no, you your freedom to do what you want, but also You're not just because you got the freedom to do what you want, there's for you.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're not free, you yeah, you're not free from the consequences.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so um I think a lot of people forget that the fact that, you know, yeah, you can do what you want to do, but you know, there's gonna be consequences one way or the other, and be prepared.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_02: So like Morgan Freeman uh just ended up in a case because um, like online, if you're on Instagram or TikTok or whatever, a lot of people was using his voice and his imaging to tell stories or to tell their posts or whatever, and it sounded like he he was really doing it, and he got a hold of all that and was like, hey, this isn't me, and I don't like this, and I want this to stop.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_02: And apparently, you know, to court and everything, and yeah, you have to look into that, but no.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_02: What does the future of humanity look like?
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you want to answer this, you can skip it.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Look like for you.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: What's the what does the future of humanity look like for you to you um the future of humanity?
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_02: We're getting crazier and crazier.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_02: I know that.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: So honestly, I can't I can't predict.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, I can't predict because what I would predict the way it is today, I wouldn't have.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_00: I honestly wouldn't have.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I can't say what the future of humanity is.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um it gotcha.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's all I can do is you know just leave it in certain hands to uh, you know, God's hands to like say, hey, no, do it that says you will, because I don't understand what's happening.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have one of those AI crystal ball uh eight ball things that you just flip over to tells you what's going on.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, if I had one of those, I would be um have won the lottery a few different times in a few different states.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_03: Is there anything that gives you hope about the future?
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_03: And uh what worries you the most with AI or knowing about the things you do with dead people?
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: I would I guess my hope is for the younger generation to not repeat a lot of the mistakes of the past or present, um and just you know go the opposite, you know, because there's just way too much of history repeating itself currently, and it's like okay, and it's happening because of all the older generation is not learning from the past.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's my hope is that the younger generation actually learns from the past and the present so they don't keep repeating it.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a it's a vicious cycle that we need to stop, honestly.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: But the thing about that is there's so much uh polluted airways that you for for some young folks that you don't know what to believe.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, because true enough you hear this big well news organization is you're supposed to trust, and then they tell you something that you find out you're not supposed to trust, and then you question everything.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, well, then where am I supposed to even get my news from?
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's fair assessment.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's definitely fair.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's it is tough, honestly, and it's sad that it's like that now.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's that's where their own tech savvy comes into play.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_00: They have to do the research, do the lick work.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you already on your phone, just look at several sources, don't rely on just one.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Go to the various sources, and if they're all saying the same thing, then there you go.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_00: You can trust that.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_00: If they're saying something different, then okay, you might want to question it and do more research on it to see what is actually the fact.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's just like with a story, there's always two sides to a story.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_00: The truth is in the middle, yeah.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's well what I heard diversion is there's three sides.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_02: There's their side, there's their side, and then there's the truth.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_02: So, Charles, we love to ask everyone this signature question.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_02: If you could ask God one question, what what do you think you would ask him?
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_02: What would it be?
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think my question would be um, and I think everybody asked probably with ads this question, guys.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you allow the things that you do, especially the the evil and the violence in the world?
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_00: Why what is the what is the true purpose of that?
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know it's about you know people have to suffer to get to the to the truth to the better to better to better themselves to get into a better world.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_00: But why do so many have to suffer?
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Especially because of maybe one or a few people, you know.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's like why why would you allow that?
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_00: What's what am I missing?
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing here that I'm not noticing?
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because clearly I I I don't understand, which is why I'm asking you the question.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I don't, I don't get it.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm missing it.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm missing it.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's my own ignorance, then I don't get point me in the direction for me not to be as ignorant, you know.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_02: I like that.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_02: All right, Charles.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_02: We like to give everyone their spotlight time.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Take 36-ish to plug whatever you want.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Your projects, links, fam, social shout-outs, whatever you want, go for it.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I guess I guess I need to shout out my wife, Christine.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_00: She she started this whole uh pod podcast journey from her standpoint.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's got me all interested.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_00: She influenced you.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, she did.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, because it's one of those things that you know you think about wanting to do, but just like, I don't know what that all entails, how much work is it involved.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um It wasn't that bad, was it?
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it wasn't.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not at all.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Good job, Christine.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, folks, that's a wrap on episode 40, Digital Souls.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_03: A huge thank you to Charles for joining us and sharing his stories, experiences, and perspective with the UFR family.
• 1:19:46
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• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_03: And let's just say things might get a little weird, a little wild, and possibly involve a few loose screws.
• 1:19:59
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• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_03: Producer, Ray! Hey, yeah, that's me.
• 1:21:06
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• 1:21:08
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• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Charles, it wasn't so bad, was it?
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Would you consider coming back and hanging out with us in the future?
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, anytime.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome! Well, please remember, if you can't find the good, then be the good.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Until next time.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Peace! Bye.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_02: Later.