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Chuck & Buck 3-5 Hour 2: 12th Man News with Gregg Bell, remembering Lou Holtz and what's next for Murray? · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 2: Top montor shot, knockdown.
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Speaker 1: And fuck hold for loose, fuck them a crack and
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Speaker 1: can't bury it. Fifteen to go on the cracking power play.
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Speaker 2: Here's Everly on the left wing side, Everly to the corner,
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Speaker 2: Steven said, send.
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Speaker 1: Us a pass, afflect it back to the air side.
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Speaker 1: Poor Vinceton. Five well the power play to go nine
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Speaker 1: in the period.
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Speaker 2: This is McCann what topo tors shots had a big
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Speaker 1: The Kraken had won two straight games, but obviously cannot
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Speaker 1: solve the Saint Lewis Blues, one of the worst teams
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Speaker 1: in the NHL, one of the teams that has declared
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Speaker 1: we are definite sellers at the trading deadline tomorrow and
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Speaker 1: yet since the resumption of the season following the Olympic break,
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Speaker 1: they've lost two games out of five to the Saint
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Speaker 1: Louis Blues, and so another loss to the Blue Note
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Speaker 1: yesterday by a final score of three to two. I
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Speaker 1: guess this is how you solve it. You just stealed
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Speaker 1: their best player before the NHL trade deadline tomorrow. That works.
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Speaker 1: Robert Thomas scored a goal last night.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when he did it, I was like, all right,
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Speaker 3: if you're going to do that, you better do it
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Speaker 3: when you come play for us too.
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Speaker 1: Think about if he'd have scored a goal for us.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that would have changed the outcome would
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Speaker 2: have been really al wouldn't have got one for them,
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Speaker 2: but would have got one for us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mas talking to it. Yeah, come on, Bottrel, wake up.
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Speaker 4: Anybody could have seen that coming.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Minus one from them plus one for us.
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Speaker 1: That's a win.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we missed that, really, Blue Jason Jason.
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Speaker 1: NHL trade dead line is tomorrow. We'll talk more about
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Speaker 1: it later on in the show. Sounders will be taking
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Speaker 1: on Saint Louis this Saturday, a different Saint Louis team.
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Speaker 4: It won't be the Blues.
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Speaker 1: Six thirty will be the start of that match. As
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Speaker 1: the Sounders off to a one and to start college basketball,
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Speaker 1: U doub one over USC ninety one to seventy two
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Speaker 1: last night. What a game for Hans Steinbach as he
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Speaker 1: scored twenty two points and grabbed twenty four rebounds. As
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Speaker 1: Spencer Hawes told us last week, what's really frustrating is
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Speaker 1: how good a season he's having, and yet the team
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Speaker 1: sits there at five hundred, fifteen and fifteen on the year.
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Speaker 1: Their regular season finale is coming up Saturday in Eugene
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Speaker 1: against the Ducks and they'll tip at eight o'clock and
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Speaker 1: then conference championships will start. The college the Big Ten
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Speaker 1: Tournament will start. Mariners spring training nine to four loss
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Speaker 1: to San Francisco yesterday, they'll play at noon against San
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Speaker 1: Diego and that game is going to be on MLB Network.
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Speaker 1: From what I understand, the WBC is underway, even though
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Speaker 1: the US is still playing tune ups. They tuned up
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Speaker 1: Colorado yesterday fourteen to four the final score. They will
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Speaker 1: play their first WVC matchup Friday against Brazil. I believe
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Speaker 1: that is at five o'clock your first pitch, And of
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Speaker 1: course the big stories NFL Free agency is just four
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Speaker 1: days away. Yesterday news that maybe Rashid shah Heed's asking
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Speaker 1: price is going to be way too high for the
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Speaker 1: Seahawks liking. Let's discuss it with our Seahawks insider, Greg Bell.
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Speaker 4: With the Bell tolls.
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Speaker 5: Now with twelk Man News, here's Greg Bell with Chuck
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Speaker 5: and Budd.
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Speaker 1: I should also mention part of the headlines GEESEA State
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Speaker 1: Championships and Tacoma this weekend, and Greg Bell's going to
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Speaker 1: be a part of that. He's got play by play duties.
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Speaker 1: Which night is it again that you're doing that?
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Speaker 4: Thanks Friday night?
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Speaker 6: The three A Boys semi final, the second one, Mike
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Speaker 6: Bennon's doing the first one at about five point forty
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Speaker 6: five of the second one.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, there you go. Greg Bell on the call,
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Speaker 1: Mike Benton on the call. State Championships this weekend in Tacoma.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's talk about Rashid Shaheed. So what
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Speaker 1: kind of merit do you attach to this story yesterday
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Speaker 1: that he and his agent are asking way more than
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are willing to give.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's probably true because if it came from the agent,
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Speaker 6: he's trying to drum up business from the rest of
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Speaker 6: the league, and agent's mindset would be, we're going to
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Speaker 6: deal with the Seahawks. Yet we want to get to
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Speaker 6: market and see what shopping does on the open market,
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Speaker 6: which is of course the opposite of what the Seahawks.
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Speaker 6: Weren't a situation like this, Some more suitors, the higher
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Speaker 6: the price goes up, so I put credence into that.
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Speaker 6: I also know this, we are seeing in real time.
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Speaker 6: The Seahawks are staying in real time the cost of
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Speaker 6: winning a Super Bowl in the inflation of winning the
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Speaker 6: Super Bowl. And Rashid Shaheed was not worth eighteen million
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Speaker 6: dollars a month ago, and Kenneth Walker wasn't worth fourteen
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Speaker 6: million dollars a month ago or even two months ago,
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Speaker 6: but they went on a world stage. Think about it,
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Speaker 6: when Shahid and when she had returned that kickoff to
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Speaker 6: start the divisional playoff game, When Walker went for one
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Speaker 6: hundred and thirty five yards in the Super Bowl and
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Speaker 6: became the MVP, the whole league was watching. They weren't playing.
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Speaker 6: The personnel and cap guys and gms of other teams
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Speaker 6: weren't playing their games. At the same time, the Seiks
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Speaker 6: were playing Theirs, and the Seahorwks weren't on some regional
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Speaker 6: Fox broadcast. The whole two hundred million people were watching
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Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker become Super Bowl MVP, including every GM in
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Speaker 6: the league so they can see live. Hey, I could
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Speaker 6: use him on our back. Wait, this guy's contract end.
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Speaker 6: So wait he's twenty.
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Speaker 4: Five years old.
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Speaker 6: Wait shaheit, he's returning kicks for touchdowns and playoff games.
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Speaker 6: His contracts up too. Oh, and that's what we're seeing
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Speaker 6: is that your team gets to the Super Bowl. We've
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Speaker 6: talked about.
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Speaker 4: Him many times.
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Speaker 6: The league regulates against teams getting back to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 6: It's rare. That's why what New England has done with
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Speaker 6: Kansas City has done for the last five years until
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Speaker 6: this past season is remarkable because the league just doesn't
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Speaker 6: want you to do it. The salary cap is hard.
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Speaker 6: They have a minimum cash The teams have to play
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Speaker 6: out every year, so you can't just stockpile your money
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Speaker 6: and throw it into one season. It's very difficult to
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Speaker 6: retain everybody who gets you there. But now having said
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Speaker 6: all this, guy, the angst that you listeners out there
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Speaker 6: may be hearing and thinking and you want to drive
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Speaker 6: off the road because she heat and Walker may walk.
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Speaker 6: This time last year, people wanted to fire John Schneider
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Speaker 6: because he just traded Jeno Smith and DK Metcalf and
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Speaker 6: signed Sam Darnold, and that worked out pretty well. As
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Speaker 6: I mentioned yesterday, he's got a track record of sixteen
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Speaker 6: now going on seventeen off seasons that he knows what
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Speaker 6: the hell he's doing, and he had money.
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Speaker 7: Slotted, plans slotted for these guys, and when conditions change
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Speaker 7: and drive their price up. It has been John Schneider's
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Speaker 7: habit that he doesn't go chase that escalation and he
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Speaker 7: stays disciplined to no.
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Speaker 6: This is our plan. This is how much money we
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Speaker 6: are willing to commit because we want to do this
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Speaker 6: and this too, and this and this this year is
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Speaker 6: among other things, Jackson Smith and Jigwit and Devin Witherspoon,
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Speaker 6: extensions who else they may want to sign in free
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Speaker 6: agency and here's another thing, guys. There's nothing else to
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Speaker 6: win right now. So for fans, there's no games, there's
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Speaker 6: nothing that the Seahawks can do other than watch other
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Speaker 6: teams sign their guys, and so the sense is we're losing. Well,
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Speaker 6: there is nothing else going on in NFL right now.
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Speaker 6: Teams don't win super Bowls through free agency. The history
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Speaker 6: shows the teams that will spend the most money to
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Speaker 6: buy the most veteran players on the free agent market
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Speaker 6: do not win that way. There are upticks, and there's
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Speaker 6: sometimes there's fixes to a certain position because of such signings,
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Speaker 6: but by and large you win by making smart draft
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Speaker 6: moves and deaf trades and buying cheap, relatively cheap free
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Speaker 6: agents that everybody else overlooked. The Marcus Lawrence. So I
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Speaker 6: understand the flash and dash of this time of year
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Speaker 6: and the frustration that fans must feel that the Super
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Speaker 6: Bowl MVP and a Pro Bowl kick returner may be
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Speaker 6: walking out the door. But it's just a discipline piece
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Speaker 6: that John Schneider and his staff have decided to stick to.
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Speaker 4: I'm with you.
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Speaker 2: I think the discipline is what he will stick to,
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Speaker 2: and that's part of the reason he's turned over an
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Speaker 2: entire organization and won another Super Bowl. Right if and
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Speaker 2: when the time comes that actions, it's happened after the
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Speaker 2: tampering period, which is more important for John to address.
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Speaker 2: The if there's the vacancy of Ken Walker at starting
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Speaker 2: running back or your third wide receiver and kick returner,
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Speaker 2: like if Rashid.
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Speaker 6: Leaves, well, Bucky again, they think they have a plan
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Speaker 6: b If Rashid who he leaves, and that's Tory Horden
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Speaker 6: coming back from the shin injury. He was the kick
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Speaker 6: returner and deep threat wide receiver, speedy top take the
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Speaker 6: top off a defense wide receiver until he got hurt
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Speaker 6: that Washington game the first days of November. And it
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Speaker 6: was about the same time that the stroke of what
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Speaker 6: Schnyder said, with stroke of luck to get the Saints
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Speaker 6: to take their offer again. The reason people also are saying, well,
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Speaker 6: why did you trade two draft picks for a guy
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Speaker 6: you only rented for half a season if he leaves,
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Speaker 6: which I get. But again Schneider told us last week
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Speaker 6: at the combine, we have seen for years that we're
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Speaker 6: not keen on this draft, but the talent and depth
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Speaker 6: in this draft is not one we're going to invest in. Much,
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Speaker 6: and we made a calculated decision that we're going to
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Speaker 6: go less into this year's draft and more in the
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Speaker 6: next years. We want fewer picks this year. If it
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Speaker 6: means getting a guy who can help us get to
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Speaker 6: the super Bowl, we'll take that because we aren't diving
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Speaker 6: into this draft because we don't think this as good.
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Speaker 6: That's simplifying and paraphrasing what he said, But to the Seahawks,
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Speaker 6: that was worth it a fourth and a fifth round
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Speaker 6: pick to get a guy who returns the kick in
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Speaker 6: the biggest regular season game that again, they would not
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Speaker 6: have been the number one seed if Forshid Shaheed does
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Speaker 6: not return that kick when down sixteen with eight minutes
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Speaker 6: left and early December against the Rams, and if they're
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Speaker 6: not the number one seed, they got to win three
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Speaker 6: playoff games to even get to the Super Bowl. The
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Speaker 6: Rams would have been the number one seed and the
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Speaker 6: Seawks would up playing at LA for the UFC Championship Game,
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Speaker 6: so they may not even got to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 6: She eat and then she heat jump starts the route
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Speaker 6: that they would have beaten the forty nineers anyway. But
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Speaker 6: he was a huge second half MVP of that team
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Speaker 6: in to Seahawks. That's fourth, a fourth, and a fifth
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Speaker 6: round pick in a week draft. Having said that, Kenneth
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Speaker 6: Walker when he departs, that's a problem if he departs.
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Speaker 6: So it looks like he is because now Zak Charboney
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Speaker 6: situation which we talked about, because the injury is Kenny mcintize.
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Speaker 6: Somebody can rely he has yet to play a full
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Speaker 6: season because of his own injury problems. George Hallani cam
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Speaker 6: Meigan is going to rent him back former Rams. Number
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Speaker 6: one pick he got off of was a practice squad
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Speaker 6: this past year. I should say number one back on
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Speaker 6: number one pick. I mean, there is unproven all over
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Speaker 6: the place. But we've been here before with this team
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Speaker 6: and with John Schneider, and we were questioning Sam Darnold
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Speaker 6: and why do you bring him in as your quarterback
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Speaker 6: when four teams have given up on him? Again, they
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Speaker 6: seem to know what to do. And I'm pretty hesitant
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Speaker 6: to criticize John Schneider for standing on the sidelines here.
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Speaker 6: It's not like he's doing nothing. He's sticking to his
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Speaker 6: financial plan.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we haven't even started free agency yet, so
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm very very curious, very interested to see
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Speaker 1: how he will eventually piece this roster together even if
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Speaker 1: all six guys leave. Greg Mell's with us, our Seahawks
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Speaker 1: insider from the News Tribune can check out his coverage
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Speaker 1: at the Neewstribune dot com and follow him on x
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Speaker 1: at g bel Seattle. All right, so you do have
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Speaker 1: the six guys. Is there one where if the market
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Speaker 1: goes crazy and market value source on all six of
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Speaker 1: these guys, is there somebody? Is that Kobe Bryant perhaps
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Speaker 1: the guy that they'll go further than what we expect
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Speaker 1: on paper that he's worth. Is there one in the
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Speaker 1: group that they'll do that with.
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Speaker 6: It would appear that Bryant would be the one you
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Speaker 6: can resign because the safety market historically doesn't really get
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Speaker 6: a high in free agency unless your Peek Caroll loving
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Speaker 6: Jamal Adams and you just trade for the world for him.
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Speaker 6: But keep in mind this, the Seahawks don't have a
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Speaker 6: lot of trade trade chips for trading for guys like
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Speaker 6: Max Crosby and for Minnesota, and they don't probably have
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Speaker 6: a rich enough blood to go into the Trey Hendrickson sweepstakes.
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Speaker 6: And that's just not John Snyder's way. A first way,
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Speaker 6: first day free agent like the Bengals pass rusher.
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Speaker 4: So what's that leave you with.
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Speaker 6: We talked about the JSN and the Witherspoon reups that
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Speaker 6: will happen in the summer. You got to set aside
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Speaker 6: some money depending on how you structure those deals for
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Speaker 6: the cap numbers changing for this year. I think Bryant
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Speaker 6: and it plays a position safety that's not going to
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Speaker 6: be as nearly as expensive as Wool and wool command
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Speaker 6: and free agency at cornerback. So it would appear to
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Speaker 6: me that Kobe Bryant could be if they all the
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Speaker 6: others left, Bryant might be the one left standing boy
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Speaker 6: him off that they probably could have back at a
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Speaker 6: relatively cheap price given his relative lack of production and
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Speaker 6: numbers on the open market. But I'm not sure he
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Speaker 6: fits Mike McDonald's defense. He again, McDonald inherited him from
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Speaker 6: the previous regime, and I'm not convinced that they see
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Speaker 6: him as an every down linebacker set in an edge
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Speaker 6: and run fits that they want. We probably after two years,
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Speaker 6: maybe short sample size, but two years, including the best
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Speaker 6: defense in the league in the Super Bowl, we should
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Speaker 6: probably put some stock into Mike McDonald's ability to draft
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Speaker 6: and develop guys to fit his defensive scheme. I'm not
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Speaker 6: sure that they need to go pay money to re
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Speaker 6: up on boy Mafe in lieu of McDonald bringing in
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Speaker 6: somebody else to mold into his own way, in his
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Speaker 6: own system. I think that's where that one goes. So
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Speaker 6: if I had to at this point again, I thought
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Speaker 6: Shaheed was going to be a guy who they would
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Speaker 6: sign first, or he signed first. But I didn't expect
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Speaker 6: people to start talking about fourteen to eighteen million.
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Speaker 4: Dollars for him.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense for the Seahawks, who had Horton
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Speaker 6: coming back, see Horton as the wide receiver option to
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Speaker 6: pay eighteen million dollars when the rest of the league
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Speaker 6: is going to value him as a shehat, as a
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Speaker 6: wide receiver anarkick returning sex. Don't see him that way.
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Speaker 6: If you have to tin me down, I think Bryant
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Speaker 6: is likely to come back. But again, once they get
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Speaker 6: to market, all hell breaks loose. We see it every March.
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Speaker 6: Teams that have a ton of money ninety plus million
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Speaker 6: dollars in cap space for the Raiders, for instance, they
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Speaker 6: will spend money on guys that just should not get
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Speaker 6: that much. But because the solar cap is now over
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Speaker 6: three hundred million dollars because it'll go up again next year,
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Speaker 6: and teams know that they overspent in the first wave
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Speaker 6: of free agency. It's usually the bad teams. Look at
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Speaker 6: the teams that spend the most money early next week.
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Speaker 6: It's not going to be division champions buying large. It's
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Speaker 6: going to be bad teams that have cap space that
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Speaker 6: throw a ton of money to try to fix stuff,
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Speaker 6: and over time that doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: In the NFL, well, re upping guys is what they're
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Speaker 2: kind of in the business or not in the business,
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Speaker 2: are doing as of right now. What about trade wise,
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Speaker 2: heard anything about the Max Crosby interest.
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Speaker 6: What I'm hearing is the Seahawks don't have enough draft capital.
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Speaker 6: The Raiders want two first round picks and a starter,
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Speaker 6: and the Seahawks first.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 6: Even if the Raiders the seas will be willing to
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Speaker 6: trade their first round pick plus a player for Max Crosby,
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Speaker 6: why would the Raiders take the thirty second.
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Speaker 4: Pick of the first round.
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Speaker 6: That may sense Raiders can get any other higher pick
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Speaker 6: from any other team in Round one than to take
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Speaker 6: the thirty second pick from the Seahawks. To me, they
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Speaker 6: don't have draft Capitol When all these teams start leaking
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Speaker 6: out their agents leaking out that their team, their guys
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Speaker 6: are going to become available in the trade and they're
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Speaker 6: shopping so and so, I kind of turned my mind
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Speaker 6: off to the Seahawks being an option, because teams, when
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Speaker 6: they are putting a guy up for trade right before
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Speaker 6: a draft or in the spring, it's not for later on.
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Speaker 6: It's to get draft picks now or else they put
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Speaker 6: them up for trade later they want draft picks for
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six. I can't see the Seahawks with just
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Speaker 6: four picks over seven rounds and at the bottom of
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Speaker 6: each of the first three rounds, being much of a
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Speaker 6: trade seater unless you're willing to get rid of starters
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Speaker 6: trade starters with those picks, and they're already potentially losing
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Speaker 6: four starters in free agency, so why would they trade
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Speaker 6: the fifth. It just seems like the wrong year for
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Speaker 6: them to be trading before the draft. Now after the
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Speaker 6: drafts a different story. But teams aren't looking for twenty
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Speaker 6: seven and twenty eight draft picks when they're trying to
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Speaker 6: trade a guy before the twenty sixth draft.
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Speaker 1: Greg belis with us here on checking back in the
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Speaker 1: morning in our last minute with Shaheed and Ken Walker,
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Speaker 1: And sorry I should have this in front of me,
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Speaker 1: But do you know, off the top of your head,
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Speaker 1: like if you do get draft compensation for losing all
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Speaker 1: of these free agents? I mean, could by losing free agents,
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Speaker 1: could John make up for the lack of draft picks
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Speaker 1: that he has right now?
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Speaker 6: Not this year because comp picks count next year.
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Speaker 4: Got it?
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Speaker 6: And then the other thing is it also what affects
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Speaker 6: draft crop formula the number of factors how much the
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Speaker 6: guy signs for an unrestricted free agency, more importantly, how
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Speaker 6: many free agents you sign back and return as a team.
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Speaker 6: So in rough terms, if they lose five guys and
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Speaker 6: sign three unrestricted free agents, that's a net comp gain
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Speaker 6: of plus two. But those compicks don't happen till the
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Speaker 6: year after all those transactions, which is a twenty seven draft.
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Speaker 6: If the Seahawks lose five and gain five and sign
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Speaker 6: five and then you net of zero, whether it's a
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Speaker 6: third or fourth round comp pick comes into how much
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Speaker 6: For instance, Rik Wooland signs for. If he signs for
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Speaker 6: among the top percentage of the cornerbacks in the league,
18:42
Speaker 6: it becomes a third round pick. If he signs for less,
18:44
Speaker 6: it becomes a fourth round pick, so on. So the
18:47
Speaker 6: formula isn't simply you lose guys, you get picks back.
18:50
Speaker 6: It's much more complicated than that. But there are years
18:53
Speaker 6: that McDonald or that Snyder does play that game to
18:57
Speaker 6: get additional picks. It's just not going to help him
18:59
Speaker 6: this year.
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Speaker 1: Okay, got it, all right, Greg, great stuff, We appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We'll talk to you again tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday.
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Speaker 6: Thanks guys.
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20:04
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20:07
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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock, plus Beat Bucky at nine o'clock, and
20:12
Speaker 1: so much more on today's radio program. But I do
20:15
Speaker 1: have to discuss this topic here today. Sadly, yesterday I
20:20
Speaker 1: probably received more texts from friends and about, you know,
20:27
Speaker 1: wishing me, you know, are you okay, than I would
20:31
Speaker 1: have had I lost a family member. But I've been
20:34
Speaker 1: doing the Lou Holtz impersonation for years, so my friends
20:39
Speaker 1: reached out a lot of them.
20:40
Speaker 4: Yesterday.
20:41
Speaker 1: I woke up from my nap to like several texts
20:45
Speaker 1: out there, like you all right, even though I've never
20:49
Speaker 1: met the guy personally. Lou Holtz passed away yesterday at
20:53
Speaker 1: the age of eighty nine. And he passes away having
20:55
Speaker 1: lived a full life and having made his mark in
20:57
Speaker 1: the world, And so I think he's somebody to to
21:00
Speaker 1: celebrate today and laugh about and talk about his great
21:04
Speaker 1: career versus it being necessarily a sad story. Certainly it
21:08
Speaker 1: is for Skip and the Holtz family but I think
21:12
Speaker 1: it's a great opportunity to remember Lou, and he really was.
21:17
Speaker 1: He's kind of a part of my life. I've been
21:19
Speaker 1: doing that impersonation for a number of years, but it
21:23
Speaker 1: wasn't mine to begin with. I worked with a guy
21:25
Speaker 1: by the name of Rob Fisher, uh. And Rob Fisher
21:28
Speaker 1: did this dead on Lou Holtz, and I'd sometimes you
21:32
Speaker 1: don't know how somebody does an impersonation, even if you
21:35
Speaker 1: can do them a little bit, until you hear somebody
21:37
Speaker 1: else do them. And so Rob introduces it, I'm like,
21:42
Speaker 1: how did you pick up on that? And so we
21:44
Speaker 1: ended up doing this segment called Lou's Literary Corner, uh.
21:48
Speaker 1: And what he would he It would be Lou Holtz
21:51
Speaker 1: and he would read a classic story. I'd write the
21:54
Speaker 1: script and then Rob would do the voice. I'd write
21:58
Speaker 1: the script, yeah, and so it would be a classic novel,
22:01
Speaker 1: and then Lou would change the words to fit Notre
22:06
Speaker 1: Dame football.
22:07
Speaker 8: So you know, it was like, did they ever vict
22:10
Speaker 8: There you goes the hunchback of Notre Dame and you
22:16
Speaker 8: know Quaji Moto was a bell rigger with a humbudded
22:22
Speaker 8: back at Quaji Moto. What people didn't realize that their
22:27
Speaker 8: father boat cap a newt Rockney what was entailed in
22:30
Speaker 8: this instead of an athlete? And they ran a four
22:33
Speaker 8: to forty and Jake foot three two hundred and twenty
22:37
Speaker 8: five pounds.
22:38
Speaker 1: He was part of the four horsemen quasi moto.
22:41
Speaker 8: They had one quarter back, one half back, one full back,
22:44
Speaker 8: and one hunchback, the four horsemen of note there day.
22:49
Speaker 1: But it all started with a great quaji mooto. So
22:54
Speaker 1: that's how it started. That was like Lou's literary corner
22:58
Speaker 1: back in the day. And then Rob left me, like
23:02
Speaker 1: left the station and went on He's a sideline reporter
23:05
Speaker 1: now for the Memphis Grizzlies, and I like, man, there's
23:10
Speaker 1: still some material here, and so I started doing the voice,
23:14
Speaker 1: and turns out I picked up on it pretty well.
23:16
Speaker 1: And so I still don't think I do it as
23:17
Speaker 1: well as Rob Fisher, but I do it all right one.
23:20
Speaker 1: So he's just been a part of like my fabric
23:22
Speaker 1: throughout my career. I even did him back when I
23:25
Speaker 1: did comedy radio for an alternative radio station. I did
23:29
Speaker 1: a morning Zoo show and Lou Altz was so famous
23:33
Speaker 1: that I could do that impersonation and I wouldn't lose
23:36
Speaker 1: my audience. I wouldn't lose the teenagers who tuned into
23:39
Speaker 1: Hear Third Eyed Blind. They stayed with me and laughed.
23:44
Speaker 1: I even did him as a character once upon a
23:46
Speaker 1: time at that station, And so Lou's just always been,
23:50
Speaker 1: you know, kind of part of my career and for that,
23:54
Speaker 1: I love him. Never met him before might be a
23:57
Speaker 1: jerk for all I know, but I've always kind of
24:00
Speaker 1: held Lou near and dear to my heart, and so
24:03
Speaker 1: it was a sad day.
24:04
Speaker 4: For me yesterday.
24:05
Speaker 1: It would be sadder if I lost you know, let's
24:08
Speaker 1: say my parents. But nonetheless, I'm not sure I'll get
24:12
Speaker 1: as many texts making sure I'm okay from buddies after
24:17
Speaker 1: someone's loss left me then I will. Lou Holtz. So thanks, Lou.
24:22
Speaker 1: Sorry so many of us, you know, made fun of
24:24
Speaker 1: your lisp for twenty five years of your career, but yeah,
24:29
Speaker 1: you are awesome and hilarious and I love doing that
24:34
Speaker 1: voice impersonation my entire career.
24:36
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, for what it's worth, I don't
24:39
Speaker 2: think even in his passing, you know, sad day for
24:42
Speaker 2: anybody that does know him, and in I am the
24:45
Speaker 2: Notre Dame family most certainly there's a whole bunch of
24:48
Speaker 2: men that were boys when they came upon Lou Holtz,
24:51
Speaker 2: and he, even with his lisp, you know, got him
24:54
Speaker 2: pointed in the right direction and understanding the importance.
24:57
Speaker 8: Of Okay, Jorie game to be a scare little boy,
25:02
Speaker 8: five foot nine ninety six pounds, soaking wet, and I
25:05
Speaker 8: turned him into it, all American and one of the
25:08
Speaker 8: greatest football players God has ever blessed.
25:12
Speaker 4: If he's listening right now, he's like, that's true. It's true.
25:15
Speaker 4: Happened thanks to coach.
25:17
Speaker 1: Five nine ninety six pounds. Yeah, to the greatest football players.
25:20
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, all Americans.
25:22
Speaker 3: Rah.
25:22
Speaker 1: He missed mail, but was bored with one leg.
25:25
Speaker 8: He got the noted game, and I taught him how
25:28
Speaker 8: to grow a second one, and he ended up being
25:30
Speaker 8: the fastest player God has ever put on a football field.
25:34
Speaker 1: Thank you Lord, save you, Jesus Christ.
25:36
Speaker 4: Thank you.
25:37
Speaker 1: Rah.
25:37
Speaker 2: He missed mail, Well, thank you coach for teaching me
25:41
Speaker 2: how to grow a second leg.
25:43
Speaker 1: I mean, well, got some serious coach to coach.
25:46
Speaker 8: You get her coach teaching me that you're not gonna
25:48
Speaker 8: get that at Florida or James Madison.
25:51
Speaker 1: I can share you of that.
25:53
Speaker 3: I couldn't assure you as well that Florida nor James
25:55
Speaker 3: Madison will help you grow a leg.
25:57
Speaker 2: No, no, they don't bring that to the table. Can't
25:59
Speaker 2: you and say that there's the county reports or they're
26:01
Speaker 2: recruiting visits for sure.
26:03
Speaker 8: Well, people don't realize about our rivalry with Miambi is
26:07
Speaker 8: that every time we played them, Go back and look
26:10
Speaker 8: at the film, we only put nine guys out on
26:12
Speaker 8: the field on.
26:13
Speaker 1: Both offense and defense. Get to prove our ship beery
26:16
Speaker 1: or ady, you know. And I don't like him Dame
26:20
Speaker 1: very much.
26:21
Speaker 3: But all of these things that I didn't know before
26:24
Speaker 3: are making me grow a new respect.
26:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had all that disdain for Notre Dame, but
26:29
Speaker 2: you didn't have it for lou hol You did.
26:31
Speaker 3: It wasn't him, Well, I mean I did when he
26:34
Speaker 3: was the I didn't like. I didn't dislike him as
26:35
Speaker 3: much as I disliked Charlie Weiss. Yeah, but you know
26:40
Speaker 3: you're a Notre Dame coach.
26:41
Speaker 1: I didn't you know.
26:42
Speaker 3: It's not that I that I have disdain for you.
26:44
Speaker 3: It's just that you're the coach of Notre Dame, and
26:46
Speaker 3: I don't like Notre Dame once. He was not the
26:47
Speaker 3: coach of Notre Dame anymore. He's great human being.
26:50
Speaker 1: Uh well, I don't know. I mean, he was the
26:52
Speaker 1: guy that famous for grabbing face masks, but he's the
26:55
Speaker 1: smallest guy to ever do it. I mean, usually coaches
26:59
Speaker 1: that do that sort of thing, you probably wouldn't tussle
27:02
Speaker 1: with them. Everybody on Notre Day's team could have kicked
27:06
Speaker 1: lou Holtz's ass, and yet he still got in the
27:09
Speaker 1: faces more so than any other coach probably that I
27:12
Speaker 1: can remember, you know, grabbing face mask, chewing people out,
27:16
Speaker 1: calling them everything but a child of God. I mean,
27:19
Speaker 1: that was that was Lou Oltz's style, and it worked
27:22
Speaker 1: to him. He was a champion and he was really
27:26
Speaker 1: for a while there the face of college football.
27:28
Speaker 4: Yah.
27:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think you know, there was
27:33
Speaker 2: a lot of coaches back in the day that grab
27:35
Speaker 2: face masks, and it was a matter of you're going
27:38
Speaker 2: to go about your business the right way because I
27:40
Speaker 2: know that it's important for our team, but it's also
27:43
Speaker 2: important for you as an individual to do what you
27:47
Speaker 2: need to do to make the day a positive versus
27:50
Speaker 2: a net negative. And I think that, I mean, there's
27:54
Speaker 2: still is coaches out there that are doing the good work,
27:57
Speaker 2: that are going out there with the impression or the
27:59
Speaker 2: the the objective to turn young boys into men. And
28:04
Speaker 2: you do it through doing it through the active coaching
28:07
Speaker 2: aspect of coaching, of teaching them a sport. But the
28:12
Speaker 2: way in which the old school coaches did it, obviously, that's.
28:14
Speaker 4: A dying breed.
28:15
Speaker 2: You can't just do it that way. You can't do
28:17
Speaker 2: it that way anymore. The athletes aren't going to handle it.
28:20
Speaker 2: The world doesn't like things like grabbing face masks and
28:25
Speaker 2: yelling at guys the way that they used to. But
28:27
Speaker 2: I mean, I, for one, I blossomed in that type
28:30
Speaker 2: of environment. And so whenever there's an old school coach
28:33
Speaker 2: like that that passes on, it's kind of one of
28:35
Speaker 2: those that it makes me think about Ed Chef, and
28:37
Speaker 2: it makes me think about that breed of coach, which
28:40
Speaker 2: there's going to come a point in time soon that.
28:43
Speaker 4: We're not going to have those guys anymore. They're going
28:45
Speaker 4: to be history.
28:46
Speaker 3: But he is, yeah, yeah, And he just seemed, even
28:50
Speaker 3: when he was done with coaching, to be such an
28:52
Speaker 3: important still an important part of college football and how
28:55
Speaker 3: it has been shaped.
28:56
Speaker 1: And I just yeah, a lot of respect for him.
28:59
Speaker 1: Never shyinion turned it into a long broadcasting career. He
29:03
Speaker 1: kind of was, you know, had you had game day,
29:06
Speaker 1: but he and Mark May and Rhys Davis, you know
29:09
Speaker 1: you stayed up to watch the postgame show with those
29:12
Speaker 1: guys to see who they gave sticker helmets to. Yeah,
29:16
Speaker 1: you know, and it was always a Notre Dame player,
29:18
Speaker 1: as I recall. But yeah, Lou Altz left us yesterday.
29:23
Speaker 1: If you've never seen the Catholics Versus Convicts thirty for
29:27
Speaker 1: thirty documentary, might be worth something to take a couple
29:30
Speaker 1: hours to watch. It's fantastic. My favorite part of it
29:34
Speaker 1: was when Lou Holtz gave his speech before the big
29:36
Speaker 1: Miami game. He talked about, like, you know, kicking their
29:41
Speaker 1: ass and and then when the game's over, we're going
29:43
Speaker 1: to kick their ass again, as if to suggest that
29:46
Speaker 1: we're going to fight them. And then before they break
29:48
Speaker 1: the huddle, he's like, but Jimmie Johnson dash for me
29:55
Speaker 1: and the team like ran through the walls, like tore
29:58
Speaker 1: down the walls to get onto the field that day.
30:01
Speaker 1: So God bless you rest in peace. Coming up next
30:05
Speaker 1: on the radio program, a question that only Bucky can
30:08
Speaker 1: answer out of the three of us in terms of
30:11
Speaker 1: the future of Kyler Murray. Sports Radio ninety three point
30:14
Speaker 1: three kjrfmright coming up, we'll play another round of check
30:20
Speaker 1: yes or No at eight o'clock and beat Bucky Today.
30:22
Speaker 1: Returns at nine o'clock Today. A lot more to discuss
30:26
Speaker 1: from the Mariners, from Seahawks free agency, and more. But yeah,
30:30
Speaker 1: I do have a question that kind of crosses over
30:33
Speaker 1: sports here this morning, there was a little bit of
30:36
Speaker 1: a suggestion made out there that's Kyler Murray's next football team,
30:41
Speaker 1: now that we know he's leaving the Cardinals won't be
30:44
Speaker 1: the you know, the call the Raiders, or the the
30:49
Speaker 1: Viking Vikings, or even the Giants. It's not going to
30:54
Speaker 1: be any of those teams his next professional sports team
30:57
Speaker 1: that he could suit up for. The A's they still
31:03
Speaker 1: own his rights as a former first round pick, and
31:09
Speaker 1: if he might decide at this stage, seven years into
31:13
Speaker 1: his professional career, still tucked inside his twenties, that if
31:17
Speaker 1: he wanted to play baseball again, then he might just
31:21
Speaker 1: be young enough that the A's would be open to
31:24
Speaker 1: a conversation about it. And I think you're the only
31:27
Speaker 1: person at our Stationia that could answer this. Is that
31:31
Speaker 1: even a possibility seven years into a football career. I mean,
31:35
Speaker 1: he does have a baseball background. That's not like Michael
31:37
Speaker 1: Jordan hadn't played since high school. He played at an
31:39
Speaker 1: All American level in college at Oklahoma, was a first
31:43
Speaker 1: round pick. But he's been away from the game for
31:45
Speaker 1: seven years. Is there any chance that he could jump
31:49
Speaker 1: back to baseball and make it to the majors before
31:52
Speaker 1: his time expired?
31:54
Speaker 6: Uh?
31:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean i'd say he could.
31:57
Speaker 1: I thought the answer was going to be yeah. I mean,
32:01
Speaker 1: you know he's tiny, right yeah, Well, he had a
32:03
Speaker 1: little bit of pop. Oh he can play.
32:05
Speaker 4: I mean he can play.
32:06
Speaker 2: You can run it down center fielder. I mean he's
32:09
Speaker 2: got a good enough arm. I'm sure throw football. He's
32:13
Speaker 2: gonna be able to throw the baseball fairly. Well, I mean,
32:16
Speaker 2: I I yet I think he could. Now it's everything
32:20
Speaker 2: is relative. Like you know, I've talked to people before
32:23
Speaker 2: like I can't imagine hitting Hunterm on our fastball. Well
32:25
Speaker 2: I couldn't either when I was in high school, right,
32:28
Speaker 2: I mean, when was in high school, somebody through ninety one.
32:30
Speaker 2: I was like, it's gonna hurt when it hits my bat.
32:34
Speaker 2: You know, It's like and then by the time I
32:36
Speaker 2: got to the big leagues, like you had to kind
32:38
Speaker 2: of sit back on ninety three. You're like, stay back,
32:41
Speaker 2: don't be in a hurry, you know, don't don't jump
32:44
Speaker 2: out there. It's not coming in there that fast. Where
32:46
Speaker 2: So for him to go from college now he played
32:49
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma and and was successful there, it's he's capable
32:54
Speaker 2: of playing against really high caliber but having not done
32:59
Speaker 2: it for seven years. I tell you guys all the time,
33:01
Speaker 2: like what it feels like your first little bit of
33:03
Speaker 2: getting the spring training after you've taken like three months off,
33:07
Speaker 2: and it feels like the game's faster. Seven years is
33:10
Speaker 2: going to take you a long It's going to take
33:12
Speaker 2: you longer to get back into the groove of things.
33:14
Speaker 2: But I don't think it would be outside of the
33:16
Speaker 2: realm of possibilities of him to reconnect to it and
33:21
Speaker 2: then catch up to what the speed of the game
33:23
Speaker 2: is going to be like.
33:24
Speaker 4: To get to the big leagues is a whole different
33:27
Speaker 4: ball of wax. So it's like, to me, it's there's two.
33:30
Speaker 1: Sure he wouldn't make the jump just so he could
33:32
Speaker 1: play at Modesta.
33:33
Speaker 4: Well, he would have to play a little bit of
33:35
Speaker 4: time at Modesta.
33:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Yet I'm saying that he's not making
33:38
Speaker 1: the jump if he doesn't think, yeah, I'm going to
33:40
Speaker 1: be a major leaguer in a couple of years.
33:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he I think that he will think that
33:45
Speaker 2: he's capable of making it. Yeah, and yet whether or
33:48
Speaker 2: not he is is going to come down to the
33:51
Speaker 2: work part of it. He might that a loop attitude
33:53
Speaker 2: that he has might be what makes him a good
33:56
Speaker 2: baseball player, because there's a part of I don't care
34:00
Speaker 2: about the fact that I screwed up or that I
34:02
Speaker 2: got out that can help some players. I played with
34:05
Speaker 2: some guys that I couldn't stand how well whatever, but
34:08
Speaker 2: that helped. That's the way they had to play. The
34:10
Speaker 2: intensity level was turned up to about a four, and
34:14
Speaker 2: maybe that's how he plays. I don't know if you
34:15
Speaker 2: can play quarterback in that position. It appears as if
34:18
Speaker 2: you can't. It turned up to that, to that dial,
34:21
Speaker 2: the dial turned up to that, but basically the position. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
34:25
Speaker 2: So I mean I think that he would. I it's
34:28
Speaker 2: possible that he could grow and become a big leagu guy.
34:32
Speaker 2: I think that he has a skill set speed's not
34:34
Speaker 2: gonna slump. He had a little bit of pop. He's
34:37
Speaker 2: not to the age where it's like, guy.
34:38
Speaker 4: He's over the hill.
34:39
Speaker 1: We can be one of those if at twenty that's
34:42
Speaker 1: when I got to the.
34:42
Speaker 2: Big leagues, was twenty seven, almost turning twenty eight during
34:46
Speaker 2: my time there, So he could say, you know what,
34:49
Speaker 2: I'm going to be making all this money instead of
34:51
Speaker 2: going and playing basically a pro rated minimum for some
34:53
Speaker 2: other team. You know what, I'm good with it. I'm
34:55
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and just keep collecting my millions of
34:58
Speaker 2: dollars and go give it a year and see how
35:01
Speaker 2: far it can come in a year, because they're not
35:03
Speaker 2: going to be saying, all right, we expect you to
35:05
Speaker 2: put in three four years before you get to the
35:07
Speaker 2: big leagues.
35:08
Speaker 4: The A's aren't gonna do no.
35:09
Speaker 2: They're gonna say, hey, we're gonna send you to a
35:11
Speaker 2: ball for a couple of weeks and then we want
35:13
Speaker 2: you to be in Double A by the end of
35:14
Speaker 2: this year.
35:15
Speaker 4: We want you to be in Triple A.
35:16
Speaker 2: Let's see what can happen here and maybe next year
35:19
Speaker 2: fighting for a spot on a team.
35:20
Speaker 1: So I think Russell Wilson still thinks he could play
35:22
Speaker 1: major League baseball. Yeah, and he wasn't as good a
35:25
Speaker 1: baseball player, and as what Kyler Murray was at the
35:29
Speaker 1: college level. And uh and Russell's you know, thirty seven.
35:33
Speaker 1: So here's Kyler Murray still twenty eight years old. I mean,
35:36
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would I would have thought the
35:38
Speaker 1: answer would have been a hell no from you. But
35:41
Speaker 1: maybe he'll think about it. I mean, that's quite a legacy.
35:44
Speaker 1: Played seven four years in the NFL, made a boatload
35:46
Speaker 1: of money. Cardinals paid me a lot of money just
35:48
Speaker 1: to leave. And then I took that and went and
35:51
Speaker 1: played baseball for the A's and and and got it.
35:56
Speaker 1: Got to the majors. Yeah, maybe I'll never be a star,
35:59
Speaker 1: but I got the majors.
36:01
Speaker 8: Sweet rankings, little sweet, little sweet the next pime time, little.
36:10
Speaker 1: Sweet taking ground balls at second A little sweet athlete.
36:16
Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll make it to the show. Now,
36:18
Speaker 2: you got some work to put in, and I don't
36:20
Speaker 2: know if he I don't know. He just doesn't seem
36:22
Speaker 2: like the type is going to do that. But he
36:24
Speaker 2: got he has the athleticism. He can They can play
36:26
Speaker 2: video games in baseball two on the side in your
36:29
Speaker 2: dorm room, sweetest, you don't have as many plays to memorize.
36:34
Speaker 4: That's right.
36:35
Speaker 1: You can. You can play video games as a baseball
36:37
Speaker 1: player just as easily as you can as.
36:39
Speaker 4: A true so true.
36:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he wants to do. You know, a
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Speaker 1: little sweets.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Sister's name precious really and that's that's something. Yeah, like
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Speaker 1: you're you know, yeah, precious, yeah, little sweet and precious,
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Speaker 1: precious sweet. That's some great naming by the Murrays.
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Speaker 6: All right.
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